The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin Completely Open & Unfiltered - Housewives, Hollywood, Relationships & More

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

#807: Join us as we sit down with Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin – one of Hollywood’s most iconic power couples! Lisa, the queen of bold moves, made her mark on Days of Our Lives, Melrose Place, and The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, while Harry, an Emmy-nominated talent, captivated audiences in Mad Men and became a legend in Clash of the Titans. In this episode, Lisa & Harry get real about balancing love & career in the spotlight, raising superstar daughters, the raw truth behind reality TV, & their most recent project which they announce on today's episode.    To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Lisa Rinna click HERE   To connect with Harry Hamlin click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697)   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   Visit harrysfamous.com to purchase Harry’s Famous Pasta Sauce.    To purchase Lisa’s book, Rinnacation: Getting Your Best Life Ever, click HERE.   This episode is sponsored by Chomps   Get 15% off your order of Chomps meat sticks at Chomps.com/SKINNY with code SKINNY.   This episode is sponsored by The Farmer’s Dog   Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at TheFarmersDog.com/skinny. Plus, you get FREE shipping!    This episode is sponsored by Domain Money   Head to domainmoney.com/himandher to book a free strategy session now.   This episode is sponsored by ARMRA   Go to tryarmra.com/SKINNY or enter SKINNY to get 15% off your first order.   This episode is sponsored by JLO Beauty   Head to JLOBeauty.com/SKINNY to receive 20% off plus three free limited time offer gifts.   This episode is sponsored by Squarespace   Go to Squarespace.com for a free trial, and when you’re ready to launch, squarespace.com/SKINNY to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. How fitting for the Him and Her show to have Harry Hamlin and Lisa Renna on the show. Hollywood's most iconic couple. You may know Lisa as the queen of bold moves. She's a dynamic actress. We've all seen her on Days of Our Lives, Melrose Place, The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She is now on The Catwalk, Therose Place, The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She is now on the catwalk, the runway, magazine covers. She's not just a TV star either. She's the mastermind behind Run of Beauty and a pop culture icon. She's

someone who always keeps it real and let me tell you, in this episode she is as real as they come. We also have Harry Hamlin. He's an Emmy nominated actor. You guys have seen him in Mad Men. He's kind of a legend from Clash of the Titans. Together they're really the ultimate Hollywood hustle couple. They also recently launched a podcast, Let's Not Talk About the Husband, and it's produced by Dear Media. With that, let's welcome Lisa Renna and Harry Hamlin to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, Him and Her. I told you I was reading your book.

Probably, I want to say like, I don't know, nine years ago, and I was trying to read between the lines of like what smoothie or what thing you were doing when you were pregnant. I needed the tips. Did I give you any? I don't know if I gave you any. There's lots of tips in that book. I'm not sure there are good tips in that book. Yes there are. We're gonna get into that. Don't worry. We've talked about those tips on this. I should maybe thank you Lisa. Actually you should thank... I have to thank that woman who came to the house for you.

It's Lou. Her name is Lou and you should thank her gay best friend who was dying of AIDS. I mean, it's a very sad story. And she went to him and said, give me all the tips. No pun intended. And he did. And then for my bachelorette party, somebody hired her to come.

And she- She brought a bunch of bananas. No, she brought dildos. She brought rubber dildos, and you put them on a plate. Bananas, that's No, she brought dildos. She brought rubber dildos and you put them on a plate. Bananas, that's nothing. She brought dildos, you put them on a plate. I will never forget this, right?

I was not there. You were not there at the bachelorette party. It was so fucking funny. And she puts the dildos in the dishwasher so they're clean, because you're sitting with your girlfriend, so let's say there's 10 of us. And you're sitting around in a circle, and you've got a dildo on a plate.

And then she shows you all the things that her gay best friend taught her. And one of those things was the coin. Yes. There's the basket, the coin, the... I don't know the coin. I don't know the basket. Jerry, you know the coin. You just don't know it's called the coin. The- I don't know the coin. I don't know the basket. What's the coin?

I know the coin. You just don't know it's called the coin. I don't remember the coin. Oh really? The coin is the tip you taught me that Michael has still married to me for. Okay, great. The coin you told-

Maybe this is the secret to the long marriages. Well, listen. Oh right, the coin. The coin! Oh yes, the coin, the coin, yes. Yeah, the coin. Yeah, it's just, I don't remember that name. You know all of them, but the coin, the coin, yes. Is that a coin? Yeah, it's just, I don't remember that name. You know all of them, but the coin,

we always talk about the basket. Or I'm not supposed to look at you, I gotta look this way. The basket, anyway, you know what? That's what sold that book, by the way. That chapter eight sold that book. Is that the one that the kids read, the girls read? Is that chapter eight?

Oh no, did they really? Yes they did. I take a million minus that, that had like age 11. they really? Yes they did. I think a million might have said that. I had like age 11. It came up on the show. I was Delilah who said something about learning how to give head. Oh my God, we were in Tokyo.

Oh my God, that's like 12. Guys, imagine this. I'm on a trip with Housewives in Tokyo with the kids. The kids had to go on a modeling trip, right? So I get Erica to come with me for the show so they can go film it. I remember. Okay, so we're sitting at a dinner. Now I know nothing, I don't know any of this. Right? So I get Erica to come with me for the show so they can go film it. I remember.

Okay, so we're sitting at a dinner. Now I know nothing. I don't know any of this. No one's like, I'm right there with you. And we're talking and stuff. And then Delilah brings up, or is it Amelia? I don't know who brings it up, but they basically say, well, when we were in Canada one year,

we went and we read your book when we were little. And we learned about how to give a blowjob so she says it's on camera like do my kids not know what they're doing use the word head give head that's what I go I don't remember I was so horrified in the moment and Erica goes oh my god anyway though and then you said the other day, well, at least you gave them, you know. Good tips.

A nice life. Yeah, a nice life. Yeah, their boyfriends are happy. Yeah, their boyfriends are happy. Michael's happy as a clam. I wrote a blog post on The Coin about, I wanna say five years ago, it's still up on my blog.

Unbelievable. I think The Coin everyone should learn about. All of it. You know. Your book sales just went like this. It did. And Lisa, we were just saying, like, one of the last actual married housewives.

So maybe... There's probably something to it for sure. One of the last real housewives of Beverly Hills married couple. Yeah. Right here, sitting in front of you. Like, the last. What is the first second that you guys met?

When did you lay eyes on Lisa? I was sitting at a restaurant called Shane's with my ex-wife Nicolette Sheridan right next to the door. And I'll never forget. She walked in with her boyfriend. Peter Barton. Peter Barton. And they walked past us, but then stopped and looked back because she knew Nicolette. Yeah. And I can see what I can picture. Absolutely. The moment I looked up and I saw

this woman and it went like a dagger through my heart. Now, I'm sitting next to my wife when that's happening, right? And it just kind of went, whoa. But I didn't really clock it. I mean, I didn't, didn't process it. It just, it happened. And then it was quite some time later that we actually met and talked. Yeah. Like years later.

And I knew Nicolette, so I said hello, obviously. Hi, how are you? And that was it. We walked out. Yeah, but I can remember the moment exactly. That was it. That's the late eyes on moment. Have you always had such a big, distinct personality

since you were little? No. No. Forget this. I know. Shaw-haw-king. OK, here's the story. Well, not when I met her at all. When, forget this, I know. Shaw-haw-king. Okay, here's the story. Well, not when I met her at all.

When I was little, I did, yes. Okay. Very big personality, only child, me, me, me, attention, attention, attention, I want the world's attention, all of it. I performed for my parents 24 seven, all of it. Then, something happened when I was a teenager. I don't know, and maybe just, you know, teenagers, you're something happened when I was a teenager. I don't know.

And maybe just, you know, teenagers, you're so awkward and I was so ugly. I was really an ugly teenager. I was. I doubt it. I was ugly. Yes, I was. Skinny, really skinny, ugly, fully, fugly.

So I can own that. I was not a cute girl. I was not cute. And so I think I lost my confidence. So when I met Harry, I was shy. I'm so hard to believe. I mean, I was shy. Beyond shy.

Yeah. So did you let him, when you guys did get together, did you let him court you and were you still shy? Yes, but we went to Tahiti. He took me to Tahiti like a year and a half after we got together. You were so mad at me on the last night because I hadn't popped the question. That's another story, but let me get to this first.

So we're going and posing in front of things, you know, he's taking pictures, there's no cell phones, so we have cameras, and there's this great mountain or whatever and he's going to take my picture and he goes, do something, like don't just stand there, like do something with your arms, like go like this or something. And so I did and I swear to God that is what unleashed. I'm trying to find the picture. I'm looking for the picture right now. I know I've got it. That unleashed it. All of a sudden it like flipped a switch where you just really like came into your own personality. I guess.

Why do you think that happened? I don't know. I think he gave me permission to go, he went like this with his arms, I'm not kidding. He went, do something, go like this. She was standing like this. Like scared to death, I guess. You know, hard to believe. And I said, well, how about a little something something

for the picture, and ever since, ever since this. And where were you at in your career? Like, and what were you working on at the time when they were just trying to contextualize? Oh, he was super famous, L.A. Law. Like one of the most famous people on the planet. Well, I was finished with L.A. Law by then. Yeah, but you were still like tabloid, uber, uber.

You were Harry Hamlin. He was Harry fucking Hamlin. Super famous. I had a profile at the time and- Huge. Huge. I guess. Come on the time. Huge. Huge. I guess. Come on Harry.

I can say it, huge. Huge. I can say it too. So when you guys are out to dinner, when you first get together, there's like people following you famous? No, not, I don't think that much. We were pretty, we were very careful at the beginning.

Cause the tab boys were everywhere. I mean, they wanted to catch us. We were pretty, we were very careful at the beginning because the tab boys were everywhere. I mean, they wanted to catch us. We were very careful. And so what happens when you get caught or maybe you decide to do it on your own? Well, they just know at that point, you know, they just, you just saw paparazzi. I mean, remember there's no cell phones, no social media.

It was a very different time. So nice without the, you know, stuff. We always say we're on the last cusp, I think, as a generation because we got out of college right when social media was kind of coming out. Oh my God. So like we had the cell phones and the pagers. Yes.

