The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Paris Hilton: The Truth Behind The Persona — Fame, Trauma, & Reclaiming Her Story

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

#932: Join us as we sit down with Paris Hilton –  global icon, entrepreneur, philanthropist, recording artist, DJ, & more. As CEO of 11:11 Media, Paris has harnessed her self-made spotlight to architect a thriving entertainment & consumer products empire. In this episode, Paris dives into nostalgic 2000s culture, discusses how the media landscape has evolved, her pioneering role in influencer culture, opens up about her advocacy work against emotional growth schools, discusses her efforts to legislate against AI-generated explicit content, shares insights on managing ADHD, & touches on her latest documentary, Infinite Icon: A Visual Memoir. To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To connect with Paris Hilton click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode. Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone]. To learn more about Paris Hilton visit https://parishilton.com. Infinite Icon: Visual Memoir, coming to a theater near you on January 30th.  This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential Your skincare routine, reimagined. Shop The Skinny Confidential Face Towels today at https://shopskinnyconfidential.com/products/face-towels. This episode is sponsored by Branch Basics  If you want to try the Premium Starter Kit today and get 15% off, head to http://BranchBasics.com and use my code SKINNY15 for 15% off your first order.  This episode is sponsored by Experian Get started with the Experian App now! Results will vary. Not all bills or subscriptions eligible. Savings not guaranteed. Paid membership with connected payment account required. See http://experian.com for details. This episode is sponsored by The RealReal Get $25 off your first purchase when you go to http://TheRealReal.com/skinny. This episode is sponsored by Purely Elizabeth Visit http://purelyelizabeth.com and use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off to taste the obsession yourself. This episode is sponsored by Puori Use code SKINNY at http://puori.com/SKINNY to get 32% off Puori Creatine+ when you start a subscription. This episode is sponsored by Maui Nui Head over to http://mauinuivenison.com/SKINNY. Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Our guest today is someone who didn't just participate in pop culture. she created it. Long before social media, personal branding, or influencer culture had names. She was already doing it at a global scale. She's a businesswoman, a media pioneer, a mother of two, a wife, and a cultural icon who has been inlessly copied, constantly underestimated, and quietly 10 steps ahead the entire time. I personally have felt connected to her since high school because I always related to the idea that being put in a box was boring. And she's one of the first women I ever saw who refused to stay in one. Anyway, she has built an empire why the world has watched.

And today we get to hear the story in her own words. Please welcome Parasulton. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Welcome to the show. I feel like I have to start this off with saying that I've, feel like TikTok and social media culture, influencers, the podcast, none of this would exist without you. How did you know to tap into all of this before anyone? Thank you. I feel that in my whole life, I've always been very ahead of my time and it's something that just is in my

DNA. And it all really happened like very just authentically. Like I wasn't like, planning like, oh, I want to be an influencer. It was just like me living my life. Poperazzi the world was watching and it just all happened. It's amazing to see that it's inspired so many other people and really created this blueprint. And I'm really proud. Did you know you were creating a blueprint for other people when it was happening? I wasn't even thinking about it in that way. Again, it was just like so authentic. It was just literally just me living my life. And I think also with my ADHD,

it's like something that just like gives me this creativity and like a million thoughts going at once and willing to take risks. And that's why I've been such like a trailblazer and an innovator and just doing things first. It's interesting though watching you all these years. And I was thinking we were talking off air how long we've done this.

And we had the fat you in our podcast but it's been like eight years ago. And we were talking about you on that, show with him a long time ago. And he was like, people need to give Paris for flowers because what he was doing at the time, I think it was like a wine beverage and the way he built his brand. And we were debating it. And what we were also saying was what's interesting about you is you're like a one of one. And I mean like you can do things that if other people did, that you'd be like, I don't know. But like when you do it, there's some like people understand like,

oh, that's you. Have you always been that way? Have you always felt like you've been that way? I feel like I have. I've always been an original. I've always been one of the kinds. And I've always lived unapologetically since I was little. Where do you think that confidence comes from? I think being an Aquarius. Our daughter's in Aquarius. Well, we're amazing people. And the ADHD, again, my superpower. And just my mom is incredible. So just being raised by Kathy Hilton, who is. the OG. Also, yeah, iconic. We've had Kathy on the show. We love Kathy. She's the best. How have you used your ADHD to your advantage? Because I feel like you have. Well, Lauren's newly self-diagnosed. A lot of it thinks to you, though, because I've started to learn more about it through you. I'm so happy to hear that. Growing up, you know, no one was talking about it when I was a teenager, especially for girls and women. You know, everyone just would say, oh, this is like something little boys have.

So I was always so confused. And in school, it was so difficult for me. As hard as I would study, I could never remember anything. I was always failing my test. I was just always in detention, getting in trouble. It was always just very difficult for me. And back then, everyone always only said the negative parts about it. And that's why I really wanted to reframe it.

And I see it as my superpower. And I wouldn't be the entrepreneur I am today without it. gives me like this drive and always being in the future. And there's the hard parts about it to it. It's very overwhelming. And with the RSD, which is like rejection sensitivity, dysphoria, like where you just like feel things on such a deep level. And it's just like it could be like so painful. If like if you feel like anything negative, it's like very difficult at sometimes. But now I know it's not real. It's just like the RSD picking in. So there's so much to learn. I'll tell you even more about it, but I'm obsessed with learning more about it and spreading the message because I want people to know that it doesn't have to be something that holds them back in life.

