The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Olivia Ponton On Body Image Perception, Sexuality, Wellness Practices, & Mental Health

Episode Date: May 4, 2023

#567: Today we're sitting down with Olivia Ponton, model, social media personality & wellness advocate. Olivia Ponton quickly shot to internet stardom in early 2020, shortly after signing to Wilhelmina Models NYC. At just 20 years old, Olivia has now amassed over 11 million followers and 780 million views across her social media platforms & recently posed for Sports Illustrated in 2022. Olivia joins us today to discuss her experience coming out as pansexual, her experience as a young model & how the industry can manipulate young women. She also gets into how she deals with internet trolls and why she emphasizes the importance of self care & wellness in her daily life. She also discusses her own wellness practices and how she maintains her mental and physical health.   To connect with Olivia Ponton click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Subscribe to our YouTube channel HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Vroom You can buy a car from Vroom entirely online. So, next time you need to buy a car, just grab your phone, go to Vroom.com, and check out thousands of cars.   This episode is brought to you by SKIMS SKIMS is the solution-oriented brand creating the next generation of underwear, loungewear, and shapewear for EVERY body.  Get free shipping on orders over $75 at SKIMS.com This episode is brought to you by Cymbiotika Cymbiotika is a health supplement company, designing sophisticated organic formulations that are scientifically proven to increase vitality and longevity by filling nutritional gaps that result from our modern day diet. Use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 15% off your purchase at cymbiotika.com This episode is brought to you by Squarespace From websites and online stores to marketing tools and analytics, Squarespace is the all-in-one platform to build a beautiful online presence and run your business. Go to squarespace.com/skinny for a free trial & use code SKINNY for 10% off your first purchase of a website domain. This episode is brought to you by Hatch Hatch taps into your circadian rhythm every morning with a gradual sunrise alarm that wakes you gently. Go to hatch.co and get free expedited shipping on a Restore 2 Alarm Clock. This episode is brought to you by Topgolf The Topgolf experience has a vibe – it’s all about play and having fun. Download the Topgolf app today & book a bay. Produced by Dear Media

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Aha! I showed up to this specific set. It was in Brooklyn, and I was 18 at the time. We go through hair and makeup. We're talking about outfits. We're doing our fitting. And then all of a sudden, we're shooting. Starts off with like, oh, bring the jacket like a little bit back. And then, you know, slowly take off the jacket.

And then, you know, would you feel comfortable doing this or doing that? And then all of a sudden, you get to a point where they're like basically asking you to get naked and you're like wait i actually i don't want you to have photos of me like that i actually don't feel comfortable doing that because i feel like a few years ago you couldn't say that they'd be like okay go home and now you can finally have a say with being like actually i don't feel too comfortable with that is there any way we can steer clear of that? Hello, hello, hello. Today, we're sitting down with Olivia Pontone. She's a model, social media personality, and wellness advocate. Her skin was so glowy. I asked her all the questions. We talk about body image, social media, and affecting the way you view

yourself, eating disorders, the modeling industry, coming out as pansexual, how to break out on social media, Olivia's must-have products, femininity, dealing with trolls, wellness practices, and how she deals with stress. This episode was a fun one. We really asked her so many different questions. It is a bag of Chex Mix. On that note, a little background. Olivia Pontone quickly shot to internet stardom in early 2020 after signing to Wilhelmina Models in New York City. At 20 years old, she now amassed a following of 11 million followers and 780 million views across her social channels, which is wild. And what I love about this episode is there's so many photos of her. There's so many videos. But this episode really gets to the core of who she is. She's vulnerable. She's amazing. I think you're going to love it. Olivia, welcome

to the show. This is the skinny confidential him and her. Let's go back before you were this famous, huge all star on social media. How did you grow up? What was your childhood like? My childhood was the beachiest girl you can possibly imagine. I grew up in Naples, Florida, which is like a total beach town. And I grew up basically waking up, going to school, bringing my bikini with me in the car, and then going to the beach after, and then working out eventually at the beach. What are some things that you look back on in your childhood and you can pinpoint where you struggled? Honestly, with like acceptance of myself, if that makes any sense. Like I feel like especially with like the LGBTQ aspect of it, I definitely can look back and be like, wow, there's some pretty red flags that I feel like

I should have noticed. And then also just like in high school, I feel like everyone kind of experiences like high school bullies and whatnot. And that was just definitely something I struggled with, with like not having friends because I feel like my mindset was totally different from like the classic normal 16-year-old body self that we were going through. What would you get bullied for?

Honestly, like just the randomest things. My body is like one thing that's like obviously very out there in my hometown. It's very having a thicker body and having like the thick thighs and the huge butt and the huge boobs was like very popular at my high school. I don't have any of that. So that was definitely something that I would get bullied for. Whereas like my friends, they would like all have that. And, you know, it was a very athletic build, but it was a totally different I mean obviously every body shape is totally different so mine just like didn't match up to what their beauty standards was you grew up I

feel like at a time where there there's a lot of social media yeah we didn't have that in high school I can't imagine was there is there more of a dynamic that comes along with that when you're already struggling with your body image in high school and then you also have social media on top of it really aging us there lauren just you were fucking paging me when i was 12 i don't think i had a smartphone i don't think i even had a phone with a screen until like i played snake in high school if that i played that too you did yes yeah but it was the same kind of snake that I was playing. I'm not sure. Did you have to press a blocky number key? Like three… Yeah, we had to do like the up-down side-side buttons.

