The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Katie Moyer On Empowering Women, Confidence & Smart Beauty Choices

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

#774: Join Lauryn as she sits down with Katie Moyer – a professional makeup artist with over 20 years of experience working with celebrities & top brands. With her extensive knowledge in the beauty & skincare industry, Katie shares insider insights on navigating the ever-changing world of aesthetics. In this episode, Katie gets real about the world of plastic surgery and aesthetic procedures, discusses the risks of overdoing cosmetic enhancements, & emphasizes the importance of adapting our personal style & aesthetics as we age.   To connect with Katie Moyer click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697)   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   This episode is sponsored by Cymbiotika   Head over to Cymbiotika.com right now for 25% off + Free Shipping sitewide.   This episode is sponsored by Caraway   Visit carawayhome.com/himandher10 to take advantage of this limited-time offer for up to 20% off your next purchase.   This episode is sponsored by Rhoback   Use the code SKINNY on Rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first order through the end of this week.   This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp   Visit BetterHelp.com/SKINNY today to get 10% off your first month.   This episode is sponsored by First Aid Beauty   Go now to FirstAidBeauty.com/SKINNY and use our promo code SKINNY to get 20% off.    This episode is sponsored by MASA   Visit masachips.com/discount/SKINNY for 20% off your first-order with code SKINNY.   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Aha! What I've noticed is most women don't want to stand out. They actually want to fit in. I think that when women do that, they're stealing other people's fashion or other people's style because they want to fit in. But it's not for them. It doesn't work for them. You can fit in better by knowing your own personal style and colors and makeup choices. Not every influencer that's teaching you how to do makeup knows you. They're not looking at you. And so my goal is to

empower you to be your own artist, to make these decisions, to ask those questions like, is this serving me? One thing I like to personally bring to this show is really real conversations. And sometimes I like to kick Michael off for those because this is a real conversation that I have had behind the scenes multiple times and Katie and I are bringing it onto the show. You guys liked Katie so much when she came on the first time. She talked all about her weight loss journey. She talked about plastic surgery openly. She also was just really honest and real about her life and the challenges that she's had. So I wanted to bring her back on the show so I could get very niche with her. I wanted to go in depth about insider insights on plastic surgery, aesthetics, procedures, overdoing cosmetic surgery. And in this episode without Michael,

we did all of these things. If you are a true skinny confidential OG, you're going to like this episode. With that, Katie Moyer, a professional makeup artist with a huge ass Instagram following and a very unique perspective. Welcome back to the show. This is the skinny confidential him and her. Okay, so we were talking off air. Keep going with what you're saying. I'll just let you go off. You know, people always want to know, like, what are the rich and famous doing? Because anytime somebody sees it before and after, they're like, the common phrase is, well, I'm not ugly, I'm just poor. You've heard that. And listen, I know a lot of rich people that no one's copying their aesthetic. And the difference is, is, I mean, money plays a small part, but celebrities are typically

the people in the spotlight that, that you're showing your injector, you're showing your makeup artist, like, please replicate this. And the reason being is because rich people just have yes men around them and famous people and celebrities, their own personal opinion is not important. It's not valid. They're a brand. So they have a team of people really dictating their appearance. So you're saying like if someone is 50 years old and they're like a celebrity and they say i'm gonna get a facelift there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen absolutely radically real with them whereas someone who maybe has a lot of

money behind the scenes does has guest men all around them yeah Yeah. So, so many people, when you're a celebrity, you are bigger than yourself. You're a brand. Typically, you're kind of owned by public opinion. And so you surround yourself with experts that are not looking out for typically your own best interests. I mean, we can debate whether or not that's mentally healthy, but the reality is they're going, that's not serving you. That doesn't look good. That's not what the public wants. That's not what's trending because here, here it is. The average woman, they get stuck in the decade or the era that they think that they're the hottest. I think we kind of talked about this last time. They're stuck there. And when you're a celebrity, there's people going,

okay, it's time to move on. This is not working. But when you're rich, everybody's like that platinum bouffant looks amazing. You're so right. You're so right about what you're saying. And I think that real good cosmetic work is when you look like a younger version of yourself. Right. That's the key. You don't want to look, I mean, when I'm 50 and I go in for my facelift. Yeah. Don't worry, I'll blog it.

50, 45. 42. No, I'm just kidding. Like a love story. 39, no. But when I go in for my facelift, I think that that's the goal is it's not to look like someone different or it's not to look like super pulled or severe severe is a big one right and but what happens is and this is human nature or just like the natural course of action is you get like you

know everybody's talking about blush blind or all those things. You get plastic surgery blind. What is blush blind? Blush blind. It's like a trend right now where these girls are over blushing and they they don't realize they have so much on. I don't die for a lot of blush in general. I think a whisper of it. Just a whisper. Just a flush. A flick of a blush. Yeah. And when it's too blushy, I think it brings out the whites. I think it brings out the reds of the eyes and the teeth. Yes. No, you're absolutely right.

There's a point. There's always a point where instead of enhancing, it's distracting. Right. Or even worse, you know, harmful to your overall aesthetic. What is plastic surgery blindness? I think when people stop seeing, and this is really common with injectables, it's how you get pillow face. A little is good and then a lot must be better. And all of these things have limitations. And I think when you are chasing perfection and you are not willing to even remotely look your age it starts to become

detrimental because all of these things they're they're they can only do so much and when used in moderation and like holistically it can be so so good I think that's what I like about your content is what you essentially teach women to do on your platform to me is it's not just hair makeup style it's that you teach them how to have these things in a harmonious way that looks balanced do you know what I mean yeah yeah, no, that's that's 100 percent my thing. And I think that that's why celebrities become this like idolized, you know. Whatever, like that's who people are looking at. Right. Because there's a team of people that keep you right. And it's it's they're not just telling them what they want to do.

That's like, no, that's keeping them in harmony right and it's it's they're not just telling them what they want to do that's like no that's too much and also here's the thing that celebrities are really good at they don't take the shortcuts they will do the surgery if surgery is going to be the quickest way for the most natural aesthetic and i think that's what we're seeing right now if you really want you know i see all these people being like she got, you know, Botox here and filler here. I'm like, no, she just got a facelift. A hundred percent. And I think that people are missing the extremes that people are actually going to. And I think these conversations are appropriate and they're needed because people aren't realizing the extremes people are going to. A hundred percent. And you can get completely like demolished online when you're saying, oh, you've done so much. And I'm like, welcome to behind the curtain.