It could be something that they can harness as a superpower to really go for their dreams in life. Nobody's ever talked about RSD. How did you know you had it? RSD, 99% of people with ADHD suffer from RSD. And it's called rejection sensitivity, dysphoria, or DMN, which is the default mode network. My doctor, this Dr. Hollowell, who's like one of the leading psychologists in ADHD, told me all about this. But it's basically like any thought of like a negative perception of you think someone is being rude or you like feel something. You will feel it like it's like physical pain.

And it's like not even like real like the other people are thinking. It's kind of just like this almost like a demon in your mind that is like saying negative self-talk to you. And it's something like I didn't even know what this was before, but now I know. And after talking to so many people with ADHD, like they all feel the same way. So that's like been a very helpful thing to me because I've been through so many things in my life. And especially in the 2000s, just everything I was going through with the media and suffering from this RSD with the ADHD. It was like so, so extremely painful. And I think it's hard for people who are, you know,

neurotypical to understand just like how, like, severe it can feel. Michael always gets mad at me for things that have to do with it. So this feels really... No, no, no. Because we're so sensitive. And we feel feelings like 50 times more than any, anything. Sadness, like all of it.

Speaking of the 2000s, and again, like, we watched a lot of that growing up. I mean, you, like, the, and I, we talk about this all the time on the show, the press back then was able to get away with things that I just don't think they can get away with now. Out of control. It was out of control. They were brutal to. So with this, how did you manage that psychologically? Oh, my God. It was, it was so difficult because I didn't know anything about ADHD or any of this. So internally, it was just extremely painful because the media was so cruel, especially to young women. And what happened, you know, back then would not be. tolerated today, but it was like entertainment for people back then, tearing down women. I think that's another reason why I'm so strong and resilient because to go through that and survive that in a sense is a feat in itself. How did you even talk to anyone about what you

were going through? Because there was not, you didn't have anyone who was going through the same experience as you. I mean, it is, Michael said, one of one. It was, it felt very isolating. And like, I felt very alone a lot of the time because I didn't really trust anyone either. I'd been hurt so much and had so many horrible things happened to me, especially as a teenager as well. I just felt very alone a lot of the time because no one would even understand if I tried to explain it to them. Very few people in the world could probably understand what it would feel like.

Marilyn Monroe might have been able to understand, maybe. That's the only other person I can think of that could understand. You had cameras in your face all the time. Back then you had no mouth. piece to be able to answer any of this. Like now you can go in a podcast, you can do your own thing, you go live, you can, you can speak directly. You know, it's funny.

Whenever, you know, we say something crazy on the show or do something that's going to get us in hot water, I never worry about it. I'm like, why I just go on tomorrow and clarify or talk and it like kind of loses its steam. But back then, like there was no way for you to do that. Yeah. Yeah, that, it was such a different time back then. And it was so hard. It was almost like there was like gatekeepers in a sense where it was like the media.

And then you could never really tell your story. so they basically controlled the entire narrative. And that's why it's been so empowering in the past years to really reclaim that and tell the real story because for so long, my story has been told by other people who never really knew the whole story or the true story. Is there anything that you miss about it? Is there anything you look back and you're like,

oh, I like that's so much better than now? Yeah, for sure. Like, of course, like the tabloid culture that was a nightmare, but everything else was so much fun. And fashion was the most fun. I think 2000s fashion is like the best era in fashion. Like so extra, so fun. Like I invented it.

So I love it. The nightlife was epic. Like nothing ever. It was fun here in L.A. So much fun. Every night was fun. And there was no cameras. Like it was just like just like a very like intimate group of like the most fun people in L.A.

And we would go out every single night. And it was just like. the best time ever, the people, just the vibes, the energy. Like, I loved it. It was so much fun. Even though internally I was going through a lot, I would just have so much fun and try to just forget about all of the things. At one point, when you started gaining this kind of attention, did you realize you could

start building a real business off a bit? Because I think a lot of people also look at you and think, oh, this is like just happened. It was by accident. And now in hindsight, clearly it's not. And we're sitting in this room, we're like, Jesus Christ, look at what you've done. Like it's,

it's massive. From nothing. From nothing. Yeah. And so when did you realize that you could do this? I realized very early on, like the power of building a personal brand. And I think it really started when I moved to New York with this whole, like I lived a very sheltered life before my parents were very strict in LA.

I was not allowed to go on dates or go to school dances, wear makeup, anything. So then moving to New York, living at the Walter Pistoria Hotel, started getting invited to like every single event. People are like paying me to like go to parties. Then every designer is like giving me all these gowns and designer clothes and handbags, all these like things. And then when I would wear something, it would be in the media and then it would like sell out. And then I remember the first night, the Simple Life aired and it had 13 and a half million viewers.

And that next day I was like, no, I can actually parlay this. into like a business or a brand. And that's when I started developing my first fragrance. So I remember buying this dress. I don't know if you remember this dress. You wore it. It was maybe it was pink or green. It came in two colors and it had like a big diamond right here and it was tube top.

And it was always sold out and it was on that site, Stinger 22. And they used your likeness on the site to sell the dress. it was like this silk little mini dress. I'm going to find it. I need to find this. And DM it to you. Like a tabloid picture they used? No, but I just remember it was always sold out.

You're right. They like they leveraged your likeness to sell. And then it would sell out. I remember always like refreshing the page. It was like this very specific dress. You're wearing like your hair long silk pink mini skirt. We have to pull it up, you guys. If we can find it.

