The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Landyn Hutchinson On How To Stay In A Healthy Relationship, Developing Grit, & How To Build A Career On Your Terms

Starting point is 00:00:00 The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Starting point is 00:00:21 Aha! Like, I didn't know you could make money. I didn't know anything about affiliate marketing. I knew literally nothing. And so I got this girl to take some pictures of me and brand and do my logo that it is today. And my husband said, well, what are you going to do? Are you going to just go ahead and do it? I mean, I'm home. So I just started doing it. So fast forward, going through the motions. And I remember getting on to reward style at the time or like it to know it, whatever it was. I started linking. I think the first thing I linked was my cutting board and my salt and pepper shaker. And I like sent it out

Starting point is 00:00:54 into the world. All of a sudden, like people were buying it. I'm like, wait a minute, this is how this works. I had no clue. Literally three months later from starting this, I got the thing that said I was one of the top 100 influencers in the country. And I was like, what? Landon Hutchinson is on the Him and Her show today. I fucking loved this episode with Landon. There's some people that come on the show that you just feel like you can just keep talking to and talking to and talking to. She's one of them. She came on. She was so casual. It felt like we were out to dinner with her. She's open. She's vulnerable.

Starting point is 00:01:30 She's funny. She's witty. And I think it's just so impressive that she has really created her own future. She's created her own career. Also, I think it's fun because she's married to her high school sweetheart. We get into that story. A lot of synergies. A lot of synergies.

Starting point is 00:01:47 And she has cultivated such a highly engaged audience. So many people look to her for like the best of the best. We got into it. We got marriage advice. We got life advice. We got a lot of takeaways in this episode. And like Lauren said, we felt like we could have talked to Landon on and on and on. There's so many topics we could have gone into and that we discussed.

Starting point is 00:02:04 And I don't even know how long this episode was, but I feel like it's going to be a long one because we went all over the place. The reason I think that you are going to like this episode is because it really hits all the spots. We talk about kids. We talk about wellness. We talk about routines. But she's also, like I said, incredibly vulnerable and she's raw. So on that note, let's welcome the creator behind

Starting point is 00:02:27 Living With Landon, Landon Hutchinson, to the Him and Her Show. This is the skinny confidential Him and Her. Landon, a breath of fresh air is on the podcast today. You are such an open book and like the perfect person to podcast with someone that I've wanted to podcast with for so long. So I'm so happy you're here all the way from Nashville, right? All the way. I mean, no, honestly, thank you. I'm not just, you know, saying this because I'm sitting here, but I, I followed you in the podcast. I saw you at create and cultivate. You were, I mean, what, eight years ago, You were a guest there and I was sitting in the audience. I had come in for that and I was like, oh, I really love this.

Starting point is 00:03:08 I love her energy. And it's just been really fun to watch it all evolve. And you have the kids and the brand. And of course, like I'm a huge fan of what you're putting out. So thank you. It's just fun to be here. I mean, you just seem like you're a girl's girl. No, we're simpatico.

Starting point is 00:03:21 I feel like if I lived in Nashville, we would for sure be making margaritas. It was almost Nashville. Yeah. Was it? It was almost. Because when we were moving from California, we looked and we actually flew out to Nashville. But our family, so much of them are still in San Diego.

Starting point is 00:03:34 And I'm like, oh, the flights are still a little bit long from Nashville all the way back to California. Well, you know, Nashville and Austin are related. They are related. I was like, is it the younger sister, the older sister? Not sure, but they are. Yeah, they are totally related. You are really. I was like, is it the younger sister, the older sister? Not sure. But they are. Yeah, they are. You guys have a little more. I don't want to call like dirty, but you got a little more grit. Well, then Nashville's a little more southern polished.

Starting point is 00:03:55 Speaking of grit, we want to tell your story because like you said off air, I think that your story maybe looks so glamorous to so many people, but I want to go back to when you're young. You're in eighth grade. Yeah. I mean, even before that, I mean, I was raised by a single mom. Okay. Now I think as a parent and as a mother, I'm just looking at her thinking about the sacrifice she made and everything she gave up. I mean, she had me at 21. So she's walking away with a baby at like 22 years old. And to me, I put myself in those shoes and I'm like, oh my gosh. So, so many, so much of my childhood was so happy. There was never, I don't remember a sad, you know, hard time because she just did such a great job of creating a life that appeared to be

Starting point is 00:04:45 happy and perfect as perfectly as she could make it with what she had. And so a lot of things that I do now stem back from that. And I think as I'm getting older, I'm really diving in and just going to therapy and really like understanding who I am and how I tick, not having a real relationship with my dad and all of those things. And so I look back and like I eat a bowl of cereal every night at 10 o'clock at night. And that's because my mom couldn't afford groceries and we had cereal. So that is my comfort food. So it's just kind of interesting. And from that created a little secret hideaway spot for my daughter and I in the pantry. And since she's been a little girl, that's where we talk about everything, friend problems, school, boys, you name it, whatever's on her mind. So

Starting point is 00:05:30 it's kind of our little thing. So now I'm like digging back into my life, like of all these little things that I do that I'm like, where did this come from? And it is just so much part of my story of how, you know, where I am today and the relationship I have with her. And so just kind of interesting to go back. But I totally agree with you that when you become a parent, you have this extreme empathy for your parents that you didn't have before you were a parent. And you start to realize that, whoa, wait, they didn't know everything. They how they didn't have the tools to be perfect. How can you like project that onto them? And you just sort of like not feel sorry for them, but you just understand them more.

Starting point is 00:06:11 Yeah, for sure. Empathy is huge. I feel like that's the one thing that I've really, really learned to have more of. And I always thought I was pretty empathetic. I'm like a giver and someone that's just always doing and making everyone happy and making everyone feel welcome and loved on. And so just to kind of really see the depths of even my in-laws and my parents and like why they do the things they do, which is how they were raised. So it's interesting to be raising kids now and just really digging in because let's be honest, my kids have a very charmed life, given how hard my husband and I have worked. So we're in this place now where we have one off to college and one about to be a junior in high school. I'm like, where does the grit come from?

Starting point is 00:06:55 How am I going to give that to my kids when I'm giving them everything I didn't have? So right now, it's like them having to struggle a little bit in like a, you know, upper middle class neighborhood and lifestyle. It's like hard. It's hard to like they need that. I think every great success story and successful business and person and everything just had to go through, you know, shit to get to, you know, get through the shit to get to the rainbow. And I'm just wondering how I give that. That's like my we're we are having these similar conversations. I can totally what you're saying really resonates. You do want them to have that grit because it does give you an edge. Yeah. And how how do you do that if you are trying to give them everything you didn't have?

Starting point is 00:07:43 Yeah. It's a real mindfuck. What I've realized is it's like you're damned if you are trying to give them everything you didn't have yeah it's a real mind fuck what i've realized is it's like you're damned if you do you're damned if you don't and you constantly feel guilty not even just giving the stuff but like sometimes giving a little bit of tough love oh yeah tough love people coddle people so much nowadays and i understand it doesn't come it comes from a good place but i think in the long run it potentially does more damage than good yes you have all these kind of everyone's getting a trophy every i mean the world is not nice and so just using the way we were brought up and trying to instill that in our kids and give them those life lessons it's not easy at our house i mean my husband was raised by you know a marine for tourism vietnam like a cop kind of guy like yeah

Starting point is 00:08:22 you know what i mean like i think he might have thrown thrown steve through the drywall because he didn't say thank you at a sleepover like he's not laying hands on my kids but it's just like you're trying to really teach them how to like you know the world's not nice like let me give you a little bit of that now before you leave yeah i know and this is a controversial statement but i think even for boys like i tell lauren all the time and our son's only one but i'm like be careful babying this boy too much because i see a lot of my guy friends that their moms is like don't talk about me and my boy oh listen i was just about to say you're about to be some of my guy friends are still on their mother's tit and i'm like what's going on and they it creates this weird dynamic i sing him a song that says he's living with the mom for the

Starting point is 00:09:00 rest of his life i see no it's true. I see these men and they still have these weird mommy issues and it makes it hard for them to deal with women now later in life. And I'm like, so listen, I understand getting between a mother and a son is a very dicey proposition, but I'm always like, hey, be careful that you don't baby this guy too much. He's one. I've been reminded constantly in raising our son that maybe I might've done that a little too much, but let me tell you something. I never understood my mother-in-law. I never understood a boy mom until I had a son. And I'm like, I mean, you know, I was like, these women are crazy. And now I'm crazy. You know what I mean? And I, I, I just can't get enough of him because it's a wild thing to watch.

