The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Michelle Pfeiffer: A Hollywood Icon On, Career Longevity, Health, Beauty, & Wellness Advice We Should Know

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

#537: On today's episode we are joined by Michelle Pfeiffer. Michelle Pfeiffer is an American actress and producer known for her versatile performances in a wide range of films. She began her acting career in the 1980s and quickly established herself as one of Hollywood's leading ladies. Pfeiffer began her career with small roles in films such as "Grease 2" and "Falling in Love Again" before achieving critical acclaim and commercial success in the film "Scarface". Pfeiffer has received numerous awards and accolades throughout her career, including three Golden Globe Awards and one Academy Award nomination. Today she joins the show to discuss her career, how to find passion, longevity, health, beauty, and wellness. We also discuss her latest passion project Henry Rose.      To connect with Michelle Pfeiffer click HERE To connect with Henry Rose click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential. This episode is brought to you by Sakara Sakara delivers science-backed, plant-rich nutrition programs and wellness essentials right to your door. Their ready-to-eat meals are nutritionally designed to deliver results—from weight management and eased bloat to boosted energy and clearer skin. Go to Sakara.com/skinny or enter code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Cymbiotika Cymbiotika is a health supplement company, designing sophisticated organic formulations that are scientifically proven to increase vitality and longevity by filling nutritional gaps that result from our modern day diet. Use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 15% off your first purchase at cymbiotika.com This episode is brought to you by Mindbloom Mindbloom is the leader in at-home ketamine therapy for people looking for a new way to treat their anxiety and depression. They combine science-backed medicine with a guided treatment plan that is both affordable and fast-acting. Go to Mindbloom.com/tsc and use code TSC for $100 off your first six session program today. This episode is brought to you by Perfect Snacks Made with freshly-ground nut butter, organic honey and 20 organic superfoods, Perfect Bar has a variety of products that are good to eat and good for you. Go to perfectsnacks.com/skinny to learn how you can receive a perfect bar for free. This episode is brought to you by Ring Concierge Ring Concierge is the leading luxury jeweler committed to designing for women, by women. Use code TSC20 and save 20% on any fine jewelry at ringconcierge.com  (Excluding bridal, classic diamond studs, and gift cards) Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Aha! My husband has said to me, you do disappear a little bit when you work. I lock in, and even from the moment I sign on to do a part in a movie, it could be six months, it could be a year, I'm thinking about it all the time. It's sort of there, because once I commit, it's just working on me and working on me. I like

to have just a blank slate ahead of me because a little bit of that performance anxiety starts to kick in. The thing that will undermine an actor quicker than anything is fear. you may recognize that theme because it is the theme from Scarface and today we are sitting with Michelle Pfeiffer she is an icon icon. She is an actress, a producer, and the founder of Henry Rose Fragrance. She's also a wife and a mother. I mean, everyone knows her. She's literally like, it's Michelle Pfeiffer. Having her on has been such a moment for us. And I hope that you guys extract as much value out of this episode as I did interviewing her. So let's get into who she is. You probably know her from her classic movies, Scarface,

Batman Returns, Dangerous Minds, One Fine Day. Michelle is one of America's most prolific stars. But today, we're sitting down and we're talking about her career and her lifestyle and her wellness. But we're also talking about her evolution. She is very, very, very smart and sharp when it comes to doing her research on which brands she uses and consumes. And this conversation was so eye-opening for me, I literally went home and examined everything I'm doing in my house. And you'll find out why in this episode. Just to give you a little background, Michelle founded Henry Rose in 2019 after years of researching on how ingredients in our products affect your skin and overall health. Of course, we're going to get into all the things, how she got started, raising kids in Hollywood, balancing motherhood. But we're also going to talk about the time away that she spent from the spotlight. And we're going to really dive deep

into chemicals that we're exposed to every day. We're going to talk about how some of those chemicals have effects on your hormones and how Michelle got into wellness. And then we're going to get into Henry Rose. Henry Rose is the first line of fine fragrances created with 100% ingredient transparency. And in this episode, she is so relatable and so incredible and so forthright about what she's discovered that it feels like we're having a happy hour with a friend. She also was kind enough to do a giveaway at the end of this. So stay tuned. On that note, I could not be more excited to welcome the Michelle Pfeiffer to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast.

This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Michelle Pfeiffer just told us she runs Puffy. I don't think I believe that, Michael. Listen, if seven-year-old Michael Bosler could see me now sitting with Catwoman, let me tell you, it's one of those life moments. Yeah, Michael was pretty excited. I would love to give a little context of the audience to where you grew up

and what your life was like before you became an actress. Oh, wow. Before I became an actress, I was working at Vaughn's Supermarket. I started as a box girl when I was in high school and worked my way up to checker. It was a great job. Loved it. Great people in Orange County. That's where I grew up. In fact, when I, I, I, this all came about, I ended up here in a fit of frustration. One day I was standing behind the cash register and there was some customer who was, I don't know, having such an issue with the cantaloupes and the cost or the something. And I just, I just, I just couldn't

take it anymore. And I just said to myself, what do you want to do? Not, okay, what, what can you do or what's possible? But if somebody could hand it to you on a silver platter, what would it be? And it was acting. And I had taken an acting class in high school to avoid, not because I thought I was going to be an actress, but, but I could get English credits. And I really didn't like English. I didn't know anything about the theater at all. And I ended up falling in love with acting. I fell in love with the people.

