The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Paige Lorenze On Reinventing Yourself, Trusting Your Gut, & What She Doesn't Share Online

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

#982: Join us as we sit down with Paige Lorenze – Founder and Creative Director of Dairy Boy, a lifestyle and apparel brand redefining modern Americana. While many know Paige from the worlds of fashion, wellness, and tennis, her entrepreneurial journey tells a much deeper story. In this episode, Paige shares how she transformed a personal vision into a thriving brand, the lessons she's learned building Dairy Boy from the ground up, and why she traded New York City for Connecticut in pursuit of a more intentional lifestyle. She opens up about navigating the public eye, creating an authentic brand in today's digital landscape, balancing creativity with business, and staying connected to her values while scaling a company and building a life on her own terms.   For Detailed Show Notes visit TheBossticks.com   To connect with Paige Lorenze click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   To shop Dairy Boy visit https://go.shopmy.us/p-58536183.   This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential  Reduce puffiness and boost radiance with The Skinny Confidential Mint Roller, now available at http://shopskinnyconfidential.com.    This episode is sponsored by Kion Go to http://getkion.com/skinny for 20% off .   This episode is sponsored by Troscriptions  There's a completely new way to optimize your health. Give it a try at http://troscriptions.com/SKINNY or enter SKINNY at checkout for 10% off your first order.    This episode is sponsored by The RealReal Get $25 off your first purchase plus an extra $100 to shop when you sell for the first time. Go to http://TheRealReal.com/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by Unreal Snacks Visit http://Unrealsnacks.com/SKINNY to get $4 off a bag of Unreal. Terms and conditions apply.   This episode is sponsored by ARMRA Go to http://armra.com/SKINNY or enter SKINNY to get 30% off your first subscription order.   This episode is sponsored by Function Health Join at http://functionhealth.com/SKINNY or use gift code SKINNY25 for a $25 credit toward your membership.   This episode is sponsored by MasterClass  MasterClass keeps adding new classes, so there's never been a better time to get in. Right now, as a listener of this show, you get at least 15% off any annual membership at http://MasterClass.com/SKINNY. Produced by Dear Media

Welcome to the Bostics, starring Lauren Bostic and Michael Bostick. Together, they are the Bostics. Our office is freaking out that you're on the show. The girl is gladiard. They're all so excited. Really going nuts, buzzing. So I, and I told you this off air, want to just showcase what a mogul you are in this episode. You've built an incredible business.

We're going to get to it. What age did you start to know? that you were entrepreneurial and what did that look like? Well, first, thank you so much. I'm so honored to be here. I'm a huge fan of both of you. Thank you. I, this is a great question because people actually don't usually ask me this.

They usually just ask me about Dairy Boy, but it did start so much earlier than Dairy Boy. I mean, I've always sort of been like this. Like, I used to have lemonade stands and be out there at 6 a.m. Like, on the dot, if you ask anyone on the street that I grew up on, like, I was grinding out the lemonade stand. there should be like a study about children who do lemonade stands and then end up being entrepreneurs but do serious lemonade stands. Like I was not playing around.

I basically treated it like a little like coffee shop. And I even had like a charity component to it. But yeah, that was sort of I think when my parents were like, oh. Like she kind of has that dog in her to like be out there all day. All the kids are at the beach. I was just trying to save up money and also have my own money to have independence to do what I wanted. and to sort of build my own career. I've always been very career-driven and competitive.

And I just thought, like, the world is my oyster even when I was younger. So how did your parents water that? I think it's a little bit I was just born that way, truly. Like, I think I was, it's in my bones. I think many entrepreneurial people would probably say that. But I also have incredibly severe ADHD and ADD. and I think that I was very hyperactive, but also competitive and interested in that at a young age. It's like my personality.

You know, like I think like some people's ambition is to one day do so well that they can end up doing nothing. Right. It's like I want to be productive enough so that one day I don't have to be productive. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like you want to go sit on the beach? But that's actually not me. I stress. Yeah.

I'm like if there's no version of me that will ever stop and sit on a beach. I don't, no matter what achieves, like, I can go sit on a vacation for four days until I'm like, I got to get the hell out of here. 100%. My fiance is a tennis player and he's going to retire one day. And he is like, I'm going to be at home and you're probably going to still be working and starting businesses. I'm obsessed with it. I'm obsessed with work. Even if you look at my career, even when I was younger, I always took being a creator really seriously. Like I didn't, I treated like a job from day one. And I saw it as a business from day one. But yeah, he's like worried, not worried, but he's like, oh, yeah, you're going to be working forever. How do you have the foresight to see it as a business from the beginning? Because I think a lot of influencers are opposite. They kind of started posting and then it becomes a business.

Yeah. It sounds like you knew from the beginning it was going to be a business. Yeah. I think that it goes back to sort of, I guess, also my interest when I was younger. I think I grew up in a part of Connecticut that is very different than maybe a lot of people see on TV or see online. It's a smaller town. I grew up like a very small town with a lot of land in the woods sort of. And being outdoors a lot, riding horses.

And I was into video and photo at a very young age. Like I was just really obsessed with like world building. I loved music videos specifically. I felt like I wanted to be in them. Like when I saw a music video when I was younger, I just like thought of myself in like, not even in them, but just like a part of that, like, little world. And I would make a lot of videos. I loved, like, GoPro videos.

I was a downhill ski racer my whole childhood as well. We heard about this. Yeah, it was something I can get into. Well, I was skiing my whole life. When age did you start? Because I want to get my daughter and son. Oh, you're too late. You're too late.

You got to get going, you got to get going, learn. Downhill ski racing, specifically skiing, I think it's really important to start young because that fear, that fear of, you know, it's not a natural feeling being on two sticks flying down a hill. insane. So I was very fortunate to be put into like ski racing at a young age. And I would make a lot of like ski edits and ski videos. So I've always been into world building even before that was even really a thing. Before Instagram was even an app. I was obsessed with Tumblr.

I was also from a town where it was a really small town. So there wasn't even many restaurants. It's like the sweetest, smallest cute town. And it was really not like the Greenwich or like near New York City. Like, none of, not many people who live in that town even commute to New York for work. So I had this, I had to sort of like make up my own dreams and sort of like that small time feeling. I think a lot of people probably like can relate to that of feeling like, I don't know, that world felt that Hollywood world or that like music video world felt very far away.

So I almost wanted to like create my own little like versions of it, like little photos or little like photos shoots or videos. So I did that a lot. And then I went to ski school because I was a competitive ski racer. Which is where the competitiveness comes in. Yeah. Yeah. So I was downhill ski racing my whole life. I also just think it made me fearless because it's kind of, yeah, it is gnarly.

It's a gnarly sport. It pushed me. And it also made me, I'm not scared to fail at all. And I had to trust myself a lot because you basically trust your body like free falling down a hill. That's the best thing about sports, which is why I want our kids to play because you get used to failing. You feel a lot. You're a little late on the skiing.

Yeah. Well, our son is turning four. Our daughter's 36, our other son's 10 months. So your parents literally put you on skis at three. Three. And said, go down the hill. Yeah. Because right now, when you get on a ski, I mean, she freaks out.

She's throwing the poles at me. She's yelling. No, it's scary. As an adult, I would be dramatic, though. But I get, as an adult, I would be terrified of skiing. But I think skiing's an amazing sport to what your kid into. But I think any sport is great to put your kid into. Even if they don't want to be an athlete, I think it teaches you so much about yourself.

I think it's so, so important. But also, interestingly, While like, if you look at my kind of life on paper, you would see that I was like an athlete the majority of my life, but I was also really into like art and art programs. And I feel like people think that, oh, I don't want to be an art class because I'm not going to be a painter. But I was like really interested in art and art classes. And obviously I'm not like an artist, but I do think that it allowed me to like learn how to creative problem solve and like be creative in other ways.

Like, and I would even say, I don't know, like when I have kids, I'm going to make sure that they, are like really like after school and in school like taking that like artistic creative side seriously because I think later it teaches you how to creative problem solve. When I hire people, that's what I look for. Like can you kind of figure anything out and to get to the final result and be scrappy and think outside of the box. And so I think the mix of being an athlete and being competitive but also being in like creative environments really formed who I am today. It's also really interesting the business that you do because business is competitive. Yeah.