They're all doing so much. But when you don't take the shortcut and you just you do the thing that feels extreme, you get that supernatural aesthetic and there's no shortcuts. But it, you know, to a lot of people, it still is the extreme because surgery feels like the last resort, but it shouldn't be. I think that needs to be talked about more is the fact that if you are going to spend thousands and thousands of dollars filling your face all the time, blocking your lymphatic system over and over and over with all different kinds of needles from all different kinds of doctors, I think that if you're going

to do that, that's fine. But you also should have the surgery conversation out in the open. Do you know what I mean? Like you just should should know i think what it is is like we're only seeing the celebrities nails in their toolbox we're not seeing the hammer and the wrench we ought to see the full picture to then make a decision based upon what you want to do or how much money you want to spend i mean that's that's literally my goal is to tell people take it or leave it right like this may offend you that I've had this surgery and that surgery and I've done this, but my goal is that you feel like you've gotten the full picture and then you decide what's appropriate. Everybody has a line that's like, that's too much for some people it's coloring their grays and that's it. That's enough. I don't think it's fair for

somebody else to draw that line for another person. You know, that's doesn't seem right. But I do feel like if you get the entire picture and you're like, hey, these are all the things that I did, that might be too much for you. But if you're looking at that and you're thinking, OK, that was just Botox that gave me that. And I should look like this at 45 years old. And why don't I look like this? Right. Just know what's actually going on behind the scenes. That's why I think your content is so attractive because you do show behind the scenes

and you do show the full picture. What are things that you've put out there that people just can't believe that you're putting out there? I think that the tummy tuck really bothered a lot of people. Really? I don't think it's weird to me because the tummy tuck just recently, even when, you know, I'm candid about it. Then they say, well, that's how she got, you know, her fit physique, which to me, I'm like, you can't. You're damned if you do,

you damned if you don't, right? Like it doesn't. I apparently lost 60 pounds because I got air sculpted in my arms. A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, and it's, it's a video of me saying like, yes. And I got a tummy tuck. Yes. And, and then footage showing me being an athlete, like, I'm like the tummy tuck didn't give me the skill to do double unders. It's a little umph for, for me. And I don't care who, like in what, I don't care what order you do, whatever you want to do to make yourself feel better. For me, it was the end point. I felt very strongly about not doing it prior to getting to the end. That was for me.

Some people need it before they get to the end to help them in that last step. But for me, that was my goal is I just want this to be the end of my journey. Why do you think people care? I'm so interested in this because if you tell me that you want to cut your hair off, get a lower facelift, tighten your neck, tighten your stomach, I'm like, that's your prerogative. You do you. Like, I just I think that that's interesting to look at the human nature of why anyone cares what people are doing. Yeah, I think it feels threatening when you see something that feels unattainable. And it boils down to when you're happy with yourself, you can be happy for someone else. And when you're miserable, it just feels like, I mean, my mom always said,

misery loves company. And I think that the happier that I am with myself, the happier I can be for others. I'm never going to be six feet tall. I show off my midriff because my legs aren't it. But I love a great pair of legs. Like, I'm like, oh my God, I would never wear pants if I had those legs. Where do you think that your self-esteem and confidence comes from? Because even like when you came in here, like you allude confidence, like, and I think that you also have a great confidence because you've told me all these people that you've worked on doing makeup. You like to make other people feel confident. Where does that come from?

It's funny that you asked that. When I was a kid, I hated playing pretend because it wasn't real. And so I would go over to my girlfriend's house and they would be like, okay, you're the stepsister. And all of these things, or they would create scenarios. And I remember just like not being happy

with playing pretend. I totally feel that. You do? And I can't talk about dreams. with playing pretend I totally feel that you do and I can't talk about dreams go on I can't I can't talk about dreams dream I'm like oh my god pass the ketchup like I gotta get out of here because the dream is fake we're soul sisters I can't it's my pet peeve ask this is amazing I've never heard anybody with this. I can't. I'm like squeezing like when my kids say, wait till your kids tell you. Oh. And you're just like, oh, I hate it.

You're like rubbing through it, like pinching your nail in your head. Oh my gosh, I'm like squeezing. I hate when people tell me their dreams. Yeah, but I get the pretend thing going. So I think I would really like, I like to say draw a circle around myself and fix what's in it.

Okay. And anytime I felt like some kind of way over someone else's success or someone else's achievements, I would be like, that is, that has nothing to do with me. Okay. So Katie, what do you have to do to get to where you need to be so that that is no longer either threatening or enticing or whatever. And so I always just kind of circle back to what I can control. And I mean, I do think that it benefits me. And plus, I just have, I think I just have a nature where

I love making women feel good about themselves. And that's really important to me. I don't know. I just think, I just feel like we should all, we should all be doing that important to me. I don't know. I just think, I just feel like we should all, we should all be doing that for each other. I don't know. Like, I don't know why there's so many haters. I think that there's a projection thing going on. Yeah. If you look at it as a whole, but I think that you're so right about drawing a circle around yourself and figuring out what you can do,

little habits, little things to make your life better, because the more confident you are in yourself, the better you feel towards others. It's pretty simple. It really is. And it's like, I think anytime you feel the need to lash out or put someone else down or demean their hard work, you have to stop or you should stop and just have some self-confrontation of saying like, this is about me. That person's just living their life. It's wild. There's this story about this actor that just came to Hollywood and he saw this huge poster of Tom Cruise on Hollywood Boulevard. And Cruise was on like 10 different billboards for 10 different movies and he was getting really really jealous as he drove down Hollywood Boulevard he had just arrived there to be an actor and he was getting more jealous and more jealous as each

billboard went on and then towards the end he realized wait Tom Cruise is opening up space in the acting industry for there to be more movies for guys like me. Right. And it's so true. If you look at, like say like I'm jealous, let's say of an influencer. Yeah.

That influencer has opened doors that maybe wouldn't have existed for me. Does that make sense? No, it's really good. It's opening up space and energy for other things to be cultivated. And I think that that's why I'm so transparent about the things that I've done. Yeah.

Because I want to say like, this is accessible to you. I mean, it might be. And I've had a ton of conversation with women that talk about the financial aspect of it. And I'm like, listen, there were times where no nails, hair wasn't done, but I was getting facials and lasers at birthdays, Christmas. I'm like, that's what I want. What's worth it? You think facials, lasers? Oh, a hundred percent. If you're on a budget, if you are on a budget, you need to start with skin. Okay. Anything that has to start with skin. Okay. Anything that has to do with skin. And another thing, if you're in your 20s and you're listening to this and people are talking

about preventative Botox, this is a hot take. Okay. But I do not believe in preventative Botox. Go off. Okay. I think that even if you were to start Botox at 38, if you were to start Botox at 38, chances are there are no deep static lines that wouldn't be corrected on the first dose of Botox.