I was a surfer chick and hung around all those cool surfer people. And I think I sort of thought the theater people were kind of weird. What I discovered is I guess I'm as weird as they are because I really feel like I belong here and I had a sense of fitting in, I think, in a much different way than I ever had before. And that was when I caught the acting bug, how do you even go about prepping for acting? Because there's a lot of work that goes behind. It's not like you've just got a movie role, I'm assuming. I imagine it's changed, obviously, since as well. I did start taking, I was living in Orange County, taking acting classes up in Los Angeles. I was commuting and going on interviews and doing commercial interviews and taking acting class in the evening. I really started out just instinctual. And I think I always felt a sense of that imposter syndrome because I didn't go to Juilliard and I didn't go, you know, I didn't have that sort of traditional kind of training. And then I studied, years later, I studied with Sandra Seacat and she was somebody teaching in New York. And it changed a little bit the way I approach and I prepare. But really, I just look at the script as it's like a treasure hunt for me. And it's always different because each part

demands something different of you for, you know, oh, I have to learn to play the cello in this one, or I have to sing in this one, or I have to understand what it means to have that killer instinct. And then you just look for, look for any kind of tentacle or any kind of thread in my life that I can then build upon because you always want to of course make it as personal as you can and sometimes obviously the further away a character is from from your own personality or your own experience you have a much bigger job to do what's what's an of like a thread, if you can think of one? A thread? Yeah, a thread in your life where you're like, okay, I'm going to use that for this particular

role. Sometimes I don't even realize how close it is to my real life. I think, oh, I don't have anything to do with this character until I actually get in there and I discover actually I have quite a bit in common. Is it like an emotion or is it something that actually happened that you have to draw from or is it an experience? It's typically an experience. Okay. Yeah.

You know, a relationship you've had, an experience you've had. The most challenging for me was when I did White Oleander and I don't think I ever found a thread I just for whatever reason I I had a really and maybe it was because she had no threat I mean maybe she was psychopath so you know maybe that kind of person such a different kind of mindset that is really maybe it's just impossible for somebody who has a conscience not a psychopath there. There's just no, right, there was nothing. What was your first role that you were recognized for? Like what you would go out to lunch and people would come up to you. It's a slow build always.

And so it's really hard to say what is that one moment. But I did notice a big shift when, I guess, well, Grease 2 was a big shift when I guess well Grease 2 was a big shift it was Grease 2 then it was Scarface and then it was and then when Witches of Eastwick came out it was another kind of you know I noticed it in sort of seismic sort of shifts like that and I remember when I after I'd filmed Witches of Eastwick and then i went away for a while and i was out of the united states and i came back and it was just different all of a sudden my visibility was a lot higher as an actress is that exciting is it scary is it both what is that like it's both i think it it's both I think it scared me for a long time.

I think I'm not really that in touch with it in a weird way. I'm sort of disconnected from it. And I sort of live my life pretending I'm not really famous in a weird way. That's actually great advice. You're like dissociating. I will say this. We've done a lot of these shows and a lot of different kinds of people over the years have come in. And I just text Lauren when I wanted to let her know you were coming in.

I said, hey, here, super cool, just you. And sometimes you see these entourages show up and all these things and it's such a production. And for somebody that's reached the pinnacle of success and notoriety that you have, I just think it's such a juxtaposition because you don't expect it, right? It's like you've had, I mean, you've been in all of these incredible movies and in a way, like, but I want to point out, it's like, you're just, it's not the image that people would think of a huge Hollywood actress. Does that make sense? A theme that comes up on this show a lot of times is people write in wondering about how to find confidence or how to build confidence.

When you're starting out in your career and then all of a sudden you're sharing the same screen, sharing the same script with someone like Al Pacino, do you go in and are you fully confident or do you still have some of that imposter syndrome? What does that look like at that point in time? I cried myself to sleep almost every night on starface okay because the theme was so dark because the acting was so i mean that was an intense movie no it was very intense well you

know the auditioning process was really intense and grueling and i think i auditioned for any i don't know it was like two months maybe it felt like a year but when you auditioned did you know it was across from him or did you just, you just liked the story or the script? No, I was auditioning with him. Okay. You were with him. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And, and they were auditioning a lot of people and it was obviously a huge deal for me. Al wanted someone else.

Understandably so. I mean, you know, I'm the girl from Grease 2, you know what I mean? I was just sort of. And had you met before that? No, I'd never met him. No. Oh you know, I'm the girl from Grease 2. You know what I mean? I was just sort of... And had you met before that? No, I'd never met him. No. Oh, well, so that's encouraging. I hadn't met anyone. I hadn't met anyone. So anyway, I did a really good reading for the casting director and the director. And then had to meet Al. Went to New York. It was this big, like a lot of people. And I just got so nervous, not because of anything. He's the most lovely, kind, generous person. But, you know, I was surrounded by all of these seasoned actors and I just didn't have a lot of experience under my feet. And it was a series of coming back and coming back. And with each time I had to come back, I got worse and worse and worse because, you know, the thing that will undermine an actor quicker than anything is fear. And by the time I was so bad, you know,

and it was like, I know I'm bad. And I kind of when, and then I didn't get the part and they said, bye-bye, you know, I said, I'm sorry. I know it's not your fault. Then like a month later, they called me back for a screen test. And I was, it was mixed because I was kind of by that point, so happy to be out of my misery. And I was being tortured. What were you so scared of? You don't mind me asking, was it just because they were so seasoned and you were, would you be scared to work with Al no shit of course i'd be scared but i just i'm trying to kind of like understand like what the main i mean concern was outside of that he's al pacino that i was going to be bad okay that i was going to embarrass myself you know that i i wouldn't be able to deliver and i didn't as it turned out by the time I showed up for the screen test, I had such a lack of hope that I,

that I would ever get this part. I was so chill. I mean, I just walked in and I probably did my own makeup. In fact, I think I did. And I think I did my own hair even maybe all of a sudden I could act again. All of a sudden it all came back because I didn't care. And I did, I did a really good screen test and that's how I got't care. And I did a really good screen test and that's how I got the part. Whoa. And that part, I mean, people still, Michael and I were you, I was you for Halloween.

I mean, people are obsessed. Well, the look is super iconic, yeah. It's so iconic. I mean, you can watch that movie now and you're, it's a big success. No, I didn't do, that wasn't the hair I had for the screen test, by the way. I did not do my hair and makeup for the film.