It's a competitive sport. Yeah. And also what you do is so aesthetic, artistic. So it's like you mixed your whole childhood together and made up your own thing. I did. I did. And when people ask me the story of Derry Boy, it's so layered because it's, I mean, Dairy Boy is really a reflection of my lifestyle. But it's also a reflection of like all my lived experiences and the fact that I grew up in Vermont and I was a ski racer. But I also went to college in New York City. And I've had all these. different life experiences. But I think that that all really reflects my brand. And I'm really

fortunate that I've been on YouTube for so long because so many people know that about me, but so many people don't know like the full story. So what is the first piece of content that you decide to post that takes off? I started posting a long time ago. So I was working, I lived in New York City for college. And when I moved here, I really kind of struggled finding my people because I grew up completely opposite. Ski racer up in the most northern part of Vermont and a small town in Connecticut. So I was sort of like trying to find my people that loved the city but also loved being outdoors. So I started working at ski shops. There's this shop called Westerland that's a really cool store. And I started running their Instagram and running the newsletter. And I saw that the

newsletter and the Instagram were sort of the same thing, but people weren't using Instagram as a newsletter. So I had the idea, I was just like, a newsletter is eyeballs on your brand. And you want me to basically kind of do that for the Instagram. So I basically started, I said, let's get rid of the newsletter and let's make Instagram into the newsletter. So I sort of created that program at this clothing brand. And then I started working at other clothing brands. And I started kind of like modeling for these clothing brands, like lifestyle modeling, not like really modeling, just like iPhone photos. and I noticed how much I could sell and how I was when I was coming in

to work as a sales associate on the floor, I was like changing their businesses by telling everyone no more newsletter, use Instagram, get girls in the store, let's take content of the girls coming in. And again,

this was like really before Instagram, before TikTok. What year was this? My year, so I was in college, maybe like 2018, 17, even before that. And are you still skiing?

No. No, no, no, so sorry. So I quit skiing in my senior year of high school. Okay. Most kids go to the Olympics or go ski D1 in college, and I was like, I want to go to college in New York City. I want to do something more creative. Did you know you wanted to model, too? No. No, that was never, never something that I thought I would do, but I saw it as an opportunity to sell the clothes. Does that make sense? Like, I was like a vehicle.

It was a means to an end. Yeah, like, I was a vehicle to wear the clothes, and I could wear them and feel confident in them because I, like, love style. I always say like I don't really care about fashion. I like style. And that's sort of what I was doing for these brands. I was working for many brands that was more of like a boutique. So we had to like style the outfits and put them and it was really, really creative and fun for me. But why I decided to go to college in New York is because I was like, this isn't the opposite of what I grew up in. And this is really interesting. And I think will push me creatively. But I definitely reached a tipping point in New York and left New York. Like, I do not like living here. And I feel like I really found myself

leaving New York. But the time that I did in New York was really crucial to me and who I am. And who I am is a, I think, a business owner. What do you not like about living here? There's a lot of people that have aspiration to come to a place like this. Yeah. And by the way, I love this city, but I don't think I could be in the city full time, especially now with kids. So I'm wondering just from your perspective, like what were the things that you kind of took from the city? But what are the things like I got to leave behind? I try to be positive about New York because I think, I don't know, I think there's a million things we can complain about at any given time about literally anything.

Sure. But when I was living here, I'm not going to lie, it was hard for me to be positive about it. I think that I, what I don't like is I feel like, because of social media and iPhones, we've lost a lot of sense of community and curiosity. I think that that curiousness, like, what are people doing in Washington Square Park or what are my neighbors doing or what's happening in my neighborhood people are not really doing that as much. So I sort of saw the rise of social media, which is sort of the critical because I'm also meanwhile, like, it's not becoming my job. But you know what? I was in the park, third day walking in Central Park and I saw these older people and they had their binoculars and hats and they were birdwatchers.

And I was like, that's cool. It's really cool. I was like, am I going to be like. There is still some of that in New York. I was like in my khaki pants. Like am I a birdwatcher now? No, it's precious. But I thought it was cool because every other thing is someone on their phone or someone staring at

They're not even watching what's going on in the park. And then I saw these older people and they're literally like watching birds and squirrels. I thought that's cool. So I think that sense of like curiosity in New York has sort of lost its charm, which makes me sad. And I think for me, it was really the fact that I felt like the only things for me to do here were shop, spend money, shop, eat, and spend money. I love the museums in New York.

I think that's a really beautiful part of living here. If you really, you know, lean into that, you can add so much richness to your life, but that didn't feel my cup. Yeah, what's nice about having children for is you get to, you come back and like, okay, you're not taking the kids out to the bar. You don't want to go sit in a restaurant. Right. And so when we came last time, we're in the museums with them and in the park with them,

and you're like, oh, like, that's probably how you should experience the city a little more. It sounds like, though you were missing like almost nature and grounding and horses, it seems like. 100%. And I think, I think what's like. beautiful about me leaving New York and me saying that I don't like living here is, and what I want to, like, want people to think about is it's really important as social media has gotten so huge to just, like, be individual. Like, New York is not best for me in my life.

But that's just me. Like, if New York is best for you and your lifestyle and your interests and your passions, take that seriously. Live in New York. Have children here and do the thing. But for me, I felt like I was trying to conform to something that wasn't me because I was like, oh, to be a successful woman. because I was very career-driven. I have to be here. I have to be here in this. I have to have this

certain career. But really underneath, like, what I value is career, but I also value, like, tradition. And I value, you know, dinners and a garden and having a lawn. And, and these things that I almost feel like I was told that I couldn't have being a successful woman. I relate to you so much. I told, I think so many people do. I relate to you so much. Because, I think because, and I would guess, that you and I are dominant and are masculine. Yes. Yes. That it is. is assumed that at home I'm dominant and in my masculine. And I am a homemaker. Yes. To my core. Feminine energy in my home. And I think that you're expected as like this, they used to call it like a girl boss. You have to be in the city that's like hustling. I totally relate to you.

It just depends what you. Obviously, we move from L.A. to Texas. And I'm like, we're sitting in our office here in New York. But like, like, and I'm certain that from a career perspective, you could maybe get a little bit further faster in an L.A. or in New York. But it comes at a cost that we don't want to pay, right? I want the same thing as you. I want the kids to be outside and running around and want some space. And I don't want people on top of me all the time and the car horns. And listen, I love the city. But I think sometimes people tell themselves a lie like they can't achieve what they want to achieve if they're not in certain places. And to me, that to me, that's just not the truth. Right. Yeah, I agree. And I also think that you should take that you're like calling to where home is seriously. so then you can build your life around that.

Yeah. Like I don't think you should sacrifice. Obviously, some people have to work in Manhattan, and I totally understand that. But I think that what's more important than just like working for the rest of your life and hating where you live. And also then maybe not liking work is building a life and work around where you actually want to put your roots down. I think that's the lie, though, is that people feel like they have to. Yes. You have to if you want a specific job or a career.

Right. But there's plenty of places where you can make a living and do well. Also, after COVID, I feel like you could, there's so much remote work. I mean, the only reason that we, after COVID, were able to even kind of like detour to Texas is because it created a situation where like it changed the world. Yeah, 100%. But I think that, and I love that you're saying that you relate to that so much. And I think that so many people do relate to it. I think that that is sort of what we underlying the message of Dairy Boy and how it kind of started was that you can have both and that like a soft.

you know, beautiful life that's maybe in the suburbs is, is amazing and it's beautiful. And that is sort of what we stand for at Derry Boy, again, like that more like simple life. That's feminine and masculine. Like we do men's oversized flannels and then we do like feminine stuff. And I think that so many people have resonated with my story because I've been very open about the fact that I left and I found myself and I found happiness. And when I leaned into that, my community saw my life sort of flourish in my career. And I think that people hopefully see what I did and know that there's not only one way to be successful. There's not only one way to live. And to be a girl boss and a CEO, it can look different for everyone. I think it's great. I think this message is so important.

