The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Kelly Stafford On How To Overcome Adversity, Develop Resilience, & Manage Life In The NFL

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

#794: Join us as we sit down with Kelly Stafford – podcast host, health advocate, media personality, mother of four daughters, & wife to NFL Quarterback Matthew Stafford. Known for her candid approach to life, Kelly opens up about her experiences & shares her truth. In this episode, she delves into her fertility journey with IVF, her diagnosis & battle with a brain tumor, navigating postpartum identities, & balancing family dynamics as a busy mom, entrepreneur, & partner to an NFL superstar.   To connect with Kelly Stafford click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697)   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   This episode is sponsored by AG1   Check out DrinkAG1.com/skinny to start your new year on a healthier note.   This episode is sponsored by YNAB   Claim an exclusive three-month free trial, with no credit card required at YNAB.com/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by ARMRA   Go to tryarmra.com/SKINNY or enter SKINNY to get 30% off your first subscription order.   This episode is sponsored by Vivrelle   Go to vivrelle.com and apply for a membership today using code SKINNY for 30% off 4 months of membership & skip the Vivrelle waitlist.    This episode is sponsored by The Farmer’s Dog    Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at TheFarmersDog.com/skinny. Plus, you get FREE shipping!     This episode is sponsored by Seedlip   Start the New Year right by visiting seedlipdrinks.com and entering the code SKINNYCONFIDENTIAL to get 20% off your purchase.    Produced by Dear Media

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She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire Fantastic, and he's a serial entrepreneur a smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. It was a lot thrown at me and I still think this is true. Like think this is true, like my life needed it. I needed a pause. I needed like a slow down situation, really focus on me because that had been the last thing on my mind for a long time. And I truly think it helped my marriage, it helped our family become like strong. And we always come back to it, you know, if things are tough and or if we're struggling, we always kind of sit down and just say,

all right, things could be worse. Things and right, everything could always be worse. Things could be, you know, anyways, but we always try and go back to it. And in that time, just be like, we're so grateful for each other and what we have and the family we have, even though sometimes it's really hard. Kelly Stafford, podcast host,

health advocate, media personality, mother of four daughters and wife to NFL quarterback Matthew Stafford. If you're unfamiliar with Kelly, she's known for her candid approach to life, which you will get in this episode. On this show, she opens up about her experiences with IVF, her battle with a brain tumor, navigating postpartum identities, balancing family dynamics as a busy mom, entrepreneurship, and being

a partner to an NFL superstar. What I personally took from this episode though, is that she has done such a good job of standing on her own two feet as an independent woman. She has really forged the way in my opinion for a lot of women. I think that she really shines bright and you'll see her talk about that journey and what it sort of took to get there. With that, Kelly Stafford, welcome to the Him and Her Show. This is the skinny confidential Him and Her. I selfishly wanted you on the show because I think that it seems like you balance everything that you have going on so elegantly. Oh. Or young girls, a wife to an NFL QB.

You have your own podcast, Owning Your Worth, and also you said that you're on tour and you're managing to show up on social media and look hot while doing it. What is the secret? What is the secret medicine? Oh no, I appreciate you saying that it looks like I handle it well and balance things, but I truly don't. I mean, I'm like everyone else. To be honest, the tour's a lot.

I didn't think it was gonna be, but I am really ready for it to be over. So we have one last show in December. And then other than that, I will say, I wouldn't have done this when my kids were younger. Like they've gotten to an age where, you know, they can shower themselves. My older ones can help the little one shower. Like they've gotten to an age where, you know, they can shower themselves. My older ones can help the little one shower.

So that's gotten easier. I have a little more time on my hands, but I'm still struggling to juggle it all. I feel like my husband kind of is taking a backseat, which I hate doing because obviously marriage is important, but that is, he's like my last, are you good? Which is not great, but that's what it is right now. It's a season.

It's a season. It is the season right now. And it's, you know, one of my podcasts will stop after the season, I believe. It's time out and it's based on football. So that one will kind of, we'll take a little break from that so that will be helpful. And obviously him being done when with the offseason,

it's a little more time for us to reconnect. So I'm just kind of waiting till that to happen. Is there like a finesse that happens, meaning like, you know, when to like, like you can't upset him at a certain time? Like, is there like I feel like there there'd be a dance if you're strategic? There definitely is. What's the dance? You must not be very strategic, Lauren. No, when he's when he's stressed, I'm like, put be a dance if you're strategic. Yeah, there definitely is. What's the dance?

You must not be very strategic, Lauren. No, when he's stressed, I'm like, put his face in it, no, I'm just kidding. I mean, honestly, he does a really good job of kind of disconnecting from what's stressing him, which is usually work, football, when he comes home. And now having four little girls, that really helps to just take his mind off

of a lot of things that are stressing him out. With me, I mean, I just kind of, I don't tiptoe, but I do, when I see him very stressed, I try not to pile it on. Because I would say at the beginning, when we didn't have kids, I would pile it on being like, it's just football. Like I would just, you know, give them all my stress.

Anything that went wrong, I was like, you need to help me. Turns out that does not work. So I've learned to kind of just pick my battles when it comes to not like fighting, but just, Hey, I need help with this more than, okay, maybe I can continue to discipline this child for right now. But sometimes like, I need your help.

I need you to do this because this child's not listening. During the season, there's less of that. Just because. Get your pen out and write all this down. I have a honeydew list scroll in my head, but it's like a honeydew priorities list. And I do something similar.

I give you the main priority that I need, done. And then I'll go to the next thing. I only give you one thing at once. They can't handle more than once. No multitasking. It's not an octopus. Let's put it that way. I read a book. It says it's not good to multitask. Cause if you try to multitask that it's you're less effective.

Cause you can't do it. Okay. I don't think we have a choice. No, we don't have a choice. We have to multitask. No, it's true. Especially, you know, it's funny. We have, um, friends, like half of our friends have children and the other half

are still running around without children. Okay. Everybody's got issues, but whenever I hear the ones without the children telling me how busy and stressed they are, I'm like you just wait buddy. Oh yeah. Because one thing I think about all the time is like we've gotten so much better with our time ever since we've had the kids because you're basically forced to. When I hear these some of my guy friends saying like how stressed they are, I'm like buddy you were just out all weekend at the bar

hanging out like you can't be you stress I don't do that I have a friend that has a five-hour routine in the morning a five-hour you wake up at five. I meditate for this I do that like that's gone once you started. God that sounds amazing I would love to have that. Don't you feel like the more kids you have like I said you, you have four, you have to find, be really strategic with your productivity. Oh yes. Like when I go to bed and I feel like it helps, I don't sleep unless I can put a to-do list

for the next day of like, okay, this is what I'm gonna get done while they're at school. Their school is really short in California. I don't know if that's a California thing, but they get out literally at one and two. That's like what we have in Texas too. That's normal. I know her kids are older. Eight to three. That's like what we have in Texas too. That's normal.

I know her kids are older. That's not normal, Michael. What do you mean? Her kids are seven. What time? When they're that age, because what is that first grade or second grade? Second.

I could use a good three. What happened to eight to three? Yeah. Wasn't that, is that what yours was? That's what we did. I thought it was just a kindergarten or a young kid thing where you get out. Her kids aren't in kindergarten.

Yeah, none of them. Well, I have a TK, but yeah, they're out very early. So I really do have to plan when I'm doing things. Now with Christmas here, it's like, when do I wrap their gifts? Well, okay, we have this amount of time. I don't know. I just have to write everything down before I go to bed and kind of try to plan it out. Do you have like a psycho schedule? Depends on the day, but it is, I mean, podcast days are longer

and I always try to put something in there for myself. I love to play tennis, work out. So like, that's my thing. With holidays coming, it's gotten less and less of things for me and more for everybody else, which is what the holidays are. So you gotta just get over to January. I know.