I may have done my eye makeup. I think I did my eye makeup. I mean. For the film, but I had a team. After you do that movie, though, I mean, that's got to be surreal. When you're doing press and it comes out and people are just obsessed. Yeah, it was surreal. So what was the next movie that you fell in love with after Scarface?

Is there a movie that you look back on that you're like, this was the best experience? I loved it. I loved how it turned out, everything. No, I've liked so many. I've been really lucky. I've been so fortunate with the filmmakers that I've worked with and the actors I've worked with. I always think of Married to the Mob. I just loved working on that film.

I loved working with Jonathan Demme. And I loved Angela DeMarco. I just had so much fun being her. And I loved Fabius Baker Boys. Again, loved working with the Bridges brothers and Steve Clovis directing. Susie Diamond was a real diamond in the rough I loved her and I think probably playing those types of characters are closer to maybe who I am I assume it's easier to play characters who are closer to you yes and no sometimes it's if it's too close in an emotional way, it's sometimes your your own psyche gets in your way of tapping into those places.

When you're doing White Oleander and you said it was the farthest from you and there's like a dark energy around the role, does that take a toll on your regular life? I wasn't happy. I mean, I was counting the days that it would end because I just, it was torture for me. The vibration of the role seeps into your life because... A little bit. I mean, I'm not the kind of actor that stays in character all the time. It's like Daniel Day-Lewis showing up as Abe Lincoln to the... Yeah. No, I'm not like that. I'm not like that. But I have, my husband has said to me, It's like Daniel Day-Lewis showing up as Abe Lincoln to the... Well, it's that I lock in and even from the moment that I sign on to do a part in a movie, it could be six months, it could be a year, I'm thinking about it all the time. It's sort of there. That's another reason why my agents call me Dr. No. I'm always a little bit resistant, actually a lot resistant to commit to things because once I commit, it's just

working on me and working on me. And I like to have just a blank slate ahead of me because a little bit of that performance anxiety starts to kick in, even though it's a year away. What do you think are the traits that are necessary to have, I guess, not just in this career path, but in any career path? Because you've stayed relevant for so long and you've been in so many, what do you think those traits are for people that are listening? I think I've been really lucky to play some really, I mean, some really iconic characters, you know, like Suzy Diamond and Catwoman and Angela DeMarco and Elvira. And, you know, I think honestly, a lot of that is my legacy in other words. So

those characters stay relevant, I think. Sure. But I guess what I'm saying is like, it can't all just be right character. There's got to be, I don't know whether it's a discipline or a trade or a practice or a routine because, you know, so many people, especially in entertainment, they kind of come and go. Well, I disappeared for a little while. I mean, I disappeared for about five years. It was just to take a break or? I was having kids and we moved, we relocated in Northern California. And when I started dreaming up Henry Rose was then when I wasn't really working. And I was also sort of this in this in-between place, you know, I sort of didn't feel like I was really a leading lady. I wasn't a grandma yet, but I wasn't also like an

ingenue. I wasn't sort of, and I was having babies and, and relocating the family was, I really underestimated what that meant. Was the reasoning you just didn't want to raise here because we just relocated too. And we actually just, we live in Texas and go back and forth between here, but we had two kids as well. And so part of the reasoning of relocation was that for sure. Look, it's challenging no matter where you raise kids. I didn't set out to stop working or it wasn't my plan, but I became so difficult, you know, in terms of my prerequisites in terms of, well, where does it shoot? How long does it shoot? What time of year does it shoot? Can I bring the kids? Is it during the school year? And then it was just too difficult to hire me, honestly. And I was okay with that.

And honestly, I didn't even realize how much time had gone by. And I was kind of reading things on the way. And there was just nothing that really I liked enough that prompted me to want to leave home, leave the kids. Because at this point, when they were little, when they were really small, you can just take them with you. I literally would take Claudia to restaurants with me and put her car seat on the table. I mean, I just took her everywhere. And then once they're in school,

I just didn't want to disrupt their life and the routines that they were establishing and the friends they were making. And so, and then for a while, I would just do things, if they were longer shoots, in the summer. And it just, and then it just became so complicated. I remember my, actually it was my kids. I said, Mom, are you ever going to go back to work?

I said, what do you mean? Isn't it great that I'm home? They're like, well, you know. And, you know, they actually love to travel because they grew up traveling. So we're in Northern California. And anyway, you know, and it was after they were born that I really started to look at the world in a different way. And I started to look at the world through their eyes. And I started to see a lot of children being diagnosed with, I think were considered more adult associated diseases. I don't know if you guys have noticed that. Sure. But like, and on serious medications.

At really young ages. At really young ages, more and more. And at the same time, my- That didn't happen. I mean, maybe once in a while, but when we were kids, I can't remember. And maybe you didn't hear about it, but I can't remember to this degree at all. Yeah. Yeah. Unless it was going on and we weren't aware of it, but I do think it's more. And then around the same time, my father and my best friend were both diagnosed with cancer. And then I looked around and I'm just like seeing so much cancer and what is going on i know there are of course biological components to you know to that but there has to be something else going on there has to be something environmental going on i started i started really investigating and doing a deeper dive into our environment and and

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searching for an organic store searching for the organic like it was it was just all that kind of you know manufactured food or whatever and there was this constant and also to find product you could find some products but you know they just didn't perform in the way that the toxic stuff did. And so I found myself as a parent, for instance, okay, I know this sunblock, they're not going to get skin cancer because this is really going to protect their skin from the sun. But what about these chemicals in it? And are they going to get another kind of cancer because I'm exposing them to these chemicals and as a mom every day I was having to choose between safety and performance and in my own life whether it was the makeup I was using for work or the hair products you're using and it I mean I just really went down the rabbit hole I of course I couldn't work I was spending all my time looking

up ingredients anyway one day I stumbled upon the Environmental Working Group Skin Deep database. Do you guys know? No, but we're going to learn now. Okay, you guys, this is such an incredible resource and you need to know about it. Is it going to scare me? Yeah, it's going to scare you, but it's going to give you, initially it's going to scare you, but it's going to give you, initially it's going to scare you, but it's going to give you a resource to find safer options for your family and for yourself. I mean, it really is. You can look up the personal care products you're using. And a lot of times they have them on the site already and they've already rated them for high hazard level.

