The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Real Housewife Jill Zarin & Ally Shapiro On Housewives Juice, The History Of The Show, & How A Franchise Was Born

Episode Date: November 1, 2021

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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

According to my family, they said I was changing and it was going to my head and I needed to get grounded. And I had a lot of anxiety with the show. That summer, they wouldn't tell us if we were coming back or not. And that gave me enormous anxiety. Like I needed to know, what am I doing in the fall? Am I on it? Am I off? Am I traveling? You know, that anxiety is what ultimately led to my demise because I quit on an email and then I got fired.

A little fun fact about Michael. What's that? He loves, and I mean he fucking loves, housewife juice. I love the juice in general, but yeah, I like the housewife juice. He loves housewife juice. Who doesn't? I don't know. I'm not afraid to say it.

Today, I was watching Potomac and he was peripheraling the TV so hard. I had to be like, can you get out of my personal space? Well, I get a little confused because you'd bounce around on seasons and I only watched the most recent ones. I'm all caught up. So I was watching, I was confused because there was two characters on there that I thought didn't like each other, but they were friendly. You know what I'm saying? Because it was an older season. You're really invested. You get committed to Housewives. And here's what I will say. One of your favorite seasons is New York. Well, I love New York. I think New York's the... I think they're the top of the top on the franchise.

I got to say Potomac's my favorite because the shade that they throw in that show is out of control. Do not sleep on Potomac. But I will say New York is right up there. I like the energy the New Yorkers bring. But I got to say, I fell in love with New York because of Jill Zarin. So to have her on the podcast today is just so iconic. And I think even if you don't watch Housewives, you're going to love this episode because we did a mother-daughter interview with Jill and her daughter, Allie. And they really open up about how it is to work together. Housewives secrets and juice. Jill definitely spills the tea and so does Allie.

And then they talked about being entrepreneurs and living in New York. And it's really interesting. They both have had a very, very wild life. So I think you guys are going to like this episode. Did I just fuck up our chances for getting any of the other franchises on the show? You might have. I'm sticking by what I say. New Yorkers bring it. I don't care. Whatever. New Yorkers bring it. Maybe they come on the show and show me something different. I don't know, but I'm sticking with the New York one. Jill brought it. So first, we'll start with Jill Zarin. Who is Jill Zarin? She is one of the original cast members of Bravo's television, Real Housewives of New York. She is no stranger to the spotlight,

and she has created a major career in fashion and textiles before even being taped for Real Housewives. She now has a business with her daughter, Allie Shapiro, who is also a New Yorker. Allie was on the show. She was one of my favorite kids. I am invested in the kids. I really commit to them. So Allie, I love you. I adore you. She is the creative director of the on the rise fashion brand Jill and Allie, which they run together. And we're going to get into it on this episode. Definitely waiting to the end of this episode. There's a major giveaway. I hope you love this. We recorded this in New York live with both of them. Enjoy. This is the skinny, him and her. Okay. I am so excited to have Jill

and her daughter Allie in studio right now. I have to tell you, you're one of my favorite housewives and you're one of my favorite housewives' children. This is pretty iconic. Thank you. Thank you for having us. You guys are OG. Yes, that is true. I think I call myself number six. Number six. I'm number six housewife because Vicky, I think Jenna, Jenny, wait, what's her name? Gina.

Gina. Sorry, Gina. Keogh was number one, I believe. And then like Vicky and whatever. So I'm like number six. Because she was first on New York. She helped cast in New York. And I think there's way over 100. You helped cast New York. How did you do that? Like,

tell us how you got approached. It wasn't really like on purpose. It was crazy. So they got greenlit. Shed Media got greenlit to do a show called Manhattan Moms. That's what it was originally called. And they were hired by Bravo. And they were told, go find people who fit this criteria. And the criteria was they wanted moms who were wealthy with kids in private school. And they thought that that would make a dramatic reality show. So they didn't know where to go to look because these kids, the kids, they're like 20 year olds are working in this office in LA trying to find people to fit this. How are they going to get them? They're not even in New York, let alone run in that circle. So at the time, there really wasn't the internet the way it is today. So there was a

website called New York Social Diary. And that was kind of where all the socialites would be written about. It's kind of like instead of it being in paper, like it used to be, it was there. And- The guest of a guest. My guest of a guest, that kind of thing. So Ali and I had gone to a charity event not long before, and our photo was on it. And he saw a good picture of the two of us. And this 21-year-old boy named James Davis called me up on the phone and said, he left a message on my machine.

I wish I still had the answering machine. But I remember exactly what he said. That was 2005, I think, 2005 or 2006. And he said, hi, my name is James Davis. I'm calling from Ricochet Television. We produce Supernanny and we're doing a new reality show about glamorous New York moms. If you're interested, give me a call. Just like that. And I said to Bobby, what, you know, should I call? He goes, absolutely, call. And that's like the beginning and the rest is history. So was Bobby on board right away? Right away. He wanted to do reality television.

You know, I had just done the Gastineau Girls with Lisa Gastineau. I wasn't a main character, but I decorated her house on the show, even though I got like no airtime. It was so not worth it. But I learned a lot about it because I was there while she was filming. So I was intrigued by it. Sure. When I saw Lisa with the lights and the cameras, I'm like, I'd like to do that. Why not? I'd love to have a camera follow me around. I have a great life. And what was the backstory with you and Bobby before Housewives? How did you guys meet? Do you think of him as a second dad? Is he or your dad? Like, what's the backstory on Bobby? So, well, I guess the backstory on me is that I was married to Allison's dad when I got, when I was 24 years old, 23, almost 24. And I had Allie when I was almost 30

and you know, dad and I best of friends, but the romance was gone. So we decided to get divorced. And shortly after that, I met Bobby's Aaron who was separated also. And we started to date and a year and a half later about, we got married. Allie was about six, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And we didn't know, we didn't know what to do when we first started, when we first together socially, because, you know, he had friends together with his wife and went with his wife. And I did have some friends who stayed with me and someone with Steven. So we needed to kind of start our own thing. So I lived in Waterside, which is on the East river. It's a bunch of like kind of middle income housing where my in-laws lived and we lived and Steven's brothers lived. We all lived there. It was so

great because there was a plaza in the middle and these four high rise buildings. It was great. But we lived on the water. So I look out the window and there's a marina down below. Now, they only have big charter boats, but back then they had private boats. And we looked downstairs and we said, you know, maybe we should get a boat because we don't really know what to do this summer. We don't really have that many friends. So maybe we should get a boat because we don't really know what to do this summer. We don't really have that many friends. So maybe we should get a boat and we'll go to different places and see where we'd like. We'll go to Connecticut. We'll go to the Hamptons, you know, to go to the Jersey Shore.

So we literally got in the car. We went down to the west side of New York City downtown. And there was Surfside Marina had a place there, which is a boat dealership. They sell sea rays. And we like bought a boat. You just sailed around on this boat all over the East Coast. Well, we didn't know what to do. Once we got the boat, we didn't know how to drive the boat. I mean, that was like another whole thing. We got this 40 foot boat. We had no idea how to drive. So now

I'm at the mercy of captains that, you know, don't want to work. And it became very difficult, very fast. So I had to learn how to drive the boat. So I went to boating school. Oh my gosh. I got my license. I'm serious. And while I was in school and learning how to drive and go back, you know, backing into the slip, back and forth, back and forth, the owner of Sea Ray comes over, the owner of the dealership comes over to me and says, we just got a brand new 50 foot Sea Ray Sundancer. It just came in. It's on like bricks out of the water. You got to see it. So I'm like, oh my God, this is eight weeks after we got our first boat. So we get on the boat and it's gorgeous.

It's like a discotheque in there. It had these disco lights. I remember the back couch and it had, you know, three staterooms. It was a beautiful boat. And Bobby says that when he pulled up to pick me up from that day in boating, that I was like doing backwards somersaults down the driveway. And when I got to him, I'm like, you got to get me this boat. And he did.

