The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Paige DeSorbo On The Juicy Details, Beauty & Fashion Tips, BTS Of Reality TV, & Her Future On Television

Episode Date: December 18, 2023

#637: Today, we're sitting down with Summer House's Paige DeSorbo. Paige started off on Summer House in 2017 and quickly rose to fame, beginning a podcast with her best friend about anything from pop culture to fashion trends. Today, we sit down to have a conversation about all things related to the rise of Paige DeSorbo. We discuss everything from her childhood and moving to NYC as a child to how she got her start on Summer House and the dynamics of reality television. Paige dives into what the behind-the-scenes of reality TV is like, how she navigates the dynamic between her castmates, and her dating life on the show. She also gives the audience her best style tips to always look put together and ready for any event. To connect with Paige DeSorbo click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To subscribe to our YouTube Page click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential. Our products are now available at Revolve! Click HERE to start shopping. This episode is brought to you by Sunglass Hut Head over to Sunglass Hut and discover the special selection of shades in store and on sunglasshut.com. There’s the perfect gift for everyone this holiday. This episode is brought to you by Branch Basics The Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit will provide you with everything you need to replace all of your toxic cleaning products in your home. It’s really a no-brainer. Go to branchbasics.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off their starter kit and free shipping. This episode is brought to you by Cymbiotika Cymbiotika is a health supplement company, designing sophisticated organic formulations that are scientifically proven to increase vitality and longevity by filling nutritional gaps that result from our modern day diet. Use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your purchase at cymbiotika.com This episode is brought to you by Vegamour Give your hair the power of the little pink bottle. Visit vegamour.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY at checkout to recieve 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by WeightWatchers WeightWatchers is the #1 doctor recommended weight-management program and the trusted authority in evidence based weight-health. Visit ww.com/tsc to see if you qualify, and if you do, used code TSC25 to get one free month plus $25 off your second month. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog It's never been easier to invest in your dog's health with fresh food. Get 50% off your first box & free shipping by going to thefarmersdog.com/skinny Produced by Dear Media

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Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Conf ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. I had zero plan because I had no idea what to expect. I didn't know if someone was going to like tell me what to do. So when I pull up to the house, they like put a mic on me

and they're like, okay, go. And I go, go where though? They're like, go into the house. And so you walk in and you kind of wait for someone to say hi to you. In the first, I would say 30 minutes, I went into the bathroom and I called my mom and I said, I think I'm going to faint. Like I shouldn't have done this. This is not for me. I don't, I don't like it at all. And by the end of the weekend, I had met like Hannah and I was like, no, this feels right. I just there's something about her. This is like going to be my best friend forever. Hannah was like, for sure, my security blanket through it. I have been wanting to interview Paige on the show for a long time. I feel like she was such a breakout star of Summer House. I immediately liked her. I liked

her energy. I liked her vibe. I liked her style. When she came on to Summer House, I had been a fan of the show. And she came, I want to say in like season three. And immediately I was like, this girl is funny. She's interesting. She's sort of like the voice of reason for the show. I was also so happy when Paige appeared on my television screen for Southern Charm. She's dating Craig, who is like one of the stars of the show. And I always look out for scenes with Paige. On this episode, Paige dives into what the behind the scenes of reality TV is like, how she navigates the dynamic between her castmates, style, dating life. She also gives so many good tips, and she talks about her top podcast, Giggly Squad. I like this episode

because it's multifaceted. It goes everywhere. It's funny, it's informative, and you get great style tips. On that note, let's welcome Paige to the Him and Her Show. This is the skinny confidential Him and Her. Paige, I have wanted to interview you for so long. I feel like I followed you for so long. I mean, right when I saw you on Summer House, I'm like, she has it. Wait, I need, because I have all of your products, obviously, because. I brought you balls.

Okay, wait, I need the drops. The drop, yeah, of course. Okay. Because I was like, wait, obviously because I brought you balls okay wait I need the drops the drop yeah of course okay because I was like wait how do I not have these we'll get you the drops okay because you're you're flying you're flying just to southern charm you gotta you gotta how did I not know this was a thing she needs the drop I need the drops I have wanted to interview you since I saw you on the show there's something to me as a viewer that was really sparkly about you like thank you when you came in the house it was like a sparkly energy and i literally said to michael she's gonna be famous you know oh my gosh thank you you just have it thank you yeah you have sauce yeah yeah it's the sauce it's the swagger yeah you gotta have the sauce yeah you just have it so now to have you on

the podcast it's like very full circle. I want to go back to before you were famous. What were you like when you were little? Probably the same. I loved attention and napping. I was always a great sleeper. So when I was younger, I was actually a child model. So that's limited to. Yeah, I was limited to Easy Bake easy bake oven like I did like when I was like 12 13 I did like all like teen novel covers so like anything on like the reading list that summer like I was typically on the cover it was very surreal but at that time I never wanted anyone to know so like no one knew I modeled my whole life probably until I was in like sixth or seventh grade when limited to came out because every girl got that to their house like before school started

so I was a child model and I didn't really ever do like sports or anything like that was kind of my thing and that's how I fell in love with like New York City and knew like okay one day I'm going to move to New York City I thought I was like gonna be a model and then I would I'm five three so that wasn't happening where did you grow up though I grew up in upstate New York in Albany so my mom would drive me down she would like pull me out of school drive me down like two hours I would do stuff and then I would go back home maybe that's why this is really weird you sort of like looked familiar to me yeah i had got a lot of that i'm not i can't put my finger on it but like easy bake oven limited to these are all things i had like that's i'm like flashing back maybe there was like a familiar yes about because

limited to that was like the bible when that got delivered to your house i have no idea what limited to is i'm trying to keep up men would never get the feeling like now i think about it like if limited to was still around i feel like i'd go in that store and buy everything because you would like go into a trance when you were younger and you blow up couch i can't the sticker machine the phone that you could like see all the wires inside just i know those things i know I know the wire phone. No, no, no, Michael. Don't try to get on board with limited to you. Literally, I'll be right back.

