The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Manny MUA Gutierrez & Laura Lee On How Being Different Is A Superpower, How To Harness Your Uniqueness, Cancel Culture, & Career Longevity In The Digital Age,

Episode Date: August 18, 2022

#488: On today's episode we are joined by Manny MUA Gutierrez and Laura Lee. Manny known professionally as Manny MUA, is a make-up artist, YouTuber, entrepreneur, and beauty blogger. He is the first male brand ambassador for the make-up brand Maybelline. Laura Ann Lee is an American make-up artist, YouTuber, entrepreneur, and blogger. She began her career as a make-up blogger in 2013 and is the founder and owner of cosmetics brand Laura Lee Los Angeles and the fashion brand Nudie Patootie. To connect with Manny Gutierrez click HERE  To connect with Laura Lee click HERE  To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM  To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential  The Hot Shave Razor and is here to help you exfoliate, brighten and smooth your skin and It's paired alongside the Hot Shave Cream, the first ever shave cream created for women, packed with anti-oxidants that preps your skin while hydrating and nourishing at the same time. Use code PINKICEQUEEN for 15% off. To check them out visit www.shopskinnyconfidential.com now.  This episode is brought to you by CLEARSTEM    CLEARSTEM has made a clean, clinical skincare line that is equally effective against acne AND aging. Go to https://clearstemskincare.com/ and use code SKINNY2 at for 20% off your first purchase.   This episode is brought to you by ZOCDOC    With Zocdoc, you can see real, verified patient reviews to help find the right doctor in your network and in yourneighborhood. Zocdoc is a FREE app that showsyou doctors who are patient-reviewed, take your insuranceand are available when you need them. Go to Zocdoc. com/SKINNY and download the Zocdoc app for FREE.   This episode is brought to you by INSIDE TRACKER    When it comes to your health and longevity, you hold nothing back. You understand what it means to push harder, reach farther, and fo the extra mile. That's why InsideTracker provides you with a personalized plan to build strength, speed recovery, and optimize your health for the long haul. For a limited time, get 20% off your first purchase at insidetracker.com/SKINNY .   This episode is brought to you by RECREATION SWEAT.    Recreation Sweat is a fitness company born out of necessity in the pandemic. They're all about quick and effective workouts that you can do anywhere without heavy equipment. Get 20% off your first purchase with code SKINNY at checkout. Produced by Dear Media 

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

I actually have like a deep-rooted relationship with money. We never had any growing up. I knew money was the thing that could get me out of the life I was living. That's kind of where it went for me. I was like, I want to be really successful so that we can kind of all be successful together, like me and my family. Even during the whole cancellation thing, when that happened, I was like, oh my God, I'm going to lose all my money.

And so I remember having this real conversation with my parents. I was on the table and I was crying and I was like, I can't believe this happened to me. I can't believe I'm like getting canceled. Like, what am I going to do? Like, you guys are gonna have to go back to work. Well, hello. Happy Thursday. Today we have a very fun feisty episode. We have Manny Makeup and Laura Lee in the studio. You probably know them from YouTube. They are very, very popular. They have millions of followers. They're the OG social media influencers, beauty gurus, and absolute besties. They also have a podcast together called Full Coverage. They both are founders too. They have makeup lines. Manny's is Manny Lunar Beauty,

and then Laura Lee has Laura Lee Cosmetics. So they're bosses and entrepreneurs. They both run wildly successful businesses. They understand the internet, let me tell you. And they've both been canceled. So we go over all that. And if you haven't listened, Laura Lee was on the Skinny Confidential a while ago. It's a great episode. It's number 224. And she talks about cancel culture adoption addiction in that episode. This one is like a plot twist and another layer because Manny is on it with us. So we do like a foursome. I think you're going to love this episode.

It's a good one. Maybe don't listen if you have kids in the car. I think you're going to love this episode. It's super vulnerable. And they both just open up, which is super cool. So on that note, let's welcome Manny Makeup and Laura Lee to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. First of all, I would love to get some context of Manny. We've had you on the show already.

Hello. Yes, hello. Hello again. Where are you from so i'm from san diego born and raised san diego so are we no way what area i'm from chula vista like the most south south san diego possible like okay five minutes from the border we're we're from like del mar area oh i know exactly where that is like del mar fair every year yeah yep so i'm from san diego uh born into a family of there's five of us my parents two little brothers i'm the oldest of Oh, I know exactly what that is. Like, they're more fair every year. Yeah. Yep. So, I'm from San Diego. Born into a family of, there's five of us.

My parents, two little brothers. I'm the oldest of three. Grew up Mormon. Things were hairy for a long time. You know, I'm out here in LA now. I've been out here for, I would say, oh my gosh, like six years. You grew up Mormon. What was that like with five kids?

Well, there's three of us kids, but there's two parents. Like it's, there's three of us. There's five of us total. Yeah, I grew up Mormon. It was interesting. You know, I feel like it's very interesting for me. It was very like difficult kind of growing up in a Mormon household when obviously being gay and expressing myself in that way wasn't really something I did growing up at all.

I was very like the kid that would suppress everything constantly and just kind of like push it down, push it down, push it down, pray the gay away. Like I would literally be like at night, like, okay, I just want to wake up and not like boys. Like, please let me wake up and like not like boys. And I would just cry all the time. Yeah, that's kind of how it was in the beginning.