And then he upgraded my boat in eight weeks. That's about boat. Boating is all about upgrading. You know, you're never happy with what you have. You always have to get a bigger, better boat. And then you get out of boat. But we had a 50 foot boat for a couple of years. And then we got a 72 foot because I couldn't drive anymore. I couldn't take it. The pressure. You're just living on a boat this whole time. Well, in the summer. And you're the perfect person to drive the boat because you're not a big drinker. I don't drink. So I was driving the boat when it was small. And you're the perfect person to drive the boat because you're not a big drinker. I don't drink. So I was driving the boat when it was small.

When it got to 72 feet, I hired a captain and a mate. And we did that for a couple of years. And then I, you know, if I had only put my money in real estate instead of a boat, I can't even tell you. The point is she was a big socialite and got recognized to be whatever. But at the time, there weren't really any other reality shows.

So it wasn't like we knew what could happen. There was no Kardashians. There was no Instagram. The only thing there was was Lisa Gaston, our show, and the Osbournes. Yeah, that was the Osbournes. One thing that I think is so great about Bobby, I just have to mention this, is that he had so much charisma. And that really came through the show.

And I think that sometimes the husbands, they're either pissed off that they came through the show. And I think that sometimes the husbands, they're either pissed off that they're on the show or they're trying to get the limelight. There's like so many dynamics or they're going to get a divorce. But with Bobby, he seemed like he was different. He supported you, but he was comfortable with being a little. Yes. Yes. Well, there can only be one peacock in the family relationship. Right. That's in the book. We wrote a book, Secrets of be one peacock in the family, in the relationship. Right. That's in the book. We wrote a book, Secrets of a Jewish Mother. In the book, it says there can only be one peacock in a family.

Yes. And I was the peacock. That's the peacock. You can't be the peacock. No, no, no. And he has to be okay with that. Otherwise, the marriages don't usually last. Okay.

So by the way, if you think about some of the divorces that have happened on Housewives, you can see how the husband wanted to become the peacock. It's always strange to watch that too. Like when the husband's doing that, it feels very awkward to watch. It does when they try to steal the limelight. Yeah. It is uncomfortable. There can only be one peacock in a Housewives cast too. That's right. Oh yeah. That, you know, that's why the Housewives is what it is because you've got like five peacocks fighting for this, for the lead, you know. So tell them how you helped cast it. I interviewed for the show. I gave them an you helped cast it. I interviewed for the show.

I gave them an audition tape, which was really, take a video like this, do five minutes. What are they asking you in that audition? Or is it just- It wasn't really questions. There were no questions.

I was hanging out. Tell us, put just tape telling us about yourself. So of course you want to show the, I'm Jill Zarin and it's my daughter Allie, and she goes to school at Birch, and, you know, she was how old? 13 years old? Or I don't even know how old you are. Is Birch like an amazing school?

No. It's a very small private school in Upper East Side. Okay. Luann's children went there, too. Right. Which is so funny. So did you start casting who you would bring together in this videotape or no? No, this was way premature. So once I got cast, so to speak, and they liked it,

they told me that they weren't going to be doing the show, that they were going to be doing, I forgot the name of it, producing another show that was on ABC or something, and that this was not greenlit, which I, of course, I didn't even know what that meant. But I learned that greenlit meant that they're going to do the show. There was no, there's no redlit though. So there was no redlit, but it wasn't greenlit. So that was it. I went on with my life. And I remember exactly one day I was in the Hamptons with you at Saks, and we were at Saks Fifth Avenue. And I get a phone call from Bravo saying that they got the green light. And I'm like, well, that's great, but I'm in the Hamptons. So, you know, I guess we can't do it. And they're like, no, no, no, no,

we could start it in the Hamptons. We wanted it to be real. And, but we have a problem. We don't have anybody else. We just have you. And we have this other couple that you don't know from Brooklyn, which was Alex and Simon. So can you help us find other people? Cause it's better if the show, if they're connected and one by one, I found them, not found them. I, you know, introduced them to a lot of friends of mine, but they turned them down for whatever reason. Bethany, I found them. Not found them. I, you know, introduced them to a lot of friends of mine. But they turned them down for whatever reason. Bethany, I ran into at Polo. We were not friends, friends.

We knew each other, friendly enough. Because she was on the Martha Stewart Apprentice. Because she was on the Martha Stewart Apprentice, I thought of her. And Bobby's actually the one who went over to Bethany at Polo and said, listen, Jill just got asked to do this TV show. We think you might be interested in it. You know, do you want to know anything about it?

And when I told her what it was about, she wasn't married and didn't have kids, but she had her boyfriend Jason standing there. And I'm like, well, Jason's was married and he has kids. So it could be the story of you wanting, you know, wanting that. And she thought it was an OK idea. And I called Andy Cohn. And, you know, it's so funny. Andy Cohn was once asked, I'll never forget this, who called you in the past the most of all the

housewives? And he said, Jill Zarin. And I laughed because the reason I called him so much was to get Bethany on the show. Whoa. That's why I called him so much. Mic drop. When he counts up all the times I called him, if he looks over the history, I mean, I speak to Andy on text often, often. I mean, not every day, not even every month, but often enough. And he always responds right away. But I'm just saying that when he said, who calls you the most? I think what he was remembering is at the beginning of the show, because when the show started going, I didn't call him very often. And he was the executive producer? Yes. He was the boss. He still is. Why is it so hard to find a good protein powder? I cannot believe

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Did you see the chemistry? Was there magic right away? What was your vibe on that? I knew the show would be a big hit. You did? I did. Because of who? I think we all did. Looking back because of all of you? And by the way, you know how I knew it. So I did. So I collected things because I had a feeling. So I'm like the only person in the world that has memorabilia that's signed by the original five, including me and Bethany. Open a museum. I should. You should. I mean, I have. Housewives Museum.

The big posters that were done season three, that was a museum. I should. You should. I mean, I have the big posters that were done season three. That was a giveaway in AM Magazine. It was this big photo of the cover shoot. I got four of those autographed by all of us. And I have them. Were you, Simon and Alex were definitely quirky. Were you into that at first?

I forgot about those two. How could you forget? Well, I just, I'm going down memory lane though. Honestly, I think they were the best of all the seasons. I think having Simon and Alex on is a big hole. That kind of a character. People love them.

Like, John Legend, Chrissy Teigen said that if she could bring anyone back, it would be Alex and Simon. Because they, they... What happened to them? You know what?

He tried to make a living hereafter as a hotelier and he just couldn't because the haters were like calling the hotel. That is so mean. It was horrible.

Come on. It was horrible. He got fired because of it. Oh, that's sad. And they moved back to Australia, where he's from, and he became a lawyer, and she got a PhD in psychology. Good for them. And I follow them on Instagram, and the kids who were little babies, Francois and Johan,

you know, six feet tall. So crazy. Yeah, people need to be nice. That's so mean. That's his livelihood. It was horrible. Yeah. But he, but you know what?

Honestly, back then he was evil too. Well, maybe. And that's part of the reason he had to leave. He had to get away from it. He completely turned into a monster. Like he would sit in his basement literally and write the most disgusting things about me, about my family.

Oh yeah, he and I were at it bad. And there were like websites you could blog on before Instagram. And you couldn't, I hate. They had an I hate jillzaron.com. What do you think the reason is that like relationships like that on these shows can get so nasty? Right? Because obviously it doesn't start that way when you go into filming with a cast. Well, I think it's very complicated, but part of it is they call it camera balls. That's what I call it. And when the camera's on you, like that with the lights and whatever,

I think that people will say and do certain things that they would never do in their real life. It's kind of like, you know, they talk about what people will do in a group versus alone, you know, when they do bad things. You know, the group mentality, you would never do alone.