Even if you were to start, you know, 18 years after you were 20. Now, some people will have some static lines, but it's these women in their late 40s, 50s, 60s that start Botox that they are not able to erase some of those static lines. But for the majority of women, if you go in at 40 for your first time, that neurotoxin will erase those lines. It will paralyze the muscle. And if you've been taking care of your skin for those last 18 years or whatever, that has long-term benefits. If you're doing something from the time that you're 20 to you're 35 consistently with skincare, that will carry

you into your 60s. I have a hot take to add to that. I think it is so underestimated how manipulating the fascia in your face and massaging your face can change your structure and your wrinkles. I cannot believe how much just massaging and stimulating and working the muscle can change what you don't like. So, for instance, if you have a number 11 and you can't stand it, there are so many different ways to stretch the muscles up here in your face to stretch it out. I think that the fact that people just wake up and put skincare on without any manipulation of the face is fucking wild. Yeah. I think that's like, I think that should be the foundation of the face is fucking wild. Yeah. I think that's like,

I think that should be the foundation of the skincare. I mean, that's been happening for centuries and cultures all over. I mean, I will do my eyebrow in the morning and it will be up here and the other one's down here because I don't do it yet. That's wild. It's like a totally different eyebrow. Yeah.

And I think that you're so right about really investing in skincare at a young age and making sure you're doing that instead of just going to Botox. Because you might, I mean, I started Botox very young, but looking back, I didn't have a solid routine that I should have had. And if I had had that and facial manipulation, I wasn't doing it at that age. It would have changed the game. A hundred percent. And I just think that these young girls are doing the wrong things and investing in the wrong things too young. And then they're like, because your skin is aging regardless. Right.

Even with Botox, your skin is deteriorating. Right. And if you are not putting things into place to keep up that collagen production, you know, to really invest in the elasticity of your skin, preserving it, if you are not protecting it, man, I mean, it's like you won't have wrinkles, but then you're wondering why the skin still sags or it still is stretched out or these pores are, you know, pulled because you've done nothing to nurture and give back to that skin or to kind of slow down that natural progression. If you had like a Katie course where you could take a wand like that, Katie course,

you should do one and like do a wand across everything. What are the little tips and tricks that you wish women could hear that would help keep things in harmony, whether it's beauty, health? I know that you're really into style to do it. Hold on. I'm going to sit back with a piece of hay in my tooth and relax. Go ahead. And Michael's not here. So go off. He's not. Yeah, he's not here to interrupt. It's so weird. It's like, oh, poor guy. It's off-putting. Okay, so a couple things. You touched on harmony, and I'm a big believer of that. Lately, something that I found that I've fallen in love with that I didn't realize makes such a difference is your colors. We talked about that a little bit, but not only your colors, because that's something that I saw my mom doing in like the 90s

with the like, you know, swatches of fabric. It is so much more now. But one of the things that I discovered is I think it's called chroma. But it's like when when you're wearing colors with high contrast or low contrast. So, for instance, I look better in a lot low contrast colors. So if it was a pattern, it would be like more of like a marbling or something. But then there's people with high contrast that can do high chroma and they look good with like black and white, like black and white stripes or black and white polka dots. I could not see you in black and white stripes. That makes sense. I see you definitely more in like a softer palette. And when you wore white on the podcast the first time, it was like, I feel like white is one of your colors. And I struggled

because I was like, I shouldn't have worn white. I loved it. I thought it was really pretty. Okay, good. No. And that's the thing is, is that was such a game changer because you can look at someone's pictures and we've talked about hair color. I also think like if high contrast is not you, like if that doesn't suit you, then getting the really dark tans and having really bleach blonde hair is not going to serve you. But if there is somebody that has high contrast, they probably look good with like a tan. I think you and I have the same colors, I would think was gonna say you and navy versus you and black it's better I know I just taught the two girls that were just in here were stylists navy this is what my best friend said she goes

Lauren everyone who's working in retail is wearing a lot of black and so it's a it's kind of like a common color navy is like a little bit of a it's a it's a it's a black but it's a it's kind of like a common color navy is like a little bit of a it's a it's a it's a black but it's a little yeah it's it's luxe it's rich it's it's just what do they say navy is the cut the color of the the wealthy no the navy's the black of the wealthy i don't know i love that i don't know and i believe that okay but it it is like immediately when you when you like popped up, I was like, okay, your eyes sparkle, all of it. It looks so good.

But I do think that knowing your colors, that is the cheapest thing you can do. And you're going to look so much better. It's just so everything is cohesive. It favors you. I don't know. Okay. What else? What are the other things? Makeup tips, nails, style? What are all the little things that really help? I think that there's room for personal expression. Like, I definitely don't want to steal that from somebody. If you like things, you know, I don't know, like if you're

a little bit more out there, like have those things, have your personal style. But I don't think that anything should be super distracting from your beauty unless that's just your brand. Like if you're just like kooky or, you know, like that's you. I think overall, what I've noticed is most women don't want to stand out. They actually want to fit in. And I think that when women do that, they're stealing other people's fashion or other people's style because they want to fit in.

But it's not for them. It doesn't work for them. And I think it's really important that you can fit in better by knowing your own personal style and colors and makeup choices. Not every influencer that's teaching you how to do makeup knows you. They're not looking at you. And so my goal is to empower you to be your own artist, to make these decisions, to ask those questions like, is this serving me well? And I think in my age demographic, it goes back to women just being stuck. They're just stuck and they're unable to see themselves in a different way. So this lady that I knew that was kind of like, I just loved her. She was such a mentor woman for me She said flexibility is the sign of health

She had had polio as a kid and she was just talking about how her doctors say that but I think that that goes for mentally to Being mentally flexible and having that ability to say, wait a minute. I always tell women, if you're looking around and you're saying, wow, that looks good on everybody else, like this trend, but not me, then it probably does look good on you. You're just unable to see yourself differently. So like if you're looking around at everybody and you're like, wow, these fuller brows look so good, but I look better in like a super skinny brow. No, you probably also would be served well with a fuller brow. You just can't see yourself outside of this little box you put in.

