The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Million Dollar Listing's Josh Flagg & Tracy Tutor On A TSC Roundtable Conversation

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.
Starting point is 00:00:21 I don't even remember the first house. That's how long ago it was. I't even remember the first house. That's how long ago it was. I don't remember the first house. I remember the first time I realized I was 25 years old and I had made half a million dollars and it was my third year in real estate. I was like, holy shit. I can make a lot of money doing this.
Starting point is 00:00:40 The fact that I'm making a half a million dollars a year and everybody else around me is barely making a hundred grand a year. And I didn't, you know, I didn't study. I wasn't a great student. I didn't have like that much luck with the acting thing. So to, you know, be in the business for three years and all of a sudden look at your bank account and go, oh my God, that's when I realized I, you you know I should probably stay with this gig I don't deal well not they would not deal well with me because entitled is the wrong word but I I don't kiss people's asses I like I don't go to that level to make a sale like and I am a salesperson it's like you're supposed to cater to the client I'm not good at that like I I treat them as if they're
Starting point is 00:01:23 equals not that they're above me, which maybe I shouldn't do. But it's just the game. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. That clip was from our guests of the show today, Josh Flagg and Tracy Tudor. We had a lot of fun with these two in the studio. Right now, you just have me on the mic. Lauren is on baby duty. But trust me, this is going to be a short introduction because this is a long episode. We shot the shit with these two
Starting point is 00:01:49 for a while. They flew into Texas, came into the studio, and we had a lot of fun. Obviously, this is Josh's second, maybe third appearance on the show. I feel like he's been on multiple times. Maybe I just run into him so much or we just run into him so much when we're in LA. So always love having him on. And this is our first time meeting Tracy and she was lovely and great and just had a lot of fun with these two, like I said. Look out pretty soon for Lauren and I to start doing some more solos. We're going into the new year. We have a lot of stuff on our mind.
Starting point is 00:02:19 It's obviously been a heavy couple, two years, and we don't really get a chance to do as many solos anymore. As the show has grown, we've had so many great opportunities to have more and more guests on the show, which is phenomenal, but we've kind of gotten away from doing solos, which we love doing. So look out for those. We're going to pepper in a few of them towards the end of the year and then try to get a little bit more consistent with them next year. Not that the guests aren't great. We love the guests, but want to get back to kind of offering our perspective, our advice, current events, past events, topics. So look out for those to happen more frequently. With that, like I said, Josh Flagg, Tracy Tudor, many of you guys may recognize Josh and Tracy for Million Dollar
Starting point is 00:02:54 Listing. I didn't realize personally how long that show has been going and how long Josh has been doing it. It's pretty crazy. He gets into the details and tells us how long that show has been going, but it's wild. I mean, he's got to be one of the OG reality TV stars now that I think about it. He's just been on for forever. And I can see why it's a great show. With that, guys, Josh Flagg, Tracy Tudor. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show.
Starting point is 00:03:18 This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Is that like a celery? That's really dark green. You know how we roll. You've been on here before. We just kind of jump right into it. You know, I was thinking if I ever needed to murder you,
Starting point is 00:03:31 I could just wait around the Beverly Hills Hotel. Every time I come to LA, I find you there. What about the guy last night that tried to murder us in the middle of the night on the street?
Starting point is 00:03:40 Is it annoying to get recognized all the time? And do you guys get recognized together all the time? He's very mean to fans most of the street. Is it annoying to get recognized all the time and do you guys get recognized together all the time? He's very mean to fans most of the time. Like he said on camera because we were filming this.
Starting point is 00:03:54 We have it on camera. He was so sweet and so excited to meet us and Josh said, don't touch me. It's COVID times. Like, what are you doing? Are you using COVID to your advantage though yeah for sure I would have done that normally
Starting point is 00:04:07 so you're not like a toucher or a hugger don't touch me I mean like ask me first okay I touched you coming from a guy
Starting point is 00:04:13 who takes his pants off and tries to rub his penis against my I'm okay let me ask you is that assault if last night I
Starting point is 00:04:20 well we sleep naked together you sleep naked I have all my clothes on. Okay. I'm painting a picture here, but now you're ruining this. Paint the picture. Whatever. How big?
Starting point is 00:04:31 I then started to wrestle her naked. Is that assault or is that like… I found it to be assault. How much would someone have to pay you guys to sleep together? After taxes or before? Oh, he always asks me this question, like how much it would take. I'd do it for like 25 grand. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:04:46 I feel like you should do that for free. I'd do it for like five grand. He would do it for free, it sounds like. I would do it for the story. She doesn't want to sleep naked with you if you would do it for five grand. Yeah. She's feeling really uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:04:59 Let me ask you this. I'm offended. How much would it cost you? That's what I was just thinking. I feel it would be a lot. She's shaved my body before. I have. She's like.
Starting point is 00:05:07 I mean, first of all, I think my biggest challenge with sleeping with you is the fact that you're like so fucking hairy. I'm not that hairy. You're hairy? I don't picture you hairy.
Starting point is 00:05:16 He has the hairiest backside. I don't have any hair on my back. Not on your back. Oh, on my ass. Do you shave your butthole hair? No, I did. She did for me. You shaved it.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Okay, but so your butthole hair is long right now. No. Why don't you do that for me, Lauren? I'm not going to shave your butthole hair. I'll shave your butthole hair. I actually like butthole hair on a man, though. I don't like this shaved top. Not like shaved.
Starting point is 00:05:38 I don't want it to look like a woman. Right. But it's like a lot. Manscaped it. There's a lot going on down there. Yeah. And I see it all the time. Bobby strikes me someone though
Starting point is 00:05:51 that shaves everything. Oh, yeah. He doesn't need to shave because he doesn't really grow that much hair. Okay. I was talking to my friend the other day and this is just like, I mean, this is a total side conversation,
Starting point is 00:06:00 but like I was asking him, I'm like, do I need to be bleaching my butthole? I'll bleach your butthole for you. I'm curious about that too. What do you do? By the way, is that something that is like later in life thing? Like, do people bleach their buttholes when they're young? Or is it because like, I want mine to be pink. Well, he told me he's a very attractive young guy. And he said, it'd be great if you could. And I'm like, so you want me to get my eyebrows tinted,
Starting point is 00:06:26 my makeup done, my hair done, my hair dyed, my body tan. It's like another thing to add to the whole thing to look semi-decent. You should bleach her butthole for her. Yes. Do you want to bleach my butthole to be bleached? I'm always down for experimentation. We'll see what goes.
Starting point is 00:06:43 I mean, I guess it just depends like who's going there. Like if no one's really going there, I don't find it to be necessary. Yeah, I mean, I don't think so. But people are going there. Yeah. With you. No.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Not people, Bobby. He's not going down there. Do you want Bobby's butthole bleached? No, it's a nice. Well, are you the top? Well, it's challenging because we're both tops. When you're married, you're tops. Yeah, I mean, it's a nice... Well, are you the top? Well, it's challenging because we're both tops. When you're married,
Starting point is 00:07:05 you're tops. Yeah, I mean, it's challenging. Don't you wing it a little bit? Wing it? Yeah, I mean, like, as a gay man, if you're a top...
Starting point is 00:07:13 We flip points. Who's going to take it for the team? How do you actually decide that? It's tough. Yeah. Like, if you're married to a top and you're a top,
Starting point is 00:07:21 I would be selfish, I feel like. I'm very selfish. Yeah, I would be like, you know, maybe next time. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. I feel like. I'm very selfish. Yeah, I would be like, you know, maybe next time. Yeah, exactly. I don't know, maybe next time. I just feel like it's easier to be a top.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Yeah, clearly. Well, it seems like less labor. Right? Would you be a top or a bottom? I think I would probably be a top. You'd be a top. Wait, actually, no. The bottom would probably be less labor because you just have to sit there. Well, except for what you have to do like leading up to being a bottom.
Starting point is 00:07:48 There's a lot of work. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You can't like just wing it and like go out on a date and like have a meal. I hope it all turns out okay. There's not a meal.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Like I'd be scared to eat as a bottom. I'd be like the most anorexic bottom. Literally. You couldn't eat anything. No, ever. Think about it. Like,
Starting point is 00:08:10 you'd have to, you know, I mean, don't you guys have to? Do you really want to go there? How much time do you have? 100%. I'm not a bottom,
Starting point is 00:08:18 so I think it's, that's a, But you know, as a gay man. Well, this is taking a turn that I did not expect. Well,
Starting point is 00:08:24 don't you want to know? Like, aren't you curious? I don't know. Kind of. Now I kind of am. I was thinking as
Starting point is 00:08:34 you were saying, like, you couldn't eat. I was like, I would. Then I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, but think about it. It's not like you can
Starting point is 00:08:38 like go to In-N-Out and then like, you know, hook up. Well, it takes a while to digest, doesn't it? I don't know, man. I think people, like, the digestive tract, I don't think like, you just eat a burger and it comes out your ass five seconds later. No, if you're in Mexico and you have, like, monogamous sex.
Starting point is 00:08:51 I don't think you should be having butt sex in Mexico or India. You can't have sex in India. Like, in Mumbai, I don't think that's a great place to have butt sex. I just would be cautious about, like, you know, what I was eating because I'd be nervous like what if we were going to have sex and I was a bottom.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Can we talk more about how we were almost abducted last night? Go ahead. Yeah. Well, Josh, I mean, you dress so low-key that I'm surprised
Starting point is 00:09:17 that anybody recognizes you in your cream turtleneck sweater with a scarf in the middle of Texas. Just so you guys are clear, this is day three of the same outfit. So that's interesting.
Starting point is 00:09:27 So it's day two. And the reason why is because, not because I wear the same clothes, but we left yesterday morning. I picked him up at 545. 545. And I figured, I'm really going to be there for not even 24 hours. It's like 22 hours. So why can't I just wear the same turtleneck twice in a row? Like one day in a row. And then I have to pack. He opened the door at
Starting point is 00:09:51 5 45 AM. You guys, he had a toothbrush, a pair of slippers, a can of hairspray and deodorant. No butthole bleach. No butthole bleach. But think about it. I, this morning when we left, I didn't have to worry about packing up the room. I carried my toothbrush out. All my credit cards and everything. I had to carry all his cards. Everything. And I'm a free man.
Starting point is 00:10:12 Sounds like me and Michael. That's pretty impressive, though. I would imagine that you would have like a whole trunk. No. Oh, yeah. I travel with steamer trunks. Yeah. Like on the Titanic.