And it had a big diamond right here. Anyways, it's just interesting to see. I wonder if I still have it. I bet you still have it. Like maybe like saved it. It was an iconic moment for you. I remember. But also like Kitsen and all those different places always were using your likeness to sell stuff.

So people are assuming, obviously, that you have like, you have like an ease and an effort, effortlessness that I notice. But there's so much that has to happen to get to hear. What does your work ethic look like? What's the working Paris, the behind the scenes Paris that we don't see? I work harder probably than anyone that I know, just running so many different businesses and so many different business verticals and everything from doing television, audio, film, building products, building IP, running my media company, recording albums, writing books, being a mom.

On Congress. DJing, singing, being an advocate, you know, going back and forth to D.C. for all my advocacy work. Yeah, I just, I don't stop. It's nonstop. But I feel really blessed that my family really instilled that work ethic in myself from a young age. And I was always very inspired watching what my great-grandfather and grandfather built and wanting to build something on my own because I didn't want to be known as the Hilton Hotel granddaughter. I wanted to be known as Paris. What's the pressure like coming within, you know, with a last name like that, knowing what your grandfather did? Like, how did you think about that when you were younger? Yeah, it was definitely a lot of pressure.

And then always just wanting to be perfect and, you know, just always thinking about, you know, what they would think. So, yeah, that was something that I always thought about. But I was also extremely close with my grandfather and he was my business mentor. And he was always so proud of me and would always say, Paris, you work harder than any CEO I know. So proud of what you built. So incredible. And he's like, I used to be known as Baron Hilton, founder of Hilton Hotels. And now I'm known as Paris Hilton's grandpa. So that was an amazing moment. I'll never forget. What's the motivation at this point? Because again, we were talking about you. And you've,

and you know, I know your husband and I know a lot of the things you're involved and you've built so many things. Why do you keep going when arguably like you've kind of done a lot? I just love it. I love to create. I love making beautiful products for my fans all around the world. I love giving them amazing experiences. I love making music. I love to entertain. I love it all.

It just makes me feel so proud. It's so much fun. And I'm so used to it. I've been doing it for so long that I just can't imagine anything else. You mentioned earlier with ADHD, you live in the future a lot. What do you mean by that? I just have always been like a futurist, like seeing into the future. being ahead of my time in so many ways.

And I don't know. It's like, I feel like people with ADHD are some of the most brilliant and creative minds in the world. And then you look around and you see just like the scientists, the people like in the entertainment industry, so many musicians. A lot of them have ADHD. And I've been so inspired just hearing so many stories about that. I think it's really challenging for a lot of young people now. when I reflect because you're misunderstood and then you get, they try to put you in a box and you get frustrated. And I think then a lot of kids really start to struggle because you have people

that just don't understand basically saying, well, if you don't do it this way, there must be something wrong with you. Yeah, I felt that way so many times. And like they've always tried to put me in a box as well. And I've always been a person who thinks outside the box. And I think the box is boring. And that's another thing with ADHD too, is that we can focus. Like people say like, we can't focus, but we can. We just can't focus on boring things. It has to stimulate you. Yes.

What's the thing that you were wearing in your documentary that was like a, it was like a thing you wrapped around your stomach with heat? It's so good. The Therabody. And it has heat. It has vibration and red light. The new one that just came out is amazing because it has red light as well. Red light is very helpful for back pain and the heat.

And I have like a red light bed that I lay in every morning now. And that's been, it's extremely helpful. And I have this guy, Keith, the body mechanic, who is insane. Like, he's fixed my back. I do want to pivot here for a second because, like I said, before we started, you are like a low-key nerd and you're into these things. And I know people that know you have, like cutting edge things that other people don't have. When did you get so into wellness and these practices and using these tools?

And how do you figure out what you want to try? I've always been an undercover nerd. and I'm obsessed with anything to do with technology and now longevity and wellness. And Brian Johnson is one of my friends. And I was invested into his company blueprint. He is so brilliant. So I'm always learning so much from him. And David Asprey as well, Dr. Holland, who is amazing.

He comes over all the time to give me NAD. You do the shots or the IV? What about the stomach? I do the IV. I did the stomach one too. with IVs really strong and like the methanol blue as well which is like gives you so much energy. I love just finding about everything peptides like biohacking. We're going to be creating the longevity center downstairs which is going to be insane, which be like a paravie spa that will have all of the

most high tech equipment. So I just feel like I want to live forever. What are the things that you go back to consistently that you like tap into on a regular basis? You know, like obviously in any deep peptide you do once in a while, but like the things that you like on a daily, weekly practice. A day, like every morning I go into my red light bed first for 20 minutes and then into the red light sauna for like 25 minutes. And then while I'm in there, I'm just like doing interviews or working the entire time because I am the queen of multitasking because there's not enough time in the day ever.

And then I'm obsessed with facials. Like I love taking care of my skin. And so, like, sometimes two or three times a week, like three-hour facials, again, while I'm working the whole time laying there. Is there a specific facelist? An hyperbaric chamber, by the way. And yes, there's a facelist. Who's the facialist? Heather Nicole, who I've been seeing for like 15 years now.

Okay. I've got to go to Heather. She's amazing. And you're working during the facial? The whole time. That's what I like to do. You lay on your back and you just work? I have, like, these things, like, iPad holders.

So I have like two iPads and phone holders. So they're all kind of just like, it looks like I'm in an office with like all these things up on the screens. And I'm just like laying there and just kind of just like doing calls, doing approvals, creating things. Like it's just it's probably get my most work done doing that because I feel like I'm just like getting so much done. Because I love to like optimize my time as much as possible. And in the hyperbaric chamber, which is amazing. That is like the number one thing for longevity. Are you scared you're going to get locked in?