So the higher the number, the more hazardous they are. And say their website one more time. It's the Environmental Working Group's Cosmetics Skin Deep Database. And is it only for cosmetics and skin products or is it for everything? The Environmental Working Group, they also rate, I think they just started recently doing household cleaners and that kind of thing, but they have a lot of, you know, they have a lot of studies on the website. It's just such a wonderful source of information. I'm going to be real Debbie Downer here for a little bit. You know, the EU has banned over 1300 ingredients in their personal care and beauty products. You want to guess how many the United States have banned?

How many? Eight. We just did a whole episode with, do you know what dry farms wine, dry farm wine is? Have you heard of it? It's just like a clean organ. And he came on and told us there's something like 77 additives that they don't have to disclose in regular wine in this country and you're just like crazy stuff you said like you're you're in the makeup chair you're doing your own makeup you're doing your own beauty how do you even decipher this is a lot of information you have two kids i mean i know it's a lot it's a lot and one of the things that I, at the time, remembering when I started to really get into this,

I just thought if I had only known this when I was a young, because I was thinking about these young adolescent men and women, boys and girls, who are just getting into, you know, they're going through puberty and they're trying all these different products and they're using cologne and they're using perfume and they're using makeup and they're doing everything, everything. And it's exciting and they should be able to have fun with all of those things. But they're just dousing themselves with products that the government has not deemed to be safe. So with all this information, when you get this information.

How exciting to go back and go through our medicine cabinet. I told Michelle when you weren't in the room this morning, he's in the tiny bathroom next to my daughter, who's two, spraying his hairspray. Well, listen, I had to make a decision. Look at how much hairspray is in this hair. This is a hormone disruptor. I knew you were coming in today. I'm not hooking up with you until you get done with,

get that out of my face. Listen, Lauren, it's not every day you interview Catwoman and I had to get this lick back going. Now, it's possible his hairspray is fine. Is it aerosol though?

That's not good. It's probably not good. You're breathing it in. It's like clouding the room. My mother and father, my dad busted into the room, slammed the lights on, screamed, get up. And then my mom hit the Windex all over the glass.

That's how I grew up. Yeah, same. Oh, yeah. Same. I'm right there. I mean, I was, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a painter too. So I'm, you know, I'm sure my brain has all kinds of weird spots on it.

What do you do with the information? Where's the place that you started first? Did you start with your beauty, your makeup? What? I started with the information though where's the place that you started first did you start with your beauty your makeup what I started with the family I started with it with you know I mean I used to I used to make our own bug spray you know but you know using a lot using some essential oils and I really relied on on the environmental working group a lot once I discovered their website. So anyway, what would happen is I would look up ingredients over and over again and they would seem to be fine and safe and then all of a sudden fragrance would ping really high on hazard level.

Just fragrance in general? Just fragrance because this is what people don't understand is fragrance can be listed as one ingredient. And it is a lot of the time it's because of the trade secret thing. So can be listed as one ingredient on a box labeled as one ingredient. But that, that one word fragrance is really consisted of any number of ingredients pulled from over 3,000 ingredients that are not regulated by the government. And they're not transparent about it. And the other thing is, is that the thing that I learned with my work with EWG and developing this fragrance is look, naturals are

really beautiful. I mean, we all, you know, everybody uses them. You can develop such beautiful complex fragrances, but, you know, not all essential oils are created equal either. There are some of them that have their own naturally occurring hormone disruptors in them. And so when you think about them in a really, really concentrated form, you know, they're not safe for everyone. And 30% of the population have some pretty severe allergies to fragrance. Have they done studies on showing which kind of hormones and how and with which sex is being interrupted the most or have they not? Well, I mean, whoever's using the most products. Okay. Raising or lowering or what?

You know, I read a study that was done at Berkeley. There's some evidence, I would say, that when a person, a young person, whether it's a woman or a man, is exposed to these hormone disruptors during puberty, think about it, your hormones are going crazy. And when they're disrupted at that time, it can set the stage for breast cancer later on in life. So it's, you know, I feel like it's also young people that I really want to reach. I mean, there's so many little things too. Like when you're using Tide, you're sleeping on that pillow for nine hours or eight hours every single day. So, and you're just breathing it in. Especially the scented one. The scented

one. I mean, it's crazy. And scent is in everything. It's crazy. And then even I was thinking when I was breastfeeding my son, I put, I told you this, I put perfume on and then I'm breastfeeding him and then I'm like, oh my God, he's sucking on the perfume. It's, when you really start going. You're dousing the perfume all the way. And don't get me started on dry cleaning. Oh, don't, oh my God, I didn't even think about that. What's wrong with dry cleaning? Well, dry cleaning is used way more. A lot of chemicals. So what do you do instead of dry cleaning? Oh, don't, oh my God, I didn't even think about that. What's wrong with dry cleaning? Well,

dry cleaning is used way more. A lot of chemicals. So what do you do instead of dry cleaning? You steam it? Well, there are green, there are green dry cleaners.

Oh, I'm going to do that. And then I just try to, you know, hand wash whatever. I don't absolutely have to dry clean. And also,

I feel like cleaning products are, I mean, you come and you clean the space you're eating on. When I'm at a restaurant and they come over with Windex and they're spraying it, I mean, you come and you clean the space you're eating on. When I'm at a restaurant and they come over with Windex and they're spraying it, I mean, it's just like, you could go on and on and on and on. Have you ever had anybody spray Windex at me at a restaurant? She eats at some really shitty places.