Starting point is 00:10:20 When I look at you, I'm like, that's a steamer trunk. He looks high maintenance. Yeah, you do. He's not. Yeah. I think that he's just really well styled and he's like, this is the look. Don't flatter him that much, you guys. He's going to wear the outfit for another day.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Oh, no. Well, you're always put together. So I always imagine that you have a whole arsenal of stuff with you. No, no, no. You know what? My theory on that is when I'm traveling, I don't really need to dress to impress anybody because I'm not going to run into people that I know. So when people travel and take an arsenal of clothing,
Starting point is 00:10:50 I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I could wear the same three things. No one's ever going to find out. But what if you're present on Instagram and Instagram stories? Have you not thought about that? I can't. I've never thought about that before. Tracy, you're not wearing the same thing on Instagram stories
Starting point is 00:11:02 three days in a row. No, no. We can't do that. Yeah. I mean, I don't. I mean, I do pack lots of outfits like when I go to Europe. But I mean, I used to pack maybe like 10 shirts. Now I pack 20 shirts or whatever.
Starting point is 00:11:14 But I didn't used to care as much more. But yes, you're right. Now I care a little bit more. Yeah. Because the Instagram stories don't want to see the same look day after day. Right. Do you know? They need like a little mix.
Starting point is 00:11:24 But guys can get away with that a little easier. Like if you're wearing a t-shirt. Yeah, I'm wearing a t-shirt so no one would know, you know? Michael is so styled out every single day. He is complete opposite of me. I'm more like you. Right. I feel like you guys are more alike.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Where do you shop? It depends. Let him pull out his scroll. He loves shopping way more than me. No, not as much anymore. Not as much anymore. Michael. Not as much anymore. Not as much anymore. I used to like it a lot more.
Starting point is 00:11:49 I feel like you'd wear like a little Aulinui. Do you have anything from Aulinui? No. I'm going to Google it. What is it? What is Aulinui? It looks like what you're wearing right now, that top. They have like, have you seen it?
Starting point is 00:11:59 They have like knits and they have like, like it says Venice Beach across one of them. Another one has like an Indian print another one is like an Aspen-y vibe print I'm super casual out here he dresses for each place he goes
Starting point is 00:12:12 so like if we're going to New York he has like 10 trenches and like leather jackets and then like if we're in LA like he has like
Starting point is 00:12:19 the specific like blazers with like the flannels but then if we're going to Europe it's like you are anal about the way you act
Starting point is 00:12:26 Europe is the white linen pants I really appreciate that well I feel like to be a cultured person you have to embrace the culture I really got an opinion
Starting point is 00:12:35 you know I'm probably not going to show up like this to Hotel Decap right maybe I might well the weather I mean
Starting point is 00:12:43 you wouldn't wear that weather wise it would be too warm so what's your closet like my closet He would never. Well, the weather, I mean, you wouldn't wear that weather-wise. It would be too warm. So what's your closet like? My closet, I just had reorganized. Everything is now, is, we'll see. My outfits, I have a book, right? So I'm lazy.
Starting point is 00:12:56 I don't want to think, what? I don't want to think about what I'm going to wear in the morning. So everything of mine is cataloged. And it goes by summer, winter, travel, cruise. And then I just open up the thing and I go, boop, boop, boop. Oh, I like this outfit. And then I pick it out. Kind of like from Clueless, but not the automated version. Did a stylist do this? Is it on your phone or is it like an actual book? It's an actual booklet in my closet. Did a stylist do it or did you put it together? No, my assistant takes the photos, puts it in like a binder, laminates it, and puts it in the booklet.
Starting point is 00:13:32 That's actually a trait of an extremely successful person. They don't want to think about what they wear in the morning. We do it for dinner parties also. So all of my tablescapes and all the different china patterns, the way the flowers are, the way even there's a seating chart. And so we keep it for every time. So like let's say we have a dinner party. Let's say Candy Spelling is coming over. So ahead of time, we have notes, allergies, what her favorite drink of choice is.
Starting point is 00:13:55 And then we print photographs and give it to the waitstaff ahead of time so that when she walks in the door, hello, Mrs. Spelling, here's your martini. So they have printed photos ahead of time and know who is coming through that door. So if you're the president or if you're just a bomb, like everybody, like you are treated like royalty. Michael has a rock hard boner right now. What the hell? Why have I not been to this dinner party? You guys should get married. You're perfect together.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Yeah. You should see my tablescape at the house now. It's incredible. Does your assistant do that or do you do that? Or do you have like a house person to do that? We had a house manager and she quit the rest of my people
Starting point is 00:14:30 that work in my life. Why is that weird? I mean, working for Josh Flagg is like a whole energy. What are you implying? It's very difficult. So Josh has been
Starting point is 00:14:40 on this podcast before. We had him on with Bobby. You guys have to go back and listen and Nikki Haskell. Right. But Tracy hasn't. No. We had him on with Bobby. You guys have to go back and listen. And Nikki Haskell. Right. But Tracy hasn't. No. We want to get the juice, the backstory on you.
Starting point is 00:14:51 And maybe you can pepper in little things as you guys go on. Keep it honest over there. How long have you guys known each other? Five years? No. Oh, it feels longer to me. When did you go on the show? 15 years.
Starting point is 00:15:03 Four or five years. Huh. How'd you guys get so close so quick? We fucked. Ah. You sleep you go on the show? 15 years. Like four or five years. Huh. How'd you guys get so close so quick? We fucked. Ah. You sleep naked in bed together. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:15:12 I think we just, I don't know. We just kind of fell for each other when we got on the show. Yeah. I want to get a backstory on Tracy. Like, tell me where you grew up, your childhood, what it was like. I want to know all of it. I was born in LA. He was raised in Beverly Hills, and I was raised in the Valley. So I have a little more grit
Starting point is 00:15:27 than this one. It was Hidden Hills. You make it sound like it was like Valencia. It's true. I was raised in Paramount Valencia. But that was before Hidden Hills was like, you know, horse country.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Oh, sorry. It was when the houses were only 10 million, not 20. You forget that I'm like a lot older than you. It was rough back then, huh? It was rough back in the day. Yeah. So I grew up in Hidden Hills, went to USC, was studying theater, wanted to be an actress.
Starting point is 00:15:59 And I was going to move to New York and then realize, oh, shit, like this is L.A. This is where pilots are made. I need to stay in L., shit, like this is L.A. This is where pilots are made. I need to stay in L.A. So I stayed in L.A. I waited tables. I did what I could to sort of make it work. And then I realized pretty quickly that I, you know, wasn't going to wait to make money and wait for someone to discover me and be like an actress. And so I decided to get into real estate because I figured, fuck, I know so many people. I grew up here. Like I know rich people. Like I should be able to sell
Starting point is 00:16:28 a house. It doesn't require a degree. I can get this done. So I started in real estate when I was like 22, 23 years old, quit acting. And, you know, 20 years later. What was your first house that you sold? And was it like a big deal or was it not that big of a deal? I don't even remember the first house. That's how long ago it was. I don't remember the first house. I remember the first like first time I realized like I was 25 years old and I had made like half a million dollars and it was like my third year in real estate. I was like, holy shit, I can make a lot of money doing this. The fact that I'm making a half a million dollars a year and everybody else around me is, you know, barely making a hundred grand a year. And I didn't, you know, I didn't study. I wasn't a great student. I didn't have like, you know, that much luck with the acting thing. So
Starting point is 00:17:17 to, you know, be in the business for three years and all of a sudden look at your bank account and go, oh my God, that's when I realized I, you know, I should probably stay with this gig. You seem like you're, to me, a really driven, ambitious person. I am. I mean, I grew up, you know, my dad's Armenian. And so he he was born here, but obviously his family was not. And so he grew up in Van Nuys in the Valley and was like a total hood rat. All of his friends went to jail, but he was smart. And he ended up joining the army, was there for four years, and then came out of the army and went to USC, started in the engineering school and couldn't hack it. And so went into business school. And afterwards, my grandfather had a little construction company where they were building like gas stations and mini malls and stuff like that,
Starting point is 00:18:09 making ends meet, doing fine, but not great. And my dad joined, you know, his company and then built it into the massive construction company that it is today. And they build things like bridges, tunnels, Vegas airports, and things of that nature. But because of that, he had this grit and this sort of appreciation. He didn't come from anything. So he always taught me to have that. So I got my first job when I was 15 years old selling suits in the mall. And that was the first time I figured out what commission was.
Starting point is 00:18:43 And so while everybody else was like working at like Wet Seal and like taking home like the cute girl clothes and stuff, I was like slinging suits and making like an extra 150 bucks a week. If I sold five suits, I made like an extra however commission. And that's when I was like, I really like this gig. So you're very entrepreneurial. Yeah. Listen up.
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Starting point is 00:21:33 That's a pretty impressive stat. 1% does 99% of the business. There's like 10 of us that do the majority of the business. There's probably like 30 top agents, but there's like a good solid 10. And so for the other 99%, what are they mostly doing? They're in the Valley. I think that you can make great money. And if you look around the country, obviously, we're in like a very typical high-end luxury market.
Starting point is 00:22:01 You know, New York, LA, Miami, Texas, things like that. But in the rest of the country, you can make a very good living selling real estate. I think the biggest misconception about our job is that, you know, you can make your own schedule and like people are like, oh, I can be like a new mom and be a real estate agent and just kind of like make some extra money. It's like the hardest gig there is. Like you work non-stop.
Starting point is 00:22:26 You're constantly having to like entertain two clients, right? Like the buyer and the seller. Two? Maybe more. Well, I mean,
Starting point is 00:22:33 finally when you're actually like going into an escrow in a place. You're dealing with like. No, I mean, we're always entertaining. It just never stops.
Starting point is 00:22:40 You know, I mean, if you think about it, when you're selling your house, it's like the biggest asset that you have. So you're like, there is no time. I'm going to call my agent at nine o'clock at night because I'm freaking out about the millions of dollars that are at stake.
Starting point is 00:22:54 I can't stay on the phone. I wouldn't be good, huh? He's on the phone. I can't stay on the phone. When someone calls me, I find it to be so intrusive. Like, I think it is so rude. Like, you think that you're just going to call me and I'm going to pick up my phone in the middle of the day.
Starting point is 00:23:13 It feels invasive. I would like you to have that conversation with my mom. Yeah, there's some damage there. There's a little bit. Did you get in a fight with a telephone once? No, I just think that what you're asking from someone is time. You're asking for someone to drop everything that you're currently doing. you're asking from someone is time. You're asking for someone to drop everything that you're currently doing. That's what the phone is for.