And we didn't have the, we didn't have any of that. And so we went through all those years. I think we're like the final ones to go through those years. Did Harry propose after you put pressure on him, or did he come to his own conclusion? It took 5 and 1 half years. I came to my own conclusion. It's a long time.

How long did it take you? It took me a while. I took her to Tahiti, right? This is a year and a half in. Was it? Yeah, whatever. Year and a half in. Look, I was looking for that picture of you.

He's looking for the picture he wants to reminisce. It's OK. Because that picture of you is so, like, nerdy, you know? He likes it, Look, I was looking for that picture of you. He's looking for the picture he wants to reminisce. That's okay. Because that picture of you is so like nerdy, you know. He likes it though, I think. Well, I mean there's something about it that's kind of nerdy. So, but anyway, I decided, like I love Tahiti. I mean I had been out there a couple of times before and I was so in love with Lisa, but not thinking about marriage at all because I'd been burned in that area. Divorced twice by this point.

And so I, well, I don't know if I was burned. I burned. Who knows who's who. You were not in a hurry to get married. I was not in a hurry to get married. So I take her to Tahiti, and it's lovely. And we get an over-the-water bungalow, and it's beautiful. And we're like, we take mopads, we go around. And all my friends are like, he's going to ask you to marry him.

He's going to do it on his trip. Tahiti is going to ask him, right? And it never crossed my mind. This was never even a thought, right? And every one of her friends was saying, he's taking you to Haiti. He's gonna pop the question. Watch out.

And we get to the last night, and we're having dinner in the restaurant at the Bora Bora Hotel. And I notice that she's getting a little sour. And when we finish, I pay the check, and we walk back over the water bungalow. And on the way back, she's getting more and more and more sour. And I get there, we pull our bags out to pack

because we're leaving the next morning. And then she gets more and more and more sour. And finally it's like, it just comes to a head and she just loses it. I just say it, I think. I think I was like, I thought you were- So where's the ring? Oh God, it's so humiliating now.

No, it's not, it's funny, I love it. And then it took fucking four more years. So what did you do? Like did you just like find little ways to get to him to get you to marry? Like what was the strategy? You know, here was the strategy. This is what finally happened.

You know, he had a bad breakup, really bad marriage breakup, right? Well it was not pleasant. It was not pleasant. And that one was particularly unpleasant. No, it was never pleasant. And that one was particularly unpleasant because Michael Bolton was involved and because he was a pop singer at the time.

It's like you guys are talking in the Twilight Zone. It is like the fucking Twilight Zone. So she left him for Michael Bolton. Yeah, she went to a Michael Bolton concert. She left him for Michael Bolton. My mother died. That's the truth. In early July of 1992.

Whether she wants to admit it or not, it's the truth. In early July of 1992. Whether she wants to admit it or not, it's the truth. And she couldn't handle the fact that there was a real thing happening, which happened to be death. It wasn't real life, it was real death. Anyway, so I was up at our place in Canada with my son and I had this nightmare that she had had an affair.

It was like, we were like that close, me and Nicolette, and I had this nightmare, and I woke up at like three o'clock in the morning with a cold sweat and I picked up the phone and called her because she was in LA. I was gonna tell her that I had this nightmare, right? And no answer, it's midnight there. And then I wait 20 minutes, call again, no answer.

And she never was, she always came home at night, right? All night long and never answered the phone. Figured something was going on and I called up a friend of ours who said, you know, Harry, I think you and Nicolette have to talk. Oh, imagine, he's in Canada, 3,000 miles away. And I get my son in the car, we drive to the airport, I get on a plane, right back, I come back,

and sure enough, she had gone to a Michael Bolton concert the night before, and I guess, you know, must have looked behind her and seen all these, you know, centenarians clapping for him and said, oh, this guy must be really famous. I need some of that, right? And she went home with him. So, I mean, that was...

That's some good shade, Harry, actually. I think that was really some very smooth shade. What? No. He's smooth. He's smooth. Yeah, very smooth. So, at this point, you and Lisa had only met once. So what happens after you find this out about Michael Bolton? Well, she and I had not really met at that point.

No. We didn't. Just seen each other in that passing. I had seen her just briefly in that restaurant years before. I wouldn't even call that meeting, but you clocked me. I clocked her. Yeah. And then I flew back to LA and I found out what had happened and that my marriage was

over, and this all happened within like 24 hours. It's awful, I know, it's really awful. And then within like two days later, our good friend Brad, who was a friend of mine and Nicolette's, invited me to dinner at this restaurant, the same restaurant where I had originally met. It's this little tiny center that is near where we live that has like restaurants and stores and we all congregate there. And I have ever since I lived here and I am also at the time friends with Brad who he's talking about, but separately. Okay. So Lisa was-

And I'm working for him at the eyeglass store. She was not acting at the moment. She was- I was trying but I was unemployed. She was trying and she was doing the night shift at the eyeglass store. She was not acting at the moment. She was... I was trying, but I was unemployed. She was trying, and she was doing the night shift at this eyeglass store. And I was on unemployment, and Brad was paying me under the table to work at the eyeglass store two nights a week. Yeah.

And I was having dinner with him, and just basically licking my wounds, because, I mean, my marriage had dissolved overnight. You lost your wife to Michael Bolton. Thank God. That's an autobiography title. I know. Oh lost your wife to Michael Bolton. Thank God. That's an autobiography title. I know. Oh, maybe that should be your next book title.

I lost my wife to Michael Bolton. But I married Lisa Rippon. And then married me. I always say thank you, Michael Bolton. And I did get to thank him in person. That's another story. Get this, okay. So, I'm gonna tell the story now.

Oh my God, it's so good. Okay, so we go, like this is like five years ago. And I've known Michael Bolton myself through mutual friends, blah, blah, blah. You're not allowed to go to a Michael Bolton concert, you gotta... Yeah, no, look, I like Michael Bolton and he's got a great voice. I mean, he's an interesting dude, right? So we go to the Polo Lounge, like maybe five years ago, we're having dinner inside. It's more than that, but who's counting?

Anyway, whatever. So it's long after this is all transpired. Now we have children and we've been together for years. And I'm grateful beyond. How many years at this point, just quickly? I'm gonna say this is, we've been together. We have kids, so we've been together 10 years. Whatever.

15 years, 15 years. So yeah, look, it's cast in stone, our relationship at that point. So we're at the Polo Lounge and we come in and there's Michael Bolton sitting at one of the booths, you know, and he's at a table a few feet away from us. I've already said on the show, cause I'm on the show at this time,

I've already said, I would like to thank Michael Bolton. Remember that? Of course. And I want to send flowers to Michael Bolton. Well, this I get to do it in person. I see him. So she gets, we're sitting there and without saying a word, she just gets up from the table and walks over to Michael,

who's sitting on a bankette at the very end of the couch. And she gets down on one knee. Well, not really, but maybe, did I? I was there, I saw it. You get down on one knee and you reach out really, but maybe. You did. Did I? I was there. I saw it. You get down on one knee and you reach out and take his hand and say, Michael, I just wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart.

And he looks at her and I don't know what he thought she was thanking him for, but he said, you're so welcome. Swear to God. He doesn't have any idea what you're thanking him for. I don't know. He goes, you are so welcome. Like eye to eye. I mean, I'm thanking him for my life.

I'm basically saying without you, I would not have these children. And I must thank you. And he goes, you are so welcome. That's exactly what you would want him to say. And I could just hear it in his voice. It was fantastic. I'll never forget it.

I wanted to do that so badly. I got to do it and he received it honey. And he gave it back. I love it. Well wanted to do that so badly I got to do it, and he received it, honey, and he gave it back. I love it. No, he's a great guy. I mean, he was, he, I think, was honestly. You would not be with me without him, so we thank him. Oh, that's true. So we thank him. You mentioned you're working at an eyeglass store at night.

Yeah. At what point do you transition to really get into acting? And are you supporting her acting career? Did you guys go on auditions together? What does that look like? I get Days of Our Lives. I get the role of Billy Reid on Days of Our Lives. That was the very first one.

Wait, that was the first role you ever got? She worked with Jason Bateman. I had done, what was that show that I did with Jason? The Hogan Family. So I did a guest spot on the Hogan Family. I did a little guest spot on Murder, She Wrote. This was the firstogan family. Okay. So I did a guest spot on the Hogan family. I did a little guest spot on Murder, She Wrote. This was the first real gig. Which is huge at the time.

Huge. Huge. It was like housewives of that generation. It was, and I grew up watching Days of Our Lives with my mom, I grew up watching Young and the Restless, General Hospital, like that was what we did. We came home and watched Soaps and then you taped them. So I get this job and it's a huge deal in my life because my mom thinks soap operas are

like you know you're the biggest movie star and you've just won an Oscar. So I thought it was cool. Hollywood didn't think it was so cool, right? So I just went in and made it like it was the greatest thing ever and then if you think it's the greatest thing ever everyone else will. Why didn't Hollywood think it was cool? It was way down on the totem pole. Like if you think it's the greatest thing ever, everyone else will. Why didn't Hollywood think it was cool? It was way down on the totem pole. Like, if you were on a soap, they were not going to hire you on a daytime television

show or a film. What about Demi Moore? Well, a lot of people started there, but you jumped quick. Everybody started in soaps, but it was not cool to do them. OK. It wasn't. You just wanted it as a jumping point to get to the? Yes.

OK. Yes. But it's incredible training. The hours of a soap is... Like to me, when I hear and know that you were on a soap, people don't realize the discipline. The training. Can you explain like the hours and what goes on behind the scenes of a soap? I can. It is five days a week, 20 to 40 pages of dialogue a day, if you have a big storyline, which I did. And 50 weeks of the year. Yeah. There's no time off. Two weeks. And how long did you do it for? Three years.

Did you even have a life? No. I finally kind of said- No, that was my life. I mean, I was with Harry. I kind of said, if we're going to have a life, you can't do this anymore. And most people stay. If you think about it, people have been there for 30, 40, 50 years. I knew that if I didn't leave when my contract was up,

which was three years, I would never go. I would end up on a soap for the rest of my life because you get a paycheck, it's secure. Da-da-da-da. So I knew I had to leave, so I did. Are you guys married at the point that you leave? No. No. So when'd married at the point that you leave? No. No. So when'd you pop the question, Harry?