Wait, so when you were little, you did not want to be gay. You felt like it was a curse. Absolutely. For me, I was like, I don't want this. I feel like it's like, because the thing is, at the time, this is also like, what, 15 years ago? I feel like there was a lot of, no, oh my god, this was like 20 years ago. There was a lot of gay hate

crimes going on. Obviously, there's so much. Such a negative stigma to it. There was a negative stigma to being gay. Yes, and I feel like you would see on social media, or on, not on social media, on TV, you'd be like, the only stories they were telling are like, oh, you got HIV and AIDS. And it social media, or not on social media, on TV, you'd be like, the only stories they were telling you were like, oh, you got HIV and AIDS.

And it's like, why do they have so much negative connotations with being gay? Did your parents have any idea or no? I think they definitely had an inkling. Yeah, I was the kind of kid that had a flower in my hair and be like, this is so fun. I want Little Mermaid instead of the cars. But of course, that was always suppressed for me.

They was like, no, you have to play sports and you need to play soccer and baseball and football and all that stuff. Do you think that you would have felt differently if your parents were more open-minded raising you? The thing is, my parents were always the most loving, insanely great.

I'm Latino, so I had such a loving family for my whole life. They just weren't as aware because they never even had gay friends growing up. So they literally thought being gay was a choice. They had no idea what was going on. I think it just kind of takes that back and forth knowledge and just kind of knowing what was actually going on. And I was like, no, I'm not choosing to be gay. I was born this way.

And I think that they kind of knew that deep down. Because it's like when I'm younger and I'm expressing myself in these very hyper feminine ways. They're like, huh? Yeah. How would it be me choosing this as an adult when I was expressing these really very, you know, homosexual things really, really early on? So at what point did you start to feel comfortable with the fact you were gay? Do you remember how old you were? My early 20s. Wow. So all through high school oh yeah you didn't have friends that were open-minded and i didn't tell anyone i was literally so in the closet it was like not even it was insane like i

did not at all i was like surprised because i didn't even know like i didn't even think i even knew or expressed myself or did anything gay until I was like 19. So what at 19 made you have the epiphany that you're like, I'm just going to be myself and be true to myself? Well, I kissed a boy for the first time. And you were like, I'm done. And I literally felt like sparks. I felt fireworks. It was like the most insane feeling ever. I had this crush on this guy.

I mean, I guess I had a crush on him. We had just been chatting a bunch. And I was like in the backseat of a car once and like a friend was driving and he was in the backseat and she went to go put gas and he put his hand on my leg and I was like, what's going on?

And I was like so shook because I've never done anything gay, never expressed myself in a gay way before. I was always like, oh no, I'm straight. Like people would ask me, and I'm like, no, I'm straight. So what does it feel like when you, you must have felt liberated.

And had you dated women before this? Okay. I had one girlfriend in high school, just one. But I had like kissed girls, made out with girls a lot. So I never like had sex with a girl, but I'd done like other things with girls before. When you kissed a girl, were you turned on or were you like? I was like, this is so fun. Like, but it wasn't like something I was like, yeah, this is so hot. Like, it was just like, oh, like that's, that's nice.

Like she has soft lips. Yeah. And that was it. was just like, oh, like, that's nice. Like, she has soft lips. Yeah. And that was it. You're like, what chapstick are you wearing? Yeah, I was like, hmm. Is that strawberry or cherry? I'm like, that sounds watermelon to me. You're like.

That's a little watermelon-y. What are you using? You should launch a product that's, like, based off that. That's good. That chapstick. Honestly. No, seriously. Man, your first kiss.

Yeah. Hello. Let's content market it first kiss so once you kissed the guy was it like you were

you felt free you felt liberated or was it still you still felt suppressed oh suppressed fully 100% like I didn't like I was saying

I didn't come out my parents asked me if I was gay when I was like 17, 18 and I was like I think so I And I was like, I think so. I'm not sure. So I ended up actually going to like this anti-gay counseling

for like six months. Oh, Jesus. Trauma. Like by your choice or because they were- So it was kind of my choice and their choice. Like I was like, so I was, so I'm the firstborn, right? So I'm like this people pleaser, really good. So I'm like this people pleaser kid. Right. I have like two little brothers.

I want to be like the best example possible. Had straight A's, played sports. Like I was good at everything. But I think it's because I was so good at everything to compensate for the fact that I was gay. And I knew that if they find out I was gay, it's going to be like a mess. I'm like, OK, I'm going to be good at everything else. So they can still love me, you know, in my mind. And so when they found out, they're like, well, what do we do? And I was like, I don't know.

Like, I don't want to be gay anymore. And so they're like, okay, well, we can like look into like maybe like therapy or something. And I was like, okay, yeah, it sounds like a good idea. It's so wild to me that these places exist. Like if somebody has a business that does this thing. Right? By the way, the person that owns the business is probably gay.

Probably. Honestly. Suppressing the whole time. I bet you teachers that you had there are probably gay. No, but it's strange to me that this business exists and that people actually think it works. Totally. And it was like, your homosexuality is tied to your anxiety. And I was like, yeah, it's like the more you feel anxious, the more like homosexual thoughts come into your mind. And I was like, what the fuck are you even talking about?

And so once I had gone for six months, I went to this kind of deep depression. And my parents were like, what's wrong? And I was like, well, I feel like the counseling is literally not working. I just feel bad about myself all the time. Yeah, don't take this the wrong way. It's not like I'm feeling a little anxious. I need to go blow some. No, literally.

And I was like, I just feel like shit. And they're like, oh, then stop going. Because they wanted me to be happy. And they want me to be happy. And they loved shit. And they're like, oh, then stop going. Because they wanted me to be happy. And they want me to be happy. And they loved me. And they're like, okay, then stop going. We want you to be happy and you. So I'm so lucky to have my parents that were like, well, we just, we kind of went through it together.