I'll be back in a couple of minutes. OK, so so other than modeling going to school, what what was your childhood like? You're very close with your mother. Yeah, extremely close with my family. We I like I said, I grew up in upstate New York and it was I have an older brother. We're very Italian. My mom's 100 percent Italian. So very like close knit. And I was really like the first one to move away. And you would have thought like I moved across the country to like a different

country. I moved two, two and a half hours away, but it was a big adjustment. And my dad or my mom kind of had to convince my dad after I graduated college to let me go. And my dad or my mom kind of had to convince my dad after I graduated college to let me go. And my dad said, OK, you have a year in New York City. And if you don't figure it out in a year, you're coming home. And so when I first moved here for the first six months, I mean, I did nothing like I partied. I went out. I was like, because I lived at home for college. So I had never been on my own. And then I got a job at ABC News. And that was my first job. And I always wanted to be a broadcast journalist and thought like I was going to be like a

news reporter. You kind of are in a way now a news reporter. Right. But like then it was like you moved to the middle of nowhere. You did it yourself and like on a farm. And I was like, I'm not doing that. Like I have to move to New York. And that was like right when Instagram was like people were getting Instagram famous. And I was like, I feel like I could do this. And so I worked as an assistant for like two years. And then that's when I got

the opportunity for Summer House. Did you always know when you were little that you were sort of destined for fame because of the modeling and you're moving to New York City? Like you strike me as someone who has sort of like a natural confidence. I will say I loved like being the center of attention like in my household. Like I'd be up on the kitchen table like singing and dancing and being like, mom, record me like I and I would always be like on my true Hollywood story. Like, this is what they're going to say. So growing up, I always thought like, oh, maybe I'll be like an actress or I'll be something. And then as I got older, I was like, OK, I'm probably not going to be famous, but I like the camera stuff. So that's why I went for broadcast journalism. Never in my wildest did I ever want to be on a reality TV show or thought that I would be on a reality TV show at all. Like even when I got it, I was like, absolutely not. Why do that for like how confident I would I think I am'm equally as sensitive. And the first thing that popped in my head was like,

I don't think I'd be able to handle this amount of people not liking me if that were to happen. And so I was really scared about that. And my dad gave me the best advice. He said, look, do it for one year. And if you hate it, you never have to do it again. I'll get you out of it.

Like, don't worry about whatever contract you're signing. I'll get you out of it. Don't worry about whatever contract you're signing. I'll get you out of it. How does your dad do? Literally, I don't think he could have. But just your dad saying that, you're like, okay, my dad will figure it out. I will take care of that Iron Man contract. Basically, that's what he said. He was like, I'll take care of it.

But he was like, but if you don't do it, you'll never know. You don't want to look back and be like, what if I did that show? And so that's why I did it. So are you approached by Bravo or is it something you like audition for or does someone recommend you? How does the process work? It's more of a casting company

reaches out to a bunch of people. So like Summer House hired this casting company. I think they found like a bunch of just girls Instagrams in New York and they had reached out to one of my girlfriends at the time and interviewed her and asked her, you know, like, do you have any other friends that you think would be good for the show? And she gave my name. I did an interview and then I heard nothing like silence. And I was like, you know what? Everything happens for a reason. I wasn't meant to get this I feel fine that I didn't

get it and then it was June like two weeks before the show was starting I was packing to like go away for a wedding with my boyfriend like my boyfriend who was like at the time wasn't my boyfriend but it was going to be and they called me and they were like, look, we had two girls drop out and we want you to film this show, but you have to sign a contract today if you want to do it. Oh, that's that's a tactic. Full on tactic. But I didn't know that then I was 25. So I was like, OK. So I called my parents, told them what happened, signed it and then started packing for my first weekend of Summer House. Had no like idea what was going to happen. Didn't really even know anyone on the show. When you're walking into that house, that's intimidating.

Beyond. But I also think- Do they film every minute of every day? They do. Summer House is 24-7 surveillance. They're filming when you're in the bathroom. There's no area to go away and escape? There are no cameras in the bathroom. But if you're in the bathroom with another person, they can come in.

But there's not surveillance in the bathroom. So it's kind of real world. It's very real world. Yeah. So that's why when the Southern Charm guys came and filmed Winter House, they were like, what is this? Because we're never not filming. Because they're used to just doing like-

They're used to filming and then you go home at night and then that's it. You'll film again the next day. But once we step foot in the house, that's it, we're filmed until we leave. And is it like an environment where as it goes on, you just kind of almost forget that you're being- A hundred percent.

And whenever I would hear reality TV people say that, like, oh, you forget the cameras are there. I'd be like, you're being a hundred percent and whenever i would hear reality tv people say that like oh you forget the cameras are there i'd be like you're stupid like well then open your eyes like i was like there's no way that happens i would be mewing the whole time in the first weekend i forgot that they were there how you just kind of get like accustomed to people being around and i will say when I first walked into the house, I didn't think about there being lights. Like I just didn't think about it, but there's lights all on the ceiling because they have that.

That's nice though, because you get a little filter. But isn't it when you go into bedrooms, there's like not even, it's like just like surveillance cameras, no? Yeah. How am I thinking that wrong? No, there are.

There's, they're in the corner. And so when I first walked in. That's what I would forget. I'd be like, there's no way. Yeah. And they get like 10 p.m. The big camera guys. Like, that's it.

They're done. And it's just the surveillance. And then it's just surveillance. When you walk into the house, though, and there's all these like girls and dynamics and like it's like an onion in there. Yeah. How what was your plan to walk in? And then what was it actually like walking in?

I had zero plan because I had no idea what to expect. I didn't know if someone was going to like tell me what to do. So when I pull up to the house, they like put a mic on me and they're like, OK, go. And I go, go where, though? They're like, go into the house. And I was like, but and do what? And they were like, what? Like, just go. And so you walk in and you kind of wait for someone to say hi to you. In the first, I would say, 30 minutes, I went into the bathroom and I called my mom and I said, I think I'm going to faint. Like, I shouldn't have done this. This is not for me. I don't I don't like it at all. I relate to you. This is how I would react. And she was like, OK, just get through this weekend.

And then you don't have to go back. You won't go back. And by the end of the weekend, I had met Hannah. And I was like, no, this feels right. I just, there's something about her. This is going to be my best friend forever. Hannah was comfortable. Yeah. Hannah was for sure my security blanket through it.

Who was not comfortable? I mean, we can see when we watch, but who was not comfortable to you? Well, I think because the show, it wasn't the first season. I came on for the third season and they were having problems with the second season. They kind of needed new people. I felt just like a little bit of an energy from the first season people of like, OK, who are you? Who do you think you are coming onto our show? Which now looking back, I get for sure.