Okay. Okay. Okay. I feel a little better. But you had… Social media was very relevant. Yeah. I mean… I think this just was even like a positive impact for me was the fact that like Victoria's Secret models were like huge during my middle school and high school era and I was although like looking back

at it was very hard for my mental health looking at these like 22 to 25 year old women who were like beautiful and had these huge boobs and were like 5'10 and I think looking back at that I mean there was definitely times where I went to the beach and I taped my boobs together and like taped my thighs together because I wanted to like be foreseen as like this Victoria Secret angel was 13 years old. Like I was not supposed to look like a 22 year old woman at the time. And I think that was definitely that was super interesting. Do you think that this was perpetuated through social media, though, the way that you were feeling or is it like more internal in your high school?

I think, honestly, it was more internal in my high school. Social media definitely was affecting it, I would say, like my junior and senior year. But at that point, I think I had like given up completely what other people had thought about me that it didn't hurt as much as if I did care. Eating disorders, is that something that you've experienced directly? One thousand percent. I think it truly was a little bit more affected by the modeling industry rather than high school. Like I never really experienced an eating disorder until I reached social media, until I had modeling aspect of it all. Just because of the pressure of putting yourself out there and having people kind of chime in and judge?

Yes, 100%. Do you remember something? Whenever someone comes on here and they talk about their eating disorder, they can remember like a moment that it clicked in. Like they saw something in a magazine or Crystal came on and she was talking about how she watched a video in school of someone who was bulimic. And so she went home and she did that. Was there like a moment or an epiphany that you experienced? I was in Europe and I was at a fitting or I was at a casting and I just heard them talk about me for probably like five minutes straight in Italian. And I was so confused and I didn't really process why they were like not looking at me in a certain way.

And then I realized that I didn't get the job. And then you can kind of just put two and two together and realize that they were talking about you. And I think then walking the streets after and especially in Europe, you can pinpoint who's a model in the streets. It's like very obvious. It's like the people that are wearing all black and you know they're like thin and I think after that one trip that I went on it just like kind of went downhill from there I just finished Rose McGowan's book called Brave you guys should read it it's really good but she talks about the same experience of casting directors openly talking about the way you look in front of you.

That is demeaning. It's the weirdest experience. It's almost like you're like a prop. Yeah. Like it's like you don't have feelings. You're like you're supposed to just be numb and then you walk in and, you know, you have five to 15 minutes to basically convince these people to book you or to like you.

And I don't know. That's a long enough time. But realistically, I think it takes more of like a conversation where they don't want to have conversations with 100 different girls. You have to somehow figure out a way to stand out. And that is one of the hardest things with modeling. I think that's what's so great, though, now with with TikTok and Instagram and all this, it's like you can appeal to the people that you should be appealing to and yes there's trolls and all that but like it's also like you can find your people direct as opposed to having to go through these casting directors and then having

them put you out does that make sense yeah 100 which is that's kind of how i started just with modeling in that aspect because the casting directors were so harsh and the modeling agencies were so. I remember the first modeling agency that I ever even spoke to about modeling. I've never even talked about this. She told me I was very small when I first started modeling. I wasn't even I think I was five, six, five, seven. So I hadn't even completely grown into my body yet. And she told me this, like,

looking back at it, a disgusting diet that I had to follow. It was like a mixture of keto and vegan, but like cutting out all carbs, all dairy. I quintessentially had to eat like salads for every single meal. And I did it for like two weeks. And I told my mom, my mom was like, what is wrong with you? And I was like, oh, I'm trying this diet. And I had no personality. And I was like, is that what modeling agencies expect from girls? Like have zero personality or even like a glow. And they just want you to be like this like stick thin prop, basically. What changed your mindset to pivot from modeling to what you're doing now? It was definitely during COVID.

And I think just because modeling had stopped at the time, social media was picking up more during COVID. I mean, there was never really like a change. I think it just kind of like went back and forth where we were like, OK, either I'm going to do this or I'm going to do that. And I'm trying right now to like mend them both together and just try to keep my mentality state up there. Well, it seems like you're very, very beautiful. And to me, you look like a model, but you also have this personality. And it sounds like with modeling,

they just want to showcase the way you look and you like you're more than that. It's like you want you want to show a more multifaceted. Yeah, because I think a lot of models get like out, not outspoken, but they don't have a voice a lot of the time, especially, I mean, going on set and wearing clothes that you're not comfortable in or X, Y, Z. It's really nice to finally, I guess, have a voice in certain things. You don't have to feel awkward, you know, going on set and they want you to like pose nude. And you're like, wait, I actually don't feel comfortable doing that because I feel like a few years ago, you couldn't say that. They'd be like, okay, go home.

And now you can finally have a say with being like, actually, I don't feel too comfortable with that. Is there any way we can steer clear of that? So can you look back on your modeling career and there's times when you went to a job and they're like, take your clothes off? Yeah. That was like one of the first ones in New York that I was like, wait, what? Wait, so they don't give you

like a list of what you're doing before? Walk us through that. I don't understand. So you show up there and they're just like, they spring it on you. I mean, I showed up to this specific set.

It was in Brooklyn and I showed up and I was 18 at the time and, you know, we go through hair and makeup. We're talking about outfits. We're doing our fitting and then all of a sudden we're shooting and and you know we go through hair and makeup we're talking about outfits we're doing our fitting and then all of a sudden we're shooting and you know it starts off with like oh bring the jacket like a little bit back and then you know slowly take off the jacket and then

you know would you feel comfortable doing this or doing that and then all of a sudden you get to point where they're like basically asking you to get naked and you're like wait I actually I'm 18 years old like i don't want you to have photos of me like that and what are they what can they even do with those photos can they they can't publish look for certain brands like they can publish them it depends on their brand look what happened to amirata what happened oh for the she was young model and she went she tells the story at her book she went to this this guy's house really young she was really young like not famous yet she went to a photographer's house which like i i could see

like i used to do things like that when i was like 18 i would go to like you go to the photographer's house i would like shoot pictures like it was like very casual she pictures. He took a bunch of naked photos of her on Polaroids. And then he kept them? And he kept them. And they're beautiful photos. And then literally like 10 years later, when she was famous, he published a book. And it's legal for him to do? It's legal for him to do.