Your mom sprays Windex while I'm eating at your house. My mom's a different story. She's got the vacuum going with the reaching thing above my head. She's probably going to be upset I said that, but sorry, Mom. It's true. But you really can spiral with all these different things. Yeah, you can. And so you have to, you know, our bodies are meant to process a certain amount of assaults.

And we do pretty good. But when we get overloaded is when, you know we our bodies just break down and so I think you just have its percentages you're not going to live a perfectly clean life chemicals are everywhere and that's why you know we are Henry Rose is really we are a product that is is very modern and sophisticated and we are a combination of safe synthetics and safe naturals. Why did you decide to start with perfume? What inspired that? Because it was, okay, so living up north, because as I started doing my research, again, fragrance seemed to be very toxic. At least that's how I understood the high hazard level.

What I came to understand is actually, it's not necessarily the case. It's that they're completely like, it's the last black box of ingredient transparency. And it was because of that lack of transparency and the lack of ingredient disclosure and because of that lack of transparency of not, and the lack of ingredient disclosure, and because of the history of some harmful ingredients in all of beauty, all of personal care, and that includes, you know, hormone disruptors, carcinogens, allergens, and, you know, some that are known to cause neurotoxicity. So because of that history and not knowing what's in them, they just gave it, erring on the side of safety, a high hazard level. That's why when we, with our work,

we got the EWG verification and the cradle-to-cradle certification, and you have to have total transparency with your ingredients. You have to have toxology reports in order to get EWG verified for safety. They have the most safety criteria really in the world because they also pull from every single banned ingredient list because all over the world they're different in different countries and they pull from all of them. And that goes on. That's one of the tools that they use in terms of rating the safety of an ingredient.

How do you pick the scents? Are you really hands-on with when you pick the fragrance? I guess it's not fragrance. What do you call it? You can call it fragrance. Okay, yeah. So how do you pick the scent? Well, the very first, it's sort of evolved over

time and all of them are based on a scent memory. And the first five that we launched with in 2019 were based on my scent memories. And I didn't really understand the impact and the power of that at the time. And I was going after, I started out saying, again, frustration of having to choose on a daily basis, performance and safety. And over time, like now 10 years go by, I'm not wearing fragrance. I've eliminated it from my life. I love it. I miss it. And I thought, okay, well, maybe I can, maybe I can try to see if it's possible to even do this. Can you do, I missed, I missed that fine fragrance scent that we all know, that sophisticated scent. I could find, honestly, a lot of things that smelled like bug spray. Right. And that wasn't what I was going after. The bougie scent. I know exactly what you mean. I wanted that bougie scent and I wanted it to be transparent and I wanted it to be safe.

And so I reached out to EWG, asked them, would they collaborate with me? They said, no, we can't do that. It's a conflict of interest, but we're here to support you in any way that we can. I went to a couple of cosmetic companies. They didn't understand what I was talking about. Anyway, cut to 10 years go by. I've tried, I've failed, I've tried, I've failed over those 10 years. Finally, about five years ago, I thought I want to give this one more shot. It was New Year's Day. I remember I said, woke up and I said, what do you want to do this year? What do you want to do? I thought, okay, I'm going to give that one more try. Got in touch with Ken Cook at EWG again. Hey, Ken, I'm going to give this thing one more try.

And he said, you know, actually we can help you now because we're starting our verified program. We realized that we needed to have something in place to help brands like yours who want to develop safer products and cleaner and transparent products. But they need some guardrails. They need some help and they need some guidance. And so along with EWG and they said, and he said, you know, you might want to consider this clean movement has really taken hold. It's really gained a lot of momentum. You might want to consider approaching the Fragrance House houses directly. And I was sort of, I thought that was nuts. I thought, why would they want to do this, you know? And as it turns out, they did. And ultimately I ended up working with the

International Food and Fragrance IFF and they had already, and this is how Cradle to Cradle came into it. And they had already been working with Cradle to Cradle. They had been challenged to develop a fragrance that met their strict criteria. And when I walked in for the meeting, they had it sitting on the table, and I burst into tears because this had been maybe 10, 15 years of just being told by everyone I talked to, you'll never get the fragrance industry to be transparent.

This will never happen. Why are you choosing the hardest category? Do makeup, do personal care, do skincare, but don't do fragrance. And it was because I couldn't find it. Again, Clean Space, you could start to find cleaner products that actually performed, but you still, you couldn't find fragrance. It was the one thing you just couldn't find. It was still completely untransparent. And again, nothing that smelled awesome and bougie. Are you going to change your cologne? We need a guy. I mean, I need something for guys.

To be honest, I really. It's genderless. What are you talking about? It's genderless. Oh, my gosh. I didn't know that. Oh, it's genderless. And also.

Smell this. Now, this is I layered. OK, this is I layered this this morning okay ready all right come here get that nose over here oh it's actually pretty nice what do you mean it's actually pretty nice i think for men i'll wear it yeah michael's gonna wear i have to kind of take a deep breath here for a second michelle it's gender i grew up loving men i grew you okay? I grew up. Is that weird? No, no. Smell me.

I guess that is kind of weird. No, it's not weird. I'll be in a restaurant and I'll do that like people at the table and David will be like, honey, this is looking really weird. Hold on. I got to go write in my diary for a second. I want to ask you. So this is layered char, which is kind of a smoky, ambery, tonka bean.

And it's layered with windows down, which is more citrusy and fresh and clean. And the two of them together, the opposites are what makes a really interesting, complex scent. Well, now I want to smell. Yeah, yeah. Of course. I'm jealous there. Hold on. Wow.

I'm actually shocked. I was going to ask wait hold i will that smells expensive yes they all do i was expecting more of like like you said just grass root no it does it smells bougie it is bougie it smells like hotel eden rock it is bougie smells very good you guys wow that smells. Smells very good, you guys. Wow, that smells very, very, very good. I should have brought you guys products. No, it's okay. I'm going to get some. I'm going to try it.