The best day or the best week, I should say, of the year is the second through the eighth. Because everyone, everyone has collectively decided of the undertone of they're gonna just stop. Stop with the text, stop with the list. January 2nd? Yes. No. Watch, wrong.

What do you mean? People are like ready to go then. You will see people are in hibernation from the second to. No. Watch. Wrong. What do you mean? People are like ready to go then. You will see people are in hibernation from the 2nd to the 8th. Watch it. It's always when I do the most self-reflection.

No. It's the 27th to the 2nd. I disagree. Right after Christmas? That's when people calm down. No, because then it's New Year's. But your kids are still home. No.

No, no, no. Wrong. That's true. 2nd to the 8th. Trust me. I feel like I can't do it until my kids go back to school, which I think is around that time. Yeah, they go back to school and you have a little bit of space and there's not a hundred emails, watch.

Everyone makes the resolutions. I love the, my favorite day is the third. Everyone's just asleep. It's like Rip Van Winkle. I'm telling you. Right. I'm gonna watch it this year. Is that when everyone realizes that their New Year's resolutions are not gonna to happen? It's the third?

Yeah. Like the second, they're like, all right, here we go. And the third, they're like, fuck, this is going to be hard. Yeah. Probably. I think it's the eighth or the ninth. You think it's that far? That's a man.

I think they try. They go for a minute and then they're like, nope. I fail very quickly on mine and it's horrible. Have you always been this entrepreneurial and multifaceted? I mean, it's almost like you could kind of relax and eat bonbons and you don't. I've always wanted more for myself than to just be someone's wife. Uh-huh. And that's really what I was for a long time. I mean I was the girlfriend, the fiance, then the wife. And I went to

nursing school, thought that was gonna be what I loved. Turns out it wasn't, I did it for like a year after and was like, this is not my thing. Had my kids and then all of a sudden I was somebody's mom. So I was always somebody's something. And I really just wanted to have something for myself. I knew I was good at talking, even though I suck at the English language,

but I felt like I could storytell. And podcasting, I didn't really know much about until I moved to LA. And that's when I kind of got into it and I said, well, it's a new start for my husband and my family. Might as well make it a new start for me too. And I've loved it. It's given me an avenue that's mine.

Now it's gotten me in trouble a bunch too, but- What'd you get in trouble for? No, you know, just things I say that hit the media, which is often, but- Can you give us an example of what you're talking about? Um, well like last year, I think it was, I don't, this was the worst one I've done, cause it affected a locker room.

I was telling, talking about how kid, like, this generation is different. My husband's been in the league for a really long time, and they didn't have social media when he first entered. And so, no one was checking their phones, or no one was on their phone all the time. And now, you know, everybody is, we are. Everybody has their phone in their hand.

And so I just said, you know, sometimes it's hard, I feel like to connect people, because people are on their phones. And that hit the media as my husband wasn't connecting with his teammates and things like that. So they manipulated it. They manipulated it, which they always do, but everyone just reads headlines.

Well, I thought it was gonna be way worse than that. Well, there's been other ones, but I'd rather not discuss those. Because it's funny because I think because of what he does, everyone's just looking for, it's always interesting when we have certain people that have high profiles come on the show, what they'll pull. Like one person, I won't of what he does, everyone's just looking for... It's always interesting when we have certain people that have high profiles come on the show, what they'll pull. Like one person,

I won't say who it was, but they came in like, oh, I slept in the bed with my child. And it was like somebody rapid fired 80 publications, that she sleeps with the child. I'm like, if this was any other parent, nobody would give a shit. And honestly, why does anyone give a shit? It's just because it was that person.

No, and I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that. Yeah, a lot of these publications, they're struggling. They're looking for anything. Yeah. And I hope that's what it, but there's been quite a few. So I have to somewhat watch what I say. Um, you know, there's certain things on my podcast that I won't talk about. And that's basically like our, you know, certain parts of our

life that I won't discuss other than that. Like I've, I've loved having it. And there's been a few times where it's been as bad where I'm like, I just want to stop everything. I don't want to put my family out there anymore because I'm very real and vulnerable on my podcast. And I'm okay with that. But I do feel like sometimes it gets to the point

where maybe my daughters, when they grow up, they're like, I don't want this following me. Yeah. So I've stopped using names, but stories, it's hard because that's about being a parent is talking about maybe the best and worst parts of your day with your child. And that's a lot about what my podcast is. So it's hard to take them completely out of it, but I've tried to stop using names, tried to stop,

telling stories without divulging too much. I think that's great. It's like they're the supporting characters. They are. Yeah, I like saying my kids are extras on my Instagram story. They're not, I'm not like following them to the bathroom so you can see how I potty train them.

Like, it's just not, that's not, I'm not the right follow for that. Neither am I. And turns out I suck at potty training, so there's that. I did actually, I just found this out, I did lazy potty training. So there's that. I did actually, I just found this out. I did lazy potty training. I didn't know that I was doing it, but that's what it's called.

Oh, there's a term. What does that mean? We just, just let them do it? Nothing. What do we do? We just kind of like, we're going to try to take the diaper off and then hopefully at the toilet. And it was, but you just do it over time. Yeah. Your first is a boy.

Girl. Girl. Your first is a girl. There was no strategy. It was just like, let's try the toilet today. That's great. Because I really did it horrible the first time and it was two of them. And it backfired.

That's hard, though, too. At the same time. And I pushed it and they weren't ready. And it backfired. What's the age you're supposed to do it? It's supposedly when the bladder muscle's ready and they'll tell you. They'll like, there's dry diapers more often.

I think, I'm not an expert by any means, but that's kind of what I've been told. And honestly, my third and fourth did it themselves. That's what I think. I think just let it be intuitively going with the flow. And I guess it's called lazy potty training. I like that. I had a friend that like committed

the whole weekend to doing it. She like was like I'm gonna stay home and I'm gonna do I was just like I might take a year. And how did that go for her? She made it work, but let me tell you something. She makes everything work. Okay. There was no choice. The kid didn't have a choice. Well, and it turns out too like everybody knows but all kids are different. They're all gonna, I felt a lot of pressure

because I had friends who were already potty training their kids and they were already potty trained. And I was like, we gotta get going. Like this is, and then they were failing at it. And I was like, what's happening? Which it's hard. It's hard when you feel pressures around

and then you're forcing your kids and it really backfires on you. You just can't look at anyone else's grass. I know. It's just, you almost can't like get in the game of the milestones and the, if my kids potty trained by 10, I'm good. Yeah, listen, everyone,

turns out everyone gets potty trained. That's how my, I'm like, they're gonna walk. Yes. Eventually they'll walk. I didn't crawl until I was 16. I mean. You know, for the parents out there that are super excited to get their kids up

and walking and moving, I'm like, I would take all the time you need to. Once they're gone, they're gone. Once they start moving, I know. I mean, honestly, you know, let them like take their time. How old is y'all's, how old are y'all's kids? Four and two. Four and two. So you have a two year old little boy.

Two year old boy. What is that like? It's a lot of work. Well, it's different than a girl. I feel like they're wild. I've observed that he's hurt all the time. And the other one will tell us the two times specifically, the two times that she spilled.

She'll be like one time it was the coffee and one time it was the chia seed tea. Our son is smashing everything. Hold on, but chia seed and one time it was the chia seed tea. Our son is smashing everything. Hold on, but chia seed tea? Like let's, chia seed tea. Let me tell you about spilling chia seed tea. Me. It's good for your digestion.