Like when kids are doing bad things, like stealing or something or whatever, you're playing it up a little bit more. You're amplifying it. I think that when you've got, yeah. And also, you know, you're being filmed in the back of your head and you want to make good television. Also, when you see something on TV, it's edited, right? So you, you always film four to four hours at a time in groups, you know, in the morning, it's four hours in the afternoon. It takes 45 hours to make a 45-minute show. 45 hours of filming. When were you doing all this and you both felt an epiphany and something shifted and you're like,

I know you said you knew it was going to be big, but when did something happen that you were like, whoa? I don't know if there was one. Yes, there was. Okay. After the second season, when you saw yourself on the bus was when you knew, I think, that it was like a huge. Well, that was a big thing for me. Like, I feel like I hit my personal goal in life. And by the way, it was a goal I never had until I, you know, on television. But, you know, you see the buses in New York City all day with these big ads on them. And, you know, you just kind of be like, what would it be like to have my picture on one of those? And of course, why would it ever be? I mean, unless I wanted to pay for it. You know, I always said it would be so great to see the show on there. And I was told that Bravo would never, ever buy buses for New York Housewives or any Housewives. But what happened was that year,

Project Runway got yanked from the network and they had a hole in their advertising and they put Housewives of New York in and we got on the buses. And I was like, oh my God. But I don't think there was ever a time when we were actually filming that we looked around and was like,

oh my God, this is- We did Harvest Bazaar. Because you don't realize- It was unbelievable. What about people- Yeah, I think it's all the after stuff. Recognizing you on the street. When that started to happen, did you really think,

whoa, do people come up to you? Do they sit and take pictures of you secretly? How does that work? Every day. Still. But I don't notice it. Usually it's Allie or Gary who will say, did you see that?

And I'm completely oblivious. And I'm not faking it. That's probably a good thing. Both of you guys are. I just don't even think of myself as famous. I just think that people are very friendly. And so I'm very friendly about very friendly but if you think about it we haven't been on TV

in over 10 years we stopped in 2011 yeah but she's crazy there's some housewives that are iconic they're just there's some that

you know so who are yours Vicky Gunvalson's iconic iconic I mean come on she's like she's like the OG she's the OG of the OG

Lisa Vanderpump's iconic iconic I think with the Utah cast Meredith Marks is a standout star I mean, come on. She's like the OG. She's the OG of the OG. Lisa Vanderpump's iconic. Iconic. I think with the Utah cast, Meredith Marks is a standout star. Even the one, Mary, who's married to her grandfather. Like, I mean, you know. That cast couldn't be better. You know what, though? People are sleeping on Potomac.

Potomac is- I haven't watched it the whole season. You got to start from the beginning, season one. There's so much dynamic. I saw it last year when they were fighting. So good. But now that Wendy, you know, all of a sudden is dressed like crazy S&M and, you know, all things out. Was she the one who's a professor?

Yeah, she's a professor. But this season, she totally changed up her vibe. And she got boob implants and her butt done. And she's letting them hang out. Well, better tune in. Yeah, why aren't you tuning in? You're missing out. She named her boobs Happy and she's letting them hang out. Yeah, well, better tune in. Yeah, why aren't you tuning in? You're missing out. She named her boobs

Happy and Ness, so you're missing out on happiness. Oh my God, that's such a great thing. I missed Washington, D.C. with the Sahara. I like that one too.

Why did they cancel that? And Miami was good too. Miami's back. I can't wait. But on Peacock. Okay, but how do we get you back? You know what though? They didn't put the original cast back.

I think there was so much. How do you not put Leah on? I think there was, like, naivete, I guess, in the first few seasons where, like, we genuinely were upper-eciders. I was going to school every day with Luann's kids.

Like, we were actually friends in the same circle of friends. Alex and Simon had that, like, genuineness of being fresh to New York, trying to be in the scene that everyone wants to be in. And I think that's why it really worked because even though you weren't

best friends before, like you did become good friends. I just think that, you know, casting wise, I think it's very hard for them to find a cast now because everyone's so aware of what the show is,

what it comes with. And the ones who want to do what they don't want and the ones that they want don't want to do it. And that's the problem because people have a brand or have an agenda. They don't want them because they don't want, you know, you want don't want to do it and that's the problem because people have a brand or have an agenda they don't want them because they don't want you know you to come

on and just sell your shit even though we all do but come on and just sell your stuff or have an agenda but because of the show and what it is and then the ones they really want which are really rich and really whatever they're gonna do this they wanted like the lilly vanderwoodson if they wanted the real gossip girl moms you know they wanted the socialites and these rich, fabulous women that travel over the world and now those people are scared to be on reality TV.

Well, they had it with Tinsley. I mean, like Tinsley was the right, Tinsley was legit. Tinsley was like a real socialite back in the day. Still is. I mean,

where is she? This summer in Newport. I mean, you know, Newport, Rhode Island. Rhode Island. Is that,

is that a place? Oh, Newport, Rhode Island was where all the, you know, the Vanderbilts and the, you know, the Fords. Why are you taking me to Newport?

The big mansions. You were thinking Newport, Orange County. I was thinking Newport, Orange County. I'm like, well, I mean. That's beautiful too. No, Newport has the big mansions on the ocean and it's very waspy and old money. Yeah. Oh, a little vacation.

It's like Palm Beach up in the, it's where the Palm Beach people go in the summer. Okay. Oh, wow. They go to Newport. See, I feel like you have all the intel. Well, I'm Jewish, so it's really not my people. My people used to not do Palm Beach, although we do what the Jews have definitely infiltrated Palm Beach. But there's still many clubs that do not allow Jews. What is your relationship like with with like Luann and all these housewives that you. OK, name them and I'll tell you, Luann. Best friends.

Talk to her all the time. She's in the South of France right now. She went to Switzerland. She had like a wedding or party or something. And she will be back soon. She's never looked better in her life. She, you know, she goes from being very thin to a little fluffy. I always say when she's, you know, like fat and happy.

Cause when she's been the happiest. She's really, really fit. She'll put on a few cause she's, you know, comfortable. But right now she is so slim in the best shape of her life. She's got multiple male suitors who want her. She's got one guy she's got her eyes on from Mexico who's absolutely drop dead gorgeous and the sweetest thing you've ever met. A little younger, but I think it's okay, you know, for her.

I think it works for her. I really do. What about housewives from other places? Who do you love? What are your friendships? Well, I try to speak to the ones who I, you know, have a relate, you know, reach out to like Vicky out of that group. And it's hard to be friends with really friends with more than one in a group because they're fighting. Oh, I didn't think about that. Right. So I'm very good friends with Vicky. Cynthia Bailey. Cynthia from Atlanta. But I, you know, I just texted with Nini yesterday. Her husband's, you know, in hospice.

Yeah. He was. I thought he had passed. And I felt terrible because I said, you know, I'm so sorry. And she goes, no, no, no. He's still. He's. But he's in hospice.

Well, I bet you could be a good friend for her. I have. Yeah. I bet. Absolutely. And I told her. Yeah. Because it's going to be, you know, she's strong.

And Greg and Bobby were very close. Well, they were. I don't know about very close. But they were very similar. Yeah. They were very supportive don't know about very close, but they were very similar. You know, they were very supportive of their wives and, you know, quiet. But Greg got more active, I think, than Bobby ever did. Well, Bobby stayed on it longer. Who knows?

Your new relationship. Can you give us a little juice? Gowie Bodie. Yeah, tell us about your new. Gowie Bodie. I told you off air, I said he's hot. He is hot. Yeah. He's hot. You know, I never thought I'd like a guy with a little juice. Yeah. Tell us about your new. I told you off air. I said he's hot. He is hot. Yeah. He's hot. You know, I never thought I'd like a guy with a bald head. How'd you guys meet? Tennis. Cute. So were you just out playing tennis and you saw him?

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yourself? I never even thought about it. I just want to play tennis. Oh, then he wants more. I said, don't give yourself so much credit. That's what I said. I said, don't give yourself so much credit. I'm not interested. Happily married. My husband's waiting upstairs. But he didn't want to play tennis with me anymore. And so I ran into him at tennis a couple of times at different places. And then we actually both were invited to the inauguration.

