The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Paul Saladino MD - Why People Stay Sick, Proper Nutrition, Lies In Food, & Ingredients That Harm Us

Starting point is 00:00:00 The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Starting point is 00:00:24 I've had an evolution also, right? Potential, him and her. I've had an evolution also, right? I started out being strict carnivore, thinking all plants are bad for all people. And over time, I've had to really be humble and think, actually, I think that was too strict a perspective. Cutting out all plants helped me figure out what was triggering my eczema,

Starting point is 00:00:38 but now I include fruit in my diet. I include squash, which is a fruit. And I'm really beginning to believe that it's more about food quality than it is about certain foods for most people. I think a lot of people can eat vegetables. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Today, we're sitting down for a second time with Dr. Paul Saladino, a board-certified physician, nutrition specialist, bestselling author, podcast host, and animal-based diet expert. Today, we discuss the controversy centered around raw milk, seed oils, misconceptions around the plant food industry. Paul is always an

Starting point is 00:01:10 incredible character to talk to. I personally feel like he's been ahead of the curve when it comes to health and wellness on so many different things. We also discuss autoimmune issues, chronic inflammation, mental health issues. We talk about individual diets and how people can find the best diet for themselves and so many other health issues. Lauren and I love having Paul Saladino on this show because he is not afraid to go into so many different areas of health and wellness, even if it's controversial, which we respect. With that, listen carefully, come to your own conclusions, be a responsible individual. Dr. Paul Saladino, welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her.

Starting point is 00:01:49 So I did this tweet about raw milk, what it is, et cetera. And, you know, X has this section where you can write something about your video. You can write a caption. In the caption, I wrote, I think raw milk is safe. I think raw eggs are safe. And I would give raw milk to my children. I don't have children, but I wrote that I would hypothetically give raw milk to my children. And Twitter exploded, exploded. I think I said something like,

Starting point is 00:02:13 I would give raw honey and raw milk to my children. Of course, everyone on Twitter wants to correct you. Children less than one year old can't have honey. And it's like, yeah, I know, I know. That's sure, sure, sure, sure. But if you say that you are going to give raw milk to your children, if I had children, I'm afraid that the child practice services

Starting point is 00:02:29 would have come to Costa Rica to take them away from me. You cannot give raw milk to your children. You can't say you're doing this. This is crazy town. That's something that humans have done for thousands of years, especially raw milk from well-known farms that is vetted and tested consistently. You can't say you're giving that to your kids.

Starting point is 00:02:45 It's pretty crazy. People exploded. And then I had multiple news outlets contact me about that piece of content saying, do you stand by this claim that you would give raw milk to your children? And yes, I would give raw milk. It's my decision, but they don't think it's safe.

Starting point is 00:02:58 It's crazy. It's so crazy because we had Gwyneth Paltrow on the show and we were talking to her and we were just saying like, hey, like a hundred years ago, they just called it milk. Yeah. You know, like all these terms that people come up with that they invent to describe things that have been around to your point for thousands of years is, is wild. I'm going to, they should do the other way. They should say pasteurized milk and milk and milk. Yes. Yes. I'm going to shock everyone. I have

Starting point is 00:03:20 been giving my kids raw milk gasp for the last year. They fucking love it. Not only do I give them raw milk, I give them raw chocolate milk, which is a great manipulation because they get all the vitamins and nutrients. My son drinks it every single night before he goes to bed. Michael and I drink it every single day. We found a reputable farm. You know the farm. You're actually the one that told me about the farm. Don't they sell it in Erewhon now in California? Is it? They do sell raw now in California? Is it? They do sell raw milk in California. In California, raw milk is legal

Starting point is 00:03:48 to the consumer in grocery stores. So you can get raw milk and many other states as well. Not Florida, not Texas, but some states you can get raw milk direct to consumer in the grocery store. I will give, you know, California some credit in that they typically,

Starting point is 00:04:02 like that population, we lived there for a long time, is typically ahead of the curve when it comes to health. Some things. Some things. Yeah. Some things. But in terms of like there, you usually have a lot of healthier food options there. I mean, we've lived in Texas now for four years and it, I will, I'm not going to, I love Texas, but it is harder to find healthy alternatives here compared to when we lived in California. We have to really seek it out. I don't doubt it. And you know, I got in last night on the plane and I went to Sprouts and I don't think I'm going to get Sprouts in trouble with this. I've said

Starting point is 00:04:31 this before on my social media, but there is this little loophole, you know, that in Texas, you can do this pet kefir and there's an amazing farm in California that makes a pet kefir and it's a raw pet kefir. It's legal to give raw kefir, which is fermented milk to your pet, but you can't give it to a human. You can give it to your dog, but you can't give it to a human. So I'll just go to Sprouts and buy their raw pet kefir from this farm because I, I know this farm and I trust this farm. And I know that that's still a high quality product. There's no difference in the quality of the pet kefir versus the other one. And then I realized there's actually a place here in Austin

Starting point is 00:05:05 now that's selling raw milk. I think that, I guess they're doing it legally, but they're probably like a distributor. So they're getting raw milk and they're selling it out of there. It's my friend's place called the Sapien Center downtown in Austin. You can just go in and buy,

Starting point is 00:05:16 they get like deliveries of raw milk and you can just get gallons of it. So I went in there and I was like, oh great, you guys have raw milk and I can actually pick it up. But I'm sure there's loopholes and like they have to do a little dance to say like, oh, this is how we can sell the raw milk. For people who are like, oh great, you guys have raw milk and I can actually pick it up. But I'm sure there's loopholes and like they have to do a little dance to say like, oh, this is how we can sell the raw milk.

Starting point is 00:05:27 For people who are like, what are you talking about raw milk? What are the differences between raw and pasteurized? And what are the benefits of raw milk? Because I'm sold on the benefits. Yeah, raw milk is pretty amazing. Like you said, it's so true. Raw milk is just milk.

Starting point is 00:05:42 It's milk that hasn't been heated and pasteurized. And I love that you brought up this history. A hundred or so years ago, all milk was raw. And what happened is, you know, there was an urbanization, there was an industrialization or the, you know, the industrial revolutions were in full swing a hundred years ago and people are moving into cities. And the milk that we've had for a hundred years on farms that we're used to eating or drinking in the 1800s is now we want that in the city. And so they realize, hey, if we're gonna milk cows in a city, we can't do it in the same sanitary conditions.

Starting point is 00:06:10 They were milking cows in sub-sanitary conditions. They were feeding the cows swill, which are the spent grains of beer and alcohol production. So they were feeding the cows garbage. They were milking them in substandard conditions and the milk was problematic. And this is where pasteurization came in and probably saved a lot of lives because they were basically producing milk in a non-sanitary

Starting point is 00:06:30 way. It would be like feeding someone sushi, things we do today in a sub-sanitary environment. People aren't washing their hands, the fish isn't clean, et cetera, et cetera, or getting vegetables from a farm and not washing the dirt off. People are going to get sick if you do these things improperly. Any sort of uncooked food can potentially transmit infections to humans. So pasteurization comes in and it's the heating of the milk. And so people can drink the milk. They just sterilize the milk after it's been milked. But historically in conditions where you're getting milk from a cow on a farm and you're washing the udders and the cow is eating good food and the cow is healthy and you can collect the milk into a sterile or a clean vessel and chill it quickly,

Starting point is 00:07:06 that's a much different operation than taking milk that's from a cow that's not fed the right foods or that's milked in unsanitary conditions and trying to feed that to humans unpasteurized. So raw milk is essentially milk that has not been heated or sterilized. And though sterilization, the pasteurization of milk sounds good on the surface,

Starting point is 00:07:25 the problem is that it changes the confirmation of certain proteins in the milk. And the research looks like it's a whey protein. Some people thought for a while that maybe the sterilization of the milk was killing bacteria. And it does. There are numerous different types of bacteria in a raw milk, just like whether it's a human breast milk or a cow's milk from an udder. This is, there is a normal flora in that milk, and that will affect humans in a positive way. These are beneficial organisms, things that we have been in contact with throughout our history as humans, things that we were in contact with from our mother's breast milk, which is obviously usually not pasteurized unless it's being boiled or given

Starting point is 00:07:58 to someone else. So we have the situation where milk is now heated, and it's often heated over 200 degrees or even more for long amounts of time. And it seems to change the conformation of some of the proteins in the milk. And that seems to lose, it seems to affect the quality and the way it interacts with our immune system. So there's some interesting studies with raw milk.