Oh, because they're his photos? They're his photos. Oh, shit. He published a book. It's this thick. I think he also published part two of all her naked photos and there was nothing she could do. And he made money off it. Yeah. Wow. That's pretty fucked up. It's pretty fucked up. Yeah. And I think just also looking back at it, I mean, this was only like two years ago and realizing that I also thought that was normal. I would go over to photographers houses and take photos with them. And, you know, I think this also just stems from like a deeper insecurity.

Like I was never comfortable with my body. So even when photographers would ask me like shoot naked, I'd be like, honestly, like I'm not even that secure in myself right now. Like I don't feel comfortable taking photos like that. But I remember that photo shoot in Brooklyn was the first time where I was like, they gave me like, I said no. And they were kind of just like, okay, you need to do this. And I was like, wait, like 18 years old, like you don't, you don't need naked photos of me. Like this isn't something that you really need for this shot. Like it doesn't make sense also. And I'm really happy that I pushed back because I've shot with other photographers, but it's not necessarily nude, but it's like very sexual

photos. And even like two years later they'll like post them on their instagram and they'll tag me and i'm like this was shot two years ago i was freshly 18 you can see my entire body i'm like this i well i'll dm them back and i'll be like hey like do you mind deleting that like i was 18 years old i'm like there's a totally delete it no i bet you they see the DM at the top and they just don't open it. I will say something about photographers and you know more about this than me,

but so tell me if this has changed. And this isn't every photographer. So if you're a photographer, don't like come for me. We have a photographer community coming at the show now. A lot of male photographers let off this energy that makes you feel less than when

you're young it's an energy of like you want to like prove to them like to get their approval yeah it's an energy i can't explain i imagine they use other women maybe in your field saying like well this person did this and you're not doing this. So maybe you're not going to be as successful. Yeah. I would say it's manipulative. I don't know if that's the right word, but they're good. Like you're saying they'll be like, oh, well, this model did this photo shoot last month and it's published in Vogue. You need to be doing this. And I'm like, well, first of all, this is not a Vogue photo shoot. I'm not that established of a model. And you want me to take these nude photos for you, a 22-year-old man, to have them. It's across the board too. Or they'll also, they'll name drop to make, oh, I just shot with... They kind of cut you down and then they put you

in front of the camera to sort of pretend to build you up. It is very manipulative. From that perspective, if you can put someone in a weakened state of mind where they're maybe feeling a little insecure and they're like, oh, I better perform and I better do this. Because you're probably one of the luckier ones that had the confidence of like, no, I'm not doing that. But I imagine there's many that don't have that kind of confidence and they give in. A lot of my friends, we've talked about this so many times of just like the crazy situations that we've put in that we've been put in where we've done some very question like looking back at it very questionable things and we're like huh that's crazy how they manipulated me into that situation

and I didn't even process it until two years later when I'm in therapy you just sometimes don't process it in the moment and you look back and you're just like, it's not something you would have done if you had a minute to reflect. It's borderline narcissistic of the photographer. Like it's a lot going on. And then they, the thing about the pictures is then they have the pictures. It's not like the act is done and then you walk away and you're just like, oh, that's a horrible memory. That memory that's traumatic it's like there's also pictures that they have in their position possession for like however long and then they can post them exactly and i think that's where it gets the most messy is you know you might say yes when you're 17 16 that age but then you get like the whole emily thing then she gets

when she's like 30 or whatever age it would be, then they decide to publish them. It's like, well, what if, you know, you do something that you mess up on when you're 16 years old and then it comes out when you're 26? Like, obviously, you're not the same person, but it's a photographer in their mind knowing that they can get something off of it. And then they get clout later on. It's just it's a whole spiral. You just came out as bisexual recently looking back on your childhood can you pinpoint a moment that you knew you were bisexual very young or do you know i'm pansexual which i know that doesn't it's not that big of a difference

explain the difference for anyone who's listening that doesn't know pansexual is just basically you don't care about anything like i this is how I like to explain it I don't care about gender I don't care how you look I don't care about any of that I'm a very strictly emotional person and whether it is a guy whether it's a girl whether it's not binary person transgender it's open to completely and everything I appreciate you telling us the difference because I know there's a lot of people that listening that want to be want to say the correct thing and they don't know the difference yeah and I think how you're explained like that's very digestible yeah a lot of even when I came out a lot of my friends were like wait what does that mean and I'm like well I was talking to this non-binary person and then

I did some research and I was like wait okay there's I guess a different term for that which I do think it is a very interesting topic because bisexual is like just for females and men or females and men so when you look back on your childhood did you know that that was something that was always your preference or has it evolved I think in high school I was so insecure with myself that I really craved male validation like a lot I was boy crazy I've always been boy crazy I've always just been like relationship crazy and looking back at it definitely a lot of the people that I liked was because I blatantly craved validation but I mean you would get in relationships to basically feel some way about yourself because you weren't I've

never had like a boyfriend until I was 18 because none of them would date me. I don't know. It's a very weird. I don't know. When you say date you like meaning be boyfriend girlfriend? Or like they would go out with you? Yeah. Like they wouldn't even.

