The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Low Libido, Hormone Imbalances, & How To Reignite Your Sex Life Ft. Josh & Katy Whalen Of Joi + Blokes

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

#951: Join us as we sit down with Josh & Katy Whalen — founders of Joi + Blokes. After navigating their own health challenges, this husband-and-wife team set out to create a system where people feel heard, supported, and empowered at every stage of their health journey. In this episode, Josh and Katy open up about overcoming hormone imbalances that impacted their sex drive and marriage. They dive into the power of personalized peptide therapy, the benefits of testosterone optimization, and how modern lifestyle factors – like chronic stress, lack of sunlight, and sedentary jobs – can quietly wreck your hormone levels. If you've been feeling off, low energy, or disconnected in your relationship, this conversation breaks down what could actually be happening in your body and what you can do about it.   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TheBossticks.com   To connect with Joi click HERE   To connect with Blokes click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   Visit http://joiandblokes.com/skinny and use code SKINNY for 25% off your first purchase & 65% off Diagnostic Labs.   This episode is sponsored by Woo More Play To learn more about Woo More Play visit https://woomoreplay.com/discount/skinny and use code SKINNY for 20% off.    This episode is sponsored by Starbucks.  Order now on the app. Learn more at http://Starbucks.com.   This episode is sponsored by The American Beverage Association Visit http://goodtoknowfacts.org for more information.   This episode is sponsored by Gusto Try Gusto today at http://gusto.com/skinny, and get three months free when you run your first payroll.   This episode is sponsored by Sam Edelman Visit us at http://samedelman.com to explore everything you need for spring and get 15% off with code skinny15.   This episode is sponsored by Experian  Get started with the Experian App now!   This episode is sponsored by LTK If you're a brand or founder, get on the LTK brand demo list to see it for yourself. Sign up here http://shopltk.com/skinny and see the platform in action. If you're a creator, my referral link (https://creator.shopltk.com/apply/creator/home?utm_source=pd1&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=acquire&utm_content=TheSkinnyConfidential) to apply there while we keep the conversation led by the brand story. Produced by Dear Media

Welcome to the Bostics, starring Lauren Bostic and Michael Bostick. Together, they are the Bostics. Hello everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Bostics. Today we have Josh and Katie Whalen, who are the founders of Joy and Blocks. And Lauren and I fell in love with this couple. We loved this episode. They were so honest. They were so open. They were so raw and vulnerable. And they had a ton of great information to share. So who are Josh and Katie?

Josh and Katie are the founders of Joy and Blocs. They're obviously a married couple. as well, and they have created a platform that helps people optimize their health, figure out hormones, figure out what's going on with their blood work. And this was right up Lauren and I's Alley. There's, you know, a ton of things in health and wellness here. Some of the topics that we discuss on this show are how to manage hormones to save your marriage, talking about your sex drive and your sex life, which is very important, the dynamics of business partners as a married couple or just a couple in general, self-funding, the future of the health care system, breaking down peptides and TRT. And again, like I said, They were so honest, open, raw, and real on this episode.

Josh specifically was talking all about his hormone levels and testosterone. It was one of the first times a man has come on the show and been this raw and vulnerable about it. And I think it's going to help a lot of people, especially men out there or couples in general. Together, they're committed to creating a system where people feel heard, supported, and empowered across every stage of their health journey. With that, Josh and Katie, welcome to the Bostics. Welcome to the show, you guys. This is so fun to do this with another couple. Yeah.

We're excited to be here. Thanks for having us. Thank you so much. Let's get the lay of the land. How did you guys even get in to what you're doing now? Like, where did this even start? It's pretty simple. I was about 60 pounds heavier, and I lost my sex drive, and she was going to divorce me.

So that was the initial birth of it. And I had always been in healthcare. Majority of my, I mean, the last 17 years of my life had been in healthcare. And we were peaking with one of the businesses that we had. there were stem cell businesses, regenerative medicine. And as soon as those were starting to peak, COVID hit. So for the first time, and if you remember, there was like this really lull point of not doing anything.

She's like, hey, dude, you're fat. You don't have a sex drive. And I'm going to divorce you. And she had been telling me that for a while. Oh, God, forever. Like, it was so, I couldn't get any. I tried all the things. We went to sex therapy, everything.

It was like right after we got married. And when we got married, I was 35. So all I wanted was like a family, right? and that was the exact time when he had no interest in sex. So I tried to write out a note, like, let's make out once a week. I mean, we... There was a lot of notes. A lot of notes.

We went to a sex therapist, and it was just like nothing was working. And I also thought it was my fault. I'm like, am I too fat now? Like, what, you know what I mean? Like, what's... Yeah, it was a very tough time in our life. And it was a thing that I... I mean, I always had a sex drive and then I just didn't have it.

But to kind of wrap it up, I was like, okay, she's serious. I got to take some action here. And I went and saw a bunch of primary care docs and internal med docs. And it was my definition of being gaslit. Like I knew I wasn't feeling good. And they just told me, dude, you're normal. Like lose a couple pounds and go back to your wife. And Katie's like, dude, I'm not playing.

We're going to get a divorce. And then just by sheer luck, I threw up a hell marry with my brother and along, my sister. And I said, hey, here's the situation. At that time, we were living in Denver, and they said, go see Paul Battle. He's a PhD and a PA, and he was this optimization guru, like a longevity doc six years ago when nobody was talking about this stuff. Now everybody's a peptide expert, right? Right.