If you didn't do it in Tahiti, she's looking for the rose petals, when'd you do it? It wasn't just, the Tahiti moment was one moment, and then I decided that it was time to actually pop the question right around your birthday. It must've been your 32nd birthday, because I threw you your 30th birthday party, but that was the first year we were together. So you were maybe 33rd.

But 33rd birthday because I had Delilah at 34. Well no no, it was 32. So it was her birthday and I had called up my jeweler and had him make a ring, beautiful, which is the ring you have wearing right now, and I had him make this ring up. Yeah, but it's so fucking shady what you did. Go ahead. I'm just gonna say that right out of the gate. It's so fucking shady how you did it

and everyone is gonna agree with me. Go ahead. I have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You're making this ring for me for my birthday, okay? So, okay, so it's her birthday. And there's emeralds on the side instead of diamonds. I'm going to pop the question. It's her birthday, and I decide I'm going to pop the question tonight.

So I'm going to take her to dinner in Malibu, right? And after dinner, we'll have a few presents, and the last one will be the ring, you know? So I pull out the first presents, and we finish dinner, and I'm like, I'm all excited. I've gotten this ring. I've had it made. I'm about to pop the question, right? And I pull out this strand of opera strand pearls,

you know, a long strand of pearls. And I give her that. For some reason- Again, I must be thinking I'm gonna get a ring. I don't know. I don't know what you were thinking, but you thought that my giving you pearls was like so stupid that you were so incensed

that I would give you pearls. I was also drunk at this point. I was a little bit drunk. She went off the, like she got so mad at me. I had PTSD from Tahiti. Okay? If a guy took me to Tahiti and didn't propose on the water stilts. Thank you.

Okay. So now we're getting pearls, girl. It never even crossed my mind. Now we're getting pearls girl now now we're getting so now I've given now I've given her a big thing of pearls and a couple of other presents and she loses it right so much so that when we're leaving we're driving away down in Malibu she says she says let me out of the car I just did that yesterday yes guys! Stop the car! Get out! She did that yesterday? Yeah, so here.

So you know what we're talking about, right? I'm like, stop the car, I'm getting out. And I'm walking down PCH like this. She got out! I got out, baby, I'm so fucking mad. So, but the thing is, like, I still had the ring in my pocket and I never gave it to her because she got so pissed off that I gave her pearls.

I was like, fuck you, I'm not gonna give you, I'm not gonna invite you to marry me now after this, right? Such a nightmare. So that ring went back in my pocket and we resolved that fight that night. That night at 3 a.m., you bring the ring out and you say, I was gonna propose to you, and here's the ring.

Oh, I didn't, we have a similar- Tyler, we still together. We have a similar thing actually, remember? Did you take the ring and say yes? I took the ring. Well, then I propose in Canada. No, he kept the ring for a while. Like, I saw it and it was just a big nightmare.

He went and changed the emeralds out for diamonds, and then he redid it a month later. She did a little micromanaging. Yeah. Well, she said, I don't like emeralds. Is that what I said? Yes. Oh, emeralds would have been nice, actually.

Why would I change the, take the emeralds out? Unless you said I don't like emeralds. Maybe, so. Is that what I said? Yes. Oh, emeralds would have been nice actually. That's why, why would I change that, take the emeralds out? Unless you said I don't like emeralds. Maybe she'd like another emerald ring. Yeah. Yes. She could use an emerald ring, that'd be a cute gift. I love that idea.

It would pull back the nostalgia. Maybe the girls all, they need three matching emerald rings. Oh, I love it. And so a month later he finally proposes, right? A month later. I don't know, it was up in Canada. It was a month later. And you saidoses, right? A month later. I was up in Canada. It was a month later.

And you said yes. I did, at dinner. He sits across from me at dinner and says, I think we should get married. There's a casualty about him that's cute though. It's like sweet. It is sweet. Yeah.

It is, but I did make him get on his knees in the bathroom and do it properly. Good. Because I, you know. They're gonna pull that clip and say, Lisa Renna makes her husband get on his knees in the bathroom. Get ready for that.

That is not my fault. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. The bathroom? It was on the bath mat. Yeah, that's where you did it. Here I was outside saying they won't pull things out of context.

No, I did it at the Joe Club, sitting at the table. No, yes, you did. But later, I made you get on your knee and redo it. Because you were sitting next to me at dinner and asked me to marry you. And I said, no, now you need to get on your knees. And you did but later I made you get on your knee and redo it because you were sitting next to me at dinner and Asked me to marry you and I said no now you need to get on your knees and you did in the bathroom You wanted the whole proper thing. Yes, who doesn't remember that you I said yes already and I made him redo it So I got the whole thing. Okay, whatever you say It's true. I prefer when you're on your knees, you know, I'm done with all my skills

You know what I told Michael Duh, with all my skills, of course you do. I know, you have a lot of skills. You know what I told Michael to get tattooed on his ass? Yes, dear. Yeah. But I'll never see it. All your lives will be so much easier. Happy, wife, happy life. Did you do this?

Dear, it's like so easy. Yes, dear. He still hasn't learned it. I asked my dad, I was like, Dad, I love my mom, they're still married. I was like, how the hell you've been married to someone? He was like, son, I don't speak and I don't hear. Yeah, he's smart. I don't speak and I don't hear. It's not hard, I don like dad. I love my mom. They're still married. I was like how the hell you've been married son I was like son. I don't speak and I don't hear

I don't understand you literally just sit there like it's so puppet reason we started doing this show She was out on all her channel saying all this wild shit about me all the time I'm like I need to be able to good for you I'm not just Take it I couldn't take it. I couldn't take it. I'm here. At this point in Canada, when you finally do propose, you said you're very famous.

What shows, movies, what are you doing, Harry? At that moment? Yeah. What was I doing? It was LA Law. You'd just come off of LA Law. So LA Law was like huge. Huge show.

Yeah, it was a huge show. Huge. I mean, he'd done Clash of the Titans. But by this time, I'd been off it for four or five years. So I was doing other stuff. I was doing miniseries. Yeah, lots of movies and miniseries. Movies and miniseries.

I was going to Australia a lot and working there. I don't remember what I was doing. I mean, my career is like a blur. I don't really pay that much attention to it. It's what pays the rent. You're very multifaceted. It seems like you have a lot of interests. It's not just acting. He does, absolutely. Yeah, It seems like you have a lot of interest. It's not just acting.

He does, absolutely. Yeah, I do. I have a lot of interest. Cooking? Has he always been cooking for you? No. What? No, it's kind of new because, you know, in the beginning he cooked, he would make spaghetti

a-li-o-lio, pepperoncino. Yum. Which is so delish. Yeah. And then we had kids, and then, no, well, before kids, we went out a lot. You know, we're in that going out stage, we'd go to Dre's and we'd like smoke cigarettes in the back, it was so fun.

And have martinis. And have martini, oh my god. That still sounds kinda fun. It was so fun. So we went out all the time, so no one was cooking. And then we had kids and then like the nannies would cook for the kids and then we had them starting to cook for us and so, I don't know, blah, blah, blah.

And then now we're empty nesters. That's really when he started cooking. Cause somebody had to. When the girls left. It was really the pandemic too. I mean, you couldn't go out, right? So I started to cook every day during the pandemic. And I think that's kind of where it came from.

But cooking is a very minor interest. But he's always known how to do it. Okay. You know, so then he kind of just did it. And then you go, oh my God, your food is really good. I'd rather eat your food than go out. And then it just... And you know what's going in it.

And it's healthy. Which is amazing, yeah. I would like to know, this is a selfish question. You guys, Michael and I are obviously like, we're not famous actors, but we do a show together and you get busy. How did you guys balance raising children and doing what you're doing?

Hard. Yeah. No clue. It's really hard. I don't know. I would love to know. Really, really hard. We had help. I mean, I think it takes a village. It takes a village. I mean, come on. You can't like...

Yeah, we have help. We're very honest about it. I tell them, I should have all the time on the show. I have a lot of help. And you know what? I'm gonna tell you this. Thank God about it. Yeah, I tell them. I do this show together. I do this show together. I do this show together. I have a lot of help. And you know what?

I'm going to tell you this. Thank God, because it creates better, more well-rounded children. I'm not kidding. I think it's way better to have a lot of people raising your kids than just you, because they get so much from other people. Yeah. It's okay. You don't have to be super mom and super dad.

You have to be present, clearly. You have to be there, but you can have other people around and it's okay, don't you think? Well, I know that the people, Lorraine has been in our life for 30 some odd years. Wow, she came with Harry. She came with me. Like literally family.

She is family now. She's family, she- 32 years. 21 years old she was when you met her. 19. I mean, she was a child and she didn't speak English for the first 10 years. And so I never told her what to do.

She just showed up and did it, whatever she felt like, it was perfect. How did you guys know that your girls were sparkly? And what I mean by that is, you know, they're both special. And like I told you, Amelia came on the show in 2020 years ago, and even that, like, she was phenomenal in that.

She's phenomenal. She really is. And I almost sometimes wish people got to see her personality more. I remember walking away from talking to her because she was so much younger than us. And she was like 19? And I was like, wow. She's impressive. We were like, whoa. Because sometimes you get people on a mic and you're like, oh, I was like, wow. She's impressive. We were like, whoa. Because sometimes you get people on a mic

and you're like, oh, it's like polling team. She came and she's confident. She was more impressive than some of the adults we've had. Really? Oh yeah. How did you guys, do you guys remember a moment when they were little that you knew like they're destined for something?

Oh. No. I did. I did. I didn't have a very good story. She's like, no. There's no. I'm like, yes. So wait a second, they're, they were children. I never, I never looked at them and went, oh, these girls are going to be really famous.

Well, I mean, I- That's so honest! It is! I just knew they were special, I mean- Well, how, what, what makes them special? They're children! Oh, but you're- What are you talking about?

One of your daughters was just on the cover of Vogue! Well, they have made themselves special. They were born special. They have worked. They have worked really hard to become the people that they are. He's not wrong. And we also gave them the opportunity to be in these schools. But they were frickin' special.