I didn't. I was 17 when I got taken on my first like actual date. And it was by like a guy that was much older than me. So looking back at that, that was a red flag. but I didn't really process it at the time either. Is that something because you didn't want to or? No, I just, I've asked many boys to be my boyfriend or to go out and they would either just say no or make up some excuse. Pamela Anderson just gave the best tip. I'm obsessed with this tip. I can't stop talking about it. She said on the documentary,

she goes, this is how you get someone to marry you. You say, I'm never marrying you. I say that to everyone. I'm never marrying you. I'm never marrying you.

I'm never going to date you. It's a fucking lose. Like it's never going to happen. And then they're obsessed with you. Well, people like the chase, you know? Also that. And I feel like I should have

definitely embodied that a little bit more because i was the complete opposite i just craved like everyone had a boyfriend or a girlfriend growing up and i was just like me and i never had a boyfriend i never had a girlfriend i was obsessed with this one guy for like three years of my life that like odd we were like in a love triangle with like four other people it was so messy and i just like was obsessed with the toxicity of it and like that validation that I got from it. And then looking back at it was so obvious that it was not love at all. I told him I was in love with him. I did not love him at all. And he's kicking himself right now. He's a troll. He's user 855 underscore 218. Oh, no, he's fully like reached back out to me in all these different times.

The worst. I'm like, you literally broke my heart like 37 times, but okay. So looking back on your childhood, when did you know that you were pansexual? Like what was the epiphany of that?

Was it later? I think it was quite honestly when I met my ex-girlfriend when it was, it all clicked because there was quite honestly when I met my ex-girlfriend when it was it all clicked because there was like a large part of my time where I wasn't like sexually active because I just wasn't attracted to men at that point in my time in my life. And, you know, everyone else around me was like going out and, you know, hooking up with people. And I just would crave that. But I never had anyone that I was like, oh, yeah, like I want to go kiss them right now.

And then I met her and I all kind of just like mended together. And I was like, oh, that makes a lot of sense now. Did you meet her while you have your social presence going on? Yeah, it was probably this time, like two years ago, maybe a little bit longer I literally just saw her on my for you page and I was so confused by like the feeling that I was feeling I was like wait you saw her on your for you page and you like you like fell for her then like I stalked her every single day for two weeks and then I just didn't have the balls to like dm her anything I just was like I couldn't figure out for the longest time either if I wanted to be her or if there was like a deeper feeling in that.

And a lot of it was like internalized homophobia that I was experiencing that I can now look back at. And what do you mean be her? Like, like I get what you're saying. Like some, I don't know. It's like you guys don't understand. I'm trying to keep up here. Yeah. No, like girls, like there's girls in high school that you like, I want to be her so badly. Like what lip gloss is she wearing? Yeah. And it was kind of that thing because she was like a D1 athlete.

She was blonde. She's beautiful in my opinion. And I was like, wait, is that like an alternate universe of like what I wanted to be and looking back at it? No, that's not what I wanted to be. It was just I liked her.

So you slid in her DMs? Yeah. What'd you say? I said hi with like four eyes. And that's to my day. That's how I slid into a girl's DMs. So did you know that she was into women too? Yeah. I waited to make sure that I like 100% knew. And then I did some stalking and she posted stuff about like her being gay and i was like oh so when she when you say hi what does she say back i think she's just like hi and like she was so confused why i dm'd her she's like um hello she's like i thought i was in trouble like we talked about it later she's like i thought there was like something that i did wrong and you were

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over to my house we were having like a movie night like I used to live in a huge house with we do like a bunch of activities like that and she couldn't come over that night but then she came over the next day I think for like a basketball game that we were hosting and it was just the awkwardest experience I'd ever been in I like did not know how to let this girl know that I was like interested in her I was so just kind of like, oh, yeah. Like she literally straight up asked me if I was gay. And I was like, I, yeah, I'm bisexual. I think, I don't know.

So I don't know. She's like the first person I ever felt like safe with in that aspect. So how long did you guys date for? Like on the books, like six months. But we were like on and off for like a year and a half I think and then at what point throughout this do you realize that you're pansexual um I don't know like exact timelines but like we would be like dating and then we would just not be on speaking terms and then we'd be dating and we wouldn't be on speaking terms. And I know one of the times I was on set for a job and there was a non-binary person

on set and I was like, wait, I really am interested in them. And then we just started talking more and started just getting more, I guess, educated on non-binary people because I, at the time, didn't have any friends that were non-binary. So I was just like very interested as itself. It was just, well, you tell the audience exactly what non-binary. So I was just like very interested as itself. It was just, well, you tell the audience exactly what non-binary is. Yeah. So non-binary is where you just don't go by a gender and you use like they, them pronouns. And I don't want to speak for non-binary people, but it's kind of like where you don't feel like you're one certain gender. I know some people like going back and forth. Some people just don't feel like either. It's a very, in my opinion, it's like a very free space because you can just very openly be who you are.

And I, yeah, I love that about a person when they can be like that free and open. When you're going through all this, you have a huge social media platform. How are you managing all this? You've got a lot going on with your socials because it's a lot. And I want to talk about the business side. I think it was like never. OK, I guess when I was, you know, gaining my followers on TikTok, it was because I was this blonde beach girl that lived in Florida. And I was just very like to a men's eyes. I was very appealing. And I had a lot of men followers in the beginning. And then I guess a lot of them were homophobic because when I came out, a lot of them did not like it. And at the time, maybe not homophobic,

but maybe they just realized they lost their chance. Yeah. So maybe it was that sense as well. So I was very confused and I was like, wait, what is going on? Like you experienced bullying and hate. Yeah.