And so I went to him, and I'm like, holy shit, this is interesting. I sat down with him for an hour. We didn't talk about any medications. We didn't talk about blood work. We didn't talk about anything. And he just quizzed me. He just went through my life. I mean, he even asked me a question like, when was the last time you had a morning, dude?

I'm like, shit, I don't even remember. And then he's like, okay, we're going to go get your blood drawn. I go get my blood draw out. I come back and I see him. He was like, dude, you're a hot mess. Your lipid profile is a mess. You're pre-diabetic. Your testosterone levels are like that of a 70-year-old man.

There were like 200. Well. And I was feeling it. And it was supposed to be like 800 or something like that? You know, the range is like all over the place where we kind of say is where you thrive is somewhere between 700 and 1,200 and but the range that the standard, you know, BS range is 300 to 1,000. So it all made sense.

And, you know, that was the single encounter that I credit to putting me on a war path to prioritize my health, saving our marriage, and ultimately starting this business. Because it wasn't right away that I was like, oh, there's a, there's a business here. It was like two months later into the treatment. So I was like, holy shit, what is this? Looking back, what do you think caused the weight gain and the testosterone drop, was it, or the hormone imbalance? It's a combo of a lot. Like I worked hard, played hard. Yes, played very hard.

Like I was taking doctors out early on in my career at Stryker, you know, twice a week, drinking big bottles of red and having steak. And then I'd be up at Red Rocks, partying with my boys. He needed me to come into his life and, like, tone things down. So you were having some fun. A lot of fun. Too much fun. Like, to the point where it was becoming a job waking up on Monday.

But I always could grind it out. And then when I met you in the hallway, I was when I was, when I was, when I was, I walked out and I'm like, oh, this guy, we could have done some damage. You just seemed like a fun. Yeah, I still could, but it's only like twice a year now. I get my special occasion. That was part of it. And then Katie and I had just like a ton of issues where fertility and our first miscarriage is like,

it really hit me hard as a man. But it wasn't really, it wasn't even really a miscarriage. We had, you know, because I was advanced paternal age at that point, they do all the genetic testing. So we found out there was a genetic defect. and the baby girl wouldn't survive. So it was traumatic. We were so naive when we started and had no idea like shit like that could happen. So it broke both of our hearts.

But the funny thing is I was like warrior woman mode. I was like, we're going to do it again, keep doing, keep trying. Like I'm not going to stop. It was like, three o'clock. Yeah, I was like, let's go. And Josh, I think we didn't, I didn't know it at the time. But he was he was heartbroken and he was like, I need a minute. But he was too afraid to like talk to me about that because I was.

on my mission. So that was hard too. And then, you know, I ended up having, we ended up having several more miscarriages and did all the IVF stuff. And then we had our two babies when I was in my early 40s. And at that point, I remember you asking me to join and help. There was a point. It was like, COVID. Yeah, I was like, I'm desperate. This business is going to fail. And we just had the guy's side. And I was like, I'm like in my little baby bubble of like a few months old. Our son, he was like just like three months at that point. I'm like I don't want to like I'm good. I'm going to support you. I'm going to be the supportive wife. But then he was like, I need your help. So then for me like the impetus for me to start joining and was like I went through my own

shit after all the I after all the miscarriages, after all the IVF and then having my kids in my 40s, it was wild. I had a moment where it was like I had all this help to get pregnant and to stay pregnant. And then all the sudden, you know, you go to your six week appointment and you're like and he's like, you're fine, go ahead. And I'm like, I'm not fine. I'm like way overweight. My anxiety was wild. My brain fog was heavy. Well, and the other thing, too, like, I was like, okay, the shoe's on the other foot. Yeah. Then I had no sex drive. I'm like, dude, I'm like feeling good. Like, where's it at? And you got mismatched. Oh, no, no. It was in our, and I was like, see, I told you it wasn't just me. You know, there was some shit going on. Yeah. Yeah. Then I got it. I normally hear, because I talk to a lot of men behind the scenes,

and they say that my wife has lost her sex drive or my girlfriend's lost their sex drive. You don't hear as many women being really open about their husband or their boyfriend losing their sex drive. I find it very refreshing that you're opening up about that. What was the inner monologue that got you to even say something before you said something? Yeah, honestly, it was so tough for me because I did feel like some sort of shame. And that's when I was like, is it me? Like, what's wrong with me? And I often heard stories of like, oh, God, my husband won't, can't keep his, you know, hands off me, which made me feel even worse. And I just, like, sat there quiet, you know, going like, oh, I wish my husband would put his hands on me, you know. So that was super challenging.

And, you know. I think you just literally came full circle, too. You were just fed up. I mean, it was. Once we figured out what it was, then I felt better. I was like, it's not me. Like, this is something we can fix. And then you fixed it and, you know, it ended up, we're great.

And then when I lost mine, I'm like, no, I get it. Like, it wasn't, it's not, I'm not attracted to you, but like, there's something hormonal that just happens. So I know we're going to dive into the specifics, but I just want to keep hearing your story, but what was the thing that you did to fix it? You got testosterone, an absolute game changer. I mean, I went from, you know, zero to hero in like three months. And there was, for me, like, an amazing light bulb moment.

And I was at that time, I was doing all the peptides too. But it was really just like I got motivated. I was prioritizing the gym, working out, mentally, physically. Everything was just connecting. And then all of a sudden I was like, oh shit, I got some morning wood going. Wait, what is zero to hero? Is it boner every day, sex every second? What's the zero to hero mean?