And we both went. Wow. What was that like? It was amazing, you know, to be at the inauguration of the United States. Whatever president it is, you know, it wasn't about politics. It was really just about being invited to go VIP to see the inauguration. What do you do? Do you have to go through all the Secret Service stuff? Well, yeah, no, your name and everything has gone through Secret Service because you're sitting in a special area. But we had these buses that took us,

they were like six family buses, family and friends buses that took you right up to the Capitol right next door. So you get out and got your seat. We were pretty close to the stage, not very. What was the connection there? How does one get invited to an inauguration? Well, I was on the board of Eric Trump's foundation. Okay. Back when he was 21 years old, 22, he started it.

And all the money goes to St. Jude Hospital, despite what people have said. It is an incredible charity. He's an incredibly charitable person. He started this at a very young age and he got as much free stuff given to him free so that more money, like 99% or whatever, could go to the charity. So he got a really bad rap

when his father became president because it just kind of went with the territory. Regardless of politics, what he did was so good for St. Jude. By the time he stopped, he had raised over $25 million for them. I mean, he built an so good for St. Jude. By the time he stopped, he had raised over $25 million for them. I mean, he built an emergency room for them. You're very into your philanthropy and charity too.

Can you speak on that? Well, you know, it's funny because there's literally happening to me right now. You know, sometimes it's on a global level like that. With our Jill and Allie company, which we haven't talked about yet, our Jill and Allie masks, we did it as a give back. We buy one mask, we give one to a healthcare worker or someone in need. Yeah. So right now we're giving to teachers because back to school is happening. Oh, we did like 20 yesterday. I saw them go through. We just charged $5 for shipping and

we give them like, you know, a million masks and they can give it out to whoever. It was really meant in the beginning for nurses and frontline workers. And now we're giving them to teachers because they need them. So we do that. And then we also had a GoFundMe at the beginning of the pandemic that raised money to, I funded it first with like $10,000. And then I asked for people to donate and we fed how many?

Like thousands of nurses and doctors across the country. We would just ask people, like we said, if you give $500 or more, we'll give and set it up at your hospital. So you tell us who, where you want to go, and we will find out and send it there. How can we support what you guys are doing as an audience in a community?

What can we do? Oh, thank you. Well, the GoFundMe, we… Right. We're not really doing that anymore. But the mask would be great. Should we give the code now? We'll give a code at the end, you guys.

And I'm going to tell you the mask to get because Michael's wearing one that's so hot. You know, we always have sales on the site, especially now with COVID going up and down. We have a lot of masks. So we're saying not only do they give back masks, but like, so you feel good when you wear it, but also they're actually so comfortable. It's really cool. Good. You know, now I'm dealing with it's funny, a distant relative of mine who I only met once or twice, a young girl who we didn't have a relationship with really because of bullshit in the family at the top. You know, the great aunts and uncles had a big fight and then the families never said. And then so the children never really met each other. But coincidentally, she worked at a store that we go to and we met this cousin of ours.

And fast forward a few years, I got an email. Ali got an email from her saying she's in trouble. She's in Israel. And she went into a real clinical depression and she needs to be in a facility longer. And she ran out of money. She has no more money. She can't pay for it. And she's desperate. She didn't know who to go to because her parents don't have it. She has no family. And I just got off the phone with her when I got here. I was on the phone with her for an hour and I'm going to be her benefactor. I'm going to make sure she stays in this treatment center because I can. I can't do it for everyone, you know, but she's family, distant, but family. And I heard her voice and her story and I believe in her and I think that she can get better. Allie, what is something that your mom has really taught you and instilled in you? What are like

some three things that you think have been really powerful lessons. Ooh, I don't know if this is a lesson, but it's something that I use a lot in regards to friends. I think I'm 28. I'm at a stage now where I'm like, and also after COVID, I think people have moved a lot. You guys have moved. A lot of my friends have left New York, come back to New York. So I think I'm in this new phase of life where like I'm out of my college friends. I'm out of work friends because I don't have, you know, co-workers anymore. And she has this concept basically that your friend groups, your friends are like a theater. So you have your orchestra, you have your balcony,

you know, you have this theater full of friends, but at different times in your life, some are more closer to you, some are further away, some are above. Then they move to the balcony. She used it with Bethany when she was friends with Bethany, housewives friends in general. But I think for me, like I have all these friends I've gathered from high school, from college, from work, from all over the world.

And sometimes they're in your front row, sometimes they're in your balcony, but they're there. So when you need them for certain things, they're there for you. But like other times, maybe they're not your best friend right now. So I feel like I use that a lot because I can't get upset anymore when like a friend doesn't call me every day but maybe that's just like

we're not at that place anymore Michael recently micro-dosed mushrooms and had this exact conversation did you? like literally exact conversation by the way everyone's micro-dosed

micro-dosing mushrooms this summer what does micro-dose mean? oh it's micro-dose in my case is that a new word for taking? it might have been a macro-dose in my case but What does microdust mean? What does microdust mean? Is that a new word for taking? It might have been a macrodose in my case. So you can relate to what I'm saying.

I can't, but in a way, but what I describe it as is like seasons. So I think people get really bitter with, you know, things that like, say you have a friend and then like that friendship stops for a while and you get really bitter about it. I think a better way to look is like seasons.

Like, you know, you can look fondly back on like last winter or last spring and you can look forward to the next and realize like those seasons can come and go again. I like the opera better. But yeah, it's a different concept. I like the opera better. It's more visual. Yeah. I can't visualize the spring.

Meaning like say you have a friend, right? And like I think a lot of people like they have a falling out with someone. And instead of being like, hey, I want to remember all the good times and like not hold, like not be bitter about it. Like that was like a really good time in the past. And like maybe it's not anymore, but it was. I think guys can do that.

I don't think girls can do that. Yeah, that may be true. Have you heard of like relationships are for a reason, a season or a lifetime? Yes. It's like that kind of thing. That's a good one. And I would say I probably said it better

when I was in a mushroom haze. Yeah. actually i'm not kind of getting jealous i've never done it but it's getting more well jill the next time i come back you brought us chocolate cookies i'll bring you some other chocolate we'll bring you special chocolate brownie god i love that idea i want to know and this is how i described you to obviously my husband watches the show as out of his peripheral he obviously knows who you guys are but how i described you to obviously my husband watches the show as out of his peripheral. He obviously knows who you guys are, but how I described you when I was saying we're coming here with someone who's a connector, you're very good at putting people together. You're sort of a visionary when it comes to that. And you are sort of, to me, you seem like you're friends with

everybody. You have friends in all different kinds of places that even the person you told me that you were just texting with, like random, different kinds of friends. What do you attribute that to? That's an art. I was thinking about if I should ever write a book that it should be called The Connector. Yeah, you should. And, you know, I was trying to think of one word to describe me because there's a game that I played once with a group of, actually it was family, but that I want to play again because I'm putting together something for a group and activities. And it's where everybody writes down,

you're all together and you all have pieces of paper. Let's say there's five people, you have five pieces of paper each. And everybody writes down one word to describe each person in the group. And then, you know, it's just fun reading them. You open it and you go,

who do you think this describes? You know? And then you say, well, this was Jill or whatever. And then whatever you have in front of you at the end, your five words, is really what people think of you. And I think connector is a really good word for me. My sister gave me a word, which now I can't remember, which was, oh, maximizer. And I'm like, where did you learn that though? Where did you learn? It's a finesse. It's a skill. Maybe someone who's- I think you're born with it. You think you can- What are your tips for someone to be a connector? I think I can teach it,

but I definitely was born with it. And then the ability to teach it too. Teach us a couple tips. Well, just, I mean, I have a whole bunch of tips that I give to kids coming out of college, but because I do like when I've done these appearances and things at colleges, I give them tips. Let's see for connecting. Well, you know, just in life, say yes to everything. No shouldn't even be in your vocabulary unless it's illegal or and not always, but unless it's illegal, then you should say yes to everything because you never know if you had said no, the doors that would not have opened. As soon as you say no, those other doors don't open.