Starting point is 00:09:46 And he's so little. It just turned a year. But like mine's 16 and driving and it's wild, y'all. It is a man living in our house and the shoulders are rounding, the facial hair, the voice. And I'm just over here like, and it's unique for me and it's going to happen to you too. And I think we could be a very small percentage of people that are going to experience this. But I am now falling in love with the same boy twice and not a lot of people get to do that. And it's so fascinating because I met my husband at 14 and like I'm watching that unfold again.

Starting point is 00:10:23 So like Luke's the same age as as around the time I met Steve. And it's just this beautiful... I know everything about this kid. I changed his diapers. But I'm seeing my husband in him. And it's just absolutely wild. Because genetics are wild. And so it's just like, just wait till you get there.

Starting point is 00:10:40 And then it adds a whole nother layer. Because I'm like... You're taking me away from that. Because when I saw you when I was 12, he was the cutest kid. When you tell me that, I'm like, oh my God, I get to experience little Michael again. I know.

Starting point is 00:10:52 Honestly, if someone was like, you have to choose between little Michael and the Michael now, it would take me a while to- I'm not going to lie. I would be like, fuck. Yeah, but the little Michael's going to grow into the big Michael, you know?

Starting point is 00:11:04 Let me tell you something. If a man said, if I had to choose between you, the grown woman, or you, the little girl, we would be off. This would be over. Yeah, it'd be over. I might choose you at 12. I'm not joking. You were so cute.

Starting point is 00:11:15 No, but the context being, obviously, we've known each other, but you met your husband around the same time that we met. It was like eighth grade. Yes, yes. Lauren and I met when we were 12 years old. When's the first time you saw your husband? I was picking up attendance cards in English class. I just moved cities and I met him and I was like, he's so cute. And he thought I had great legs walking back to the

Starting point is 00:11:32 cafeteria. And here we are. We've been married 21 years. So when you guys met, did you automatically start dating? No, I just, I thought he was super cute. I, no one liked me when I got there. I, you know, it was like, get to the back. Can't sit here. Very Forrest Gump, right? I ended up, one of my best friends to this day, I'm the godmother of her children, was the girl that said, you can't sit here. So it's just funny to think like how our lives have unfolded.

Starting point is 00:12:00 I'm like, so now, you know, my goddaughter, I'm like, why don't you ask your mom how she treated me in the eighth grade? So, So you guys didn't start dating right away. Yeah. Honestly, we did go to the eighth grade dance, which was like in May. And, you know, you start the school season in August. It was just towards the end of that school year. But yeah. And we made out in front of the garbage can before the eighth grade trip to Disney World. You know, I love it. Michael got kicked off the eighth grade trip to Disney World. I got kicked off the sixth, the seventh, the eighth. I never made it to the trip. He flicked off the... So when you're falling in love in eighth grade and you have a single mom

Starting point is 00:12:36 at home, what was that like? Did your mom support you being with a guy in eighth grade? Well, it was kind of funny because my husband as a 14-year-old was about 6'1", 196 pounds with a little bit of facial hair. So he didn't look like he was in my grade, first of all. Wow, Michael, he's two feet taller than you. That's about the opposite of me. I was about four foot one, no facial hair. Okay. So I was like, okay, but he was so cute. And I don't even know if that age, do you have a type, right? But I was just something about him. And he wasn't like this athlete and the star at this point.

Starting point is 00:13:09 I mean, we're in eighth grade, but he was just everything. I mean, I was head over heels. I have, I have a scrapbook from a bandaid. He wore to, you know, the corsage that I still have dried. That's barely a corsage anymore. I mean, I, I kept his chewing gum. Like I was obsessed with this kid. I was in love with this kid,

Starting point is 00:13:28 but we kicked it off from there and honestly never looked back. We ended up breaking up and this is where the story gets really good. I broke up with him our junior year of college. So all that way, it was Stephen Landon. That's a long time. Only him?

Starting point is 00:13:43 Only him, but here's the thing. You're not like sucking a dick in the bathroom? No, I'm not. I'm not. I swear. What the fuck were you doing, Lauren? You never know. I mean, hey, now they're doing that. If they weren't doing it in like 1992, they're doing it now. We were Stephen Landon, inseparable, truly. And then he got a full ride to Michigan. And so I stayed and went to school in truly. And then he got a full ride to Michigan. And so I stayed and went to school in Florida and I would take a Spirit Airline flight, $69, risk my entire life to go see my boyfriend. But we did the Groundhog Day kind of phone call. I mean, he had

Starting point is 00:14:16 practice, he had workouts, he had study table. I was doing this, which just got kind of got a little bit like, and we'd been together for so long. So I think we ran out of things to talk about. And something, thank God, I was this mature kind of girl. But I was like, if it's meant to be, it's going to work out. And so I broke up with him. Now, at this point, he's the star at Michigan, probably going to go into the NFL draft. It's a thing. I mean, he's a hot ticket.

Starting point is 00:14:43 And I literally just threw him to the wolves in Ann Arbor. And I was like, you know what? I hope you find someone that loves you. And I hope it's me. But right now, I think it'd be best if you had your college experience and I had mine. And wow. And I remember my girlfriends in my ear because I was always dating. So like going out with them wasn't a thing. We were always doing X, Y, and Z. So they're always like, yeah, break up with them, break up with them. And so I did. And it was, I think, necessary. And now we can talk about it and think like we didn't do that. Would we still be together? We went off to college and went back and forth. And then I started working and he would try to call and send my parents cards and things like that just to keep up like Happy Easter, you know. And I was like, I don't think this is breaking up if we're still chatting. And so that was that. Fast forward, he gets drafted. He's getting ready to be drafted and recruited. He goes to IMG to work out with his agent. My mom called me one day at lunch and had this really weird feeling. And it's like noon. And I call her. I'm like, hey, what you doing? I was like,

Starting point is 00:15:42 I'm just taking a lunch break. And she goes, you're never going to guess who showed up here today. And I said, who? And she said, Steve Hutchinson. Like she had to say his last name. It's only been Steven Landon. I said, no kidding. And so I kind of did a full panic like, oh, my gosh. And I kind of been keeping up, but really trying to just go out with my girlfriends

Starting point is 00:15:58 and live my life. He shows up in my office. And I had nannied and babysit for this doctor I was working for. And so they're like, oh, my gosh, Steve's here. So the doctor's wife's like putting the makeup on me. She's like getting me all ready to go. And the doctor I worked for was needed an x-ray and the girl was out and I was like, I'll take the x-ray. And so they're like, well, just go out with him. And I said, no, you know what? I've waited my whole life for this. He can wait 10 minutes. Poor guy's like suit, tie, roses, sweating out in the lobby,

Starting point is 00:16:25 wondering if I'm going to come out or not. And I came out there and we walked downstairs and talked. He's like, we can get engaged. I called my agent. You can live with me at IMG. Let's do this thing. I'm like, wait a second. I can't just quit my job and go do this. I think we should get reacquainted. So meanwhile, I end up moving in. How much distance was this? A year and a half we were apart. And I end up moving in with all these NFL potential players and my husband and IMG outside of Bradenton, Florida. And they worked out. We worked out, went to the beach.

Starting point is 00:16:56 I made lunches for all these big guys that all went on to play in the NFL with Freddie Mitchell. I bet they all loved you. I mean, it was just funny. I was just like the girlfriend. I was like, what do you guys want to do today? You know, nothing else to do. We just kind of rekindled everything. And it was just super, super sweet. But it was one of those kind of fairy tale moments where like Prince Charming shows up and decides that he wants to spend his life with you. And so it was really sweet. And it's one of my favorite stories to tell. And then, you know, he gets drafted and we move out to Seattle. We're not engaged at this point or anything, but of course, it was just kind of a given. We move out there and he had meetings and

Starting point is 00:17:32 he came home from his meeting. I'm learning how to cook, right? This is where I get domestic. This is where living with Landon's coming into play because I grew up with a woman that's basically Martha Stewart. My mom was very much into entertaining. And by this time she had remarried and I was gifted like two half brother or stepbrothers rather. And it was just like the Brady Bunch. We had this great little life. And so I'm learning how to be domestic. And he comes home from work and he is Johnny on the spot, like on time, five minutes late, something's wrong. And so he calls and with his signing bonus, he decided to buy a brand new truck. And so he buys this truck. I grew up with brothers and stuff. And I'm like, this isn't right. And he said, something's wrong with the steering on it. So can you go in the garage? So I've got

Starting point is 00:18:13 the cordless phone. I'm like trying to get all the tools. And I come down to this dirt turnoff by our house. He's standing there with his hands on the hips and he crawls underneath the truck. And he's like, all right, just turn the wheel, turn the wheel. I'm like, okay. He's like, here, hold this. It was like a bolt and then another bolt. And then the third one was the ring. And I was like, what? And I, you know, in the middle of this like dirt turnoff on the highway, everyone's driving home from work. Everyone's honking. He's on one knee. And it was really sweet because I think going out to dinner and really doing it a traditional engagement, I would have gave it away. But we got engaged and we went to Arby's.