Listen, it's morning wood every morning. Morning wood every morning. And that's a very healthy thing. Do you have a morning one every morning? I'm going to start checking. I'm still. I'm still getting my morning wood. I'm still going.

That's why we have so many babies right now. But what I tell people all the time about this subject, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when for me. And I talked to, you know, we just had Josh DeMall

on this show and we were talking to him about and he's opening up about that. And we've had guys like Mark Sisson who are older and really talking about this for a long time. And like, I don't think there's any shame in that game, right? Like, it's a natural thing that happens to men and women.

The hormones change, especially as you age. And what I tell people is we have, these kind of tools now that we can use to age more gracefully and to feel better. And so for me, I think about this stuff a lot. It's like at some point, and again, why I wanted to talk to you guys, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Yeah, I mean, to like a very basic level, if you're deficient in vitamin D, you take

more vitamin D. Why are we stereotyping testosterone? It's one of the most beautiful hormones when it's done right. And women as well. Yeah, and women too. That was actually one of the first things I did after I went through the men's side. You know, the first thing I did was actually some thyroid hormone. But then when I started on testosterone a few months later, I was actually able to get off of thyroid

because just my body started working better. So testosterone was super helpful for me too. And at that point, that was what four and a half years ago, I had no idea that women could take it. It was way more, you know, stigmatized back then. I think even now women don't even realize that. I mean, so many women come to this and they're like, testosterone. I mean, what are you talking about? Well, did you see the recent stuff with jelly roll?

And this has been like publicized. Just how he's crushing? Yeah, and how he basically went from like pre-pubescent hormone levels to, you know, when he did he's did his weight loss. Totally. Yes. But a lot of the people are now starting to talk about what they weren't talking about before. I mean, this is public now.

So I'm not talking out of school is that what he, one of the first things he did was get the testosterone back up in the right place. Because before he had such high estrogen levels that he, like, no matter what, you he could not get the weight off. Yeah. By bringing the testosterone up, estrogen drop, and then he started able to get the weight off and obviously feel better and change his life.

You know, so to your question earlier, people don't realize, I mean, everybody knows that when you're going through pregnancy, the woman's bodies and hormones are changing. That ultimately is what happened to me through four miscarriages. My testosterone levels tank. My estrogen levels went up. Your cortisol, I was like a mental midget about having kids.

Like, I was really nervous about it. So I was, my stress levels went up. So, like, it was just this soup and this rest. recipe of me just becoming a kind of a turd, quite frankly, you know? A lot of people say that you can like save your sex life, save your marriage, but I kind of also believe that if you, yes, save your sex life, but saving the desire for a woman, it's so important as a woman to feel desired by their husband. Do you think that that also played into it? Yes, the sex, but also just feeling desired by your husband.

Oh, yeah. That's a catalyst. That's super. important. Yeah, every woman wants up. And I'm like, well, what's up? You know? It was, it got, it got heavy and I'm embarrassed by it now. But like the honesty. No, I mean, it, I, I, I love being honest because I, we have a saying that we save marriages. The hormones literally saved our fucking marriage. Like, if it wasn't for testosterone, I'd be a dad with two kids and she'd be having them one. There's a lot of shame around this topic. And listen, Lauren and I are very open people. But even just said, are you, like, there's a thing with men, it's specific. when it's like, oh, your testosterone's off.

It feels like you're attacking the masculinity. It's like, no, I'm still a man. Right? And so I think a lot of guys are nervous. It's a sensitive thing. And then I think a lot of women are sensitive to not put their guy in that position, right? And so then there's that. And, you know, Lauren, if we're being honest, we have people that we talk to in our life that are in relationships that bring this issue to us and talk about it.

And there's a lot of shame. It's kind of like one partner doesn't know how to approach the other. And one person doesn't want to tell the other partner that they're having issues. And so, like, they don't talk about it and they beat around it and say, oh, I'm just not into this. It's like, no, there's a hormonal issue likely going on that people are ashamed to address and talk about. And it's so important to be balanced together, right? Like, you don't want your husband just to be the only horny one and then you're, like, kind of annoyed, right? Like, you want to have a sex drive too.

And I feel like we've figured. And that's honestly what's helped us, too, like, through working together, through scaling this business. It's like, it's been really stressful. and I don't, you know, there's been challenging times where we've questioned if we would make it. And I think that having that, having that. It's like, oh, it's a lot of work. But we're self-funded, you know, it's a different beast. Good for you guys.

Yeah. But I think having that, like, that continues to help us, like, have that connection. And I think that's important just through all the ups and downs. It is a real mind fuck working together, raising kids, being in a relationship, and having to engage like this on a mic, which it sounds like you guys do too a lot, it's, it's a wild beast. And you have to be really up for the challenge. And it's, it's challenging, but it's also rewarding. But it's a mind fuck. It's it is. And there's like a reality. We've talked to investors and some investors like, we don't invest in husband, wife couples. I'm like, yeah, but there's some

shitty partnerships. And we have a really good one. Like measure the partnership. But I, I think it for us, it's just, it's worked so. So. well. Like, there are a lot of things that I'm good at, and there's a lot of things I'm not that you balance me. I mean, we've had to get, we've had to get through some things for sure and figure some stuff out. I mean, that happens every three months, by the way. Like, if you're not working together as a couple, like we're always trying to hone in, you know? I know what I do when I'm mad, you don't even know this. I would love to know. I'm sure I do. I just stick them in the sauna. Oh, well, that's nice and hot and cooked. That's a, I kind of like that.

So then wait. Thank you. No, because there's no phone. There's no kids. There's no distraction. You're in a sauna with me. And guess what? We're having eye contact like this.