Starting point is 00:23:29 But if it's not, I hear you. It has to be scheduled. I like to schedule calls because I can't be expected in the midst of like right now, if a client called, I can't pick up the phone. So you have to pick it up. But you always pick it up. I mean, honest to God, the last 24 hours he is. But I,
Starting point is 00:23:46 but it's not my fault that these people like I have staff that is calling me. I think what am I supposed to do? He enjoys talking on the phone. No, then you don't know me. I hate it. That's all you did yesterday. Because of my assistants calling me,
Starting point is 00:23:58 having 45 minute conversations about what am I supposed to do? No, you can't do a 45 minute conversation though. They have to be more efficient. He's not efficient. I do voice notes. Yes, you can't do a 45-minute assistant conversation. No, they have to be more efficient. He's not efficient. I do voice notes. Yes, you do. I know that
Starting point is 00:24:08 because I've seen your voice notes by text. No, it's not efficient. Yes, it is. I say, hey, blah, blah, blah. I don't listen to your voice notes. This is what I need to get done today. That's why it's not efficient
Starting point is 00:24:16 because you don't listen to them. Thank you. No, that's even worse. You expect someone to sit there and listen to your voice note? 100%. Yeah, nobody listens. I delete all your voice notes.
Starting point is 00:24:25 That is really rude. I've sent you some really great ones. I literally see them and I just... It's way easier. Why don't you just voice and have it come through as text? That's what I do.
Starting point is 00:24:35 I only do that. I just voice record it but it comes out in a text. Yeah, but then words get spelled wrong. All the time. The other day I wrote accidentally I want to fuck you, Rabbi. I did. It came day I wrote accidentally, I want to fuck you, Rabbi. I did.
Starting point is 00:24:47 It came out accidentally. I said, I want to fuck you, Rabbi. What were you trying to say? I was trying to say, hey, I don't remember what I was trying to say. It was something, but it was not, I want to fuck you, Rabbi. Might have been. You could have been. You never know.
Starting point is 00:25:00 I'm telling you. I don't ever read what comes out on my thing. Yeah. See, that's the problem. With voice notes, you can't mess it up. Right. So how much does the show help you get in position to do what you both do? Or is it like you're doing that before and then the show just amplifies what you've already
Starting point is 00:25:15 been doing? The latter. The latter. Yeah. And so, okay. Someone like me say, I want to come in. I'm like, hey, I want to break into the luxury real estate market in LA. What does it actually take to do that?
Starting point is 00:25:24 Is it impossible? You have to just know people or is it like, you can actually like, what is it? What are the traits? Cause I think people will listen to this and they'll look at both of you and be like, Oh, I want to follow that path. I think you have to be charismatic. I think, you know, when you're in sales and whether it's real estate, advertising, whatever it is, sales is the type of thing where people have to be drawn to you. You have to have charisma. You have to have like a certain amount of authenticity where people trust you because you're handling, you know, the biggest thing that,
Starting point is 00:25:53 the biggest asset that they have. And obviously you have to know what you're doing. What's a client that you guys have stepped away from that had a shitload of money to spend and they were going to buy a huge house, but you just couldn't deal with them. I had one on the show last season. Oh God, that piece. Oh, he was such a fucking asshole. His name is Scott Gillen. Scott Gillen, everyone. Yeah. Tell us what you
Starting point is 00:26:19 think about him, Tracy. I can't stand that man. Half a billion in real estate. I managed his portfolio for a year. Didn't sell a single thing because the half a billion in real estate was probably worth more like a hundred million. He was very high on himself and his ability. Sounds leverage to me. Yeah. He's a delight. He's a real delight. Anyway, he was so condescending. So the ego was out of control. And finally, he made my staff cry. He made my business partner cry. He threw chairs across the room.
Starting point is 00:26:55 He was really unfortunate. And I finally got to the place where I was like, there isn't a check that you could write for me to stay in this dynamic. So then I took him as a client. No, you didn't. No, he didn't. I'm kidding. How would that have gone over
Starting point is 00:27:09 if you had taken him as a client? Would you have fired him? There's no way. I would never. No, I don't deal well. They would not deal well with me because entitled is the wrong word, but I don't kiss people's asses.
Starting point is 00:27:23 I don't go to that level to make a sale. And I am a salesperson. It's like you're supposed to cater to the client. I'm not good at that. I treat them as if they're equals, not that they're above me, which maybe I shouldn't do, but it's just the game.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Yeah, but then you kind of remind me of the girl in high school that was like, I'm too busy for you. Leave me alone. I don't want to date you. And then the guy's more intrigued. Michael. But like you remind me of like someone who is like constantly trying to play hard to get.
Starting point is 00:27:55 So the person like tries to like. I'm not trying. I don't know. It's just like. You are hard to get maybe is the right word. I don't think so. I'm maybe I'm just not as. I don't know. You are hard to get. Maybe it's the right word. I don't think so. I'm I'm I maybe I'm just not as I don't know. You're aloof.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Aloof, maybe. No, I'm personable. You're personable, but aloof. He's just so eccentric that is I think is like the only word for you, because the fact that you're like sometimes I think he's like 20 years my senior. And I remember that he's not like 10 years younger than me. And he's just a different, like you have an old soul. He's not a typical guy by any stretch of the word.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Most of his friends are past 70. I mean, I'm young. I appreciate that. I love older people too. I appreciate that. I just have a lot more in common. I have a lot more to talk about. Well, he's almost uncomfortable with people that are younger. Yeah, it's weird. I don't know why. He just
Starting point is 00:28:52 doesn't relate. Well, you were very close to your grandma. Yeah, I mean, that's not why. Maybe that's part of it. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe that's like the appeal. It just really to you know, I don't know. I just have more things to talk about. I don't know. I just have more things to talk about. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Yeah. So I want to go back to when you had a kid. How did you do that with real estate? If you're building this massive empire, like how did you manage that? Because I'm having an issue with it right now. I constantly feel guilty. And I don't have any answers or tips. Yeah, I wish I had the answers. I don't have any answers or tips yeah I wish I had the answers I don't it was tough I wasn't at
Starting point is 00:29:27 the time I was 30 when I had my daughter my first daughter and I'd been married for two years and I was selling real estate and doing well but it was still not I wasn't at the level where I was like this is gonna be really big. And so I actually took most of the first year off. I think I sold like a couple houses, you know, by default and then got back into it again. But where it got even harder is when the school kicked in because that's when like that competitiveness and all the mommies are like, and now I know better. And so if I had, if you're going into that mode soon, that's when you really need to protect yourself because it's so easy to get sucked into like being, you know, PTA mom.
Starting point is 00:30:23 No, I wouldn't do all that. Just being involved and like being there and showing up to school. And, you know, the truth is when you're a working mom and candidly for me, you know, once I got divorced, a single mom and working, I had no option. And I remember feeling so fucking guilty all the time because I couldn't do any of those things. And so I finally called the head of the school. This is a couple of years. This is probably three or four years ago. And my daughter was in fifth or sixth grade at the time. And I just said to her, I go, I can't, I can't do this anymore. I can't feel guilty about it. I'm done. I'm working too hard. And you guys send emails on a weekly basis about, you know, joining, participating. We'd love to have you, you know? And I said,
Starting point is 00:31:11 it just makes me feel worse. So take me off the fucking list. Why don't you just push unsubscribe? Because they're personal emails from like the teachers and they want you to be involved in, particularly when the kids are younger. Now my daughters are in like these little, you know, they're, they're in upper school. So they're like little mini feminists and you're not even allowed to go to school. And I'm like, you know, praise the Lord. But, you know, when they're in elementary school, there's this expectation and you suck as a parent, particularly as a mother, less as a dad, if you're not at every single game, showing up and doing like the Halloween tour and
Starting point is 00:31:43 like whatever the hell is happening. It's weekly. And I couldn't be a part of any of it. It made me feel like shit for so many years. And then finally, the head of school was like, come in. You're a mess. And I said, yeah, I am. And I said, you guys got to stop this. She goes, you need to stop. You need to let it go. Forgive yourself and do you. Your kids are fine. They're doing great. And let go of the pressure that you feel. And I was like, okay. And she gave me permission to do that. And so it's, it was, you know, who doesn't give you permission to do that though I feel like. And this is just, this is an observation. I have no idea because my daughter's
Starting point is 00:32:19 two. It seems like the other mothers are the worst. I, I, I didn't do the mom group thing or anything. And not that there's anything wrong with that. If you want to do that, great. But it seems like it's so competitive. And it seems like they're almost there for each other. Not even for the kids. It's like the bar mitzvah when you have like bar mitzvahs for your children. And it's really a party for the parents.
Starting point is 00:32:40 Right. To show off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that dynamic to me seems even more rough. Like when you start doing like the application process for preschools and, and you start going through that whole thing.
Starting point is 00:32:52 And in LA it was awful. But, you know, it's like, what do you mean? What am I like? They haven't achieved anything yet. What do you want me to talk about? She walks, she talks and she's cute as shit. Like let her in, you know? And it becomes this like competitive thing of what the parents are going to bring to the table. And the truth is no one gives a shit. No one looks back and goes that
Starting point is 00:33:15 was mother of the year. She was at the preschool every day delivering donuts or whatever. Like it means nothing in the grand scheme of things. But I think the women actually put so much pressure on themselves to perform at that level. And it's, it adds up to nothing. Might as well just embrace that
Starting point is 00:33:34 when we get to that stage, like we're, it's not going to go well for us. No, I'm going to send you. It's just not going to go well for us. I'm going to send you. You'll be fine for me to send. The holidays are approaching.
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Starting point is 00:35:43 and start feeling better every day today. I'm going to roll up, be part of the PTA. Yeah, bleach your butthole. Let them all put their finger in it. I don't care. Just don't let it be me. I mean, when I was a kid, I didn't have any of this stuff. I was lucky if my parents picked me up from the principal's office. I think the most powerful thing you can do too, especially for a daughter, is show you, like what you've shown your daughters by example
Starting point is 00:36:10 is incredible. Like they couldn't have a better role model. I don't, you know what's so funny is I look at my girls every day and I'm like, how did they turn out so good?