Starting point is 00:18:50 I love it. That's amazing. That's our story, but I love it. Arby's is damn good, by the way. I still have the bolts. That is so cute. With this chewing gum and your course. Yeah, everything in a scrapbook.

Starting point is 00:19:03 Do you keep all my... I don't. I mean, what do you want me to keep? I don't know, locks of my hair. I don't have locks and your course. Yeah. Everything in a scrapbook. Do you keep all my. I don't. I mean, what do you want me to keep? I don't know. Locks of my hair. I don't have locks of your hair. I'm sorry. Not anymore.

Starting point is 00:19:10 That's when you're like. I didn't go that deep. I feel like you had locks of my hair. Yeah. I would sneak into your bed. My bubble tape is in your room. So. So when you're getting engaged or when you're the girlfriend of someone in the NFL and there's all

Starting point is 00:19:25 these men around and all this testosterone and there is infidelity, what is that like for you to actually see behind the curtain? Because you say you're making sandwiches for them. You're seeing like, for instance, I worked at a bar when I was in college and it was all super wealthy men. And I was able to sort of see behind the curtain of what it looks like when all these men are away from their wives. What was that like for you? The NFL is a very interesting place. There's a lot of downtime and there's a lot of travel and these guys have money and it's, you know, I mean, they're in shape. They're in shape. I mean, they're living the dream. I mean, women, it's not so much like the men and the testosterone. It's more the women and the estrogen that it was a very threatening almost place to

Starting point is 00:20:13 probably be in if you're not in the right mindset, because I can imagine feeling super insecure. And I mean, his first NFL game, I was coming from a college mindset. So I'm wearing like jeans, team sweatshirt, like a hat. Like I'm 20 something years old. Like I'm figuring it out. These women are coming down in the coats and the jackets and the whole thing. And I'm like, I do not belong here.

Starting point is 00:20:35 Like what in the world? You're talking about the wives or just like- The wives, the girlfriends. I mean, here's the thing about the NFL and it's sad but true. But like the wives are in the first row and the girlfriends are three rows back. No. Oh, yeah. I've been to training camps where, you know, the girlfriends are in a hotel down the street and the wives are there with the kids at the picnic.

Starting point is 00:20:53 Nobody knows anything. Now, it wasn't anyone that I knew personally, but you just know. It just happens. And I'm not like, you know, blanket statement to the entire NFL or any professional sport. But I mean, it does get a little bit of a stereotype where you kind of know. And that's always everyone's question. Like, what's it like to be an NFL wife? And I'm like, what's it like to work at the insurance company? I mean, it's the same thing. You know, it's like I love these women and I respect them. There's some I want to hang out with and some I don't want to hang out with.

Starting point is 00:21:20 And I think it's like any other job. But it is interesting. You know, a lot of them are resentful just because I think they gave up whatever career and life they had for their husband to go on and run with this. But in my mind, I was gifted a position and fell in love with a wonderful man that happened to be very good at what he did. And I took that on as my job. So my job became, I'm going to be the best wife. I'm going to keep myself in shape. I'm going to run a great house. I'm going to make some beautiful kids. I just kind of owned it. These are controversial statements to make these days. Yeah. What? I said, these are controversial statements to make these days. It's like very, like more traditional role. Here's the thing. a 50s wife at heart no one can take that away from me i want a dinner around the table i don't think there's anything wrong no i don't

Starting point is 00:22:09 think there is either and i think it's honestly like a lost art i mean it's just kind of turning into a different thing but that's me and that's how i run my life that's my family dynamic that's how i continue to you know foster a great marriage and raise good kids and just keep a very good foundation. Like all I have and all I can control in this world is my house and what happens inside of it. So there's a lot of shit going on in the world, but that's what I can keep close to home. And so I just took that on. That was my job. And I was like, I'm not going to complain about it. There's a million people that trade places with me. Like, I mean, the bitching that would go on about like, oh, I can't believe like he's traveling again and I got to do this. And I was just like, what is wrong with you guys?

Starting point is 00:22:54 You know, really? I mean, you're very you're in a very, you know, you're in a lucky position to have this lifestyle that not everyone has. I mean, money is not everything. Don't get me wrong. To me, I've always said like my relationship and my family and what Steve and I have is like the cake. And like, yeah, there's some icing in there. But at the end of the day. I think what's cool too, it seems to me, as an outsider of your marriage,

Starting point is 00:23:18 is that you were really there for him when he was blowing up. And I don't know now, but it seems like you now are traveling. You're traveling here. You're this big social media personality. I'm sure he gives you the same respect at this time. It's been like give and take. And I think that's what a marriage should be built on because we have both been successful on our own right and individually together. And we have done like a changing of the guard. Like he passed the baton to me. I mean, he retired over 10 years ago. And, you know, I just dug in and never even thought about what I wanted to do, because what I wanted to do was what was what was in front of me, which was raising my kids,

Starting point is 00:24:03 learning how to, you know, have a beautiful home and a happy home. And those are the things I focus on. Those are my gifts. I'm super creative. I love to entertain. I love paint colors. I love cooking like all of those domestic kind of things I just embraced. And I was just grateful to be able to stay home with my kids and like create that life because then he could come home after work. And the reason I truly believe behind every successful man is a is a really good woman, because there is a reason he was able to do what he did on the field, because at home everything was in control. And so that was my gift to him was to keep shit in check, tight and right. And that way,

Starting point is 00:24:42 when he came home, we didn't have any issues and i also never ever and i tell this to women all the time on my website i have my marriage rules and they start one through ten i think tell us some tell us some please the first one is never say no you rally are you talking about for sex yeah i completely agree i say that all the time you just you just do it when you get into it you're're going to like it. We've done shows with people and they don't like when she says that. No, people got mad at me because they were saying- What do they call it? A pick-me girl or something?

Starting point is 00:25:12 A pick-me girl. What is it? I never heard of it. I don't know, but I don't get the concept. It means that I'm trying to appeal to a man by going with the man's vibe. I have a lot of male energy. I must be like I have more testosterone than most women. I'm not really of male energy. Like I'm very, I must be like, I have more testosterone

Starting point is 00:25:26 than most women. I'm not real sure. No, but I never got this concept. It's like, listen, Lauren and I were talking in the car there and I think to your point and kind of reinforcing

Starting point is 00:25:34 what you're saying, I think outside of the decision to kind of take care of yourself individually and make sure you're an upright person and all that stuff is good. But I think the most important

Starting point is 00:25:43 decision you make in your life is like who you decide to be with. Right. Because I know individually I would probably be fine. Lauren be fine. But together we're much more than we would be apart. Right.