They were frickin' special. They were. I can tell you they were. They were frickin' kids. They were just kids. Your show, just so you know, is gonna crush it. I know. I'm very excited for it. It's gonna crush it. I know. I'm very excited for it. I know. It's gonna crush it.

I know. Keep going. It's gonna do very well. I'm gonna sit back with a piece of hay and my teeth keep going. I know, I know. Okay, wait, let me just talk about it. Okay, so Delilah's first.

She comes out. She is like a fucking light. Like she is not normal. I think. My children are normal. I have normal children. What are you talking about? You don't get it. You do not see the layers of depth that I think. My children are normal. I have normal children. What are you talking about? You don't get it.

You do not see the layers of depth that I see. Okay? I see layers of light and depth. And are you biased in any way? Is there any bias in that? I think the mix of your, you two have, it's, Harry's kept them humble and you've kept them confident. Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know.

I think they're special beings, but don't you? Of course you think that about your children. But if you tell them they're special, then they become ultra narcissistic. I know what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, no, they're normal kids. We gave them the extraordinary opportunity because we gave them a school.

Their elementary school was one of the most amazing places ever. It's called the Westland School. We did a few things right. And we knew that the Westland School was not academic. We knew that it was about teaching kids how to be humans. Have you heard of progressive schools? No, I need to write this down. We're looking for school.

They're like granola, artsy fartsy. They don't teach them how to read. Like they let them just kind of read on their own. Kind of entrepreneurial in their own space. Kind of. Independent. They get to be very creative. Like they learn reading and math and all that stuff through doing other things,

creative things. They don't just like learn reading and math. I wish my parents sent me to that school. Well, you know what? I gotta tell you, it was the greatest thing we ever did. That's why they are the humans that they are today because we sent them to that school. Look for progressive schools. It's completely the opposite of what we're taught

to go to and learn from. And we had to take a leap of faith. And let me just tell you the story for one second. Please, go. How I figured this out. Because, you know, everybody's looking for schools. And you got to look when they're, like, in preschool. Oh!

Right? You're already looking. We just had to do all these interview things. I was like, what's? Because we're both public school kids, so I was like, well. Same with me. I'm like, private school? My dad's like, you both public school kids, so I was like, well. Same with me. Yeah. I'm like, private school, what's that? My dad's like, you're going wherever the bus is going. Well, I wish we had done that, but not for this one.

So I met the pet store up at the Glenn Center, back at the Glenn Center. They had a pet store, which was fantastic. And we'd all go in there with the kids, and they'd have a great time. I'm in there one day. The kids are in the back with the birds or something. And there's a little girl standing next to me.

And how old are the kids at that point? She's 10. The kids would be. Like babies the birds or something, and there's a little girl standing next to me. And how old are the kids at that point? The kids would be like babies. Four, three, four, two, something around there, like toddlers. So I'm standing next to this 10-year-old girl, and she is talking to me, and she's so self-possessed and aware and lovely and kind.

I said, excuse me, may I ask you where you go to school? Because I'm like right in the school, you know, interviews. She goes, I go to this school called Westland. And she starts telling me about it. I run home and I go, Harry, we have to send the kids to Westland. This kid is the most self-possessed, self-amir child I've ever seen in my life. This kid was really self-possessed, self-aware child I've ever seen in my life.

This kid was really self-possessed and looked her right in the eye. And that was, I guess, that was the result, I suppose, of her parenting and also having gone to that school. Yeah. So guess what? We went to that school and everyone thought we were crazy. Like, what school are you going to? Lawrence is another school in the valley. It was a very academic school, very well done.

The school is very well thought of. And we went in the valley. It was a very academic school, very well done. The school is very well thought of. And we went to the school. Lawrence 2000. It was called at the time. And it was an old gentleman who ran the school. And he met Delilah. And he fell in love with her. She was like three.

And we walked around. And he wrote us a letter saying, I met your daughter. And I really want her to come to Lawrence. We want her here. And so we went to do a tour of the school. And as we were walking through the school, we walked, there was a quad in the middle of the school, and we walked by a tree, a kumquat tree.

It was right next to the pathway where all the kids walked. And the little kumquat tree, which is about six feet tall, was covered with kumquats. And I said to Lisa, wait a minute, And the little kumquat tree, which is about six feet tall, was covered with kumquats. And I said to Lisa, wait a minute, these kids are running by this kumquat tree every day, and they're not grabbing the kumquats and throwing them at each other.

So this is like a Stepford school. I mean, these kids are, this tree should have no kumquats on it at all. He's not wrong. They're not being resourceful. Yeah, well- He's not wrong. I know. They're not being resourceful. Yeah, well... He's not wrong. It takes him a while to tell his stories, but he's not wrong.

You know, you're not wrong. They should grab a kumquat. Right? I would grab a kumquat. That's why we didn't go to the school. We didn't go to the school because they'd never grab the kumquat. It's too perfect. It was step for D.

But also, like, you're not, you're not, you're not seeing the, you're not listening to the birds and seeing the flowers and pulling the kumquat and tasting it. Some things we read there. No, you're not, you're not seeing the, you're not listening to the birds and seeing the flowers and pulling the kumquat and tasting it. Some things weird there. Some things weird there. Maybe they were fake. No, they were real. Anyway, that's kind of a stupid reason

not to go to a school, but nevertheless, we took them to the right school. Yes, we did. They came out great. And then how did you guys continue to instill all these incredible qualities that they have? Did you guys have like a meeting of the minds where you were like, this is really important to us?

Or was it just... No, it's just catch-its-catch-can. And also they, on their own, decided they wanted to figure things out. Yeah. For example, I went to, I was in Delilah's room looking at the suitcases that we put in there this morning, and I saw the books on her bookshelf next to her bed.

Yeah. Wayne Dyer. Wow. Marianne Williamson. Yeah, I mean, they were reading these books about, you know, what it's like to be alive and be human in this day and age on their own. I never gave them. Delilah, I gave her Marianne Williamson's,

something love, Return to Love. Return to Love. That's the first book. She was just on the show a couple of months back. I gave her the book, by the way, not you. Oh. Just. Well, maybe we both gave it to Love. That's the first book. She was just on the show a couple months back. I gave her the book by the way, not you. Oh. Just. Well, maybe we both gave it to her.

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And she's so cute. And she said that she, she loves listening to to podcasts on optimization and like self, like she loves all of that. You know what? She should probably have her own podcast at some point. I think she'd be really... Well, Lisa, you know who to talk to. I invite her on.

I do. I think it might be, or even have her on. She loves getting information that way. Yeah. Loves it. You can tell she's curious. Very. She's smart too and

they're smart in different ways. They're completely opposite like we are. They're totally different. Huh. And I wouldn't think that. I thought you were gonna say they were similar. No. They're different. Totally opposite. Like what's the difference? Well one's blonde, one's dark. That's just visually. Well Amelia is very, she's highly, highly, highly intelligent. And when she sets her mind to something, she gets it. So I don't know what you call that. Her manifestation skills are off the chart. And she always has been like that.

Like if she wanted something when she was little, she got it. She found a way to get it. I think that's the best quality you can teach children by the way. She's resourceful. I don't even think I was taught it. I think she just got it. And now they way to get it. I think that's the best quality you can teach children, by the way. I don't even think I was taught it. They live by the law of attraction now. Both of them do.

And then how is Delilah different? Delilah is more ethereal, is how I would describe it. She's more kooky and she's very funny and lets things happen and is not as controlling. Going back to the very, very, very beginning, okay, so I delivered both of the kids. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? You have to explain that.

Wait, hold on. Tell them about the party. We met Chuck Woolery. Remember Chuck Woolery, the game show host? What did Chuck Woolery do? Anyway, it doesn't matter. Anyway. So we were at this party and this guy comes up to me and he sees Lisa's really pregnant

Yeah, and he says you know Harry what you got to do is deliver your own kids And we're like what I said excuse me you can do that He said yeah, you can do that You know you just have to watch a video and you make work it out with your and the doctor will let you and he goes Do you have to wear gloves? He's like no so anyway, so Did I take your story away? He was like fucking bitch just took the story Take him out you take him out

Hear the story you tell stories way too fast. All right. You guys, if you ever need anyone to fill in, guess who's here. All right, Harry, tell the story about Chuck Willowry and the baby. No, I don't want to tell that story. I want to tell the story about the girls at the very beginning, right? So when you were in labor for 24 hours, more than that. I was.

And she wanted to have a natural child. Oh, fuck that shit. Yes, we had a doula with a turban on. So, you know. And you don't get an award for that, by the way. You do not get an award for giving birth naturally. Oh. 15 hours I tried to go. I asked for the epidural before I'm in pain, but go on.

By the way. Finally, after 24 hours, she said, give me the shot. Give it to me. So, but I'm there the whole time waiting because I'm going to be pulling the kid out, right? Finally, after 24 hours, she said, give me the shot. Give it to me. But I'm there the whole time waiting because I'm going to be pulling the kid out, right? And so she's in labor all this time and finally the moment comes and the doctor says, the crown is out, you know, it's time to come over. I come over and he says, it's all yours and I have to reach in now and go in and grab a shoulder and pull it out. And I did say, wear my gloves. He said, you're the dad. You don't need to wear gloves.

So anyway, as I pulled her out, I noticed, I said, oh my god, we've given birth to a monster. Because her head. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Her head was like a cone. Six inches long, like a cone. And she looked like the flying purple people leader. And I didn't know what to say. I had to pull the baby out with still

with the umbilical cord attached and our whole plan was to put the baby on Lisa's stomach and then they have the baby breastfeed right away and I'm going how can I tell her that the baby is deformed that we've given birth to a monster you know and I was terrified but the baby is deformed? That we've given birth to a monster, you know? And I was terrified about the whole thing. And the nurse came in and said, no, don't worry. Here's a hat. Put a hat on.

A hat on the cone. On the cone so that Lisa couldn't see that she was so deformed. But she was in the canal. The very small birth canal. She was in the canal for 24 hours. And imagine the trauma of being in that birth canal for that long.