Starting point is 00:36:21 Like I was sort of like the wild child. Like when I was in high school, I smoked pot. I, you know, I tried, you name it. I did it. I like, I made it through and I always got decent grades and I never really fully fell off the wagon, went to a good college, yada, yada. But I definitely had my fair share of experimentation and life. And I have these two great girls that are really independent. Like they are in control of their education. I don't helicopter parent them. And, and I've always sort of gone left of
Starting point is 00:36:54 center, you know, which I was judged for by moms, like the whole time I was raising them and I'm still raising them. But I think the, like the the proof is in the pudding. I have these two incredibly independent young females who are awesome. And I think it has a little bit to do with the fact that I've let them make mistakes. I don't hover over them. And they have watched me live my completely authentic and truth. So I think because of that, they're independent, strong little women. They don't like me. Yeah, I think the kids that go through school
Starting point is 00:37:33 in this like kind of cookie cutter, picture perfect, best grades, never step out of line, never get in trouble. Like they're the ones that actually have trouble later in life because they realize the world's not this structured, simple, formulaic place, right? You get in the real world and it's tough and there's challenges and there's things
Starting point is 00:37:47 that happen that you can't expect. And so if you're not used to dealing with a little bit of chaos as a kid and then you come into that world, you don't know how to handle it. Totally. Too bad you and I weren't raising kids at the same time because we would have made each other feel less guilty by just doing whatever the fuck we wanted. Why don't the girls like you? Well, first of all, I just learned yesterday that their names weren't Charlotte and Denise. What? He's so full of shit.
Starting point is 00:38:11 But he lives to... What are their names again? I'm not sure that you're meant for children. I'm not sure either. We'll see. Like, Bobby is meant to parent, so you might have to give in on this one. Bobby's for sure meant for parenting. Yeah, he's going to be a great, great parent.
Starting point is 00:38:28 You don't want kids, Josh? No, it's not that I don't want kids. I just really don't want that right now. I think I'm too young to have a kid. How old are you? 36. No, you're a good age now. How old are you?
Starting point is 00:38:37 Oh, Michael's going to get judgy on you. How do you know what a good age is? No, I think it's a good age. I think he's going to get more stuck in his ways the longer he goes. My idea is like you don't want to be the guy that's like
Starting point is 00:38:51 huffing and puffing to keep up, right? You don't want to be like I don't most of my friends don't have kids yet. You're projecting your narrative onto Josh. No, no.
Starting point is 00:38:58 I think you guys would be good parents. I think you'd be surprised and I think it would add a little bit of like a You secretly want someone that you can bring to Hotel DuCap
Starting point is 00:39:06 and put in a little tube and take Instagram photos. No, that's absolutely what I do not want is I would like to go to Hotel DuCap and not have to deal with that shit.
Starting point is 00:39:15 So we... You'll have a nanny. The last time we were there, we brought our child and it was a mess because we didn't have any help. We thought... We thought...
Starting point is 00:39:22 We thought we could just go. We can go to France. I can just be like hands-on mom. It'll be fine. We thought, we thought, oh, we can go to France. I can just be like hands-on mom. It'll be fine. We don't need a nanny. Holy fucking shit. It was, she was running around the hotel naked. You'll appreciate this. Oh my God. It was not. We were, um, we would separate sometimes. I got to go to the gym or she would go to the gym. Like, you know, we'd have to wait because one of us have to stay with the kid. We were just beat down coming back. It's like the most relaxing place in the world and we were just beat.
Starting point is 00:39:49 And I was walking back and I just heard this kid screaming bloody murder. And I got on my high horse. I'm like, God, somebody's got to get their fucking kid under control. This is a nice place. I turn the corner and I see my daughter butt naked screaming bloody murder. Lauren's laying on the bed like this. I'm like, I'm not doing it. I said, oh shit, it's my kid. I just give up.
Starting point is 00:40:06 I give up. And you want me to have a child? No, the point of the story is that for you to go to your hotel du cap, you need to have a nanny. But you'll have your like staff, I feel like. At the hotel du cap, I'm just going to bring the staff with me to the hotel du cap? Yeah, put them in another room. Right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:23 I feel like you would be a good parent, but it requires a little selflessness, which might be tough. Yeah. Why don't your girls like him? Because he picks on them. You know, he knows their names.
Starting point is 00:40:37 Denise and Charlotte? He ignores them. I think it's a tactic. He, of course, 1,000%. Like, it's his MO. It's his whole spiel. What's a tactic he of course 1000% like it's his MO it's his whole spiel what's the tactic
Starting point is 00:40:47 what am I gaining the tactic is is that you act aloof and ignore and then people lean in Juliet leans in
Starting point is 00:40:55 and says things like he's an asshole but he kind of likes it he does he is inspired by like a response whether it's negative or positive. If he's getting a reaction, it works. Like he walks into the house.
Starting point is 00:41:11 He will walk by my two kids, go to the refrigerator, open it up and be like, Miriam, like I need a sandwich. Miriam makes great tuna, by the way. I'm the one who's the one who makes the Armenian tuna. Well, there's the Armenian one with the oil by the way. She does make great tuna. I'm the one who taught her how to make the tuna. Who's the one who makes the Armenian tuna? Well, there's the Armenian tuna. The one with the oil and the olives? Yeah. I like that one. That's the Mediterranean tuna.
Starting point is 00:41:30 I got mad at Miriam the other day. She didn't make the one with the mayonnaise. No, is Miriam like a house manager? She's my housekeeper. A housekeeper. Yes. So does that entail watching the girls too? No, I have a nanny that deals with the girls.
Starting point is 00:41:43 I swear to God, it's so interesting to me, both of your staffs, like how you structure it. If I didn't have like a full-time housekeeper and nanny, I wouldn't survive. So is the housekeeper there every day? Every single day. Seven days a week? No, no, sorry. During the week. During the week. And is the nanny there when five days a week? Yes. And then is there anyone else on staff? Assistant? I just hired a personal assistant for the first time. And I'm like, I don't know what to tell you to do.
Starting point is 00:42:11 I feel like you're so busy. Yeah. Who books your calendar and everything? I'm very in control of my calendar. Oh, I'm so opposite. Like I have my calendar color coded down to like, like I said,
Starting point is 00:42:22 like I schedule a call. So do I. If the call is never, like if someone schedules my call for me and it says 30 minutes, I get pissed off and then I shorten it to 15.
Starting point is 00:42:32 Always. Because why does the call need to be 30 minutes? It's taking up an extra 15 minutes of my free time. I do the exact same thing. I got it down to 10 minutes now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:40 Sometimes. You know, it's funny. I tell people like, Is that a flex? Doing this podcast has taught me how much time people- You can cover so much ground in 45 minutes to an hour. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:49 A call never needs to be 30 minutes. But why do you have to schedule the amount of time? I just like, here's a call. I put it in the- Because my day of calls is Wednesday. No, Josh. This is why you're getting stuck for 45 minutes. I have to have hard stops.
Starting point is 00:43:01 But I would just say that I can control the conversation. I don't say it ahead of time to the person I'm going to have a call with. We're going to be talking for 45 minutes. We talk and then I get up. Well, but that's why you're an ineffective communicator. But how do people not go? People go on and on and on. I get.
Starting point is 00:43:15 So does he though. But what, you allocate a time ahead of time to them and say, you have this amount of time to talk to me? I got it. No. Yeah. I just, I get to the fucking point. Yeah. I just get to that.
Starting point is 00:43:24 And like, it's one, sometimes they, maybe that's why I, a lot of times I will part not amicably with clients because I don't appease them. Like if she's shut the fuck up about talking about the pipe in your house for 45 minutes and I'll just, or what was the other day? This woman is like, oh, we're talking about her house,
Starting point is 00:43:40 which it looks like dog shit. And we're talking about how, why it hasn't sold yet. And I keep saying, we need to reduce the price. And I give them, oh no, we can't reduce the price, but how do we get more people here? What do we do? Can we advertise more? Should we, should we have another open house? There's been 16 already. And I'm just like, I don't know what to tell you. Your house is overpriced. And then I'm thinking to myself, it doesn't look so much. She's like, you wonder why people fire you? Like, it's like, I don't have the patience. I almost fired you.
Starting point is 00:44:05 So you, so the house that you're in on the show, Josh sold you. I'm in a rental right now. The house that I am now gutting and almost done with is the house that he sold me. And then tell us about what happened that I saw on Instagram where he gave you the keys. Yeah, tell us that.
Starting point is 00:44:24 That was a really sweet moment. It was, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. Like the most he gave you the keys. Yeah, tell us that. That was a really sweet moment. It was, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. Like the most favorite moment of the season. Yeah, that was really, really cute. Tell us about that. So we genuinely, I was pushing myself probably beyond my budget.
Starting point is 00:44:37 I really wanted to spend like seven and a half million max if I was going to do any work to a house. You know, I had just sold my house two years ago. I put aside some money and that was like my budget. And I pushed for this house because I wanted to remain in the flats for my girls. And I was like, okay, I'd rather take something a little smaller and on a littler lot than, and be in this neighborhood than whatever. He showed me the house and I just, I mean, we really negotiated for a long time. Obviously the show, you know, tightened it up a little bit and we got to a point where we were still a couple hundred thousand dollars apart and I couldn't do any more and
Starting point is 00:45:19 he couldn't push his clients to take any less. So I thought it was a dead deal. And, you know, then he came to me, and obviously you guys saw that on the show, and I really had moved on. Like, I thought it was over, and then he surprised me and had given up his commission to make it happen. It was very cute. That's pretty sweet. It was very sweet. Granted, he makes plenty of money. So, you know, lucky for him. It didn't really dent his style.
Starting point is 00:45:49 You could have just stopped like a sentence ago. But, no, but it was, it was the cutest thing. It was the nicest thing anyone's done for me. So you surprised her
Starting point is 00:45:58 on the show with the keys and told her I gave up my commission. Yeah. That's cute. I thought so. See, I think you have
Starting point is 00:46:04 a very warm heart. Yeah, you're cute. I thought so. See, I think you have a very warm heart. Yeah, you're a softie, Josh. I do. He's like an angel. I think people think I'm very unrelatable or you can't, you know, whatever, but that's not true. Actually, I don't think,
Starting point is 00:46:19 I think I'm more even warm and funny and I joke around with people. Yeah, you are. Yeah. But you're just, you know, you're guarded until you really let someone in. But when he lets you in, he's like, you know, the most gentle, sweet. Is that like Lisa Vanderpump guarded? Like, is that like an English?
Starting point is 00:46:38 No, not like that. I just don't think that you like necessarily. Right. You know, you're very like. There's a veneer. Right. Yeah. Just so your house manager knows, I like a skinny margarita with a half room of salt
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Starting point is 00:49:18 Bobby entertaining on Instagram is, I love it. Wait, who's a guarded person on TV so I can relate and I can figure out? A guarded person on TV. That I would know. Who's a... Which housewife is guarded? Not a lot. I would say probably Lisa Vanderpump. Yeah, Lisa Vanderpump. Interesting. But like, I'm the same way.