We both were like, had no idea what was going on. They were just trying to help. They were just trying to help. They really, really were. Because they're like those kind of people. And so like, okay, well, like, let's just, let's have you not go. We want you to be like our son again like we miss the real you i would love to hear a story where the anti-gay workshop worked for someone in the long run absolutely i would love

to hear it as well i i'm gonna say that it's a hundred percent doesn't work it's weird though because a lot of people will write books and they are like, oh, I was gay and now I'm straight and I have a family with kids. I believe that story. What's happening? But what are they having a wet dream about? Maybe they're not even gay

and maybe they're poly or maybe they're bi and maybe they're in some other capacity and they don't even realize that that's what they were and they also were attracted to women. It's like everybody's story is different. Totally. You can't just throw everybody in this one therapy to turn them not gay. Or convince them they're not gay.

So after your parents seemed like they opened up a safe space, then were you more confident to be yourself? Yeah, but it was still like a don't ask, don't tell kind of situation where I like didn't really talk about myself and talk about what was going on. I was feeling more open because I figured I'm like, okay, well, you guys are more accepting and a little more like kind of aware of my situation. But I still wouldn't talk about anything.

I worked at Sephora inside JCPenney. So I said I worked at JCPenney and not Sephora. So I was like, oh yeah, I just worked in shoes and I would jump out my window full glam so my parents wouldn't see me and I would work at JCPenney and Sephora.

You jumped out your window full glam. Yep. Like literally living Hannah Montana life. 100%. So then I would go work and I would come back home

and I had makeup wipes in my car and I would wipe off all my makeup before I went into, like walked through the door. I was like, yeah, I just worked in shoes today. It was really good.

Sold a couple pairs. I don't love a makeup wipe. I feel like it pulls down the face. Oh, it's horrible. I mean, this is literally, I'm like 21 and I'm like, yeah, I know. It's just so great.

You should have come down to Del Mar and just been friends with me. I know. It would have been up, but yeah. It would have been nice if I had other gay friends as well, but I didn't.

Like I didn't have gay influencers in my life. I didn't have gay friends. I didn't know anyone gay at all. I had idea well now isn't that cool that you can be a role model to people that feel the way that you felt yeah that is probably like freedom it really is I feel like I wish I had social media back then yeah you know what I mean I feel like I didn't have those figures in my life to see like someone actually doing well with being gay it was always like some trauma or crazy story or something like it's almost like you're scared

to be gay back in the day because that's all they would ever show as like these gay stories and now it's like there's so many different gay stories and it's so cool and like it's like oh my god it's actually okay to like be gay it is one of the bright spots of social right like people like yourself can be an example to other people that, you know, like you said in your life previously, like you just didn't have those examples. Totally. There's no resources. None.

Do you both remember your first YouTube? Like video? Yeah. I do. Tell it. It was trauma. I remember I had quit, uh, dropped of college, and I was still working full time as a dermatologist. And I figured out I wanted to do YouTube.

And I finally got a camera that came in. It was like a piece of shit. Like it was not like it was like a camcorder that people would record their kids. It was like refurbished. And I remember all my roommates went to work and I took that day off. And I literally because back then this was like nine years ago, like you did not film yourself. Like that was weird behavior. Now it's like people are like praised for and that's all they want to do.

It's like super normalized. But back then I felt like a sociopath. But I did it. I filmed the video. It was like a contour highlight video. And it was terrible. Absolutely terrible. It's still up if you want to watch it did you two meet through youtube how did you how did you two get together yeah we did so we met through like the beauty community in the in the

in the beauty industry in the beauty world i think our first meeting meeting was at a beauty event yeah we went to like um lily glitches yeah it was like a hair extension event yeah and i came up to him and i because i had seen him floating around and i had recently moved to la and i was like a hair extension event yeah and i came up to him and i because i had seen him floating around and i had recently moved to la and i was like hey you know i like your content whatever and we took a picture together i still have the picture it's insane like seeing that old photo from us like in the back i still wore glasses before i got my teeth done before i got my hairline done my teeth were bad no it's just it's funny to see that photo because i'm like dude look how far we've come.

We look so different. What's the connection? I don't think I'm not going to ask later about that hairline. Yeah, great. Go on. What's the, so I mean,

I know these events. There's a lot of people. What's the connection that makes you two bond right away? I feel like we didn't bond actually immediately. We didn't. I feel like it was more so

like a high and by situation. It was a high and by. It was a high and by. And he was very nice because at that time like sometimes you'd meet people and there would be like a little more standoffish or just too cool you know so i'd run into a bit of that in la but i remember i was like he was really sweet like he was a sweet person to walk up to and actually meet so i liked that about him and then i hung out with one of his mutual friends named patrick they were closer and more friends and so I

started hanging out with Patrick a little bit and then I kind of met you more through that didn't I? Through that we started becoming more friends and seeing each other more often and then we started doing stuff like just us two and I was like wait you're like really fucking cool actually like our vibes just meshed really really well cause

the thing is I felt like and I think it's also like part of my upbringing I felt like such an outcast in the beauty community, especially in the beginning because boys and beauty wasn't a thing. It was not that thing. You know, it was not a thing. I would argue that you and Patrick and some others have made it a thing.