Starting point is 00:25:52 And like I would, there's no way I would have had any of the success I've had personally or professionally or with my family without Lauren, obviously. And I try to tell all my, my young guy friends that like think chasing tail is the end all be all. I'm like, at some point you're going to want to have this support. Don't go too long. So we have a friend that's in his 40s

Starting point is 00:26:08 that's dating 18-year-olds. And I'm like, enough. Yeah. And it's hard then, right? He's like, why are they like this? I'm like, why are they like this? Because they're 18. That's why they're like this. You're like, throw them to my son. Honestly, it's about time. I feel like when you pick the right partner, everything feels like together, right? You're not just building things on your own. And when you're dating and doing all these things, you're kind of moving in different directions all the time. But no, I mean, I think it's one of the things that has made our marriage successful is we have a great sex life. And I don't go wanting. I don't know what's so bad about, not that you think it is, but I'm just saying in general, getting the hate for that. what's wrong with having a great sex life well i i think it's so important when it's

Starting point is 00:26:49 not there i don't want to marry someone that i don't want to bend over for number one i'm sorry like i don't want to be with someone the rest of my life very next to someone that i'm like oh but let me just say something again let me just say something very honest if you're at home and the woman you're with is denying these from you how could you be shocked or upset or surprised if they seek it somewhere else men are men one thousand percent i think about that all the time like i'm a lot of times in the man's corner cheering him on because sometimes i'm like ladies ladies ladies come back reel it back in because this is just like let's, ladies, ladies, come back, reel it back in, because this is just like, let's just think about it here. I wake up every day just thinking like,

Starting point is 00:27:31 I of course think about myself. I don't want anyone to think I'm like, oh, Steve, Steve, Steve. But I do wake up and think every day, like, how can I make his life better? Like, we're in a partnership. We are a good team. There's going to be good give and take. There's going to be sacrifice. We've had ups. We've had downs. We've had the lows of the lows and the highs of the highs. But at the end of the day, you have to choose to love someone when maybe you don't like them that day. Yeah. And I'll tell you this, any guy that's out there being like, oh, babe, it's okay. I don't really need it. They're lying to you. They're fucking lying to you. They're just saying it because they don't want to have a fight. They care. They're mad. They're thinking about it.

Starting point is 00:28:04 It's just human nature. I see men in those type of situations whether it be someone i know we know or another like relationship from afar and not like i know the answer to what's going on behind closed doors but there are a lot of things that i'm like and it has nothing not always to do with sex or their intimacy or whatever but just like i look at it and i want to strip it down and be like i think i kind of see his point like can you just take it down a notch and like meet him halfway you you guys have similars i feel like probably you're the girl of all where the guys your your husband's friends probably come to you with their frustrations about i'm sure yeah and also i'm just like let's let's just take the bitch out of it like let's just break it down and i i just i sometimes want to shake some of my

Starting point is 00:28:45 friends well it's like listen i'm gonna be this is to maybe bash it's we don't need that much time either just give us a little bit of time i think too like you need to put out there what you want so i talk to women all the time and they're like he never eats me out and i'm like well do you give him a blowjob no i don't like to do that, if he's never eating you out and you're never giving him a blowjob. What do you want? You get what you get. Yeah, you got to put it out there. Like, for me, I'm like, blow my husband.

Starting point is 00:29:18 It's my husband. If you're not going to do that, then don't expect it to be reciprocated. Well, and also let's take that and let's apply that to everything else in our marriage. Yes. If I want to be treated, it's like the old saying, treat someone the way you want to be treated. If you want him to do things for you, then do things for him. And you also, I think, need to really dig into this love language, which is just like

Starting point is 00:29:44 for Steve, it's like acts of service. That means like him loving me is filling my car up with gas and making sure X, Y and Z and cooking me a beautiful meal. And like he he loves to take care of us as a family unit. That is his love language. I'm a little more like physical touch. I want to hug. Let's whatever. But I have to remember, like, that's how he gives loves and feels love. So I think about like I'm going to make sure I unload the dishwasher and make sure the coffee pot has water in it before he shuffles out there at 5 30 a.m it's like the little things i think that really keep a marriage going and like apply that to anything and everything like if i'm bitching in him about something that i'm not

Starting point is 00:30:19 doing for him then how can i bitch yep 100 You can apply the blowjob eating out theory to anything. If you're not blowing them, don't expect them to eat you out. If you're not filling the fucking coffee pot, don't expect them to fill your goddamn gas tank.

Starting point is 00:30:34 Well, I think what it comes down to is like, I think the mistake that I see and especially some, and I'll just speak from the male perspective.

Starting point is 00:30:40 Some of my guy friends that get older and older and more set in their ways and more particular and more specific, which I think is like a total mess because they only are like if anything's outside of their specificity but like people think they just bring themselves to a relationship and it's

Starting point is 00:30:52 like i need to do exactly what i want to do all the time without making any accommodations or sacrifices it's just going to work out and someone's going to love me for who i am it's it's total bullshit it's not true yeah well like a marriage honestly is taking a lot of chapters and putting them in one book and like hoping it all the story flows so it's like you've got to be able to edit a little bit of that and put it together but you have to remember they're coming to the table the way they were raised i mean i see the way my husband will raise our kids and the way i raise our kids and how we do it together, the empathy comes back to like, I see why you're doing that. Like that was how you were parented, X, Y, and Z. So it's just kind of like navigating that. Also, you end up, if you are lucky enough

Starting point is 00:31:36 to be married to someone that you love and you have a long marriage, you'll be married to three different people. Sure. I mean, listen, we've evolved again. We're about to evolve again. Like we have to grow together. Great point. And so I have to like kind of check in with myself sometimes. You know, like I've had, he's had a career, I've had a career.

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Starting point is 00:37:22 like i never felt like i wasn't loved it's just't like, you know, my mom wasn't like petting my hair and going to sleep. I want you to pet my hair. But I've had to, I've had to adjust myself and understand like that's her love language. I'm much more like acts of service. Like I feel like if people are doing- See, you're like Steven Landon over here. If you don't massage my feet every morning, I will go to the foot spa and get two guys on each foot. So, and I'm just putting it out there. What are your other rules for marriage? Oh gosh. Never say no. What are some of the other ones? I mean, honestly,

Starting point is 00:37:50 I feel like I honestly just covered them and like didn't necessarily broke them up. It's so long since I wrote that. I'm trying to think what some of the other ones were. I mean, they're pretty, I'm trying to think, I honestly feel like I covered a lot of them in just what we were just talking about. Then we can move on. I feel like you covered them. I just want to know if there's anything specific. No, I'm trying to think if there's anything. Well, another one that is very important is dating your husband.

Starting point is 00:38:15 Yeah. Talk about that. It's just a priority. It's like a doctor's appointment, working out, anything else we got to do. It's just a priority. And I know a lot of times life gets in the way and people are like, I can't go and I can't afford a babysitter. Totally get it. Like we've been at all different stages in our life. And we even getting like a public sub and sitting in a parking lot is a date to me. Like it was just anything.

Starting point is 00:38:38 Sometimes when the kids were really little, we'd have to go like run errands or get diapers and do different stuff. But it was just like the time together. And as that's happening, because I think the other mistake people will make, and I've seen it happen just in some of my mom's friends and stuff. It's like they put so much into their kids and then the kids go off and they wake up one day and they're like, who the hell are you? And I don't want to wake up next to my husband 20 years. And when our kids go off and just we put everything into our kids and never continue to feed our marriage. And I just I want to have like those are going to be our greatest years in two years. Who knows what we're going to do? You know, we're just going to have

Starting point is 00:39:15 like this time and we're young enough to like go do things and enjoy our kids. And so I think it's very important to invest. By the way, I think the kids pick up on, like, I think they're going to emulate the relationship they see. 100%. So like if they see, you know, if they don't see a solid affectionate relationship, they're going to grow up and think that that's normal. Yeah. If they don't see you massaging my feet every morning. Towns is not going to do that. Yeah. Towns. He's going to be, he's going to, poor kids can be out the window looking at the massage parlor with two guys on your feet. How do you continue to spice it up? I'm sure you get asked this all the time.

Starting point is 00:39:48 You've been married for a long time. What are, what are the ways besides the woo treasure kit that I gave you? Yeah, when you said that, it literally said like land it. I was like, what is this? This is like Pandora's box. Yes, definitely keeping it spicy. You got to try new things. You got to be open-minded.

Starting point is 00:40:11 I mean, you can stay in the same position and keep riding it out, but things do get dull. Yeah, literally, right? I didn't even mean to say that, but yes. But I think it's, I mean, everything and anything you can try. I mean, toys, different positions, put a wig on. I don't know, do something. Don't look at me. I put a wig on.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Lauren made the most awkward stranger. We did this like, it sexy stranger oh my god what is it we told the story on the show i do remember hearing that the sexy stranger for anyone that wants to do it correctly is you go to a place and you pick either like one picks up the other as like a sexy stranger lauren booked like one of our favorite. Giorgio Baldi. It's a tiny little restaurant. She booked our favorite dinner spot, which is an intimate spot. So people are like,

Starting point is 00:40:49 I already know them. And there's a person like, if I went like this, I'd hit the next table and this, and she was dressed up in a, and it's a restaurant we go to. It's a place we go regularly. So they're like,

Starting point is 00:40:57 what are these people doing? And there was no sexy stranger about it. It was like, Hey, like my wife's just in a wig in a very awkward setting. I'm going to do it again. I'm going to do it again. Okay. You have one of the most engaged communities that I've ever seen online. First of all, I'd like for you to say how you even fell into this. It sounds like you're doing all these things at home for your husband.