Starting point is 00:49:35 I love her energy. By the way, as a person, she's the sweetest. Yeah, no, I get along with Lisa. We had a fight once, but... She was mad at you? You have to give us the juice. She was mad., I get along with Lisa. Yeah. We had a fight once, but. She was mad at you. You have to give us the juice. Why was she mad?
Starting point is 00:49:46 She was mad. We talked. She brought it up to me. I did her podcast with her and I was at her house and she was talking shit about you because she said that you were mean to her, but that you apologized and sent flowers.
Starting point is 00:49:57 And so she forgave you. Why were you mean? I can't like, I don't see the side of you. It wasn't mean. I was. I had one too many cocktails and I think I said to her, I said, why are you such a cunt?
Starting point is 00:50:11 Oh, God. I can't imagine why that didn't land. Wait, hold on. I thought it was funny. Are you at the Beverly Hills Hotel when you say this? Probably. No, that's even worse. It was in her own restaurant. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:50:26 So do you walk up to her and you just ask her that sentence or was it like- It was like I was trying to be playful and I guess that word never comes out playful. I was just like, she's very aloof, like very like, I guess what I am, like very like, you know, and so I was like, come on, why are you such a cunt? It didn't land well. How were the flowers? Were they really pretty? I don't remember.
Starting point is 00:50:46 They had to be pretty nice for her. I don't remember. But I wish I still had the message on the machine. It was so... This is Lisa Vanderbilt. I did receive your flowers. And I do want to let you know that I do accept your... Wait.
Starting point is 00:50:58 I do accept your apology. You were wrong. Goodbye. Something to that effect. Have you seen her since? Yeah, I'm fine with her. I love it. That's such a Hollywood story. Goodbye. Something to that effect. Have you seen her since? Yeah, I'm fine with her. I love it. That's such a Hollywood story. Right. Speaking
Starting point is 00:51:09 of Hollywood stories, I have to ask you and Sonia. How do you guys not have your own show? What is happening? Your dynamic with the IV mug that's as big as your head in your bed.
Starting point is 00:51:25 What? Yeah, there was like a story she's drinking out of her like her ivy bowl. I mean, I don't even remember what that, what it is, but I mean,
Starting point is 00:51:34 she's always, I mean, whenever she comes over, she's just like, that woman, you just gotta have, She's exhausting. She's exhausting.
Starting point is 00:51:40 Is it her real personality? She came over a thousand percent. He texted me and he goes, I'm coming over with Sonia. And I was like, oh my God, I can't wait. Like, I'm so excited. Have you met her before? No.
Starting point is 00:51:53 To see this woman in like person and deal with it. We had just left a child's, what do you call it? Like when you go on a bouncy thing when there's balls everywhere or whatever. But we didn't know the people. We saw they were having, we were walking on our street and we didn't know the people. We saw it was like balloons, like a kid birthday party. Thing when there's balls everywhere or whatever. Like a bouncy house. But we didn't know the people. We saw they were having, we were walking on our street and we didn't know the people.
Starting point is 00:52:07 We saw it was like balloons, like a kid's party. And we decided. No, you knew them, no? No, we didn't know the people. Oh my God. I forgot to tell you that part. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:17 So they were on our street and we just kind of like, and the people that kind of knew us from the show were like, can we come in? And there was a bunch of moms. And then we just went into the bouncy thing and we were playing for an hour. She was definitely buzzed.
Starting point is 00:52:28 Wait, how did you and Sony get connected in the first place? We met at a glory hole. What's a glory hole? Isn't that a bar with... You've never heard of a glory hole? Look at the 70s. It's like where a dude would stick his dick through a hole
Starting point is 00:52:43 and then there would be another dude on the other side they have one of those in West Hollywood don't even lie those aren't just from the 70s I know all the juice there's a glory hole in West Hollywood
Starting point is 00:52:50 where you go and there's guys behind where is this? I'll get you the address no it's okay thank you wait do they like
Starting point is 00:52:59 and you blow the dick or you you blow the dick you stick it in your ass or whatever can you? But it's mainly for guys. Like, I think it's a gay-
Starting point is 00:53:09 It's definitely not for women. I mean, I don't really frequent them that often. I just thought I- Next time I see you all, we'll run into each other at the glory hole. At the glory hole, for sure. Instead of the Beverly Hills. Yeah, absolutely. So you and Sonia met at a glory hole.
Starting point is 00:53:19 Absolutely. Where'd you really meet? We met- I don't remember where we met. It was so long ago. I mean, she's- I don't know why we get along so well. She's a fucking wacko. Why is she exhausting?
Starting point is 00:53:30 Oh my God. She's just, it's the Sonia show. You know, when you're in a room with like an actress that just like sucks the air out of the room, that's kind of Sonia, but in a funny way, not in like a negative way. She's high energy. She's high energy. She's high energy.
Starting point is 00:53:47 She's like, like she came over to my house. She was clearly buzzed. I got out a cheese plate. She devoured the entire, like it was like everywhere. And she was just like, I just,
Starting point is 00:53:59 we just sat there like sort of in awe. Like it's, she really does, like, demand that. She's high energy. But do you think she was like that before the show?
Starting point is 00:54:10 For sure. Yes. Absolutely. I feel like she's 100% authentically that human. My favorite Sonia-ism is when she was on the show and she said that her pussy was fat.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Fat? Yeah. And she said, I have a fat, chubby pussy. That's... She says it on the show. I've seen her pussy a million times. Is her pussy fat? Yeah. And she said, I have a fat, chubby pussy. That's, she says it on the show. I've seen her pussy a million times. Is her pussy fat?
Starting point is 00:54:29 I don't know how to relate it. Like, what is a fat pussy versus a thin pussy? I don't know. I feel like you know a fat pussy when you see one. Like,
Starting point is 00:54:34 it's just fat. I don't think it's fat. I don't know. It's a, maybe wrong guy to ask. He's not like a pussy connoisseur. I don't know. I'm not a connoisseur of pussy,
Starting point is 00:54:42 but it seemed like a normal pussy. It was a nice pussy, I think. I'm dead right now. I think it was a normal pussy. I'm not a connoisseur of pussy, but it seemed like a normal pussy. It was a nice pussy, I think. I'm dead right now. I think it was a nice pussy. I feel like she probably does not have a fat pussy. It was a nice pussy. I bet you she has a great pussy. It was a nice pussy.
Starting point is 00:54:55 I've seen it quite a few times. It was a nice pussy. So when she stays over, does she leave? No. That's why I've seen her pussy so many times. She just moves in. Well, I've seen your penis. A billion times. How is it? It's just, well, I've seen her pussy so many times. She just moves in. Well, I've seen your penis. A billion times.
Starting point is 00:55:06 How is it? It's just… Well, I've never seen it hard. I've only seen it flaccid. Oh, you don't even get it hard for her? No. She has to look at a limp wiener. I just look flopping around in her face.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Always. Always, Nate. To the point where I don't even look at it anymore. Michael at least gives me a little bit of chub. Like a chub. A little bit, yeah. Oh, I'll just walk into her house
Starting point is 00:55:25 and drop my pants. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. Yeah, flaccid as ever. It's really unfortunate. You have to look at that thing. It's to the point
Starting point is 00:55:33 like he was naked all morning. He was naked last night. Like I have video of him standing behind me naked while I'm trying to get ready. How about when I wrestled
Starting point is 00:55:42 you naked yesterday? Like I literally grabbed her head between my legs, like my balls in her face. Oh my God, Tracy. In bed yesterday. I don't know why I tolerated it. Speaking of balls, you are dating a very good looking hot man. Oh, he's cute. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:58 Tell us about how that started. Do him and Josh get along? What's the dynamic? What is the dynamic? Well. I just don't get along? What's the dynamic? What is the dynamic? Well, I just don't get along with my kids. Yeah. Anyone under the age of 30 is too young for him.
Starting point is 00:56:11 Too young. Well, he's under 30. Yeah, that's true. I think it's almost been two years now. I can't believe it, but like we're approaching like almost a two-year mark of seeing each other, which is wild. I'm intrigued by this.
Starting point is 00:56:26 How do you guys do so well in your careers? And you're a mother, and you guys have got a lot going on, and film a reality show. How much work is that? How do you fit this into your schedule? The thing about our show is we film... It is exhausting.
Starting point is 00:56:42 But we film like 10 to 12 months out of the year where a lot of reality shows are shot in like a three-month period. Right. And then it's over. Got it. We're following real sales, real stories. And so that part of it takes a long time. So it's less hours per week.
Starting point is 00:57:00 I'd say we probably on average shoot like twice a week for six hours. Yeah, sometimes more than that. The interviews take a long time. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But we could also sit and be interviewed for when we're sitting there in the chair and talking on the show, like we're giving our dialogue. That could be four hours easily.
Starting point is 00:57:20 And then they cut that down to what, five minutes or so? No, they use it throughout the story. It's not like for one episode I mean well I mean sure I mean they would probably film 60 hours
Starting point is 00:57:29 and it's cut down to like or much more than that is it hard to watch yourself on TV are you like fuck I shouldn't have worn that or that makeup
Starting point is 00:57:37 I don't like that I feel like it's harder for women because like you have off makeup for hair days and maybe you thought it looked good at the time
Starting point is 00:57:47 and then you have to see it, like particularly with the interview stuff because they make you wear the same thing over and over. So like once you're like nailed into a look, I begged them. I was like, can we please, because the guys wear one interview look for the whole season.
Starting point is 00:58:00 I was like, can we please, like I need to change. I can't wear this fucking shirt for one more, like, it's a year of a shirt. That stupid shirt.
Starting point is 00:58:12 No, I sold, I sold the shirt to a fan. Really? No, I sent it to them and didn't sell it.
Starting point is 00:58:19 But like, I give away that. You totally sold that shirt. I never want anything to do with those clothes ever again. Because they're just so, it's like Josh wearing the same thing five days in a row.
Starting point is 00:58:29 It's gone from two to five now. No, but like that would drive me nuts to have to wear the same thing in your hair and makeup has to look the same. So what if you don't like something? No. And then when you see it, you're like, oh my God, like I had a blue,
Starting point is 00:58:41 they wanted me in bright colors. They don't like when I wear white. They don't like when I wear white. They don't like when I wear, they wanted like, I remember the first season, they were like, we'd like to see you in like an emerald sort of green. And I'm like,
Starting point is 00:58:52 I don't wear green. Oh my God. Sure as shit. You're an emerald green Birkin. Don't you? So let me ask you both this. At this point, what's the motivation for continuing to do it?