I don't even like to say, oh yeah, I paved the way. But it's like, I definitely was part of that first run of people that made it happen. it was really hard for us like it was so hard and like look we were close and we had each other and like our manager at the time would like pitch us together to do things that like let's say because a lot of brands would be like oh no like that's just a fad like it's gonna go away like but the boys would make a thing like it's weird it's not gonna be a thing like you guys you don't get to do like stuff with the girls

essentially and so we were just like we just kind of wanted to feel included and so she'd almost pitch us together I was like oh look you get two

for the price of one oh yeah I was very bad that's how it was I was friends with both of them back then and I would get a lot of opportunities

they wouldn't get I would get them buying stuff because they didn't want the boys around because the brands like corporate brands would get a lot of hate for having gay men wearing makeup on their pages so they would just tuck that away because

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like what do you think the, because YouTube is not an easy platform. It's so hard. It's one of the hardest. I actually think it is the hardest. It is. I think it's the hardest by far. I do too.

I agree. Because you're doing audio, you're doing lights, you're doing video, you're showing something. It's a lot of multitasking and men have trouble multitasking

and it's the biggest platform right so it has so much competition and it's longer form why do you think she was successful and why do you think he was successful

I think Laura I'm going first I was going to say I'll let you start I think Laura was successful because she's like the hardest working person I know

and she was always authentically herself online and she's always been like really goofy and fun. And I think that at a time when we had started, everyone was so obsessed with this like prim and proper perfect beauty guru. And like obviously I wasn't that. Obviously Laura wasn't that. We both were in this

like kind of like different realm. We almost felt like outcasts in like a weird way. Oh yeah. And so Laura was always like her quirky, fun, goofy self. And I think people related to that. And also like Laura wasn't the type of person that would give up on something. She constantly put the work and she constantly put the effort in. And that's why I think she blew up.

I'm going to go cry right now. Anyways, thank you for all that. Not to pat myself on the back, but like I do feel like those are the reasons that I was able to make it on YouTube. You, however, you, my dear, dear friend. I'm just kidding. One, I think you pioneered a boy in beauty. Sure, there were some on YouTube, not a lot. And I think you are one of the biggest, the fastest and the one people connected to the most, especially during the time when this

was something new that we didn't really understand. And I think you took a lot of the brunt of the negativity that came from being a boy in beauty. So not only did you go through it with your Mormon family, I think then you went through it on YouTube because I was there. And I remember having conversations of you and brands have done really negative things because you're a gay man. I don't see that barely any anymore, to be honest.

Well, it's a certain type of courage, right? And I respect, I mean, it's now, I think we've all kind of been around floating in this ecosystem for what, 10, 12, 13 years. And I do think it's rarer right now, at least, especially in this moment in time for people that actually stand up authentically as themselves regardless of what the outside world is saying you know it's not to say people aren't vocal and attaching themselves to causes doing things but it's rarer i think to find people that are like i'm just doing my thing you know without regard to what a brand says what an audience like you know what i mean it's a specific type of courage because and i think those are the types of people we resonate the most with because it stands out.

You're like, oh, that's like a beacon of something that is so authentically themselves. It's inspiring in a way. Laura came on our podcast and discussed her journey with cancel culture in the first episode. Has there been anything that you've been quote unquote canceled for? And I would love to know after, because it's been time since we

interviewed you, after you've seen all these people get cancelled. How you guys feel about it? Also, I want to say one more thing about why you made it. I want to add one more little note because I have to get it in there. I think Manny is one of the most powerful people

in the industry because he's dangerous. I'm telling you, if this dude sees something he wants or something he's gonna, a goal he's gonna reach, get the fuck out of his way. This is kind of true. And that's all I have to say to you.

It is. Get the fuck out of his way. I'm a go-getter kind of girl. Because he is the most go-getting person I've ever met. This dude has flown across the fucking country,

filmed one collab video, and flew all the way home Like no matter what he will make it happen and it's part of the reason that inspires my hard work Also, he has the best personality and he's the happiest person online But deep-rooted like there's a lot of happy people online and there's a lot of people with great personalities They're really beautiful like you but I think that's like deep-rooted like it's like the universe yeah you know your energy you keep a high frequency that's okay sorry back to your question oh you're so sweet you guys are cute you're the best like you're seriously the best say something about me quick quick run run run you have a big personality personality yeah i know i totally have experienced

cancel culture in my past in 2018 as well I've gone through the gigs through the ringer you know I feel like kind of going through all that I have such a different view me too cancel culture than like a lot of people do me too I feel like I'm so anti-cancel culture like I really am so am I like exponentially I don't know what you got canceled for right so it was more so like for being like a quote unquote bad friend. There was like this, like it was a situation back in the past. I think it was a situation where the stars aligned perfectly. It was a perfect storm.

If he wasn't Manny MUA, there wouldn't have been a cancellation. Exactly. Kind of like one of those. Yeah. And it was just like friendships gone wrong, but because his name was so big and so popular, people were,

because that's kind of what cancel culture is. Like people really don't get canceled that are not as talked about. You got to be up there for the internet to kind of take it up. You can't get canceled if nobody cares in the first place. See, that's what I'm trying to get at right there. It's hard to say, but that's honestly true.

I don't want to say it. He said it. People have to care enough to want to cancel you. I think at the time, people cared enough to want to cancel me. So I got through that, lost hundreds of thousands of followers, the whole thing. I lost hundreds of thousands of followers for being a quote unquote bad, like literally for being a bad friend. And looking back, I'm always just like, okay, girl. Anyway.

But it's, I think that now, you know, looking back on it, I'm not saying that I am grateful for it because I'm definitely not saying that because it was such an intense experience but I think that me now I like me more now like after kind of going through it because I think that at the time I was this like kind of horse blinders kind of person in a way I was very competitive I was very like I'm gonna be like the best and like no one can be in my way kind of thing yeah and I was so like on this trajectory and so you know what's like the sad thing like no one can be in my way kind of thing. Yeah. And I was so like on this trajectory. And so you know what's like the sad thing about that though is because I was so focused on Manny MUA, right?