Starting point is 00:41:22 How did you start to sort of pick up a following online? Well, first of all, I had no social media. My grandmother had Facebook. My kids at the time are two and four, probably four or five. And they lived away in New York and they wanted to see the kids. And so I was like, I never had MySpace. I never did any of that stuff. And so she's like, can you get on Facebook so I can see the kids? And I'm like, sure. And then my brother was like, yeah, get on there. Get on there. So that's kind of like I got a Facebook page. And then it kind of started evolving like that.

Starting point is 00:41:54 Now, mind you, I am the exact same person I was when I was just staying home with kids or growing up or anything. If anything makes me feel the best is when I'll run into some of my mom's friends and like, you're the same girl that babysat my kids. I'm like, yeah, did you want me to change? Because this is just who I am. I've always just been very authentic with who I am. It's just easier that way when you're pretending to be someone else. It's really exhausting. And so I just always was me. But I loved like cooking and figuring out a paint color.

Starting point is 00:42:26 I mean, I painted our first laundry room probably eight shades of yellow because I couldn't figure it out. And I learned how to garden and I learned how to I just I just really dove into that. I really enjoyed it. Very domestic. Like I said, I grew up with kind of a Martha Stewart-esque woman. A little Belinda's got a little switch going, but she it was the lines in the carpet and the tweezers to put on the Christmas cookie sprinkles.

Starting point is 00:42:46 Like she took it to another level. Oh, my God. I'm getting tweezers for my. But I loved her and her home was always so inviting and people always over. And I just wanted to emulate that. I enjoyed that so much. And I'm just such a people person. And so my neighbors, you know, I'm just kind of figuring this all out. We're like, what's a good recipe? I loved what you brought last time. Or people would start stopping me on the street. Like, where do you get your haircut? And I love your shirt. And I'm the girl that in the grocery store

Starting point is 00:43:10 to be like here, actually it's this. And I got here and it was on sale. And here's the website. Like I still do that to this day. So all those people that say they don't know where they got their shirt. I can't. They're not our people. No, I can't. No. I bet you know exactly where you got it, how much it was and everything. So i just some share overshare probably so i started doing that why do women do that by the way i don't i honestly don't know like i always wondered i've seen what are you gonna keep a secret it happened to me i know i've seen it i've seen i said where'd you get your kaftan and she goes i don't know yes you do oh and i'm sitting there googling like eyelet casting i'm like bitch i'm gonna find where you guys even even men and like we're not the most like we know where we get our shit

Starting point is 00:43:50 right like i like someone's like hey where'd you get that i'm like oh this is like john elliott it's very easy for me to tell you that because i it's shot the three t-shirt places i don't know it's you know i don't know why they do that but they're gonna be the only one that's in it exactly dummies so i started sharing and one thing led to be the only one that's in it. Exactly. Dummies. So I started sharing and one thing led to another and I started that little Facebook page. I remember making this little living with Landon, like online, like making it look, I think it had, it looks so stupid. It was like Chevron with like a cursive Landon, like pink and white. And I'm like, so 19 or 2000 and whatever. So that kind of happened. And then

Starting point is 00:44:26 Steve was playing for the Vikings at this time. And so everyone, I mean, in the Midwest, football is just a big deal. And so the local news station was like, oh, you're so good at like doing a little tailgate spread and everything. You want to come on and do like a little spot. And so I like did that. I'm like, oh, that was fun. And so I just, I'm very comfortable around other people and I love sharing that kind of stuff. And so I just started sharing and sharing more and more. So I was like, do people really care? Like outside my mom and my sisters. And so it just kind of evolved to that. And next thing you know, I decided to get Instagram and like we picked up and moved to Nashville and I'm continuing to do all this throughout. But then something in it and Steve

Starting point is 00:45:05 retired and I was like, I really like this. Like I didn't know you could make money. I didn't know anything about affiliate marketing. I knew literally nothing. LTK. I knew nothing. I knew nothing. And so I got this girl to take some pictures of me and brand and do my logo that it is today. And my husband said, well, what are you going to do? Are you going to just go ahead and do it? I mean, I'm home. And I think he was kind of like trying to figure out what he was going to do. He's like, I'm home with the kids. I missed out on that time. Like, if you want to go take this on and be busy doing it, go for it. So I just started doing it. So fast forward, going through the motions. And I remember getting onto reward style at the time, or like it to know it whatever it was and i started linking

Starting point is 00:45:45 i think the first thing i linked was my cutting board my salt and pepper shaker and i like sent it out into the world and all of a sudden like people were buying and i'm like wait a minute this is how this works like i had no clue so in my mind they had this email that came through that said be invited to the reward style conference or whatever and i was thinking like you know what i'm gonna put that on my goal in like two years i'm gonna get to the reward style conference or whatever. And I was thinking like, you know what, I'm going to put that on my goal. And like two years, I'm going to get to the reward style concert conference. Cause you have to have a certain amount of like whatever sales or followers or whatever. Literally three months later from starting this, I got the thing that said I was one of the top 100 influencers in the country. And I was like, what? Like it would happen like

Starting point is 00:46:24 that. It was wild. And I was like, I don't even know what I'm doing. And I was like, what? Like it would happen like that. It was wild. And I was like, I don't even know what I'm doing. And I'm not even like doing anything like this isn't even work. I'm just having fun. I'm on here just talking about things that I love. You must be one of their top sales now. I don't know. You know, it's really funny. I'm not driven by like money or numbers, which is probably a terrible way to think in a business mind. But I am just more fulfilled by like knowing I help somebody that day. It's probably, well, it's probably why you have in a business mind. But I am just more fulfilled by like knowing I help somebody. That's probably, well, it's probably why you have the engagement you have.

Starting point is 00:46:49 Because I think if you go the other route and people know all about the money. But you've got to be one of the top influencers now for reward style. I think so. It's funny. I don't even talk to my rep and no one talks to me. I'm just on autopilot doing my thing. But it's kind of funny because I had a unique situation. I wasn't doing this to pay my thing. But it's kind of funny because I had a unique situation. I wasn't doing this to

Starting point is 00:47:05 pay my mortgage. I was just doing it because it's fun and it's still fun. And when it's not fun anymore, I'm not going to do it anymore. And that's what it is. That's really how it is. So I've kind of been really doing it, doing it for I think I was like 40 when this happened. So like six years or so I was doing little bits of it like back in Minnesota, but not until I got to Nashville that I really turned it on. And then next thing you know, it was just like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. I decided to put on my first conference myself. I sold tickets in like 90 seconds to 500 women. I didn't have a venue. I didn't have food. I didn't have anything. I was like, would you guys come? Because I'd meet them in the grocery store or Target and they'd be like, I just love you. Like, you're like my best friend. I didn't have anything I was like would you guys come because I'd meet them in the grocery store or Target and they'd be like I just love you like you're like my best friend I didn't know I

Starting point is 00:47:48 needed and I just thank you so much for showing me this Target t-shirt and and making this dinner that my kids actually eat it was just like that all the time and I was just like so moved and these women you said something earlier about like what you put out is what you get back but truly I feel like I am it's a boomerang like I am literally just giving away like anything to help these women, whether that's, you know, their marriage, parenting. I mean, those are some of my top questions. A good dinner, paint color for your living room, what you're going to wear on your date night. Like I'm just always a helper. I always have been. And so the fact that it like morphed into something where it's like a brand is kind of wild

Starting point is 00:48:26 to me. I mean, it's still like makes me giddy to think that I'm doing something that's really helping people. It's also successful. And at one point I had like 22 employees and simple IRAs and all this stuff. I mean, it just really took off crazy. And you don't have that anymore. You didn't want to go. I had a store and I winded that down because my daughter was about to go to college. And again, I'm doing it because it's fun and it became so taxing and managing people is not fun. Oh, I'm sorry. I love people. I love it. I really love it. It's just, it's just hard. It's just hard. And I just don't know if I'm like cut out to do it or I think I'm a great boss. I'm really fair.