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that was not the goal it was different and I think each, I feel like every 10 years, you need to like reevaluate of like what the goal is. I'm a mother of two now. It's like my life has changed. I'm married. And I think that as you sort of change and have your different eras, it's important to sort of take inventory of that. I love the way you said that. Take inventory. I think that's so important. And I've seen your style evolve and it's like very... Did you see the book? Yeah. I was sweating. It's evolved. I mean, but it's cool, right? Because it's also, I mean, look at you. You're a bombshell. You could

wear anything. You could do anything, but you're honing in on your brand and who you are and how you want to present yourself to the world. And I love it. I think it's so, and it's funny because I'll go into like St. Laurent and I'll be like, oh, that's so Lauren. Like I can see, you know, things that just remind me of you. And when, when that starts to happen, I feel like you're really on the right track. It's been a journey. Like I used to be someone who wanted like huge boobs with the brightest blonde hair. Give me the bleach. Give like give me the longer nails. Give me and it's just I've just changed.

And it's funny. I feel more comfortable at this age than I did at 21. Absolutely. Sort of tells you it's a compass, I think. Right. It's a compass of like, are you on the right track of like what looks the best and what makes you feel the most confident? Right. And I think everything has like you need to weigh it, right? Yeah. Like I'm a firm believer that shorter nails are definitely classier. I was just going to say, see, I like your nails on you.

That's why I'm saying, though, like sometimes something looks so good on someone else, but it doesn't look good on me. You do. You have to know. You have to know who you are. And honestly, it helps you shop because I'll look at loafers. That's like so one. There's like two. I would say two genres that just aren't me.

Yeah. Super feminine is not me. So if something's like roughly or puff sleeve, I can like it all day long, but I know that's not me. And if it's, if I buy it and put it in my closet, I'll never reach for it. Right. And then the other thing I would say would be like preppy, which I would say you lean towards a preppy, like loafers, you know, like preppy yeah like stripes things like that like I love it and there's like a Gucci loafer out right now that I love but I won't wear it yeah and so I have to know that about myself I have more of like I love a street style I love

that I love more you know just a little bit more playful with like silhouettes. Yeah. Those are things that get me excited. And so I think there's room for personal expression, but also like creating this whole picture is really important. What are things that you wish people would stop doing from like maybe over waxing a brow to like using the wrong eye shot? Like, what are all the things that you're like, you know, I wish that we could just stop doing this? I mean, I lash extensions and I love a lash like I love a lash, but too many of the lash techs don't understand the anatomy of the eye. Oh, my God.

I you're the only person I could talk to about this. I understand exactly what you're going to say. And I'm like, why is that? They're weighing the eye down so much or they make the eye smaller instead of opening it out.

Or it's curled like a pubic hair. Yeah, or it looks like a curly suit. Whose lash is curled all like... Or it's sticking up into here.

Or it's just as long on the inside as it is on the outside. Yeah, I think you're so... If you do lashes, I think that's so important. This is so weird, people. How to flatter the eye. You have to be able to map the lashes out.

Even if they are like an unnatural length, I'm awful. I love a glam. Like, I love a glam glam. And it's funny because, side note, when I was young, my mom, like Oprah would be on or something. And Oprah would like have short nails and they would never be polished. And she's like the rich. They don't use polish. They don't have long nails, like all the things that the rich did. And, you know, you like eat your soup with your spoon going away. She was emily post but the tide has shifted right there are rich people that just and we just kind of alluded to this earlier class and rich are don't go hand in hand anymore you know we have that old money aesthetic and that's a little still kind of in that same vein but we can't really decide if someone's like, you know, wealthy based on appearance. Right.

But when someone is flattering, then that's really what's important. And this also goes to if you are getting injected. It's also so important to have someone that understands the face anatomy, even like doing brows, all of these things. You have to have someone who has taste mixed with artistry. And it's a really rare mix. It's like this is why I'm always on a mission to find like the best facialist. I don't if I go into a facial and the person is massaging my face down, I'm never going to go to that facial. When you come to Dallas, I have the best facelist.

Her name is Robin, the Dallas facelist. She goes up. She goes up, but she does the buckle massage. Yeah, there we go. Yeah. I didn't know I was carrying so much tension here. Yeah, and it releases. I almost cried.

Oh, that's because it releases emotion. Does it? I could feel that. It releases. There's a lot of emotion held right there. She's a miracle worker. Yeah. It makes you feel like you're going to sob.

Yes. Yeah. It's weird. It's very weird. But I'm so passionate about facial massage. I think people think I'm crazy. It's changed my life. I literally feel like I have given myself a facelift with facial manipulation.

I love that. Because if you think about your face, your face is full of fascia. And if the fascia is never stretched or touched, like people are like, oh, I'll do it online. They're like, you're you're stretching your skin. No, I'm not. I'm actually manipulating the fascia to stretch up to pull the face up. But also that idea that you're stretching the skin with just like touching it. I'm like, okay, I've seen pregnant bellies snap back without stretching. Like our skin is

elastic. It's not. And also like, let me give you the other side of that. How about never touching your skin? Because that's a blockage of lymphatic. Anyways, we could go off. No, 100%. The eyelashes, I think is a really good one what are other things that you look at that you're just like oh my god i wish people knew more please stop doing that i don't know there's things that i do that i i recognize like i love self-awareness i could be stuck okay in like 10 years because i'm for sure my hottest right now don't say that though because you're you're putting that out into the ether. I really think I'm going to be my hottest when I'm like 65.

Well, I mean my hottest as of yet. I think that you're going to be even hotter in 10 years. That facelift, I already have the plan. What's the plan? The plan, February 2023. I'm talking with my first facial plastic surgeon. I had to get on his list a year and a half ago. Can you tell us who it is?

Dr. Mascaro. Okay. And are you going to go to other ones or are you just with him? I will talk to other ones, but okay. So when looking for a plastic surgeon, a couple of the things that I look for, I look for their scar work.

Ooh, that's a good one. That is to me up there. That's a good one. That is to me up there. That's a good one. Because a lot of the you can call like these doctors are like marketing. They call it a certain name. Right. So editing things out. For sure.

For sure. But they'll take their technique and then they'll call it a certain name. And people will be like, well, I have to go to that doctor. I mean, it's genius. And it's three hundred thousand000 for a facelift. Right. And you're like, that's just a deep plane facelift. Like it's the same thing that, you know, homie over here is doing, but they're just really

good at marketing, but good for them. Right. However, there's pretty much like three basic facelift techniques. Okay. So that's it. But scar, like suturing and getting that scar skinny So that's it. But scar, like suturing and getting that scar skinny, that's where art meets science.

When you get a facelift, will you do the whole thing? Will you do a lower? I will do the, well, I've already had a brow lift. Okay. But I will, like if he's like,

hey, there's some more work to be done, I'd be like, that is when people get into the mistake. That's, okay, that's my second one. Okay. When people piecemeal things. I don't know.