My boobs are up and perky. And I can say right what I need to say. Is that not right? It works for marriages. That's a life hack. The funny thing is this literally happened yesterday. Now that I'm reflexing. You had no idea.

She got me. Yeah. I get him right where I want him. And you get him for 20 minutes straight. Undivided attention. And you can get all your business done in a sauna. Oh my God. So do you guys.

So do you guys do. like hot rock or infrared. What's your practice? We do the, well, we have, we do both, but more frequently. No, the one you want to do, though, is the barrel. Yeah, we love the barrel. We have one too. Turn that shit up.

Yep. Get them nice and hot. I don't like doing an infrared with people. I feel like I just go in there and like read a book or sit and play. Infrared's not that. The community aspect's not there as much. Yeah. But the barrel one, you're like suffering through that.

Let's go. Those last few minutes, you're like, okay. Yeah. I love the barrel. Explain to us microdosing peptides because that's like all the rage right now. What's what from your point of view? What does that mean? Yeah.

Well, that's typically a GLP-1 you're talking about, right? I'm talking about anything. I don't know if I've heard- Microdose and everything. Mushrooms, oh, me, like, everything. Yeah, I'm hearing of everything. I hear the word microdose, like, it's like, all the time. Yeah.

Well, like, okay, so I'll give you a very practical example. I was talking to a friend of mine that's in this space, and Austin has a lot of people that are around this world. And I was saying, like, what are the things? And we were talking to different peptides. And I was like, well, I want to feel good for him. He's like, what about microdosing growth hormone? And I pause, I haven't heard about that.

So I did not do it yet, but because I just don't know enough about it. And I think as it relates to peptides, hormone replacement, growth hormone, you guys are the perfect people. There's still a lot of hesitation in questions around when, how much, is it safe, where do you get it? What do I do? Like, can you get off it? Is it forever? There's a lot in there that we can unpack. There's a lot.

But I guess for someone who's curious about any of these things, hormone replacement and peptides and growth hormone, like, Where would you tell them to start and where would you tell them how to think about it? I mean, I would tell everybody to get their labs done first. I mean, looking under the hood is probably the most valuable thing. Oh, we have something for you that's going to be a game changer for, because we heard you don't like getting the blood, right? Okay, there's going to be a device that's a lot easier that you can do it at your home and I would rather have a device go up my ass than get my blood taken. This one goes on your shoulder. Would you do that?

In the sauna? I don't think I can do it on my shoulder. Oh my God. She can do it. She's given birth three times. You can do it. I'd rather give birth. You're a warrior then.

The blood just, that's the only way you can't do is saliva. Can? I mean, there's testing. It doesn't mean not every peptide requires a blood test. But if you're just a mess inside, like the efficacy is just going to be a lot less, no matter what you're doing. I mean, if your diets off, your nutrition's off, your lipids, your testosterone. So the tarry on top, right? So you want your foundation to be good before you just like try to fix things with peptides, I think.

The microdosing thing has exploded in the peptide space because of GOP ones. I think there's a regulatory component, you know, because there's a massive war between Eli, Lily, Novel Nordus, and anything compounded at a 503A or 503B. If you're not shutting down that body's ability to produce, you're just adding more. And I can tell you this, like maybe there's not some large clinical paper that's tied to a microdose, but we see so many patients and we see so many patients labs. When they're doing even a GLP1 at a microdose level, almost every other biomarker is improving. So there's an inherent benefit outside of just how you look and feel.

Well, I think the microdose became so popular because when the drugs first came out, it was everyone was macrodosing and having all the side of effect. And it was wild for us, like, living through it, because we prescribed our first GLP1 in September 21. 21. It was early. Yeah. Yeah.

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gusto.com slash skinny. What mistakes do you see people making when it comes to peptides? And not just GLP1s, peptides in general. Yeah, I think there's a ton of info out there right now. I mean, I feel like every freaking social media influencer has a peptide regimen now. Well, that's because I'm going to call it out. Sorry, guys. No, please do. The reason that is, because I've been seeing that everywhere, is they have an affiliate code. Yeah.

And this is just important that people know this. When they're recommending their peptide stack with a swipe up to buy, they get a commission, which is fine, but it's not a one-size-fits-all, right? No, it's not. It's also not really fine, and it's illegal. Wait, it's illegal? Well, health care is... It depends how they're doing, yeah.

I mean, it's like finance is a very regulated field. healthcare is as regulated, if not more. And you start getting into all payer statutes. You start getting into anti-kickback, stark with physicians. There's so many things that are right now happening that are crossing the line. The unfortunate thing is this administration has not done a damn thing about it. And really what you've seen the emergence of, the research peptides. Like the bona fide peptides that are FDA-approved are coming out of a 503A,

you're getting it with a legitimate prescription. I have no concerns on that. But the research side is where it's getting really hazy and really gray. And what Big Pharma has done a phenomenal job at is saying, if you're not FDA-approved and you're not coming from our manufacturing line, you are bad. F503A, 503B, and they put the research in there with it. So I think the biggest mistake that people make is they don't have enough information. They're not making the right decision about their health. And, you know, I mean, the worst case scenario is, you know, they, they, they, they, they,

something bad happens, the best case is there's nothing in the peptide itself. And we've seen tests. We've tested some of these research peptides and some of them just have nothing in it, no potency, no sterility, nothing. What do you guys say to people, and this is not necessarily my opinion, this is just what the team asks. What do you guys say to people that say peptides grow things that are dormant? Well, there's...