Being like this online persona that like Manny, like who I am as a human being, like kind of fell to the wayside. And like I would miss out on these like real life opportunities because I was so focused on being so like great and so big. And I'd be like, no, I can't make it to like this, to your birthday party. I'm like my mom, like let's say like my cousin's birthday. I was like, sorry, I can't make it to like this, to your birthday party. I'm like my mom, like let's say like my cousin's birthday. I was like, sorry, I can't make it to a film. I can't do that.

And so I would kind of miss out on these real life things for my online persona. And so looking back on it, I'm like, it was wild and it was crazy, but I feel like things happen for a reason. And I think that me now, I focus on me as Manny now and Manny is always included in my life, but it's not my whole life. And I think that's what it was for a reason and I think that me now I focus on me as Manny now and Manny always included

in my life but it's not my whole life and I think that's what it was for a long time my dad always used to tell me when I was little don't read your own press clippings good or bad I feel like that can be applied to comments too because you can get sucked into your good comments and you can get

sucked into your bad comments and it's almost better to like detach from it and not read it because you start believing your own hype or your own demise or whatever it is.

So I think that's smart that you have like two different, I feel like that's introspective that you have two different personality, not personalities, but like world.

It's like an outlook. I feel like my outlook is just different. I think that now like I treat social media like it's my work and it's my job and it's something I do for a living

but it's not my life. And I think that's like a really important thing for people that do social media. I think before it was both of our life. It was. It was us both. We were in together way too deep.

Yeah, we were in it really deep. And we were blowing up fast and it took over our whole world and it was, I don't want to say it was all that we cared about but it was a majority of what we cared about. Because the thing is you get thrust into this fucking world and it's over our whole world and it was, I don't want to say it was all that we cared about, but it was a majority of what we cared about.

Because the thing is you get thrust into this fucking world and it's like you get flown out to places and like you have all this money and all these crazy things happening and it's like, what do you do?

Like you don't know because we're like the first people like to kind of pioneer this kind of thing. I'm like, how are you supposed to act? Like I don't know. Well,

here's something also interesting to me. I believe that if you didn't, if you weren't the way you were, you wouldn't get to where you are. So here's the thing. You had to do what you had to do to get there and it served you until it didn't. And I think for me, like I said yes to everything for seven years. It was yes, yes, yes, yes to a 12th grader's book report, get on the phone, go to USC, speak.

Yes. Anything was yes. Cram it in, put it on. And now my definition of success after 13 years of creating content is to have less on my calendar, which is completely different than when I started.

But I do believe that because I said yes, it got me to the point that I needed to be, but you have to know when to pivot. Yeah. I don't think neither of us knew, and I think it kind of knocked us off our rockers

in the best possible way. Like we went through a lot of trauma with that that we still like deal with a little bit, but it changed our lives. And like you can even see online like how much we've changed as people and like our online personas have changed. And our followers notice it too.

Like a lot of people will say like, you know, I feel like you guys kind of, you know, back then we're a little different, like kind of like in your own world, in your own like, just kind of big headed in some way. And then now people kind of like comment, like you guys, I'm so happy to see what you guys do now. And I just feel like it's more authentic.

It's more you. And I agree. I do feel like I see this like slight more authenticity because I'm so much focused on like my life as like a person and not like my online life. Because I think that when you when you focus on everything else and not like your mental, like everything kind of collapses in a way, it'll collapse. You mentioned monetization. You guys, when you first start making money, how does that feel? And how have you evolved

your relationship with money over time? Like, are you guys like investing now? Like, I'm sure it's changed than when you first started. I actually have like a deep-rooted relationship with money. We never had any growing up. We talked about this the first time.

Do you remember? So when I got money, it was the best thing in the world and I never looked at it as a bad thing. Like, I was like, this plus I need a lot more if I can make it happen because I knew money was the thing that could get me out of the life I was living remind me again where you grew up because I'll remember the conversation Alabama that's right okay okay I'll remember yep so I always wanted to I watched

my family poorly spend their money I watched them not have any money I watched them have to do crazy things to get money and so I was like if I can do this and get some money, like I just have to keep going. I just have to keep going. So my relationship with money changed. I think I became, it became very, what do you call it? Whenever it makes you comfortable, like you make you secure. It was my security. So I've gotten to the point where I didn't want to invest any of my money because that

means taking it out and putting it into something risky. But I recently read the book by Jen Cesario, You Are a Badass at Making Money. Fabulous book because it breaks down your relationship with money. Is it the blue one? It's the green one. Okay. Is it the yellow one she did the first time? Yep. And then this is the second one. It's really good because I didn't know I had a specific relationship with money and I did and it was just way too connected. And so it helped me disconnect a little bit and we've literally invested so much. We actually just bought

a house in Florida for investment literally like this week. So, congratulations. Thank you. But tons of investments in stocks.

They're down today. That's okay. They'll go back up. That's true. They will. They will. They always do. And cryptocurrency,

that's down. It'll go back up. A lot of stuff like that. That was a little dicier but we'll see but it's going somewhere i'm telling you it's going somewhere it's going to go up and down up and down up and down and then it'll smooth out my thing on the crypto not to go too far on a tangent is that everyone's so excited about it but we're still very early on it so new very early yeah it will be a technology of the future don't crypto people don't come in and start freaking

out on me they you know they get very it's gonna happen it's because their money come in and start freaking out on me. It's going to happen. It's because their money's in it. They're like, don't say that. The crypto bros get really wild up if you know anything about it. For sure. I believe it will be something very substantial. Same with NFTs. But in this application today, it's still very speculative. Very speculative. And it's too connected to the stock market right now.