Chia seeds. 6,000 spilled the tea all over the white bed frame. Tiny little ticks of chia seeds stuck. You know how chia seeds stick like a lip? Suctioned. No. So that was like 20 spills in one. Was that a repurpose? Did you repurpose that? I had to individually pick each chia seed like a piece of lice.

Oh, shit. That's fucking bad. Yeah, but I mean, our son just like, he's always got bruises and he's always smashing into things and he's always falling down and like, he's always bumping stuff. I mean, he spills everything. It's just like a different, I don't know, it's just different. That's what I mean, that's what I was wondering because every friend of mine that has a boy, they're wild.

And I don't know if I, I thought I was gonna be a full boy mom. I really wanted all boys, turns out. I love my girls, so that's good. Matthew wanted all girls, so he got what he wanted. But like, it, I'm so grateful looking around because they are, they sit and they color. They're very just like, they're not crazy. So.

A couple months ago, if I would have said that they're different, I would have been cut off the air. They would just cancel my show. They're different. How dare you? They are different. I hate to pick it up. Well, I will say, I think girls are going to be tougher when they're older, so there's that.

When I was a kid, my mom, I was always getting into trouble. And so she stopped my dad, she's like, OK, you're taking him, and then I take the two girls. And then like it flipped when they became teenagers, and she's like, it's a lot. I'm hoping Matthew will take them when they're teenagers. Yeah. He'll be retired, you know?

Yeah, put the elbow grease on. Your turn, your turn. What's something that you have spoken on on your own show that's really resonated with your audience? I think just opening up about IVF, things that are imposter syndrome, feeling like I don't deserve a lot that's been given

and a lot that I have, but I would say those two things. I opened up about going through IVF when I was in Michigan. Matthew and I had tried for, I don't know, it's a year and a half. We knew we were going to have trouble based on some stuff that was going on with me. I didn't realize how intense IVF was and how emotional it can make you. And I felt like no one talked about it. That one really resonated with a lot of people. It actually, I'm now part of a charity called Chosen

that we grant IVF cycles to people that can't afford it, which is something I'm really passionate about. And turns out so is the morning after crowd. And then the imposter syndrome, I mean, that was one of my most vulnerable podcasts. I just kind of let it all out. Things that I've been feeling for years, like I said, I mean, I wasn't my,

I didn't feel like I was my own human for 10 years being in Michigan. What was like the main reason for that? Just because I was always Matthew Stafford's wife. I needed to sit down and be quiet. I don't need to do anything. Just take care of the house. Take care of the kids.

You're so blessed. And it's not that I wasn't. I know that I'm very blessed in this life. But there's something to feeling like your own individual. Yeah, I imagine that's a very challenging dynamic when someone that you're married to has that size of a platform with that big of a fan base. Yeah. And Detroit was tough,

because Detroit is all sports. So like we walk through it. Here is really nice. You blend in, no one really gives a shit. So it's kind of awesome. But in Detroit, it wasn't like that. And you would always feel like we would go to an event and we'd be talking and I'd always, or I'd be talking to somebody

and I'd always feel their eyes like waiting for their chance to get to Matthew who was, so that was really tough. Cause I'm also somebody who loves to communicate and be with people. And all of a sudden they didn't want to talk. So I was just like, okay, so I shut down. Well, the best thing about LA is now everybody will do that

with everyone when we're talking to you. Yeah, you're like, well, you're not that interesting. I call it the lily pad. Oh, I love it. The lily pad, yeah. Wade, I love that. Yeah, it's a distracted look in their eye. But you're right, we moved from here to Austin

and it's different there because, you know, there's just so many people, public people out here that you see all the time. So people are kind of desensitized to it. Yeah. I can imagine when you're in Detroit, it'd be challenging. I mean, what else is in Detroit besides athletes?

I mean, Kid Rock, Eminem, that's really about it. So you stand out there. But you've done such a good job, I think, of carving out your own path. Like you should be so proud of yourself. You've done, like, you sort of made your own way. Well, I appreciate that. It took a lot of time. Like I didn't know what I wanted to do you've done, like, you sort of made your own way. Well, I appreciate that.

It took a lot of time. Like, I didn't know what I wanted to do or who I wanted to be for a long time. And that's part my own fault and part the fault of people always looking around me. But I have enjoyed being here. And I really enjoyed just having my own something. You know, now I'm not just someone's mom or someone's wife.

I'm also, and it's not what you do. We know that, but it just, it feels nice to contribute something. I have a hot tip. Okay. For all men. Why are you looking at me like I'm just a ball? This is a big hot tip. Listen up.

I like this. When you are talking to a couple about business or you want someone to invest in you, look at the wife. The wife is the one that's making the decision and she will do it subtly. She will say, that's not who I would work with, pass the catch up. You have to look at the wife.

And I have been around so many men in rooms with Michael where they don't even look at me because they're just focused on Michael and they don't realize like, yeah, let me talk to you, Ben. We did live in West Hollywood for a while. The wife is such a decision maker in a very subtle way. And it's so interesting to me how a lot of men don't realize that, that they think they're talking to the head. The head's the wife. I agree.

Hate to break it to you. Yeah. And Matthew even tell people that. He's like, I got to talk to my wife first. It is very, and you know where I find it really apparent to, or what I would say is, when waiters are serving or like asking for your order, and they are solely looking at everybody else but the wife, or just that's how it feels whenever we sit down at a table if the waiter

Comes to me first and ask for my now I'm from the south too. So that just for me. That's how I should happen Order the food should come to the woman first all those things if they do that I'm tipping like I'm gonna. If they do that, I'm tipping. Like I'm gonna be, and to be honest, I usually sign the bill anyways. So that's another, like you're saying, I'm like, yeah, when waiters come up and they just kind of just look at Matthew

and they're like, uh-huh, or waitress, same thing. And then they're like, and you? And they'll still, I'm like, and they'll look away. I'm going, well, are you listening or? So I agree with you, I they'll still, I'm like, and they'll look away. I'm going, well, are you listening or? So I agree with you. I'm on your, because it is true that men tend to think that they run the show, love you. But it turns out usually the woman in the house does.

The woman is the compass. No, I'll get home and be like, oh, I just met this great person. And Laura's like, no, not them. I'm like, oh, it's over, it's done. Matthew reads people really well. I'm horrible at reading people. So that's actually flipped for us.

He's like, I'll be like, oh my God, I met this really nice person. I'll say the name. He's like, oh no. And then I'm like, no, they're great. And I'll spend another day with them. I'm like, fuck, he was right. That's like you.

Yeah, you do that too? Oh yeah. Yeah, I think I'm. Do we just, are we too easy? Like we're first impressions. Like that's why I say Is it easy to make a good first impression on me? I think that that

If you're married for a long time, there's one person that has the nose. That's true. It's like a nose for bullshit That's true. You have more of the nose for that But I make more of the decisions. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think, like, everybody has certain skills. So I can... No, you think you're great at this. Just brag. No, I think that I'm good at sussing out people's, like, real intentions early. And if someone's a nice person, like, I watch the way

people treat other people. I'm very observant. Like, if somebody comes into the studio and they're super nice to me and they're rude to any of the people that work in it, I'm like... I don't like... I watch little kind of things like that or someone how, you know, just how they treat people and everyday... So, I'll see sometimes because of what she does, I'll see people like, kind of... behave a certain way and then not somewhere else.

I'm like, no, no, no, no. Got it. It's just a little thing. People will tell you who they are without saying anything. Yeah, they will. Yeah, they're being careful. Careful. Shit will tell you who they are without saying it. If you're around me and Michael, yeah, they will. They're serving. Careful. Careful.

Shit. Were you guys nice when you walked in? Yes. You were lovely. Both of you were lovely. Okay. You've talked about postpartum depression. I had the worst postpartum depression with my first.