That's also the case for why you should be under medical supervision because there are like the growth hormone releasing peptide you talked about. you don't want to take that if you may have active cancer. So that's why you have to screen people. You have to monitor them. You have to make sure that they're the right candidate. And that's why it's dangerous to just follow an influencer that's stacking a bunch, throwing a bunch of shit in their body without, you know, consulting someone who understands them.

God knows where China. I mean, not that there's anything wrong. Maybe talk about that as well because I think to your point, there's a like, that's a big question. And a lot of the people that are in this space and really like doing well, they always, always call out like where are you sourcing these things where what pharmacies and you're even when you're saying 503 a and b I don't think a lot of people that are listening maybe some but not everybody even knows what that means yeah like one of them is an FDA certified they're all they're all in some level recognized by the FDA nothing anytime something it doesn't matter

what it is a thyroid medication a peptide uh whatever if it's coming out of a compounded pharmacy and it's physically compounded is no longer an FDA approved product you can have similar but not the same ingredients. But a 503A, the easiest way to think about it is it's a fully customizable to you, your body. The clinician is writing that script based off of what they think is best for you. 503B, on the other hand, it's like a 503A without personalization, and it's more like an assembly line. They can produce a mass amount at one time.

bulk for no one specifically. If someone wants to get on peptides, the process is you get your blood drawn and then you automatically get prescribed them, or how does it work? No, and like Josh said, you don't have to get your blood drawn for peptides. You know, really what it is is like what's going on with you, right? Like, what are your symptoms and what are your goals? So there's peptides for all different kinds of things, skin, gut health, all that kind of stuff. So, you know, we always think labs are a great way to start in general, but you do not,

that's not like a requirement. In our system, you know, you can just go to the website and click on Tremoralin, for example, growth-releasing peptide, and then we would have you fill out in pretty extensive form that behind-the-scenes a clinician would review, and then if you're a candidate, it would be prescribed and shipped to you. What benefits are you guys seeing from the peptides, like things that have blown your mind? You know, I mean, I think GOP-1s are the single biggest blockbuster therapy peptide ever. I think it will trump that of even like a Viagra, you know, like that was a massive blockbuster drug. I think that that is probably the most life-changing peptide that I've seen.

Everything else to me, and I love peptides where I feel it. I love hormones when I feel it. GLP ones, you're going to feel it. But we've got like, you know, the lip nasal spray that we do, I mean, this is probably more of a girl thing, but I've got quite a few women that will like text me or message me and be like, oh my God, thank you. Now I can finally poop every day. So like it really helps with like bowel movements and gut inflammation and that kind of stuff. So that's a big deal for people, especially women. Then I love our GH copper peptide for like skin and hair and stuff. Is that a topical or is that a topical? It can be injected and I love it injected, but you cannot get that right now as an injectable. I'm hoping that at some point you can again. I heard that's

amazing. Like you just said for hair growth. I've heard that's really good for hair growth. So we have grown to a level of scale where we're not, I know all the fringe peptides and that's the ones that everybody wants to talk about. And that's what all the influencers are promoting, the BPCs, the CJCs, done them, been there. But like, we've grown to commercial level where we just can't offer that because it falls outside of the regulations. But there's a lot of benefits. And I think of so many of them of just like putting a cherry on the top. Like, it's just like, damn, I just feel good. Like growth hormone, energy levels, that lean muscle mass.

It's a phenomenal, phenomenal peptide. What's your stacks? I do do that one, and I will tell you, so you want to cycle peptides too, right? You don't want to, like, overload your receptors. So I'll tell you, like, when I stop doing the Cermorillin, I can really feel it, like, after our workout. So we'll do a trainer a couple times a week. and if I'm not on it, like, I'll be really sore and, like, kind of hate myself the next day. You know, you can't sit down without pain.

So that's, like, a big thing that I noticed with that one. And it also helps with, like, sleep and stuff. So I definitely prefer to be on that one. I'm TRT testosterone. So switching back to that, T.T. Are you, is that now a lifelong? For me, it will be. Okay.

There's a misconception that is a lifelong thing that you have to do. We have patients that have got on it, improve their health. metabolic health, they've lost weight, they've packed on lean muscle, they get off of it, do their levels maintain at that state that they were on where they're on it? No, never, not really, at least anecdotally, but they can get to a point where they didn't start. And so it is a choice. But for me, I don't ever want to go back to no sex drive Josh and, you know, tubby Josh. I don't want you to either. I don't want you too either. But there's also, you know, in our clinic, we more than TRT,

we prescribe something called incloamphine, which doesn't shut down a man's production. It actually helps boost their natural production. So that's more of our business than actual TRT is. And I think that that's like a tool that more men could know about it. That increases the sperm. What is that? Yeah. Yeah, it's basically a derivative of clomid.

I've had enough sperm. Don't go on that one. That's enough sperm. Yeah, but at some point, maybe. Spermed out. Well, here's what's beautiful. It does not affect fertility. If anything, it enhances it.

And I mean, for a lot of men, you don't suffer testy shrinkage. And your testosterone, some guys, it's like, you got to slow down. I mean, they three times are their baseline. It's been an incredible therapeutic. And part of the reason we're seeing this so much is because we're seeing low tea at a younger and younger age. So when you guys, so all the lab work you guys see, you're seeing low tea start to trend at a much year. What do you think that's from? I mean, stress is a big one.