Starting point is 00:59:02 Because it seems like without it, you would still be able to do everything. You must enjoy doing it at some level. Yeah. Yeah, no, we do. And it's obviously great for business. Has your business completely exploded since the show or was it already exploded before?
Starting point is 00:59:20 I had a very good business before the show. Keep in mind, I've been doing this since I was… I've been doing the show since I was 21. Wow. I always forget that it's been around that long. Yeah. Wow. Not 21.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Yes. I started filming when I was 21 years old. You're in season 13. You're not 33. Think about it. Years… No, I'm… No, I'm 36.
Starting point is 00:59:38 But think about it. It takes more than a year sometimes to film it. Like, it doesn't come out every Christmas. Yeah, that's true. It's… I started in 2000 when I was 21. Is it annoying
Starting point is 00:59:48 to be recognized all the time? My 22nd birthday was on the show. She's going to go do research on it. Is it annoying to be recognized all the time? No.
Starting point is 00:59:57 I don't like it when I'm she's much nicer than I am. I don't like this morning somebody came up to us and I was like, we got to go. So sweet. She's like,
Starting point is 01:00:03 you're like, no, let's get better lighting. What the fuck? I'm like you. She's like, you're like, no, let's get better lighting. What the fuck? What do you give a shit how we're taking it? I'm like you. What the fuck do you care how her picture turns out? She was so excited.
Starting point is 01:00:12 Let's do better lighting. Because you don't want shit lighting for anyone involved. What the fuck do I care? I'm never going to see this girl again. Well, she really cares about her picture. She cares. She was really excited. And you dragged me into this shit. And I literally was like, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:00:27 If it's like on the street, can I take a photo? Sure. Like, let's have a bit like a lighting. Like I'm sitting having dinner. Oh, the other day I met Mr. Chow's and this woman comes up with literally a TMZ shirt on. And her four kids, they came, they were here from Arkansas for their 12th birthday or something like that. And I'm sitting there eating my Mr. Chow noodles. And the girl comes up, it's like, can we take a photo?
Starting point is 01:00:50 I'm just about to say, I'm enjoying my meal right now. And then she pushes like her girls, like, come take a photo with Josh. And literally there's like a glass divider between each booth at Mr. Chow's, whatever. And it like fell on top. It was like out of a movie, like toppling on me while I'm trying to eat my noodles. And they're like, let's get better lighting. I'm like, this is unreal. This is like out of a movie, like a really embarrassing movie.
Starting point is 01:01:10 But they didn't seem to be bothered by it. Yeah. Now you just made me crave Mr. Chow's. I've had it like five times this month. I'm so over it now. Well, it has MSG in it, I feel like. Talk about like sitting on the toilet. I think you can get it without MSG.
Starting point is 01:01:23 Yeah, talk about sitting on the toilet. What are you? Who's the what?. Yeah, talk about sitting on the toilet. Who's the, what, the bottom, the top after Mr. Chow's? Nobody's bottoming after Mr. Chow's. I can assure you that. By the way, that is one thing I can assure you. No one has gone to Mr. Chow's and said, let's fuck afterwards. Let's have butt sex after Mr. Chow's. That's a great idea.
Starting point is 01:01:41 So fragile. Right? I will tell you, though, if you want to lose weight, the best place to go is India. I went for a month. I swear to God, I literally lost 20 pounds. You literally lost 20 pounds. I swear to God. I was there for three weeks, maybe four. Wait, this sounds like a Sonia detox that she does. After having the founder of Just Thrive on our podcast and a microbiologist, we learned that a healthy gut equals your best immune, digestive, and emotional health. I am really about the gut right now. I think that it's really having a moment. And I think people are confused about probiotics and what
Starting point is 01:02:26 makes a good probiotic. And from this interview, what I learned is it doesn't matter the number of strains. It doesn't matter if it's refrigerated or not. That's sort of like a fancy smancy marketing tactic. It actually comes down to one thing and that is survivability. So you want to pick a probiotic that can survive the trip from your mouth to your gut. That is by far the most important thing to look for when you're choosing a probiotic for you, for your family, for your kid, for your pet, which we'll get to. And why I like Just Thrive probiotic is because it does survive. It's effective for gas, constipation, bloating, all the things. It also gives you all that healthy bacteria.
Starting point is 01:03:08 I know, especially if I'm ever on an antibiotic, I really have to up my probiotic. And I know that I like to take at least one to two daily. Obviously, you can go to their site and check everything out. They have all these clinical studies and it's backed. So it's backed by effectiveness. The strains that they use put up this armor-like shell that protects them from harsh environments. That's really important too. There's a safe for kids. It's non-GMO, vegan, gluten-free, dairy-free, and free from anything artificial. She even told me
Starting point is 01:03:36 that I could break open the capsule and take some of the powder and put it in Zaza's smoothie. So what I'll do is I'll make her like a spirulina date blueberry banana raspberry smoothie, and then I'll just sprinkle a little bit of probiotic in there for her. They also have one for your dog, like I said. If you want to support beautiful skin, better sleep, and easier weight control, you should check out Just Thrive. It's all about the gut and feeling your best, save 15%. Go to justthrivehealth.com slash skinny or use promo code skinny. That's justthrivehealth.com slash skinny. I don't even know why it was. Oh, because you know what?
Starting point is 01:04:20 India is a big country. You don't realize it's like you couldn't go to the United States and see everything in like a week. Like to go through India, that's a massive country. You don't realize it's like you couldn't go to the United States and see everything in like a week. Like to go through India, that's a massive country. It takes a month. So if one were to go to India, where should they start? By the way, India has the best hotels. If you can afford to travel nicely, India is by far the finest hotels I've ever stayed
Starting point is 01:04:37 in the world. Oh, without a doubt. The like the Rambog Palace or Rathan Bor or like all the Amman's and the Oberoi's. They're like insane. The Leela Palace. There's one that's like that's floating in the middle of a lake. It was actually an octopussy, that James Bond movie. That's an island like that is a hotel in India.
Starting point is 01:04:58 You haven't taken me to Udaipur. I could lose some weight. I mean, you'd like to lose weight. Go to India. OK, I mean, that's that's a tip. Yes. I feel like that's kind of though a Sonia Morgan tip
Starting point is 01:05:09 that she like goes. She goes to all these different Sonia will sometimes like disappear and like she won't answer my texts or calls for like a month. That's what they say on the show. She disappears for a month. She does.
Starting point is 01:05:17 And but she goes to like Palm Springs. I'm like, what the fuck? She's like, look, when I'm on, I'm on. I'm always one to one to sometimes I need time for myself when I'm on, I'm on. But people think like I dismiss them sometimes, but I don't dismiss them. on. I'm always one, two, one, two. Sometimes I need time for myself. When I'm on, I'm on. But people think like I dismiss them sometimes, but I don't dismiss them.
Starting point is 01:05:27 Like if I'm not entitled to have a little time for myself, but if I'm on, I'm on. You know how me I am when I come to your house. It's all about you. It's attention, attention, attention. But when I'm off, I'm off. I'm like. I mean, I do get that in a way.
Starting point is 01:05:38 And there's a little bit of a balance, I'm sure. She does colonics for, she says on the show for 30 days every day. Holy shit. Yeah. Really? Yeah. She goes to like, she says on the show, for 30 days every day. Holy shit. Yeah. Really? Yeah. She goes to like, she says this on the show.
Starting point is 01:05:49 She goes to like Palm Springs and she does like a whole. And I'm sure she gets it done like, you know, trade out or something. Yeah. Of course. She's like all. Hashtag. Hashtag. Hashtag colonics.
Starting point is 01:05:59 Colonics. Colonic partnership. She's good at that. Swipe up. She's so good at it. Good for her. She's really good at it. But you know, it works for the person also because she's got a that she's so good at it she's really good at it but you know
Starting point is 01:06:06 it works for the person also because she's got a big fan base so like all they gotta do is mention the place where she's getting her butt what do they do a little washed out
Starting point is 01:06:14 I know I wanna know colonic and you're gonna wanna go there 100% we gotta get the info on it what a time to be alive I had a colonic one time you know there's like a little window
Starting point is 01:06:21 where you can like look and see everything I found a gold penny shut the fuck up not kidding shut up shut up I was kidding okay a colonic one time. You know, there's like a little window where you can like look and see everything. I found a gold penny. Shut the fuck up. I'm not kidding. Shut up. Shut up. I was kidding.
Starting point is 01:06:28 Okay. I've had a colonic once. Anything interesting? No, I didn't see anything interesting. I just, I've done it. Here's my thing.
Starting point is 01:06:36 You can't, you can't like really drink alcohol for three days afterwards, after it. They didn't tell me that. Oh, you probably wouldn't have like a glass.
Starting point is 01:06:43 I would have had one. How about when you leave the colonic and you go to the bathroom there, like before you leave the place and you like just shit it all out. It's all, it's like. I feel like it pulls the good bacteria out of your gut though too. That's my thing. That's why I don't like it. It doesn't just pull the bad stuff out. It pulls also like your good, your good gut bacteria. I just have a celery juice. I used to do colonics like in my late 20s. I feel like that was like a thing back in the day. You don't want to have butt sex after a colonic.
Starting point is 01:07:15 Really? I feel like that's when you would be clean. Well, that's when I first got with Bobby. I was like, I'm going to try to bottom or whatever. So I'm so crazy. I'm like, I'm going to go get a colonic first. And then I realized that was not a great idea. Are you supposed'm like, I'm going to go get a colonic first. And then I realized that was not a great idea.
Starting point is 01:07:26 Are you supposed to do, what's it called, like a douche? That would probably make more sense. My friend takes a bathroom, not a bathroom, but takes a bath
Starting point is 01:07:34 in hydrogen peroxide. What? What? Yeah, he said that works. What is the point of that? I don't understand. He says it cleans, you know who I'm talking about.
Starting point is 01:07:42 How is that pot? Wait. He says it cleans his butthole from the inside out. Does he shit in the bath while he's in there? I didn't ask for directions. What? That's what he said. He bathes in hydroclone.
Starting point is 01:07:53 I'll do a swipe up. Anytime I start to feel like I'm a little off, I hear stories like this. I'm like, all right. So wait, then he goes from the bath and just shits everything out? No, no, no, no. It doesn't make you shit everything out.