I don't think Lisa Raina has a big birth canal. I don't. It's very narrow. It was narrow and she was squished in there and she's got some head trauma from it I think. Okay so that's the Lila. Okay so I'm trying to define the difference between these two kids. But Jesus it's taking a lot of time. It's taking as long as our head. I'm keeping up. By the way, it is freaky when they come out like that. That same thing happened with Townes for a second.

And I saw it, like, what's happening here? Then it kind of goes, it goes back. And they don't tell you about that. They tell you about everything else. They don't tell you about that. It comes out long, like a long head. So Amelia comes through, we go to the hospital. Three years later, cut to three years later.

Three years later, Amelia, she's pregnant. We go to the hospital now this time. I'm prepared I've got a cooler. I've got a boombox. I've got While I got all this stuff in the car that I've got to go. Yeah, she goes they put her in the bed I'm going out to get the cooler. I come back and out comes I like get that epidural right as I'm before I'm even lying down With the cooler and the doctor says, Harry, you're up. And I go, what?

I have to go over and pull out Amelia. So Amelia came right out. She was not stuck in the canal. So one child had to deal with all that trauma, and Amelia didn't have to deal with it. So that kind of explains why I don't. She came out silently. So Delilah comes out screaming bloody murder, of course,

right, because her head is like a cone. Amelia comes out silently. So Delilah comes out screaming bloody murder, of course, right, because her head is like a cone. Amelia comes out silent, not a word. You're scared about that too, you can't win. Nothing, not a word. And then pees all over you, right? She peed all over you. Her very first natural act. She still was attached with the cord

and I'm pulling her out and I feel this warm stuff on my hands. So cute. I look down and she's peeing all over her father. That's pretty cool though, that you delivered your own kids. I won't feel this warm stuff on my hands. I look down and she's peeing all over her father. That's pretty cool though, that you delivered your own kids. I won't let Michael go anywhere near my pussy when I'm delivering.

You don't want him to look at it? No thanks. I don't want him to look at anything. I just, I want him out of my hair. It's probably smart. Wait a sec, I gotta tell you, the bond created by delivering the kid and going in there.

And between me and Lisa too. It wasn't just between me and the kids. It's true, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, I'm sure. And between me and Lisa too. Yeah. It wasn't just between me and the kid. It's true. It's pretty amazing. No, I'm sure it's amazing. But it wouldn't touch me for three months, because I got snipped. You got snipped like you couldn't have any more babies.

No, I got cut. She got an episiotomy. Oh. Epsiotomy, and he watched it. Yeah, I was standing right there. So the doctor didn't tell him. He didn't say, oh, maybe here you want to look away. No, he just reached over for a pair of sterling scissors and went like this and just went

snip and it was like chicken. And he watched it. Lauren, our bond's pretty good. No, I don't want you near there. I just don't, I don't want, he's a little like panicked. Well then, I don't know. Yeah. It's like too- No, listen, I'm more mellow.

I don't want to mess something up. I don't think it's a bad idea. I'm good. I don't think it's a bad idea. But I good. I don't think it's a bad idea. But I do think you would have a good bond, but I think you're going to have to miss out on that bond. But I will say, this time, like, so I did the second time around, you know, cooler, cookies for the nurse, all the things, sleeping bags, this time I'm going to come with their

tent, like, because that little chair they put the guys on, it's brutal. The fact that you guys are complaining about the shit for the husbands is honestly wild. And embarrassing. And so embarrassing. By the way, she's passing a bowling ball through an opening that big. And getting cut in this and stitched. I understand, but-

Did you get cut? That is the worst part of it all. I don't remember, like, if they cut me. You wouldn't remember. Or you rip. Maybe, yeah, they put a husband stitch in there. Yeah, they did. I asked for it, I saw my doctor,

I was like, you better stitch that 16 year old. So the OBG went and looked at me and he said, you're gonna like this. When he started to stitch her back up. I got no problems down there. I'm tight as a drum. Oh my God! That'll be the headline, Lisa.

No, it's tight, tight as a drum. All my girlfriends are having their vajayjays all redone. There's the doctor, he came on our podcast, The Vagina Whisperer. He doesajayjay's like all redone. There's the doctor he came on our podcast the vagina whisper. He does the whole- They've all done it. They're all getting their labia sona. And does it look good? I don't- I haven't looked. They're happy with it.

They're happy with it. He told me that all the politicians' wives love it. I'm not even going down that- I'm not even going to ask about that. All the politicians' wives love the vagina makeover. Okay. I don't know why that makes me so nervous. I think I don't think it isolated it to just politicians.

It was an emphasis on politicians' wives. Wow. I'm just saying, that's what it was. Well, that's a competitive field. Maybe that's how you keep your husband, I don't know. What are you doing between Days of Our Lives and Howes Wives, both of you, career-wise? Melrose Place.

Oh my God. Melrose Place. Yeah. Was that so amazing that time? It was so fun, because I watched it. That was like the biggest thing. And I came on season five, so I mean, imagine getting to go on your favorite show you ever watch.

Housewives. Right. I don't think I'd be good on Housewives, so I've watched too many, like Harry said. I've watched too many. But Melrose Place is insane. It was fun. It was a great time. It was in the height of it. Everybody was so famous. Heather Locklear was the biggest, you know, actor

on the planet at the point. I mean, no one was more famous. Who else was on the show with you? Daphne Zuniga, Josie Bissette, Jack Wagner, Heather, oh, who played Michael? Fuck, I can't remember, Laura Layton, all of, I mean, everybody. You guys were like, that was like the height of fame, right?

It was the height, it was very much. And is there paparazzi at this point? Very much so, yeah. So everywhere you guys go? Yeah, especially Heather Locklear, like somebody like Heather couldn't go anywhere. Wild. Very famous. And what are you doing at this time?

Raising the kids. Oh, so you took a break in your career to raise the kids? Well, my son, Ursula Anders is my son's mother. She was the first Bond girl. You may or may not know that. Exactly who that is. Yeah. Every young man does.

Yeah, right? So she. Nobody more gorgeous. So she took my son to Italy to raise him. And so I couldn't, I wasn't with him. I was here, she was there. So he kind of had some issues because Dad wasn't around when he was growing up.

So when we had our kids, I said to Lisa, listen, I'm not going to make that mistake again. I'm going to be here all during their childhood. And not go film like in Canada or... I'm not going to go take a job in New York or Canada or Sydney or Australia, but I'm not gonna go on location. I'll stay here. And then what happened is the business in LA took off.

In 1998, that was when all the incentives came up in Louisiana, New York and all that, and the business left LA. So basically, I stayed and I put the kids to bed every night for 18 years or so. And I worked a little extra. Wow. She kind of did the heavy lifting for a while

because I stayed home as Mr. Mom. But it was worth it. How long were you on Melrose Place? Only two years. And then what was after Melrose Place? I did a talk show. Then I did a pivot. And?

I did a talk show for four years called Soap Talk. It was right- I remember that. Remember Soap Talk? Yeah, I remember that. Nominated for an Emmy every year, by the way. That was cool. Geez, you went to like the housewives' school. I did.

You were like almost... Now, the days of the lives, the Melrose Place... Think about it. Oh, I can think about it. Well-trained for that job. I came in with a pedigree. It's true. No one had a chance.

And they didn't. Yeah, no one had a chance. No one had a chance. And they didn't. Yeah, no one had a chance. No one had a chance, and I didn't even know that. You know what I mean? You didn't know going in. She didn't watch it. I didn't know I was as prepared for what I was about to do. I had no idea that I had trained for it

for the past eight years. That's kind of wild, the foreshadowing of that. Like, I know now. Now that we're talking about it, I go, yeah, I was a good housewife. I had some really good training. Like I said, a connoisseur, you are in the Hall of Fame. I am, I know.

And the Hall of Fame is not like a big Hall of Fame. I know, and I can say that too. I honestly can say it. You did it. You checked the box. I checked the box. You know what I mean? I say that she's the goat. Oh. So cute. I mean, I know, I say that she's the goat. Oh. So cute.

I mean, I know. I haven't seen all the other shows. No, Lisa, you were great. I did my job. Yeah, and I watched, you know, he asked if I watched. It's kind of hard not to watch when it's on. Of course. You love it.

He watched every single one when I was on. Side note, listening to reality TV, and specifically The Housewives, just from your ear when someone's listening, is the most annoying thing in the world. I don't care. But watching it is a different thing. You can't side listen to it. You gotta watch it. So when she would have it on, I would get drawn in.

Of course, so would he. And you were great. Thank you. Really great. Yeah, she was. I would like to watch it again. After you did the soap, was then Housewives or no? What was...

So I did Soap Talk. You had a store. I had a store for 10 years with Harry and Bill Gray. I remember that. Palm Springs, I store. I had a store for 10 years with Harry and Belgrade. I remember that. Palm Springs, I remember. It was in Palm Springs. No, it was here in Sherman Oaks.

Oh, why did I think something was in Palm Springs? We, no. We talked about it in Las Vegas. No, something in your book was in Palm Springs. Or am I crazy? We used to go to Palm Springs. Something in your book about Palm Springs. All right, so you're not crazy.

We used to go there a lot. Okay, I thought there was Palm Springs. Okay, Sherman Oaks. So we did Belgrade and then, what did I, how did I get, it was after Belgrade that, what did I do after that? How did I get to Housewives? Well, I, listen, I couldn't even get an agent. I was really not in a great place to get hired.

Why? I don't know. Whatever. We walked out, we did this retail thing. We did stores from 2003 to 2011. And I think, you know, that takes up all your know. Whatever. We walked out, we did this retail thing. We did stores from 2003 to 2011. And I think that takes up all your time. If you're going to do a store, you go into retail. It's a lot of work. A brick and mortar, too.

It's a lot. It was mom and pop. We didn't have anybody backing us. We did it ourselves. So when Howl's Wives comes knocking, are you like, I want to do this? Or are you like, I don't know? Well, I knew that reality was really the place

that was starting to happen. Yeah. Because I'm visually that way really the place that was starting to happen. Yeah. You know, cause I'm visually that way, I can tell what's going on. So I was like, hmm, this is interesting. And then I started to see, you know, what the girls were doing on Housewives

and how they were, you know, benefiting from it with their brands. And I thought, oh, maybe this is a good idea. So I kind of floated the idea, they picked it up. They came to me and said, you know, do you want to do the show? I went to Harry and I thought, oh, maybe this is a good idea. So I kind of floated the idea, they picked it up, they came to me and said, you know, do you want to do the show? I went to Harry and I said, I think this might be a good idea. What do you think?