And, you know, for me, living in New York City would feel very overstimulating. Yes. I am someone that has to step out of all of it so I can hear myself. think. I need a sanctuary. I need to recharge to do what I do. Yeah. And I know a lot of people aren't like that. Yeah. And maybe when you came out with saying that, you know, New York isn't for you, it caused people to like look in the mirror and be like, is New York really for me? Yeah. Because they've been told, you know, you have to be in New York. You have to be in L.A. To do it. And you're right. There is a different way to skin a cat. There's millions. It's an energy thing, though. Like, I noticed I've been here since Tuesday. And the pace that I'm

going at when I'm here is a much faster pace than when you're Texas. Yeah, it's different. And what it does is like the city sucks you into it. Yeah. And like you're at breakfast one minute and the next thing, it's late at night and you're having cocktails and you realize you've gone all day until one's why. I feel like that's what you have to be careful of and it sucks so many people in. You just get stuck in the momentum of like how fast the city moves. I talk to so many people that feel like the days go by quickly here. They're like, oh, I want to leave, but I don't even know if I have time to even think about what that would even look like. Yeah. 100%. What is the epiphany that makes you want to launch this brand? Like, where does this come from? Yeah. So I had been a creator

for a long time. It was sort of a slow burn for me. I'd been like working for other brands. And then I slowly started to gain a following and I started making YouTube videos, which we could talk about more later, but I really think that that has made a massive impact on my career and made my career what it is today. But I was basically in New York. I wasn't super happy, to be honest, I wasn't taking care of myself really well. I wasn't really happy. But I wasn't like out really miserable, but I just wasn't like in my, I wasn't like in my best space, I guess. Like you didn't feel aligned. Yeah. Like I wasn't crashing out online, but I did not feel aligned with myself. I was like going out a lot. I was just, even my content I wasn't super proud of. And

I used to talk a lot of my stories. And I was ranting one day about, I basically, it was a tipping point for me. I said, I'm drinking oat milk lattes every morning. I'm following all these trends. My body feels very inflamed and bloated. I'm buying all these supplements that I think I need. I'm also a creator and an influencer, so I also sort of feel like I'm part of the problem. I have become someone that is not really true to myself. Like, this is not me. And I said, I like whole milk in my latte. And when I order that, and it was kind of a joke. When I order that in New York, people looked at I mean, like, I had five heads. They flinch.

Yeah. And it was a joke. And I was like, you know what? F this. It's Dairy Girl Summer. I don't know what I've become. But I used to drink a massive, like, salad bowl worth of cereal with whole milk in it in the morning and felt great. When I was younger, I used to drink milk before bed.

I love dairy. I grew up in Vermont and I had so many family friends that had farms that had dairy cows. what am I doing? I was like, what am I doing and who am I becoming? This was right after COVID and I was just sort of like, it's Dairy Girl Summer, F this. Oat milk is really terrible for you. I don't care what anyone says. It is not good for you. No, it's so much sugar, so many additives. You should not be having oat milk, especially for women, it's so in flame, all of these milks that are not milk. Yeah, it's a lot of junk. And it was a joke, but it was a tipping point. It was a tipping point for me and kind of everything in my life,

which is funny because it started off as this like authentic moment because I had thousands of women responding to me being like wait can I start getting whole milk in my coffee again because this is I don't like this and this is gross and in a silly way like that was a big moment for me in my community because they felt like they felt it was relatable but they also felt like that in a really weird way that yeah like what are we doing here it was also the height of like fitness fitzpo, influencer culture. So I made a hat and it kind of like this vintage trucker hat and it's a dairy girl summer on it. And I sold thousands of these hats. And I couldn't believe it. And simultaneously, I had this mood board on Instagram that was a private account and it was all these like old photos

from when I was like younger and the horse farm that I grew up riding at. My childhood home is next to a riding school. So it was like photos from that and like chickens and like this sort of like life that I had when I was younger. It was sort of like just like a little mood board for myself. And I needed to make an Instagram account to sell these hats on. So I went, made it public. And I basically started selling hats on this account that was already a mood board. And then it, that was the brand. Then the brand began. And it really started though, like it was community is also a buzzword that I feel like is so used now with businesses and so many brands that don't have community are trying to build community now because they see brands like that have community and how that we are we are like the ones crushing right now

but I really did have a community of people before that was like a buzzword and from my YouTube but then from these girls who felt like seen in what I was sort of saying about milk which is funny but yeah it was a huge turning point for me and then when I started leaning into being more authentic and sort of like owning who I am and standing tent toes down on my beliefs and my values, I started becoming more authentic, Dairy Boy started becoming more authentic, and then it just like blew up because it was really, I think people watching me become the truest version of myself, return to my roots, go back to Connecticut, and lean into who I really am. And I think people want to buy from people, and I also think people, women, mainly we have a lot of majority of our customers are women, want to buy something that exudes this lifestyle. And Because it's so much more than a clothing brand. Oh, yeah, it is a lifestyle. Yeah, you're right.

A lot of this world we live in now with social and digital content is like there's so much information. And listen, we do it all the time. We produce a lot of content. But like you have to take personal account and like lean into your intuition as well. 100%. Like if I'm saying something and it doesn't resonate with you and maybe it makes sense for me but not for you.

Like you got to step back and like, is that right for me? Like what is my body saying? What do I feel is people? They're basically copy pasting. seeing information they hear that's working for other people and saying that that's my blueprint. Yes. Not many people have strong points of view anymore. Yes.

And I've always. Talk about that. Yeah. I've always had a really strong point of view. Even when I had that lemonade stand when I was six. But I think and that's what, what's interesting is it sounds like people that may like, it sounds like you came back to your point of view. I did.

So I lost that. Uh-huh. So like the thing that I felt like made me the most special, I started to lose that living in New York and lose that being a creator. Because while I'm an influencer and creator, I'm also consuming content. Like, no one consumes influencer content more than probably influencers. Like, people don't talk about that that much. But like, because if you're all, it's your work, but then it's what, you know, and then you're also looking what other people are doing. Like, for me, I needed to put the blinders on. I needed to go back to my roots. I needed to look at

myself in the mirror and be like, what is even my point of view anymore? What am I actually influencing? I was living in New York doing things that weren't true to my myself, not super healthy, not super happy. I didn't have my point of view anymore. And then I was like, what am I even influencing, actually? Like, what am I even really doing? And what is, when you get clear on that message, what are you influencing now? Yeah, I think, yeah, that's a great question. I think that I, and the word influencing is just so bizarre to me still, but I think that what, the message that I would love to think that I promote is that you could be in the, garden at the horse barn one day with your boots on and no makeup on, but then you could be at

Wimbledon or in the city and working, and you could be that girl, you could be the boss that owns the business. I work more than a nine to five, but I'm in the office every day, but I'm also, you know, supporting my boyfriend, my fiance and I'm also, you know, have chickens, but I also like love going to fashion week. You can do it all. And you also can like live a soft feminine life and be a business owner. And you can want to be taken care of by your partner. I know. I want her to take care of my feminine and be feminine and be like, you know, be in my feminine era but also own businesses and have a strong point of view and you can have it all. And I think that that is what, if you follow me, because I also, now my social media, I want to show people not tell

people. So instead of going on and telling people, hey, I'm this or I'm this or I'm this now, or I, whatever. I love when you say show not tell. Yeah. I think that is the way also to raised kids. You show not tell. Totally agree. By the way, everyone wants a hot tip on marriage. You show not tell. Yes. It's a lot of this. It's a set. You got to be subtle. It's past the catch-up. It's a little drop.

To your point, though, I think just the world in general does a really good job of beating individual uniqueness out of people. Yes. 100%. I mean, in COVID, like I'm not going to go on a rant about COVID, which I could. But it's a, it was a moment in time where there was a lot of people that

were not trusting their intuition. and we're not listening to common sense and we're not believing their own eyes and conforming because they're scared to step out and be like, wait a minute, I'm not sure about this. I'll go on a lighter topic. Oat milk is a perfect example.

The fact that a large group, I'll pick on women, of women were nervous to say like, I don't know if I like oat milk. I like whole milk. That's weird. It's because people are nervous to step out a line

and not conform to what's going on. And by the way, as it relates to social content and running on media. It's happening everywhere. Yeah. And like, you know, like we do this show,

but we produce a lot of show. shows. Right. And I watch a lot of people as like the kind of like media narrative or waves or political narratives shift and they get scared and like, well, I better not say this. And I'm like, no, say and do what you want to say and do. Right. Like it's that it's, it's not good for people to get on autopilot and stop actually saying what they actually want to say and what they actually believe. Yeah. I think that that's that is actually, I think a mistake that I made a little bit in the beginning of my career where I wanted to just be agreeable. And this was more when I think I lived in New York, and even actually in the beginning of Derry Boy, because I was so passionate about my

businesses that I don't, you know, you never want to say the wrong thing. And you don't want to like offend anyone. But I think, I think actually some of my favorite people that I look up to the most are just who they are. And I might disagree with like some of the things that they believe in, but they just stand 10 tones down on who they are. And those are the people that I find interesting. Those are the people that I think we need more of. It's okay to disagree by the way, I can remember too. Yeah. Like, even my, my CEO who's completely, like, changed my business as one of my closest friends,

we disagree all the time in, like, the best way. Like, we have to encourage disagreement because that is where, like, the best ideas come from. And that, like, contrast and those conversations, when we disagree about an idea, the final result is, like, incredible. And at Derry Boy, like, that is what, I mean, Derry Boy is now, I started as, like, you know, just me and my assistant in my house in Connecticut. But now it's, we've, like, it's a big, bigger, we have a bigger team now. And I have, like, real business partner and a CEO. And, yeah, we just, we're constantly challenging people in our

office to disagree and to, you know, not, it's not fighting, but it's just have those disagreements because we're not really, I feel like allowed to have those anymore in discourse about many things, whether it be oat milk or whether it be about how to raise your kids or, you know, everyone has such a strong opinion. And I think it's actually really healthy and good. And I hope that it kind of swings around. I think it takes people having these conversations for it to swing. Something that you and Michael and I have in common is that we both have businesses that have a lot of our childhood friends in them. Yes. And when I was researching you, I was like, oh my God, I've never met someone who's a founder that has all these childhood friends. Like Taylor right there sitting on the ground,

he's been harassing me since I was 12. I love that. I'm the same way. I have my best friends or my childhood friends and my mom works for Dairy Boy. My brother works on my design team. My best friend was my assistant and is now like running a whole college program for us. And then her mom is like, runs like accounting and a lot like it's a very friends and family. And on my CEO, I've known him for like 10 years. But that's another thing that they say. They, who the fuck is they? Yeah. They say don't work with friends. Don't work with family. I don't agree with that. I think there's nuances and there's different situations. It depends which friends and which family. Yeah, I think, I think, I think all ships rise, though. Like, all ships rise. Like, I want it.