So I would say another thing you've taught me is to be nice to everyone. I feel like especially on the housewives, a lot of people come off as maybe being bitchy or whatever, but it's that they're shy. I can think of some like kids in particular that don't get the best reputation, no matter how you're portrayed on TV or on Instagram, whatever, making sure that you're so kind to people in real life because the world is so small that it always comes back to you. Well, I learned that very young, just myself intuitively, that the assistant today is the president tomorrow. And I can't even tell you now how old I am that that really worked because I know people since I'm 21 working and some of those people are the presidents of like TJ Maxx or Macy's or wherever. She's going to be the president of something. Exactly. Yeah. You never know. Yeah. You better be. You better be nice. Well, I really work hard at people who work for me. I think that

everybody who's worked for me has gone on to lead incredible careers. My last assistant is now an executive at Google. And, you know, so don't worry, Ruby, we all said I train people. I hopefully I want to hear more about the fabric business that you built because it kind of showcased it on the show. But I want to hear more about how you built it, how you guys got into business together, how it was working with your husband, because it can be very difficult.

Well, I have to, I have to. And now it's more Jill and Allie. Right. I have to explain to you. So Zarin Fabrics is still alive and well and on the Lower East Side, but I have nothing to do with it at all. After Bobby passed, he left the business to his son and they run the business. I got the real estate.

Just saying. But out of the pandemic, we started this hobby, which I was tie-dyeing masks and became this huge business where now we do, obviously, the masks. We have apparel, accessories, we're doing candles. The apparel is so cute. I'm really obsessed with the Visiting Day family reunion. Thank you. You guys, it was so much fun. Teal and white.

It's a pastel. So cute on the Instagram feed. It's a windbreaker. I'm going to put it on my Instagram story. And the phone charms are going to love. We're going to have to see you in a few months. So we'll send it to you. We're coming out with crystal candles.

Candles that have a manifestation of the crystal like a rose quartz is love. And it has two giant, like 50 carat, if you wanted it, like huge chunks of crystals. Two of them in a candle and the sayings of what it does for you. And they're going to be on our website. We need a connector candle. We need a connector. Yeah, I'm sorry. I need a connector candle.

Yeah. We need a connector candle. Yeah, I'm sorry. I need a connector candle. So every day, Michael and the baby and I go on a walk and the shoes that I constantly wear are Rothy's. I know you guys know this because I have talked about them all the time. First of all, they're white and they machine wash, which is so incredibly efficient. And when you walk, they're not uncomfortable. So when you get new shoes and they're hurting your feet and giving you blisters and cutting off your circulation, Rothy's do not do this at all. And there are so many reviews talking about how they are the most comfortable shoes on the internet. I like the white ones. They're kind of like a boat shoe shape and they come with these spacious washable bags that are perfect.

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at rothys.com slash skinny. That's R-O-T-H-Y-S.com slash skinny. Head to rothys.com slash skinny to find your new favorites today. So on the connecting thing, two big hints for connecting. When you're in a group, always put your hand out because nobody will never take it. It's like virtually impossible. Even with COVID. Well, COVID's a little wonky, I have to say, because some people don't want to, including myself. But just in general, that was always my thing. And smile all the time. Because smiling says you're open to having someone talk to you. And if you're not smiling, then people aren't going to come over. You're not approachable. Also, you always, which

was like a joke on the Housewives, said your full name. Hi, I'm Jill Zarin. Hi, I'm Jill Zarin. It was never hi, I'm Jill. I branded myself. Yeah, that's great branding. Actually, you know who did that for me? Bethany. Oh. She was the one who started with the Jill Zarin. Bethany, not Bethany Frankel.

I know, but for me, she gave me like that fabric, you know, Jill Zarin. Can you remind me, because it's, who was on that original cast? Was Ramona there in the beginning? Oh, yes.

Oh, we have to talk about you and Ramona. Ramona, Sonia was later. You guys had a cute relationship. And you talk about you and Ramona. Ramona was, Sonia was later. You guys had a cute relationship. And you knew Sonia and Ramona? I didn't know Sonia very well. Ramona and I had played tennis in the Hamptons prior to me, us both being cast on the show. So we had a real authentic relationship.

Like I said, I knew Bethany and Luann was a new friend, but we made friends. You know, you get close fast doing a show. But Luann you brought on. But Luann was very loyal to me because I brought her on. She always had my back. What? Is Ramona really how she is

on the show in person? Exactly. That's what makes a good housewife by the way in my opinion. They're exactly who they are. I'm not as in it in the world as Lauren and obviously you

but I think that New York is always the most iconic seasons because the characters are just so... But I don't think this season worked. Maybe not this season. They didn't even do a reunion.

I think they just want the whole thing to go away. The subjects or the topics, everyone can debate about that. What I don't know if it worked is I don't know if the medley of the people worked together. Does that make sense?

I think the ages were wonky. You've got 62-year-old, I think LeBron is under 65, but like 63 or something. And you've got a 30-something-year-old. I mean, how does that work? So there's disconnect. She could be her daughter.

Well, because I think when I used to watch it in the past, I actually didn't watch this season, but it seemed like you guys would all be in the same circles. Like, you watch this one, it doesn't seem like the people would be in the same circles.

They're forcing them together. And then they force them into't, you watch this one, it doesn't seem like the people would be in the same circles. Well, it's not, you know, and then they force them into these, you know, force them into these friendships which are not real. Like we just interviewed Lala Cant. I don't know if you guys

ever watched Vanderpump, right? Oh, yes. I know Lala. And I think the reason that show is such a phenomenon does so well is like all of those people in real life

are so connected and that drama's real. And the new ones coming in, it's harder. Here's my pitch. Bravo. Jill Zarin needs to cast, recast the show for New York. Let's start clean.

We need to refresh it, bring back the nostalgic vibes. By the way, I have a cast. I definitely have a cast. Oh, she has a cast. She has a cast. Of course I have a cast. She has a cast. I'm ready to go. I think we need Jill Zarin producing the next season. That definitely will never happen. But I appreciate the love.

I want to host a reunion, something. I need a little Jill Zarin. We just had Spencer Pratt, and he was saying the same thing about The Hill season two. It's like nobody's really interacting. They're not. It's like it's this force. The Hills are back?

Exactly. I didn't even know it. Well, exactly. That was his point. And like he kind of really came in and brought up. It's like the cast doesn't interact. They don't really. Outside the show. Yeah. It's just this force thing. in and brought up. It's like the cast doesn't interact. They don't really. Outside the show.

Yeah. It's just this forced thing. They're famous already. It's like people love seeing this success and then building and growing, which is why everyone liked Bethany. I'll tell you why this season didn't work. It's not because of COVID or the age, in my opinion. There were no men.

You got to have male energy in these shows. Oh, you said that on Juicy Scoop. That's so true. That's why Jersey fucking crushes AQ. Yes. Everyone loves the husband. And so does Atlanta. Joe Borga yes everyone loves the husband and so does Atlanta Joe Borga is a housewife

and so does Atlanta yes they always had men Potomac has the men in it yeah Sean the good ones have men all I mean that's why you're right

Beverly Hills has the men in it not one boyfriend showed up not one boyfriend not one husband well listen you can see why these guys sometimes get eaten alive I know but you know what I mean

but why would you cast someone who's not married and has no kids? But I think the family component. In New Jersey, everyone loved the Manzos and the Gorgas and their families and the realness behind it. The reason why I think people remember me the most and they don't even realize it is because I was not a person. I was a unit. I had Allie and I had my husband and I had my father, my mother.