100% for men. Yeah yeah and all types of people yeah i never for the for the life of me will understand why anyone cares what anyone's doing with their sexuality who cares i still experience it it's been like two years since i came out you are right though it a lot of it comes from a projection of maybe they're gay. Yeah. You honestly, you never know. You know what I mean? And they're fearful. It's very fear-based. 1000%. When someone's so angry. Yeah. And I remember I came out on social media, like I didn't even know that I came out until the next morning. I guess I was like really tired and I accidentally posted like the wrong video. Then I wake up the next morning. I guess I was really tired and I accidentally posted the wrong

video. Then I wake up the next morning, it's like all these text messages being like, oh my God, congratulations. My best friend was sleeping over at my apartment at the time and she was sleeping in a different room. And she comes up and wakes me up in the morning like, oh my God, congratulations. I was like, what are you talking about? And she's like, you came out. And I was like, no, I didn't. And she's like, go. Yes, you did. You posted came out and I was like no I didn't and she's like go yes you did you posted something and I was like I was so baffled I was like I did not mean to post that last night were you like drunk or were you just tired I was just a wrong video to this day I don't remember posting it and I mean I'm not mad about it I mean it's out there so I was like it's already

been posted for like 12 hours so and so with the business side of what you do, what does that look like? What does the backend look like? I know how much work goes into the, like you got a lot going on. Tell us behind the scenes, creating TikToks of posting all your Instagrams, your stories,

everything else you've got going on, which we're going to talk about in a second. How are you managing all these different moving parts? I have a beautiful assistant named Katie. She's right there. She helps me a lot. I think in the beginning, I mean, I do it because I love it. And I always said the moment I stop loving it, I'm going to stop it entirely. And there was a long time where I was like, OK, I think I'm just going to pull away slowly. And I think genuinely a part of it comes from the fact that I love sharing my life with everyone and like kind of my journey. And I love that it's

like a public diary. So I can look back in two or three years where I'm like, oh my gosh, remember when I lived in New York and I was 20 years old with like all my best friends and, you know, kind of that aspect of things. And I mean, managing it for that aspect aspect I think it's just something that you have to do 24 7 I'm sure you guys know it's like a 24 7 your brain my brain never shuts off from work and I think that is a whole other thing that I talk about in therapy a lot because I don't know how to just be like okay go to sleep now like stop working it's just like a 24 7 all the time what's uh I know you can't give me a day in the life because every day is different. I feel that. But like what's what are some things

that you're doing every day behind the scenes for work? Every day for work, I guess finding like a way to share my life in a way that people can one relate to and one and two almost like come along in a sense where it's like, okay, like they may be at home today, but like they can live my life through their shoes if that makes any sense. So I guess my question is, are you like batching a bunch of content on a Monday or are you just naturally showing it as you go? Definitely more naturally as I go, which I know when you batch all your content, that's way easier to do. But I feel like because I travel, I was in Paris two days ago. I'm here in New York and then I go to Hawaii tomorrow. It's like, how do I batch my content for three

weeks in Paris? It's like, it doesn't really, I mean, if I'm in New York for like three weeks straight, we'll do days where we like take a bunch of content to like post over the next like three or four days. But I also post a lot how often do you post probably like on Instagram like once a day and then on TikTok like four times and Snapchat like 60 times Snapchat yeah do we need to be getting back on Snapchat oh I love Snapchat I am a Snapchat girl till I? Yeah. So are you just getting on there and being like, hey guys, like good morning and like taking it through your day? Basically, yes. Like with the Snapchat team, they love the more like vlog, like this is what I'm doing throughout my day kind of vibe. And I personally like that. I personally like watching that. And I like that you can be

more relatable and more just straight up whereas like an Instagram photo I feel like it's a little bit more curated yeah especially like on Instagram or TikTok but on Snapchat it's just like me walking the streets being like oh my god I got laser hair removal this morning and I cried during it awesome like and it's just kind of like bringing along throughout the day do you dare to say that you like Snapchat better than TikTok and Instagram? Honestly, they're all so different that it's hard because I love sharing my Instagram photos with my cool photo dumps where it's like, this is what I've done the past week. I love TikTok because it's more like videos and I feel like I can talk and have conversations with people. And then I like Snapchat because how real it is in real time being like, oh, up guys you heard it here first you have to get back on Snapchat sorry

another thing to our to-do list oh my gosh I thought you were gonna give me a hack on how to get more things done and you tell me I need to get another yeah it's crazy but I love it so I don't even complain. I'm like, that's fine. A lot of people who are listening are small business owners or they're wanting to maybe break out on social media. With TikTok specifically, what are the tips and tricks? I've always said consistency. Okay.

And now I can understand it's like a lot about audios and like which audios you're using and the trends, which it used to not be like that, which is interesting. But I would say consistency is key. And people on TikTok, it's not Instagram. They don't want to see some like beautiful photo of you on the beach in Cabo. They want to see you being real life at this moment in time, being like, OK, hey, let's go for a day in my life living in New York or as a small business owner. This is like how I package my products or this is how I make my products, which I find really interesting. Products. Is there a product that

you see in your future? Yes. What? Like making my own? Yeah. I've always wanted to make bikinis. That's like always been a huge thing that I've wanted to do just because I feel like there are so many bikini brands but my number one question asked is like where do I get my bikinis I wear a new bikini every single time I go to the beach basically I have thousands of bikinis spread across my different homes I live and I think to find like a reliable I also surf so finding a swimsuit that doesn't have like the ties or like super bunched up or whatever it would be finding just like a reliable sustainable bikini and that's what I want to create eventually you create a bikini for all different days of the month because sometimes I want to wear a bikini