No. Why am I scared of that? Because you read a story one time. Like somebody got locked in. What if you want to get out? They got locked. It's such an oxygen. Are you talking about the cryotherapy?

No, the oxygen one if you want to, if you're in the middle of it and you want to get out, what do you have to do? Somebody got locked in a hyperbaric chamber and it lit on fire and they couldn't get out and they died. Oh, don't project that into that. Well, I'm just telling you, that's why you're scared. Was it like a small one or? I think it was one of like, you know, when these things first came out, they were like giant metal. I think hers is probably different. But can you get out?

It's four people. It looks like a spaceship. Okay. I don't think that was the same one. Gary Brecker is like doing his podcast in his hyperbaric chamber. They're dope. I love them. And I love the cryotherapy.

I do that every day too. The cryotherapy too. Yeah. Do you like to cold plunge? No. No. But you like cryotherapy. I like it because you don't get wet.

I hate the water and then it's just like you have to go get your hair blown out again. It's annoying. It's a lot of work. Yeah. What is the most unglamorous. part of your job that we don't see. People like see me out like on red carpets or like performing and I'm like all like dressed up and like in gowns and all that.

But if I'm not working like I'm just like at home chilling sweatsuits, socks, no makeup, my hair pulled back. Just like very chill. So I feel like it's like my other side to me is like the more glamorous side and then my at home side is just like very chill, relax. Is that when you're the happiest? Yes, when I'm at home with my babies. That is my happy place.

And you have all your dogs. We got to meet Crypto. Yes. And your home, what I think is so cool about it, is you've almost optimized your house to be a place where you can work, but you have your kids, but it's like, it's very fluid. I think that's really cool. You don't have to, like, leave and go to an office, which is amazing.

Yes. It's so amazing. That was very intentional. I feel like I work so much, so I want to be able to do as much as possible from the house. That's why I built a recording studio here. We have just my office here, my entire media company, 1111. We built a whole office in the back as well. The whole guest house is turned into like a full office for everyone.

And I can take all my meetings from here. I can have my kids on my lap while I'm just like working away. And I feel like this house is like what I manifested like as a little girl, like what I dreamed I would want. it to be like, and now I have it, and I just feel so, so lucky, so happy. We took a picture on the pink tennis court. It's fun, right? It's so good.

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So I just want to like make my daughter feel as confident and like I don't know, just like not care about those type of thing. I don't know. It comes to like a very addictive as well, I think. Let's give them a razor. Like the phone, remember like a razor or Nokia? I just released my Motorola Parasilton razor. It's pink and it's iconic. That's what we should give them because then they can't go on social media.

But it goes on social media. Oh, it goes on social media. I feel like this. A Nokia with snake on it. Like Gen Z probably got it the worst because none of the parents really knew what these platforms were. right even for us like we were like the last generation to kind of grow up without these things and we kind of learned along the way but if we came up parents in the last call a decade there was nobody that's like put their kids through social before so they had it was like they were the experiment

generation so true and I think now in a weird way we're better armed but also the internet's become more and more creepy yeah it is scary out there just like seeing some of these stories What are you doing your advocacy work with? You were mentioning off air with AI with creepy people. Well, I've just realized so much just the power and using my voice to make a difference. You know, just really making it to protect others from things that have happened to me in life. And like as a little girl, I've never imagined I'd be standing on the, you know, steps of Capitol Hill. testifying in Congress and have now passed two federal bills and 20 state laws to protect children.

And now I'm going to be going next week because, you know, right now with AI and deep fakes and everything that's happening, it's just the technology is moving so fast and the laws have not cut up with it yet. So my team and I have been talking with legislators, senators, and working with other advocates on this legislation, which is going to basically make it so that these type of things are illegal because there's so many explicit videos being made in deepfakes of underage children, of celebrities, of women and people all around the world. And there's nothing to protect anyone. So this will basically make it so that the platforms and the people who are profiting off of this, there's going to be reprecretions for this, make it illegal.

Almost like everything you've been through has set you up to do this. Because who knows what you've been through with the media being so toxic, you're the perfect person to step up and be the voice for this. Thank you. That's what I like to think about it, that maybe everything in life happens for a reason and God gave me a special gift. So one day I could use it to make a difference for others. What's your red flags? I think just from going through so much my life, I've just like, just like, have a sense where I could just feel it. Like an antenna. Yeah. Like I could just like, I could just, I don't know, like a red flag like barometer or something or I could just like even look in someone's eyes and like tell like what type of person they are. And just like lying to me is like I can tell right away and I hate that more than anything.

And like when I can't trust someone, it's just like so hard for me to be around them ever because I've just had so many people do bad things to me in my life that now it's just like has made me just see it all before it happens. That's what seems like is so strong about your marriage. It seems like you really trust each other. Yeah. When you met Carter, did you know that he was the one right away? I knew there was something really special about him.

It was Thanksgiving Day and I just walked into my mom's friend's house for, lunch on Thanksgiving and he was sitting there at this huge smile on his base and with his mom and he was so sweet and right away I just like thought he was so like just nice and different and I loved watching him with his mom and I'm so happy that I met him that day because my life has changed so much ever since and he's the first one that like really like tore those walls down that I had surrounding my heart. And he's lifted me up in so many ways that no one ever has and supports me. He's like my biggest cheerleader. He's like everything. If I ever talk to Carter, we have to first talk for about three minutes about how much he loves you and how great you, which is amazing.