Starting point is 00:08:17 And when I read these, I thought, wow, this is really a health food that's being underappreciated in our culture. There's one called the Gabriela study. There's another study that's very similar. Both of these studies looked at kids who grow up on or off farms drinking raw milk. So you could say, oh, kids are growing up on farms drinking raw milk. They're getting the benefits of being on the farm. But if they're kids off farms and on farms drinking raw milk, that's an interesting experiment. And what we see is that the kids who do that have lower

Starting point is 00:08:41 rates of asthma, eczema, and seasonal allergies and allergies overall, which is fascinating, right? Those are all the things I had growing up. I have this atopic condition. I had allergies. I had eczema. I had asthma. And so there's something probably going on here. And we know this. There's so much research on raw milk now, the way it affects the immune system positively, unique nutrients in there that are potentially degraded when you pasteurize it, and the way that it could be just sort of programming our immune system as we are growing up or even as we are adults.

Starting point is 00:09:11 The other thing about raw milk that's fascinating are the organisms and the cultures in the raw milk and how that can affect our gut flora. We don't really know this. Nobody's ever done research on how the human microbiome in the gut changes when we drink raw milk. It certainly does. But a lot of us are

Starting point is 00:09:25 lactose intolerant. I don't know if you guys were, but I was growing up. I wouldn't even drink milk before. Yeah. I can't drink milk. I can't drink pasteurized milk, but raw milk appears to somehow affect our gut flora. And it doesn't look like it's a lactase enzyme in the milk. It's probably these bacterial cultures, naturally occurring bacterial cultures in the milk that affect our gut microbiota and allow us to digest the lactose in the milk that affect our gut microbiota and allow us to digest the lactose in this milk. So now my personal experience is, hey, I was super lactose intolerant, bloating, gas, when I would drink any sort of dairy. Now I can drink lots of raw milk every day, no problem. A lot of people have had this experience. So there's something

Starting point is 00:09:59 going on with lactose intolerance, and there's probably something going on with the way it affects our immune system and other beneficial things in humans in terms of allergies and atopic conditions. It's a fascinating thing, especially for kids. And then you just talk about all the nutrients in milk that you get if you're not drinking it versus drinking it and getting a form of milk that's been from a cow,

Starting point is 00:10:19 that's raised on a farm, that's fed better foods. It's all around, this is a potentially very unique food for humans that is, like you said, is sort of been separated into two different types of food. Now there's like a pasteurized milk and there's a real milk, but we're not really allowed to drink that raw milk anymore. It's crazy. I think that what I've noticed about it is that I had, I was losing 60 pounds. And one thing that I used it for is instead of waking up and having like this big breakfast, I would wake up and I would have coffee, which is like gives me a little buzz with raw milk. And it gave me a little bit of protein, a little bit of sugar and a little bit

Starting point is 00:10:54 of carb. And so I would do a weightlifting workout and it was like the perfect pre-workout. I've noticed that it has helped me shed the weight. Is that crazy? It's not crazy at all. Do you feel, I think it's all about satiety. Weight loss is about satiety and not being hungry. There's been this notion going around in health circles, like a calorie is a calorie is a calorie. You can lose weight eating whatever you want, which is true.

Starting point is 00:11:21 You could lose weight eating donuts. But what is your experience of losing that weight going to be like eating donuts, eating Twinkies in a calorie deficit versus eating whole foods, right? And I think raw, real milk is a great thing to include in that list. I think it's very satiating, all the nutrients in there. Totally.

Starting point is 00:11:39 The fat, the protein, the carbohydrates, an interesting balance in the milk, along with the nutrients in the milk. This is a satiating food that could keep you less hungry for longer. And that's what weight loss is about long-term is just thinking I'm not hungry, I'm not torturing myself.

Starting point is 00:11:55 It's a much better experience for a human long-term and it leads to more sustainable weight loss long-term when you eat the nutrient-rich foods. It's interesting to watch you over the last few years because I feel like in the beginning, you got a lot of pushback, you know, and as time has passed, you know, you were really early on CETLs. You're really early on raw milk. You were really early on a lot of stuff. Meat, liver, organ, honey. A lot of stuff that now, you know, a lot of people had a really difficult time and still some still do. Yeah. But have you noticed that shift? have you noticed a little bit more support over the last years swinging paul it's cool to see

Starting point is 00:12:29 yeah it's cool to see people finding these things valuable you know comments have changed huh and they're changing yeah i think you are one of the people responsible for starting this conversation around how poor seed oils are for the human existence, right? I think you should feel good about that because I think now the sweet greens to their credit, they saw that you were part of that, right? They got out of it. But a lot of restaurants are now looking at this stuff. And I feel like what people were maybe calling you out there are crazy for in the beginning, a lot of people are now embracing. It's cool to see. I love that the pendulum is swinging specifically on seed oils. I was just

Starting point is 00:13:04 mentioning to you guys that one of the reasons I'm in Austin now, aside from hanging out with you guys on the podcast, is to do a documentary with Heart and Soil about seed oils. We really want to make a documentary that's more approachable about seed oils. But yeah, I mean, there's a lot of confusion around the science with seed oils because of numerous poorly done studies in the 1960s and 70s. There are randomized controlled trials with seed oils versus saturated fat. But the problem, and this is a little bit granular, the problem is that in the 1960s, 50s and 70s,

Starting point is 00:13:34 we didn't really understand the dangers of trans fat. And so a lot of the control groups in these studies that were fed the saturated fat versus the experimental group who got seed oils, the control groups got trans fat along with the saturated fat. And I think that got seed oils. The control groups got trans fat along with the saturated fat. And I think that skewed the results a lot of these studies. And so the people that are still holding on to the notion

Starting point is 00:13:52 that seed oils are benign in terms of human health based on the research, I think they just need to look a little more closely at the randomized controlled trials. And when you start to do that, you see pretty clearly that mechanistically they're horrible for humans because of their propensity to oxidize, become see pretty clearly that mechanistically they're horrible for humans because of their propensity to oxidize, become incorporated into cell membranes. In animal

Starting point is 00:14:09 studies, they are invariably horrible for almost every animal model studied. And then there are certainly other more recently done randomized control trials with seed oils suggesting they're just a nightmare for us at so many levels. They seem to make us hungrier. Going back to your point, Lauren, about being satiated to lose weight, I saw this really fascinating pilot study recently. It was only eight people, so it's a small, small study. And they compared oleic acid, which is the monounsaturated fat found in olive oil,

Starting point is 00:14:35 to linoleic acid, which is the polyunsaturated fat that is prevalent in seed oils. And the group that got a linoleic acid-rich diet tended to have higher levels of ghrelin and resistant. These are two hormones. Ghrelin is kind of thought of colloquially as this hunger hormone. So this is pretty crazy to think that linoleic acid

Starting point is 00:14:51 is potentially raising hormones that make us hungrier and increasing a hormone resistant that is connected with insulin resistance. And so credit to you, Lauren, because I heard you say something on a recent podcast about meat being like ozempic. And it made me think about this. It made me think about ghrelin and hunger hormones. And I found that study about seed oils increasing our hunger. Which is the opposite of ozempic.

Starting point is 00:15:14 Exactly. That's why meat, it has been like an ozempic situation for me because I do feel so full and so satisfied to the point where like, I don't really need much else. Like the meat has made me feel so full. Well, a lot of people, you know, and there's, it's so funny because I think if you get into weightlifting young, you learn a lot of these kinds of tricks that we're now talking. Like I've been taking creatine since I was 12 years old, right? I've been, you know, whenever I get a little hungry and I'm like, oh, I'm going to eat bad. I eat a bunch of protein first and I'm immediately full. And I've been doing this my whole life,

Starting point is 00:15:47 but never think, I just never thought of it. I just thought it was a normal thing. And now these like, I'm watching Lauren go through it and learn about this stuff. I'm like, yeah, duh. Like of course, creatine, of course, protein, of course, all these things are going to have this impact. But I think it's been pushed so far out of the culture and what is common sense that people look at. It's almost like they look at someone like you or me. It's crazy. But I'm like, this is all I've done my entire life. It makes so much sense. It's all that humans, it's really what humans have done for hundreds of thousands of years. It's primal. What most people do, they get hungry because they have, maybe they've eaten something. And

Starting point is 00:16:21 what they do is they binge poor foods. They go into the fridge, they have the thing they know they should, the chips. Convenience. And that makes you really hungry and it's snackable. But if you go, this sounds crazy, but if you go and have a little bit of ground beef or you have a little steak or salmon, you're going to have less of it and you're going to be full and you're not going to have all of these bad... I mean, I think, again, weightlifters have known this for a long time. You know, the mechanism of Ozempic, one of the things it does, it's a GLP-1 agonist, who can like peptide one agonist. So it sort of increases signaling in this GLP-1 cascade.