Starting point is 00:49:10 I honestly have probably not very good boundaries and I get in too deep. I just get friendly with everyone and there's no cut off. It is really challenging. You are good at it though. Don't act like you're, he's, he knows. Carson, what do you think? He knows how to keep a church in state. Yeah, I'm not.

Starting point is 00:49:32 I'm, you know. You know what the problem is when you are, I guess, maybe running a team or an organization is you, it's a, I don't know if I've ever said this in this way, but it's a little bit lonely in a sense because you don't get to have the same camaraderie that everybody else on the team has. Because at some point, there's always the person that has to kind of be like the quote unquote dad in the room or mom in the room. And you have to kind of like set the standard or kind of like lay the foundation of the law. And it creates a weird dynamic where like maybe you can't go and do what everybody else is doing at the happy hour. But at the same time, there has to be somebody that's at the top that's being responsible.

Starting point is 00:50:11 And so I think sometimes that people get in that position. They don't realize like, oh, maybe it's not like what you see in a movie where at the top and everyone's just high-fiving. Because at some point, you have to have a tough conversation. Yes. And I got better at that, but I was still wanting to have fun and do all the fun stuff with my team. And I just didn't really know where to cut it off. But I mean, we're rolling. We got warehouses. We got people. I'm hiring women to help me run this thing and be in charge of it all. And I've gotten shit on and I've gotten

Starting point is 00:50:45 ripped off. I mean, it's so much because I had so much going on at the same time that I was like, am I able to do any all of it? Well, what do you mean you've gotten shit on and ripped off? What does that mean? I mean, like I had a warehouse. I had a store. I was sending product out. And just, you know, when you can't be at the warehouse every day and you think you've hired someone to sit at the warehouse and make sure, you know, there's just a lot going into it. But I will tell you at the end of the day, I am so grateful for every single person, good, bad, ugly, every experience, because man, I have learned more in the last six years than I've learned my entire life. I am still evolving. I'm still figuring it out. And it is, you'd think I would

Starting point is 00:51:26 have been like, I never want to do that again. That was the worst year, but there's something in it that is really allowing me to see the lesson. And I don't know how I came to that, but I'm like, now I'm just a little wiser. I know what to look for. I know that not everyone's great. But it is. I mean, like it could be one of the most rewarding experiences. I just think it requires somewhat sometimes of a little bit of a different mindset because you have to like one day you're at the happy hour. The next day you're letting someone go. It's hard.

Starting point is 00:51:56 It's hard when you're your profession is a creative, a creative because you want to spend your energy towards creating and then you have to come in and like manage and you just want to go back to creating kind of yeah well i wasn't i was getting to the point where i was having to play manager like that and be the bad guy or be the police and i was less and less creative i felt so bogged down that i they'd be like hey what do you want to do for this launch or whatever and i I'm like, I would sit there. It was like the first time in my life where I'm like, I don't have a freaking good idea. And I hated that. And I was like that. I just felt the weight of everything else. And I'm like, this isn't because you're wasting, not wasting, but you're taking your energy towards doing things that maybe you weren't put here to do. Yeah. Those

Starting point is 00:52:41 are not my gifts. That's self-awareness. You have extreme self-awareness. Yeah. Like even through talking, you're very self-aware. Why do you think that is? I think it happened in the last few years. It's so it's it's evolved. Oh, yeah. I am. I'm just talk about like being married to another person like I am another person now, a better version of myself. There's more depth there myself there's more depth there there's more understanding there's more forgiveness there's more empathy and again might come with age also but something has transpired in the universe here that has just made me see things in a whole different way and I always thought I was very like you mentioned therapy has that been instrumental

Starting point is 00:53:23 I love therapy yeah that's my self-care i mean some people probably go get a massage every week i like to go to therapy john and peter when did you when did you start therapy was this always or was this later in life i started therapy my first little escapade with therapy was actually when I first got married because my son, my husband is a only child and I was navigating my relationship with my mother-in-law, also taking on like my new role as a wife and a stay at home or, you know, like a housewife or whatever you want to call it. And just figuring out his career and all the spotlight and also quitting my job, moving halfway across the country and trying to figure out like, what am I doing? Who am I? And I didn't

Starting point is 00:54:11 know what to do with that. Somehow I just came to maybe I should go ask for some help. And so I sat down with this guy and he he he gave me so many great tools that I continue to pull out of my tool belt of just like, you know, when Steve gets home from work or comes home from something, I'm trying to get dinner on the table. He's like, I was like, I feel like I can't listen to him and I'm trying to give him my undivided attention and stuff. And he's like, well, maybe make the dinner for 15 minutes after he gets home just so

Starting point is 00:54:37 you can have that time when he walks through the door, just like little things like that. And hey, your mother-in-law, she wants to come visit all the time. It's her only son. I get it. But I didn't want to be the bitchy wife. I didn't want it to come between our marriage. And so I needed some tools to navigate how I was going to interact with her and figure this out because we'd known each other a long time and I didn't want to not like her and I didn't want her to not like me. And so I did a lot of work to figure that out. And she never knew

Starting point is 00:55:01 that until 10, 15 years in our marriage. But I behind the scenes was like, I'm not, he didn't even know for six months I was going. I just was like, I'm going to figure out how to deal with this. So that was my first go. And then that really got me through a lot. And then probably in the last three years, I think. And then I was like, I'm going, this is going to be my thing weekly. One thing that I have learned in the last two years is the importance of building muscle, especially for women. And we were lucky enough to have Dr. Shannon, the creator of Evlo Fitness, on the show. And she just talked to us about how important it is to develop lean muscle mass, but not wreck your body. So she has this thing called gentle consistency.

Starting point is 00:55:51 And basically what it is, is it's staying consistent, but not being super hard on the body, but also building muscle. So it's way more effective than slamming your body into the ground for a brief period of time and then stopping because you're hurt. I'm a huge fan of her method because I think it's great to have something that builds muscle, but also doesn't fry your nervous system. Her workouts are super structured, so you know exactly what you're doing and which muscle groups you're working on each day.

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Starting point is 00:57:07 and that is your shower. What is coming out of your showerhead? I learned so much about this on the episode with the Vitaclean founders. Literally, my mind was blown. I changed all the showerheads in our house to Vitaclean. Vitaclean is a triple filtered vitamin C infused aromatherapy showerhead that removes toxins and nasties from your shower. So a lot of the water that's coming out of our showerheads are irritating our skin. It's causing acne. It's literally making your hair look dull and your skin. And I think that this is such an underrated beauty tip because everyone is so worried about what they're putting on their skin or in their hair, but they're not actually thinking about the water that they're washing their hair and face with and their legs. It's wild. I think

Starting point is 00:57:55 a big part of the reason I was getting a rash on my legs is because the water wasn't filtered. So now all the water in my house is filtered because of vitaclean you should know they offer six different scents for their vitamin c filters i think that this is one of the best kept secrets for glowing skin and glossy hair go to vitaclean.co today and use code skinny at checkout for 20% off that's vitaclean.co v-i-t-a-c-l-e-a-n.co to get your new shower head today. Use code skinny at checkout for 20% off shower head starter kits. And if you don't like it for any reason, they offer a 30 day money back guarantee. VidaClean.co, code skinny. You mentioned grit off air. What are some of those things that you think have added grit to your life?

Starting point is 00:58:46 For sure. Definitely being raised by a single mom, just watching her, even though I didn't know how hard it was, now I can look at that and I see the sacrifice and the things she's done and I can thank her over and over again for giving me that gift. Did you never have a relationship with your father? I just recently this year, haven't seen him in nine, 10 years, probably never really had a relationship. So my grandmother was ill and I didn't tell anyone I was coming to town. They live in a town in upstate New York, 400 people. Where in New York? They're in upstate New York. They're in Keene Lake Placid area. My mother grew up in Batavia, which is right outside Buffalo. I don't know if that's-

Starting point is 00:59:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a little more north. This is almost near Canada. Okay. And so I just got a rental car and I drove there and I went back to like, we lived in a deer camp with no heat and like a picnic table in the middle of like the woods. Like I just wanted to go back as an adult. A lot of people are trying to go to those places now. That's the hot new ticket.