But it was definitely intimidating because they all knew what was going on. And it's kind of like when you're in high school, like they're seniors and then the freshmen come in and you're like, you don't know anything. Exactly. And that's exactly how it felt. So you kind of felt like you had to earn your place on the cast. And me and Hannah got so close. Sometimes I almost felt like, oh, do they resent that we got so close or like that people like us? And so it's a very tricky dynamic to like navigate. There's also an undertone that i feel as a viewer of hierarchy like behind the scenes for sure i can feel like there's like the king of the castle it's like game of thrones vibes like but that's not showcased on television you can just tell like certain people are put on a pedestal yeah one's got a notepad out when this stuff's going on. I love it.

No, I've always said that there should be a reality show about the people that make reality shows because our COVID season that we were like all locked in the house together, our whole crew like was fighting and wasn't talking to each other. So producers would come in and be like, okay, like what's going on? And I'd be like, no, no, what's going on on with you guys because it doesn't seem like you're speaking they like wouldn't tell

us because you know they're not like our real like legit friends like technically they're like our producers but so we would never know the gossip but we could tell like something was happening and but also there's an energy within the cast that you can feel off camera. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, I always say like, it's like any group of friends. If you get 12 people in a room,

obviously certain people are gonna be closer to other people. Like it's not, you know, it's not like we're all gonna be best friends all the time. We would be an absolute disaster we go to a party for an hour and a half and leave as quickly

that's why I would be in the bed that's why I'd be in the bed watching summer house no it would be like Michael you're staying in this house for 12 hours with the same people

I'm like listen I usually am out I ghost I do the Irish goodbye hour and a half people are wondering what happened to this guy and people will always say

like how do you guys not get hung over like we never see you guys hung over and I'm like you complain about me being in the bed that's me being hung over like we're drinking all weekend yeah and so i'm like i need like a minute why do they complain about you being in the bed oh god you this is let's write a thesis on this hold on michael you gotta get with it you could write a whole dissertation. I will watch the show, but I'm maybe not up to the point of like the follow-up of people being-

This is a big theme. I don't want to say it's the persona they gave me because I am in fact the one in the bed. But they've, like anytime we're gossiping or whatever,

all the girls, we just like get in the bed and talk because there's just so many places in the house you can go. What are you going to do to go like sit on the couch and like cross your legs with a spot of tea?

Like you're at home. Right. Actually, like I can see why. Now that I've met you, though, I got this weird thing where like I can't get fully vested until I meet the person. Whenever somebody comes on that is on one of these shows. Yeah. And I watch and I will view as a casual viewer.

When I meet someone now, I'm going to be screaming at the TV and yelling. And if somebody comments, I would be like, hey, what the fuck are you talking about? You know what I mean? She just needs her rest.

People do get viscerally mad that you're in the bed, though. It's like hysterical. It's so, honestly, though, if that's the worst thing, then I'll take it. You're going to see me

in the comment section fighting with people now. If that's what they're the most mad at me for, like, fine. On the show, I feel like you're the voice of reason i try sometimes but there are definitely times where i've like regretted certain things i've said or like you get just caught up in the moment but i try and look at every situation a little bit more logically yes sometimes i'm even like wow you held your tongue yeah I'm like I

don't know how she held her tongue there are sometimes too yeah where I'm like I could have gone I could have gone harder are you like thoughtful and like strategic when it comes to that or do you is there no strategy and you just show up as yourself you kind of have to you kind of learn that with trial and error like obviously, the first time I was on the show, I walked in and I was like, okay, what are people going to think of me watching this? But you genuinely can't be anything but yourself because you can lie to the people around you,

but there's something about the camera that if you're lying, people immediately pick up on it. And it's just a very odd thing. Well, I think it's like people recognize like all the body language and all of that. Yeah. So you really can't put on a persona too much. And also you have nothing to do with editing. Like we have nothing to do with it.

So how long are you filming for? So we start typically the first weekend in july and we film every single weekend until labor day so your whole summer is there wow yes i didn't realize it was that that's a lot of work i haven't had like a summer summer since i was 25 yeah that's a lot of work like you can never just charge off and go to the you know you're got it you're in that house you're in that house just for the weekends then we're in the city during the week and we're filming during the week probably like two days a week so it's a full yeah but how much physical time do you have to actually be in that house from like a i guess from like just like a straight like how many nights in a row do you

have to stay in there when you're there two okay except there are times where we'll have a long weekend like and we'll have a party like a fourthth of July that will typically leave like that Monday. Okay. I got it. At what point do you meet Craig? And talk to me about your boyfriends before. Like I want to know like the trajectory of the meeting of Craig. Like I saw you dating someone before Craig on the show.

So I actually, the reason I did the show, I was 25. I'll never forget this. I was dating a guy. We were on and off. It was like a classic mid-20s relationship that like changes you as a person. And he said to me, if you do this show, I'll never speak to you again. So I was like, and that's it. And I'm doing the show.

Well, also like that's so controlling. Just it was a very 25-year-old vibe. It was like we would get back at each other, but it was kind of like the push I needed to feel confident to do it. And I don't I'm so thankful for him. Yeah, thank God. I should send a thank you note. And then two years into being on the show, I started dating my next boyfriend who didn't love the idea of his girlfriend or potential wife being on a reality show and i understood it to a certain extent except that he started dating me and i was already on the show so it's like you knew who you knew what you were getting into type of thing also you had

started to form your career outside of the show like there was a lot of opportunity from your perspective he like knew what he was signing up for yeah basically and he was older than me and he wanted to settle down and i totally understood that and ultimately i just wasn't ready we were in two totally different spots of our lives i definitely contemplated not being on the show anymore and like getting engaged and kind of going in a different way. But I literally broke out into hives one night. And that was like my sign. I was like, wow, my body's really trying to tell me something. And we broke up like the next day. I just knew it didn't feel right. While I was dating him, we were filming an episode of Summer House and it was Kyle's birthday and Craig came to the birthday party. And that's where I first met him. But I