I mean, your cortisol and testosterone will fight for, you know, the same attention. And then, yeah, diet, you know, what do they say 70 to 80 percent of U.S. adults have some sort of metabolic dysfunction. So if you have, if your insulin is off and that's going to lower your testosterone too. I also see a lot of men that I talk to that have low tea, spend a lot of time in front of computers under LAD lights. They're not in the sun. They're not grounding. They're not outside. they're not lifting weights.

Like sometimes I think we try to like overcomplicate it as a society. Like men need to go hunt and gather. I want him to go kill the tiger, chop some wood, drag it back to me, get your feet out on the grass, get in the sun. Is that too much to ask? Be a man. Like that's up. And then the sauna.

If you're just sitting behind a computer like your dick is going to be limp. I don't know what to say. No, no, no. That is an absolute factor. Men that are not working with their hands anymore. Like, it is desk jobs and bullshit social media and stress. I got a personal story. My buddy texts me is like, bloke's results are in.

This is like my best friend I've known for 20 years, Marv. And he's like, I'm like, holy shit, dude. Your testosterone levels are $1,300. It's free was like $180. I'm like, hot. Is he single? He's not. He's a dad.

But never taking any testosterone ever. Guess what he does? works with his hands. He renovates homes. He does literally air squats every day, 100 to 200 air squats every day. Never had any other thing. I'm like, people ask me all the time, what's the best thing to do? Just focus on the basics. My next business is geared towards bed and it's a big block of wood with an axe. No, but I mean, outside. There you go. Make me something. You know, we moved to Texas in 2020 and before we got here, we were living in L.A. and we were both of us living in a very, in my mind now,

looking back an unhealthy way. It was a lot of work. It was a lot of stress. It was a lot of sitting at the computer. It was like that the environment was bad. And when I got out here, like one of the first things we did is we started overhauling our health. And what I was probably 20 pounds lighter than I am now? And I just, but looking back, I'm like, what the hell was I doing?

Like, and we talk about it all the time. And so one of the things that we did when we got out here is like outside, sunlight, working out, moving right. And listen, there's still room for supplementation and all these things, but to your point,

if you don't get the basics right, like it goes quick. And at the time, when we were there, we thought we were in great shape. We're like, oh, we're good. But no. I get ass all the time.

Like, what would you tell the guy? I'm like, focus on your sleep and focus on your stress. Like, those are two really hard things for me. But it's also hard to do, right? Like, it's easy to say. Work at it. No, it's hard as hell.

Like, I mean, every, we wake up every morning at six, We hear our kids' footsteps. Like, how'd you sleep? That's the first thing we say. Like, we just want to check in. And if we slept well, we're fist bumping, making breakfast, onto the races. So what happens to a couple from a hormone perspective that starts to exhibit, you know, poor sex life, not connecting low intimacy?

Like, what's actually biologically going on with them most likely? I mean, testosterone, obviously we've talked about. But it's all your hormones. Like, you really need them all to be balanced in their right. levels to feel good and feel like you want that drive and so it's overall health I also think it's like we get so tied up on data and biomarkers and sometimes the most important thing is just feedback symptoms and you know if you talk to clinicians who have been in this space who've been doing functional and integrated they're like I can

tell you exactly what's wrong without even seeing your biomarkers and most of time they're pretty spot on but for most couples it's like I mean, how many women have we talked to was like, I couldn't stand the way he breathe, you know, let alone like sex. Like that was not happening. And, and, you know, you just, you start to lose that connection. And every time we hear it like, yeah, he just sits on the couch, always doing his watching football, he's not playing with the kids, he's not active.

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What have you seen be life-changing with perimenopause and menopause? I mean, hormones? Ormonds are just like, is it a palpit? What kind of hormone? No, we don't do pellets. You know, pellets are life can be life-saving for some people. I've heard, you know, I've got good friends that say that they've saved their life and their marriage.

But the problem with a pellet is you put it in and then for three months you're stuck with that. So if it's too much for you, you can't get it out. So we don't recommend pellets. But, you know, you can do creams or injections or, you know. You have to be, you can't have ADHD, though, I feel like with a cream. I could see myself putting a cream on and be like, for me. got the cream and then I'm touching the baby. Like, I feel like you do it.

That's why I like injections better, honestly. But most people are like, I'm a little scared of an injection. So like a cream's an easy way to start, but ultimately like injections are easier. You do it. But I've heard nightmare stories of like dudes not realizing that that cream gets everywhere and they're touching their kids.

You're not doing a cream. This happens. I mean, that's why you tell you to rub it in your inner thigh. And then everyone absorbs that differently too. Like some people have skin that like, you know, it'll go into really easily and then some don't. Yeah, but what if you're getting intimate with your partner and he has cream all over his inner thighs.

The cream thing is, like, you're pumping and grinding anyways. It's going to come off. I agree. I agree. I feel like we're not doing a cream. Like there's no cream. There's a baby oil. The injection is just like a.

So easy. It's a shot. Yeah. Subcutaneous, tiny like 31 gauge needle. I can tell you for perimenopause and menopause, testosterone for you. And this is, we offer testosterone to men and women. It's going to be. thing this year for perimenopausal menopausal women it is the one thing that every female comes

back and we're about to actually launch her for our second study and we did a massive 300 plus cohort of females it is remarkable what testosterone does for women and most people come in with like really low numbers almost zero yeah it's stress probably it's also probably maybe birth control pill like there's a lot of things that lower it more hormonal issues with men or women not like I'm just wondering if it's, or if it's across the board, men and women. I'd say it's both men and women, but like women are a little bit harder to figure out because, you know. A three hormones.