But that's- You could take note though, Michael. I got to get though. I'm like, hey, Carter, I have an idea about this deal. And he's like, let me tell you about Paris and how amazing is. I'm like, okay, we'll get through this for a minute, for sure. It's very sweet like that. He's the He's setting the bar too high for the restaurants. I'm like, I'm like, tone it down. He does seem like a really good husband. Yeah. And he's a good person.

He's a good person. He has amazing family values and he's just the best. I'm so lucky. How do you guys work together with everything you're doing? Well, he, we don't like work, work together. Work, you mean business with? Yeah. He always jokes that he's my unpaid intern who gets paid and kisses and hugs.

But he's like incredible. just like he's so smart and just one of the most brilliant and most hardworking people I've ever met. And he has just been amazing just to learn so much about investing. And he really helps with my team as well, just helping lead so much of it. And of course he runs his investment in 13, but he helps me so much, which is so amazing. So I feel lucky to have someone who wants the best for me. because a lot of men would get jealous and, like, emasculated being with, like, a powerful, successful woman.

And he's not like that at all. He just wants me to be as successful as possible. And he really just, like, makes me feel safe enough where I can just go for my dreams and really, like, the sky is the limit. There's so many powerful women that have come on the show that say that it's so hard to find a man that doesn't want to just, like, push them back in the job. jack in the box. They just want to, they make fun of them to make themselves feel better. Yeah. And try to control. Yeah. And it's the hottest guys are quietly confident. I'm sitting in a giant

pink room when to think like. Just saying. You're quietly confident. No, but I think it's for a lot of guys, especially if you grew up in a more traditional household, it's maybe a mind fuck for some of them to be like, hey, maybe I'm not the main breadwinner or I'm not the main draw or like somebody else has a bigger career than me. So I think it requires a certain like shifting of mindset if you were, maybe if you grew up in a household where that wasn't the case. You know what I mean? A lot of guys have, I think, a rough time dealing with that. Do you ever clock when someone realizes that they've misjudged you? Like, can you like see it in their eyes? Yeah, because, you know, being in this industry for so long.

I've spent most of my life being underestimated. One of my favorite things is to prove people wrong. So, yeah, that's happened a lot of times in my life. Do you feel now I could imagine that you've proved everyone wrong? Yes. Like, you feel like you check the box? 100%. Is there more that you want to do on your list to prove people wrong?

Or do you feel like you've done it? I've done that part. So now everything I do is... Wrinkles? Yeah. It's just like I love everything. everything I do and everything I do now is for my fans, for my kids to be proud of me and for me to be proud of myself.

You know, one thing that's also extremely fascinating about you is the longevity that you've had. Like, you've had a long, still very relevant career. If you were coaching the next generation or someone who kind of wants to follow in your footsteps, what do you think some of the things that you've done in order to stay relevant, build such a big career, like continue to grow? How do you think about that? Definitely it's about working hard, about surrounding yourself with the right team of people that you can trust and who are capable and people who want to lift you up and not try to pull you down because that can happen as well. And it's also about being authentic, being vulnerable.

There's such a power in being vulnerable and real. and I think people want more and more of that. And finding what your passion is, what you love to do, and try to make that what you do for a living. What mistakes do you see younger people making when they're trying to build a career in this lane or this fashion? Definitely. Hooking up with the wrong teams.

I think there's a lot of con artists in this business. Yeah. With products. I think it's so important to like, see where things are made, you know, what, like, you just need to, like, know where everything is coming from. You need to know to trust everyone on your team because a lot of times I've seen people where they, you know, they've made such a career and then they have a business manager who's been stealing all the money in the backgrounds. You need to be just on top of everything because it can

all just come crashing down if you are not aware of everything that's happening around you. Or people just who surround themselves with negative energy. or who are just not good people. Or if they just let things get to their head and they just become not a good person, I think being kind is one of the most important things as well. And I've always led with kindness. You have always led with kindness with your fans too.

Yes. To see you interact with the fans is it's a very different strategy because some people, as you know, will put themselves on a pedestal. You, I feel like you really like, connect. Has that just been something that you've done naturally always? Always naturally. It's never a strategy. Like my fans, I really consider them like my family, like my brothers and sisters all around the world. I love them so much. And especially, you know, being in this industry and feeling so

alone, so many of the times I used to travel over 250 days out of the year or two decades. And mostly I would just be alone or with like a tour manager. And I would meet up with my fans all around the world. And they have just been there with me through everything and always just have loved me unconditionally. And we've all grown up with each other because I've been around for so long. So all of us have grown up with each other for so long. And it's amazing just to have fans that are like that. And they call themselves my little Hilton's.

And I just, I love and adore them so much. and I love making fun experiences for them. And anytime I go to other country, I'll always have them come meet up or like I'll get them a hotel or I've had them stay at my house, like in a visa. A lot of my friends are like, are you crazy? Like, why do you? Are you so close with your fans?

I was like, because I love them. And I back then I used to trust them more than I trusted most people in my life. One of, I think Ariel or Mimi was telling me off air that you have like given cars and like crazy giveaways to the fans, too. Last year, this woman named Viviana, her car burned, and I saw this TikTok video, and the only thing that survived was her pink Harris Hilton Tumblr that she had bought at Walmart.

So he made great products. Yeah, so that was the only thing it did not burn. I made a great product. But I just was so touched by her story. I went and surprised her in Texas and brought her a car. And she was so sweet, so kind, so lovely. We still talk now in social media. I love her so much.