I had Lisa, my sister. I had your dog. Don. We had your dog. Don't forget about the dog. So I was like, it was Jill and Posse. With these girls, the posses don't want to come in. And it's all about the money. You felt like you were following a life and not a character. Well, I did the show and I always said this.

I'm not doing it for the money. If I was doing it for the money, I wouldn't be doing it. I said, I'm doing it because I like it. And if I don't like doing it, I won't do it anymore. And that's ultimately what happened. That's one of the, you know, why did you stop liking it? That's too long a conversation to be honest, but it was just, I think I was changing not in a good way. Maybe it went to my head a little bit. According to my family, he said I was changing and it was going to my head and I needed to get grounded. And I had a lot of anxiety

with the show that summer. They wouldn't tell us if we were coming back or not. And that gave me enormous anxiety. Like I needed to know, what am I doing in the fall? Am I on it? Am I off? Am I traveling? You know, that anxiety is what ultimately led to my demise because I quit on an email and then I got fired. You seem like a very self-aware person, though, to even be able to acknowledge that. But it took 10 years to get there, to understand it. I mean, but that's pretty amazing that you to acknowledge that that was- But it took 10 years to get there, to understand it. I mean, but that's pretty amazing that you can acknowledge that and say that. Well, it's true. I realize that a lot of things in my life have been caused because of my anxiety. And I'm trying to, I take medicine now, which I didn't take before.

And it's definitely better. But it's funny, like I ran out of medicine last week and Allison right away clocked in. It was bad. I was off my- I was like, mom, you need to- I ran out of- Realize what Allison right away clocked in. It was bad. I was off my. I was like mom you need to. I ran out. Realize what's happening right now because something's off like this is not normal. And I knew what was off. She didn't know what was going on. I knew that I hadn't taken my medicine. Do you just like like talk a lot? Are you tired? Like what do you feel? The energy changes everything. Yeah. But I imagine like excuse my language that's

got to be a little bit of a mind fuck because you're sitting there and you're doing this show and you know you got to kind of bring in. There's other people trying to bring it. And then you're like, am I going to be able to keep coming back? And if you don't bring it, but some of the stuff maybe you don't want to do. It's a real mind fuck. And planning your life. Like she had me. I was a freshman in college and I wanted to, let's say, go to New Year's somewhere. She's like, well, I can't plan a trip. I can't plan Thanksgiving. I have to wait for them.

The anxiety was killing me. Yeah. Killing me. So now if they asked you back right now, would you say no because of the anxiety? I want to be a friend. I've said that. I would love to be a friend to come on, do a little bit and leave.

And we tried to do that last year with the Halloween scene. And I came on because Tinsley had left. So I think some of the people who produced the show thought that I could be a shoo-in to come back and finish the season, which in a weird way, I was kind of open to, but not as a housewife just to come in. So Luann called me. She was all excited. She says, I want you to come to Dorinda's house next week. But they wanted me to bring up something that happened many years ago with that girl, Elise, who was on the show. Do you remember Elise Slane

was on the show for a season? I don't even remember. It was last year. She had a fight with Ramona. Ramona's friend, and she was fighting with Ramona. Oh, yes, yes, yes. With the bangs. So I had an issue with her 10 years ago, which was that she didn't pay Bobby's company for goods that she bought, like $100,000. Yeah. And I don't have the proof of it anymore. I don't have the emails anymore. Am I, and to be fair, I don't have the best memory. You know, it's not perfect. And nor is hers and nor, and she did. So anyway, they wanted me to confront her about it because evidently the girls had talked about it in scene

because I had told Luann about it when I found out Lisa's on the show. I'm like, how could you be on the show? She has all these skeletons in her closet. I couldn't believe it. So Luann used that on the show, which I didn't know, and told the girls everything I had told her. And so they wanted me in the scene to confront Elise. So I go up to Elise and I said to her, listen, you know, it's something that's been bothering me a really long time. And I want to talk about it. And it's

about the money that you owed Bobby. And her memory was that this third party, this guy who was on the show in the beginning, I don't want to mention his name, that it was his fault that some things had happened. And I couldn't really deny that because this guy was a bad guy. He had stolen money from me. He had done things to me. So now I can't really... But that scene would have only hurt both of them.

It wouldn't have really helped you with anything. Like this wasn't a beneficial... No, no, I wasn't going to go down to the mat on it because I couldn't, I wasn't a housewife. I don't have a platform to have an interview. I wasn't going to get to say my side of the story. She was a friend of the show. I wasn't.

So if I went down to the mat with her, how was I going to, you know, how was I going to resolve it? So we just talked about it a few minutes and then we just said, you know what? Just leave it in the past. And that was it. Do you think you could actually be,

didn't Luann go off and be a friend and now she, then she came back? By the way, the year she went off to be a friend, she made it. Do you think you could actually be a friend? Didn't Luann go off and be a friend and then she came back? By the way, the year she went off to be a friend, she made more money that season than if she wasn't a friend because they were paying per episode. Can you tell us how much money you made for a season? Well, I think it's public now.

I made $7,500 total the first season. Shut the fuck up. No. Six months of filming. It cost me about $30,000. Wait, but you talked about on Juicy Scoop something about the Kodak story. You have to tell Michael the Kodak. Oh, that cost me $300,000. It, but you talked about on Juicy Scoop something about the Kodak story. You have to tell Michael the Kodak.

Oh, that cost me $300,000. It's $7,500 for a season of filming. And those episodes still air today. Yeah. It's crazy. And Allison didn't get paid. Bobby didn't get paid. But you know what?

I'd do it over again. But that was kind of like, everybody was kind of in that same boat back then with reality TV, right? I would do it over again because look what it gave me. It gave me a lifetime of, you know, That's true.

fame and, I don't want to say fortune, but an opportunity. Yeah, the other way of looking at it is you could have just not done it and not made any of it. Well, it's like a free infomercial.

Yeah. You know, Zarin Fabrics, fabric, fabric, fabric. I mean, who didn't know that? So, it was worth it. So, I'm not complaining about it, but yeah, it would have been nice.

People think we get residuals. We don't. Back to talk about professional counseling done securely online. I have gotten so much feedback about BetterHelp. It's kind of insane. I have been talking about it on the podcast for a while. And basically, it's not a crisis line. It's not a self-help line. It's like I said, professional counseling. You can do it online and you can connect in a safe private online environment. It is so convenient. There is nothing more annoying than having to get in the car, go into a therapy appointment, check in, sit in the waiting room, twiddle your fucking bums, and then go in and talk to a therapist. It's like such a time waste, I feel, when you can just do it

from the comfort of your own home. I think especially with the last year that we've all had, it's very important to check in with yourself. I think of this as self-care. So they have all different kinds of licensed professional counselors. So think depression, stress, anxiety, relationships, sleeping, trauma, anger, so much more. I am a big fan of therapy. I have done it a lot for grief. And I think that it does work, especially if you find the right counselor. So definitely check them out. Their services are available for clients worldwide. Anything you share is confidential. It's convenient, professional, affordable, all the things. I want you to start living a happier life today.

And as a listener, you'll get 10% off your first month by visiting our sponsor at betterhelp.com slash skinny. Join over 1 million people who have taken charge of their mental health. Again, that's betterhelp.com slash skinny. Do the housewives get paid way more now? Way more. The ones that bring it, or are they all like the same? I think everybody gets a different. I don't think there's a favorite nations anymore. Like when we first started, we all made the same, you know, but I'm sure after four or five, after I left that, that's probably when it all changed because Ramona was still on. She's been on, she was on the longest every season for New York where Luann stepped down one season as a friend might've cost her in the steps.

I think Ramona is the longest housewife that's been on TV. Well now. Are you and Ramona still friends? We are the same. We were when we started, frenemies. So like if you run into her at a party right now, you guys would talk. It's 50-50. Oh, sometimes no. Either it'll be a fake, phony hug, kiss, and love.