He goes, absolutely not. I will divorce you if you do that show. I did say that. I said, I have my divorce lawyer on speed dial, which I do, I still have it. How'd you convince him with the point? And so at that point I was like, oh well, okay. You know, it was an idea.

Ironically, ironically, it was Bethany Frankel. Yeah, her business at the time. Her skinny girl business at the time, I went back to him. No, I didn't go back to him. All I said was, okay, all I want you to do is just check out this person and see what her business is like. And because that's what I've been thinking.

And we had a QVC business at the time. I had just started doing QVC. You are crushing, people need to know about that. Thank you. Yeah, we gotta talk about that. Thank you. So I said, just think about that. And he was like, nope, nope, I'll divorce you,

no fucking way. And I was like, okay, and I let it go. I said, everybody gets divorced on that show. You did. And I said, okay, I'll let it go. And I- He's not wrong, though, he wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong.

Yeah. And I walked away and I didn't even hold the thought. I thought, okay, I'll let it go. It's not wrong, though. He wasn't wrong. It wasn't wrong. And I walked away, and I didn't even hold the thought. I thought, well, maybe it was an idea, but he's not gonna go for it. Fine. Two or three days later, he comes back to me in the bedroom, because that's kind of where we have our talks. And I'm like in bed, and he sits in the chair. With your ivy mugs?

Yes. That's very good. Is that why we have the ivy mugs? Yes! We so love it! Go ahead. The pineapple one and the iconic print. I love my ivy mug. I should have had one here every morning. I know that's why we had them. I'm bringing one here now for my room. You should. You should drink that on air. You know what? You should do a collaboration with them. Go ahead., so three days later, he comes back in the room and says, well, I've been thinking. And then what did you say? Well, I said, if Bethany Frankel can build a business like that, we can too. Why don't you do it? And maybe this is the way to do it. But yeah, that was, and it was a good thing. Look, I supported her the whole time doing it.

I never said I couldn't do it or shouldn't do it. There was one caveat though, that people should know and no one knows. So I'm gonna say it. So when I first started talking to them, I said, listen, Harry's an actor. We can't fuck his career. So what are we gonna do about that?

And they're like, we have to have all husbands on the show, da da da da da. And I go, but we can't ruin his career. He's a real actor. So I ended up talking to Sherri Levine, who was the top, top, top lady. And I just said, you know, I really want to do it, but is there anything we can do to just limit his exposure?

And they agreed to that. No, no, no, they didn't. Wait a sec. They did. I have to say, I have to go back. What? You remember the very first night you were on the show, you were at Pump. Yes. And I was shooting a show, I was up in Vancouver shooting. That's a different story though, but yes.

But it's how I didn't have to go on the show. Okay, finish. I forget. I forget, finish! So. But that's the deal I made. That's the deal I made with them. I had to sign a release. In order for me to come on the show. They said we will not hire Lisa unless Harry signs his release. I blanked this out. I was up in Canada filming this thing and I said

to Lisa, listen, I'm going to miss my plane because they wanted me to fly back that night and be part of the shoot. Her very first night was your birthday. It was my birthday. The very first night she would ever be on the Housewives. And I was supposed to join them, but I couldn't walk on the set without signing the release. They're such fuckers.

And I was supposed to get there at 7 when they were going to start to shoot, and I missed my flight on purpose. I came in at 930, and they had already shot two and a half hours with Lisa. And when I got there, they said, sign the release. I said, I'm not signing the release. And they pulled all the cameras out. They said, OK, we're not going to shoot Lisa.

Lisa's not on the show. And then they called New York. And New York had seen the footage already for the two and a half hours that she'd been on. And they said, she's golden. We can't lose her now. And I got him pregnant. And then I refused to sign the release.

He never signed anything. So they had to put me on without a release. That's how I was able to do it without having to be on the show all the time. You knew this was going to happen? Yeah, I knew that. I knew I couldn't sign it. Wait, this is like the most genius thing I've ever heard.

So you never signed anything so you could come and go and be as fluid as you wanted to without having a chokehold. And they knew that they had gold with you, like you said. They know they, I had gotten them pregnant. I let them shoot with her for two and a half hours. And they knew how great she was in that first two and a half hours. That's right. That's why they never fucking sued us or came down on us or anything because you didn't have, you didn't sign anything.

Isn't there also a clause and correct me if I'm wrong, that if you launch a product on the show, they have to take a percentage? Yes, but it was right before that whatever clause that people are talking about. The Bethany clause. Because when I came on with my QVC deal and I said, you're not getting a ounce of that.

And they said, okay. So they didn't take an ounce of that, but anything else that I would do going forward yeah they were my question I guess is if he had signed a release would he have to give a percentage of his sauce no okay no okay not not not probably but I don't know I don't know so good he did it you know what if we were still on and he made the sauce on the show, they would want something, yes.

Well, what you guys did so smart, in my opinion, is you sort of like content marketed the sauce. Like you made everyone watching the show want the sauce right now, but it wasn't for sale. So then when you launch it, everyone's like obsessed. But it was a complete accident. It was an accident, but it was a genius accident. It was a genius accident without ever any planning going in. There was no planning because

I actually started the company to release the sauce because I had no choice. I mean everybody, everywhere I went, two things came out of people's mouths. I love your wife. How can I get your sauce? Well, when you walked in I said, where's my sauce? I know, why don't we bring some? That's okay. No, no, no. I'm going to order it. I want to order it. I want to support. So when, Lisa, you're filming, what are the other Housewives that you like playing off of in a sort of like soap opera way?

And were you one of the first women on that show to come with the background you have? Were there other? Denise Richards came later. Eileen and I came on together. So? Eileen and I came on together. So Eileen Davidson and I came on together. And listen, Kim Richards and Kyle were child actors. Sure.

So we're not the first first, but we were the first ones to come on with an acting profile. In the beginning, I was up for Housewives season one. I went in. I went in for casting. I got pretty far and Andy said, I don't want any actresses on the show. So he wouldn't, didn't hire me. He'll tell the story, he tells the story.

Season five, when I came in, he decided to let actresses come and they hired me and Eileen Davidson. So it did change the game because we came in as soap actors, you know what I mean? Like together. Who was the most fun though to film with in a dramatic, like soapy way?

Like when you look back at it. Who was like, who was the ping pong? Her, only Eileen, because it was not fun. It's none of it is fun. Nothing's fun. I have a question that I've asked so many Housewives that have come on the show. I asked Jenna Lyonses. I could not go on those trips.

There's something about those trips that make me sweat with hives. Like you don't have... I like to be with my significant other. I think you're the same way. You don't have your kids. You don't have your stuff. The girls' trips. You might not have your glam. I don't know. It's just... it feels like really overwhelming and then you're stuck with all this drama.

Is that like a nightmare? It's a total nightmare. It seems like it. Well, if you think about it, my very first season is when Amsterdam happened, that was my first trip. That was my first trip. I didn't know that. Yeah, and it's so devastating because you have no idea.

You're like, I don't really wanna go on this trip, but ooh, we have to and- We'll make it fun. We'll make it fun. But it's everything you just said, but that was 10 bajillion times. And you're jet lagged. And you're jet lagged.

And you're really overtired and they make you work right away. And you're not eating. And so, you know, Amsterdam happened after we sat down for only five minutes. We'd only been there for five minutes when that blowup happened. And explain to if someone hasn't watched the show

what scene you're referencing. Well, there's a scene in Amsterdam where Kim Richards says something about Harry or she insinuates something to me about Harry. Now we'd already been having issues on the show and she was giving me the cold shoulder on the trip to Amsterdam, so it was already weird. You know when somebody won't talk to you,

won't look at you? So it was already weird. So we were all already heightened. And the producers had basically told her what she needed to do. She had her walking papers and her orders, and she did it. She just did it.

And they knew exactly the buttons to push. And we were sitting at a dinner, and she said something insinuating about Harry. We hadn't even ordered drinks yet. I was going to say, was there alcohol? No, not even. I mean, I think we'd ordered them, but nobody had even taken a sip. So she says something that is so...

It enrages me in a way that nothing ever has. And- Didn't she say, let's not talk about the husband? She did. She said, let's not talk about what you don't want out there. And she had already called Eileen a beast and she was already being, you know, a full on cunt.

And so when she went after Harry, well, when she went after Harry, that was it, right? Like there was a buildup. You were done. You can go see the scene a bajillion times. So I literally found myself across the table going at her throat and then thinking to myself, you must not touch her or you will go to jail in Amsterdam.

That's what stopped me, I swear to you. I pull myself back, the wine glass is there, I have so much energy, I just pick it up and smash it, and that's what happened. Never have I done anything like that in my life ever. When you see how viral this goes, because I mean, like everyone is like using the scene in their Instagrams, it's on stories, it's a meme,

it's everywhere, are you like, not I've struck gold, but like this is a soap opera, but it's a different way. Well, it kind of took years for that to happen. It didn't happen right away. Like, so say five years later, six years later, it starts to take that on. But I knew once it was over, that it was a devastating event.

Like if you'd been there with us, everyone was in tears. Kyle Richards had run out of the, you know, down the street. We were devastated. And then the producers were like, oh, okay, next morning, get up, time to go, we're working. You're gonna get in the fucking car. Little Lisa Rinna from Bedford, Oregon. We were devastated and they're like,

we've got a fucking hit. We are, yeah. What's harder to do, Housewives or your crazy schedule at QVC? Because that's another crazy schedule. Housewives is the hardest thing I will ever do. So that must feel liberating that you're like, do you check the box? I feel liberated that I did it for eight years and I gave it my all.

I feel super liberated about that. You gave it your all. I don't think there was any more I could have done. No. And I think you have to know when to leave the party. It's very hard to leave that party. It's very hard to leave that party. But I told you this off air.

The way that you've done it is, in my opinion, the best anyone's ever done it. Thank you. You left it with, you almost like kind of went quiet for a beat. What does Sung Su say? What does Sung Su say? Art of War, he says like, retreat for a minute.. You were treated and then you just came back with the bang and it was like boom boom boom boom boom. The way you did that was was really smart.