Starting point is 00:16:54 Well, there's studies showing that the consumption of red meat and meat in general increases GLP-1 also. So the mechanism of Ozempic and proteins, and it's not just exclusive to meat, you could also get the same effect if you're eating probably beans or other plant proteins that are non-processed. I'm not as much a fan of those, but unprocessed plant foods that have protein,

Starting point is 00:17:16 unprocessed animal foods, these raise GLP-1 in the human body. So there's a mirroring here, and it makes a lot of sense that these foods make us less hungry. They create satiety. And I love that we're hitting on this point because it's something I've and it makes a lot of sense that these foods make us less hungry, they create satiety. And I love that we're hitting on this point because it's something I've been thinking about

Starting point is 00:17:28 a lot recently. The problem with processed food is that calorie for calorie, it probably makes us hungrier. And that is a problem because I've called this calorie prison, look, you can starve yourself for a short amount of time, but eventually the human brain has hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary programming that says,

Starting point is 00:17:46 you need to eat. And being hungry is a very, very motivating force. And you are going to eat. There's only so long that we can go being hungry and craving something before we just cave and we eat. Being hungry makes your breath smell. I mean, it's like, to me, I don't ever want to be hungry in my whole life.

Starting point is 00:18:03 I want to be like 80% full. Being hungry sounds miserable. And yet that's what you would have to be. So this is why calorie restricted dieting fails long-term. The biggest loser, I think like 100% of people on The Biggest Loser gained the way back at the end of the show. Oh, that's sad. I didn't know that.

Starting point is 00:18:21 Crazy statistic. They gain it back. They gain it back. They all gain it back. They gain it back. They all gain it back. And there's long, there's really in-depth studies showing that more than 85% of people who try to lose weight by counting calories and restricting calories without paying attention to food quality fail long-term because you're just, we're focusing on the wrong things. Is that because they can't get satiated? Because they can't become satiated.

Starting point is 00:18:42 And what we know in human physiology is that when you restrict calories, you get something called adaptive thermogenesis, which makes sense to you from your bodybuilding career. Your thyroid turns down your metabolism. The thermostat on your house goes lower. By the way, I don't know if I had a bodybuilding career. I just did some weightlifting.

Starting point is 00:19:00 Well, I'll take it, you know, actually, yes. I'll take it. You're eminent. I get what you're saying. You know, when people, I guess guess I've just been living on a moon because I wouldn't know even how to count calories if you told me. And I know it's an effective... I know that there are certain people who say if you count calories, it's a sure way to... It's not effective long-term though, is what he's saying.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Yeah. But what I've always thought about is when I'm hungry, I want to eat, but I don't want to ever be gluttonous and I want to be satiated michael's a fourth japanese okay but that's like the concept right well until you're i've never yeah i think like 80 and then i stopped like i don't want to our producer taylor um who produces for us when we're in california his grandfather was like you have to finish every scrap of food i think there's a lot of people that grew up that way like you have to finish everything mine was like okay as soon as you're full, then you stop eating. You don't keep eating, but you get the right kind of nutrients in there. You get the right protein sources. You get all that so that your body is not craving a bunch of poor calories, if that makes sense.

Starting point is 00:19:55 It makes total sense. And I think we've all had this experience. When I'm eating a steak with spaghetti squash or oranges or strawberries, it's like a pleasant experience. I can go through the meal gradually and kind of eat. I haven't had pizza in a long time, but when I eat pizza, it's just shoving it in your face. Like I just can't eat it fast enough because it's almost like, it's almost like it's making me hungrier. There's like a hole in my body and it's just passing out. It's just, you just can't eat the food fast enough. And the satiety quote unquote that I get when I used to eat more processed food felt like I can't eat anymore or my stomach is literally going to burst or I'm going to throw up. That's

Starting point is 00:20:36 not satiety. That's just physically eating to the point of being in pain. And that's when I would stop. This is my personal experience when I'm eating lower quality food. I just find it so much easier to just take it more slowly and enjoy my food. And then the satiety, the real satiety comes before I'm actually in physical stomach pain when I'm eating meat and fruit, things like this. It's a different experience completely. What are the oils that we should be reaching for and when? And what I mean by that is what can we not heat up? Like, can you make it so simple? Yeah. When you think about oils, the first oils that I'm going to use are animal fats. Things like tallow, butter, ghee. I just got his tallow. Maybe coconut oil. We talked about tallow on the last podcast, putting it on your face.

Starting point is 00:21:19 I do it every day. Yeah. Because of you. It feels good, doesn't it? I do facial manipulation and fascia stretching with it. I love it. Really? Yeah, it's amazing. Okay. I use it every morning. Yeah. That of you. It feels good, doesn't it? I do facial manipulation and fascia stretching with it. I love it. Really? Yeah, it's amazing. Okay. I do this every morning.

Starting point is 00:21:27 Yeah. That's fantastic. My kids put it on their face. I love the tallow. It's funny because I just came to Austin and I thought, man, it feels dry here. And I had to put some tallow on my face. It was kind of crazy. I don't have to do that in Costa Rica.

Starting point is 00:21:38 And then from there, I think that the next oil, so we have tallow, butter, ghee. These are the animal fats. These are my coconut. Coconut is kind of the fourth one. But as far as a plant fat, coconut oil is fine. But you don't reach for that. I can tell you reach for tallow. I reach for tallow.

Starting point is 00:21:53 I reach for butter. I reach for ghee. We just started cooking our eggs in tallow because you did that post. Yeah, yeah. You did the best post. You guys go watch this post. He put a little water in the pan. You should have seen me try to do this.

Starting point is 00:22:03 No, no, no. But look, it was like the the stepchild version you did it with two eggs that came out beautiful lauren put nine eggs in the same way and there was no i have three people to cook for no it was a disaster i put the water and the tallow but go on go on with what you do yeah so we can talk about that that's a really interesting thing called the mercury ball effect on a stainless steel pan because i'm not a fan of these nonstick pans. But so we have tallow butter, ghee, coconut oil, and then we have olive and avocado, which kind of occupy this middle ground.

Starting point is 00:22:33 And the issue with olive and avocado, there are two things. Number one, I wouldn't heat these oils. So every time I say this, people kind of go, what? I shouldn't heat olive oil? And I say, yeah, don't heat olive oil. It's just, it has more polyunsaturated fat than the animal fats. So polyunsaturated fat, generally we're talking about omega-6 linoleic acid. And that is what is very high in the seed oils and intermediate levels in olive and avocado and much lower in butter, tallow, ghee, coconut

Starting point is 00:23:02 oil. So very low in the animal fats and coconut oil, intermediate in olive and avocado, and very high in the seed oils. That's a very unstable fat. When you put that in the pan, it continues to oxidize. It's already oxidized in what you're getting from the grocery store in a seed oil, but it's just a fragile fat. It's not meant to be stored.

Starting point is 00:23:19 These fats oxidize very quickly. The more double bonds a fat has in its molecule, the more likely it is to oxidize and break down. It's just less likely to be strong in storage unless it's in cold storage. So I would not heat olive or avocado oil. They're too unsaturated. They're not fully polyunsaturated, but they have lots of monounsaturated fat, one double bond, and they have some saturated fat and they have a little more polyunsaturated fat, a significant amount more polyunsaturated fat than the animal fat.

Starting point is 00:23:46 So if you want to do a salad, use an olive oil as a dressing. That's a good thing for olive oil. But you want to make sure with your olive oil a few things. You want organic, cold pressed, single source, in glass that is opaque. If your olive oil is not single source, there is a higher chance that it's going to be cut with vegetable oils. There are multiple studies now showing that when they look at olive oils, not single source there is a higher chance that it's going to be cut with vegetable oils there are multiple studies now showing that when they look at olive oils like 70 plus plus percent are

Starting point is 00:24:10 cut with seed oils give us a brand pimp the brand out that i don't actually use olive oil much so i don't have any you like tallow what's the brand of tallow that you like because i was on amazon looking around and i was like which one should i message paul which one's the best lineage is coming out with the tallow okay i was just gonna just going to say, when are we getting a Paul? It's coming very soon. Lineage. And I have lineage every single day of my life. The beef sticks.

Starting point is 00:24:30 My kids have them. My kids go beef stick. My son eats them. He's a little beef stick. How many of those beef sticks can you eat? Because there's a decent amount of liver in there. I eat like 20 a day. You can eat.