had a boyfriend at the time, so we didn't really speak at all. Did you think it was hot? Had such a crush on him, but obviously knew who he was. Where is where is um the italian guy in all this he's not even around yet got it we're still he's nowhere to be found fast forward two years we all do winter house craig's in a relationship so i don't even acknowledge him really that's where the italian guy comes in that was his first season. And then a year later, me and Craig started dating basically. I get you and Craig so much. I get it. I think when you guys got together, I think you guys, I mean, you don't have to say anything, but I think you guys are 100% going to get married. Thank you. It's because I think what it was for me, this is so weird

because I love my reality TV. I've seen both of your shows separately and so when you guys got together it was like two friends that you set up that made sense yes like it just works like when I met him I felt I just felt something different and my mom even said when I would talk about him I was like a classic any date I would ever go on I'd be like oh my god I just met my husband like I'm literally marrying him and when I would talk about him, I was like a classic any date I would ever go on. I'd be like, oh, my God, I just met my husband. Like, I'm literally marrying him. And when I started talking about Craig, I didn't say any of that. And my mom was like, wait, I actually think this is real because usually you'll call me and be like, oh, my God, I met my husband. And she'll be like, oh, did he ask you any questions about yourself? And I'd be like, no. And she's like,

that's not your husband. And with Craig, it was just different. I don't I can't explain it. It just felt different. It kind of parallels with your friendship with Hannah. There's something comfortable about it. Something so comfortable. And I think coming from a relationship where I was almost like embarrassed that I was on reality TV and almost felt like a little bit trashy that I was on it. And then to start dating someone who was like, oh my God, everybody loves you. You're so good. You're so funny.

Like to just go from that to like this praise felt so different. And like for him to get, we basically have the same job, him to get certain things that I couldn't explain to someone who has never filmed a reality show. There's just certain things you wouldn't understand. And so like we had that going that I think was really important.

It did seem like, again, this is all as a viewer, but it did seem like the people you were with before Craig felt that they were like above reality television, sort of like an elitist and a lot of people dismissive of what you were doing, which to me is it's so crazy that someone can be dismissive of what you're doing because you've taken it and really ran with it with everything you're doing, which we're going to get to. Yeah, but there was like you could tell there was like a dismissiveness towards you. And that makes total sense that because Craig was on a reality television show, he understood. And I almost feel like now sometimes that's why I'm almost a little bit too intense with Craig, where I'm like, I'm not ready to get married. I don't want to. I want to like focus on my career for like a little bit longer because I was in those previous relationships where I didn't ever like put myself first or my career first and I feel

like so strongly about it now being in my 30s and Craig might get like you know the brunt of that a little bit but it's so important to me to like be so independent because i had those relationships where i wasn't like i wasn't treated like an equal i was very much treated like a girlfriend who's not as successful and like yeah she's just there i think a lot of really strong confident successful women can attract these men that try to put them back in the jack in the box. Yeah. And stuff them back in. I don't think it's that as much as. Oh, here he goes. No, I don't think it's like you're attracting those kind of men.

I think a lot of men have a difficult time having a relationship with somebody who's potentially as successful or more successful than them. And it's like, I mean, if you think about like social contracts, I think a lot of people grow up with an example of like the dad being the breadwinner and the mom, you know, that's changed obviously. I think a lot of men just can't handle with the fact that maybe they're not the one that is going to be in the limelight or being the breadwinner. You know what I mean?

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Like, so he basically was like totally dismissing you and shitting on you to make himself look better. In that moment, I was like, wow, you kind of just ruined such a first time moment for me and made it about you. And I like I should have known then. But yeah, no, Craig's Craig's the right guy. Yeah. So when you and Craig start dating, were you guys secretive about it? How did you go about like deciding what to do with that yeah so we like officially we had started dating probably like a juicy sound bite that one of the tablets like see like if there's something I've never said before we had started dating scandalous in September and we didn't people didn't really find out until like

two months later really and it was bravo that was like winter house was coming out and they were like we would like for you to say it in press during winter house press because we hadn't said anything on instagram i'm sure they would those and we were kind of like look if you want us to we will but we kind of like that no one knows yet so then finally like we did say it, but people didn't, people like didn't love it at first, which I'm actually kind of happy about because I think it made Craig and I way closer in the beginning of our relationship than we probably would have been because we kind of had like an equal, we're like, oh, everyone kind of hates us.

What's the first date he takes you on like what's the first moment that you guys fell in love like your first kiss like what was your first things that you did that we didn't get to see as a viewer so we actually went our first date legitimately was on camera and they never aired it what yeah and we were so surprised by it because I remember filming that scene and being like wait this I can't wait to like watch this back and they never aired the full thing they did like a flashback to it it was so bizarre but so that our first date was legitimately on camera and I was so nervous like I remember putting like a dirty martini down on the table and my hands were shaking like that's how nervous I was

why were you so nervous I think because like I also not only was I filming this first date but I was legitimately on a first date with someone and like I liked him and then to have like eight people just watching it is like so nerve-wracking and then you also think like okay like if this doesn't work out, like am I embarrassing myself? Like does it, do I like him way more than he likes me? Like what are people going to think?

So you kind of, there's so many other things you think about rather than just like being nervous on a first date. Were you on Summer House or Winter House when this is happening? Summer House. And does he ask you out? Like how do we get to the date did he ask you

out did he start flirting with you on camera no okay now i like can't even think how it even started how that even started i think it's gonna come on the podcast we're gonna okay yeah we need to yeah but prior to like filming that summer i would say it was like may may like right before memorial day and he called me and he was like do, May, like right before Memorial Day. And he called me and he was like, do you want to come down for the weekend? And that was like the first time we had hung out by ourselves. And I stayed for the whole weekend. And then that summer we kind of talked, but he was doing his own thing. And then I was filming the show. I was kind of doing my own thing. And then by the time it was September, I'm not'm not gonna lie I gave him a little bit of like an

ultimatum by the end of the summer and I was like look we can either keep going and that's fine that's like lovely that would be amazing or we can stop you can stop doing what you're doing and we can like legitimately date so it's either like we're dating or like i gotta go good that's i love an ultimatum yeah when you when you go to is it south carolina or north carolina okay south carolina god but southern charm sorry kind of they're the same wow there we go okay when you go go to South Carolina and it's completely different from New York City, you can feel like that you're like, this is different. Yeah. What was that like?