Like, let's all do this together. And if I love you, I'm also, like, a very, very loyal person, like, to a flaw to the point where, like, I expect that amount of loyalty from everyone, because if I'm so loyal. And I think if you're loyal like that, you want to, you want those people around you. Because who are you going to trust more than the people that you've known for? forever. Yes. Like you don't have to do the NDA. Yeah. Like your family. Well like for Taylor over there, again, like known since we were 12 years old, him and I have worked together in everything that I've ever done. And but we are able to step back. So, okay, this, today we're having the business dynamic and conversation. And tomorrow we're having the best friend conversation. It's hard

though. But we've also had instances where we've worked with other friends and family. And like, when you can't make that switch and you can't just, you can't figure out like, oh, today is like this and that that becomes really messy. Right. Totally. And it's uncomfortable. How have you strategically built your team as you've scaled your business? Yeah. It's been one of the, I would say, hardest parts of building a business. I think a lot of people would say like managing personalities and managing people is the hardest part. Yes. A lot of learning lessons, I think I, I came into this, both my parents are doctors. So I didn't have any, from a small town, didn't spend And I didn't go to LA until I was like 21 and then barely spent any time in New York City.

So I really had no connections in the garment world or the industry, the entertainment industry at all. So that is really hard. It's really hard to start a clothing brand when you didn't go to fashion school and then you don't have any connections in the garment world. Because it's really about like who you know, getting good quotes from factories, getting good timelines and agreements and all those things. So it took me a long time to find people who could help me produce hyperactual. quality clothing. So the beginning was sort of a lot of trialing with people that like freelance who could help me make clothes. And then I realized because I'm like business savvy that I was getting pretty screwed on margins. And I was like, oh, I just like have to do this myself. Took years though.

I would say like every single year I've learned how to build a better team. And I just slowly over time, you know, just found the right people. Something about Dairy Boy too is like we didn't skip a chapter. Like, we did the hats and then we did the sweatshirts, and then we got into the more cut and sewed garments. And I slowly sort of got there. And I feel like I really learned and, like, I think took every step. I think that's something also people do nowadays is that they just want the final result immediately. Right. But they're not willing to, like, do the building blocks to learn how to get there. And I think that's not only defined who Derry Boy is, because I didn't skip a chapter, but it's all defined who I am.

Because I learned a lot. I've really, I've earned my seat here. Like, I've earned my seat in the fashion space. I make really high quality cut and sew garments that are affordable and special. I have an incredible design team that I built over four years. And I've, like, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, I really, like, had to learn and I wasn't handed anything. And I think nothing wrong with if you were. I mean, that sounds kind of nice.

But I think that that's also people who have followed Derry Boy for a while know that. It's important. You've done every, like, I think about like a McDonald's. We've literally done every job in the shop. Every job. So that's the best way to run and own a business. You understand every area of the business. I think it makes me a better boss.

Because when I'm speaking to people, I've actually worked in like sales associate. I've worked as a waitress. I've worked like I understand what it's like to also be employed to someone. How do you think about each drop you do? Because there's a lot of purpose and intention that I see behind each thing you do. It feels like you're telling a story. Yeah. And it's thoughtful with how even I was looking at your Instagram stories, how you sort of tease. What is your, what is your mindset around all of that? I really view it as storytelling. And I'm, I just sort of, it's like intuitive for me. Like, honestly, I feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, which feels pretty amazing. Yeah. But I think, I mean, even my day-to-day stories, I try to like storytell in the sense of like what, you know, I start my, I do a morning story. I do an afternoon story and I do a night story. And I always also like including some sort of like food.

for me, if you're following me, I want you to actually, I want it to add value to your life. Like, that's actually how I view it. So I don't want you to just follow me because, like, I like beautiful things and have like, you know, I wear outfits or I do makeup. Like, I want to really, so that's why I try to do a lot of recipes. I love to cook. I love the home. But I try to give, like, tips and tricks also. Like, I want to actually have, when you see my little story bubble, you actually want to click it because you actually know that like it's going to be something of substance. So that's also how I view dairy boy, quality over quantity. How I run my personal Instagram is how I run Dairy Boys Instagram.

So is this engaging? Like, does anyone care about this? Or is this just like filler? Is this just like an e-com photo that like no one actually is going to care about? Like what story is each thing telling? Like, for example, I'll post my PJs in the morning. The story that I'm telling is this is the PJs that I wore to bed. These are the PJs that I designed and I love them.

And this is like me in the morning. And then I go to work and I show something for my day at work. Something exciting. Maybe it's a tease. Maybe it's what I had for lunch. Maybe it's something funny that happened in the office. And then I go home and I wind down and I try to also show that. So that's a little story.

It's like a little vignette into like a day. And then with Dairy Boy, it's different, but it's also similar. There's an arc. There's like a story arc, right? So first I try to create collections that I feel like are fun. Like, I want to have fun with this. I want shopping to be fun again. So, for example, our last PJ drop was a farm friend's drop and each of them has a theme.

I also feel like I've, it's like, I don't have like a word for it yet, but I've sort of like beautified clothing. Like the fact that you want like collectibles, right? Like the consumerism of like, I have this PJ, but then I want this one at the next drop to like collect. This is why they're calling you. I was trying to explain this to Michael the next Ralph Lauren. You've heard that. Yes, yes.

That's what the headline is. Yes. It's a good compliment. It's so flattering. It's so flattering. And it was actually really for the first time, people have been saying that for a bit, but I only recently watched his documentary. Did you resonate? And I was just like shocked.

Yeah. I was shocked at, um, there's so many differences, but so many similarities and not even about the brands. Like we put the brand aside just like him and I as creative directors. Because that's really what I feel like I am. I mean it's like started with the ties. Yeah. Collection.

But it's the way that like I'm a dreamer. Like I'm a to my core with like my career. I'm very ambitious, but like I am like dreamer. Like I'm very like my life is like cinematic. When I listen to music, I'm like, I think of it as like something greater than life itself and and I view everything with like beauty like truly like I love waking up and I love like I'm I like romanticized life and he does that too and he was really into movies and cinema and like the romance of life and like making life feel like cinema feels and um again he's like I don't

feel like a fashion brand I don't feel like a fashion brand either he's like made clothes for life that's like what I say all the time um so it was really the clothes that he did is like the clothes that he did is basically built around the lifestyle that he wanted to leave. Yeah, and it's cool because that's how I design collections. So I don't, I don't design collections like fashion brands do. We stay on a calendar now, but I think of like a world and a time and a place and where I want to shoot the campaign and the concept, and then we design clothes into that. Cool. So if someone who worked at a traditional fashion brand came and looked at our like design meetings or came and looked at like our design studio that we have, because we have a pretty big design team now, they would be like,

This is completely different and a completely unique process. Even our collections look really different. For example, for fall, we have this collection that is like all fleeces and tops and jackets and like one pair of pants. And my designer, my design director, Maddie, she's amazing. She worked at Ralph Lauren and she worked at Love Shack and a few other brands. And she in the beginning was like, oh, we can't do this. Like we need to have a top with a bottom and it has to be like this. And it has to be, it's a very like corporate, like, you know, corporate fashion.

And we've completely thrown out the playbook or the rulebook. And I'm just like, no, I want to make these things. And this is what I want to wear in the fall. And this is the world. And people don't care. Like, they don't care if it's not like this like perfectly curated fashion collection. That's not why they're buying it. Especially these days.