And that is something that obviously we know is not talked about. You've had four children. What did you find to be the best tool in your toolbox to help with that? Is there a tool? I would say talking to somebody. It took me a little bit. I think I was so embarrassed because they tell you how happy you should be and you have this healthy baby and it was actually after my third hunter that I my third hunter that I had it. And there was nothing really that anyone could do in my immediate circle. Like Matthew tried, my parents, everyone,

tried to say things that they thought were going to be helpful or do things. Turns out I just really needed someone to listen and not judge. And I didn't think I could do that with the people around me. Not that I, they're not judgmental people, but it's just, you have this thought in your mind

of saying, okay, I just had another beautiful baby and they're healthy and there's people that don't have healthy babies and they can't get pregnant. So I should be so, so happy, but I am not. Like I am struggling. I don't wanna get up. I love the baby, but I also wanna hand her off a lot. And I don't think there's much wrong with that.

Sometimes you need a break, but it got to the point where I was also failing to take care of my two older ones. And that wasn't fair. They were about almost two and needed their mom. And so finally kind of got the courage to go talk to someone. And to be honest, I was so skeptical. I was like, this is not gonna help. I don't wanna be put on medicine.

I didn't want to go down that route because I just was like, I'm fine. I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. Turns out, went to this person and she was incredible. They just, I believe therapists know how to get to the bottom of things and so that's where I found myself again in a way. And I've actually carried that through LA. Like I have a therapist here, I just think being able to get things out that you might not be able to,

to the person even closest to you, honestly, I feel like sometimes that's the hardest person to open up to. Cause I felt, and again, I felt embarrassed. I was, you know, went through IVF, wanted kids so bad, got pregnant naturally at this one very quickly. And so I should be so happy. And it just, it was the complete opposite for

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I think that's where it makes it worse though, is that you have the postpartum depression or anxiety and then there's like shame that you feel that way when you're supposed to be so happy. And what I've realized is you can simultaneously be so happy that you have this beautiful, healthy child, but also be struggling with something at the same time. For instance, with pregnancy. Whenever I've been pregnant, I'm so blessed and happy that I'm pregnant,

but it's also shitty to get fat and cellulite and feel like a whale. 100%. And be waddling around and feel hormonal and grumpy and have food aversions. Like I just don't, you can have two things at once. Yeah, I agree. I feel like you can be happy while mourning something

that you might've lost. And for me, I really struggle with my postpartum body. In fact, I like would not get naked in front of Matthew for a long time. I was just embarrassed. I was so used to a certain body type of mine and all of a sudden that's out the door and I had to realize like looking back it was it's okay to feel bad about that. Like I feel like society's like oh but you just had a

baby you look you look so good like don't worry about it that's's your scar, like the scar of your child. And I'm going, yeah, I get that, but I'm also really struggling with what I look like. And as, not solve it, as, what's it, when you're all about outside looks, this is where the English language is hard for me. Superficial? Superficial as that might sound, it's the truth.

And so I was like, I have to be, I can be happy, but also more in the fact that I lost with my first two babies, all of my freedom. I have two people to take care of. Yeah. And that is what it is. And you can mourn that. You can mourn your body.

It's gonna be different for the rest of your life and that's okay. But it's also okay to sit in that for a while and reflect on it and be like okay this is what it is now but the fact that people tell you don't worry about it it's just your postpart like you'll be fine this is your new body you're like whoa whoa whoa this is your new life well let me give me a second to mourn my old life that I'm now don't have anymore and I also think if you have intrusive thoughts

in the postpartum, that's a whole, it's, you feel like you're going insane. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, I'll just be honest, like, and be careful here, but like a lot of men, we just don't have any idea what the hell's happening or going on. She was going through it. Michael told me his hair hurt when he was,

when I was 10 months pregnant. 10 months pregnant, he told me his hair hurt. Your hair hurt? No, it wasn't, no, that's not. 10 months pregnant, he told me his hair hurt. Your hair hurt? No, it wasn't my hair. That's not what I said. What did you even mean? Repeat it. No, it was like one of these things.

I don't know. My head hurts. You said your hair hurt. I wasn't trying to take away from... Have you ever seen that meme where it's like, I'm tired, but I know I'll never be as tired as my wife is tired. Good. Learn it, live it, love it.

But anyway, no, I just, at the time, when she was going through that, especially as our first child, and nobody ever talked to us about this subject, and this was four years... I thought you had the baby and it was skipped to my loo, and it was like... I thought the pregnancy was the hard part. So I'm like, snap out of it.

And I've taken a lot of shit on the show in the past. We've talked about how I had to go through it, but I had no understanding of what was happening. Yeah. And it's, I mean, I feel like it's tough for the husband. It's not just you. It's, I feel like every guy is trying to figure out kind of where they should be or what they should do for their wife who might be... Laser tag. Yeah. Who might be... It's tough on the relationship, I think.

Oh. That's, I mean, meaning it wasn't tough on me for like, it was much tougher on her, but it was tough on the relationship because I didn't know what to do to help her. Yeah. And there's honestly, unfortunately there's not much you can do. Yeah. Now I've learned, okay, it would have been better if I would have just shut the hell up and listened to a lot of the rest.

All you have to do is shut. It's so easy. Shut up. So this is funny that you say that cause I have a feeling of this, Matthew gets hit every week, right? He comes home, he's eaten and battered and all these things. And I really hurt my back two weeks ago. And I've been really struggling, but I can't complain.

So I know this is one of the things I tiptoe around. I know, okay, I can't talk about my back because I know he's dealing with far worse situations on his body. But maybe, you know, that's kind of like this. Maybe just don't talk about how your hair hurts Or how you have a what's your latest that you have a dot show or the dot? No, it was like a broken top

That he's talked about every day for the last time What dot there's a dot right there shows a dot. It's like right there everyone on on No, it's an invisible dot. No, but I was wondering, don't go on a tangent about me here. I'll be like, my arm just got cut off. He's like, ugh, this dot. This dot.

He goes in a dot. The point is, It is a dot. It is like the tired analogy. I'll be exhausted, but I realize I'm not allowed to tell her that because she's more exhausted. Yes. Does that make sense?

Yes, it is. And I always try and remind myself that it's not a competition because I'll do the same thing to Matthew. He'll be like- Well, it's tough because when he comes home and he's like, I've had a really long day, I would be like, you've had a long day. Let me just tell you about my day real quick.

And I know like what is put on his shoulders is a lot and there's a lot going on at that facility every day, but there's also a lot going on at home. So there is, there I have to remind myself a lot like when he says something and I want to respond in a way I have to be like it's not a competition, it's not a competition. He's tired, just let him be tired, you know. I can deal with mine in a different way. But there's a lot of times where I'm like, I just want to, I'm fucking exhausted. Like you're tired. You didn't, you haven't even seen your kids yet. Kids are exhausting. Yep.

What I've learned though, doing this show for as long as we've done it and having all sorts of different people is like somebody's worst trauma is their worst trauma. Meaning like if somebody lost a loved one or a parent and that's their worst thing, and then somebody lost their job and that's the worst thing, like, they feel the same thing almost as much as they're, until they have a greater trauma. So your dot is equal to me getting my arm cut off.

My dot, in per se, is... But do you know what I'm saying? No, I absolutely do. They don't even have the, they don't have the, they don't have the ability to even see like, oh, there's a worse level. It's like for them, whatever the, like, you know what I'm saying? No, I absolutely do. Oh my God. They don't have the ability to even see like, oh, there's a worse level. It's like for them, whatever the... You know, it's like when you see a young kid going through a breakup, it's like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened.

I'm never gonna... And it is for them. For them, yes. It is the worst. And I'll say something on that. I, in 2019, had a brain tumor and felt guilty for feeling... I want to talk to you about that. Huh? I want to talk to you about that. Well, felt guilty for feeling... I want to talk to you about that. Huh?