Starting point is 01:08:03 It just cleans it. It bleaches and cleans everything. Huh. Okay. That's what, I don't know. That's what I heard. What is someone,
Starting point is 01:08:12 or what is something that someone wouldn't know about each of you? You're on TV, you're public on social media. What's something like, something that you like
Starting point is 01:08:20 to do when you're off or something that you don't talk about a lot because you're obviously talking about real estate? I mean, it's not like a secret. I just love interior design and I love art and I love furniture. So I'm always going to auctions or I'm going to furniture stores or whatever. Same. Are auctions cool? I've never been to one. Oh, there's so much fun. It's
Starting point is 01:08:42 auction week right now in New York, actually. Wait, so you go and it's just a bunch of people that just want to sell all their stuff right away. It's dangerous. Well, actually, I don't know if you guys have heard about the McAlo collection in New York right now. It's about $400 million of art that's being auctioned. It's either Christie's or Sotheby's, but it's really funny. It's kind of sick. This guy, Harry McAlo, has been married to this woman for like 60 plus years. He's like 90 and she's like 80 something. And so he left her for this 20 year old woman. And he owns the building across the street from her apartment on Park Avenue. And he puts up on
Starting point is 01:09:15 the entire building, a huge picture of him and his new wife. So every time she opens the curtains, she has to look at the new Mrs. McAuliffe and the courts, they hate each other so much. They would not agree. Finally, the judge goes, fuck it. You're liquidating everything. And so all the shit, it's like $400 million of dollars of art has gone to auction this week. My guess is he's going to probably bid and buy it back himself. That's my gut. But anyway, that's so that they literally could not agree on anything. The courts made them liquidate everything. Wow. Yeah. Why are you not flying to New York? courts made them liquidate everything. Wow. Yeah. Why are you not flying to New York?
Starting point is 01:09:47 I feel like you need to go there. I wanted to go actually this weekend. I was going to go candy spelling. I'm never going to go to New York. And then we decided we're going to Vegas on Saturday night. We're going to drive. That'll be fun. What's candy spelling like?
Starting point is 01:10:00 Tell me about candy spelling. Is she fab? She's amazing. She was FaceTiming with him yesterday from her silver closet. Oh, she has different color closets. Oh, you don't understand. It's not a silver closet. Like you open it, it's a little, it's actually larger than this room.
Starting point is 01:10:15 It is a fully lined room with- For her silver. For just the silver. And it is- Hold on, silver, like her silver outfits? Or silver, like her forks? No, no, no. Oh, we'll talk about the closet in a second.
Starting point is 01:10:24 Like silver, like- Forks. Silver forks, knives. Hold on. Silver, like not like silver outfits or silver, like. No, no, no. Oh, we'll talk about the closet in a second. Like, like silver, like silver for forks, knives, salt and pepper sellers, platters. This is what I had to listen to. Like Josh FaceTiming about napkin rings with candy for a solid 30 minutes. And she was like talking about how this one, this was like a surprise napkin ring that was like cheaper, but like you don't need to spend like she's. Well, no, we were talking about. Hilarious. Because I'm having a dinner party on Saturday night and she's coming. And then we decided we'll drive to Vegas after the party. So that's like 10 p.m. or whatever. So.
Starting point is 01:10:58 Why drive? Because she doesn't want to fly right now. Aaron Spelling never flew a day in his life. That's true. How'd you know that? Because I've read every single Tori spelling book and Candy's book. So Aaron would not fly ever. And so, and you know, I'm very close with Tori also. I have totally separate relationships.
Starting point is 01:11:12 I'm going to ask you about that. I'm like, I'm waiting for it. So we have, so Aaron wouldn't fly. So they actually at one time took a coach, like not like a horse and carriage on the Western, like by train and went by train, their own private coach across. But basically they would go to Vegas and stay, like when Aaron was filming in Las Vegas,
Starting point is 01:11:31 they'd take out the top floor of the Sahara or whatever the hotel was at the time or whatever. But so anyway, so she's like a big gambler. And so she's got the hookup at all the hotels. And so I said, look, let's get, she has a chauffeur. Let's take the driver. We're all drive. We'll pick one of the two and we'll go to Vegas and we'll go to the furniture mart because she and I both love getting deals on things. She loves a good deal. Like we
Starting point is 01:11:56 went the other day downtown, we went to get discount candles. Yes. I ended up spending $2,000 on the candles, but it would have been 5,000 retail. So you spent $100 on the candle, 17 ducks a candle. We went downtown to the wholesale place. How many candles are you buying? I bought 200 candles. Just for dinner parties? No, I bought 100 candles. For dinner parties?
Starting point is 01:12:16 No, you have like diptyque candles throughout the house, that kind of stuff. Okay, okay. And then after that, we went to Philippe's for French dips. She had a, what do you call it? They had pickled pig's feet there. Yes. See, I can get on more with, I like this more than like any day of the week, a club or a, yeah, this, the pickled pig's feet and like finding candles that like, this sounds fun. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:41 So, but it was, I mean, you should have seen everybody like at Philippe's. It's like people, like there's sawdust on the floor. So the chauffeur opens the door for us. It was like out of a movie. It was like, I'm trying to think of that move. It was just, it was really, I remember that movie, like Richie Rich, when he arrives at the, at the playground in a limousine, it was like that funny because it was like so out of whack.
Starting point is 01:12:58 We're like literally downtown at a sandwich shop. She's so anyway, so that was, um, but I love that about her, how juxtaposition she is. Oh, she's... Yeah, she's totally a normal... Yeah. Like, her closet... By the way, she has a 4,600-square-foot closet.
Starting point is 01:13:13 I have never in my life seen anything like this in my life. I didn't believe it. Wait, I can't picture that in my head. Like, how big is that? It is two stories.
Starting point is 01:13:21 It's like the size of my house. It's like a four- or five-bedroom home. It is two stories. It is insane. She has a collection just for the dog clothing. She has a collection just for the purse. You've never seen anything like this. There's a dog section.
Starting point is 01:13:33 We talk like around like the other morning. We were up till like three in the morning on the phone. We talk at like one to three in the morning. Nikki Haskell and I too, like they don't sleep. So she and I love Criminal Minds. So we watch late at night. We're like, did you watch this episode? Whatever.
Starting point is 01:13:44 Sunday night where she's a big horror film person. We're going to watch the scariest movie we can find. We're going to screen it upstairs. Which is? We don't know yet. We have to find what the scariest movie is. Strangers is. You know what you didn't talk about?
Starting point is 01:13:57 What? Her wrapping paper closet. Ironically, the wrapping room is impressive, but it's not nearly as impressive as the silver room. But who has a wrapping paper closet? I know a lot of people who have that, which I don't understand that, by the way. It's like, why the fuck would you go to Hermes and then wrap your own present? That doesn't make any sense.
Starting point is 01:14:13 Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. It's a thing, people. I think it's a thing of the 80s, like wrapping. I don't know what it is, but the silver closet is super impressive. Okay. Are Tori and Candy on good terms? I think so. I think it's a lot more built up in the press.
Starting point is 01:14:28 Like, it's not like what people, like, people think that, like, they don't talk to each other. It's not true. Do they spend holidays together? I would say they have a challenging relationship, but it is not. It's far from what people think it is. I love Tori Spelling, too, though. Tori Spelling is like. She's Tori Spelling is like I love Tori.
Starting point is 01:14:46 Yeah. I heard you guys on Heather MacDonald and I heard you on Heather MacDonald and you guys seem like you have a really good I have a really close
Starting point is 01:14:53 relationship with Tori. Yeah. I mean she's she's so funny. I mean like you can just she's great because you can make fun of her and she can play along with it.
Starting point is 01:15:00 Yeah. She's in on the joke. Like if you watch any of the interviews I've done on her on my Instagram like when I've interviewed her like it's hysterical, she's in on the joke. Like, if you watch any of the interviews I've done on her on my Instagram, like, when I've interviewed her, like, it's hysterical.
Starting point is 01:15:08 Like, she's just like, you can, she's like Sonya or actually Tracy too. Easy. Like, you can poke fun, you can say whatever you want and they'll roll with it.
Starting point is 01:15:15 Yeah, she seems like she doesn't, she seems like she's had a crazy childhood. Like, no one has had a childhood like Tori Spelling, number one. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:25 And number two, she just seems like she rolls with the punches and it doesn't take Hollywood too seriously. 100%. Her books are really good too. She's a great writer. I haven't read them. I thought... You would love it. She's a great writer. She's funny. She hits all the points. I have a book coming out soon. Oh, that's something that you can tell our audience that we didn't know about you. Tell us.
Starting point is 01:15:44 Well, it's coming out in, I our audience that we didn't know about you. Tell us. Well, it's coming out in, I think, six months. We just finished it. Is it How to Clean Your Butthole Before Being a Bottom? Absolutely. First chapter, Mr. Chow's. Yeah, first chapter, Mr. Chow's. Second chapter, Bangladesh. Yeah, it covers that.
Starting point is 01:15:58 And then, no, it'll come out next summer. What's it called? Do you have a title yet? We have options. It's not, we haven't chosen the actual it called? Do you have a title yet? We have, we have options. It's not, we haven't chosen the actual title yet. Is it a how-to? No, it's not like a stupid how-to. Like, this is who you sell real estate.
Starting point is 01:16:11 It gives examples. It gives stories that, like, actually, it's good because it's actually entertaining. And it gives stories and examples of things that have happened to me and why you should or shouldn't do this. It's just like, this is, like, what you need to do and need to, and it's, it's not a boring book. I can tell you that. I can see your second book being an entertaining. This is my third book. Oh, your third book, excuse me. Your third book or your fourth book. I can see it being an entertaining how to dress Emily Post kind of vibe. I would like to do that, but that doesn't sell.
Starting point is 01:16:37 Oh God, though. I would love. I've always wanted to do a copy table book on the top hotels of the world or tablescapes or whatnot, but this doesn't. I actually think it'll sell better than you think. I think it would sell. Yes, it will. I'm just going by what HarperCollins has told me. Okay. Well, maybe you should talk to Simon & Schuster.
Starting point is 01:16:53 We should. Or a different one. I feel like an Emily Post updated Josh Flagg situation would crush it. I would love to read it. I would too. This is your third book? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And what's your first and your second? I'm going to go read all your books. First was called Million Dollar. Please don't read the first. Okay. The first was Million Dollar
Starting point is 01:17:13 Agent. Why can't I read the first? It was very obnoxious and tragic. The second one was about my grandmother. And then the third one was, is this one coming up? Okay. I can't, I'm going to go read the second one then. Okay. And you wrote a book too. I did. Okay. Tell us about that. It's called Fear. I brought you a copy. I can't because she left 10 copies in my house. She did. Well, it's called Fear is just a four letter word. And it's a book about, you know, owning the rooms that you walk into and figuring out how to navigate life and business and be authentic and without being scared? You know, someone was doing my makeup probably like two months ago.