So whatever the stock market does, it's fragile. So it's going to be something in the future no matter what. Sorry not to throw you off on a tangent. Yeah, totally. But now I have a completely, I think if you don't realize you have a relationship with money

or you struggle with money, I think reading that book can help you like break down what's going on there. Because it did for me and I even had made the money and was so connected to it and it helped me be like,

whoa, there's something going on here. I'm going to read the book. Read the book. It's good. What about you with your relationship with money? What does it do? Like,

what does it feel like when you start making all this money? Because YouTubers make, if you do it right, you guys make. Was that the driver for you in the beginning

or was there something else that was the driver? I think that was a driver for me in the beginning was to be able to have money and to be able to, you know, for me,

I feel like it was really important to be able to take care of my family and, you know, take care of my parents when they've worked, you know, insane amount of hours and things to provide for me and my little brothers. So for me, I was like, okay, well, I'm going to be able to get to a spot

where like I can help them out and like they can work with me instead of having to have their own jobs and all this stuff. And that's kind of where it went for me. I was like, I want to be really successful so that we can kind of all be successful together, like me and my family. So I remember like even during like the whole cancellation thing, when that happened, I was like, oh my God, really successful so that we can kind of all be successful together, like me and my family. So I remember like, even during like the whole cancellation thing,

when that happened, I was like, Oh my God, I'm gonna lose all my money. I was like, all my money's gonna go away. And so I remember like having this like real conversation with my parents and it like really helped me even since then. I always think about it actually. They, when I was, I was like on the table and I was crying and I was like, I can't believe this happened to me. I can't believe I'm like quote unquote getting canceled. Like, what am I going to do? Like, you guys are gonna have to go back to work, you know? And I was like, I can't believe this happened to me. I can't believe I'm like, quote unquote, getting canceled. Like, what am I going to do? Like, you guys are gonna have to go back to work, you know? And I was like freaking out because they work with me and they literally were like, we don't mind going back. We like, we, my mom was like, I went to school for years to be

a nurse. I loved being a nurse. I can go back to that. They're like, you shouldn't feel like you're carrying the weight of all of us on your, on your back. And like, I did feel like that for a really long time because I had gotten like onto this like vibe where I was like, okay, I'm making a ton of money. I want my parents to retire. So then it almost like falls on everything on me in a weird way. Cause I'm like, okay, well I'm paying for my house, paying for my parents, paying for this. And so I started like freaking out about money where I was like, well, what if I don't have any more, what's going to happen? And so thank God they had this conversation because I feel like it took a lot of this like pressure off me feeling like I needed to take care of everyone

and everything all at the same time when I'm literally 26. For me, that's kind of how money was. I was very, very intense about it. I wanted to make sure I had enough of it to be able to take care of everyone. And now I feel like it's good to have money. Obviously, I'm happy about it,

but I'm not so freaked out like I was. It's got to be kind of grounding in a way. Your parents look at you like, yeah, we were happy before. Actually, we were even more happy working with our jobs and not with you. We would actually like to go back. They're like, this shit's stressful. We don't do this.

They do because they work with my brand, Lunar Beauty. And that is a lot more stress for them than it is the jobs that they were working because they can just go in, clock out, they're fine. And now it's like, I'll call them at 11pm and I'm like, so did you guys place that PO? And they're like, fuck. Like, damn it, we're off the clock. And I'm like, clock out. They're fine. And now it's like, I'll call them at 11 p.m. I'm like, so did you guys place that P.O.? Yeah. And they're like, fuck.

Like, damn it, we're off the clock. And I'm like, you're never off the clock. You know? And so now I just feel like this like sense of relief when it comes to money where I don't feel like I'm carrying the weight of the world on my shoulders. Lauren, as you know, we have pretty much flawless reviews, pretty much a perfect podcast. Pretty much nobody is upset about anything we ever say. If there is ever a complaint, literally the only complaint is, hey, you guys offer so much great entertainment, so much great value, and you make

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We are in San Diego for a quick little vacay and I need to work out, especially postpartum. So I obviously can't bring weights when I travel, but I do bring resistance bands. And the ones that I use are by Recreation Sweat. They're so cute. First of all, they come in black, this like Navy green and then gray. And it's a three piece band set. And what I like about it is one band is light, one's medium and one's heavy. So you can sort of gauge where you're at. Like on Sunday, I notice I'm reaching for the light one. And then on Monday, I go way heavier. So you can switch it up and they fit right in your luggage. They're absolutely amazing. And they're also chic. They come in like this mesh carry bag,

which is really cute. Anyways, Recreation Sweat is a fitness company born out of necessity in the pandemic. They also have other products. So there's like a sweat mat, there's power bands, a jump rope, and sliders. Michael uses the jump rope. It's so good for your lymphatic system. Sometimes I'll do it too because it's kind of like a jog, but you're jump roping in one place, which is great too for travel. So those are the two products I would recommend if you're a big traveler are those resistance bands and the jump rope. They have sliders, all kinds of things on this site. Okay. So you can go on there. You can check out their banded body guide. There's 30 workouts

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creating for a long time it was time to launch your own brand like i'm sure you guys felt like this like i i got to a point where it's like i can only talk about other brands for so long where it starts to feel it's got to be a brand i fucking love or it's a no. Did you guys get to that point and decide to launch your product line? And how is that going? I launched my makeup brand in 2016. It's Laura in Los Angeles. And I really, I mean, hindsight's 20, 20, but looking back, I wish I would have been a little more patient because I felt the same way.