I want to talk to you about that. Well, felt guilty for feeling the trauma, like felt guilty for feeling scared because it wasn't cancerous, right? So I was very lucky in that. And I felt bad even saying I was terrified of surgery because, you know, there were people that were fighting brain cancer.

And so, but that was the worst trauma I have been through and the scariest thing I have been through. So it was hard, like you're saying, it's hard to, you're right, there's certain traumas that people feel that are equal to even greater traumas of others. Well, that's the problem with a lot of people now commenting on how people should feel about their traumas because there's, you know, there's people that feel the need to commenting on how people should feel about their traumas because there's, you know,

there's people that feel the need to tell people how they should feel about their trauma, but you can't until you're in it. How did you figure out that you had a brain tumor? That's terrifying. I was actually trying to teach my little girls a front roll. I cheered and tumbled through my life.

And so it was something that came very natural. Front roll obviously comes naturally to a lot of people, but I did it and I got, the room just started spinning. And I told my mom who was sitting there, I was like, ooh, I'm getting old. She was like, what? I was like, the room is like spinning after that. And she was like, you're 29 years old.

What are you talking about? And the vertigo spell started to get worse and worse to the point where I was holding Hunter, which was my third at the time, and she was about six months maybe, maybe she was somewhere around there. So also in the middle of all the postpartum depression stuff. So there was a lot thrown at me,

but anyways, I was holding her and I felt the room spinning and I kind of just threw it at Matthew before I went down. And right after that, he was like, we have to get you checked out. And months in between, but we finally got the results back. And yeah, I had an acoustic neuroma that was sitting on my balance nerve. Did they have to obviously operate, I'm sure?

They did. That's so overwhelming. It's your brain. I mean, it's your brain. It's I I will say like I am great Looking back grateful for it, but I've never been the same What do you mean? It just takes me longer now Like I was a very over I played a lot of sports and that's where I found my love and my joy actually I met Matthew not met Matthew, but Matthew said he fell in love with me when he saw me playing pickup basketball. It's just what I've

done. Like I, that's why I thought I was gonna be a boy mom. And so now playing sports, my balance is still, I'm still learning. My brain has to learn to balance on one side. Normally you have both sides. Does it, when you work it out like this though, like through sports, like say you said you played tennis. I imagine tennis is helpful. Does it make it stronger? The more you can make it uncomfortable, the better it gets.

Do you notice anything else after that? Like, do you notice that you like, smells smell different or? No smell and taste, thank God, because I love food. But I have a slight Bell's palsy on my right side that I manipulate with Botox. And then part of my hearing is gone on my right side. Do you know what caused it or what brought it on?

Or it's just random. Wow. So it could happen to anyone? Happen to anybody. How do you know when, looking back, and I'm sure you've talked to a lot of different people about this, how do you know when to go into the doctor and get a checkup?

I mean, to be honest, as moms and as you know, we tend to put ourselves last. It took my husband forcing me to go. It wasn't like, I didn't honestly didn't think anything was wrong. I just thought I was getting dizzy spells. Like maybe I was dehydrated or something. I don't drink a ton of water.

So maybe that was it. Never in my wildest dreams did I think something was gonna come back. Cause I was a genuinely healthy person. And I, you know, tried to treat my body well. How long was this whole process once you got diagnosed? Did it take two years? What was it? Short. I did not want it to be long.

And what sucks is they gave us options. And I hate options. Especially when you're talking about a brain tumor. They're like, well, you can watch it, you can sit and watch it grow. And then once it starts really messing with you, and I was like, messing with me, I can't hold my kids. Like, I'm having these spells and, or you could radiate it, which there, most people leaned against that or take it out. And I immediately was wanting to take it out.

When you took it out and you woke up, is it something that you feel better in a week or is it a huge process? I had to relearn to walk. Oh my gosh And it's not like it took forever like it was no it's still that's super intense Yeah It's just cuz your balance is off like and they don't want you progressing too quickly because if you fall in her You know things I couldn't be with my kids I think it was three weeks. they were out of the house.

And it just, you know, it's, once you learn it, you learn it, but you gotta take the time to do it. How did you guys talk to your children about you going through that? Were you radically honest or did you kind of guard them? They were really young, so I was lucky in that. The girls were two, my oldest were two. So they were tiny.

They were young. They didn't really have an idea of what was happening. And you were going through postpartum. You just had a baby and you were dealing with this. I mean, that's a whole... It was a lot thrown at me. Yeah. But I still think this is true.

My life needed it. I needed a pause. I needed a pause. I needed like a slow down situation, really focus on me because that had been the last thing on my mind for a long time. And I truly think it helped my marriage. It helped our family become like strong.

And we always come back to it. You know, if things are tough and, or if we we're struggling we always kind of sit down and just say all right things could be worse things and right everything could always be worse things could be you know anyways but um we always try and go back to it and in that time just be like we're so grateful for each other and what we have and the family we have, even though sometimes it's really hard. Yeah, it makes everything else seem small in comparison.

Are you doing anything where people can DM you if they have a question about it? I'm sure people have DM'd you and reached out. They have, yeah. And I always, I do check the ones that come through that I usually, you know, people who are following, you're following, have the pride, whatever that is. But, and I'll check and see,

cause there have been a lot of people that have reached out, you know, supposedly it's a rare tumor, but you wouldn't know it by based on the amount of people that reach out. And like going public with that, rare tumor, but you wouldn't know it by based on the amount of people that reach out. And like going public with that, I went back and forth with Matthew on it. But I was like, I want to help others. If other people have questions, like I, hopefully this was before my search, I was like, hopefully

I can be an answer and give them, you know, I don't know. It was a really scary time and no one could tell me anything about it. And that's what sucked. So I didn't want other people going through it to feel that way. And also when you Google it, you don't, like, it's just like almost, you're in a deep hole. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So... I don't think you can Google any medical conditions these days.

Yeah, you can't Google dot on your face. D-Dot on my face. Cheers. Dot on my face. Sorry. Put it up on the screen, Taylor. Pull it up. No, but every time you go down the Google rabbit hole, you just leave terrified. You can't do it anymore.

Yeah, and I did that after I was diagnosed, but luckily, Matthew shut that down pretty quick. If you were to describe, this is a tangent, to someone who had never heard of sports, what the behind the scenes is like. Behind the scenes, like family, like the players. The dynamics of the wags and the women and their mistresses in there.

Like if you were to describe, I imagine it like, remember that scene in Juicy? You wanna get the headphones going now? No, this is actually for my own selfish self. I imagine it like Jumanji. Okay. When all the different like animals. Is Robin Williams?

Yeah, are like, there's so many dynamics. It's like an onion, I would think. If you were to describe the behind the scenes of the wives and the Mr. Sizzle, to someone who has no idea, AKA me, cause I've never been around sports really. Yeah. How are you describing it?

I mean, I... Why yeah, how are you describing? I have had I have a lot of experiences to pull from I've been a Quote-unquote wag for 16 years. This is a perfect person And I was tired of the world for why for why she was the girlfriend engaged in the way Yes, why is and girlfriend why is and girlfriends of professional she's the entrepreneur. They should add in a wages away Wages I'm in You know what I I have thoroughly like I'm so glad that I got out of Georgia and I'll say that because I don't think I would have ever left without Matthew getting to a place not

knowing anybody but the community that you are involved with meaning the players and their girlfriends or wives it is a very fun dynamic but also a very sad dynamic because you do see, and especially because I was in one place for so long, it was like a carousel. Yeah. Women leaving, not the mistresses. Like a carousel of like players getting traded,

players getting cut. The mistress is like sitting with popcorn and like a mustache with like glasses. So many good stories I wish I could tell you, but I just don't think I can. Can you tell an anonymous one? I can tell, I could tell you, but I just don't think I can. Can you tell an anonymous one? I can tell, I can tell. Oh gosh, I don't know, I'm looking over, okay.