What is piecemeal? Like instead of doing the entire, like everything that needs to be done or like injections, they just go in and they want just the cheeks. We talked about this last time. Or, you know, as, oh, I just want my neck. Well, everything like,

it's like that old song, like the knee bones connected to the thigh, but like they're all connected. So you will talk to a plastic surgeon about the facelift that you want to get, but you will say what are the things that actually need to be done as opposed to I just really want this.

Yeah, I will not go in and say, no, no, no, I don't want this. I'm not afraid of scars. I'm not afraid. I think people are their worst enemy because they're trying to shortcut things because fear is ruling them. So either they're afraid of like the big scar or too much work. But in reality, doing it all is the most natural, cohesive thing you can do because they all play against one another. And I think if anyone's listening and they're like, oh, well, this isn't something I can afford. My advice, and you could say your advice would be,

I would wait and save the money and wait an extra five, 10 years before just doing it half-ass. A hundred percent. And I've never had a facelift yet. Yeah. I probably will go on. And wait an extra five, 10 years before just doing it half ass. A hundred percent. And I've never had a facelift yet. Yeah. I probably will go on. But like, I think like from what I've gathered from interviewing all these plastic surgeons

is like, that's the way to do it. Absolutely. Because you throw off, I mean, everything is connected, right? So if somebody is like, well, it's just it's just my neck. Well, the neck and the jawline, you know, you can't just pull here and then. I mean, really, it's another problem. Right. And also skin is it's it's like fabric.

It's like if you pull on one corner of the bed, you're going to ripple some other places. I mean, that's a real thing. Right. I mean, you need to pull all four corners. Yep. That's kind of how I feel. One of the things I personally like about you so much, and I think our audience liked, is you are so honest about everything. I think that it's refreshing because there's so many people that are just lying or not saying anything. Lying and not saying anything. I think part of my reason is getting online, my goal was never to be revered.

You know, I didn't want to be this untouchable, right? I don't, it wasn't, I wanted to be relatable. And I realized that some of the things I do doesn't feel relatable to the average woman. They're like, you do all these things. And I'm like, yes, I understand that. But my goal is to show you just exactly how I got here. So it might not be something that you want to follow in my footsteps, but at least, you know, yeah, you know, should you want to.

And there were times like I drove an Altima that only had one working handle. You had to push a popsicle stick to move it. And I was driving that little piece of shit all the way to like my laser tech. I mean, that was important to you. That was I those were my priorities. I'm not saying right, wrong or indifferent. That just was my priority. Yeah. I think, though, that that has really made you a really lucrative career out of being so honest and showing all the nitty gritty. I think that people are craving that online. What is a piece of content that you've put out that went like viral crazy? I know you've had a couple of pieces. What are things that have really resonated with your audience, good or bad? I would say the transformation ones, those do so

well. And I think it is because one, here's a couple of things. When I show a picture of me in my twenties, I'm 42. Even if I were to do nothing, my would look different it's 20 plus years yeah so people are like why did you do all that you look so different and I'm like do you look the same as you did at 20 I mean most women won't you probably do but no I don't look the same that I looked I think that blonde hair on me was aging I I agree. I don't look the same. But you looked hot still. It was a different look. Yeah. I happen to like it. I will always like that look, but that was... It was a moment. It was a moment. And listen, the moment's passed. You know what? If that could be what people take away from today it would be that look in the mirror and if you've

if you've been rocking that for 10 20 years we have to fresh the moment has passed yeah we're pivoting isn't it fun though to be able to do that like i think that's so much fun well and that's where i was going and you're sitting with someone that is so ADD, but that lady was you too. Okay. So that lady was saying like, flexibility is a sign of health. And that's when I said, okay, being mentally flexible is the healthiest thing. And, and being healthy is important. So I don't ever want to do anything half-assed. That's why I eat right. That's why I exercise. I tell people I do all the other things. These are not shortcuts for me, but I am curating who I want to be. And we all get to decide who we want to be. And there's things where I'm like, that's too much.

That's too far. Like cooking. Removing a rib. Yeah. Removing a rib. By the way, people remove ribs. I know everyone thinks that that's crazy that they're hearing this there are people that i know that remove ribs oh a hundred percent that is the thing i think though this is important for people to hear this is my goal it's just you know like what you think is olive oil is not olive oil but it's just not it's also so much more complex it's not it is it's also to me not just a facelift right there's so many different facets which is why your content resonates you show all the different things that are going on it's a lot of different things and that's the thing too as i say they my celebrity clients, they take health and wellness

like it's their full time job. I mean, listen, I'm a prime example. I cannot not take my health and wellness like it's my full time job or I cannot show up and do my best working the kind of work that I do. I have to take my health and wellness like a job. And those things, if somebody were to say, would you cut out fitness or plastic surgery? A hundred percent plastic surgery. Right. Right. That to me, we all know the people that do nothing for their health. Right. And then that's not attractive. It is the whole picture. And what people seem to hyper fixate on when I'll do a post that I'll say, here's what I did from 20 to 40. And I'll say, I went more natural with my brow shape, something that's truer to my original

brows. I went closer to my natural hair color. This is my natural hair color. I lost 100 plus pounds. I work out every day. I eat a balanced diet. I sleep like I sleep a lot. All of these things I take care of. I get my blood checked in case any of my hormones. I'm at that stage, right? Where it's like, I want to be on top of it. I'm already having conversations. Okay. What does it look like? Those kinds of things. And then I'll say, oh, and I get filler Botox. I've had an upper bluff,

a mommy makeover. And they're like, oh, like they jump on that. And it's like, well, all of this stuff was equally important. I know you don't think it is, but it is. It's the whole picture. I think maybe it could be perceived as an excuse not to execute on the other things because the plastic surgery is an easy way out. Boom. You nailed it. I mean, that really is. It's an easy target because then otherwise

they go, oh gosh, those are things that I could do. Yeah. But you know what? I am not going to do plastic surgery, so she's vapid and full of herself i also think five things can be true i can love aesthetics and talking about things like this but i can also want to read macaveli and talk to to Andrew Huberman and be really into wellness. I think that this idea that just because you talk about plastic surgery that you're this one thing is really, it lacks intelligence when people say that. It almost makes me think there's a

lack of intelligence when there's a fixation on the plastic surgery. You can be really into that, but also be into other things that are completely different. Well, and I say that all the time. I'm like, it would be like, you know, it's who,

what was that famous actress that said, you know, sex is only an hour of the day, but then you have to spend the other 23 hours with them. That's how I feel. It's like, look, all of this aesthetics and stuff is such a tiny piece of who I am. And quite frankly, I'm not afraid of getting older. I'm going to get older.