And I was like, I have like this influencing and I've worked for so many years to build a following that likes me and enjoys watching my content. Like I want to create something and build other brands. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, that's a recommendation. And I had built up so many brands, you know, and their products and like they run away with that check and I get nothing. Like I just am out there making content over and over specifically in beauty, building up these products, building up these brands and getting nothing in return. Like that's ludicrous. So I want it to, but I do wish I just waited like one or two more years before I did it. Cause I just wasn't experienced enough and I didn't know what I was doing. I was just trying to make it

happen. And I, but that's just something in your twenties you go through. I feel like in my thirties, I'm just like super chill with everything, like to take my time and make sure things are done right. So how has your brand evolved from when you first launched to now? It looks like a completely different brand. Let's talk about your first palette. Cause we both had big glow ups with our brands. Let me tell you, if you just type in Kat's Pajamas on YouTube, it's just like, I literally had a mental breakdown because I thought this was the greatest eyeshadow palette on earth. You know? The quality's great.

The quality's, thank you. Don't knock the quality. Thank you. The quality's amazing. The packaging is one level down from horrendous. It is not horrendous. Shocking. Shocking.

I gotta see it now. Taylor, put it on screen. It is not horrendous. Shocking. Shocking. I gotta see it now. You know what, you guys, if you're not someone said this, if you're not embarrassed by your first thing, then you're not doing it right. So I did it right. I must have done something right. Let me tell you, the first podcast we did, it was like

like a shocker. Oh, it's terrible. This is the cat's pajamas. I'm looking at it right now. Let's have a look-see-poo. The palette itself is literally gorge. Okay, I don't think it's as bad as you said. I think, like, I, okay, but. Okay, so the product itself is amazing.

The color story is gorgeous. It's more so the packaging. Like, the outside is an all glitter silver componentry. The inside is all pink flowers. So it was a very confusing product itself. There was a lot. Yeah. So that's the front of it.

Yep. And then the inside is like pink flowers. So we don't even have that logo anymore. Yeah. That's okay. You evolved. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

The brand looks so good now. Okay. And then Manny, what about you? What about product for you? When did you feel the same need? I felt, no, I felt it at the same, around the same time as Laura. Cause I think I literally came up with my product a year after her. Like, and we had already like kind of gone in with like, we knew we were coming up with brands and I was like, you know, I felt the exact same way. I felt like I was building up these other brands

that only kind of saw me as like a check in a weird way. And I thought, you know what? I'm a reviewer for my, I review product for a living. I have like this like base knowledge of like, not only did I ever do I review products now I worked in Rita, I review product for a living. I have like this like base knowledge of like not only did I, do I review products now? I worked in Rita. I worked at Sephora. I worked at Mac. I had this like knowledge of makeup

that I know a lot of people didn't have or like these CEOs of these huge conglomerates. I'm like, what do you do? Who have no idea how to do makeup, what it's about. It's like to articulate maybe for you,

you had worked in the stores that sold the stuff. You had used the stuff that the stores were selling. You had communicated to the audience that was buying these. And then you had tried all of the different ones and knew what worked and what didn't. Yes. So I did all of those things. I'm like, so why wouldn't I have my own brand where I like know what I like, I know what I want. And I know that I can create something that was beautiful and something that

is going to be aesthetically pleasing, not going to break the bank and that it's going to be something that people would actually enjoy using. Cause if I like it and I've tested all these different things and I'm testing the products firsthand, you know it's going to be good quality. Yeah. So that's why I did mine. So if someone were to start and you can only name one thing with one product, what would it be of each of you? Actually, let's do this.

That's a good fucking question. You tell me what to start with from Manny's line and Manny tells me what to start with from your line like if they were gonna purchase one thing right now yeah ooh okay I have two

but I'm gonna pick one I already know mine for yours okay well it's between your new launch but okay I'm gonna say

your blush palette okay that's my most that was on my highest selling skew of all time it is I think one of the best

blush palettes in the industry thank you he did just come out with a new palette which I was going to say. But to the core, it's that blush palette. The blush palette.

Michael, do you know what blush is? It's the powder, right? There we go. It could be liquid or cream, too. It could be liquid or cream. For where? For the face, right? No, for where?

On the face. Oh, my gosh. That's really good. I cannot wait until my daughter wants to do his makeup. And he's going to have to sit there. I'll let her do it. We could lift his brow a little bit, you know? Absolutely. You can do a lot.

I know things, Lauren. I keep the ear to the ground. He knows the vibes. Okay, okay. I want to know, before you guys go, a little bit about your routine with all of the content that you're producing.

You're both business people. You're running a company. You've got TikTok. It's a lot going on. Do you have a morning and a night routine that you swear by? Is every single day different?

Is it chaotic? How gnarly is your calendar? Talk to us a little bit about that. Before I continue, I want to say Laura's brand product. Oh, I'm sorry. I just want to say it. So I want to say, so you need to. Sorry, I to say Laura's brand product. Oh, I'm sorry. I just want to say it. So I want to say, so Nudie 2.

Sorry, I got distracted with my own slash. No, it's fine. I love it. No, I just want to say Nudie Patootie. So she has a palette called Nudie Patootie. And Nudie 2 is the one I would say. So Nudie 2, it's like, it's a palette and has several shades in it. All neutral, very high quality stuff. And that's what I would say.