Maybe at the end. Okay. Okay. But it, I love that people are so intrigued by this and I do feel like it's because of who is now a wag in Taylor Swift. And the dynamic is about the same as if you moved with him for a job and you got to know, and I hate to bore you, but it's normal.

Yeah, I'm so sorry. There's no like, there's no real housewives of athletes. Did you ever see the show wags? Yes, of course. OK, it's nothing like that. So it's fake. No, yeah, that's all fake. But is it like this?

Like, we have a friend. Let's go here. We have a friend. And he has been a bachelor for a long time. But what happens is he starts dating someone. And then he's one of our close friends. So then we all become friends, but about a year and a half into it, it gets a little squirrely. It's always a year and a half. It's basically a path. Like I, it's

kind of like if you, if I was an investor timing cycles, I'll be like, okay, we're in this cycle. This is the cycle. And it sucks because like like, I... We meet these women and they're very nice and we become friends and they meet our children and we do a whole thing. But, like, once we're in that cycle, I'm like, well... Here it goes. There's gotta be the cycle. There is, but you...

But then, like, they go and then, you know, and so we all, we lose because... Yeah, it's tough. So it is the same in that regard. There were some players that you knew not to get too close to the Sydney Fandathers, which honestly I thought horrible about. Because, you know, I did get close to a bunch in Detroit who were there a long time. But you never want to feel like you're singling people out or not allowing people into the group or whatever but you also just knew and sometimes there would just be a new girl the next week so it was you know that managing that or like making these girls feel welcome

especially as a quarterbacks wife you want everyone to feel welcome the quarterbacks like a star guys I want you to understand something about me I know nothing about sports I do know that the quarterback is like the best It's the shiny star. He touches the ball. Yes. He touches ball every time on offense. Okay So everyone's angling to get in with you. I mean no no one angles. I'm too old now to be honest If I was younger than yes, are they wearing like a crop top push-up with vagina out or is everyone like come on there's gonna be someone There is definitely a mix of that and there's the girls that get their hair and makeup done for every game And there's the girls that show up looking a hot disaster. Those usually ones with the kids

So there is a dynamic there and that some girls are young and they have time and they have fun and they go out And they're like come with us and like I can't yeah and I used to be that girl when I was young when I like I moved to Detroit when I was 19 I couldn't even get into bars and so it was really fun for a long time and then you know you grow up and you have kids and again there is a big age gap between me and a rookie girlfriend okay so let me ask you this And again, there is a big age gap between me and a rookie girlfriend. Okay, so let me ask you this. What's your strategy Lauren?

Yeah, if you were to write a book called like The Wag Guide. The Wag Guide? Wages guide. You can include entrepreneurs too. What would you tell someone who's just coming into this world as a girlfriend? Like what is the survival kit? Don't lose yourself. Don't lose who you are. Because you put it all towards like cheering for the guy. People tell you who to be. They tell you you should be prettier.

They tell you that you should just shut your mouth. They tell you, they literally, and this is horrible, it's all on social media, but I do feel like when you're young, and I still do, like I'm not, I'm not superwoman. I don't not read comments and get upset. Like I still do that.

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I'm sure. I think it's because our brains were not meant for this many people in the peanut gallery and this much content. It's no, I agree. Yeah, you have to, I'm like, and I'm gonna tell my kids this, with my daughter. The internet's a movie set. There is lighting, there is makeup, there is a producer, there is a director.

There is a filter. This is a movie set. So if you can equate it, like when I watched The Wizard of Oz when I was little and thought, oh wow, this is a production. That's what the internet is, and you have, I think you have to put that in perspective for girls. I think it's really important, or else you just get eaten. Yeah, that's a really good way to do it.

I was just, well, I wanna know your tips. You have four girls, how are you, what, like, I don't know. It's overwhelming. I'm terrified of it. I mean, my girls are already like, I mean, I don't, I was just talking to Kira about this, but they asked for clothes for Christmas. They're seven and six. I'm going, I'm pretty sure I was asking for Barbies or something to play with, but they're already so

aware of what they look like. And I don't think I was aware literally until I got fat in college. I don't think I knew. I was always playing sports. I was always just a little jockey. But my girls already are very, if they don't like their outfit, they're changing. They don't like the way they look in their outfit. And I just feel like that's so young to be doing that. And it scares the shit out of me. Because I do think like I

Especially being if we moved this is why I love LA though there. I love and hate LA I love LA because they are no one's daughters here. They're not they're they're just Chandler's for Hunter and Tyler If we move to where I think we would move if we moved out of LA, which would be back to Georgia They would be Matthew Stafford's kids and there's an added pressure To look a certain way. And I've felt that myself as an adult and couldn't handle it. So I'm terrified for my children. Like we're like gonna attempt no phones until you're 15

and see, and I'm honestly hoping by then, and I know it's far fetched, I tell you this all the time, I hope they ban it, because it's so bad for mental health, but we all know they won't. You know, we go, like, we were talking again, like, our generation of parents are kind of, no, no, our generation, the generation before us,

like, that had kids in their teens when all this came out, were like the first skinny pigs, because a lot of these platforms, like it was Instagram or TikTok or whatever, like, the parents had no, they didn't grow up with social. And the kids all had it, so there was no way to, like, we Instagram or TikTok or whatever, like the parents had no, they didn't grow up a social and the kids all had it. So there was no way to, like we are the first generation

that grew up with it, but later, and now our kids are gonna be able to get it a little bit later. We go speak at colleges and I always say like, are you a consumer or is it a tool? If it's not a tool and you're just a mindless consumer, then it's probably not a good thing for you. But if you can separate and realize,

like, okay, people are using this as a tool to curate a movie set to showcase whatever, and you can understand the difference, and I think you have a chance. But if they're just mindlessly consuming and the parent doesn't have an idea how to kind of differentiate it, I think that's really challenging.

I think that's, I mean, you're right. It's not gonna go away. No, it's not. And I, and, you know, we do our best right now where they don't have technology, but it's cause we're, I'm honestly scared that they're gonna stumble upon Instagram, not really stumble upon it, but like they have friends who have phones.

They have friends who have Instagram accounts. Well, it's scary too. And that's terrifying. And they've already, and they've already asked, but we try to do our best of just like limiting any, besides the TV, I'm all about some Apple TV, go for it, I don't care. But phones, stuff like that, we're gonna do our damndest

to try and hold off as long as we can, until their brains can fully be aware of what they're consuming, and that it's not real, a lot of it. It's people's best days, the best of their best days. So it's, but it's hard. And as a woman and as a 15, I couldn't imagine 15 year old girl

because we didn't, I didn't have it when I was 15. Oh my God, it would have eaten me alive at 15. I wouldn't have survived. They really had those journals they would pass around in school. Yeah. And then you'd like rate guys and girls. What do you mean they did it with me?

No, no, but I'm saying. Oh my God, I love that. I forgot your heart. Yeah, we have our journal that we pass back and forth. We have a journal, a composition notebook that we pass back and forth. Your notes are six pages, mine are like two sentences. Like Lauren, please respond.

Please respond to my journal. Okay, one minute, because I want to know, did y'all, y'all met very early on, did y'all stay together the whole time? No. No. He wishes. Yeah, he does.

No, yeah, you gotta pull back, you gotta be elusive. I had to go run around for a little bit. No, everyone's gotta Yeah, he does. We didn't say, no, yeah, you got to pull back. You got to be elusive. Oh, yeah. I had to go run around for a little bit. Everyone's got to, you know, test everything and make sure. I think that's important. I had to test a couple cars. Yeah, no, it's just good. Hey, I came back.