So my identity, I always say I love aesthetics, but it's not my identity. I have put a lot of eggs in the basket that will last me a lifetime because I know that you're just going to get older. And youth is beautiful, right? But I have so much more that I'm proud of. It's being multi-layered. My vibe, I printed this out and put it on my bathroom mirror. I'm going to stop it. The test of a first-rate intelligence

is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. F. Scott Fitzgerald. I love it. It's like, just because something's true doesn't mean that something else isn't true.

And just because one person is left doesn't mean that there's something not right. Right. I think we've lost like just because someone likes plastic surgery doesn't mean they don't have other interests. Well, that's what people think. They think that plastic surgery and being, you know, vapid is mutually exclusive. Right. And I'm like, just because I'm curating my image in a way that seems outlandish to you doesn't mean that you hold the barometer for what's acceptable because you dye your hair, you put on makeup, you get dressed in clothes that

make you happy. That is your way of curating your image. I've taken mine one step further and that's for me, but that shouldn't threaten you. Either you step up. If that's something that you want to look a certain way, you draw that circle around yourself, you become that. But I absolutely think that you are hitting the nail on the head. It's like, I think women are put into these boxes and on these posts that go viral, it's mostly men that feel so threatened, mostly. They're still women. Maybe they have a hard on for you.

You know what? I think it's this reflection of like, that's a woman that rejected me in the past. And so she stands for everything that I'm against. And, you know, or something. I honestly don't understand. I always keep thinking about what Michael said. And I'm like, he's like, I don't,

a real man isn't even like online like that. It's so weird. It's so weird. It's creepy crawly. It is. It's sad. It makes me happy that I'm not in that world anymore. You look amazing. I think that everyone would be mad if you didn't walk us through an exact day of what you eat and how you work out. Cause you're very serious about that. Tell us, I want like you to tell me, like I wake up at seven and I first have my lemon basil water, like give us the whole day.

I'm going to guess that you don't like, that you don't want a decision fatigue, meaning I'm going to guess you probably eat the same thing every day. If I were to guess. I absolutely do. I'm a creature of habit. It's why I don't travel a lot.

I live vicariously through you. And it does give me a little anxiety because I'm like. I just eat protein all the whole time. But I also I'll have I'll have the carbs. I just start with protein. Yeah. That's the tip. I eat it all.

I eat a very balanced diet. You know, people don't really like when I say this because I eat low calorie. Let's go off. Who cares? Yeah. Tell us what you tell us. And this is just me. I did macros for a really long time and I always felt fluffy.

And I just think people were trying to get me like it was like this bodybuilding way of eating. And I just always felt like I wasn't that lean like I wanted. And I went back to like the 90s style of just you counting calories. But what those years of macros taught me was to implement more protein than we did in the 90s. The Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp. This month is all about gratitude. Some of the high performers that come on the show talk about how they have this gratitude practice where they thank the people that they have in their life. So they think of people that have been impactful in their lives or have been helpful. One thing that

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weekend. So I do naturally wake up at 630. Like my body wakes me up at 6.30 every morning. I try to be in bed by, I try to be asleep by 10.30. Okay. But I get in bed by eight and I, Me too. Do you? And it was earlier.

Like when my kids were younger, it used to be earlier. I mean, sometimes 7.30. I know. Same, same. As soon as I can get into bed. Same.

In fact, it's a little late right now. I know. It's five minutes to 7.06. I need to be in bed. Can we, next time our podcast be in bed. Yeah. In fact, it's a little late right now. Next time our podcast be in bed. Yeah, that's great. Love it. Seriously. But I do drink a full glass of water when I wake up. I'm old school and I don't eat before I work out. We talked about that last time a little bit. And that makes my trainers crazy. But I'm just so used to it that it would take me a while to get out of that because I feel I just feel my best

when my stomach's empty. Are we doing coffee, vitamins, supplements, electrolytes? I don't use electrolytes unless I'm going to be sweating like crazy. Okay. Otherwise, I don't use them. I drink a energy drink before I go. Okay. It's Celsius every day and it's one flavor. Okay. And it's the only flavor. No, it's this mango. It's carbonated.

It's like mango something Celsius. If you want to hook me up. And no coffee? Not before I work out. Okay. I work out with that. I drink my water. I'd get a coffee on the way home

it's just an oat milk coffee okay get home and then I will have some sort of protein supplement whey protein supplement and then I will wait until midday okay and I will have one taco okay what's on the taco just meat of some kind and a flour tortilla and salsa and if i'm feeling frisky a little bit of cheese okay but i keep it every like anytime i eat it's usually under a certain calorie count so you count the calorie okay and i mean that's that's what i do and i no dinner do what no dinner no i eat dinner but I stop everything by seven o'clock. Okay. So what are you eating for dinner? So I usually eat with my family. So I used to be super crazy and would eat my own meals, but I thought I'm not going to do that anymore because I have a

daughter that's getting into the age where she's starting to look at what I'm doing. I mean, it was just really important to me that that I changed things for her. OK, because I do know that I have issues like I know that like this is a long time coming and I wish I had had. What do you mean issues? Well, I struggle with weight and my mom. I grew up in the fat free era. And I was allowed to eat anything as long as it didn't have fat. So my mom would let me like gorge on like so I had a sweet tooth and I was allowed to eat anything as long as it didn't have fat. So my mom would let me like gorge on like,

so I had a sweet tooth and I still do. So she would let me eat all the Sour Patch Kids I wanted. I had Snackwills cookies. Everything was low fat or fat free. They didn't know. Yeah, they didn't know. So I had just a really like, I didn't realize like, okay, food is energy.

And so I still do have some lingering things like that where, but I've come a long way. So for dinner, I eat with my family. So whatever they're eating, I just portion it out for myself. Are you having a cocktail ever? Yeah, I'll have a cocktail. What's your cocktail of choice? I like sweet stuff. I can't, that's one place where I'm like, listen, if I'm going to have coffee, I'm not doing black coffee. That's bean water. And that's disgusting. And my coffee has sugar and it has milk. You got to try raw milk.

OK, I'll try that. But I don't ever do cow's milk anything. You've got to try raw cow's milk. It won't hurt your stomach. OK, I believe everything you say. I promise you the vitamins and enzymes for your skin your hair but where do i get it you get it from a farmer a local farmer in dallas are there farmers yeah you just it's like you go to a farmer's market and you get raw milk but why it's so good is it's the best you said you drink

it after but i think it's the best pre-workout because it's the coffee so you have energy yeah you're Celsius and then you have energy. Yeah. You're Celsius. And then you have a little bit of fat, a little bit of protein, a little bit of carb. And so it just like satiate you, frothed up. It's like a milkshake.