Starting point is 00:24:39 That's plenty. Michael said, Paul said you're not supposed to eat that much liver a day. There's not that much liver in them. You can't put much liver in the beef stick or it will oxidize and change the flavor it's a very it's a little we got as much as we could but we can't put much it's a little bit of liver okay so it's more than zero but it's not going to be a problem i mean yeah so what are the biggest okay at this point and you've been no stranger to controversy on the internet, right? Yeah, I guess.

Starting point is 00:25:09 I always, when I talk to people, I feel good about myself because sometimes we get some pushback. I'm like, no, we're going to get Paul in here. He gets a lot more. Yeah. What are the biggest things or the biggest things you're getting pushback for now? Because a lot of stuff that you're talking about now, I think, is becoming mainstream. People are saying, yes, maybe we shouldn't have as much seed oil. Maybe you should eat a little bit more meat.

Starting point is 00:25:22 Maybe- Funflower oils, manipulative wording, guys. It's so manipulative, right? That's a good one. That's a fake one. That's bad. It's a seed oil. Yeah. I want to know what are the things now when you post that people are still giving you a hard time about? Raw milk is a big one. We were just talking, Wall Street Journal did a hit piece. I've seen the FDA pushing back on raw milk recently because of bird flu. We can talk about that. It's kind of a

Starting point is 00:25:45 It's a misleading thing. We can go down that rabbit hole in a second So raw milk is definitely getting a lot of heat right now And then I did a post recently about seed oils and this compound called acrolein or these these that series of compounds the alpha beta unsaturated alkanes, I think and basically It people wanted to misinterpret the post and say Paul Saladino was saying that seed oils are worse than cigarettes. Not what I said, right?

Starting point is 00:26:08 Typically people do this. They misconstrue what I'm saying to try and make it seem a little more crazy, but there's a really- I wish cigarettes were good for you. I used to love a good cigarette. So there's a fascinating study where they looked at the heating of these seed oils

Starting point is 00:26:21 in the production of French fries. And they found that there is a compound produced when you heat these oils. So the other problem with seed oils in the production of French fries. And they found that there is a compound produced when you heat these oils. So the other problem with seed oils, so we talked about animal fats, we talked about olive oil and avocado oil. Those two, okay for salads, make sure you have a good source, don't heat them.

Starting point is 00:26:37 Then you have all the seed oils, corn, canola, sunflower, safflower, soybean, peanut oil. Those are a no for me all the time. They have no place in the human diet, but a lot of restaurants, fast food restaurants, especially we'll use those oils to make French fries. McDonald's uses four different types of seed oils to make French fries, soybean, partially hydrogenated soybean, canola, and maybe peanut. There's a fourth oil in there. Don't ruin my happy meal for me. I do it like once every two months.

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Starting point is 00:31:47 McDonald's french fry is problematic, but they found that when you used to cook a Montello, they did used to cook Montello up until 1990. I can tell you the story, but when you heat the oils, when you heat a seed oil, so one large french fry from McDonald's, I think it's 165 grams of french fries. So it's a big serving of french fries from McDonald's that contains the same's 165 grams of French fries. So it's a big serving of French fries from McDonald's. That contains the same amount of acrolein, which is a probable carcinogen, as 25 cigarettes. Wow. So this is what's fascinating about the article.

Starting point is 00:32:12 I'm not saying cigarettes are better than seed oils or seed oils are worse than cigarettes. What I'm saying is the same chemicals, some of the same potentially very problematic chemicals that happen when you combust tobacco and you inhale it happen when you heat seed oils, whether you're heating it in the pan, you're deep frying at home, or when you are making French fries at restaurants. So this is the problem. So I got a question. I got to push back on that.

Starting point is 00:32:36 Do these companies know this is occurring or do they fight you on the fact that you're saying this is occurring? No, it's clearly documented in the science. It's not like they're like, hey, this isn't happening. They're aware that this is happening. No, it's people saying, Paul Saladino is scaremongering. He's saying that seed oils are worse than cigarettes. That's what people are pushing back and saying. And I'm saying, well, you're not really listening to what I'm saying. What you're saying is the same thing is occurring that happens in cigarettes in this process. Some of the same chemicals. So do we really, how can this be healthy for humans?

Starting point is 00:33:06 You know, this is a crazy, these are chemicals that are probable carcinogens and they occur in equivalent amounts in 165 grams of McDonald's French fries. A large French fry has the same amount as a pack of 25 cigarettes. Yeah. Well, we're usually about, so I don't want to say this to sound elitist. And of course, like every third thing I say, people scream privilege, but we were just over in France and I don't feel guilty about having pasta or a slice of pizza or whatever. And I don't, and I went over there and, you know, I try to eat the same way as a protein, but when I'm there, I'm going to enjoy myself, but I don't have nearly the same feeling. If I go out and eat, like I just ate here in the States, the way I did over there, like you're going to have to roll me out of the studio and I'm going to be sick for a week.

Starting point is 00:33:46 One of my friends from Mexico City, she was telling me that she comes over to the United States and in three days she gains 10 pounds. Three days. She's tiny. She's super like thin. And she's like, Lauren, I gain 10 pounds every time I come here. Well, it's crazy because, you know,

Starting point is 00:34:02 you speak to some Italian people and like, they would find it insane that you couldn't eat pasta, right? They have quality sauce of their quality pasta, quality oil, and they eat it all the time with no problem. Here, there's obviously an issue in this country where we can't manage our weight and we can't get satiated eating these things. People have to start thinking maybe it's the process that's the problem. There's something different. This is kind of a separate conversation, but there's something different about the wheat

Starting point is 00:34:27 and the grains in Italy and Europe. I've just heard this too many times. And I haven't been over there in a while. I think the next time I go over, maybe I'll try pasta. I haven't had pasta in probably 12 or 13 years. I haven't had sourdough bread in probably the similar amount of time. But if I went to Italy,

Starting point is 00:34:41 I would try the pasta to see how it is. And I actually saw a really great piece of content. I don't remember who did it, but they asked these guys in like an Italian pasta making operation, like, how do you do this? And it was incredible how much time it took them to make the pasta. And they said, you know, we make this amount of pasta in a day and a big producer in the United States might make a hundred times that amount of pasta in the day. It's just like the quality and probably the wheat. I mean, glyphosate is much more regulated. So this pesticide is much more regulated

Starting point is 00:35:10 in a lot of the European Union, but there's something going on with European wheat. And France is a great example in general because France is the French paradox. So in France, people eat tons of saturated fat, butter, cheese, bread. It's a rich diet over there. And they're leaner than a lot of their neighboring countries in Europe.

Starting point is 00:35:27 So what's going on there, right? If saturated fats are so bad for us and so fattening, how are the French leaner? Now, this isn't to say no one in France has ever had a heart attack or been obese, but there's something going on in France specifically and certain Italian provinces with the quality of their food. It probably has to do with the quality of ingredients. So this is something that's interesting for me because I've had an evolution also, right? I started out being strict carnivore,

Starting point is 00:35:48 thinking all plants are bad for all people. And over time, I've had to really be humble and think, actually, I think that was too strict a perspective. Cutting out all plants helped me figure out what was triggering my eczema, but now I include fruit in my diet. I include squash, which is a fruit. And I'm really beginning to believe

Starting point is 00:36:03 that it's more about food quality than it is about certain foods for most people. I think a lot of people can eat vegetables. I don't do great with most vegetables that I eat in the United States, but I don't think I do great with pasta here, but I bet that I could go to Italy and maybe I could eat pasta there.

Starting point is 00:36:18 So it comes back to this idea of food quality. You need a world tour. I could do it. I think you should, I think from a content perspective, you should go over there and test that and just see the difference. I could do it. I think you should. I think from a content perspective, you should go over there and test that and just see the difference. I could do it. I think you should go.

Starting point is 00:36:29 We'll meet you over there. We can eat pasta together. Your first time in 12 years. I want to explore something with you that I think needs to be talked about a lot because there's this thing on TikTok called Almond Mom. Have you seen this? No. Okay, but this doesn't have to do with really what I'm saying,

Starting point is 00:36:47 but basically an Almond Mom is like a mom who is really strict with her diet. Okay. But almonds are like all the rage for a lot of people who want to lose weight. And there's almond milk. There's almond flour. You see, I even see in my daughter's crackers that are supposed to be so healthy. It's almond something. Almonds, they use as an ingredient, but it doesn't say on the packaging what almonds

Starting point is 00:37:12 are sprayed with. Yeah. Can you kind of like explore and tell us exactly all about almonds that we need to know? Because a lot of us are drinking almond milk. Yeah. Yeah. So I have personal experience with almond rich products. I was a vegan.