I'm going to put some on his nightstand and get rid of everything he has. It sounds like a lot of the catalyst for maybe some of this was having children and obviously being aware of what you're giving them. But also, it sounds like you have been interested in wellness and health yourself. But then we have this quote from our audience. One of us, she said, when I was in my twenties, I lived on Marlboro lights and Coca-Cola. And for the young people listening, me included at the time, like, I think when you're young, you feel you're invincible. You could do anything and you can kind of treat your body in any kind of way. When did you start to get

interested in taking care of yourself and in in wellness and better ingredients yeah i remember i was a friend of mine was she was in into kind of wellness where i was in my early 20s i guess and and i was over there and she was she had this trainer there and i was probably smoking and drinking a coca-cola and he looked at me and he said you know everything you do today is going to show up later in life and I went um so I can imagine the look you gave him it's in Scarface there's a certain look yeah anyway I didn't I didn't you know and is for me, one of the first things that came to mind when I started learning all of this is I've spent my life poisoning myself. I have, I have exposed myself. I mean, not just cigarettes and Coca-Cola, but all of it. And it was really,

you know, I had quit smoking by the time my, my kids were born and was I still drinking Coca-Cola, but all of it. And it was really, you know, I'd quit smoking by the time my kids were born. And was I still drinking Coca-Cola? I don't know about that. But I, before I became a parent, I just, I was clueless. I was just really clueless. And yeah, I just felt invincible. And then you get these little babies and you just, you all of a sudden want to protect them and your world and the way you look at the world just changes. And it was through them that I reaped the benefits of taking better care of myself. And, you know, it just really makes me want to reach young people, adolescent people. Is that, is there a gym in the building? I just heard that.

Yeah, I just heard that. It's a little bump. Yeah, it's gone now. It was a bump. I think it's still my heart beating from when I snored you. But I do think that the younger generations now are so much more aware and into it, and they really are demanding transparency,

and they want to know about sustainability. They want to know the story behind the products that they're purchasing. I think, you know, they are concerned about where their dollars are going. You know, they've got their QR codes out and they're looking up ingredients and it's really, we can learn a lot from them. I don't remember one time doing that until I was probably in my late 20s. I just like, you know, we grew up in that era, like late 80s, 90s, early 2000s. We just didn't have this kind of information at our fingertips. Nobody was really paying attention. You're probably too young.

Do you remember a magazine called Utney? Is it still around? Utney? Mm-mm. U-T-N-E. I don't know. It's probably not still around, but it was the only thing. It was like a real kind of left-wing magazine and it talked a lot about this. It was talking a lot about this, but it was really the only publication that was printing. Just too ahead of its time.

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That's why I'm not vegan, because I feel like I would just be eating pasta. I ate just carbs, which I love, by the way. I was so excited. I'm like, oh, my God, I get to eat all these carbs. And then after a couple of years i just wasn't feeling good and looking good and talk about bloat it's really you know like getting bloated in weird ways yeah it's hard to get the protein i'm i love meat and i'm getting very serious about where i get my meat and there's this place called force of nature okay they have

the best meat. And I think it's Michelle approved. I feel like it's in line with Henry Rose. Force of Nature meat, if you guys are looking for a meat company. Well, it's all sustainable and grass-fed and responsible. Okay, grass-fed is really important. I mean, that's the thing. They do all these studies about meat and the harmful effects of red meat in particular, but I never see them differentiate between grass-fed red meat and, and right. And, and the kind that is filled with antibiotics and hormones and, and corn fed. And I, I, there, I think there has to be a difference. Well, if you look at all, I mean, in some cultures like Mongolia, for example, or even

many of the native American tribes, many like thrived off of just meat, right? And raw meat. And I think it's important to understand that distinction of these factory farmed, poor practice places compared to something that's sustainable and responsible. It's horrifying when you see those. Oh, yeah. And so who would want to, I mean, if you see that, who would want to actually eat that? I mean, many are kind of forced to because they don't know or they don't have access. And it's more affordable meat because grass-fed meat is more expensive and organic stuff is more expensive.

So there's that. I don't know a lot about it, but also people in Alaska don't have a lot of fresh produce in certain parts of Alaska. And they grew up that way. And there's sort of genetics, as opposed to somebody who grew up in Hawaii. And I think that there is, again, totally based on, it makes sense to me, not anything scientific. I mean, I have sort of, you know,

I've seen books and things on it and read articles on it, but I certainly am not an scientific. I mean, I have sort of, you know, I've seen books and things on it and read articles on it, but I, I certainly am not an expert, but I kind of do think there are different diets that are best for individuals. And I think it's important to find what feels healthy for you. I agree with that. I would, I think what's hard for me to comprehend is when people take blanket tactics and then try to apply it everywhere. And when there's a disregard for evolution, meaning if certain populations or certain peoples evolved eating a specific way, like Mongolia, for example, if you don't have access to certain produce and you're eating a ton of meat, it would be very difficult to go to those people and say, you all have to be vegan now

because their entire ancestry evolved on this diet. And that's where I'm like, okay, we have to kind of look at genetics, evolution, sources, all of the different kinds of people, how this works. You can't just be like, red meat's bad. Don't ever eat it again. Right? Yeah. I tend to agree with that.

Yeah. Besides Henry Rose, which is obvious, your beauty routine in the mornings, in the nights, do you have anything that you do that's routine? The audience is obsessed with routines and rituals. And I don't, I can't do a lot of those acids and things like that because my skin just reacts to everything. It's, it's, it's like I, I, I moisturize. That's kind of it. Simple. Super simple.