Yeah. And I think that people have also tried to like discredit that, you know, that part of my business. Like, oh, it was like merch or it's, no, like it's a real. We're doing cut and sew garments. Like, I have a real design team that are from these fashion brands that love working at Dairy Boy more because it's more creative. It's more free. It's more unique. And, like, everyone has fun.

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Like, I mean, I could sit with you guys for four hours and tell you about, like, my childhood and where I went to school. And then, like, the jobs I worked in New York and then, like, why I'm an influencer. And then the lemonade stand. And social media can't encapsulate all of that. And if you just follow me on Instagram, because I like beautiful images and I like curating, you might think that, like, is there like a soul or like a person and thoughts and passion behind, like, these curated images? And I think that's why my YouTube has been so amazing because you can really get to know me. But I think, especially women, people want to just call us one thing and they don't want to take much time to think about it.

They don't like the nuances. They don't, they want me black or white. And also. They want to put you in the same thing. the box, tie it up. Yeah, and that's a lot easier for a lot of people. And I think it's also a lot easier for a lot of people to just believe like the quick thing that they saw, the quick headline that they saw. And listen, like in passing when you're following creators, public figures, you might see one thing about someone once. And that's like, and in your, and in your busy lives, that might

be like all that you're ever going to think. And it's not my job to prove, not of, I can't be our job is to prove anyone wrong. But I think that what has been amazing about Derry Boys as it's grown, it's undeniable that I work hard. And you can think all of you want about me. You could think whatever rumors that are not true, you could think whatever you want about me. All I really want to ever be known for and like the legacy that I want to leave is that I work my fucking ass off and that I love what I do and that I'm passionate about what I do. And I love my community. It's easier for people to say something was given or something fell in your lap. And what it is is like, listen, I've had that my entire life. My dad did well. People say, like, listen, my 82 year old dad did not give me a

digital media business in the podcast space. Absolutely not. But the point is that it's easier for someone to look at something that exists that's successful and say the only reason it exists is because it was given or it fell in or it happened easily. Because if not, if they have to actually say, wait a minute, that person worked hard, had a good idea, put a different spin on it that nobody else saw, figured out how to trudge through the shit, it's a reflection on like, well, why not me as well.

And then you have to go through the exercise of, oh, yeah, because then they can, because people have to come with the realization that if it wasn't given in your case or it wasn't just found that it's also possible for anyone. Right. That's also harder. Yes. It's requirements. Then it requires all the things that you've had to do to get true. And I think that's hard because you want to look at someone that's maybe around your same age or maybe that's in your same demo or maybe grew up the way you did and you want to be like, well, that only happened because somebody gave it to them. Instead of saying like, shit, I should have maybe applied some of the tactics they did some of the hard work because I could have the same thing. And I think what's happening even more is like when you start to see people

where that grew up in the same way you did or come from the same town or went to the same school, it's like it's a reflection of like why them and not me. It's a really interesting thing. Also, this is like kind of side note. But I, there were a few people that were like really, really nasty to me like harassing me level mean like just horrible, saying horrible horrible, things beyond just like hate. And actually was able to like find out who they were. And they were, most of them were from Connecticut. I'm sure. And that was really interesting to me.

Yeah, it was really interesting to me. Oh, that just gave me chills. Yeah, I've never shared that before. But that was really interesting to me because it actually was weirdly comforting. And I'll tell you why, because it was so, it made sense to me. Like, I'm also a very empathetic person. It makes sense because if you look at it. It's a reflection of them.

Yeah, but I think for some reason I thought I was, I don't know, Derry, we, a Derry Boy, we do have a lot of like Middle America, which I love. Like, I want to target those people. I want to target people that are not in New York and L.A. even more so than New York and LA because I want those people to feel included and like they're a part of something. But I was like, oh, maybe, I don't know, maybe this is like a Facebook mom somewhere. I don't know. I don't know why. I just, I did not think that. I don't know why. You have two choices, though, on how to look at people. Yeah. You can look at them in their success and be discouraged and shut down by it.

Or you could look at them and say, oh, my God, that's so inspiring. And that's the blueprint and the roadmap. Maybe not in the same path that I can take. And you really like, the perspective you have is going to determine your life. 100%. I always say, like, if you're even, like, reading these, like, forums or reading, like, nasty comments about people, I think, and enjoying it and engaging with it, I think it hurts you more than it hurts the other person. And I think that can go for life as well. Like, you know, how you view other people and how you view other people's success or how you undermine people's success directly impacts how successful you are and how productive you are. Do you think happy people that are enjoying and winning at life are sitting in Reddit threads reading hate about themselves?

No. No. Like, I'm sure, like, who knows what people are saying about us on any given basis? But, like, I'm enjoying my happy, successful life. And what I tell people that are engaging with that stuff is that has no impact on me. Like, what is it doing to you if you're consuming that way? It's not helping you. It's definitely harmful.

But what does make me sad because people have been really horrible since kind of it's, started becoming a thing, really particularly horrible to me. I've also just grown up in my 20s on the internet. So there's a lot to talk about. It's because you're doing a lot of phenomenal things. Yes, but you know, I've also like grown up on the internet, right? Like I've, they've seen me go through relationships. They've seen me grow up. So there's, and I'm on YouTube. So yes, I think there's a level of, you know, I have come into my own and find my happiness and success and they don't like it. But what makes me sad is that there are spaces like that because I think if you're struggling and you're insecure and you're really not doing well, it's like almost like a suck. Like it's like a black

hole for people who who want to trash other people and it makes them feel better temporarily about themselves and their situations. But I don't, I think that it should be like illegal. Like I think that it's so bad for people's mental health. And I'm not saying that because they're writing about me and that that's not fun. I like seriously, seriously think that it's bad for society. Well, I think inherently we know that we should not be thinking this. way. Yeah, but it's nasty. Well, then you go to a space, like, oh, it's not just me. There's other nasty people like me. But hate breeds hate. And like, we need so much more like love. And like, it just, it's really, I really, really think it's like seriously scary. And I also think that like,

I don't know, I've been lucky that I've like grown to have tough skin. And I, it's never impacted my business. It's not, it's probably helped. It's probably helped. This is just like not to keep going on and on about this, but I actually was talking to someone recently about this. I think having hate and love creates this contrast that actually makes you have more aura. And like, it's actually like, and I haven't found like a good way to say it, but I actually think it's like kind of important that if they're like that conversation of like disagreement about someone, unless it's like cancel and you're like actually a horrible person and you're like horrible, no. But that like conversation about someone, again, if you have a strong point of view, if you're not always agree with,

is necessary and not bad. But I think I, as a creator, people are going to talk and say things about me. And that's something I've learned to, you know, accept. And I'm like, okay with it now. And I actually think like discourse is fine. I think, too, it's a kind of experience stretching with hate. Like, I have heard everything I could possibly hear that it doesn't hurt my feelings. Oh my gosh, no.

But if it would have happened to me like 10 years ago, it would have hurt my feelings. Here's the thing that also... And now I'm just like, oh, that person's hurting. Like, you just don't even think of it. I've never in all the years and watching her and she, you know, just a bigger profile online than me, but like doing this, read everything under the sun on, like, people online. I've never once had one person in my personal life in real life come up to me and say anything.

But by the way, that's like what's... Because of my aura, but... Yeah, love it. But really, like, so what's interesting to me is like, it... You know, like people that get mad and they're like all this political stuff. Like, go out in the real world. are just doing their thing. Like, you're not having these nuts scream in your face. As a matter of fact, if you were in a restaurant and somebody was rabidly screaming, you'd be like, they need to leave.

Well, people would look at them like they were a psychopath, right? And so I think it's, um... People have gone way too comfortable. Yeah, it doesn't happen. I mean, I guess I'm like also, you know, back, I'm a little bit older than you guys, but, you know, back in the day you pop off or someone like that, like, you can end up with your tooth in the back of your throat. You know what I mean? Like, wait, I say this all the time and I like cannot say this because it's like... But I just think it's like, we grew up in an arrow where like, you couldn't do that kind of stuff. Oh, no, you get punched in the face. You need to be careful. Yes. Someone tweeted once being like, we've, um, it's gone too far.

Like, basically people are not worried about they're going to get punched in the face when they say stuff anymore. I will fucking punch you right in the face if you say something to me in person. Wait, but like I love that. By the way, I think that that's a good. We're not doing that anymore. You've been there done that. Do you use to get into our fight?