Starting point is 00:37:27 I think I talked about this the last time I was on the podcast. I was a raw vegan. And this is just my personal experience. This is gotta be 13, 14 years ago now. I was a raw vegan for about six or seven months. And the girl I was eating at the time for real broke up with me because I was a vegan.

Starting point is 00:37:43 I was so vegan at the time. I made her daughter a birthday cake and she was like, that's the worst birthday cake I've ever had in my life. This is gross. It was pretty hilarious how bad. I tried, but she hated on the birthday cake that I made. You should get back together. You would make her a beef cake now. I could make her a beef cake now. I'm a changed man. Coming in with blood dripping out of your mouth from a big steak. It's ironic where I've gone since then, right? You know, that she broke up with me for being a vegan. I think shortly thereafter, this is just the vegan story, Paul's dating misadventures.

Starting point is 00:38:13 Shortly thereafter, and I was really skinny as a vegan. I had lost 20 plus pounds of muscle mass, not fat. I had lost 20 pounds of muscle. I was 20 plus pounds of muscle lighter than I am today on a vegan diet. And I'm not a big guy and a muscular guy now, but I'm not crazy large. And I was very skinny then.

Starting point is 00:38:32 And one of my friends in the, I was working in a cardiology practice as a physician assistant before I went back to medical school. And one of my friends tried to set me up with a nurse. So we all had dinner together and I was trying to flirt with her and talk to her. And I think I reached out to her afterwards or something.

Starting point is 00:38:46 And she never responded. And I said, Cameron, you got to check with this girl. Why didn't she get back to me? And she said, Paul, you're too skinny. She thought you were cute, but you're too skinny. It was like a light bulb went on in my head. I thought I need to stop this vegan diet. Like I'm too skinny to get a date.

Starting point is 00:38:59 Anyway, that's an aside. So almonds, I ate a lot of almonds on my vegan diet. And at least for me, and I think for a lot of other people, they caused massive GI issues. I had really bad gas. I remember going to these fancy vegan dinners where everyone sort of feels good because we're doing this intentional thing

Starting point is 00:39:14 and all the food is super clean and they would make all of these dishes with almonds, whether it was almond tiramisu or almond this or almond that. You can do a lot of things with almonds and almond flour. I remember walking out of there with like, just, I felt like I was bloated. And- Were these vegans just sitting around

Starting point is 00:39:27 farting all over the place? Yes. Christ. Yes. That's what I had to do. I mean- Now count me out. No, I mean, without being too graphic,

Starting point is 00:39:34 like I just, I would walk into rooms and think this is a bad situation for me. I can't, it's a closed room. I can't sit in this room with people like- Crop dusting all over the room? Yes, all of them. I just prayed there was a couch that would be absorbent that I could just fart into the couch for a little while

Starting point is 00:39:47 so that I didn't like- That's the clip that's going viral. Yeah, like I just wanted to fart into the couch. So then like, then if you get up, when you get up from the couch, nobody can tell who did it, you know? It's just like in the couch. Or like a movie theater.

Starting point is 00:39:59 Man, I pity the people who sat in the same seat of me. Remember in the movie theaters, you sat in those really squishy seats? I could go to a movie theater and just like, I could pass, I could fart into the cushion. Wait, so you had to strategically plan your farts when you were vegan? So wait, hold on.

Starting point is 00:40:12 Not only did you strategically got to plan around every menu, you got to strategically plan around where you're farting all over the place? Yeah, it was horrible. It was bad. So, and I tried, I was a raw vegan for months and months and months. My gut flora never adjusted.

Starting point is 00:40:23 Anyway, almonds cause issues for me. And I think they cause a lot of digestive issues for other people. Now, I don't have a major issue with almonds if someone can eat them in moderation, if they're organic and they're not sprayed with pesticides and they don't cause GI issues for people. I think they do have digestive enzyme inhibitors

Starting point is 00:40:40 and they're going to limit people's digestion. And I want people to be honest about how well they're digesting the almonds that they are eating. And I think making all of your foods almond-based is probably a pretty bad idea because the other thing about almonds is they're a nut, but technically they're a seed. If you plant an almond, that's what grows into an almond tree, right? And then minerals in almonds are not very bioavailable. People always used to say almonds are a great source of magnesium. Well, good luck getting any of the magnesium out of the almond because seeds hold their minerals with a molecule called phytic acid. It's a big molecule that chelates minerals and it prevents you and I

Starting point is 00:41:15 from absorbing them. And if we eat this phytic acid containing foods, whether it's almonds or oats or other seeds or grains with other minerals, we don't absorb those as well either. So this is the same problem I have with oats, other grains, is that the minerals in these things, whether it's zinc or magnesium or manganese, they're not very bioavailable. Almonds can have magnesium, but you don't get much out of it. Is this couch good if you were a vegan eating a lot of almonds?

Starting point is 00:41:43 It's like you telling me every vegan that comes here just farted into my studio couch? Probably. Okay, I want to discuss... Throw that thing away. You did an expose on oat milk. Talk to us about milks. And I put this in quotes.

Starting point is 00:41:58 Oat milk, almond milk, cashew milk, pistachio milk, all the milks. You know, it's funny. It's appropriate that we started off the podcast talking about milk, pistachio milk, all the milks. You know, it's funny. It's appropriate that we started off the podcast talking about milk, talking about real milk from cows. Milk is what mammals do, right? The whole point of being a mammal is that you have mammary glands

Starting point is 00:42:16 and you make milk for your young, whether you're talking about a dog, whether we're talking about a horse, whether we're talking about a cow, a bison, these are mammals, that's milk. And I think it's inaccurate. It's kind of misleading that we can call almond milk the same as cow's milk.

Starting point is 00:42:33 There's nothing, there's no milk in here other than it's white and it's liquid. That doesn't make it a milk. I think milk is a term reserved for something that's very nutrient rich, full of immunologic factors. Right, full of- It came from a mammal. Came from a mammal, full of immunologic factors, right? It came from a mammal. Came from a mammal, full of whey protein,

Starting point is 00:42:47 full of interesting, important vital nutrients, vitamin K2, choline, folate, riboflavin. These nutrients are in milk from a mammal. You don't have to add these things, they're in there. So to call it oat milk is just right off the bat, we've got some lobbying going, it's misleading for people, because we think, oh, it's nutritious.

Starting point is 00:43:06 It's oats and it's milk, it's nutritious. What I did about Oatly Oat Milk was striking, because if you look at the ingredients in their traditional oat milk, it contains a large amount of seed oils. You wouldn't expect this, but it has. And I did a piece of content on Instagram about this, and I tried to, as best I could,

Starting point is 00:43:24 put the actual amount of canola oil in the clear bottle. So I said, what's in Oatly Oat Milk? It starts with oats, they make the oats liquid, then they add water. And the third ingredient is canola oil. They say low erucic acid rapeseed oil is what's on the label, but that's canola oil. That's just another name for canola oil.

Starting point is 00:43:42 And so if you look in- Wait, they called it rapeseed? It's from a rapeseed. So canola is from a rapeseed. So canola thought they were going to rebrand to rapeseed. No, they're the other way. Rapeseed rebranded to canola. Got it.

Starting point is 00:43:54 Okay. I don't think you rebrand to rape. I think you get it the other way. Okay. I just want to make it clear. Yeah, and I'll tell you- They're just like sitting around me like, hey, I got a better idea. Let's leave it.

Starting point is 00:44:01 Let's call it rapeseed oil. Let's call it rapeseed milk. No, it's... So the amount of oil in there is pretty significant in the traditional Oatly oat milk. And it's, if you see, I had a clear bottle, it's tablespoons of canola oil in your oat milk, if it's an Oatly oat milk. Now, not every plant milk contains seed oils, but Oatly does.

Starting point is 00:44:22 It has this canola oil, AKA low erucic acid rapeseed oil. And it also has a bunch of stabilizers, dipotassium phosphate, dicalcium phosphate, and synthetic vitamins, added vitamins, because there's no vitamin B12 in oats, and there's no folate in oats, and there's no riboflavin in oats, and there's no multiple vitamins that are found in milk. They want that nutrition label to look good on the side of a plant quote milk. So they have to add vitamins to it.

Starting point is 00:44:49 All these things naturally occur in regular milks. I know there are people out there who have actual real allergies to dairy, who can't do cow's milk. And I think for them, if you wanna do a plant milk, do something that's just a simple plant milk, just almonds and water, maybe salt. Malk is my favorite one. Is it just a simple? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. See,

Starting point is 00:45:10 that's much better, right? I don't think malk contains carrageenan. I don't think it has it. No, it's just simple. It's just almonds and water. So if you want to do a nut milk, that's the best option. I am in the Paul Saladino way of eating. I have my honey. I eat my meat. I eat my liver. I do your liver supplement. I do the HER1. If you guys are listening, this supplement's amazing for people who can't stomach liver, but I will eat liver no problem if someone cooks it for me. How I get my liver is through your supplement, but it's also through the lineage. It's kind of like beef jerky, you guys, it's little pieces. Little sticks.