that's more revealing but then I can't wear a bikini that's up my asshole like you know like there's some there's some people that create bikinis and it's like a string yeah where sometimes that's fun sometimes I like doing a string is fun sometimes but other times I just want to like just look flattered and snatch be comfortable I know like even with like the new like leggings that brands are coming out with that have like the technique where it like sinks you in a little bit yeah and I'm like I want to figure out whatever they're doing to that and like make some kind of like high-waisted bikini where it's like okay it's full coverage you can wear it to the beach with like your family you can also wear it surfing and then you can also wear it if you want to be like going sexy with your friends

also I would love if it had like a lymphatic like a what you know how they have those leggings that give you lymphatic drainage while you wear them no i didn't know that we have that with the bikini too are we gonna make that you want like the cargo pants version of bikinis no i don't want a cargo pant i want just something that's really flattering sometimes i feel like bikinis are not made. Like that's not the first. That should be the first. Flatter. Flatter. Even I ordered like five or six swimsuits last week because I'm going to Hawaii tomorrow. And I just tried them on all yesterday.

I'm like, all these are so unflattering on me. Like just the way they're cut and the fabric. I was like, I'm returning all of them. I'm like, I'm never all of them I'm like I'm never gonna wear any of this I also would love if I'm getting very detailed there to be a way you can mix and match so like I have huge boobs on the top but like then on the bottom I might want something different maybe like I want something that's really revealing on the bottom but more coverage on the top do you know what I mean so I could like mix and match exactly I feel like that's also something that a lot of you know people with bigger boobs struggle with. A lot of my

friends back home have like, I just remember she had like huge boobs and she can never find something that was like really securing here, but then like smaller in the back. She always had to buy like two different swimsuits. And I was like, how crazy it would be if you could just mix and match them and figuring out. Yeah. I would love that love that okay so i would love to know some of your beauty tips and tricks okay your eyebrows are erect i love an erect eyebrow like what are what are the secrets that our audience needs to know when it comes to beauty and skin would say finding like a good skin tint is something that i've figured out the past like month or so michael's like, what in the fuck is this?

Listen, I try to keep up in the bikinis part and now I'm in the skin tint. I'm just kind of. No, but I think. I'm here for it, but I'm just, I'll be honest, I'm a little lost. I was going to explain what a skin tint is. Somebody needed to create a map for this episode. No, fully. But I think I have like a lot of like different colors throughout my skin.

And I think a lot of people struggle with that, especially if you're like very sun exposed. So finding one… Because whenever I use foundation, I feel like it just does not either blend well in my skin or it's just so many different colors going on at the same time. So I found like the Milk Makeup one and then the YSL. I think it's just called Skin Tint.

They're both fire. And what's in your brows? They're fine. I knew you were gonna say that it's I bleach my eyebrows all the time and bleach them or dye them back and for the longest time I couldn't find a brow gel that like kept them up I was like my eyebrows aren't that damaged maybe they are but then I found the Patrick Ta and then there were five those are like the two products that still kind of work for me I'm like you okay over there Michael you still breathing yeah well I actually did give him a spoolie because here's the thing when your eyebrows are like going down it pulls the face down so you want to make sure even as a man if you're listening

take note of this that your eyebrows are brushed up in a feathered way because it's going to pull everything up. Let me tell you something. I got two kids now. I'm done. You're not done though because I've seen him brushing his eyebrows up. That's a lie. I mean, I'll make an attempt, but you know. Yeah. Everyone needs a good eyebrow brush. No, I will say though, after I had kids, I started looking at my eyebrows and I started seeing hairs that were just like, it's like a dad eyebrow. And it comes like the second you have kids, it's very concerning.

Really? Yeah. It's alarming. He like tries to talk to me about it. Well, because I look and I'm like, this was never here before I had kids. Like, what is this? We don't even hear about your one long eyebrow hair that you had. Like, I'm going to throw up.

All of a sudden you're that guy that's on like the rocking chair with like the eyebrows that are like hanging down over your eyes. Yeah. You could use the Refine. I'm sorry. It is. I can't. It's biology. We'll send you some Refine products. you could use the i'm sorry it is i can't it's biology we'll send you some refined products you could use refined i'm not joking by coming up

they're gonna be up here yeah and you also don't want to get them laminated because i feel like the lamination makes them break off so yeah i used to get my eyebrows and lashes laminated and last they like broke off half my eyelashes and they like don't work on my eyebrows anymore. Like laminated how you laminate like a paper? Kind of. Yeah. Kind of. They like put like permanent gel that like keeps them permanently up. Yeah.

Maybe I should get that. Then I don't have to worry about the spoolie. Yeah. Then your eyebrow hair would be in your hairline because it's so low. Listen, it all, this thing falls down, these go up. I'm fucked up okay doing a transition what what advice do you have for someone who's listening that wants to come out or is curious would you tell them to explore how can people be liberated through their sexuality I think first of all, explore. For me personally, I didn't come out until I like

1000% knew I was bisexual or like I liked women. I was like, I need to do the deed. I need to figure out if I like this or not, because I think having an emotional attachment to somebody is completely different than having a physical interaction with them. So I think first of all, explore. Second of all, be easy on yourself. Like it's hard. Like I remember looking back at this time in my life where I was so hard on myself because I didn't know. And I was like, I had so much self-hate

because I couldn't figure it out. I was like, why don't I want to hook up with anyone? But every time I do't figure it out. I was like, why don't I want to hook up with anyone? But every time I do think about it, I envision like a femininity person, but I didn't want to accept the fact that like I just crave women at the time. And I think also just advice is especially for coming out. I know a lot of people get scared to come out. I was terrified. I was shaking. I was crying. I didn't tell my mom I think I was dating my girlfriend for like a month or so before I even told her that I was like hey by the way I have a girlfriend and was she supportive and what is a strong word she wasn't like mad