Because you're also like, it's like you're almost going from one reality show to another that has its own set of dynamics and it's completely different energy and environment. I'm going to be honest. I went to an all girls high school. So I know when like a girl doesn't like me. And I think going down and filming Southern Charm, I was so nervous that the girls weren't going to like me because I was coming essentially like onto their show. I didn't want them to think like, OK, I'm coming on now and like now this is my show like I tried to keep a really like a boundary of how much I was getting involved in and how much of a presence I actually was on

am on Southern Charm because I didn't ever want anyone to feel like I was stepping on their toes and also it's hard to like make girlfriends in general, especially in your 30s. So I am just always nervous about that. I think like I never wanted the girls to dislike me and I never wanted to like be too much involved in their show. Or we didn't want it to touch your style. And also like I am just like so different in how i dress the juxtaposition is not like i'm like i sometimes i'm like come on guys figure it out what did you say on the show you're like

sometimes like how do you even put that together where do they sell that honey so it is like a little bit of an adjustment but what did you do when you saw craig's fixer-upper his home yeah so when we first started dating you guys i feel like like watching the show didn't even see how like bad it actually was like the kitchen there fully was no kitchen like it was a construction zone and the kitchen was in the living room and i remember like when we first started talking and like me visiting he was so self-conscious about it. And like thought that like I wasn't going to like him because of it. And I was like, it needed a little bit of a feminine touch in there.

Yeah, I was like, look, I don't care. Like we'll look back one day and be like, how fun when we like lived like this. But I knew he was like working toward like fixing it. But he needed me. Like if I didn't hire an interior designer and like get things going we would we'd still have the same great couch i'm gonna defend craig because me and craig have a couple of similarities okay okay i feel like craig is one of those people that has to get really chaotic but then likes to clean up the chaos do you know like there's something that's

like i'm like this like i love like a huge disgusting slob closet bathroom situation and then i like to go in and just like meditate and therapeutically clean it up and it's like perfect and the reason i say that is because, but it's absurd because you turn around and say how messy I am if I have one thing out. And then what she does is- I like to edit him. And then she cleans it up and says, aren't you going to thank me?

And I'm like, this was your shit. But like the thing with Craig is like, you could tell when like he was doing his sewing that like it made sense to him. Yes. The organized chaos. Yes. Made sense in his head, but to no one else and i feel like he's

done that with his sewing company he's done that with his dating life yeah and he's done it with his home it's like he fucks it up and chaos is it up to clean it up on this line of thought i could just go fuck a bunch of stuff up and then clean up that's part of my process i always say to him i'm like the inside of your brain has to be exhausting. Like there's just got to be so many things going on. He has in his closet, like so many different piles of things, but knows exactly what are in those piles. And I'm always like, there's just no way that you know that and he I will agree he is similar to you but he doesn't like to clean it but he likes when it gets cleaned like and organized and that's usually where I come in but how is it done with his company he's done look what he's done with

his company I will say his the people that work at sewing down south are some of the best humans I've ever met like he genuinely has created such a family. Like everyone that started at the company, they're still there. Like it's, they definitely have such a close, it's really only like three of them that are like running it. I think about the coolest thing that he did with that is I, I mean, tell me if I'm wrong. I feel like a lot of people didn't take that seriously at all until it became what it is now. Even now, I feel like people will kind of give him a little bit of shit and be like you know you don't run you don't run it day to day or you don't do this and he's like right but i started it and it's

here because of me and like yeah no i hire employees to do like certain things that's called smart delegate right and so i think people try and like knock that but that's just no no i respect anybody that has a vision and can pull it off right absolutely what's the differences between filming besides the camera everywhere summer house and southern charm for someone who's a big reality fan like what are what give us some like behind the scenes of it i will say the schedule in general like summer house is got to prep like when you know you're going in on Friday and you're not going to not be filmed until Sunday. Like you got to really like prepare yourself like, OK, that's it. Like now I'm essentially you're working like I'm

filming where with Southern Charm, it's very it's way more lax. Like they, Madison will come over for two hours. We'll chat, we'll gossip. And then that's it. They go home. Then you can like decompress in your own bed, like by yourself. So I actually prefer the way Southern Charm films because it is just like,

I feel like it's a little bit easier. And also I just hate packing for the weekend. You're very serious about your style. I mean, really, you have really good taste. Thank you. It's funny because everyone in Summer House, we all pack very differently. How do you pack?

Michael loves packing. I pack for the weekend where Amanda and Lindsay, they'll pack for the whole summer. What? So Amanda and Kyle will pack up their car that first weekend pack everything bring it out there put it in the closet and then that's like their summer wardrobe but what if I'm feeling different I mean no I don't I could never

do that what if I need that shoe in the city and I I know and also like I'm I'm the type you buy a little here you buy a little there like I I'm not, to do that sounds so overwhelming. So exhausting. So I go weekend by weekend because we will get like a little bit of a schedule of like what we'll potentially be doing. So I go by event and that's how I do my outfit. What are the like style tips for someone

who doesn't know where to start? Like what are the essentials that they need to start with? I think it's all about like having really good basics and that's how you can figure out what your own personal style is. And I also think like your style can be different every single day. Like today, she's business chic. Tomorrow, she might be full grunge. Yeah. So like you can, if you feel good in it, I really do think like then wear it. Who cares? Like if it's trendy or not. How do you dress for television?

That would give me an anxiety attack. It's. Yeah, because something that looks so cute in like person. Does not look good on camera. Is like a stuffed sausage on camera. I'd, I never thought that was real. Like, oh, you look different on camera. You 1000% look different on camera.

It is definitely a thing and I now I actually try and not wear a lot of black when we're filming summer house because it just like doesn't pop on camera it's kind of like eh what about a print I usually I'm not like a huge print girl and we know we know so like I don't really have to worry about it but no there are certain times where i'm like oh that's gonna look so good on camera like that's a great color or you know that does nothing for my body i'm gonna look 10 pounds heavier in that on camera yeah so there are definitely decisions that i make like that you have a lot of stuff going on off camera which i want to talk about you have a really podcast. You also have this amazing thing going with Amazon. How did the Amazon thing start? So the Amazon thing started actually my first year on Summer House. I had gotten fired

from my ABC job at the production company. And because I technically signed a contract with NBC got it and they were like you actually can't work here also okay but summer house was like we don't care that you got fired they like never even like covered it so no one even like knew that season that I had gotten fired I get fired and I'm at happened to be at a fourth of July party like in the city we weren't filming it was like on a Monday and I met this woman who worked at Amazon and I told her I happened to be at a Fourth of July party like in the city. We weren't filming. It was like on a Monday. And I met this woman who worked at Amazon. And I told her I wanted to be a broadcast journalist. And I just started doing this reality show.

