The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - RHONY Brynn Whitfield On Dating Do's & Dont's, How To Seduce, & Relationship Non-Negotiables

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

#622: Today, we're sitting down with Brynn Whitfield, one of the newest housewives of Real Housewives of New York City, known for her outspoken and glamorous lifestyle. Today, Brynn joins us to discuss all things dating: from how to create boundaries and make a man fall in love, to how to embrace singleness and why you should never settle for a romantic partner. She also gives us the scoop on the RHONYC reboot and dives into all things new cast members, new storylines, and how to be your most authentic self on reality TV. To connect with Brynn Whitfield click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To subscribe to our YouTube Page click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential The Skinny Confidential is now at Nordstrom !! Shop all products online HERE or grab the Hot Mess Ice Roller or Pink Balls in store at any of the Nordstrom locations across the US.  This episode is brought to you by WeightWatchers WeightWatchers is the #1 doctor recommended weight-management program and the trusted authority in evidence-based weight-health. Visit ww.com/tsc to see if you qualify, and if you do, use code TSC25 to get one free month plus $25 off your second month. This episode is brought to you by Zbiotics ZBiotics Pre-Alcohol Probiotic Drink is the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. Go to ZBiotics.com/SKINNY to get 15% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by ProLon Nourish your body without the hunger by ordering the ProLon Fasting Shake today. Go to ProLonLife.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY at checkout for 15% off your order. This episode is brought to you by Galderma Restylane Visit aspirerewards.com to receive $20 off when you join ASPIRE Galderma rewards today. Offer terms and conditions apply This episode is brought to you by Quince Get affordable luxury with Quince. Go to Quince.com/skinny to get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order. Produced by Dear Media

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Aha! I've always been like a sharer and whether it be like at work or with friends or something like that of sharing like my story, what happened to me. Because I went through years of being ashamed of it. And then it was like late 20s. Everything from my childhood, my upbringing, my socioeconomic status, my race. And then all of a sudden in my late 20s something hit or clicked and I was like, I realized that people would like me for it. And I liked myself and I wasn't ashamed of it. And it was like this huge mental shift for me. So I went into this thinking like, I've been doing this for like 10 years, I think just being proud and being unashamed and sharing. So I knew it would like work. They're either going to love me or hate me like real life.

Sounds cliche, but you have to be yourself. My God, are you going to love this episode with Brynn Whitfield or what? She is one of the hottest new housewives of Real Housewives of New York City. And I reached out to her personally because she is such a firecracker and I knew I had to have her on the show. I actually didn't really want to pick her brain about the gossip. I was more interested in how she thinks about dating. So we really get into it from how to create boundaries to make a man or a woman fall in love with you, how to embrace singleness, and why you should never settle for romantic partners. I felt like she was very much on the same wavelength of how I feel when it comes to love, dating, men, all the things. We were driving.

I think you're going to love this episode because it feels very comfortable. It's like Brynn Michael and I are having cocktails. We talk about how to know if a man is into you. We talk about non-negotiables for love, how to get and keep a man. We talk about how to take it slow in dating and how to approach dating as an adult. This episode is as real as they come. On that note, let's welcome the outspoken, the glamorous, and the sexy Brynn Whitfield to the Him and Her Show. This is the skinny confidential Him and Her. I know I want to have kids for sure.

I want to have children. But do I want to get married? Or is that just the thing that I always thought growing up in conservative in Indiana, like I must do and it's important? But sometimes I think I'd be okay like being more like Oprah or Jananistan

of just being like if I wasn't with Michael I 100% would be single yeah I've just set the bar so high that it's no it's like

a comfortable shoe yeah you look like Christian I know did people say this I just saw it you know though

he played Dick Cheney so it depends which version. Okay perfect. He wants to get that on air so I want to make sure. No no it depends which version. You know he played the machinist that one's not so great.

Yeah. You look like him when he's super hot and American Psycho and his white crisp shirt. And he's like holding when he's holding like a cat by the ATM.

Yeah. How have you not ever been that for Halloween? I feel it's like a, maybe like kind of like a little bit too on the nose, a little bit arrogant to play that. Why? To dress up like that. So you think you look like Christian Bale?

No, because I just feel like, I don't know. Don't you think that's a little strange? Like, yeah, it's a little bit like, yeah, a little weird. Okay. Brynn, so excited to have you here. You are the standout star of Real Housewives of New York.

Is it like the new and improved version? What's the right word to call it? For the reboot? I'm kind of sick of calling it the reboot. I think it just is. I think it's just now Roni. I think we had to always say we were the reboot, but now I'm confident saying just Roni.