Starting point is 00:45:47 I eat like 16 a day though. Is that okay? It's fine. If you do raw liver with a little bit of maple syrup, it's not, it's not the hardest. It's not that bad. And liver is interesting. So you're talking about the HER package from hardened soil, the capsules. Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting because it contains actually uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes, liver, and kidneys.

Starting point is 00:46:05 It's kind of our female organ supplement. Things that you would never eat on a barbecue, but are probably valuable for humans. In fact, seem to be very valuable. The reviews, the two favorite things that we make, my two favorite things we make at Heart and Soil are the whole package, which is the testicle one for males and the HER package. Because a lot of men don't get testicles in their diet and a lot of women are not going to get ovaries. But they seem to have very unique benefits

Starting point is 00:46:29 for men and women respectively, probably due to little things called microRNAs. It's kind of a granular conversation. The organs appear to be able to support the corresponding organs in humans. This is something we're just starting to figure out. If you made me testicles, I would eat it. I would eat any part of the animal if you made it for me. Women benefit from testosterone too.

Starting point is 00:46:49 Yeah. I would eat the testicles. She's never had problems putting the testicles in her mouth. No, I'll see back to Paul Saladino's testicles all day long. Sorry, Michael. I don't know if I need you eating Paul's testicles. But you know, I think where I feel bad for all of us, including everybody, just the general populace, is there's been such a mass programming of things. We've gotten so far away of how we've evolved. This would not be a strange conversation. If you were sitting down 100 years ago saying, hey, you ate the organ, you ate the tail of

Starting point is 00:47:21 the snout, this would just be like, yeah, of course, it's normal. And there's been a mass programming of saying like hey milk and all these things are so bad for you you need to have these fragrances and all these cleanings like there's so many things that i think that just the general population ourselves included are frustrated with like what is good for us and what is not and who can you trust and who can you know like i imagine there's a lot of people saying like hey i think i'm doing a better alternative with oat milks and all and all these things in my coffee now they're sitting there, what the fuck can I drink in my coffee? But by the way, if someone's listening and veganism or vegetarian or whatever works for

Starting point is 00:47:50 them, like I think you should do whatever works for you. I just can't shut the fuck up about this because it helped me lose 60 pounds. And this and weightlifting, I've never felt better. No, but it's not just that. It's like hormone regulation and skin and hair quality and sleep quality and all these things. I mean, I think what's interesting- I also think fertility, the HER supplement, if you're trying to get pregnant, that supplement's

Starting point is 00:48:11 amazing. Yeah. I mean, for us, it's been interesting because we've been now in Texas for about four years and it doesn't matter about the location as much as the things we changed when we came here. And I'm not shitting on LA. We were just there and we were partaking in a lot of the stuff that we're talking about now.

Starting point is 00:48:26 Like a lot of the seeds and the nut oils and the milks and not eating enough protein. And like, it just, everything since we changed and started adopting,

Starting point is 00:48:36 you know, cleaner living and eating more raw foods and incorporating more meat and getting better cleaning supplies and the things that we've talked about on the show for a while now, it's been a night and day shift of difference. Not just for us, but better cleaning supplies. And the things that we've talked about on the show for a while now, it's been a night

Starting point is 00:48:45 and day shift of difference, not just for us, but for our kids. And so I think we're loud about it because we've seen the improvement and we want other people to feel their best selves as well. You should be loud about it. Yeah. And I'm willing and we're willing to catch flack for people that maybe disagree or dislike it as long as it means that some people that are going to listen are... If I can change two or three people's lives

Starting point is 00:49:06 where they can live better, then whatever. The naysayers are always going to be the naysayers. Always. Always. I would like to know one of my favorite posts that you did was the day in the life.

Starting point is 00:49:18 Okay. And it's funny because I mute a lot of people on Instagram. Yours is starred. I love your content. I do. I think it's really informative. I like it. Yours is starred. I love your content. I do. I think it's really informative. I like it.

Starting point is 00:49:26 It's fun. I like your personality. What is your day in a life with eating? And I know you did this on our podcast before, but I liked it so much. I would love for you to just remind the audience how you wake up, what time you eat, all the different things you do.

Starting point is 00:49:42 Yeah, I'll just say as a framework, this is just what works for me. Scale amounts of food, carbohydrates based on what people need and how active they are. So I'm pretty active when I'm in Costa Rica. I surf two plus hours a day. So I'm getting a ton of activity, which means I have a lot of carbohydrates. So I get up. The other thing about Costa Rica is the sun rises and sets almost the same time of the day all year round. What time? It's about, the sun goes down. It's about, it's about six and six all year, about 530, 530 all year round. So sun comes up 530, sun goes down 545, just depending whether it's like slightly longer, slightly shorter.

Starting point is 00:50:18 But I'm up with the sun almost every day. So I'm up around 515, 520 and I'm usually in the ocean by 6 a.m. in Costa Rica and surfing from around 6.30 to 8.30 or 9 in the morning before I go to surf. So first thing I do when I get up in the morning is I go outside, barefoot on the grass, sun in my eyes. You can do that anywhere. It doesn't have to be Costa Rica.

Starting point is 00:50:36 It can be Austin, whatever. What I eat in the morning is just raw milk. I'm getting goat's milk in Costa Rica. There's a great farm near me where you can actually go see the goats. It's really awesome. The goats are such cool animals. I went to the farm and you can pet the goats. They'll basically jump up and they have a pen of baby goats and you can go hang out with the baby goats. One of the guys that runs the farm in Costa Rica just sits down and the baby goats and they just, they pile over. You can't even see him. They cover him.

Starting point is 00:51:01 It's like, it's like little puppies. They're just the most adorable animals. And I got to milk the goats. Anyway, that farm is amazing. I get their raw goat milk and I have a local raw honey from Costa Rica. That's what I do before surfing. But you gave me that. It's my favorite honey. It's amazing, right? It's my favorite honey. It's so good. You might have to mail me some of that. I don't know if it'll get through customs. I might have to send a courier.

Starting point is 00:51:22 Okay. Send a pigeon. So raw milk and honey is what I do first thing in the morning because I'm going to like send a courier, but yeah. Okay, send a pigeon. So yeah, an owl. So raw milk and honey is what I do first thing in the morning because I'm gonna go be active right away. And then I come back from surfing and I will eat my breakfast. So now it's probably nine, 9.30 in the morning and I'll have breakfast. Breakfast is meat.

Starting point is 00:51:37 So I'll do some grass fed ground beef burger or a little bit of liver, raw liver, maybe only half an ounce a day. I've been eating a lot of heart recently. So maybe I'll put a couple of ounces of heart on the grill or I'll grind up the heart and mix it in my burger. But I have a burger, a grass-fed beef burger. I have fresh squeezed orange juice in the morning,

Starting point is 00:51:54 post-surf, and I'll probably have some other fruit. Whatever's in season. I might have some mango. I might have rambutan, which is also known as mamonchino in Costa Rica. I maybe have some watermelon juice, but that's my breakfast. It's usually meat with some fruit juice. No eggs?

Starting point is 00:52:08 No eggs in the morning. It's hard for me to find good eggs, even in Costa Rica. I think if you can find eggs that are fed, that are pasture raised, that are not eating a lot of corn and soy, that's great. And that's one of the challenges for me. Wherever I go, it's hard to get good eggs. And so that's my breakfast.

Starting point is 00:52:22 Then I'll usually have a snack or like a small meal in the afternoon. And it's again, my meals are mostly meat and fruit. So I might have a little bit more steak. I might have the lineage beef sticks with a little bit of fruit. Maybe I'll make mango juice. I've got a juicer that gets a lot of work.

Starting point is 00:52:37 Does the fruit help the meat digest? I just, it just feels, I think that it's something about the way that I feel when I'm balancing plant foods and animal foods. And this is a change for me. This is a- So the fruit is your carbohydrates. Fruit and honey are my main carbohydrates.