She was like, oh, we just started this thing called Amazon Live. Do you want to come and be one of the models like while the hosts talk? And we saw this on the show. We saw you model for something on Amazon. Did we? Yeah, we did. On my first season? Or was it Sierra?

I think it was. Oh, no, that's when I did Access Hollywood. Okay, go ahead. You're right. So I do this like Amazon Live thing as a model and no one knew about it. Like I didn't tell anyone on the show. I made like $200 from it.

And every time they would call me, I would do it. And then like two months later, I was like, would you mind if I talked back to the host about like the item she's selling? And they were like, yeah, sure. And so they let me. And then a couple months later, I was like, do you mind if I like host something?

And they were like, okay, we'll give you like a segment. And then fast forward, like now I have my own Amazon live show. And now it's all like reality TV, which is so crazy. And also I feel like you're a tastemaker of what to get on Amazon. Like I've gone to your page and like there's like a link section on your highlights. And like you have all these really cool curations of like what to get. I think because like how I really did start with like Instagram was showing my outfits that I was wearing to my corporate job every day. And I was right out of college.

I was literally making like $2. Like I couldn't afford any clothes, but I wanted to look chic when I was going to work. So I've always been that like on a budget. Is there a dupe for it? Like how can you style it and it look expensive? So I think I just like so resonate with Amazon in general that it feels more authentic when you're buying something on my storefront. And what about your podcast with Hannah? How did that come about? And do you guys always get along? You guys are doing all these live situations. Like how does that work?

Hannah truly is like there are just those people in your life that you meet and you're like, no, that's my soulmate. Hannah is that to me for sure. Right when I met her, I knew we were going to be best friends. We met actually at the Betches offices, like in the elevator shaft. I got out of the elevator and she was the first person to greet me. And I'll never forget that moment. So we started Giggly Squad because we just felt like on Summer House, we had formed such an intense friendship and you never kind of really saw it. And they would show like little clips or whatever

but then once covid happened and we were in that era of like everyone going live like everyone and their mom was like live on instagram it was a weird era who was that one rapper that like had like one of the craziest whatever but like that was like the era we were in and we're like okay we'll like we'll do this our show airing. People hadn't seen it before. And there was nothing else to watch. So like everyone was watching Summer House. So we would go live after the episodes. And then once the show was over,

Hannah was like, well, we have nothing else to do. Let's just like keep going live. So we went live every single night from 10 p.m. to 11 p.m. for three months. Then we went into Summer summer house filmed that season got out of summer house and said okay let's just like make this into a podcast we make it into a podcast and then kind of for the next now we've been doing it for like almost four years so the next three years we're just like doing a podcast and we just started doing our live shows which is like have you guys done a live show yet we have not no you have so much work though we've done a lot so fun though it is here's the thing i don't think you get energy

like off the audience we'll go speak like we just like spoke it yeah but it wasn't a podcast and i feel like with the way that we do this yeah i. I don't know if it always translates to live. How do you do it on, like how do you take what you do here and pull it to stage? You guys like have a little bit of like a performing thing going on as well. Ours is a little bit more like comedy. So I think it's a little easier. Yes.

But like to be able to like meet the people that listen to you. Yeah, that's cool. You genuinely feel like they're your, like you know them. Because you're like they're your, like you know them because you're like, oh, we like think about things in the exact same way.

Yeah. Also, the reason is like I tell people like technically this podcast is just like a side thing. Yeah. Even though it's like a, you know, it's become something.

But like day to day, I'm running the company and then she's running her company. And I think it's like to commit to be like we're going on the road. No, I get it. And then the kids are at home and it's like not that we don't

I think at some point for sure we'll consider it. At one point you should just do like one show just for like people to meet you and like be in person with you and like you would be like you guys would be able to do it. Get like whoever your favorite guest has been have them as a special guest and just like talk

to them and people would love it. Like they really would. All they want to see is you. I think we just have to wrap our heads around committing to it. They almost like don't even care what you're talking about. It's just like a fun night where they're like getting to meet you

and getting to like hang with you. No, I love it. I think it's really cute. It's so overwhelming with two children. No, I can't imagine. That's because it's like, do you bring them or do they stay? And then it's just like, it's a lot of logistics.

They put together like a big proposal about this like tour. And I was like trying to logistically plan it. And then I just. But our live shows, I will say, I would never thought I would have been able to do it without Hannah. And her being a stand-up comedian does really help. Yeah, for sure. And when we started the podcast, in no situation did we think we would be

in the comedy section of podcasts like that wasn't like a goal at all like we just kind of started talking to each other and it happened to be funny so to now like to be performing in the at the New York City Comedy Festival with like legitimate comedians is just one of the craziest things. And that's how it's like, it's so true. You have no idea what could happen in your career, like anything.

But don't you feel like because you guys are in that world of comedy, there's like a little bit of a performance thing and like people don't have to be as serious. Like someone doesn't need to come on here and like learn about their resting heart rate live, right? No, that's true. But what she's saying is you bring a guest who is good with comedy on.

Yeah, like it could be just like a fun night. It doesn't have to be like a full comedy show like we do. Yeah, like do something fun. Like you could strip on stage. Actually, I want you guys to come to a Giggly Squad show. And then I promise. I would do that because that's different and I wouldn't feel the pressure to. Wait, comeiggly squad show and then i and then i promise well like i would do that because that's different and i wouldn't feel the pressure to wait come on the show or watch i

want you to come and watch just see like what it is and then we'll brainstorm your show because i feel like you definitely if you you don't have to go on tour either you can do one show in la and just try it yeah and just try it you're you're opening up my mind we like if the wheels start to fall off this thing I'm going to skip all the live shows and we're going straight to OnlyFans

Lauren and I and I feel like I feel like honestly if I was smarter and a little less shameless I would be like let's get on there

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when Hannah got why'd she get kicked off she got fired when Hannah got fired off the show what was that like for you who's her best friend you end up going into business

with her you guys are building a podcast like it's that would put you in a very weird spot Like for you, who's her best friend, you end up going into business with her. You guys are building a podcast. That would put you in a very weird spot. It put me in a really weird spot because, and I will say, I think about this probably the most of any moment that I've been on reality TV. I have a lot of regrets from that season. I think about how I could have been a better friend to Hannah. I could have been a better friend to Amanda.