And being able to do something like that for someone, I love just making people happy and bringing sparkle to people's lives. And it's fun to do those types of surprises for people. We probably freak out. That's really cool. Just like, I really see fame as like a superpower where you can just, just by showing up, saying hello, taking a photo, anything, just could bring so much happiness and just mean the world to someone.

And that's something that I love to do all the time. It's one of my favorite things. A lot of people wonder about this and obviously like aspire to get to the level that you've gone to. What are some of the things that you would caution people against when it comes to fame? I guess what are some of the things that you have to navigate that people just maybe don't think about? The night before the simple life aired, my mom said when this air is on television tomorrow, your life is going to change forever. and I just want you to never forget the sweet, down-to-earth girl that you are and never let this get to your head. And that's something that I always really kept close to my heart and I've never changed, never let it get to my head no matter what. And I've been in this business a long time. I've seen

so many people come and go because they end up feeling like they're better than other people and they just completely change and forget who they are and where they came from. And I think that is an important piece of advice just to not become like that. Because they also know, like, you never know when the rug can just be pulled from under their feet and everything's taken away. And then they've lost even their real friends just by the way they treat people. And another piece of advice would be be careful because there's going to be so many people you don't know their intentions if they really like you for you or there's using you to, you know, be around or be able to go to the events or go on the trips or use you. So I think those are important things and lessons that I've learned.

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and talk with each person. I mean, that's crazy for how long you've been in this business to still do that. I've always been that way, even when I do like a book signing or a perfume signing and they'll say, okay, Paris, this is like two hours. And then it will be like maybe five, six, seven hours. Like the mall will be closing and they'll be like, Paris, we need to leave. I was like, no, I need to take a picture of every single person. And I don't, like, I see a lot of people, they do the signings and they just sign and don't even take a photo. Like I will sometimes spend like 20 minutes with a person and just they're talking to me, giving me letters. Like I literally cry, just like hearing the stories from people and just them telling me like you shaped who I am today

and just how meaningful I've been in their lives. And like I am very, I have such empathy for people as well and I'm so sensitive to other people's feelings where I literally care about other people's feelings. more than myself. So that's something that's so important to me. And I always tell my team, I always tell my security, like never push anyone away. Don't ever tell anyone no. Like, I just would feel so guilty. And I would think about it, even if they're like, the mall's closing, if we can't do it anymore, I will then feel so sad the rest of the night being like, oh my God, those people were waiting and I'll just feel so sad for them. But then I'll meet them outside the mall. Your mother came on and told a story about how you and your sister will literally

stay at appearances like the way you're describing. What other lessons did you, and you've mentioned your mother a few times, did you take from her growing up? Because it sounds like she gave you and gives you a lot of great advice. Do you have the tiny pillow that she has? Which one? Those tiny pillows, the port halt pillows. Yes, of course. I bought three because they're so cute. I love them. My mom is the best. My mom has ADHD too. She's an ADHD queen. Her mom is one of the funnier people we've ever met. She's so funny. Yeah. She's just so funny.

She was such a big heart. She's so caring. She is an amazing mother. I love how she makes every holiday so special. She makes me laugh like no other. She's so much fun to prank call people with. She's the life of the party lights up every room when she walks in. And yeah, she just.

She tried to prank call Howard Stern live on our show. She did. Yeah. I was like, I don't know if it's going to go over it. Well, I'd be scared to prank all him. Yeah, she wasn't. So when you were a kid, was she pushing you to kind of chase after the life that you now lead? Or was like kind of do which, what was? No, she was, did not want me to be like moving to New York. Every model agency was reaching out. They all wanted to work, do the runway shows, fashion magazines, everything. And my mom. Just say no, like you need to go to school. Like she just didn't want me to be like, I don't know, in that world, like modeling any of that.

Do you want it for your daughter? I want her to be able to do whatever she wants in life. I'm hoping that she'll follow in my footsteps of being like an entrepreneur, businesswoman. Yeah, it is like a scary world out there too, even with the modeling world and all of that. It's just some of these creepy guys are around. and I just don't want my daughter to ever be exposed to any of those types of people. Yeah, when my daughter turns 12 or 13, we're going to become Amish. And we're going to just live to the middle of the country.

When you have a daughter, you start to understand your parents more. Totally. Yeah, you start to understand where they're coming from. 100%. Well, and I think being close to this world, a lot of people that are not in it, you glamorize it because you see a lot of the thing, right? You see the carpets. You see the parties.

You see a lot of the stuff. but you don't see a lot of the dark stuff that comes with it. And I, you know, there is a lot that come. Anytime you have a platform and people feel like they can utilize that platform or use it to their benefit, it's just like, you know, people can be dangerous. And so I think like with our child, like we have to have like a lot of big conversations. Why did you decide to open up about what happened at Provo? Was that something that you had wanted to open up a long time?

Or was it something that you just? decided one day, I'm just going to let it out. After going through that, I was so traumatized that I made a promise to myself. When I get out of here, I'm never going to talk about this, not tell anyone and pretend it didn't happen. I didn't even tell my parents, my sister, my best friends, like, no one. And it wasn't until my documentary, this is Paris, where probably like six months into filming. We were in South Korea. I was launching one of my lines out there. I forgot. It was like a fragrance. I was having severe nightmares, which I had had every single night since being in there. And I kind of like went into it a little with her. And I was like,

but don't film this and don't put this in the documentary. Like, I don't want this being part of my story. And then she was like, or then the next day she came to me with all this research. and showed me that it had now boomed into this $28 billion a year industry, and there was thousands of these schools, and hundreds of thousands of children were being sent to these places, and hundreds of kids were dying, and they were being sexually abused, and just the most horrific stories.