the generation maybe above us is a little repressed our generation is a little more open yeah you know what I mean? One thousand percent. Like when I told all my friends, they were like, oh my gosh, wait, like congratulations. Like even my sister was like screaming on the phone. And then when I told my mom, she just was like, oh, okay, nice. And then I just never came out to my dad. I just sent him a shirt that said your daughter's gay. What did he say? We never talked about it I just brought him around my girlfriend and it just it felt so weird in the beginning beginning because I felt like I was bringing my like friend around and then I would like kiss her and then I'd be like wait it's like it was definitely

something that we like all had to get used to over a period of time you mentioned off air about and I'm probably gonna flub, but you said femininity, feminine energy. What did you say off air? Something about stepping in. Oh, femininity and like the LGBTQ. Yes. Explain what you meant by that. I think another thing that struggles, a lot of people struggle with, with coming out is, I know at least for me, I didn't want to come out because I didn't think I fit the stereotype of somebody who was quote

unquote lesbian or gay or whatever your term would be. And I think our world has almost put like a stereotypical like image of what you're supposed to look like. I totally agree with you. And that's why even for the longest time I was like, like no I'm not like I don't fit in this box I don't fit in this label and then once you realize that it's not it's not a label it there's not a box there's you can just be you and love whoever you want to and if people are gonna get mad at you because you don't look a certain way well you can be pretty femme and you can love women it's all the same thing I feel like that needs to be a theme for everything, though. Like, not everything is wrapped in a perfect bow in a box. And people, there's all different strokes for different folks.

One thousand percent. How do you deal with all the trolls that are on TikTok? It hurts. It definitely does sometimes. My question to everyone is why even read the comments? Oh, yeah. I definitely go through phases where I just don't like, especially if I'm posting a certain something about whatever it would be. It's like I would rather just turn the

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Topgolf. It's golf. It's not golf. It's Topgolf. I look at comments as a room. You have to just shut the door and not go in the room. Because the problem is the second you go in the room, you're fucked. It's going to ruin your day. 1,000%. And I think it just honestly hurts just reading those things about yourself. And I think regardless of if it's one comment, if it's 500 million comments, you don't need to read that negativity about yourself. You should be reading love. And if you're not experiencing that love on your social media, you don't need to be looking at it. You kind of alluded to this earlier, but have you ever just felt like you just need a break? Like Selena Gomez just gets off TikTok.

She's not on TikTok or excuse me, social media. She just off. She took a break. You could tell that she had enough for a minute. Do you ever feel like that? Yes. I definitely go through phases where I'm like, okay, I'm going to stop for a little bit or not even necessarily stop, but just like not pay attention. Like I'll still post, but then I just won't look at literally anything because I'm like, my mental cannot handle just being on the platform. And I think it sucks when you're just constantly getting reminded of negativity throughout your day. You're like, oh, you're cleaning in your apartment. Well, let me go on Instagram for a few minutes. Let's see what's going on. And then your day kind of just gets shut down and you're like, oh, well, that was very demeaning. People can be mean. We've seen that with the Internet.

Yes. Do you have anything that you do daily, like in your routine in the morning and the night? Any products that you go to, anything that you eat specifically that you love? Like what are your things that you do on a day to day basis? I think definitely when you wake up in the morning, I am severely addicted to caffeine. But before I have any type of caffeine, I have like a full thing of water. I think that is so...

Yeah, drink your water. I think what people don't realize is the simple things that we were taught so much in our life are the things that actually are the most important. Sleep. People shut sleep off like it's no big deal.

They're like, oh, I'll get like five hours of sleep. It's okay. No, the average person, they say you should be getting eight hours of sleep for a reason. You know, eating three balanced meals, like getting your certain fruits, getting your certain vegetables. I know it sounds like such a mom thing to say, and I feel so like old when I say this but I'm like you don't realize how much of like your anxiety or your sadness or just like your mix of emotions are coming from the lack of the nutrients that you're getting through your food or through your sleep or whatever it would be and how much you're messing your hormones up yeah and I'm like you're we're growing up teenagers I'm like our body is supposed to be taking in these nutrients from certain foods or

from you know going out in the sun or whatever it would be and when you're lacking your body from those certain things like i went literally six months of my life with getting like three to four hours of sleep at night i was so mentally just not myself why because I was just going through it and I so you were so you were stressed about something and it was keeping you awake not even that but I thought like this also goes with the validation part I thought I needed to like go out every small night and go to all these crazy parties to feel like in if that makes like to feel like inside of a group or to feel like I had friends and then once I realized hey this is actually the inflammation thing that we were talking about that's when I realized I was storing so much inflammation throughout my body and I didn't

understand why and this like led to like a whole other part of my eating disorder I thought it was like because what I was eating or whatnot. So I just like lacked myself from eating for a while. And then I realized it's honestly better to eat three meals a day, get six to eight hours sleep a night and drink. I try to drink like a gallon of water a day. You know, it just differs on the day. But if you can drink a gallon of water a day, that itself makes you so much happier. And it's crazy, but you just have to honestly try it for like a week straight and see how much happier you feel at the end of the week. It's crazy.

Well, I want to hear about your announcement that you're making. Tell us what's going on with Sports Illustrated. Oh, wait, what do you mean? I feel like it's kind of an announcement, right? We have to hold the podcast, right? Oh, yeah. Well, just the fact that Sports Illustrated is coming out in May, their May issue. And I don't know anything about it yet.

I shot it a few months ago and I honestly haven't even seen the photos. So I have no idea what's coming out. And they don't share it with you before they publish it they don't anything you just see it when everybody else so you don't know anything of what it's gonna be no okay honest be honest with this answer what is the actual you said you had two weeks to prep what are you actually doing like is like the first time really really really what are you doing yeah the first time that I found out, I think I was 18 at the time. Maybe I was 19. I'm not exactly sure.