That's like the core of your brand as well. guys are really cute supportive friends i've noticed thank you like it's sweet thank you well i just like i want best for her we'll also um roast each other real good if you get us if you were together too long you'll start to hear see it it's in the best way possible we come for each other like in a fun way yeah well that's why everyone needs to listen to you guys podcast yeah so coverage so when it comes to the routine, I think my days are actually always different, to be honest. Like I would say for me, I think that there are some days where I'm like, I'm wearing the Lunar Beauty hat. Where I'm like, I got to be focused on the brand today. I can't really focus on Manium UA stuff as much.

I got to focus on like the samples, testing out product. I have to focus on like the website, email reviews, all those kind of things. So I'll have days like that where I'm like, boom, CEO vibes. And then I have days where I'm like, okay, I have to focus on Manium. I have to focus on filming the podcast. I have podcast days. I have days where I have to film YouTube content, TikTok content, Instagram, all that kind of stuff. So that's different days.

So it depends. But you're not jamming all the things in one day. This is a selfish question. You're a batcher. I batch too. That's what you pick one thing so your brain doesn't go all over the place. I pick my battles per day. This is a selfish question. You're a batcher. I batch too. You pick one thing so your brain doesn't go all over the place. I pick my battles for a day.

Here's the question since I haven't dipped my tone in enough. You said TikTok. Do you batch all your TikToks in one day? No. No. I think TikToks for me it's more of like a random thing. I'm so different from him. I'm a Virgo. Every Sunday night I have a physical calendar and I pick two days a week for YouTube content. And then every day of the week,

I have my TikToks lined up that I'm going to film and every single thing I'm going to do, every video I'm going to film, everything I need to do is written in the calendar. And then my days are Laura Los Angeles days where I'm CEO of the brand. I have those days written in. But no matter what, I have a certain amount of things that will be executed and on Sunday, we figure out what days they will be executed. I think people would like to see

this on your YouTube channel. She's so good. I'm really crazy about it. With YouTube, I can only imagine how I would fit YouTube into what I'm doing. You have to be completely made up. I feel like I would need a facial massage because we got to tighten the cheekbones.

A little lymphatic drainage. A little lymphatic. You need your hair done. Your spray tan. Michael doesn't know what we're talking about. You need your brows done. Let's go back to crypto, Lauren. Come on.

Yeah, but you got to have everything all set up. Totally. And then the lights. For me, it's never, okay, if I have time this week, I want to film this. This is what is coming first, and this is what will happen this week. So this is where it will fit in. And I already put those placeholders. So when other things come in, it's probably going to be a no because my slots are already

filled and you should have came at me two or three weeks earlier with this, whether it be an event or a meeting or a phone call. I put my content first because it's made me who I am, not meetings and phone calls. You know, my content that you like, because you can get every opportunity in the world, but if you're not producing content and like good content, then eventually it's going to fizzle off. So I always put my content first. I have one more question for each of you. Knowing everything you know now about creating content, creating businesses online, obviously this space is shaken out in such a different way than when

all of us entered this arena. For aspiring creators, aspiring influencers, YouTubers, podcasters, what would you tell them when they're starting now today in this landscape compared to when you guys started? Because the strategy, I'm sure, is going to be much different. It's so different. It's like, I would say literally eons different. It's not the same. So like you can't just like, I feel like nowadays it's a lot harder. Like, let's say start on YouTube or start on some platform. Cause it's like, there's so much competing things going on in the platforms. For me, I'd honestly always tell them like, start on TikTok, honestly. Cause like people can blow up on there, honestly. Start on TikTok. People can blow up on there. YouTube, you could blow up on YouTube before. You can blow up

on Instagram before. Those platforms don't blow people up anymore. It doesn't help them. Can you show me how to do one before you go? Yes, we will absolutely show you how to do a TikTok before we go. 100%. So you're saying go to emerging platforms where attention is just starting to happen. Yes. Yes. Because that's where it's like it's just different. The thing is, let's say

on TikTok, the algorithm is so unique. You can create a video and it can literally get like 10 million views on it even if you have no followers. No followers. But the thing is about TikTok, It can be passed around.

I think it's so important that at the same time that you're doing TikTok, you're also uploading on YouTube because no influencer has more longevity than a YouTuber. Yeah.

It is. It's what's going to give you the longevity because like TikTok is going to burn off in two or three years. I'm going to add to that. I think podcasting

goes hand in hand with that and I'll tell you why. Well, here's what it is. It's anything where you can build a long tail library on that people can continue to go back to. But I will tell you

one thing about podcasting and why I'm excited that you guys are in the space. Podcasting is the only platform that saves the audience time. Every other single platform takes their time, including TikTok, including YouTube, including Instagram, including blogs. Podcasting, someone right now is picking their kids up at school and getting a manicure and folding laundry and cleaning the kitchen.

They're able to do things. And you can do that with youtube too like i'll put youtube on the background and like do whatever but it's different to be in someone's ear yeah but even i mean this is maybe counter because you guys are doing a podcast too not to add it no it's true that's what we did though but even if this is counter to what i'm doing here but i would still agree with both of you that it's better to go to places where there is attention and chance of because even with the podcast, it's a

great medium. It's very competitive, but the discoverability is hard. You guys are coming with a built in audience. We're coming with a built audience. This would not be the first thing I would say, hey, do that first. And also it's podcasting too. And you guys, same with YouTube. You have to have a unique recipe for each of

the avenues. I agree. It has to be different on everything. I think that's actually really important. So like on our podcast, I feel like we're a little bit more open than we are on other platforms. So that's what makes it different. Like for example, for me on my TikToks, I do like funny voice over TikToks. Like I do things that are more

campy, a little bit more like funny, sexual even over there. Humorous stuff. Do we get to see your penis? No, sadly. I know. I know. I'm not Jesse Williams. I know Jesse Williams.

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