I think about how I was in the middle and how could I have changed the outcome of Hannah not returning that next season. I think about that a lot. But then also, I think everything happens for a reason and in no situation would Giggly Squad be what Giggly Squad is had Hannah not been fired from that season because it just put us in a totally different area of our friendship we no longer were on the show together which means we didn't really have certain animosity that comes with like being on a reality show even though we never had that before we were always so close but Giggly Squad just would not be would not have taken the form

that it took had that not happened so I'm thankful for that but also I do think about that time a lot of how maybe I shouldn't have been so Switzerland and tried to be in the middle. And I should have stuck up for Hannah and I should have stuck up for Amanda and I should have maybe talked more or said certain opinions. And I I just always think back and like felt bad for what Hannah went through that whole year because that was probably one of the toughest years. Yeah, it was intense to watch. It was intense. But she's also with Giggly Squad and with what she does as a comedian.

Yeah, I mean, she's- She's flourishing. So it's like, you're right. It's good it happened. Yeah, but I think about it. I think about it a lot. How have you taken all of these things that you've done and sort of created your own future? Because I think that's one of the most interesting things

about you is like a lot of people just go on reality television and like that's it and that's fine. But you've like really like laid a map out. Yeah. I think part of it is. And I feel like I've talked to a lot of people who are like about to go on a reality show or like thinking about it. And I've had friends like call me like, what's your advice? Like, what do you think I should do? And I always give the same advice.

And I always say, do it because you don't want to wake up in five years and wonder what if I did it? How would my life be different? And before you film that first scene, what is the end goal that you want from this show? That's good advice. Like so I and this I think is why Hannah and I bonded so much.

My going into Summer House, I always knew like, OK, I don't want to be on reality TV for the rest of my life, but I want to be established enough so that after I'm on reality TV, you still know who I am and you're still buying whatever I'm selling or you're still tuning into whatever I'm doing. And at the time it was like Amazon Live and it was being a fashion influencer. And obviously that's like changed a little bit as the years have gone on. But I think if you're just going on a reality show to go on a reality show, you're going to lose yourself. Like you're going to lose your personality and what you were there for in the beginning. So I think having a plan of what you want from it is probably the best advice I could

give. Yeah. If you just kind of go on it and you get like addicted to your press clippings and like there is no end goal that can be really toxic because at any time you could be kicked off. And it's so easy to get like sucked into that. I had a producer tell me like the first year I was on, he was like, 50% of people are going to be obsessed with you. They're going to love you. They're going to die for you. And the other 50 is going to absolutely hate your guts. Anything you do, they're going to hate it no matter what it is. And he was like, but the great part about it is neither of those sides are right because neither of those people know you.

And that stuck with me for so long. And I was like, wait, you're so right. So it's like you go. I've gone through times where like people have absolutely hated me on the show and I've had to like take inventory of like, OK, are my friends mad at me and are my family mad at me? And if the answer is no to both of those, then I kind of like have to kind of forget it because I'm like it's then it's nothing for me to do I do just stay out of the comments and the dms you have to

you really don't even look I mean there are definitely days I'm obviously a human there are definitely days where I'm like deep in them and I'm like how could that person say that but I will give myself credit. Like as the years go on, as I get older, it's less and less kind of a part of my life, like the comments and what people could say. The problem with reading all that stuff too, as I think about this a lot, is like it sways the way you'll behave or it sways the way that you'll actually share your opinion. And in the beginning when we started doing this, I used to like think about like, oh, what do they want to hear? And what is the feedback? But like the problem is,

is that I have to be able to have a conversation with you without thinking about that. Yes. And that's, I mean, that's the biggest thing on reality TV. You have to have a conversation and be yourself and not think about how are they going to edit this?

Like sometimes I'll film something and I'll be like, damn, are they going to spin that where I look like such a bitch? But I'm like, I can't worry about that. Like tell her how you really feel like how would you do it like authentically so you kind of have to like put it out of your head yeah and I also just like doing this for as long as we've done it now you just realize that like people care way too much about themselves anyway to actually pay attention to you for that long right no that's so true like

it's like at the end of the day it's just like when everyone's going to sleep at night they're not thinking about you. They're thinking about themselves. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I like to think that they're thinking about me. But, you know. Maybe some are thinking about your hairline. Everything is.

People are way more concerned about themselves than they are about what anyone else is. I even think like in personal relationships. Absolutely. I just like with that perspective, I just think don't get bothered anymore. Right. What are we in store for with summer house because this is i mean what's just happened with lindsey and carl is intense i get my first question because it's like two-prong question did you know that was going to happen or was that out of nowhere for you yeah no i i mean

i had no idea that they were going to break up and i don't think either of them really did either so it was if you don't know what we're talking about you need to watch the show michael i'm gonna nod my head no i know who we're going to get married in like i'm a couple weeks or something like everyone had booked flights i know who they are but i'm just not up for their wedding and we're set to go get married in a couple weeks. Got broke up. Which is like crazy. Okay, so here's what I'm saying. I'm sure this is a big issue.

But when I hear about it in the context of like... To me, it sounds like a couple broke up. No, but it's not. It's for the show. It's in the ecosystem of the show. The drama is heightened. I think the thing that people are freaking out the most about is like... In the Bravo world, when you hear that cameras came back up

like that's just a phrase that people are like oh it must be so juicy like camera we were done filming and then they brought cameras back up is that true i don't i didn't yeah so we were done filming our season and then all of a sudden we get a call like we're filming again cameras are back up and then and they broke up and called off their wedding but is it just like did they grow apart i think we don't know we have to find out i will say like if and when you watch the season like when it comes out i told you now that i've met you i'm going to be tuned in with a pen yeah you'll definitely i'm going to be fighting in the comment sessions with trolls you'll see the ins and outs of their relationship what their problems were with like

what they fought about what they didn't and I think like things will make more sense but I can't say truly what it was because obviously like I'm not in their relationship but do you think Craig is going to want you to move to South Carolina I think Craig I give him a lot of credit because he doesn't honestly he doesn't pressure me about moving ever like we rarely he'll rarely bring it up but he like he misses you you can tell yes but I think he wants us to have a family and it be in Charleston so I think whenever I imagine the pillows the baby like I would go into, I would make him do all like baby bedding and like we would go full baby. So I think until I get the feeling of like,

oh, I'd like to have a child. It won't really be a thing of like when I'm moving. I think how you're handling it is perfect. It's like, there's no rush. You obviously met someone who, who from the outside looking in looks like a soulmate. Like you don't need to like. And I truly feel like until I have children in there have to go to school.