Oh, I'm all over it. I'll try it. It's so good. I think you should try it. Yeah, I would. I feel like you would like that. No, I will definitely try that. You just do like an inch with ice.

Like I like the pellet ice, the bean ice it's really good so good try it i would i would be interested if you like that no i will for sure try that and i will let you know michael made ice cream out of it with like cacao stop yeah it was pretty good it was pretty good no sugar protein powder in it but sugar he did protein powder c cacao, and raw milk. I'm putting a little bit of sugar. You can put a little bit of sugar. I have to. Put a little bit of coconut sugar.

Okay, so it sounds like you are very strict upon how you eat and when you eat. I am, but it's just because that also is a comfort to me. Yeah. To have those like, it's just the routine of it. But I am, there are things where I'm like, listen, if I'm going to have a drink or whatever, I like it to taste good. You know, I like when people are honest about this too, because I think if you go back and listen to the first episode with you, you did lose a hundred pounds.

Yeah. And I think that there's probably like you probably want to make sure you're I would think because I have this with losing 60 pounds. You want to make sure you're maintaining what you've worked so hard for. Yeah. I think that that aspect of losing weight is not talked about enough. There is a little bit sometimes of anxiety of like for me yes oh my god like I was 60 pounds heavier like I want to make sure that I can maintain how I feel but when you know what you're capable of yeah there is a little bit of like okay yeah good let's not let's not go back there yeah but it was such a long road of trial and error and trying different things out. This works for me.

I don't feel deprived ever. But I also temper that with busting my ass in the gym. Like I do a lot of things. And in fact, like I had to switch things up when I started lifting heavy and doing far less cardio. But now it's habitual. It's part of my life. I mean, it's been 15 years now. So this is just part of my life and how I live. I think it's just replacing and I feel like you've had the same journey as me with this. It's replacing the bad habits with

positive ones and adding so many positive habits that it crowds the bad out. And you start becoming addicted to how good you feel. You have said it so well. It is. I always tell people you're focusing on what you can't do instead of all the things you should. I would say add stuff in. Don't take stuff. Yeah.

So instead of being like, oh, my God, I have to lose 50 pounds and I need to lose it right away. Like I would, for me, like I added in a ton of meat. Yes. That works for me. It works for my blood type. I added in a ton. I crowded that. It crowds everything out. You're full. Yeah. So I think like crowding it out and then getting addicted to like waking up for you at 630. For me, I like to wake up at seven, but like I have my stuff that I do and you start to be like, oh my God, I don't want to feel bad during all this stuff. Absolutely. Oh, that's a big thing too, because I fell in love with fitness and that was important to me. I wanted to feel my best when I was in there. And so,

you know, I, I created an environment that was conducive to going to the gym every day and making it a habit. And I have people ask me, how do you stay motivated? And I'm like, it's not motivation, it's discipline. And there's a big difference. Yeah. It's just something that you have to do. I'm not motivated to brush my teeth. I'm not motivated to do a lot of things. Those are just things that you do. And you just, and the other thing about the backsliding, that fear of backsliding, I think always keeping in your mind, like, yes, I've arrived, but it's, it's a moving train. It's a, it's a moving target. There is no, there really is no maintenance. You're either moving forward or you're kind of moving back. Agreed. And so I always have that mentality is how am I going to get better? And now it's

different goals. I start to change things up in the gym. I have different growth goals, you know, working on the booty gains or a pull up or something like that. But when you get stuck of like, I've arrived, I think that's the killer for business, for fitness, for aesthetics, life. You're just, that's not going to serve you. Warren Buffett said like billion dollar businesses fail because people just think they've reached the mountaintop. Right. And they fail. Yes.

Billion dollar businesses fail because they think they've reached the mountaintop and they can sit back and kick back and relax and do fail. Yes. Billion dollar businesses fail because they think they've reached the mountaintop and they can sit back and kick back and relax and do nothing. That's just not how it works. It's a constant life in progress. And I think that you're so right that it is not motivation.

It's discipline. And I'm obsessed with Jocko how he says, discipline equals freedom. That's such a good quote. It's so simple it is so true it is one you know that you are loving yourself well when you start to implement discipline in your life and I just think it comes out when you see somebody that's very disciplined and I don't

mean like like regimented to the point where they have no life. Right. I just mean that they make certain things priority. You know, early on, like if I go to the gym at this time, I don't schedule jobs. In fact, I heard someone say, you better schedule your day off before your day off schedules you. And I was like, I don't believe that because there's always something to come up. And so what happens is people will say, OK, my days off are Tuesdays and Thursdays. Well, then something comes up on Monday, but then they've already told themselves that Tuesday's their day off. So then it's hard for them to get to the gym. But they've now misseday and tuesday and then they go and so i say i i just i'm the opposite i'm like there's no days off and then life gets in the way that's exactly i say seven days a week it's working out yeah and then you

miss a day you're so right you miss a day yeah because life we're moms we're, we're moms, we're wives, we're business owners. Something is going to come up. But now at this point in my life, like it's so important to me, like you can't really pay me to. I feel the other stuff. It keeps you strong to do the other things that you need to do. It keeps you effective, efficient. Like, it's so important. It really is like brushing your teeth. And people say like, oh, you, someone said to me like, there's a big world out there. Stop looking in the mirror.

And I go, no, I'm disciplined. I don't need to. Like, I don't need to look in the mirror to know I look good. Yeah, but I would say to that person, it's a big world out there. Stop looking in the mirror. And I go, no, I'm disciplined. I don't need to. Like, I don't need to look in the mirror to know I look good. Yeah, but I would say to that person, it's a big world out there. Stop looking on Instagram. And right. That's like the given. But I think what they think is when you look good, you're obsessed with it. And I go, no, I've implemented things in my life that now I'm free to not, like you said, discipline equals freedom. I'm free to let that go. My mind space was so much more crowded with how I look and how I feel

when I was unhealthy and overweight than it is now. I also think like I'm to the point where I'm not going to justify why I do things. Like if I want to work out every day and I want to dye my hair and do my brows a certain way and look good and still be a mother and a wife and work, like I'm just not going to

justify it. Like I just don't, I'm going to do what I want to do. Yeah. I, maybe I have, I, I'm, I still feel a little like I have to defend myself. You don't. But I'm getting there. You don't, you don't, you can do what you want to do, how you want to do it, the way you want to defend myself. You don't. But I'm getting there. You don't. You don't. You can do what you want to do, how you want to do it, the way you want to do it. There's a lot of different ways to skin a cat. This is true.