Oh, my God. I thought, like, that's kind of tea. It was a, it was kind of hot for a minute. Yeah, I was going to say. And then finally I was like, no, we're not doing this. 21. Like, no. But I mean, like, I grew up like playing hot.

hockey and boxing and doing all this stuff. And I mean, Taylor knows like back, I mean, like, back of the day, like, you just like, you just, you like kind of showed up proper with people. Wait, I agree. We need to get back. Like, like, let's square up. Like you would like, like you would have to. And now, like, you'd have to like, yeah, like, if you said something wrong, you'd have to like, quickly like, hey, I'm sorry for saying that. Because like if not, you're going to be out in the parking lot rolling around in the weeds. Yeah. But, um, but, um, no, I think. So I don't know. When like, I guess like, and I don't like to really go down that memory lane with me because it was dark and I, I need. I need. I need. But what I would say is... To tennis. But what I would say is... Bar fights, tennis. But once you've been actually... Real quick, once you've actually been punched in the face and punch someone in the face, then someone's saying they don't like what you said on a podcast really doesn't have much effect.

I love that and agree completely. Where on earth did you find that beautiful Chanel piece? Not your... I was going to say he is the most precious. I'm talking about the Chanel tennis piece. I was going to ask the follow-up question about your fiance. Excuse me. I saw this Chanel vintage piece.

First of all, the tennis ball shoes. Insane. That, what was that? My stylist is the most incredible. She's a close friend of mine and also, yeah, just my stylist and sources me stuff. And I had sent her these shoes a long time ago, and she found them. They're so cute. So cute.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, go to her Instagram. You thought I was going to say, where did you find that beautiful fiancé? Yeah. Sorry to your fiance. I was talking about the shoes. It's okay. They're both, you know, tennis related and fun and beautiful.

Your fiance is beautiful specimen as well. He is. Yeah. Okay. Tell us, you got to tell us about how you meet your tennis fiance. Yeah. And how you've created this world and story around tennis. So as a, I guess I'll start with how we met.

So I was living in New York and this was actually around the time where I had planned to leave New York. So I had, we met. during the U.S. Open, like during that U.S. Open swing, and I had already signed my lease in Connecticut, so I was planning on leaving, and I was sort of like packing up my apartment. And we connected on Instagram and he invited me to a match. Hold on, hold on. Yeah. What does he say? Oh, this is good. This is good. I felt like I already told this story, but I'll tell it to the people that don't know. Okay. So he had a few weeks before the U.S. Open liked a bunch of really random photos of mine. Oh, that's the oldest trick in the book. I love it. We, but by the way.

By the way, I've, like, I've been DMed. I've dated. Like, no one had done this to me. Creative. Creative, but also apparently something that's like, Tommy was like, oh yeah, like, that's like, that's like the move. It is the move. It's, I like that's, I like that's, I like that's, I like, I've been with Lauren since I was 20 years old. I think before Instagram even existed.

So I'm not. But you've maybe heard of it, guy friends, like the, like the, like the wholesome photos. They go back. Well, I have. No, no, not the thirst traps, though. No, yeah. Yeah, guys do this. I have had my friends tell me.

No one had done this to me. Okay. So, yeah, it was really precious. He liked really specific, me eating oysters. I'm sure he loved that eating oysters for him. Yeah, which, by the way, I said I'm never going to marry a man who doesn't like oysters because I want 24 when I go to dinner and you need to order them with me. And if you're looking at me like, I'm disgusting. I like, well, want to die. So he likes the oyster photo first. Then he liked a photo of me with my horse. And then he liked a photo of me with my family. He hit like the trifecta. Wow. And I was like, who is this guy? He was like this really handsome tennis player, and I had never been DM'd by a tennis player. I have never, like, DM'd a tennis player. Like, this was, this was, it felt like very. Kismet?

Yeah, like, special. And like, oh my gosh, I was like, this is so sweet. He didn't DM me. He didn't DM me. And I was like, who is this guy? And he didn't, not to be rude, but, like, maybe I don't think this is rude, but he had like, he had like 40, 400,000 followers on Instagram. Like, like, so he was like, let me ask you this.

That sounds like room, but he wasn't like, I don't. For the girls in the room, like, do you want a guy with a bunch of followers? No, no, no, no, we don't. No, we don't. We know. We've been there, done that. No, yeah. No, no, no.

Two hundred and 15. Yeah. No, I didn't. So it was like, fuck, I like the picture of the girl's asshole. Wrong one. So the reason I'm bringing up the followers is because I, um, being a influencer in New York, you're DM by a lot of influence, sorry, athletes traveling through the cities. So, yes.

Yes. But I think you also particularly were probably... I also think I like... I'm giving up the vibe. They're giving out the vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That part. Yeah. I was also like I'd like platinum blonde hair. That's like very, yeah, very, yeah. But they weren't as creative as Tommy. They were not. So I was really done with athletes I decided. Okay.

Until Tommy. And this is kind of different, though. It is different. I agree. I was really done with athletes. And he seemed like it was wholesome. Yeah. And then he didn't DM me. And then he didn't DM me. And I was waiting.

And then he liked a few more photos. And then I DM'd him. What did you say? And I said, hello, question mark? Like, hello? And then he goes, hey, babe. And I go, oh, no. Like, oh, this is not good.

This is not good. The babe was not good. Babe was really not good. I was like, oh, yuck. It's a little wholesome, though, kind of. Babe? I don't know. I'm like, whoa, like, you've done this before.

Oh, okay. It's just sort of like slutty to me. Yeah, babe. I get that. I like slutty sometimes, but yeah. I mean, Babe, but like, I was just like, oh, yuck. Like, oh, no. I also. You know, see?

He's literally writing it down with his phone out. Yeah, Babe is insane. Babe is crazy. And by the way, when I met him, I was like, who stole your phone? because he's not like the babe type of guy. Like he's not like, he's not the most like flirtatious, like, perfect for marriage. Yeah, he's not, yeah, perfect.

He's not flirtatious. He's not, doesn't like, gummy. No, and he's just very, like, humble and quiet. And he's not like, the best. So he was, like, kind of being performative with the babe. Okay. But it's still, I was like interesting. And then he would exchange numbers and we were like, oh, we'll meet up during the U.S.

Open. Like, we'll make plans. And then he texts me and then he's not making a plan with me And then I see he's at the Mets stadium Like doing something And I just FaceTime him And apparently he was like shook by this

He was like FaceTime out of the blues aggressive Yeah but I'm like I'm a straight shooter I like that I'm very straight shooter I'm like are we doing this or like are we not doing this And I was like are we hanging out tonight And he was he told me he was trying to play it cool Because he thought that if he made plans with me

I would have been like gotten the ick He also said that if I DM'd him if sorry, if he had DMed me, I wouldn't have responded, which is true. Because I was over-athletes. You probably would have gotten the ick, honestly. It's really easy to get the ick when you're starting out, I feel like. Yes, and I also just like, again, I was over athletes, and I knew what, and if he had DM me, I would have known what he was doing.

It's the U.S. Open. He's coming in for the week. He wants to hook up, and then he's going to move on to the next tournament. Okay. So his plan worked, and I called him, and he was with all of his friends that are now all in our wedding. And I was like, okay, so are we hanging out tonight or what? Like, either we're hanging out.

out, like, because I also know these guys have multiple girls lined up when they're in the cities for, so I was like, you're going to go out to dinner with me, and we're going to go out to dinner and you're going to see if you like me, and you're going to cancel all your other dates. This is in my head, by the way, though, that is confident and smart because you're right. Like, no guys going to a city single and not having, these are just, I got the one. I'm only going to focus on the one. By the way, I had a roster too. Like, I have guys too.

You can't be upset about that, though. That's the plan. Yeah, like, you're both playing the game here. And I was like, I'm going to be the first girl because I want to be your first date in New York because I also had this weird feeling that he was going to be my husband. Like that's really weird, but I had this feeling where like, I don't know, I had this feeling like he could be my husband. I can't explain anything.

There was just like a feeling in my bones. Intuitive. And I also don't, I didn't have that with every guy that I dated. So it wasn't just like that's like my thing. So where did you guys meet up? He invited me to a match first. Oh, to watch him? That's amazing.

That's amazing. That's amazing. It's so good. Just give up, guys. Go, no. Tim, you better pick up a sport. I felt in love. I was like, I was sitting there like, oh, yep, this is, yep, I'm getting married to this man.

Yep, yep, yep. I was like picture, my life flash before. You got to get a sport gone? Yeah, of course. It's still hot that he's like out playing. It was a five-setter against another American. It was an incredibly intense match. I told him I brought a friend.

I actually brought my mom because my mom knows tennis. That's cute. Yeah, he didn't know that though because I thought he might think that was weird. My mom was like, I didn't know much about tennis. When I thought about tennis, I thought of Venus and Serena. I, like, didn't even know there was, like, men tennis players. And then I realized that there were. I mean, I knew there were, but I...