It was like the best time to leave is when they still want more. You don't want to leave enough. It was one of the hardest things to do. You know, I was saying this the other day, I almost did it at the reunion. I almost left while I was sitting at the reunion. I almost announced it while I was sitting there. And I stopped myself. You came home that night from the reunion and told me, you said, I'm done, I'm finished. And I sent the email at like 12 o'clock at night, but I almost did it sitting there.

And I wish I had, because no one's ever done that. I wish I had had the balls, I was too chicken at the time, to say, you know what, guys, this has been a great run, but I'm gonna be done now, this is gonna be it. I wish I'd done that. If I were to do it again, I would do it that way. That's traumatic, but I still like the way, I like the evolution and the way that you've left. When she decided to leave, were you ready, Harry?

For it to be done. You were done. Totally, 100%. I mean, imagine they have to live through it. It's a lot of stress. All of them have to live through it. I've said on this show multiple times when we interview people that have done these things,

like, it's very, I say like, it's very rare this works out for the men. Luckily, like, you guys are still together and solid. Well, luckily, it didn't sign that release, huh? But I mean, like, you know, doing what we do over the years, you get looped into different conversations. And I'm like, this is for families, for marriages. Like, at some point, I know it could be great for the business,

but at what cost? You did do it right. Well, look at the show now. I mean, it's sad. I think you two are the fortunate ones. Well, also, I mean, Lisa and I have done a lot of work on our relationship. And we've also had the benefit of all the books

that the kids are reading and all this stuff. You know, we're not coming into the whole situation, and I mean life, as idiots. You were also really there for me. Like, he was like a second therapist, and really helped me. You have to have, you still have people do. You sort of discount the fact that I do have a degree

in psychology from Yale, and it does help. Oh my god, there's the onion dude. Wow! Oh, I'm sorry. You're a chef, you're a business owner, you have a degree from Yale. Well, I mean that psychology degree did come in handy when you're dealing with all the personality disorders that you're dealing with on a daily basis. It is true, we have the DSM-5 upstairs and we've gone through it many times. Oh my gosh.

Don't you find it strange? Like, I've always found it so strange when I see, and again, I'm not saying this to throw shade or diminish, but when I see these men in fights with the women on behalf of their wives. I mean, you want to defend your wife, obviously, but it's, I can't imagine fighting with them. I should do a Housewives Masterclass as a viewer for the husbands.

Here's what you do and here's what you don't do as a viewer. They can't help themselves. I can't imagine being in a fight with you and a bunch of women. Harry never did. No. See, that's why it worked. That's why it worked out. Because he never wanted to be there to begin with. So think about it, he never showed up at a party.

Uh-uh. Ever. He never got into it with anybody. I mean, when PK first came on, he was like another housewife. And we were like, PK, for fuck's sake, get a diamond. I mean, go away. And I say this again, it's like maybe Harry, because of the platform that you had

and the notoriety that you, like, maybe you didn't need some of the things that some of these guys thought they needed. Like you already kind of had it. You know what I mean? Like your Harry Hamlin. You had the swagger. I mean, also we have to talk about, you were on Mad Men.

Yeah, that's right. That's pretty cool. It was really cool. You forgot that? I don't forget that. No, but I mean, that's pretty cool. It's so cool. When you got Mad Men, that was amazing.

And you got nominated for an Emmy. That's wild. And they had to sneak me in, by the way. The casting directors, they put another name on the docket because Matt Weiner wouldn't see anybody who had a profile, but the casting directors thought I would be perfect for that season. And so they put another name on the docket. When I walked through the door, he did not know I was coming in to meet him.

And did you get hired right on the spot? No. I didn't get the part. I first went in to meet him for a part of like a one day. It was a one day part. And I said to Lisa, it's only one day. And I was like, go in. I go, go in anyway.

Go audition. It's Mad Men. I was watching it. You guys were fans of the show. I was. He didn't watch it, I don't think. I didn't really watch it at that point. I was a huge fan.

I had seen season one. But then there was like an 18 month gap because of some contract dispute that they had. So I kind of lost interest in it. But then when I went in and I met Matt Weiner and read with him and then I got the call from my agent and said, you didn't get the part. I go, oh, what the fuck?

OK, so I met Matt Weiner. Fine. And then about a month later, Matt called me up and he said, you know what? We didn't give you that part because we wanted something bigger for you. And we're going to give you this part of Jim Cutler. So, and that ended up being a two, almost three season arc,

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And the girls loved her, and everyone was so sweet to her, and the fans loved her. And it was just a special, special moment and time. Yeah, that relationship was a standout on the show. Thank you. So now you guys are doing your own show. Ha ha! For you at Dear Media!

We're so excited. Tell us about the whole idea, how it happened, what we can expect, everything. There's not a lot to tell. No, there isn't. Is it there? No. Listen, here's how it all began. When I was doing Housewives, I stopped doing podcasts

because I got myself in so much trouble. Well, you're honest. Which is great on the way. And I only did a couple of them, and then I said to my publicist, I will never, I'm not doing podcasts anymore. We're done. So I didn't do any. Everyone then started to get podcasts, all the Housewives, everybody I know on the planet,

call me up, will you do my podcast? Text me, will you do my podcast? Nope, I don't do podcasts. Nope, I don't do podcasts. Nope, I did this for years. We were trying to get you for years, Lisa. Right, I know. 2017.

And I have literally said no every time, but I've said no to everybody except Teddy Mellencamp. While we were on the show, she literally begged me and I was like, Teddy, I'll do it for you. I'm gonna do it for you. I went on with Erica and Kyle. We did it as a group and it was fine. And it was fun and we had a good time.

So I can now get Teddy to come on my show, but I don't think anyone else will because I've said no to everybody on the planet. Everyone. No, no, you guys can do swaps. Like you can say, hey, I can go on your show and you can come on mine So it'll be even Lisa. I mean this like honestly for both of you if guests come on your show great But you don't need them. We don't you don't need guests. I know you can just do your thing

It's not and you both know it's not easy being on a mic and you guys are damn good at it together There's it's a Complimentary take Howell's Wives out of this when this got put on my radar that you wanted to do this, and thank you for doing it with us, I was so excited, not because of all the other stuff we've talked about, but because I used to listen to you when you would go on Stern. I can't believe that.

All the time. I can't even believe that. And then you mix in Harry with it. But I remember listening, and you know how great those shows were received. And I was super honest on that show. He never heard any of those shows. He never heard any of it. Everybody said, hey, whatever you do, Harry,

do not listen to Howard Stern. Why, what are the questions? He asked you about sex? Oh, yeah. He said, it's Stern. Everything. Everything. Like, you name it. Apparently, it was everything.

But listen, he asked everybody about those things. And I remember it sticking in my mind, like, the fact that I remember those shows. And I didn't really, you know, like, I was obviously not your target demo at the time. And I was in my, must've been in my early twenties. Well, and I had done Dancing with Stars. That's how it started.

They started having me on because of that. But I would hear it and I'm like, man, that person kills it on a mic. You know what you should do? You should go back on Stern. Like you're launching your podcast. You should go back. Hey, did you hear him talking about you recently? No.

He was talking, he was saying, he was talking about the housewives. So I still listen to him once in a while. And he was saying, I don't know what's going on there, but they need to get Lisa back on here. You're kidding. That's cool. He had a moment where he was a little bit anti-me on Housewives. I remember hearing that he wasn't speaking so nicely about me. And I thought, oh, that's too bad. But that's what Howard does. I think he wants you back now because I think he's seeing what's going on. Okay. Well, that's good. Maybe I can go on again. I haven't been on in like 15 years. That would be amazing.

Howard, let's do it. I'll come on and talk. Better than the universe. I have to ask you this. What are your health tips? Sorry, Michael. I need to know like what you eat in a day. Your body is absolutely banging.

You have a beautiful body after two children. Give us some tips. You know what? It's the husband. It's the husband, exactly. It's the husband. It's the husband. It's the sauce. It's the sauce. It's the sauce.

Harry, after this, I'm gonna ask you about your body, okay? No, I wanna know, like, do you have cream in your coffee? What are you eating in the morning? What are you fasting? What's the tips? Okay, I'm gonna give you a real easy thing. I was born genetically very fucking lucky. I was, I'm fucking lucky. I was.

I'm not gonna, like, I don't do anything special. Do I? Slim Jims. I love Slim Jims. Slim Jims like the- Fucking love a Slim Jims. Well, you got there at the gas station. You know the Slim Jims?

Love a Slim Jim. I will eat anything I want. I will. I'm not on any weird diet. I eat when I want to eat. She eats stuff that I would not go near. I love cake, I love pizza, I love pasta. So you're just naturally thin.

The answer every woman wants to hear. Are you working out every day? I do work out like a fiend, I do. She does, she goes. What are you doing for a workout? But not even that much anymore. Okay, listen, I'm consistent, that's what I do. Okay. I am consistent.

I don't go one way over here too far, I don't go one way over here too far. Wouldn't you say that's what I do. Okay. I am consistent. I don't go one way over here too far I don't go one way over here too far. Wouldn't you say that's what I do? I'm just consistent like every day consistent every other day She's pretty much every day every day one thing or another Weightlifting what yoga is my favorite? Okay of all of them yoga number one, but I'll do anything I'll do a spin class. I'll hike I Work out probably five days a week doing something. So you move your body. I move my body.

And are you doing any intermittent fasting? Yes. So what do you do? I do that. I just don't eat until, he really does that. He's a big intermittent fast. Until 10 until one. Well, I do it whenever, like if today I was hungry,

so I had a bar. So you listen to your body. I listen to my body. Other, I do it when I, like if today I was hungry, so I had a bar. So you listen to your body. I listen to my body. Other days I can go till one, but I do what works for me. What works for me isn't necessarily gonna work for somebody else. Do you know what I mean?

That's the key to it. Consistency. I try everything. I've tried everything. Everything. You say that in your book. Every diet, everything. And I don't know, less is more is the thing. It sounds like you just like kind of do portion control

and just kind of eat what you feel. It's the husband. Okay, it's the husband. Tell us about the sauce. The sauce is all the rage right now. Tell us about the sauce. The sauce is everywhere, Harry. Tell us about the sauce though.