You know what though, what's really scary, this is like, I know we're just meeting each other, but there, I have friends that have older kids that discover porn on the internet and like back in the day when I was a kid if you Found a magazine in the bushes. It was like this is like the thing, you know, are you like found a video? But it was tame. It was not so crazy and he was saying the biggest problem now is like the stuff that these kids are It's so aggressive. It's not like normal It's not like it's not like having sex. It's like it's so what it's done It's like one it desensitizes them, and two, creates a, like, when they have

their first experiences, like, this is not even close to what it is. And so then they, like, it's causing all these issues with intimacy because the kids, like, think that that's what- You have girls saying you're a little safer. Well, now I'm scared of what the boys think that should be happening. Well, yeah, that's true.

Because my girls are gonna be on the other side of that. That's true. Well, but it's for all of them, but it just- Thanks. Well, yeah. That's true. Because my girls are going to be on the other side of that. That's true. Well, but it's for all of them, but it's just. Thanks a lot, Michael. Oh, you can do this. Oh, thank you. Well, I don't know what the answer is, but I think that the needs. Yeah.

I think a lot of parents want to shield a lot. I think I had a father who he was kind of crazy. He's 80 now, but he was kind of crazy. He would like tell me all these wild experiences and things that he would do. But then when I faced those things, when they got present, like say it was drugs or whatever, I was like, oh, well, he already like told me so much and explained. His dad was super, super radically honest with him about everything. And I don't necessarily know if that's the way, but I think for this,

it's a lot of conversation about like what Lauren was talking about. Or if it's things you come, it's like, these are not real experiences. They're artificial. They're amped up. They're meant to solicit a response and a dopamine, you know, release. And I think like, if you just, if you just kind of shield them forever, don't tell them and then as soon as they get it, it's going to be a kick on the croc. Yeah, you're right.

And I will say the analogy is great because a lot of times I'm wondering the words to say of like, I'll be like, no, that's not real. And they're like, what do you mean? It's not real. It's right there. I'm like, no, but that's not, there's filters and they're like, what does that mean? It's not real. It's right there. I'm like, no, but that's not there's filters They're like, what does that mean? So I like yeah, you know what you should do You should Google influencers set up and you'll be able to show them the stick with the diva light Like with they can see all the like movie production. Yeah, that's behind

Yeah, show them what it's like to edit a photo without anything. Yeah, you could show them Facetune. You show them the filter. This is what my face looks like without and this is what it looks like. You show them. Or you could do what we're doing and become Amish when they're around 12. And then you just go away.

What is the Kelly morning nighttime routine, if there is one? Oh man, it's not great. I mean, your skin looks beautiful, like thank you. What's the tips? I would say, I sometimes don't wash my face at night. But I don't, but I also- Maybe that's the secret.

Those are the days I don't wear makeup. Okay, okay, that's fair. Honestly most days, but yes, I don't wear a lot of makeup either, unless I'm with you guys, because this is very important. I feel I only am wearing makeup if it's worth it. Yeah.

No. You know what? He's seen you since you were what, how old? Oh, I don't give a shit. You figure it out. I've seen her give birth. Yeah. OK, yeah, you're fine.

Everything looks good after that. No, you haven't. You were behind the sheet. I was around the sheet. Oh, thank goodness. In nursing school, we had to watch it, and it was. He doesn't want. You're not watching it.

He acts like you're like the quarterback Okay, so go ahead your morning routine and night time yeah, so a lot of times I don't wash my face I do find that sometimes the oils are good. Uh-huh. I agree with you, especially as you get older so that sometimes happens if that happens I Definitely take a little bit longer in the morning to get a deep clean in. But, um, I run very dry. So moisturizers, oils, that's really simple. Very meditation, full plunge sauna, workout.

I wish all of that. No, I mean, you look like you work out every day. You're working out. I play, I try and play tennis. Yes. Michael and I just started about a year ago. How fun is it? I play, I try and play tennis. You play tennis? Yes. Michael and I just started about a year ago. How fun is it?

We love it. It's addicting. We love it. Yeah. It's like a... It's really good for a marriage too. Yeah. Yeah.

Unless, well, I've been playing now for two years and Matthew literally came to hit a ball with me and the lady I hit with and was 9,000 times better than me. And I'm not saying like, he is athletic. I will give him that, but I'm going,000 times better than me. And I'm not saying, like, he is athletic. I will give him that. But I'm going, are you fucking kidding me? I literally been working on this for two years.

And I'm not not athletic, but I just, he's just, it's, and I know men, but- Is that just an eight, do you think? Yeah, probably. I don't know, but it was really fucking frustrating. Like I said, he's an elite specimen that's playing at the top level. He's gonna love that you call him an elite specimen. I mean, he's an elite specimen that's playing at the top level. I love, he's gonna love it. You call him an elite specimen.

I mean, he's- Can you Google him so I can see him? Here, I'll show you. I only looked at Kelly's stuff. Why is my screen not alive here, Taylor? What's happening? What's up with this broken office? I think that Matthew is Kelly's husband.

I love you for that. Do you know that? That's my goal. When he's done, that's gonna be my goal. Sorry. We were on the East coast this summer and these girl were at this bar and these girls had a couple of drinks.

They came up, they go, oh my God, you are Lauren's wife. And I was like, I sure am. Right, I am. I love that for you. I wanna see like a picture. Is he like a Greek God or like, what is that? Do you just want like a normal picture?

He's an NFL quarterback. It's not easy to get that. I probably will recognize him. But like, do you know what NFL quarterbacks look like most of the time, right? And I love my, listen, this is what I love about my husband. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I think some are different looking than others. I think he's a good looking man. But like, when you say specimen, I feel like people are thinking he has like an eight pack. No, I mean, he's a good-looking man. every day for his entire life is sports right? You can just look through this. Um, yeah, I mean his job is to work out.

Yeah. Which sounds fucking awesome. I mean he looks like an elite specimen. I can see why you said that. I don't just throw, listen, not everybody comes on. I'm not like, you're a guy's elite. I don't say that about everybody. I have seen him by the way.

He's? I know nothing about sports. I could not tell you what LeBron James looks like. And I hear that word all the time. Yes you could if you saw LeBron. Swear on my life he could walk by me. I'd be like, that guy's tall. Oh, wow.

I have no idea. Good, this is perfect for me. Don't look at any of these people. So it's nothing against, I just don't know about... I know Tom Brady. Most really good athletes look exactly like me. Like that's what they mostly look like. Yeah, there you go. You don't think of Tom Brady like that.

Yes, we do. I'm just kidding. No, we don't. Wait, this is Stephen Chambers. This is not him or is that a picture? This is him? That's him. I mean, you guys are a great looking couple. That's very sweet. Thank you.

But yeah, I mean, I would imagine probably because he, that's what he does look like, that he would know, he would be able to get into the athletics and know the movements right away. Yes. Even the tennis is challenging, but he... Yeah. I mean, he and just a ball in general. I mean, any type of ball he can manage, which sounds...

Well, hold on. Let me take that back. That's the headline. There's the headline. You know what I mean. But no, he's just athletic. His hand eye, all of that. When he comes up to you, is he like famous coming up to you or no?

Was he just a normal guy? When he came up to me? When you guys met. The first time you met. I didn't know who he was when we first met. Perfect. Okay, so did you like him right away or did it take some time? He was adorable.