Starting point is 00:59:50 I mean, it was so like grounding for me, but I was like, I'm going to go back here because it was the first time in my life that I looked at myself and thought my father is half of who I am, yet I've never even looked at myself and even knew what to look for to find him. And I just needed to get centered. I needed to go back there. I needed to go through pictures and be in a familiar spot when I was younger and just go back there, even as a wife and a mother, but with no kids and no husband. And I felt like I was nine years old. Without prying too much, was this like your father's, like, was it a choice to not be around and him and your mother not get along? My mom and him, you know, they were young. They met at 18 at

Starting point is 01:00:34 a phone booth looking for a party, you know, fell in love, very in love. And, you know, he just made some different choices. I'll say that. And I think my mom was like, this isn't the life I want for me or my daughter. And so my grandmother that had passed, unbeknownst to him, would pack us up week by week. Grandmother, his mother? His mother. I think she could, she had a similar like a broken marriage. And I think she could just from the outside, see like, I want more for you guys. And so every week for months and months, she packed up a little bit of our stuff and then drove us to the airport one day and never been back yeah and sorry i'm not to interrupt you i just know to get the like i'm just trying to get the visualization yeah and so we went back so this

Starting point is 01:01:12 grandmother truly changed my life and it was one of those things where i almost wanted to go back thank her for knowing that my mom and i deserve something different. And my dad's not a bad guy. You know what I mean? He's remarried. I have two half sisters. Like we've had our, we've had good, nothing has ever been like really bad between my sisters and I, but we've been on stints where we're like together and chatting and very connected to just years of nothing.

Starting point is 01:01:42 It's just been a very interesting thing. I don't know if it's like an out of sight, out of the mind, but my mom remarried and I had a great father figure and I had my grandfather and great men in my life. And so I just, I didn't have a void to fill, but there is some trauma there that I'm kind of like picking up on now, but I just needed to go back there, be centered, be a child again, tell her to her face how instrumental she was in changing my life because I wouldn't be sitting where I am today had she not driven us to the airport. Just like things like that, I think you start to go back into as you're getting older. And so it was a very like healing

Starting point is 01:02:14 thing. I just sat next to it on a bench seat with my dad in a truck and asked him like, I want your side of the story. I only know my mom's side or what I've gathered over the years, but I really want to know like who you are, who was Kevin at 19, you know, the choices that you made. And he, we've openly talked about what those choices are. And that's just what he made. It just wasn't the life for my mom and I. And so we went off to do our own thing, but there's, there's just something in there and like finding where the grit came from and all these events that unfolded in my life to get me to this point. And, you know, it just it wasn't always easy. I worked when I was really young to just put groceries on the table. Like

Starting point is 01:02:55 I always just had a really big work ethic. I had to. It was like a survival thing. You know what I mean? And just knowing like the comfort food of the cereal, where that came from, you know, all these little kind of things. But I'm always just had this energy and light about me that I just want to pour onto other people. And that something through all of that, and there's just so much more to the story is just like made me want to shine above it all. And so it's just like my way of like giving is just like helping and bringing the positivity to so many things. And I just have always looked at everything's, you know, the glass is half, I mean, is half full, right? Half full. As kind of new parents, I mean, Zaz is three, Towns is one. What are some of your parenting tips that you think have looking back on you raising your kids that you just like

Starting point is 01:03:45 love? I believe that you can be a parent and you can be a friend. I think a lot of people are like, you can only be the parent. You got to do this. It's always a lesson. Or you can just go have a blast with your kids and drink with them or whatever, you know, just like be off the rails with them. But I do think there's like a happy medium of those two things. I've also given it to them straight. I've always, always, it's black or white. Like, here's what's going to happen. If you jump off the playground, you're going to fall and there's going to be blood. Like, jump, but just letting you know what the, what the, what's going to happen, the repercussions of all that. So really, really honest. Also talking about things and observations going around. We have something called little like life lessons and we've numbered them. We're probably on

Starting point is 01:04:29 number like 368. I don't remember where we left off the last time, but now my kids are driving. So it's like, I don't get that car time with them, but we would sit and there could be a homeless man on the side of the road, or there could be something that happened at school. And we would just openly talk about all of that. And they would ask so many great questions at that age, and your kids are going to be coming into that time. And it was just very honest, open, just so they could see the world outside of this little bubble that we live in. People live differently. They see differently. They do differently. They make choices. This is the outcome. And so we just kept a very open dialogue. We danced a lot in the kitchen with

Starting point is 01:05:05 wooden spoons like we just were always having fun and my husband and I ended up kind of splitting our parenting into like good cop bad cop and so my husband's kind of will lay down the law and then I'll come up a little bit to the bedroom and soften things and it's just been a very it's worked really well for us and he's still very soft big teddy bear but it's just been a very, it's worked really well for us. And he's still very soft, big teddy bear, but it's just, it's, I mean, it seems like it's worked well. It's, it's worked well. So that's why I'm just so curious about your tips for marriage and parenting. Are there things you tell your kids that are maybe is not as popular now and in common

Starting point is 01:05:40 culture that, you know, especially with a daughter that you maybe tell her that just to maybe guard her against, you know, the world she's going into? Yeah, for sure. Lily's very independent, always has been from a toddler. She'd arch her back to get off my lap. She'd take her books and go to the corner. She's very strong-willed. She's much more like Steve. You know, she wants the trophy. She wants to win. She's super competitive. I'm over here. Luke's got a little edge now. I can see it kind of coming out of me just turned 16. But he's more like me.

Starting point is 01:06:13 Like, is everybody having a good time? You know, like we're just a little more not as competitive. I want everyone to win, you know. But like navigating all of that, she, both of my kids, I'm really glad my girl is like going to cut somebody and doesn't give an F. She doesn't. She'll be breaking hearts. And, you know, I feel like I could see my son crying on my bed, but not her.

Starting point is 01:06:36 You know what I mean? Like she's just a she's a very strong willed, always has been. But I I've tried to, I have to be quiet. I have to sit back. Like now they're 18. They've left the house. She's in college, going to be a sophomore. And I have to like, I sprinkle in my mom-isms,

Starting point is 01:06:55 but I have to like now, I hope I've taught her everything she needs when she walked through that door. And so now I'm kind of sitting back, but she comes to me all the time still, which feels really good. I think that's the most important thing. Yeah, she asked me a lot of advice now

Starting point is 01:07:11 and I'm so grateful for that. And we are tight, real tight. So cute. I can't maybe relate to you because we're still young parents, but I remember my relationship with my parents. I always felt like I could bring them anything. And it was helpful.

Starting point is 01:07:24 I never really got into drugs or stuff crazy. Cause like my dad would be like, yo, you can go and do a bunch of Coke, but like, this is going to happen. And it's probably laced with baby laxatives and it sucks now. And back when in the sixties, it was the good shit and you're having the bad stuff. Well, I don't want to do all that, but he was very like black and white to your point. And I always felt like if I drank too much or if I did something stupid, like they were the first phone call. I didn't feel like I had to go hide and run around. Yeah. Same. I I'm like, listen, I will not be mad. I will not judge you. You're going to make mistakes. This home right now is a safety net. Make them here. Make them here and then we'll

Starting point is 01:07:53 figure it out. And I was like, there's only a couple of things that could really, not ruin your life, but really change your life. It's like, do drugs, get hooked, die, right? Get pregnant, whatever, when you're not ready for that. I mean, those are things that are going to change your life that you just can't undo. Yeah, I think just keeping the communication is key. That is the biggest, biggest thing. Being a place and someone that they can come to

Starting point is 01:08:15 and not feel judged for sure. And I think having a good time. And sometimes you got to get down on their level. I know right now you're like probably on the floor getting down to their level, but at some point you're going to have to go back to the teenage Lauren and the teenage Michael and just kind of hope I can go back to the teenage Michael. I can't wait to go out to see it. If our kids are anything like we were teenagers, we're in some deep shit. I mean,

Starting point is 01:08:37 listen, and the other thing is you weren't born yesterday. Like you're, they're navigating all this, even like the friend drama and all of it. And I'm just like, we've all been there, but they got to go through it. I want to talk about beauty, plastic surgery. We're talking off air before we go. I mean, you have to come on again because there's so many questions that I could ask you, but you mentioned fat transfer implants. Tell us about your experience with that for anyone who's out there that wants to do the same thing.