And by the way, I would like to have that relationship with her. Or it's, you know, she pretends she doesn't see me and I pretend I don't see her. We just miss each other. It really depends. But you know, I've grown to love her in some strange ways. It's really crazy.

She's quirky. I get her more now. I do. Well, you guys kind of have like this shared experience. Things that I thought she did deliberately to hurt you, I don't think she really

does deliberately. I think that's just who she is. I think her maybe intention sometimes is in the right place. She's not intentionally trying to be me. Well, this is the thing though.

Everybody calls her the apologizer, but the only one she never apologized to was me. She owes me apologies. I think that's because you guys are such good friends. Hold, this is the thing, though. Everybody calls her the apologizer, but the only one she never apologized to was me. She owes me apologies. But I think that's because you guys are such good friends. Hold on, but those apologies are interesting. I know, but I'll take anything at this point.

But, you know, there were opportunities for me to do appearances on the show in the past, and I understand that she was a block for me. I've been told, yeah. And that's just her insecurity, really. That's so funny because I would love, I feel like there's more power in numbers and you two together are so amazing.

Yeah. But anyway, I only wish, really, I only wish her the best. I do. And I really mean that. How, I feel like you're the perfect person to answer this. And Allie, I would love to know your answer as well. How has New York City changed as a city since the

Housewives to now? Since then or since COVID? There's no one that knows New York City. Tell us about the evolution of New York City since the show. And now here it is today. Well, first thing is that the charity events and things that I went to when she when we first did the show, you know, with COVID. What charity events? I mean, there was a whole social scene, you know, where you would be buying clothes now. Fashion week is right now. I'm like, who cares?

If it was 10 years ago, I'd be like, do I have tickets to go to fashion week? What shows did I get invited to? What day are you going? It was a thing. Are you going? By the way, I'm going to a show on Thursday. But season one of the Housewives.

I got invited. Season one was Bryant Park, Fashion Week, the stairs. And forget COVID. Front row, front row. Do you have the front row? Right. It totally changed, and they separated up across the city, and now it's like presentations and people like—

Is it Alexander Wayne? Nobody cares. Somebody doesn't even care about Fashion Week. They just do whatever they want to do it. What else? What about the restaurants, the club scene, the bar scene, the social scene besides charity and fashion shows? I think Instagram and like social media changed all that in a really big way

because now you'll hear things or discover things that you never would have otherwise. Like before it was like, where are the celebrities going? Like Butter or Budokan, like all the celebrities hotspots. And now it's like whatever you see on, you know, TikTok is hot or whatever it is. What is you guys' social situation right now? Like, tell us a week in a life. What are you talking about? Last night I went to Casa Cipriani.

That was the first time you've left the house. Oh, there's a place to go before you leave. So Cipriani, Cipriani. We're going there tonight. Which one? We're literally going there tonight. Which one? The one downtown?

The club. No, probably not the right one. There's a new club, private club that opened up and last night was the first night's dinner. No, it's not that one. It's the one, I think it's the one by-

Soho? No, it's the one by the plaza. It's the one by the plaza just because we're leaving. It's closed. Chibriani closed up by the plaza. Oh, maybe it's the other one. Maybe it's not that one.

You better make sure, could you imagine if you took a taxi up to the plaza and found that it's the wrong one? No, I'll find that one. I'm going to look right now. Totally. Because you know where the Plaza is.

That's what I would do if I thought it was a… And I only found out they closed yesterday. By the way, don't fuck with their avocado corn tomato salad. There's nothing better. I need to recreate that at home. Go on. So Chip Riondi just… The one on 42nd.

Is that any good right now? Chip Riondi, 42nd Street is not a restaurant. It's an event space. I don't know where this is. They have a little restaurant inside of it. No, they don't. Yeah, they do. Who knows?

They have a little restaurant inside. Where? Across from Grand Central. I'm going to text you and we're going to be like standing outside. They do. They do. Maybe that's new because it used to be an event space. Okay.

But if you can go to the members club, go to the members club. It's called Casa Cipriani. It's all the way down the FDR Drive. It's on the water facing the Statue of Liberty. It's above the ferry. And it's a hotel event space. And the most beautiful, it looks like a ship when you get out.

And there's an outside space literally on the water. It's magnificent. Magnificent. It's called Casa Cipriani. Is it the same menu? The menu is so good. There's a few different restaurants. There are different Casa Chabani. Is it the same menu? The menu is so good. There's a few different restaurants. There are different menus in each.

Is it like the Bellini and everything? Yeah. Yeah. It's everything you dreamed of more. You know what I'm really pissed off about? I was going to tell you this off air, but I might as well just say it. The Polo Ralph Lauren restaurant

with the green fried olives closed. What? I did. Yeah, they say it's only for private events now. Oh, because of COVID. It'll open again. You think? A hundred percent.

That's such a bummer. It was really hot. We love the restaurant. What else do you guys love here? Tell us, like, if someone's listening and they want to come to New York, give us a couple of tips and tricks.

Well, I only go to Soho House. You like Soho House? Okay. They just opened one in Austin. It's pretty good. Well, she loves the East Village in the village. I mean, anything in the West Village,

East Village, it's really nice to walk around because it's so warm. What about specifics? Like, specifics. Is there restaurants that, like, Italian? American Bar is really hot.

Oh, Avra. Avra. Big scene. Cute. Do you know it? Well, we have it in LA, but I don't know if it's the same one. Probably the same one.

It's really good food. It's the best. It's Greek. And it's a scene. That's where all of my friends and whatever, that's where they go there. And they go to Bibloque. If you want to see some Housewives, go to Bibloque in Alvarez. God, I'm so happy that you both approve of our New York choices.

You got Bibloque on your list? Okay. All right. You're good. Get the Cajun chicken. The Cajun chicken. It's only Cajun. What if I don't like chicken? What else? Anything. The food's great. Okay. All right. You're good. Get the Cajun chicken. The Cajun chicken. What else? Anything. The food's great. Okay. I would love to bring your bank book. I'll bring my husband.

I would love to know before we go what a day in the life looks like for both of you with your business, your morning routine. If you have one at your nighttime routine, beauty, skin, like just give us a little day in the life for each of you. Okay. For me, I make a list in the morning. Even if I don't write it down, it's in my head. Even if I don't write it down, I think I have it in my head. But that would be advice is make a list in the morning. In fact, Gary showed me his list on his phone today because I'm into lists these days. We look at our list of meetings for the day. We do a lot of phone calls and a lot of Zooms. Allie? Keep going. I'll go after. All right. Skincare and stuff. I always wash my face in the morning and away myself. I'm on a new diet. I'm on the fasting diet where you eat for eight hours and fast for 16. I do it like two days and then I have to break

it. It's terrible. I have to break it tonight because Jay's coming over tonight to teach me how to cook food for the Jewish holidays. Everyone knows I love to cook. I keep saying it's intermittent fasting. She doesn't remember. I can't remember the name. I just called her. She thinks she made it up. I think I made it up. She's like, I'm on the fasting diet out there.

And then as she was eating, I was like, wait, how does she… Because the fasting diet is like you fast the whole day. No, no, no. You fast like 5 o'clock intermittent fasting.

I was wondering. I was like, okay, what do you mean? No, no. It's 5 p.m. until like 10 a.m. You know, we've had Jillian… So I'm a big fan of intermittent fasting. We've had Jillian Michaels on. You know, I call her… Does it work? I haven't lost much weight AM. You know, we've had Jillian. So I'm a big fan of intermittent fasting. We've had Jillian Michaels on, you know, Icon.

Does it work? Well, yes. I haven't lost much weight yet. And listen, people might eat me up for this, but they say that the way men and women evolved in the past, men would go out and hunt and women would sometimes force. So what Jillian was saying is that women may not have evolved to do the 16 hour fast and maybe like 14 is better

and more manageable with the same results. Oh, could I get two more hours to eat? You know what though? I have to say something about diets. to do the 16 hour fast and maybe like 14 is better and more manageable with the same results. Oh, could I get too much of those teeth? You know what though? I have to say something about diets. It's also confusing because it's also contradictory.