It's such a cool sport. It's so cool. But it was such an intense match. The U.S. opens electric. I fell in love with him. I was, like, it was so good. He played it so good. And then I thought that, like, he could come meet me at, like, the bar after the match.

So that was, like, funny because I was like, oh, you can, like, come and get a drink with me. He was like, I cannot, like, go out on the crowns at the U.S. Open. You can't? I didn't know that either. He's one of the athletes. Yeah. It would be like a Yankees player like playing a game and then going to like the like the bar.

It's like Tom Brady going and getting a hot dog after the beginning. Yeah. I gotta be honest. I don't understand sports that much. Wait. I don't understand. You can't like into the stands with the crowd and be like, hey guys like grabbing a beer. I just like didn't know.

I was just like you're not going to drink a honeyduce with me. And then after the match we went to. A honeydew? Oh wait. You haven't been to the US Open. You need to go. No, I haven't been. The honey juices.

Can you convince my husband to go? Come to Tommy's match. I would, like, I would go if I'm invited in that way. I do not like to. You need to be in the box. No, he wants every last thing to handle. You need to be in the sweet. I'm not in the, yeah.

He's a brat. I'm a bat. I actually go as far to call. I've never called you this on the show. He's a snop. Oh, okay. I'm not. But you earn that.

You are in life. I just don't want it. Like, listen. You don't want to be schlepping. I don't want to be schlepping around sweating in a suit in the stands. He doesn't like to sweat. He doesn't like to schlep. He doesn't like to do anything that's not.

like perfect air condition. You want it. But that's going to lead to a very beautiful like life for you. Oh, I just don't do anything. Yeah, it's perfect. I'm trying to teach my daughter what to expect when she starts getting out there in the world. I'm like, some guy's making you schlep through the thing. Like, no, no, it's not.

Okay, so honey juice. It's the iconic gray goose drink at the U.S. Open. It is so good. I legitimately, I'm like drunk the whole U.S. Open. I would like to be drunk on a honey juice. You come to the match. I've been on a bender out here in New York for the last four days. I'm having honey deuses at my wedding.

That's so good. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, I'm really excited. Your wedding's going to be so good. Thank you. I'm really excited. It's, I've, yeah, I've been so deep in the planning.

I'm so excited. I'm not stressed at all. Like, I'm just, it's just so exciting. I think you're not stressed because what you do for a living is almost like planning a wedding with each lunch. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I also think that I'm so decisive and I know myself so well that it's very easy for me to

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Wedding is very soon. Okay. Yeah, you guys will be seeing everything very soon. I've been really trying to kind of stay low-key as a bride on Instagram because I I really want, I don't want people to have seen me in 10 gowns. I get that. Before, like, when you see me in my dress, you're not going to have seen me in any other gown. I totally get that.

And you were going to know that that was my dress. And there's no other option. I like a big reveal, too. Yeah. Like, I want my community to be, you know, like, excited and the surprise. And it's been really, it's not been, like, stressful at all for me. I love that. Yeah.

Are you having bridesmaids? Yes. Okay. So Tommy has. I have so many childhood friends and Tommy has so many friends. He's having 10 and I'm having 10, which is a lot. But I feel like you have to have a lot or none because... Yes, I matched his.

Because if you have a little, it's like you cut a lot of people out. But a lot now it's like... Yes. And to me, weddings truly are a celebration of your friends and your family as well. And I think that that's also what's made me not to like to my home room, but not Bridezilla because I'm not even viewing it is only about me. Like, this is about my mom and my dad. Tommy's mom and dad and my best friends and our family. Like, it's really like a celebration of all of us.

Like, I feel like I'm hosting a party for all of us. That's adorable. I love that. Yeah. Before you go, you have to share your like page kit with the audience of how to design life on your own terms. I think you've done a really good job of that. Thank you. I think that taking care of your space, even the small things. Like if you're in college, find bed sheets that you love, find a duvet that you love, have beautiful candles, have flowers. Like even to that extent, obviously, like, I'm living in like a whole home now in Connecticut, but even when I didn't have that or I couldn't afford that, I would like make my little studio apartment feel like beautiful. So I think the small things, like a wooden cutting board if you live in the city or like cook yourself dinner. I think make your space feel beautiful. And you don't have to spend a lot of money to do that.

We have to do a couple quick beauty questions before you go just for the audience. Okay. Eyebrows. What are you doing for your eyebrows? Getting them done in Greenwich with Sadie. She's the best. Tint? Sorry, Michael. Just tune out for a minute. Tint? Michael, like, no tint. My hair is so dark. My eyebrows would look insane. Okay, and what are we doing for the skin?

The skin, I have a facial every two weeks. Okay. That's my, yeah, what else am I doing? Lymphatic. I got you an ice roller for your wedding. Wait, I'm obsessed. You have to have an ice roller. I have an OG one. No, you got to get the new one. It's the fresh one. Okay. I'm so excited. The wedding, you have to, I feel like you, like, DM me. Okay.

We'll get all the bridesmaids ice rollers. That would be so fun. You have to have ice rolls. Okay, I'm obsessed. It can come out in like silver ice. What, like a cute, you know, like the champagne. Dairy boy champagne bucket. Obsessed.

Okay. What else for the skin? What else for the skin? I've been obsessed with the skin pseudicles Ptiox serum because it literally looks like glass. Uh-huh. Do you use it? I love it. The silver one.

Yeah. Oh, stop, Michael. Just fuck off. The silver one. Fuck, Michael. I mean, your skin looks pretty glassy. What are you using? He has a 10-step. Love.

He talks, I can't, that he just involved himself. But yeah, it's like very glass skin. Right, it's a silver one. Okay. Makeup? Makeup. Um, literally obsessed with the anything Victoria Beckham Beauty. Oh my god.

That eyeliner? The eyeliner. I'm wearing the foundation today is the Augustine Bader. Oh, good. It is just so expensive. It makes me like nauseous. But I was like, oh, this is why. like, oh, this is why it's so expensive.

It's sparkly. Oh, it's just, yeah. Yeah. And when you walked in, the skin is like so good. Thank you. Are freckles real? Real. Real flackerel.

I used to get paid of fun of for my freckles. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I love the freckles. People are tattooing freckles now. They are, but I used to, like, oh, guy once told me, like, girls with freckles aren't pretty. Yeah. And I was like.

Where is he? Where the fuck is he? He's the one that's talking shit on your Instagram. Yeah, he's probably trolling me somewhere. He's probably trolling me somewhere. Yeah, it is probably. Lip gloss. Sorry, Michael.

Lip gloss. What do I actually? The clinic black honey is like my, I'm wearing it today. It's my tried and true. Nail polish. These are questions. Russian manicure. All day.

All day. All day. Not even a question. Do not even get a manicure if it's not a Russian manicure. Don't even dry. Natural nail or Russian manicure. A hundred percent agree. Yeah.

Okay. I feel like, did I ask all the beauty questions? Oh, hair. I know. I missed hair. I got to ask. About hair. Just like what are we doing for hair? I am stopped bleaching the absolute shit out of my hair. I think everyone looks better with their natural hair color. Grie. With a subtle highlight. Go look at a picture of yourself when you're five. And change your hair color to that. That is how you look youthful forever. Yep. I looked 10 years older when I was platinum blonde. Same. Yeah. It was crazy. What is going on with that? You know, it's tough. Because like in my bones, I would love to be a Scandinavian blonde. Like I like in my speech, spirit, I have 22-inch blonde hair, but that is just not what I was born with. So you just have to,

like, you know what I'm saying? Yes. I trust my hair has never looked better than changing. You have beautiful hair. Organ meat. Wow. Okay. Give me it. Liver. Oh, okay. Can you go kill the cow out so I don't. You kill the cow. Get the liver. Whatever you're taking, I need some. The heart, the liver. Your hair is ridiculous. I eat so much organ meat. Wait, this is so interesting. I think I can say this to you because you can. Oh my God. I love it all. I love all that stuff. Organ meat and am knows. No, it's getting the proper nutrition, Martin. Yeah. That's why you. The liver has more. Is it like a subscription, like a box I can get? I'm in a, I'll text to you the whole. I have a whole text. I feel like we're just like we have so many things. No, I'm telling you. But like, but here's the problem. But here's the problem. People. People. Oh, steak. Give me the stakes all days. I can have steak every day. Yeah. I mean, like, if you wonder like, if things aren't going well, it's like, you know, you got to eat proper nutrition. You can have the oat milk and like the, you know, the chemical process food. I have to ask you this question too before we go.