He was a little chubbier. I like a little chubbier. Yes, he was a little chubbier. Me too. He was a little chubbier. He was really funny. Then I found out he was the quarterback, which honestly kind of put me the other direction. I was like, ugh, you know, he was quarterback of an

SEC school, like, God knows, you know what I mean? So I was just like, oh great, and we had our ups and downs for a while there, which was also a headline that I won't discuss, but you could probably look it up. But yeah, we loved and hated each other through college. And then when he was going to train for the NFL and leaving, I was like, all right, this was so fun, kind of. Like, I love you, enjoy life. That's literally, honestly, where I thought this was going.

And he called me from training and was like, I want to make this work. I want to try to make this work. So you kind of gave him a little absence to make him feel it for a minute. Well, I really thought that it, I was like, you're going to be drafted somewhere, especially when you got drafted to Detroit.

I was like, love you. You're going to be so great. And in the South, it really is about college football. So like, I didn't know much about professional football. Like it is about where I'm from. It's not about the Falcons, which is the Atlanta team. It's about UGA George football which Matthew was the quarterback was or that's where Matthew was the quarterback and I went to school and I cheered shit I should have dated an athlete. I never dated

What do you mean? I don't think it's Do you play sports I grew up playing a lot of sports, but I know tennis No, I played when I was a kid basketball. I hate to break it to you. I know it looks like I was a kid I was a cornerback. You did the corner a quarter corner corner, but yeah, but I've never heard that position in my life I played hockey. Then I was a boxer. She's like, you weren't the same. I was a boxer for real.

Oh, you played like everything. You did a lot. Well, the problem is, is that I think when you're a kid, like your parents just throw you in a bunch of stuff. But then in high school, I was like a buck 40. And then I got out there and I was like these massive dudes. I'm like, fuck this, I'm out of here. And I was like, you know, cause there is, you know,

certain positions that you have to have a little bit of size. Oh, yeah, yeah, like every position. Yeah, so I was like, I'm not doing that. Michael, I think she knows that. But I've always done different things, but never at that level. No, never at that level. And I will be beating you in tennis.

I would love to play tennis. What can we expect from your podcast when everyone goes to listen, Owning Your Worth? You also have another one you said, what can we expect? I mean, honestly, my co-host is 50 years old. He is from Michigan. He is a gay dad that just got separated. So we're very, we are on two different life paths.

And we kind of just talk about the modern relationships in both of those and failing and succeeding. Would love for people to hear like and feel comforted that they're not alone if they have a really bad parenting day or if they have a really bad fight with their husband or wife. In today's society I feel like we think things have to be perfect or we're failing. I feel like we think things have to be perfect or we're failing Turns out the way to make things close to perfect is to fail to understand And that's really kind of what we talk about we laugh We laugh a lot my co-host is

Pretty funny he well, I'll let you listen to get to know him, but it is just something to come listen to, take your mind off the day, realize the person. I feel like people think I have my shit together, like you said, and I'm very honest about not having it together. And I feel like that comforts me, knowing that everyone else is kind of feeling that way. And I hope it kind of comforts them,

knowing that someone that you would think has her life kind of set out and planned and Blessed is also struggling with a lot to it life is like that meme that Kendall Jenner meme It really is where it's like she's sitting in bed like with a hoodie on and it's like me trying to figure out how to Text all my friends back like blow my husband Everything like finish all finish all my meetings, like take care of my kids, clean the house. What if you just did the one that blow your husband

and go figure everything else will take care of itself. Ah. But if you don't start being nicer, you're gonna be in the future. It's really not happy husband, happy life though. If you don't start being nicer, you're in the future, Lauren's gonna be like, yeah,

I host a show with my gay ex-husband dad. And you know what, I just realized, you never put you in there. It was always everybody else. It's all these different things you have to do all the time. It's like to figure it out. It's a mathematic equation. I feel like that's some people's lives. Yeah. I think you gotta pick and choose.

You do. I think you can do three things at once really well. Multitasking. Yeah, I think. Which is what we were just saying. I'm gonna remind you of this later. I also think there's seasons. Like sometimes I can hang out with my friends and sometimes I can't. Yeah, I think. Which is what we were just saying. I'm gonna remind you of this later. I also think there's seasons. Like sometimes I can hang out with my friends

and sometimes I can't. Yeah, so I totally agree with you. And this is what I'll say. The friends that love you and understand you are gonna be there after the season where you can't do anything. Yeah, and the ones that don't, I'm sorry, we gotta. Yeah, I mean, they'll be back eventually, but.

Yeah. Where can everyone find you? Where can they come see your show in December tell us all the things They can find me my Instagram handle is KB Stafford 89 and then the morning after media is where all of our podcast stuff drops What else what else you asked me remember but 89 for the his team number 82 or 89 89. that's where you can find us. Is the 89 for his team number? Is it 82 or 89? 89, that's the year I was born. Got it, okay, okay. Which I'm realizing I should, like when I was young,

I was like, yeah, that works. But now that I'm getting older, I'm like, I really should take the 89 out. I thought the 89 was his number on his jersey. Oh, no, nine, nine's his number. Oh, so it kind of works. Yeah, yeah, sure. It does, we'll just say that.

Four kids feels like eight, and then he has a nine. Yes, exactly. Kelly, thank you so much. I chose a wife that has no understanding of who these men are. That was my strategy. Oh my good. What do you guys do on Sundays?

You don't watch football? I've never watched football. You never watched football? I mean, I've watched, my dad has watched the Broncos when I was little. Are you from Denver? She was born in Denver. I was born in Denver.

Okay. No, we grew up with the Chargers. To be honest with you, I also don't understand it. I don't understand the game. Well, I have a podcast called Time Out and that is what that's for. It explains it to people like me. It explains it.

That have no idea. Exactly. It's a bit of a foreign language if you weren't brought up around it. It is a, even if you're brought up around it and have lived in it for as long as I have, I am still learning. Oh, so you, it's not like an easy game like tennis

where you can just figure it out. I used to watch a lot more when I would gamble. Okay. I have to be vested. Okay. Well, isn't there like a Draft Kings that you can gamble on? Yeah, but no, and now I'm in Texas. I don't know if it's legal. Is it legal in Texas?

I don't know, but I had at one point, well, I was like, it was going a little too much. I was like all of that. Then I would get invested. But then, you know, because the problem with, if you know anything about sports, is we grew up with the Chargers. The Chargers fully betrayed San Diego.

They bailed out and then- Where are they? LA. Exactly, but then we lost the team and now we live in Texas. And I'm like, I'm not a Dallas fan. I'm not, you know, cause they were- Well, thank God you're not a Dallas fan.

I did, Kelly, wait for it. Okay. Throw the first pitch at the Padres game. That's true. Let's go. And I- She did it. Was a 7 first pitch at the Padres game. Let's go and I She did it was a seven point five. I would say hell. Yeah, it wasn't like a pathetic Did you make it over the plate? You caught it? Yeah, she made it over plate. She made over the plate What that's hard little to the left, but it was that's okay. No, no, no, it was good. That's a long throw I know so she did it from the from the mountain to damn

I don't choose to do that a lot of women choose to step up So that's you know what I thought the whole time I was like I don't catch this fucking ball my man Carter's gonna be done I'll be finished when they asked you to catch it where you're like damn And I don't like if she throws it off And it's and I can't then like I won't but I like if she gets it to me and I miss it I'll be I'll be finished forever Don't worry about you who's throwing the first pitch from the center of the mound.

But don't you agree? Maybe I'll absolutely agree. Like if I didn't catch it, I would be talking bad. I would have been the fan talking about you. You would have been like, look at this bozo. Absolutely. I'd be like, God, he can't even catch her ball. This is tough. After this episode, I'm inspired to throw around an old pigskin. There! There we go. Teach me how to throw it. I love this. Kelly, thank you for coming on the show. Come back anytime. Be sure to head to at the Skinny Confidential on Instagram to see the latest launch that's

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