Starting point is 00:52:51 The carb probably feels nice. It's like a sweet treat too. What juicer do you use? It's a stainless steel Breville on Amazon. Maybe there's a better one, but it's a stainless steel sort of like a centrifugal juicer on Amazon. And I just throw in, I'll make watermelon juice. I'll make mango juice. The Skinny Confidential, him and her podcast is

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Starting point is 00:57:29 On a random Saturday You tell me I gotta chop wood outside I gotta milk a goat I gotta get the chicken Nothing hotter guys Every guy There's a lot of guys in here right now There is nothing hotter

Starting point is 00:57:36 Than waking up to your husband Chopping wood I'll do all that But you're gonna be I'm telling you It's a female orgasm No no The sound of chopping wood

Starting point is 00:57:43 With his shirt off That is masculine shit, bitch. I will do all that, but you're going to be eating a lot of fucking balls. All right? That's the deal. Go ahead. Fair trade.

Starting point is 00:57:52 Go ahead. Fair trade. And then I might do some more raw milk or kefir in the afternoon with honey. And then dinner is maybe a steak, fruit, maybe have a squash. If I can find squash in Costa Rica, I'll mix it up and throw some squash in there for dinner.

Starting point is 00:58:04 My diet is pretty simple. This is just what I've termed an animal-based diet. I don't think everybody needs to eat this way, but I think of it as a good blueprint, a starting point. And it's basically meat and fruit. The expanded version is meat, organs, fruit, honey, raw dairy. That's 98% of what I eat. Raw cheese you're into. And then kefir, you keep mentioning kefir. Is kefir complementary to raw milk or can you replace raw milk with kefir? you keep mentioning kefir. Is kefir complementary to raw milk or can you replace raw milk with kefir? Are they the same? Explain.

Starting point is 00:58:28 You can replace. So yogurt and kefir are similar but different. So yogurt is fermented for a short amount of time at a higher temperature with different cultures. Yogurt is usually around 145 degrees Fahrenheit fermentation. Kefir is fermented at 78 degrees Fahrenheit, and it usually has more bacterial cultures in it. So I like kefir. It's not heated as much, and it's easier to make. You can make your own kefir. In fact, I got some kefir from Sapien Center here in Austin. And basically

Starting point is 00:58:57 what you do to get kefir is you take raw milk, you put it in a jar, a glass jar, and you add kefir grains, and you put it at room temperature for a day, a day and a half. And you have kefir. That sounds overwhelming. I'm just going to go to Sapien. Is Sapien like a market? It's just a gathering place for like-minded people here in Austin. One of my friends started it.

Starting point is 00:59:17 They have like an outdoor workout space. You can buy raw milk. They do events there. They have like a cold plunge and stuff. Yeah, it's just a cool spot. You better be careful though, because last time you were on this podcast you blasted out a farm and they i went to see them and i was like what's going on and they were like oh this guy paul saladino said something on a podcast i was like i was like oh what they were like it's skinny

Starting point is 00:59:39 no i also think you said it on your own channel too but like people are gonna go to sapien now well it's good because i want i want them to support. I mean, I think it's great like any Any conduit that people can get raw milk through i'm happy about but you have done joe rogan, which is obviously an incredible accomplishment You've done a lot of different shows, but to me I would like to know does joe Is he in line with your diet and when you went on his show, did he pick up any tips and tricks, you know, joe? Eats similarly. I haven't seen the way joe eats recently, but here's what happens. So joe has done the carnivore diet a whole bunch Joe is probably like most quote normal people. He likes to be fit, but he also likes to eat dessert sometimes too Yeah, and so what I know is that when joe, he'll go to Carbone and eat like probably 3000 calories

Starting point is 01:00:28 of a pasta dish in New York and he'll eat pasta or he'll eat bread. And he says he feels like garbage, but it tasted amazing. So Joe wants to do both. And then Joe does these periods where he goes on only meat. He does strict carnivore for a month and he always loses 10 to 15 pounds. He's a lot of his bloating go down.

Starting point is 01:00:44 He looks amazing. He's even said on his podcast and he told me that his autoimmune condition, which is vitiligo, sort of a whitening of the skin, a loss of the pigment cells, the melanocytes in the skin, that gets better when he does strict carnivore. And then he goes back and forth. So after I did his podcast, I told him, you know, hey, if you add fruit when you're doing carnivore, your workouts will be better. Cause the one thing Joe said about carnivore that bothered him was that his workouts suffered because he wasn't eating any carbohydrates. So after his podcast, I remember he messaged me and said, Hey, I added fruit. This is amazing. I'm going to keep doing this. And I think he did that for a long amount of time. And I think he mostly now when he talks

Starting point is 01:01:20 on his podcast is eating meat fruit and he's reincorporated some vegetables. That's what I know about his diet right now. But I do think that he goes to strict carnivore sometimes if he really wants to lose weight, but he likes to have dessert frequently and it definitely helped him. I mean, he said his workouts got so much better when he included the fruit and the meat together.

Starting point is 01:01:38 But I think that Joe's amazing because he's an advocate for this kind of stuff. And a lot of people that he knows in his circle have done carnivore, which is just an easy on-ramp, just eat meat, super simple, to people kind of changing their diet in a healthy way. But yeah, it's cool to see him. What is the first thing you'll notice

Starting point is 01:01:52 if you go from eating everything to going carnivore? Like say someone wants to do a reset, what are like the first things that they're like, are they going to get a hunger spike? Are they going to, in the beginning, are they going to feel- They might get diarrhea. Okay.

Starting point is 01:02:03 I mean, this is an interesting thing. So when you, any tiny conversation about a strict carnivore diet. So I did a strict carnivore diet for about a year and a half, then added fruit and honey to my diet around three or four years ago, because I had issues with long-term ketosis. I had electrolyte issues, didn't sleep very well without carbohydrates. But one of the things people notice when they do strict carnivore is when they go from eating moderate amounts of fiber in their diet from salad or sweet potato to zero fiber is they sometimes get loose, loose poop. So they get diarrhea. This is probably because of a malabsorption of bile acids in the small intestine. And when those bile acids end up in the colon, they're

Starting point is 01:02:37 cathartic and they just cause us to have diarrhea. So if people do strict carnivore and they get the diarrhea, they can just add back in a little bit of plant food, like some avocado or a little bit of fiber to just bind up the bile acids or to prevent them from being free in the colon. And that'll help with the GI stuff. Because one of the things people notice on carnivore is just major diarrhea sometimes, and that can be limiting. And I think that doing just meat for a short amount of time

Starting point is 01:02:59 can be a very simple, easy to communicate reset for people. I think it doesn't work great long-term because I do think plant foods are valuable for humans. This is an evolution for me. And I'll just mention this because we almost got there, but I didn't quite mention it. There is, so people talk about acid alkaline, right? And it's actually kind of a thing

Starting point is 01:03:16 that meat contains acidic amino acids, sulfur containing amino acids are acidic in the human body. We don't see the pH of the blood change, but you may see the pH of your interstitial fluid and certainly the pH of the urine changes depending on what you're eating. And that's reflecting that the body is having to buffer acid versus alkaline loads based on the foods we're eating. And so when I was eating strict carnivore, the urine pH was five or less, which is on the acidic side. Now that I have fruit and fruit juice, the urine pH is seven to eight or even eight plus. So it's a much more alkaline urine, which means, okay,

Starting point is 01:03:48 I think what's going on for me is that if I'm just eating meat or cheese, my body is just, it just feels better to say, hey, I need a piece of fruit with that. I just need something to kind of balance this alkaline acid thing going on. It doesn't change the pH of my blood. It's intuitive. It's intuitive. And kids do the same thing. There's's amazing studies i think from probably decades ago where they gave kids multiple types of food and invariably the kids go for meat oh and they'll go for fruit but they will always kind of balance the two they won't just eat meat when my kids don't feel good they ask me for coconut water why because they want they want electrolytes. When they are wanting

Starting point is 01:04:26 something salty, like they're craving maybe magnesium or potassium, they'll ask me for chips. You know what I mean? They want the salt. It's really interesting and cool to watch them intuitively know what they need. And I think if you gave your kids a plate with plant foods and animal foods, they would probably eat some of both. Yeah. You know, because they see the same thing. They're not just going to, they're not just going to eat alkaline foods. That will be hard on the body. Just the way that eating purely acidic foods is. And acidic and alkaline foods, one is not good, one is not bad. Within the acidic alkaline conversations, people will say, oh, if you just eat alkaline foods, you'll never get cancer. I've never seen science to support that, right? If you just eat alkaline foods, you'll push your body to be far too alkaline, which is why I'm not a huge fan of like alkaline waters and stuff. You know, you got to be careful with this, but you don't want a fully, you don't want to eat just acidic foods. And this is, this is real science, you know, acidic amino acids and those alkaline minerals, potassium, magnesium, other minerals in these plant foods. So some balance of that helps. And I think that's kind of what I was

Starting point is 01:05:23 tapping into now. And I'll just, I'll just think like, okay, I had meat and I had some milk, a lot of acidic amino acids. I actually kind of want to drink some orange juice or some watermelon juice or eat a mango right now. And then you're like, oh, that feels better. And your body kind of calms down. Aren't you inspired to get a juicer and juice? I am. All the vegans that were upset that we called them out for farting started cheering when we said the meat eaters are shitting themselves. I know. Paul, Michael. Until you have an ax. Michael, get an ax. Order an ax off Amazon and a Breville juicer and you'll have me forever. We have covered a lot of ground. Michael is really into kiwi right now. Okay. I

Starting point is 01:05:55 love kiwi. Are you a kiwi fan? Kiwi's great. I think kiwi's amazing. The one caveat I have about kiwi. I knew we'd have a caveat. People that are sensitive to oxalates, kiwi is one of these fruits that has more oxalates than average for fruit. And it seems to be just around the seeds. I think that the plant is just putting these oxalate crystals around the seeds. Now, people aren't familiar with oxalates. This is oxalic acid.