Workout. Yeah. Workout? Yeah, I run and I do Pilates. Running is like a dying thing. People don't want to run anymore. You know why I am scared to run? It's hard on your body.

I feel like I'm going to get a jowl. You don't have a jowl. You have a tight face. But I, for me, like, I don't know if it's because, like, I've had three kids and I've got, like, it's like a lot shaking. Just get a really good, like, you have to get really good sports bra. Like, I don't know what we got to do, but I also don't want. like, I'm worried like I'm in a sag.

You don't, like, you look opposite of sassy. No, no, no. I credit, like, my legs to running. Okay. But the one thing I will say, I'm very like whole milk, meat, you know, I'm that type of girl, but I'm also, like, people might not know this about me. I'm really into Chinese medicine, really randomly. Okay.

But, like, for balancing my hormones and, like, the supplements, it, like really keeps my body, like, balanced. And the one thing she told me when I met with her, she was like, you have a lot of, like, internal fire and, like, heat. I some of them to break out here. And she was like, sometimes my period wasn't regular. When I started running, my period got regular. I stopped breaking out. And this, this beautiful woman who practices Chinese medicine told me to start running. Because also, like, I have a lot of, like, energy I have to give out. Like, and sweat. But it's not just, like, sweating in a sauna. It's like getting it out. Like, and she gave me that advice. And ever since I started doing that, I've, like, much more balanced as a person. That makes total sense. You run hot like that too. I feel like running for you would get it out. Yeah, if you run hot or if you're like... I need to do things like not necessarily running, but I need to do things to like move. Like today we went on a walk today and I was like... But are you sweating because sweating's really important. I sweat a lot. Okay good. Okay. Kind of gross. Kind of gross. I mean I just I can, I heard that it's kind of gross. It's kind of gross. I'm not like right. Right now I'm not sweating. But like if I start working out or if I go in a sauna, I can sweat quick. Okay. I actually think that's good for you. It's really good for you. It's very detoxing. Can you text me your Chinese medicine doctor?

Of course. Okay. Yeah, it's not good if you can't sweat easily. I don't think. She's so calming. Because it's your body removing things. I have wanted you on the show for so long. I'm so happy you came on.

Thank you so much for having me on. I'm really honored. Your questions were like really thoughtful and I love what you're doing. Thank you. I think it's great. You're welcome to come back anytime. I would love that. Should we do a part two after the wedding and give a wedding recap?

Can we do that actually? 100%. Swear to God. Should we do it in Connecticut while milk and cows? But I would love that. Also like around the U.S. Do you get nervous about going on shows? People are going to try to lean into just like conversations that aren't productive. I get a few reasons. I actually did want to talk about this

today. I don't know if you can include it or not, but I don't, I've had the opportunity to go on some amazing podcasts and I don't like doing it because I think two things. There's a positive and a negative. The negative is that I think when women in business overly promote themselves, people don't like it. I think when people, when you try to like shove yourself and your, in your point of view down people's throats too hard, you become unlikable. And when you promote too much, like, I think when you go on, like, sharing how much revenue you do. Like, if I told you how much we were doing a Dairy Boy, you'd be like, whoa, that's really amazing and impressive. But I'm never going to share that until one day when it's intentional and maybe, you know, down the line when there's like a...

Well, the problem is a lot of these reporters, they, like, want to do a piece, but they want you to tell the revenue. A lot of these, like, they won't do it without the revenue. Like, I wasn't on Forbes. Like, I was supposed to be on Forbes 30 under 30 for the past two years, but they wouldn't do it because I wouldn't share how much money it was making in here. I was like, I don't care. I don't want to be on Forbes 30 under 30 because I'm not sharing. I don't want to come, go on and talk about my money. I think it's like in poor taste to talk about finances until, you know, if there's like an acquisition happening, I'll go on and do podcasts.

But I think so again, first of all, I think when you overly promote as a business owner as a woman, people don't like it. They don't like to hear how successful you are. They don't like to hear it you overly promote. So I've been very careful about that. That's first of all. And then second of all, I think that when you're a woman, people want to put you in a box. they want to talk about the men that you've dated, or they want to talk about other things that are just so not relevant, but maybe for the drama podcast or the gossip podcast, that's what

they sort of thrive off of. And I... It's easier to get ratings. That's why they do it. Yeah. I just like, I refuse to put myself in that position because I'm, I don't need to, my livelihood and my career and my success and my views have nothing to do with that. And I could have milked so much more in my life and in my career. I could have milked so many more situations. I like would never do that to those people. Like I would never do those to people. I don't want to talk about other people. There are even people and women that have been horrible to me and wronged me that I could sit and talk to you about and people would probably be interested in. But I would, even though I don't like this person or that person or at X, they're not here. I can't have a one way conversation

about someone when they're not here. Like, does that make sense? Like it makes sense. And I will also tell you. I think it's unfair. Why we podcast the way we podcast. Yeah. And it's not gossip. clickbait, juicy, whatever. Yeah. I don't want to be in a low vibration. It is low vibration. I have no interest in that. That is so true.

I don't enjoy. Yeah. It's low vibration. Right. And we don't want to contribute to people's downfalls or failure. And absolutely. That's why I wanted to come on today. Like the questions you guys ask are like so lovely.

And I've watched so many of your guys podcast. And I'm just such a fan. Thank you. I think that you guys will have a long. career in this because of like the way that you are as people because you can't hide that in these podcasts like who you really are just in 10 years i'm getting a little tired oh no no shit um but it is so low vibration and and it's not that i would not like if we went to get drinks i would tell you like all my tea and i would tell you about the girl who did this horrible thing to me or like whatever

whatever in the industry right but on a podcast i think it's unfair like i think it's unfair to throw jabs, I think it's unfair to talk shit about other people and give your side of the story when someone's not there. It's not fair also for us as host to take advantage of people in that way because we know the reach and the impact that it'll have and I know it's dangerous. It's we could put people in really bad positions. Yeah, it's irresponsible. But also like even if someone was horrible to me, I still wouldn't want to do that stuff. It's like, I guess like for the people that are thinking about doing something like this. It's short-lived because yes it is. You can burn people for a year or two or three. Then you burn with them. And then at some point, those people, their reps,

the people that know them are going to say, if you go to those properties, they will burn you. And then people just are not going to want to go on the show. I have to be honest, though. I really am interested in conversation that's uplifting and up levels my life and the audience's life. And I think when I DM'd you to invite you on the show. Originally, two years ago? Long time ago. I said to you, I don't give a shit. I don't know how I said it. I said, I don't give a shit about any of this. I want to talk about your business. Yeah. And I think we did do that in this episode. And I hope and I know that it will inspire a lot of women who are thinking about launching a business or they do have a business. Yeah. That's the kind of impact that I want the show to

have on people. And you do. And you do. And I'm really, really, like, honored to be here. You're great. And I definitely want to interview you after your wedding. And congratulations on all the success and the engagement and everything. I know. I feel like I'm going to so much, I don't know, I'm really excited for like the wedding recap. Because haven't been sharing that much. So after there's going to be like so much to talk about. Where can everyone find you? They probably already follow you. But tell us. Paige Lorenz on everything. And then, um, dairy boy. Also, we have a farm stand now. So we've also, you can come visit us in person at the farm stand. Tell us about that really quick. Basically, I became very close friends with this woman who

ran this farm stand and she was closing it because she couldn't afford to keep it up and it was really run down and then we basically financially supported her to like start the farm up again. We put a well in and got more farmers. And then now it's like the Dairy Boy Farm Stand. And it's like real vegetables from Connecticut. It's the most beautiful, delicious farm stand. Is it in Connecticut? It's like 10 minutes from my house. You need to live in Connecticut. Wait, why don't you? If you guys, was that ever on the map? Connecticut? You're going to kill me. Well, I don't say anything about Connecticut because you've never been. It's really special.

I've never been to Connecticut. And the lifestyle is incredible. The winter's a little tough. But so here's what, here was the assessment. I like a tough winter though. Like let's get, yeah,

because it makes the spring and the fall so much better. Yeah. My family's still, her family's now in Texas, but my family was in California and San Diego. And so we left and I was like,

okay, we have kids kind of, like, you don't want to tear the kids that far away. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know like. Let's go look at Connecticut.

Yeah. I feel called to look at Connecticut. You know what I like to do with these places? Like, I like to go and maybe I'll rent a place for two weeks or so and then I see. I like to live my life as you never know. Should we film the podcast at my house? Yes.

And then you guys can visit. Do you know how to milk a cow? Yeah. Can you show me out of milk a cow? Yeah. I don't like actively milk cows, but I know how to milk a cow. Because my best family friends at a dairy farm. If you show me how to milk a cow, Paige, thank you for coming on.