But I found out two weeks before I was going to my shoot. And I've struggled with eating disorders my entire life. And I know for those two weeks, I was like, you are going to eat every single day. Like, you, I, like, made a pact with myself. I was like, you are not going to try to slim yourself down in two weeks because for me, my body, that's just not realistically possible. I can't necessarily slim down that much in two weeks of like what I was expecting to do. So I honestly just like kept eating the same. I was working out like every single day.

I didn't go out. I was sleeping like freaking crazy. And then I just went on the set. And then the second year, so this past year that I shot for them, I think I found out like a month or so in advance. Are you eating vegan? Are you eating lots of meat? Are you eating fruits and vegetables? Like what are you eating? Currently right now, I'm eating a lot of meat, like protein, protein, protein, protein, protein. I love meat. Yeah. I think that just comes from like there's like a carnivore diet

I love meat and that's like what I'm trying to do right now because I think for so long I was like lacking myself of that because I was like no that's like too much food to be having but now I'm just like I can eat literally steak

every school meal in my life I will be doing that wow Olivia that's like what I like to eat too a lot of we too a lot we get a lot of shit for saying that you ever tried really force of nature oh my god you guys if you eat meat it's the best meat it's like all the like boxes are you know they put some of their stuff they put like blends of organs so like instead of just eating like liver it'll be with like ground beef so it gives you like the stuff but you don't have to just like eat a piece of

liver right it's like just kind of blended in the meat. That's great. Yeah, I've never tried that before. My friends in Hawaii, they all do like these crazy carnivore diets. And I just see how like ripped they are and just how like much energy they have just with not even like needing caffeine. And I'm like, what are y'all doing over here? Because I eat a pretty balanced diet and I still do not feel like that.

And then I started doing a carnivore diet when I was there. And I was like, I felt a huge balanced diet and I still do not feel like that. And then I started doing a carnivore diet when I was there. And I was like, I felt a huge difference within like five days. I was like, wait, it's crazy. You feel so different. And also I like, I'll go back. We live in Austin and I'll go back to LA and get my hair done. And my hairstylist, this is fake hair right now, but my hairstylist will be like what is going on with your ponytail it's so much thicker it's the aminos well it's not just means it's the collagen it's like it's everything it grows your nails it grows your hair like it it this is my experience like don't need a negative review from people that are going to get mad this is just my experience but

it makes my eyebrows thicker like i just notice my skin all these different things from a beauty perspective it'll make your jaw structure stronger too really yeah well think about it you're chewing oh interesting you just suck down a smoothie all day your jaw's gonna go away so you like meat a lot of meat yeah which i like just starved myself of that for basically a year and a half so it's really nice and that I'm, like, just focusing on, like, the highest protein I can get. Because if you really think about it, protein fills you up for the longest period of time rather than, like, carbs. And I thought before, like, eating, like, a bowl of pasta was going to be, like, the best thing for me, like, every single meal. And then it got to the point where I, like, started doing more research about it. And so I've been, like, okay,

let's dive more into, like, how this is going on. And I think when I had my eating disorder at the worst, worst possible place that I had it, I went to this trainer and she basically sat me down and explained food like in a very scientific way, being like, this is the amount of protein that you're getting from this amount of food. If you eat just this one piece of steak, you will be full for X amount of hours versus if you eat this bowl of pasta, you're going to be hungry 30 minutes later. I'm like, interesting how that works. Then I started trying it and I was like, wait, I just ate and I'm starving again because I had a bowl of pasta. But then I just got, I went and ate a steak and I wasn't hungry for like an hour or two after.

It's also like an old bodybuilding trick. If you start to have sugar cravings and you instead put a bunch of protein in your sugar craving will go away. So it kind of forces you also, it doesn't force you, but it puts you in a position where you don't really want that sugary food anymore. Exactly. And I think that's something that I struggle with is I have a huge sweet tooth and I love sugar. I growing growing up, would eat like spoonfuls of like powdered sugar out of just my pantry. Like that's, I love that. I still will do it. I'm so guilty of it. But I think like with what you're saying, like I would have my protein as my dinner and I'd be like, wait, like I'm actually not even craving that anymore. Or if I do, I'll like substitute

that with like a different type of snack rather than being like, oh, I'm going to go have a bowl of ice cream. It's like I tell myself, I'm like, OK, you're obviously still hungry. Let's go eat something else that has higher protein in it. And if you're still hungry after that or you want your sugar, you can have it. But obviously, you're hungry enough to the point that you can go eat this. You can be hungry to like go eat something that's going to fill you up. I think, too, it's so weird is that once you start eating meat, you start craving meat like sometimes for breakfast this is so crazy that I'm even saying this I'll eat like a bowl

of ground beef oh and I would have never done that two years ago I know like even with my burritos it used to be just like eggs like hash browns and then like the past I mean whenever I'm in New York I have like these huge burritos with like steak sausage bacon avocado and I'm in New York, I have like these huge burritos with like steak, sausage, bacon, avocado. And I'm like, wait, fire. It's weird. It's like you want it more and more and more. But also like when you have that, like if you start your day with protein, it kicks everything off. It kicks your metabolism off, kicks your energy off. It's important. It's like some people start, if you start with a bunch of carbs and like sugars, you're just sluggish throughout the whole day. Fully, fully. I can't wait for the flattering bikini line that i hope i'm so excited we literally came up with this idea like a week ago okay i i can't wait so who knows when it's gonna come out i'm sure a lot of people are already following

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