Every, like, this person says this and this, it's too much content. It reminds me of the news and media. Well, I like the idea that I can really eat

whatever I want. And I had a Levan cookie, not the whole thing, but I ate some of it because supposedly as long as I eat within those eight hours as my body's, you know, shut down, it should be burning fat. You've got to come back on the podcast and tell us if it works. Tell us about these cookies. Oh, Levan bakery. I found them in the Hamptons. I didn't even know

they're in the city. And we went to this place today to look for, we're looking for a pop-up shop for the holidays for Jill and Allie, where we can sell our crystal candles and our masks and our bags and our clothes. Oh, wait, one more thing I wanted to say. We have an accessories line coming out exclusively for Saks off Fifth Avenue and all stores. You are going to die. Everything for gifting. Not tie-dye.

You guys have been doing a lot. Ombre packaging, the most gorgeous packaging for the holidays. You don't even need gift wrapping paper. I mean, you will, but it is – when you open – if I got this gift, I'd be like overwhelmed and our prices are ridiculous. We're going to have those, you know, those are trays that are lucite and like gray Malin has one, but it's $365, $365. And then even other ones, they sell for like 175, 250. Ours will be under a hundred dollars and just as nice. If you had to pick one product from your line that people should start with, what would it be? Face mask. Okay. I'm

going to say that the olive face mask and the black one, that's a little pack. It's the three ply adjustable. Yeah. That's the one that I would start with because you give the olive to your husband. It's kind of sexy. It is. It's not an army vibe. Michael's wearing it. And then I like the black one that's plain. And why I personally like these face masks is I notice when I wear the disposable ones two things. I notice that I get acne and it rubs my makeup off. Yep. And I also notice that those tiny fibers are going in my throat.

So I'm a huge fan of disposable masks. But there's another thing I just learned today, which I'm going to let you guys take it away about the fish. About the fish? Oh, why do you should be using a reusable mask? I have to tell you, you know, I'm not the perfect person when it comes to separating my, you know, garbage and all that stuff and recycling. But I have to, but I try, but I have to say what's going on in the ocean is, you know, it's going to affect, it's going to, there's going to be a come to Jesus moment. When you see the billions of blue masks that are not disintegrating and the plastic straps are literally choking the fish, just like, remember they had a whole thing about the

soda cans, the plastic. Well, it's about the same size opening. And so every time I have a six pack of anything, I always cut the plastic so that it can't catch the neck of an animal. So if you are wearing those blue masks, at least cut the elastic when you're done with it so that nobody dies. No animal can die from it. That is a really, really, really good tip. But it's true. And ours you can wash and wear like as many times. Oh yeah, five of ours

is like reusable. Reusable. The reusable masks. And then I have to say one other thing and then we'll do a giveaway and a code. I really, really like,

and I said it earlier, the Visiting Day Windbreaker. It is such a cute shade of teal with the white. I feel like if you wore it over leggings or bike shorts, it's absolutely adorable. And the neckline's right.

You guys gifted me a bunch of stuff. It fits amazing. That's my favorite thing that you guys gifted me. Well, by the time this airs… Wait till you see our hat. By the time this airs, we'll have a Bravo collection.

Scary, scary island. Scary island. Surprise. Team Jill. Team Dorinda. Team everybody. We're going to have like a baby onesie, Real Housewife in training.

Plaza will wear it. But just like to go more with our day though, like it's, we work so close together and we were packing and shipping out of our house for a year and a half. And now we have a warehouse. You guys are so entrepreneurial together. We had to learn how to Shopify everything.

I'm making candles. I learned how to make candles. We have the candle wax melter. We buy the pellets. We melt it down to like 180 degrees. Then you have to cool it. And then you pour it. You have no idea.

And then you take the little sticky thing. You put it in the bottom. You put the wick. I'm doing all these videos that will come out when the candles launch. I mean, I had a tie dye like 20 minutes. So we are hand-making candles. I had a tie dye like 100,000 masks. You guys, I feel like we're going to come back to New York in a year

and interview you again. And you're going to have an even bigger warehouse. Oh, and one more thing, which we didn't talk about, is Jill Zarin rugs. That is my… Jill Zarin rugs. Pimp out Jill Zarin rugs. Jill Zarin rugs is it. You know what?

I'm actually in the market for a rug. Do you have an outdoor patio? Yes. We do. We need our rugs. Pick out whatever you want. Anything you want. Is it like…

What's the vibe? Is it like nudes, whites, colors? Oh, no. We have navy. We have yellow. at anything you want. Is it like, what's the vibe? Is it like nudes, whites, like colors? Oh no, we have navy, we have yellow, we have brick red, olive, black,

gray, tan. And all the housewives have them in their backyards. Oh, Lisa Rinna this week on Housewives of Beverly Hills in her backyard,

she had a brick one and that was our rug. And Ramona has our rugs, they all have our rugs. So Lisa Rinna was wearing her duster sitting on your rug. Yes. Yes. That is major. I love it. I love that all the housewives have your rugs. So if you follow Jill Zarin home, you'll see all those pictures or Jill and Allie

on Instagram. I love the entrepreneurial spirit, mother and daughter. I'm so proud of my daughter. I mean, I thought she was going to be an art dealer by now and now she's working with me. That's an artistic outlet. The pandemic, you know, changed everything. And this was never the plan, but you have to be flexible. And she likes being her own boss. Yeah. Yeah, you guys are going to do really well with this. I'm so excited to watch it.

Let's do a giveaway. Can we give away the windbreaker that I'm obsessed with? Yeah, of course. And the mask set? Yeah. Okay, and a cell phone charm? Yeah. Okay, so guys, the windbreaker. And a hat.

We'll throw in a hat too. Okay, you get a hat, a windbreaker. You get the cell phone charm. You get the olive mass that contours your cheekbones that is not killing fish. All you have to do is follow at Jill and Allie. Pimp your Instagram so they can spell it out. How do you spell it? At shop J I L L and a L L Y. Follow shop at Jill and Allie. And then tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest Instagram at Lauren Bostic. And why don't you guys give a code

before you go and pimp each other out? The code is TSC15, 15% off. We can do it on JillandAllie.com and Jillzaron.com. And Jill, so the rugs also. Yeah.

And I have furniture. You don't even know I have a furniture line coming out. Breakdown furniture. Like the Ikea stuff. So affordable. Such great quality. And you have to put it together yourself,

which I'm going to do a lot of fun videos doing. You're busy. And her Instagram is Mrs. Jill Zarin. I'm Mrs. Jill Zarin. I'm out at Ali Shapiro. We're all over. You guys are adorable. Come back anytime you want.

We're just whores. That's what we are. I love it. You guys are so cool. Like you just pimp yourself out. And we love all of your guys are adorable come back anytime you want we're just of course I love it you guys are so cool like you just pimp yourself out and we love all of your stuff thank you

your ice roller oh my god it's in the refrigerator I'm like what the fuck is this and Allie's explaining I'm like it's unbelievable hold on I gotta film

an Instagram story so keep going just keep going about the ice roller I love that fucking ice roller it's been in our fridge it feels so good

it's been in our fridge for six months. She does not understand what it is. I'm trying to explain that. It's not a dildo. I did use a dildo and actually as a prototype that said I wanted it to feel like a big giant dildo. I kind of like that. Yeah, I guess you could use it as one.

The ice dildo. Oh, beautiful. The ice dildo for your face. I kind of like that. You guys are amazing. Thank you for coming on. Thank you both. Do you want to win a goodie bag from Jill and Ali?

You're going to love the sweater that I love. It's like this teal windbreaker. It's so cute. All you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest Instagram at Lauren Bostic. And make sure you're following at Jill and Ali on Instagram. And as always, make sure you've rated and reviewed the podcast on iTunes. We'll see you on Thursday.