We don't have to be in one place like the whole time. We bounce around. Right. I didn't move in with him until I was engaged. I waited. And here's the reason I didn't do it. I he had like this like bachelor pad, like beautiful house. And he wanted me to move in. I was living in my cute like studio apartment

that I loved. Everything was on my you were living in your Barbie dream house. It was like all organized and labels were out and it was perfect and pristine, like a cute studio. And he wanted me to move into his house. And and I always was like, I don't want to move my stuff into your house. And then it becomes my towel is on your floor. Yes. Because it's your house and I'm taking over your closet. Yeah.

Like it just, there's an energy of like moving in with someone where it's still their house. But now we've moved in together and my towel you say is on my floor, but it's our fucking house everything's mine still but but that's how i that's why i felt so adamant about getting craig an interior designer because i was like i need to feel like i'm decorating your home mark your

territory or it's gonna feel just like yours yes that was really smart to do because it's like it's like you have a part in it i think in this in this on this topic like i think it's okay to have like a little bit of a courtship period and also like live apart for a bit and then slowly it's sexy sometimes people like they mean not to judge people but like people rush into a lot of like heavy life decisions i agree you know and i i like a list i like a plan. I like to know what we're doing. I'm not someone that rushes into major decisions like that, like uprooting my life and moving somewhere or buying a house together, buying a car together.

That's so not me. So I like taking it a little bit slower. People gave Lauren and I a lot of shit for a long time. I remember it was like, oh, when are you getting engaged? There's this weird energy about it. When are you was like, oh, when are you getting engaged? There's like this weird energy about it. When are you moving in? Ooh, when are you getting engaged? It's so bizarre. We knew that we had a really

strong thing for a long time. In our perspective, we got together young. So I was like, listen, we're going to be together, but we wanted to kind of have, even though we were not single, we wanted to have the 20s and the early 30s to do things that people our age do. No, I say it all the time i'm like when people ask me like okay are you moving or are you getting engaged and i feel like it's

like such a dumb answer but i'm like i love my life like i love my life the way it is right now i don't want to change it yet i totally i totally get it once you get married they're gonna say do you have a kid they're gonna say when's the second they did people just yeah it'll get busy you know go figure your own shit out right but but there is there is that undertone always with that question of like when are you getting engaged it's like exhausting it's exhausting and then i think you get to a point where people are like enough of you just stop talking about the thing i feel bad for craig is because because i'm the one that is kind of like oh i don't want to move yet oh i don't want to get engaged yet i feel because because I'm the one that is kind of like, oh, I don't want to move yet. Oh, I don't want to get engaged yet. I feel like because I'm the woman, people will take it and

be like, she doesn't even like him. She doesn't love him like he should move on. And that always makes me feel so bad for Craig because I'm like, I don't ever want that to be like the narrative in the public because that is like mean to you even though he knows that's so not like what it is but i always feel bad that like people say that because i don't want it to like hurt his feelings but really if the roles were reversed and he was the guy being like i'd love to like focus on my career a little and i don't want to move yet and let's just keep doing what we're doing everyone would be like he's got a head his head on his shoulders he is look at him just being mature or they might they might also say like this

guy's doesn't take this person seriously and is pushing her like wasting her time listen you can't you cannot win right no you literally can't win at all i will tell you though like my intuition, it's very interesting to see him on Southern Charm with you because his whole vibe has changed. Yeah. You can tell when he's like going out on the show. It's like he has a guard up of like he is not like looking. Right. There's an energy with like Austin where like when he was with someone on the show, you can still tell he's looking. Right.

He's looking around like a bloodhound. Craig's not looking anymore. Craig's closed. Craig's closed for business. Craig is to his core like a family guy. Like Craig can't wait to be someone's dad and like be like have that like core family. He's got like a teddy bear side.

Yeah, like he's ready for that next step i think and i mean we talk about it all the time of like our children like our future children and stuff like that and he's so close with his family and that's one of the things that is like top on my list of how he is with his family how he is with my family and how excited he is to one day be a family guy. But you'll pick the name. I told him he can do dogs. He can pick dog names. You got to pick the name.

Anytime he suggests something, I'm like, and that sounds amazing for a puppy. I think, too, it's been fun to watch his other counterpart, Austin, now in therapy. So it's different roads. Yeah, yeah. They've gone on, they have different paths. I feel like that environment down there, we spent some time in Charleston. It's just like, it's kind of like a crazy environment.

I've spent time in Charleston. I don't even know if it's more than Charleston. You don't have to like maybe grow up as much maybe in some ways? There's so many more women than there are men. And it's such a college town that people end up just like staying from college so i feel like they don't ever leave that like collegey mindset because they're still living in the same city like because craig went to college there and he's been there ever since and so yeah their nightlife is definitely a little a little more juvenile than like going out in new York City or going out in L.A.

Yeah. It's been fun to see it through your eyes. Yeah. That's all I'll say. Paige, where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out. Tell us where we can buy what you're doing. See what you're doing on Amazon.

Give us all the things. Okay. So Giggly Squad's out every Tuesday wherever you listen to your podcast. And then my Instagram and TikTok is just at Paige DeSorbo. And then I have new Amazon lives every week. Paige, thank you for coming on. Next time you come on, I'm manifesting that you come on with Craig or with Hannah, either one. And you guys, we can do like a little round table. They fight with each other because Hannah's my boyfriend. They can rock, paper, scissors for it. Hannah's my husband. Craig is my boyfriend. I love it. Love it. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, Paige. Be sure to stock all Skinny Confidential products on revolve.com. And if you want to watch

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