I had no idea it was still happening. And I just knew that she basically said to me, Harris, like, I think by you telling your story, you could really help. a lot of other kids. And I was so scared and nervous because I had never spoken it out loud to anyone before. And I started telling her the story. You know, for that documentary, that wasn't even the original premise of the film.

It wasn't even supposed to be about that at all. It all just really happened because I felt close to her and like I could trust her. But I'm so grateful that I did tell that story because it's really changed my life in so many ways and has been so healing for me. And it was so painful to go through, but the fact now that I've told my story and now it's illegal for the things that happen to myself to happen to kids today has been the most meaningful work of my life. When you opened up about that, did you have so many people reaching out that were thanking you because they had maybe been through a similar experience? Yes, all the time. like right away when it was about to air, I was so,

so scared and nervous, because I had no idea how the world was going to react, you know, because they had known me for so long as this character, like this blonde, bubbly, you know,

person they thought that had like this perfect life and they had no idea what had happened. So I didn't know, you know, what people would say or think, but right away, just thousands of people writing me letters,

reaching out to me, coming up to me on the street, saying thank you so much for telling your story. I went the same thing and nobody ever believed me. And, you know, what you've done really saved my life and healed me and my family. And then so many families coming up to me. And even yesterday, I was just doing this interview and the writer told me that he was about to send his daughter to one of these schools. But then he saw me speaking in Congress. And then he decided not to. And he was like, you saved my daughter from going through, you know,

probably torture and severe trauma. And then just so many people all the time just thanking me and just saying I've really healed them. So it's just been incredible just to see the power in being vulnerable and real and really turning a pain into a huge purpose and impacting millions of children's lives. Why do parents think they need to send their kids to these places in the first place? What are parents under the assumption that these places do? maybe just a maybe if a parent's thinking about needing to do this with their kid.

It depends. You know, for me, like moving to New York and then my life being just like completely changed from Los Angeles, a sheltered life, moving to New York, all of a sudden I'm being invited to every party, every nightclub, going out all the time, ditching school. So my parents hired this educational consultant and they referred to the school and they said It's an emotional growth boarding school. They show brochures and it's kids smiling with rainbows, riding horses, and it looks like this very happy place. And these people who refer the children there are all getting commission and they get paid for each kid that's being sent to these places.

That's disgusting. So that happens a lot. And a lot of kids in there, they only had ADHD. They couldn't focus in class. Like none of these kids deserve to be in a place like this. So a lot of the kids there were just kids who are just like misunderstood. Parents are under the assumption like this place is this great place that'll change and discipline them and give them structure.

It almost makes it more fucked up though because it's like I could imagine as a child it's hard to even then blame the parent because the parent thinks that they're doing something good. Oh yeah, the parents are just as much victims in the situation because they're manipulating both sides and they're saying to the parents kind of priming them because they are abusing the kids. but then they say to the parents like, by the way, all the kids in here, they lie and they're manipulators, and they're going to say that we're abusing them, but it's not really happening.

So in advance, they say, okay, you're going to get a call and it's going to sound really bad, but that's part of the process. But they won't even let you do the call. Like when you're sitting there, if you even say one word, you have someone sitting next to you, and they immediately slammed on the phone, and then you either get, like, beaten,

thrown in a room, locked away, and then they say, you can't talk to your parents for six months. So what happened to all these people? Like, are there, there's consequences for them? Now people are finally being believed and the stories are coming out, but for so long, these kids were not believed because they're just called troubled kids. So it's like the perfect situation for an abuser to get away with. And they instill such shame in the children that they're, like myself, you're so ashamed

by the time you get out of there. You don't even want to tell anyone because you're, like, embarrassed for like what they've done to you. You know, the shame should be on these people. And that's another powerful message that I want to spread to people that it should not be that you hold on to that shame. The people who should be ashamed of the ones that hurt you. And my parents and I have just, I'm so grateful that my parents have been so supportive of me, my mom's, and coming up me to D.C., also to speak to the other parents because some of these parents, it has ruined so many lives of children. And a lot of these kids, when they get out of these places, committed suicide. And they can't even move on in life because they've just been so broken.

down by these places and these schools. And in the laws that I've passed to protect children, we've made it as one of the parts of it, that they're not allowed to do calls where someone is sitting there. Like the kids can have an unsupervised call with their parent without someone there who's going to punish them right away, which is something that's so important for people to be able to explain when they're being abused in these places.

And provost closed, right? No. What? No, it's still open. Whoa. Even after the documentary. Yeah. And thousands and thousands of people report so much abuse at that school.

I don't know how it's still open. 60% of these places have shut down because of this work, which is incredible. But more keep popping up because it's such an unregulated business and anybody can just open a school or a wilderness camp and do this. It's really, really terrifying. And it's not only happening in the U.S., it's happening all over the world. Thank God you came out with the story. As you have told your story and discuss it more, have the nightmare stopped for you? Yeah.

That's interesting. Amazing. It was like just getting it out there and off your chest. Yeah. Which I never thought I would ever ever not have a nightmare. It was every single night since I was 16 years old. And then two years ago, I just went to Jamaica and they had these eight boys that they were locking in dog cages, burning with cigarettes, throwing leech on them, starving them.