I mean, listen, we got to accept that people have different priorities and ideas and not everyone is the same. I will say for the most part, though, my community, they're amazing. There are women that are like like that's not for me

but i love watching you do i see that from your community you have a great community such a good community i mean they're just such awesome women and i think it's because when you are raw and you start to show like the other aspects of yourself they're like oh we're a lot more alike than we are different which you know is true you know like we all have like shitty things going on in our lives and we all have everyone has hardships and i think that the the detriment of a lot of people in the spotlight is that they don't show that side and that's what's giving aesthetics and this industry a bad rap because the humanity is lost and it's just like what's going on what what is happening yeah yeah and if you don't if you have no idea of what's happening it's confusing okay can i say the other thing that I wish would stop? Yeah.

Aesthetically is brushing the brows straight up like you've been electrocuted. I like it. Straight up. Straight up. Through the whole thing. I'll tell you why I like it. The whole thing. The whole.

Well, like I have it. I feel like you and I have the same. No, you're just combed over. Okay. This is up and combed. I'm talking the girls that go straight up and it's like laminated straight up the only thing about that is it pulls your whole face up yeah but it's usually super young girls but that brings us full circle if super young girls are doing that then we should

be doing it i don't know because they're all saying super but they're also they were also doing the matte like we might we might this is what we need you to do we need we just go have you go on your social media and say we just had a conversation about flexibility and changing and i'm gonna try this this look I did do it. So I believe in the brushed up. I like the brushed up. It's where they don't... Hold it. I know what you're saying.

It's where they don't... There's an arc to the brow. Yeah. They look electrocuted. Maybe being electrocuted is what's useful. Hey, listen, I'm going to be flexible right now. What a perfect way to end the whole conversation. I'm going to try. Like, listen, that'm going to be flexible right now. What a perfect way to end the whole conversation. I'm going to try.

Like, listen, that is my keyword, though. You say it's young and I'm like, I'm all over it. If you say all the young girls are doing it, we got to try it, Katie. Okay. I want to know how you feel about it before I go full electrocuted. I need to get your brows right now. Okay. They're fluffy.

They're full. They look natural. Okay. I do feel like it's... A little electrocuted? I think it's a little too... I do think... It's just like when the Illuminator was like...

You could see it from space. We had tin mans walking around on the street. It's where we've gone too far. Okay. We take a good thing and we go too far. I think we've taken a good thing. Like the cheek filler when it was pushing people's eye up and we couldn't see their eyes.

Yes, all of it. And they look like the Peanuts characters dancing in Christmas. The visual. The visual. The visual is so good right there.

It's so gnarly. Okay, what's in your bag? What's in my bag? My Chanel Shield Sunnies. Okay. good right there so gnarly okay what's in your bag what's in my bag my chanel shield sunnies my actual glasses because i'm blind now love it my shield sunnies really cute so cute right flatter the face sunglasses too sunglasses flatter the face yes i love. I love I'm a sunglass. Really cute. So cute. These are Tom Ford. Adorable. And they're dirty. Pepitas.

Love. Yeah. Protein and a crunch while I was driving. I also, you know, my sweet tooth. I have Mexican candy in here. Hey, somewhere. That's my favorite. I brought you the snail serum.

Remember, we talked about it last time. Did you try? Yes. No. It's the 10 day intensive. I want you to use one ampule day and night. It's the first thing you Remember we talked about it last time. Did you try it? No. It's the 10 day intensive. I want you to use one ampule day and night. It's the first thing you're going to put on your skin. Okay.

After you clean. Wait, you're going to have to text me all this. I will. I'll text you. It's so good. Okay. It is. Is my skin not glowing right now?

Your skin looks amazing. Like I prepped for this with this. Your skin looks amazing. Thank you, Bo. Okay. And I also brought you a diamonds are forever. This is my favorite lipstick from St. It's a for dupe thank you well you always like shower everybody it's amazing i love it i love it because it does your actual colors right yeah so i mean it's less

is more it's cream and i prefer cream makeup especially over 40 because can you show me will you text me the things that i should get from saint i keep hearing about that of course text me what to get um the mexican candy the mango one yum it's so good okay gum a hair tie keys phone wallet cash because i was dry i drove here and my mom's like always like don't not have cash if you're in the car. I don't even bring a wallet. I need to take a tip from you. Well, that's, I'm aging myself. All the young girls, they don't.

Ever. They don't ever. Bring anything. I bring Michael. And then my Bottega bag because Bottega is, I feel like Bottega is not your style necessarily. I love it. No, I love it. I think it's adorable.

It is like the, they're the best. Their bags are so No, I love it. I think it's adorable. It is like they're the best. Their bags are so good. I love it. I think the bag is so cute. Katie, you are welcome to come on anytime, Carson. I can't wait to hear what you took out of that conversation. I'm sure you took notes on all different kinds of things. Do you need some snail serum also?

Oh, Carson. I'll bring you some next time. Where can everyone find you? Where can they work with you? Pimp yourself out. Go listen to her part one. It's really you some next time. Where can everyone find you? Where can they work with you? Pimp yourself out. Go listen to her part one. It's really, really good, too. And this was a fun, honest conversation that I love. My favorite kinds. Pimp yourself out. You can find me at Makeup and Skin by Katie on Instagram is my favorite place to hang out. But I'm also on TikTok. You can send in a match. I can also help you with skincare consult. I work with a skincare

nurse. I actually do have a line of my own. I never talk about it. I know it's called cardio. It's an acronym. It's to help people simplify their skincare routine, cleanse, acid, retinol, dark spots. And it's E for extra or I, and then O for occlusive. And that just helps you to keep it succinct. I think people try to do too much and then they impair their barrier. And then there is like this like horrible cycle that they're in. So I work with a nurse because not everybody's the same. So people ask me, what are you doing? And I'm like, well, let's look at your skin. Right.

Your skin is different. So you can send in a color match and I'll help you pick your makeup. But then also, if you want, we can also look at your skin together. And then there I have like my favorite products for different treatments, you know, because you don't need every acid under the sun. They kind of all do the same thing. They're all a vehicle, but some are going to be better served for different skin conditions. And so we just kind of help you navigate it. I do believe in being succinct and not, there's just too much out there. It's overwhelming. And I do think women are doing too much when it comes to skincare. It's kind of like

taking too much vitamin C, you end up peeing the rest out. Yes. Your skin can only absorb so much. And so unless you're doing it all day long, every day, you don't need a 10 step routine. Less is more. A hundred percent. Thank you for coming back on. Come back anytime. That was so much fun.