Starting point is 01:17:50 And we were talking about how when I get my makeup done, I work on my computer or take calls. And I said, you know, I'm sorry, I'm working. I don't mean to be rude. And she said, oh, no, no, no, no. I do Tracy's makeup. And I said, oh.
Starting point is 01:18:03 No, she's rude. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. She didn't say rude actually at all. And I said, oh, I'm interviewing her. I can't wait. She said, oh my God, you're going to love her. And then she said, she is the hardest working woman I have ever done makeup on. She works and works and works. She's such a hustler, but she's also warm. Oh, yeah. Very, very nice about you. Well, that's nice. You know who this woman is? I'm guessing it's Haley. She does my makeup a lot. She has dark hair. It wasn't Haley. No, it was somebody else. Shadi. Oh, she's so sweet. Hi, Shadi. She gave me a very nice compliment. She's so sweet. So did, I think, Haley and Heckman.
Starting point is 01:18:44 She's great. Yes. Both those girls are very talented. I am definitely going to be reading your book. Oh, thank you. I feel like you are such a great role model for women. It was terrifying, but it was when I joined the show, it obviously was like the thing that talked about, like the first female on the show and the whole male dominated thing. And I didn't even really think about it in the beginning.
Starting point is 01:19:05 And then after the first year, it was always sort of talked about on podcasts and interviews and stuff like that. And I said, I really think I should probably do something and take advantage of that opportunity and talk about it more, like in a more authentic way. And so that's how the book got started. And I remember when we were talking about titles and I was like, I don't know. I cuss
Starting point is 01:19:28 a lot. What was the original title? I liked that title. There's something you were going to call it then. You need to be on board with the new title. You need to be like, I love the new title. No, no, no. I fought for Fear is Just a Four Letter Word and they didn't want that to be
Starting point is 01:19:43 the title because they thought, and then it turned out they, you know, when we did the cover, it made sense. And then, you know, we were going to launch it and yada, yada. And I was terrified, obviously never wrote a book before. And then the pandemic happened. And then I was even more terrified to launch a book in the middle of a pandemic. And then the word fear being on the book and everybody was sort of living, it just ended up doing really well in the first couple of weeks, and it became a bestseller, and shocking. I can't wait to read both your books. I'm going to buy the book on your grandma. I can't wait to read that. I know. I haven't read that either. I want to. No, I want to buy it. I
Starting point is 01:20:15 want to read it. That sounds really, really good. I'm a big, big celebrity memoir biography person. Who's your favorite? Who's your favorite one? I just finished The World According to Joan, which Nikki would appreciate. I bought every single Joan Collins book that I could find, even though they were like so expensive on eBay. My neighbor was. I'm literally across,
Starting point is 01:20:34 like I'm out my door, like across the street. That is amazing. The house directly across. That's cool. Really cool. And owned the one next door that Pacino rents and has lived in for 20 years. I lived across the street from Olivia Newton-John. That's cool. Really cool. And owned the one next door that Pacino rents and has lived in for 20 years.
Starting point is 01:20:45 I lived across the street from Olivia Newton-John. That's cool too. Her autobiography is good. Oh, really? You read it? Yeah. Her autobiography is really good. You know who else is surprisingly really good?
Starting point is 01:20:55 Anthony Kiedis of Scar Tissue. His book's really good. If you want a celebrity drug memoir. I actually believe that would be kind of a cool, interesting read. You know who's book is phenomenal? And he actually wrote it. It was Arnold Schwarzenegger's. Oh my God actually believe that would be kind of a cool, interesting read. You know who's book phenomenal? And he actually wrote it was Arnold Schwarzenegger's. Oh my God,
Starting point is 01:21:08 my boyfriend would die. Because he goes through and he, like it's, he wrote it. Yeah, he wrote it. His story is really interesting. When he ends the,
Starting point is 01:21:17 like this won't ruin anything because everyone knows what happened, but he's like, imagine, like basically he says, like if you were to try to like make this story up
Starting point is 01:21:24 about a, you know, an immigrant that, an immigrant that went into the military, that became a bodybuilding champion in the world, that became the biggest actor, then became the governor of California, married a Kennedy. But you know, Schwarzenegger made a bunch of money in real estate before he ever became an actor.
Starting point is 01:21:39 I didn't know. He did that. He was smart. He did that so that he would not be forced to take shitty roles. So he had the real estate. What kind of real estate? Commercial.
Starting point is 01:21:47 He did a bunch. A ton. Where is this commercial? Santa Monica. My boyfriend is obsessed with him. It's like his idol. So I hear about Schwarzenegger's story all the time. That's wild.
Starting point is 01:21:56 He owns a bunch of shit still in Santa Monica. When he was like 20, he's got into it. Oh, didn't he have a restaurant? Didn't he called Shotsky's or Shots? Was that his? I don't know. I think he was also a partner in the Planet Hollywoods. That was a real success. Yeah, I think that thing didn't he have a restaurant? Didn't he called Shotsky's or Shots? Was that his? I don't know. I think he was also a partner in the Planet Hollywoods. That was a real success.
Starting point is 01:22:07 Yeah, I think that thing didn't go too well. You know who else's autobiography is amazing? I feel like you'll know. Jerry Weintraub. Yeah, I didn't read it, but I mean, he's a fascinating guy. That is a good one. I read that book in a day. It was good.
Starting point is 01:22:18 And of course, Nicky. How about Bob Evans? Have you read? Love that one. The Kid Stays in the Picture is by far the best book of all time. I always try to pick Nicky's brain on all that. Oh, Nicky's. I mean, they were super close, huh? Yeah you read? Love that one. The Kid Stays in the Picture is by far the best book of all time. I always try to pick Nikki's brain on all that. Oh, Nikki's. I mean, Nikki needs a book.
Starting point is 01:22:27 They were super close, huh? Yeah, Nikki needs a book. Where's Nikki's book? Right now, they're doing something, maybe a documentary on her. You know, I mean, Nikki really does need a book. Yeah, she needs a book.
Starting point is 01:22:39 I mean, it's, but the thing is that, yeah, no, she could get a book. She should. Yeah, she should. Okay, what are you guys working on? Where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out.
Starting point is 01:22:48 Tell us about your YouTube show, what you're working on now. Give us all the details where they can follow you. Josh Flag won on Instagram. Why won? Because some motherfucker took Josh Flag, and he won't give it to me. Can we do the Josh Flag? I've had it for so long. Oh, can you change it?
Starting point is 01:23:03 Yeah, you can change it. And the one feels like an AIM. Yeah. It's like I didn't even know that. Yeah. What? The one. Josh Flag one. This asshole won't fucking let me have it. And he's like some musician in Tennessee. And he has three followers. Like, give me my name. What about
Starting point is 01:23:17 the Josh Flag? I could change it, I guess. But that's shit. Register right now. Someone's going to take it. The, uh, wait, what was the other one? Oh, then on TikTok, my TikTok's kind of blowing up now. It's like, I guess, but that's shit. Register right now. Someone's going to take it. Wait, what was the other one? Oh, then my TikTok's kind of blowing up now. It's like, it's really- I die. It's really good. I know, because you get notifications you're so excited about. I did one yesterday with Cameron Diaz. It was really funny. What is it? She was in my kitchen and I walk in and I'm like going to get myself a sandwich. I go, oh, hello, Cameron Diaz.
Starting point is 01:23:48 Why are you in my kitchen right now? And she's like, oh, hi. And Olympia and her having a glass, our housekeeper, having a glass of wine together. I'm like, they're like chit-chatting, ignoring me. I'm like, okay, I'm just going to go make myself a sandwich. And they're like ignoring me. And it's really funny. That's amazing.
Starting point is 01:24:03 Yeah. Cameron Diaz just wants to come over and shoot this or is this a planned shoot he's bought so much wine that no nothing to do with that she does have a great wine though no they were filming the segment in my kitchen it's organic and like no sugar and all the things all the boxes yeah I like that one I let them use my kitchen oh yeah you have a wine too yes I, I do. Mine's no sugar. Oh, I didn't know you have a wine. Yes, we just launched it. It's called Unsweet. It's the first zero calorie wine, no additives.
Starting point is 01:24:34 I need that. I mean, you know, which I didn't even pay attention to because I never really gave a shit, but there's no ingredients. There's no nutritional information on bottles of wine in the U.S. But in Europe, there actually is nutritional information. So I was like, these two girls came to me and they were like, we really think that this is something that we should launch in
Starting point is 01:24:57 the U.S. And I said, I don't really care about like what's in wine. I do. Like when I drink. I do. And then they convinced me otherwise. I don't want to drink what's in wine. I do. Like when I drink. I do. And then they convinced me otherwise. I don't want to drink all that sugar and wake up with a hangover with puffy face. Like the story of my life. Yeah. It's like, why do I want all those extra calories if I'm going to be drinking? I love that there's no sugar in it.
Starting point is 01:25:19 Yeah. It's really like we launched a Pinot Grigio and a Red. And I'm working on a Chardonnay because I'm a Chardonnay girl. And there's a Cava, which is a Spanish champagne. Yeah. And it's really, really good and affordable. Where do you buy it? Well, right now, we just got our distribution for the whole U.S. And there's something that's coming up. I haven't shared with you yet.
Starting point is 01:25:47 I love how you ask questions that you might already know the answer to. I really didn't know. I was just trying to plug your show. You can get it on unsweetwine.com. But we're about to start distributing it nationwide. Right now, you can only get it in California. And your Instagram handle? At Tracy Tudor.
Starting point is 01:26:01 You guys are a barrel of fun. Come back anytime. I could have asked you so many more questions. I mean, I really didn't even know where to take this. We talked about bleaching buttholes. Absolutely. Polonics, candy spellings, wrapping closet, her silver room.
Starting point is 01:26:16 Oh my God, the silver room. Insane. Divorce, kids. PTA. PTA. I mean, geez geez we went there Bangladesh Bangladesh
Starting point is 01:26:26 Bangladesh yeah how do you categorize this episode I'm going to let Michael do it miscellaneous miscellaneous I have no idea
Starting point is 01:26:35 how you categorize it thank you guys for coming on truly come back anytime next time though I think we should do it in LA because the lighting
Starting point is 01:26:40 is the best in LA and lighting is important to me and Tracy lighting is important hell yeah thank. Oh, well that we love that lighting is important to me and Tracy. Hell yeah. Thank you both. Thanks.
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