Honestly, for me, I find that my skin looks the best when I'm eating well I think the sweating, the elimination of toxins. I think when I see, when my skin is at its best, it's when I'm, you know, doing a lot of steams and doing a lot of saunas. I'm working out. I'm sweating. I'm getting that, you know, for me, it doesn't have a lot to do with products. I love the sauna. I. I love the sauna. I mean, love the sauna. Because we're puffy.

I know. Right? Have you ever tried a cold bath? Not a bath. I've stood under the shower for all of 10 seconds. Okay. That's as far as I've gotten. Well, now you have an ice roller

that you can put in the freezer. I want to do that though. I'm really... You know what? I'm telling you, I do it three times a week. I'm going to show you. How?

I have a protocol. I do two minutes, two minutes, two minutes, and sauna in between. We do about 41 degrees and then you go sauna, cold, sauna.

But you know what's crazy is all these kids right now are sick because they've all been stuck indoors and so a lot of our kids are getting sick going back to all these kids right now are sick because they've all been stuck indoors. And so a lot of kids are getting sick going back to school. We don't get sick because we're doing this protocol between sauna and cold. And the immune system is just like. I mean, I don't.

What now? So the protocol, and this is by a scientist. This is not me. Andrew Huberman. I do two minutes in the cold, 15 minutes in the sauna. Two minutes in the cold, 15 minutes in the sauna. Two minutes and 30 seconds in the cold, in the cold, 15 minutes in the sauna, two minutes in the cold, 15 minutes in the sauna, two minutes and 30 seconds in the cold, end on the cold. And you want to get the shiver effect to melt the brown fat. End on the cold. See, that's what always confuses me. Now, how do you

do the cold? You want the body to warm back up naturally. But where do you fill your bathtub with ice? No, I'm going to show it to you right now while you guys are talking. You have it? You have like a tub? We bought this thing called, it's Blue Cube. I want to give them a good plug because we talk about it all the time and I always yeah Blue Cube baths and what's cool about them is they make them like they're really beautiful products. It's gorgeous. It's like a wood bath. Yeah. Show it to her. And what's great about that product is it keeps it freezing cold the whole time after we refill it has a filter and goes in and out so it's just filtered water over and then what's nice about that like it feels like you're in a running river because the water is

constantly moving and what makes that difficult is when you get in a cold and you're sitting in a bath you've developed this thermal layer that's around your skin so you actually can stay warm but with this the water is moving so it's like being in a river so you're always freezing you're freezing the entire time to do with your kids too and your husband. The way I look at it is it's the hardest thing you're going to do hopefully in the morning and in the day. Do you have a pen? Yeah.

I'm going to write it down. I'm going to hook these guys up with you. They're going to be excited. Blue Cube baths. Because we've been thinking about getting something like this. I think this is the best one. We wanted it outside, right? It's outside.

And we wanted something that looked nice. It's so relaxing when you wake something that looked nice. Yeah. It's so relaxing when you wake up in the morning, you get a little bit of sunlight, you're sitting in that cold plunge. It moves the water like that. It's like doing a line of crack cocaine. I'm not, like you, it is, it is the best high. Two thirty and on.

And on, and 15 minutes in the sauna each one. And if you want to see the protocol, it's by Andrew Huberman. Yeah, if you look up Huberman, hey, Andrew, he has a whole protocol and he has an amazing podcast on this. We actually did one with him too and he gave the whole thing.

But what he basically told me, I was talking to him and he said, if you can get 11 minutes per week, that's all in cold exposure to that degree. So you could break it up three minutes one day through another. And then 57 minutes of sauna a week. You do more, you do less.

That's what's been proven in the scientific journals to actually show health benefits. My agent stays in the cold bath for 10 minutes. That's a really long time. But that's, I mean, that's, that's, you know what that is? That's mental toughness. It's building. That's a good agent. Where's, that's a great agent.

Yeah, he's a good agent. Keep the agent. agent where's that's a great agent he's a good agent but the cold what it's done for me postpartum is that i feel like it's helped me melt a layer of fat that i would not have been able to melt without it when also it really has helped she really has helped and i still have a long way to go but like you really struggled the first time around postpartum really struggled really we talked about it and this time she's kind of... It balances your hormones. It's weird. It's very weird. Anyway, that's my one tip to Michelle. That's my beauty tip.

If you're already doing the sauna, right? Yeah. It's great. Okay. I don't think I could go back without it now. So you would say sauna. Sauna is an important tip for you. The detox, I agree with you.

Okay. You guys? I mean, obviously sleep, all of that, managing your stress, it's all, but, but diet, honestly, diet and exercise, I think are key, key to your beauty regime. The audience is going to go crazy. What's your exercise that you like? Well, depends on how much I've injured myself. I do, I, I do different things. I do weights, important for your bones. And I'll do, I do a lot of interval training.

You know, I'll do the bike. I don't know. I'll kind of mix the bike in. And I'll do. The assault bike or the, or the regular bike? The what?

The assault. You know the one where you're like going like this on the bike? No, no, no, no, no, no. Like a bike. Stationary bike. Stationary bike. Yeah.

Oh my God. I mix it up. I do a lot of walking. I walk a lot. Hiking. I'm going to take a lot of these tips right now, being six months postpartum. Let's do a giveaway for Henry Rose before you go. All you guys have to do is follow, I'm assuming the Instagram's at Henry Rose.

Follow Henry Rose on Instagram and then tell us your favorite part of this episode with michelle on my latest instagram thank you so much for coming where can everyone find you where can they shop and support i am a hundred percent buying every single one of these fragrances i'm putting which one do i need we also have well well first of all you can all of them are genderless so it depends on what you on what category you gravitate toward. I like that kind of more like wood, like cedar. Yeah, you'll like char. Char, okay.

I don't know, a lot of men are liking dark as night. Fog is really beautiful. It's a little bit light. And then some of them mixed together. Like again, char and windows down is a killer combination. We're always trying new things. But we also have other categories we have. Our body cream is, if you're in the water all the time, with that cold water, it makes your skin feel like silk.