Starting point is 01:06:16 It's a compound made in the human body from the breakdown of certain amino acids. So we make a small amount of oxalates per day, but some foods like spinach, vegetables are probably much higher in oxalates than Kiwi, but spinach, rhubarb, almonds have a lot of oxalates. Turmeric powder has a lot of oxalates. Navy beans have a lot of oxalates.

Starting point is 01:06:35 These can accumulate and potentially end up in our joints. Some people who are kidney stone formers, who are calcium oxalate kidney stone formers, react very negatively to oxalates. So you just have maybe one is fine. Yeah, just like moderate amounts. My favorite fruit though is mango. There's nothing better than a good mango.

Starting point is 01:06:49 Mango is mango, wait till you juice it. Ooh, Michael. What's your favorite way to cut a mango? Okay, so what I do is, I don't know if this is right. I cut it, I cut it three ways. So I cut on one side of the seed and I cut on the other side of the seed and then I cut around the seed.

Starting point is 01:07:04 Okay, do you ever do the thing where you like cut the little squares and then just open it and eat it? You can do that. That's amazing. If you cut half and then you cut half and you cut the squares. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:12 I will skin the mango. I'll take all the skin off the mango. Then I'll cut on both sides of the seed. Then I'll just cut around the seed. Both your ways sound good. Before you go, I have just launched a series on Instagram called What's in Your Bag. And I want you to tell us what's in your bag. And I want you to tell

Starting point is 01:07:26 us what's in your bag. And then I also want to tell the audience, we will be making a smoothie, a Paul Saladino smoothie on my Instagram stories. So definitely go watch that. So let's do it. What's in your bag. So I've got my, my man purse here. It's my trusty REI bag. I feel like you're going to pull out a goat testicle or something. So might. So I had water in glass in my side pocket. I've got a passport. I've got my old school wallet. My sister gave this to me maybe 20 years ago. Holy shit, that thing's hanging on a dear life. It's a little moldy, but it's a map of Glacier Bay in Alaska. It's got colonas from Costa Rica. I don't have any US dollars in here, guys. I'm really balling. I've got 5 million colonas in

Starting point is 01:08:02 my wallet, which is about $10. And this is important. I have wired headphones. There are no Bluetooth headphones in my bag, right? So I use wired headphones. When I'm listening to music or on my computer, I'm using wired headphones because I still have concerns. And I don't think we have enough research to really say that the radio frequency EMF that comes from wireless headphones is safe. I have a little

Starting point is 01:08:28 bit of Mariola honey that I brought for you, Lauren. And the tragic story here is that part of this spilled in my bag, not this bag, but my other bag. So I only have a little bit for you. I've got a hat, which I wear when I'm in the sun. This is geeky. I've got a tri-field meter. So this is a meter that shows you radio frequency, EMF, magnetic fields, because I will sometimes test this in my Airbnb and I'm on the lookout for a Tesla because I wanna see what the magnetic field is in a Tesla. I don't have the answer to that yet.

Starting point is 01:08:59 This is my strap. This is for stretching. So this morning when I was over on the other side of town doing this podcast or this documentary for Hardened Soil, I'll take this

Starting point is 01:09:09 and I'll just do like these over the shoulder stretches. So good for you. We need to get one of those. And I just love, this thing is amazing. It's just a great band.

Starting point is 01:09:16 And then I've got some lineage meat sticks for a snack. And I've got a spare t-shirt in case the one I'm wearing gets sweaty and I've got an apple which is a unique apple yeah do we have a code for lineage and heart and soil no off the top of my head but I'll get you guys one okay let's put it in the we'll link it when we let's do code skinny yeah is it lineage provisions.com lineage provisions.com I have

Starting point is 01:09:43 spoons you guys have to try this. Oh, that's my favorite honey on the planet. Lineage Provisions, I just do want to shout out that I eat this every single day and my kids eat it. I said that you guys have to try this beef jerky. Paul, the best part about this jerky is that there is 16 grams of protein. Show them how little.

Starting point is 01:10:03 In this little stick, four of them are 16 grams of protein, them how little in this little stick four of them are 16 grams of protein which is fucking insane that's a lot of protein right that's not yeah so i use it all the time i had him bring it from costa rica so you may not have had this one no that's i think that one's different what's the best honey i've ever had that's michael this is not for you that is mary that is mariola honey so that is from stingless bees. Stingless bees. Stingless bees. That is a very, very special honey. People put that in their eyes in Costa Rica.

Starting point is 01:10:29 It's like a, don't put it in your eyes. It really stings. It's like a wives' tale. But anyway, that's the best honey I've ever had. So in this package from Lineage, it's four ounces. And there are, I think, 60 grams of protein in this package. Wow. And we made them into smaller little pieces, but we put them in like little bite-sized things. So there's not 16 grams of protein in that package. Wow. And we made them into smaller little pieces,

Starting point is 01:10:45 but we put them in like little bite-sized things. So there's not 16 grams of protein in that one. But in four. Do you leave the casing on when you eat it or do you take it out of the casing? I eat the casing. It's collagen. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:54 Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So they got a circular one here. You're going to think this is weird, but I think it's helped grow my hair. I don't doubt it.

Starting point is 01:11:02 I don't doubt it. I mean, we know that the nutrients in liver, whether it's biotin that's in liver or just protein in general, I mean, the collagenous proteins in meat, what's interesting is that when we make, so these beef sticks were really hard to make. There were, I think we had 54 trials of this over two years to get the beef stick formulations right. We're using trim. So we're using combinations of meat and fat with natural collagenous tissues in there. It's not just like we're taking the leanest meat.

Starting point is 01:11:29 So there's naturally occurring tendons and ligaments and connective tissues, like fascial tissues from the animal go into the beef stick. So that's, I think, where humans have traditionally gotten their collagen, not from a collagen powder per se. I am a fan of mouth taping.

Starting point is 01:11:42 I have Skinny Confidential mouth tape that I'm gonna give you to try. Awesome. But one of the things that i'm really passionate about right right now is using our working out our jaw and what i like about your beef sticks is that it works my jaw out and that makes sense that there's animal fascia in it because you can like when you're chewing it it's like hard to chew but it's good for your jaw do you know what i mean yeah so well chewing in general yeah do you ever get stew meat? No. Sometimes if you go to a butcher,

Starting point is 01:12:09 you can get stew meat or. Give me some more stew. Every once in a while, I'll get a steak in Costa Rica and they're kind of chewy. And the first reaction I have is, man, this is horrible. And then I think, all right, this is my jaw workout. I just chew the heck out of that. So many of the steaks you get in steak houses now,

Starting point is 01:12:22 they're just tender, they melt in your mouth. Tasty, but you actually want to chew on fascia and it doesn't sound appetizing but man it feels good in your jaw yeah and of course as a man i'm always thinking like yeah i'm getting handsome yeah it's like it gives you a little jaw pop that in the mouth tape and i'm good to go yeah and then guys if you're gonna go on heart and soil you can use code skinny hopefully we can get it set up with Paul. I would definitely recommend the Her supplement and it's because it has all the organs in it. Where can everyone follow you?

Starting point is 01:12:55 If they don't already go listen to the other episode he was on. Tell us where to find you. Paul Saladino, MD at all the socials. Okay. Super simple. Paul, you're welcome. Anytime back on. It's so good to see you guys. Go watch my Instagram stories because Paul is making us a Paul Saladino smoothie.

Starting point is 01:13:07 I promise I didn't put any farts in your couch. Thank you. Thanks for that. Get rid of this couch.

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