That sounds about right. What if someone wants to get off thyroid medication? You mentioned that earlier. Tell me about that. I mean, thyroid is one of those where you think you have to be on it forever and some people do. But ultimately, like, if you can fix all the other things, like the underlying issue, then you might be able to get off it. Like, that's what happened to me.

So, you know, you have to get all your other hormones right. You have to make sure your metabolism and your is great. And you have to make sure you're getting all the supplements. It just depends on how bad it is and how well you can kind of figure everything else out. We've kind of been fed a little bit of lie soup, though. There's a lot of lie soup going on. A lot of lies. We can't get off thyroid medicine.

That's what they tell you. Gary Brecker's big thing is that the only guarantee of being on thyroid medicine is that you're going to up the dosage over yours. and his big thing is like there's ways to get off it. I'm not going to work. You can look it up on YouTube guys. Like him talking about because he's going to say it much more. I've cut my dosage in half. So I've had a different reaction.

But I think to your point, we have to start asking yourself, why do we need the thyroid medication to begin with? Right. Are you trying to get off of it? Yeah, I'm not, I cut it in half and I've had great results with that. I mean, I would like to get off of it. Yeah.

I was put on it. I was, you know, I gained like 70 pounds with my, first born and they put you on it. What's strange, I've heard so many women talk about being on thyroid medication. I've not heard barely any men tell us that they're on thyroid medication. Someone said that there's a reason

the other day on the show. They may be on it, but it's but it seems like there was a period of time where like there was a lot of thyroid medication being prescribed to a lot of women. We had a dentist on and he said that root canals and remember he said like screw, I have screws and I had screws in my face from jaw surgery. He said things like

that can trigger the thyroid. Well, you know what's interesting. I think it's also to, you know, men, testosterone is such a big bi-available marker. Women, it's still, it's, they carry more testosterone than they do estrogen, but the symptoms are really freaking similar. Like fatigue is very similar to low-tie and women and men. But, you know, there's so many different hormones that are going on that I think it's also just a buzzy word, too. Like there's so much marketing around thyroid care right now. And that's for women, it's imperative.

that they're getting their blood drawn and you're differentiating the two like a lot of times women will come in they say i got a thyroid issue and you're like no you got a tea issue i'm supposed to schedule one um recently said that someone's going to do it in my house go down the street and don't touch me for two weeks i'm not joking do not lay next to me go in the gas room no no we do we do we look at the levels and i think like everybody should and we just you know we had de jeopardy guys on here talking about we i think everybody should do it i have another question for you guys so say somebody wants to work with you and they're suspecting they have a a hormone issue and maybe they're in an intimate relationship and they don't know how to approach

their significant other partner with this because they're maybe uncomfortable with the conversation. I think this is a very common thing. How would you, because you two are both so open, how would you to advise a couple approaching one or the other with this topic if they suspect that their partner's hormones are off? I think there is a just completely different angle. Like if you can't approach the hormone subject, there is like a preventative angle. I mean, we do so much blood. Like, we catch things before they become a bad issue.

So I think there's that angle, but also like... Yeah, do it together. Like, hey, let's do this together and check out where we're at. Here's what you're going to do. You're going to get him in the sauna. Yeah. And you're going to say, let's do our blood work together. I already scheduled it.

Listen, like, you seem very open to these kinds of conversations. But, you know, like, we know guys in our life where, like, if their girl comes in and says, yeah, man, you got low tea, like, they're going to, you're going to, they're going to lose it or they're going to shut down and vice versa. Listen, as a man going to her and be like, hey, man never goes to a woman says your hormones are all. That's a death sentence. Yeah, I wouldn't do that.

But I do think, like, what's going to happen, I know with this episode is likely one person in the relationship is going to hear it. For sure. There's going to be some light bulbs going off and they're going to want to approach their partner and say like, okay, and maybe you can just play this episode. But the beautiful thing is blood is not the same as it was 10 years ago. Like, when you went to your primary care and you got one. or two markers. It's kind of sexy now. Like it's like become like, hey, I'm really getting all these

data points. And if I'm in a relationship, let's say I care about the spouse, it's about longevity. It's about heart disease. It's about cancer. It's about so much more than just hormones if you can't approach that subject. Like, there's a better way to go about it. I mean, our biomarkers are 55 to 110. You could focus on things outside of sex hormones. Yep. And then within that, you could say, And by the way, we should look at this marker as well. And then it's not so personal on one's, it's not like, hey, you're not having sex with me. Yeah. You know?

What would you guys say to yourself when he didn't have sex? Knowing everything you know now, what would you say to you guys years ago? I mean, I would have punched myself in the face. That's a testosterone in him. See, now he's got some testosterone. Listen, like, I want to beat your ass, Josh. So here's what's messed up. we'll go through pictures and you know you get the time lapse and stuff that come up on your phone

and you're like yeah fat josh was not good looking josh and i'm i you know knowing now i i literally would have done that i would have grabbed me and i would have said dude you're going to die by the time you're 45 i'm 43 years old like heart disease runs in my family and i was already pre-diabatic i was still working hard playing hard if you want to see your kids. My dad died when he was like 62. Like I got bonus years. I got to get to 80, man. My kids, Rowdy's five. Lenny's eight years old. When they're in their 30s and 40s, I want to be striving, going down mountains with them, like hanging out. Like it's, you owe it. If not to yourself, your family. I need you to pull up one of those photos and text it to us or

email it to us so we can put not right now, but like it later. Like I might have one. To put on B-roll. Yeah. So we can show the audience the transformation that you've had. Yeah. What would you say, Katie, to yourself. If you could go back and give yourself advice when you were confused about why he wasn't. Well, for women, I would say, it's not you.