Like everyone wants to buy the sauce. Tell us what's in the sauce, why we should buy the sauce. Should we put the sauce on? There are seven ingredients in the sauce. Tell us what's in the sauce, why we should buy the sauce, what should we put the sauce on, and it's fresh. Because there are seven ingredients in the sauce. The thing, we started the open food company, my niece and I, she does the cooking show with me, and she's a certified Cordon Bleu trained chef, and she's also been in the food business

for more than 25 years. Anyway, so we decided to start this company where everything that we put out is going to be absolutely pure. So there'll be no quote unquote natural flavors, there will be no preservatives, there'll be it'll be only the kitchen found ingredients in everything that we put out, whether it's going to be sauces or other foods. So it's going to be a whole new way for people to know that when they're buying something from the open food company, they're getting

absolutely pure ingredients. That's amazing. Right? Really cool. Especially in this moment in time. And so and the thing with the open food company they're getting absolutely pure ingredients. That's amazing. It's really cool. Especially in this moment in time. And so and the thing with the open food company and why it's called the open food companies because it's 100% transparent. Cool. So we're gonna be telling everybody how we make everything. So in you I can tell you how to make my sauce right now you can make it at home. You know you just need a little bit of olive oil, some garlic, some rosemary,

some tomato sauce, and tomato paste, and some and tomato paste and some red wine and some honey. That's it. That sounds delicious. Those are all the ingredients. It's delicious, it is. I can't wait to review the sauce. It's delicious. Yeah.

It's good, it's different. I like to add a little honey to it. I like it a little sweeter. Okay. That's what I do. You put it on your pasta or you eat it just plain or you eat it with meat? All of the best.

Everything, you can put it on anything. Yeah, he's making it with other things now. You're like putting it in the slow cooker with these. Talk about that. Yeah, because some of the recipes that the fans have come up with. This is so cool. These slow cook recipes,

well, they've made beef bourguignon with it. They've made chicken cacciatore. They've made all these different dishes. Just using my sauce instead of red wine. And they've poured it in. Like this one person said, just take a few chunks of meat, throw in your sauce, put in some carrots and put it in the slow cooker

for 12 hours and it's amazing. And it was amazing. I've been the guinea pig. I've tasted it all. It's all really good. The fans are so obsessed with you guys still. What is both of your relationships with social media like? Are you guys in your comments? Are you guys like, not?

Do you delete your Instagram? He has zero social media. I have never looked at a comment in my life. Zero. I wouldn't know how to go on Facebook. No, but the fans talk about you all the time. I wouldn't know how to go on Instagram. I have no clue how to even go on it.

Well, TikTok's gonna be deleted in a week, apparently. On Sunday. Yeah. He has no idea. He's the happiest person on the planet because he has no social media. I know, social media. We have someone that does it for him if he has no idea. He's the happiest person on the planet because he has no social media. We have someone that does it for him if he has to promote, but he's oblivious to it all.

Imagine. I'll do that with TikTok. I don't want to consume it. Good for you. I don't look at it. It's just, I just don't, it makes you happy. We'll go speak at like schools sometimes, which is hilarious because half of these schools

would never let us in. And now I speak. But I always tell people, especially the students, I'm like, you have to decide if you're using it as a tool or if you're a consumer. If you're just a consumer, then you have to revisit your relationship with it. Well, that's smart. Okay. Wow.

Your husband is all smart over here. We all deliver my baby. But I think especially for young people, because so many of these, they get so caught up in it and they don't like the way that Lauren and I primarily use it and have used it is fully transparent is this tool. It's a tool to build businesses and connect. I agree. That's how I use it.

And of course there's other benefits to connect with people and we DM and we talk, but it's primarily a tool. If you're just using it and you don't have an application outside of your scrolling and it's taking your time, it's a problem. But it does fuck you up. Of course. It does, the negativity fucks you up and it can't not.

Of course. It is inhuman. The whole world is fucked up by it. It's out of control. It's inhuman, it still affects me, I don't like it, it's mean, it gives people permission to be mean. And I don't like that part. You also get a lot of love though.

I do get a lot of love, but that last year on the show, girl, that was some hate like I've never seen in my entire life. It was rough. But what they didn't understand, and I'll say it and you maybe don't agree with me, is there's a character element to it.

You were doing your job. I don't understand. I know. They really, they don't understand that. And, and, and you know, now- Do they want boring or do they want- Well, now they understand it. Now I'm beg, I mean, they're begging me to come back.

They're pleading with me, but you know, too late, fuckers. She's walking at fashion shows, Michael. She is like, I mean, well, that's- I'm having fun. I'm having fun. Before you go- This has been so fun, by the way. Thank you for having us.

You're welcome. Did we talk to your podcast, Cherry, for coming on a show? Yeah. Together first time? Yeah. Yeah, that's the first time we did it together. You just did it. You just popped our podcast together, Cherry.

I love it. Before you go, cast the perfect housewife cast. You cast it. Me? Yeah. Pull the players, if you had to pull it. You're producing it. You're the Andy Cohen. Jesus.

From the existing franchise? Either one. You could do just Beverly Hills or you can pull. You've got to come up with eight people quick. OK, wait. All right. So. And it doesn't have to be people that you like. It's just people who you know are

going to perform the job. OK, I can do a really good show right now. I know. See? We got Nene Leakes. We got that bee girl that I know are gonna perform the job. Okay, I can do a really good show right now. I know, see? We got NeNe Leakes, we got that B-girl that I won't even say the name. Countess Luan, Ramona, Sonia. A lot of New Yorkers.

Myself, or an OC, what's your name? Vicki, from the OC. One more. I need one more? Teddy. Let me think. Lisa Vanderpump. Okay. You were gonna end with that. I knew it. Alright, so this is the All Stars. So what you've just done is create a new show for Andy Cohen. I know. All Stars. You did a producing credit. I did. You're welcome, Andy Cohen.

I know, but each of those are gonna be an expensive price ticket, but they will bring it. That's the new show, in my opinion. But listen, I even could put my ego aside to give you that show. You could do it, you would do that show? I put, I'm not sure, but I think that's the show, if I'm not wrong, right? That is the show, and the reason that you could put

your ego aside to do it is because you know that all those people would bring it. I know. Those are the OGs. That's the true professional. That would be an intense season. Where can everyone find your show, your Instagram, pimp yourselves out, your sauce, not Harry's Instagram though, but... My Instagram? We're on Dear Media. Yeah, Dear Media, yeah. Our show is called Let's Not Talk About the Husband with Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin. No. No. I didn't know that. Let's Not Talk About the Husband is the title

of our podcast. Let's Not Talk About the Husband. Is that not fucking genius? That's great, that's great. I know you guys were working on it for a minute. It took a minute. Let's Not Talk About the Husband. I like it. That's an amazing title.

That's a good one. Thank you. And it can be found everywhere. Everybody. Everywhere. And you are technically our bosses. No. No, no, no.

I don't think so. Well, you're your own bosses. That is so funny. It's on lips. Isn't it so good? Stop you guys. This is gonna crush it. Oh, I'm so excited for you guys.

This is gonna be so fun. Michael and I have done this for nine years. We've had the best time doing this together Really? It's well, it's it's challenging good. Okay. All right Challenging because you you are driving home. You got to get out of the car on PCH. Is that what? Challenging cuz he he wants to talk and ruminate about it all the time and I need my own space sometimes. Like when we're done, we separate for a good couple of hours.

You got it really quickly before you go talk about that. What do you mean? You know, this is what we do. We've done it for the last three days. So we've shot or done our thing for three days. We drive here together, we get home. When we get home, I probably don't see him for a good two hours. We go separate ways.

You're gonna be able to do that, Lauren? We do. We've gone separate ways. But has that, that has just been by chance. We're still in the house. Just by chance. That hasn't been. But it's, I think it's helpful.

But, but here's my question. When you're in the car driving away from the show, are you talking about it? We did one day. We did. And what happened? Well. Well, it was day two, it got a little bit personal. Yep. And we decided, we didn it got a little bit personal.

And we decided we didn't want to get too personal. And it got a little like, jabby. That's okay, that's okay. The audience has to realize that it's the first time where you're like sitting and talking to your significant, maybe not for you guys, but for us. We don't talk ever. We don't really talk ever. I mean, once in a while. We do, but jabby is okay. We used to talk about the kids. It got a little jabby and I didn't like that.. I mean, once in a while. We do, but Javi's okay. It will evolve.

It got a little Javi and I didn't like that. I was like, I'm not sure we want to do that. But you'll find your cadence. Yes. You know what I mean? You know people say, like, talk about couples' therapies, but we've done this for so long in a public forum with somebody. I feel like we've gotten, like, 900 hours of couples' therapy.

Ah, good. Well, then that's going to be very helpful. It's fine. I get a shit all the time. They say, what do they say about me? They say you're abusive. You're mean. Ah, good. Well then that's gonna be very helpful. It's fun. I get a shit all the time they say, what do they say about me? They say you're abusive, you're mean. I'm abusive. They mostly just like say that you need to calm down and treat your husband.

The jabby thing, but also like, I've known my husband since I was 12. Oh, no. 12. Like Kristen Heidegler. Really? So you're middle school sweethearts. We broke up.

We broke up, we dated other people. Oh good, oh that's probably good. We had other moments. She was my first blow job. She was the first one. That's true. First blowjob. Wow. I didn't use the coin.

For you, for you. Thanks for the resource. But so, of course I'm going... He's my best friend that I've known since I was 12. You're gonna have a jabby... There's jabs that you know how far to go. Do you know what I mean? I think so. We're finding that out.

We figured it out. I need somebody somebody to keep on my toes, too I haven't done well when it becomes the Michael show Show quickly if I'm being honest and self-aware. Yeah. Well, if I'm not if I don't have somebody buddy, you know, yeah Yeah. All right. Well, it's gonna be an interesting ride and if we need some help, I'll call you If you guys ever need tips, I don't think you do. I think you're gonna be just fine. Let's not talk about the husband. Lisa and Harry, go buy his sauce. Thank you for coming on.

Thank you for having us. Awesome.