Starting point is 01:09:04 Yes. So you and I were talking like I had implants when I was in college. So I'm like 19 or so. And they were ginormous. I felt like like I just I'm a tall girl with like broad shoulders. And this guy that I had gone to, Peter Kleiner, his name was back in in Virginia. He did like the Redskin cheerleader. So I think that's basically what I ended up looking like. And He did like the Redskin cheerleader. So I think that's basically

Starting point is 01:09:25 what I ended up looking like. And it's like the 2000s. Right. I never loved him, but I did breastfeed two kids. And as age and time went on, they started to kind of like sag and like feel like a real boob. And I'm like, OK, it's not bad. Then I read an article about like black mold. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I should probably get these things out or what do I do? I ended up doing that. And I got a really, really bad job in Nashville. Like I look like Frankenstein, like the guy had cut me and one was lopsided. And I was like, well, that wasn't really what I was going for. So I sat on that for years and years, probably five years. And Steve's like, it's fine. I'm like, I know. But when I take my

Starting point is 01:09:59 shirt off and look in the mirror, like it's not fine. Honestly, this is not what this should look like. And so I found Dr. Unger, Jacob Unger in Nashville, and he is a gift, y'all. He is just so talented, studied all over the world, loves to have you looking conservative and just like you, just a better version of you. And so I went in there. I was like, listen, I want him a little smaller. I also like this needs to be fixed X, Y and Z. And tell me more about this fat transfer. And so we ended up doing that. So we replaced them and much smaller. And I did like a fat transfer and I've never been happier. Like this is the way I should have looked the whole time. Yeah. So we ended up kind of, that was the part I felt like hurt the most or the recovery was the worst was that like you're in a sausage casing for like a good three months just to keep

Starting point is 01:10:45 the swelling down. That's that compression where it's like a nightmare. Yeah, it really is something else, especially it's hot in Nashville. But I went in and did that and he made a small incision in my bikini line and went in and took some fat from my inner thighs and on my sides. And I'm pretty straight waisted, like I was telling you. But I kind of have a little more of a waistline, which was nice. That was like a bonus. Honestly, at six in the morning, he was just going to take some from my thighs. And of course, we're coming off the holidays.

Starting point is 01:11:09 It's like January 10th. And I'm like, actually, I had a great holidays, lots of cookies, all kinds of fun stuff. And I was like, he's like, I can take a little there. I'm like, perfect. And so he did. And I love the results. I love how natural.

Starting point is 01:11:21 I just feel more like me. I actually can see the side of my body, which is something I've never seen before. I think they were just so offset. And so he just was like, that's what happens when you go too big. They widen out. I just felt like top heavy, honestly. They like when you go too big, anyone who's getting implants, they get wider and wider and wider.

Starting point is 01:11:40 So the trick is, I think it's really smart is to go a little bit smaller. And then it sounds like you mixed it with a fat transfer. Yeah. Which makes you look just more natural up top and what people can see, you know, in your bathing suit or in your clothes, everything is very, just like moves around, just feels really natural. So that was a game changer. And I just feel some work. Steve's getting another version of you and he's getting all different kinds of versions of your personalities, tits. I mean, it's a bag of fun. versions of your personalities tits i mean it's it's a bag of fun you know that's how i keep it uh going that's how i keep it interesting i get you know alterations lauren just wakes up with a new personality every day i was like here we go

Starting point is 01:12:15 i'm over here acting like i'm a gem i'm probably not well i also think like always keep them guessing like i never want to sometimes i'll have like all this information to share, but I'll spread the information out over dates. I'll save stuff. I'll be like, I'm going to talk about that subject on our next date. You have to constantly keep it interesting. You do. You do.

Starting point is 01:12:34 Because then it gets just kind of like, right. Yeah. You never want to be sick. Have you ever gone to a restaurant, everyone has, and you see the couple that's literally on their phone or not talking all the time? I never want to be that couple i i never want to do that i don't want to be married if i'm not a couple 100 it's awkward too because i always feel like those people are eavesdropping they're probably like what are they doing what are they talking

Starting point is 01:12:53 ear horn lauren call lauren i call it ear horn you know the people that got the big ear horn up next they're not talking to each other we're being pretty loud over here like they have to be when we go on our date nights like we'll get through whatever we're talking about and one of the things we like to do we love to play this on vacation is like life inspectors and so we'll be just like sitting there and the couple's like over there and i'm like we'll just literally play out their whole life so we're like okay that's bill and tammy and so he sells insurance and she works at the whatever and like whatever and what do you oh and then we like mimic what they're talking about and we laugh so hard it's just so funny because it's like i don't know you gotta laugh that's another part of marriage spicy if that's not a fucking great

Starting point is 01:13:28 tip i don't know what it is i mean it's fun it's fun and when you're sitting in your beach chair and you're just like watching people walk by i'm like oh here comes bill not bill's wife either is it you know bill's bill's girlfriend's sitting three yeah no it's uh you know you gotta landon i think you're incredible you have been such a supporter of the ice roller and pink balls thank you so much for i'm obsessed with that no thank you for like creating something that's real like i've had an ice roller or two but that baby stays cold and and here's the thing talking about just like influencing or whatever this is, like truly I will share only what I love and I want to buy it myself, use it myself, everything so I can stand behind it because I've really earned the trust of these women. And that thing is legit.

Starting point is 01:14:15 I gave it to every person I know for Christmas with some really cute pajamas. And I'm talking like everyone. It's a good gift. It's the greatest gift and everyone is obsessed with it. One of my friends, I gave it to her for Christmas and she sells it in her store now. So she ended up doing wholesale

Starting point is 01:14:31 with you guys. She's like, it's crazy. Everyone loves it. Everyone's messaging back after they got it. And you know, thank you so much for always like being sweet to my people

Starting point is 01:14:40 and give them a little code. But it's been great. I love that thing. Honestly, that means so much coming from you. It's such a big compliment. I know how serious you are about what you share. So thank you. Of course. Where can everyone support what you're doing by your products, follow you on Instagram, listen to your podcast, all the things? It's basically livingwithlandon across every channel. So livingwithlandon.com, livingwithlandon on Instagram. And I think that's where the fun is

Starting point is 01:15:05 truly. When I got started with this, Instagram stories had come out that one day I remember like, oh, you turn the camera on, you actually talk to somebody. So I was like, hey, this is what I'm doing today. And that has been the biggest jump in whatever this is. I think people really get, it's like FaceTiming a best friend. Half the time I don't have a bra on. I have a zit. I burnt the dinner. I was late picking up my kids. But that to me is, that's the good stuff. That's what's going on in everyone's life. And the very scripted, curated, beautiful pictures, I'm like, for me, that's just not where it's at because I just don't think perfection is pretty. And it's just life. And I think we're all in it kind of together.

Starting point is 01:15:45 And I think that's just where I have a good time. That's where we laugh. That's where we act stupid. That's where I don't say the right things. That's where I get everything wrong. It's just where it's at. Living with Landon, I think you're such a great follow too, especially for this audience. I'm sure we have very simpatico. I would definitely go recommend following Landon. Go look at her 10 marriage rules. I'm going to print it out and put it on Michael's forehead. Landon, also, I want to know, is there any website where people can buy stuff from you? Is that coming? I had that with the store and I've got this idea that I dreamt up in December that I've been sitting on.

Starting point is 01:16:27 My agent went on maternity leave and she comes back in July and I'm like, if I still really feel as passionate about it as the day it came to me because I have like two hours of voice memo and like video and all these notes that I haven't even looked at again, then that will be something that I'll be super excited about. We need a book. Well, that has nine chapters already written. Okay. We need a book, but we also need, I feel like you need like an e-com that's like all your favorite picks. Oh yeah. I mean, I have merch and all that fun stuff. I mean, it's been a minute. I mean, we've got coffee mugs with stupid things that I say on them and it's been, it's been fun, but yeah. I mean, honestly, through living with Landon.com,

Starting point is 01:17:05 all that stuff lives there. And you can come back on the podcast anytime. Maybe next time we interview you and your husband together and hear all the tips from him and her perspective. That would be really fun. Yeah. Cause we really do share some similarities. Oh,

Starting point is 01:17:20 we, when we're in Nashville next time, we're interviewing you again. You are such a great podcast. We haven't been over there in a while. So we're interviewing you again. You are such a great podcast guest. We haven't been over there in a while, so we'll make a trip. A real breath of fresh air. It's so nice to have someone on the podcast who really can hold their own. So thank you.

Starting point is 01:17:33 Thank you. Well, that means a lot.

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