Like, do not blame yourself. Do not look inward. Like, it's their shit. And they need to figure that out. And, you know, at the end of the day, like I finally did. And I said, hey, this is not working for me. And you need to figure your shit out. And, you know, that was the line I drew.

Yeah, I mean, the Big D is not something you want to talk about in the relationship. Depends. I thought you were talking about. I forgot. I was like, what is he talking about? Divorce for the record. The divorce word. Yeah.

But the Big D, you know, but yeah, that was, you know, like, I always dated girls and you'd break up, but like you don't realize how serious is. And she was just, she was ready. And I mean, we went to a marriage counselor. And not once did that we went to multiple marriage counselors. We went to multiple doctors. We went to a sex therapist. Remember that?

There was like a vagina up there. There was a stuffed vagina. They're like, let's talk about your family history. I'm like, no, this is going to take too long. Like I need, I need something. I need a fix faster than this. But you know what's remarkable? Not one.

Not one of those encounters did they ever go, dude, go get your blood check. Wow. That's kind of wild. Wild. So what do they typically say? They're like, it's all about mental stress. What's going on? I'm, fuck, I'm messed up.

Let's fix the problem, you know? That is crazy that they never asked you about testosterone. Not once. That's actually wild. So if someone wants to start peptides and they're listening, what is the first thing they do if they want to sign up to work with you guys? We have an easy online form fell that you can kind of put in your health history and we can help you decide what? what is right for you. We always recommend meeting with a clinician too. So that's an option. We we're very proud of what we've built in terms of our clinicians. Like we have people that really care

and people that have really gone outside of like traditional medical education to like get the functional training. So they're really great to talk to and we offer like 30 and 60 minute consultations with with them. Yeah, I think I think it's a good point to make. Katie and I spent a whole week and we're like trying to figure out our business you know where these hustlers and scrappy people and we're like what what makes us different or how can we be better and we spent a whole weekend and we went through every one of our competitors trust pilot reviews and ours and we're like what do they like what is that patient like what don't they like we made like an absolute mandate that our clinicians listen before treating listen to the symptoms and we probably like it is something

that i think is a secret sauce force we have badass clinicians We have really good that are integrative, functional type approach clinicians that listen. Yeah. I mean, I have like friends and patients that'll, you know, say, oh, my, like, one of my girlfriends came to me the other week and she's like, I actually cried because this is like the first time in my life where I actually feel like heard and that I'm hopeful now. And like there's something that will actually help me. And I've never had that my whole life.

And this is like a midlife person. I'm like, Jesus. What I get from this episode, too, is that. you guys have this here, you save marriages. Yeah. I think that's, you're also not selling that, but that also seems like a real perk to working with you guys. It seems like you're, because of your story, you're focused on really making a marriage

strong through being, having the right tools, right? The right tools. Yeah. And it's obviously not all about sex. That's an important component. But like, having your hormones right also just helps in general with life, drive for life. Sex is important. No, it's important.

Yeah. It's important. No, but my friend Weston talks about this all the time. He says, we spend so much time on personal development and how to build our business, how to raise our kids, how to be healthy in the gym. And like when it comes to our sex life, everyone just thinks it's like a grand and it's given. But it's an integral role.

Like if you want to make a child, you have to have a good sex life. You know, if you want to have intimacy with your partner, if you want to have connection. But we kind of just like, oh, that's a thing you do off to the side, maybe because of the taboos around it. But every other area of life, you're going to seminars, you're reading books. That's a good point. You're doing courses. You're listening to podcasts, but with that subject, you just think it's going to happen and be great. And a lot of people, I think, let it kind of fall by the wayside.

And just like anything else, if you don't put a focus on it, it's, like, how could it be? This whole business and experiences allowed us to be very open and honest about our sex life. Like what we need, what she needs. Liberating. Yeah. And that's when sex for us got good. Yeah. Like, you're like, all right, let's do that.

You guys want to do it on the couch? Done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Go ahead. Zoom the cameras.

Yeah. My good angle. No, it's, yeah, back to the clinicians are like our secret sauce, we believe. And we do, we do say we save marriages because we do. We absolutely do. You guys gave us a code. Visit Joy and Bloaks.com slash skinny and use code. This is a very generous offer guys.

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Thank you guys. Thank you. And it's very cool to see how you guys have transformed your marriage and to something like beautiful. It's really cool. Yeah. It's a lot of work. It's worth it. It's, and it's worth it.

The business is a lot of work and marriage is a lot of work. But there's a reward. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you can come out the other side of it and get through all the shit and trust me, we go through all the shit all the time. I think it's the most rewarding thing. But so many people, unfortunately, they kind of hit those roadblocks and they just toss it off the

I'm married though is like being on curb your enthusiasm. Like it's the same fight, the same day, groundhog day. This morning I'm on my vibrating plate in my robe, brushing my teeth, and he wants to come in and have a full conversation. And I got to like, oh, I got it. I need a second. Well, you love the vibrating plate. It's great.

Yeah. It's great. But you are like that influencer meme that they say like, they do all the things. They do all the things. I've got to do. There is. There's so much to do and you're busy. My morning routine involves 30 minutes of a conversation with you about what, like, I, I don't know.

It's, I don't need to turn on the news. He just gives me a full rundown. What's the peptide to get to, to calm it down a little bit? I'm just kidding. That's more, maybe more of a hormone.