We have them with a number of our most popular scents. Char. Look at this one. Feeling dirty? That's cool. Char. Look at this one. Char. Feeling dirty? That's cool. Char. Feeling dirty.

People, I think, are going to be shocked. They're going to be paying attention more what's in their fragrance. I mean. And also, we're in retail. We went into retail this year, which has been huge, huge for us. Where can they shop that?

Well, we're in not every Nordstrom, but we're in Nordstrom. We're in Neiman Marcus. We're in Bergdorf Goodman in New York. We're in Credo across the country. We're very, very excited. Is this weird that I would also use this as a home scent, for instance, like whenever, like, can I spray it on my pillowcase? I was just going to say a lot of, in fact, Smith, which is one of our kind of lighter, sort of fresher ones. It's Apple. A friend of mine, he's got like the whole wardrobe. And that's the other thing is people are really using scent in such a different way now.

It's like a part of their wardrobe. It's like accessorizing, which is really fun. Anyway, when he gets home from work at night, he likes to take a shower and he'll spray Smith on because it's sort of clean and light, and then he'll spray his pillows. So yes, you can. You can spray it on your pillows. Can you make Michael Bostic a hairspray?

Well, that's the, we need a hairspray. You know what? Hair is a tough nut to crack. Oh. Well, listen, when you're ready and you want to shoot to the moon, you let me know. We'll get that hair going

because I'm telling you the people. Hair. You know, you could look at JVN because he has a lot of, his hair products are really nice. He's been on the show. Oh, okay.

Isn't he great? He's a character. I love. Anyway, I really, I've been using his products. I think they're really nice, but I don't know

that he has a hairspray. I don't actually think that he does. I think he does have a hairspray. I know he has a paste. I don't know, but you got to get rid

of that hairspray that you're using because it's going to light something on fire. You know what? I will. This is actually a true story. I intuitively kind of stopped using colognes. I really don't because she got rid of it. Now you have one to use. So now I'm excited again because I have some. I'm going to put this in our guest bedroom. I'm going to put it downstairs. I'm going to put it in our room.

For me, this is... Oh, and we have candles. Oh, good. Oh my god. I could go off on a whole tangent about this. Our candles. Wait, the candles. This is just like a quick note. Candles are really disgusting, huh? What's in candles that people are burning throughout the house?

Actually, I got to tell you, I don't know what's in other people's candles, but the Sand Center candles are taken from the formulations in our EWG verified cradle to cradle certified fragrances. And the thing is, is that a lot of people are so sensitive to fragrance and, and the world is not sensitive to those people. If you, if you're transparent with your ingredients and people, cause then people end up having to be there. I remember a doctor saying to me once I was having some kind of skin reaction and I didn't know what it was and I had never had any issues. And he said, what are you doing different? What are you doing? I don't know. He says, you're going to have to be your own detective. That's all. He's a dermatologist, one of the top dermatologists. He couldn't tell me. He said,

you're going to have to be your own detective. So I, first of all, I thought that was really weird. What do you mean? I have to do this. I just came to you. I'm paying you to tell me what's wrong with me. And people do. And so when you have allergies, it's everywhere. And if you can begin to see the same ingredient in different products that you're reacting to, and then maybe you don't have to abstain from all fragrance. You only have to abstain from the things that have that one ingredient that you're pretty darn sure is the thing you're reacting to. A hundred percent. And I think it's so, it just, you just go slow. You don't do it all at once. Like I just found out, and maybe this is a tip for anyone who's listening, that Aquaphor has something that actually ends up

causing eczema. So there's like a natural aquaphor. It's this brand called Maddie's. The cream you put on the babies. Yes. I mean, we could go on and on, but the point is, is just making little tweaks. I think the candle thing, I think that's great. You guys are doing candles because everyone wants candles in their home, but I don't want all the stuff that comes with them. So I think that's amazing. You're doing candles. I'm shocked you have not been on the Skin Deep database. Oh, well, she'll be there now. Yeah, really.

Thanks for coming on the show. We're going to now move our family into the middle of the woods. I would. I already asked you about getting the telephone poles down, the EMF. Yeah, next time you see me, I'll have a long beard. I'll be wearing some, you know, I'll have some kind of walking stick. We were just told to turn off our phone at night because of the EMF.

I could go on and on. The world is killing me. You can't have your phone by your bed. No, I put it across the room. Michael puts it on his penis. I'm like, don't touch my future babies. Listen, we're taking a break right now. Oh, we're sharing. We're sharing a little bit.

Henry Rose, you guys, go check it out. Can you tell us one more time what you're layering so they can go buy that? Because that's the one that I want. It's char and windows down. Char and windows down. Char and windows down. And I smelled one on someone else that was really nice, too. It was flora carnivora and last light.

Okay. I wrote it down. Michelle, you are so inspirational inspirational you're such an icon our audience is going to go crazy this is such a cool conversation thank you for taking the time I know you're at Michelle Pfeiffer official on Instagram easy to find

everyone go follow her if you're not already thank you thank you so much for having me this was really fun alright Michelle and I are doing a giveaway this is fun guys We are giving away the stacked perfume she's wearing. So we're giving away three chars and three windows down. So three winners will win two of the perfumes each. All you have to do is follow at Henry Rose on Instagram and then tell us your favorite part of this episode with Michelle on my latest Instagram at Lauren

Bostic. Here's the thing too. After this episode, I like harassed her to send me char and windows down because that's what she was wearing when she let Michael smell her. And it smelled so good. And I want to completely make over my perfume collection. So they sent it to me in the mail and I actually stacked char and windows down, put them together on my skin this morning and I'm obsessed. It smells so good. Like honestly, like I'll never go back to normal perfume. This is it. Okay. All right. So all you have to do is follow at Henry Rose on Instagram. And like I said, tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest post. Thank you so much for listening. And I hope you loved this interview with the one, the only, Michelle Pfeiffer.