It was the most horrific situation. I went there and helped save those boys. So how does that get on your radar now and how do you choose, you know, what to focus on and where to help? Well, when I started my media company, we have the second hire of the company was Rebecca, who's my head of impact. And I have 1111 impact, which is all of my advocacy. see work that I do. And we have a whole network of people and we work with other survivors. So people

are constantly reaching out to us, parents, children, ex-employees who have left these places. And just every day people are coming in the stories. And then I go and shine my big spotlight on them and show people if you're going to abuse children. I am going to expose you. And there will be repressions. That must be very liberating. Yes. I messed with the wrong girl. I love it. Underestimated.

Yes. I have just a random question that's a total tangent. What is a hungry tiger? A hungry tiger is someone who's desperate and hungry. And that's what we used to call people all the time. Just like those people who are just like not hungry for food. It's like hungry for everything. I'm sure you know some hungry tigers.

Oh my God. Who told us that you guys? I don't remember. I think I heard her say it. And I was just like, you know, I just feel like it's one of those things. It's an energy, you know? Mm-hmm. Everyone knows the energy.

There's a lot in this town. Yeah, this town's got a few. In your documentary, you said that music saved my life. Can you expand on that for the audience? Just how just going through so much as a teenager and getting out of the school. And I remember just going out that first night, the first song I heard was the song Free by Ultrinate. And just those lyrics, like I just felt like it was like my anthem.

And then just like how music is always just, brought me so much happiness, like just going through all of that and going out at night and just like escaping from the pain and not having to think about it and just like losing myself in the music. And then doing this documentary and being on stage and performing, like I realized even more just like how music has just been such a huge part of my life and how it just like, I don't know, how just like music is such a powerful thing. and I like a lyric and just like change your mood or even change your life. When you decided to do your new documentary, it's behind you. It's called Infinite Icon. What was the process like?

This is obviously something that takes a long time. What is it, what's the behind the scenes of what it takes to get here? A lot. Just especially going through like my archive of like thousands of hours of videos. So when I was eight years old, my dad bought me like a. camcorder for Christmas and I would like film everything like do like plays at the house or just like me running around doing adventures or whatever and then when I got older like going out at night I would always just bring my camera with me everywhere so I just have all of this unseen footage

that was like so interesting just to like go and look back on all of that and like see who I was before and see like what I went through and all the fun times as well. But it was very like therapeutic and such a way. And then obviously filming like the whole concert, the whole process of getting into it. And then I started also just like reflecting back on the 2000s and just so many people were coming up to me and just always saying like, oh my God, your first album is the most underrated pop album of all time. Jealousy?

That's the best song ever. It's so good. Thank you. So it's just like, I don't know, I wanted to like really reflect back on that. And then I just started thinking about the 2000s, about how myself, other women were treated. And it was just like, I don't know, I just wanted to tell that story and just in a way, but through the lens of music. And I really see this as like a trilogy, like the first part, the first documentary in my memoir and now this. And also like a love letter to all my fans because they've.

been the ones who really, like their love has carried me through so much of this. And yeah, I feel like I've seen a lot of music documentaries, but I've never seen one like this. It like has it all. I can't believe that you said that you were nervous to get on stage to perform. That was crazy to me. I wouldn't think you would be nervous. A lot of people don't believe that. I'm such a shy person.

So I always feel a little bit shy. And especially like doing my first concert, like, I was so nervous. I'm so happy that I had, right before that, performed with Sia and Miley. I was talking with them, and they told me that they both get nervous too. So to hear that, like, these incredible artists, that that's all they do all the time, like they get nervous as well. I was like, okay.

We get nervous even to do this today, right? It's like, I think Mel Robbins was on the show recently. It says if you get nervous or anxious about something, it's because you care about it. Because you care. That's what Sia told me as well. Which is like a really good way to think about it. Because if you didn't give a shit, you would just be like, whatever. Yeah, like, imagine it for like, oh, we're sitting there and whatever.

So it's a good thing. So I like to think of it that way. I think it's a really great way to reframe it. Like, I want to teach my kids that. It's also. To hold them back from things in life, like feeling shy or embarrassed. It just means you care. If you could talk to your younger self or anyone who's listening that feels misunderstood,

what would you tell yourself and that? I could talk to my younger self. I would say, Paris, you're going to go through a lot of things in life, and sometimes it's going to be really difficult and scary and hard. I promise you one day it's going to be worth it. So you're going to use your voice, make a difference for millions of people. And one day, you're going to have beautiful children, an amazing husband, build an incredible business, and inspire people all around the world. So stay strong and don't be afraid to show the world the real you. Where can everyone watch your documentary and support what you're doing?

Infinite icon. Infinite icon, a visual memoir, will be out in theaters January 30th. And where can everyone come say hi to you? I'm sure everyone already follows you, but what's all your social handles? My name. Also, I do want to say this. Everyone should go by your book. Your book is so good.

Thank you. I love reading biographies. It's like my favorite thing to do. And your biography is 10 out of 10. Thank you so much. Also by the book, you guys. Which will be a television series soon. Wow, cool.

Don't you also? I feel like you have a cartoon out. I do. What's that? It's called Paris and Pups. It's an animated series on YouTube. And it's based on my life with me as a little girl with my puppy. with my puppies, living at a hotel, going on adventures.

And my kids are obsessed with it. We watch it all the time, and it's so much fun. I'm going to show it to Zaza in Towns. Paris, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you, Paris. Infinite icon forever. Thank you. Thank you.