And I was on a show last week where someone, it was a sports show, oddly enough, and I don't know anything about sports. I was like, I've dated a lot of athletes. I actually know nothing about sports. But someone said we're like the Bills. Is that like,

because like they were down for a while and now we're kind of like the Buffalo Bills. Sporting reference? We know Christian, Bateman. I don't know. CB.

I don't follow sports as much as I should anymore. I got, you know. So you're like the Bills. We're like the Buffalo Bills, I guess. I think it kind of feels like an underdog story too because I think there was so much, like I'm proud of what we've achieved,

but we were up against a lot. It wasn't just a new show. It was like we had to make sure we didn't bomb, right? In general, and any show can bomb. Then we had the level, the standards that were set and the old fans that like were holding us to a certain, you know, like that we need to do justice to the show. And then just on our own, we need to do something fresh. So I feel like we were up against a lot. I think now having now that it's over, finale aired, et cetera,

it's like such a relief because I don't think I realized how stressed out about about it I was when you're casting for this did you just walk in and get it because you're very like I could see there's an essence about you I can see why they cast you right away was it one of those things that you knew like you got it so I'm a little bit one of those manifestors and I remember thinking if I do this I'm gonna get it did you set out to go and do it or reach out I they they had reached out to me and then when I started they reach out they had reached out to me and then when I started doing it I remember thinking

there's something have you ever felt that it feels like magically you're like this is going to work out does that 100% yeah yeah

Joe Dispenza baby I kind of yes I love him I really love him you can hack your whole I mean yes so yeah I kind of knew

I was like if I keep doing this if I interview I know they're going to I didn't know if I would do it I was like I know they're going to offer it to me I've gone that way with jobs as well I'm like I if I keep doing this, if I interview, I know they're going to, I didn't know if I would do it. I was like, I know they're going to offer it to me. I've gone that way with jobs as well. I'm like, I got this, I got this.

I didn't have any insecurities. So, and also while I was doing it, I was so detached. I just kept thinking this is going to be a very funny story to tell people like, oh my God, you know, I went through the casting for that. It was like, it's another funny story that I can say I did. And then when they gave it to me, I was, I was shocked. And then I just thought like,

okay, like fuck it, just do it, you know? Are you, when you get something like this and to me, this is one of the most popular franchises, are you freaking out as you go back on your life or are you like, I don't fucking care, like lay it all on the table? Yeah. I mean, you mean as far as like sharing?

Yeah. For sharing, no. For sharing, I'm just like laid out on the table I've always been like a sharer and whether it be like at work or with friends or something like that of sharing like my story what happened to me because I went through years of being ashamed of it and then it was like late 20s that I finally everything from my childhood my upbringing my socioeconomic status my race and then all of a sudden, my late 20s, something hit or clicked. And I was like, I realized that it's what made me, that people would like me for it. And I liked myself and I wasn't ashamed of it. And it was

like this huge mental shift for me. So I went into this thinking like, I've been doing this for like 10 years, I think just being proud and being unashamed and sharing. So I knew it would like work. And also I watch reality TV. I can tell when people are trying to be fake, like on The Bachelorette or something. Viewers are smart. We're not, they're not just like dummies watching and, you know, entertain us. Like they can see right through it.

So I was like, I don't have a choice. They're either going to love me or hate me like real life. But you do like, sounds cliche, but you have to be yourself like there's no hiding did was the response from you opening up on the show out of control it was out of control I can I can imagine in a positive way in a positive way it was not overly I mean say like 97 percent of comments and dms and things especially after the Britain's Giving episode everything was like I had people even just literally this morning they're sending me like thank you so much for opening up and vulnerability someone was saying about breaking generational curses and taking your trauma and understanding that you can still be a

competent person and everything from like people about the race aspect and sharing i've had people a woman had messaged me and said again something totally different she had lost her child and she was like when the part where you're talking about, like you choose happiness every day, she's like, that resonated with me. I lost my daughter. I'm like, come on, you know, but it just was, it's not me. It just proves that like when, whatever your thing is, if you share it, it's gonna connect with other people and about their thing for, and they're going to feel better about it. Right. It doesn't have to be apples to apples. Like, I was neglected as a child,

so therefore you relate to me because you were too. What I have this, maybe it's Joe Dispenza or Abraham Hicks, I think we're all actually going through the same thing. Like, I think we're all going through the same life experience. So like, as much as pain I felt, you both have felt it too. Everyone has felt it. And that's where we get where we don't start to hate one another or we're like, you don't get,

you don't understand me. We all actually, I think, have gone through the same thing and the same pain, the same happiness. It's just about like, can you acknowledge that in someone else and not try to make yours more or think about theirs less?

Do you remember a moment when you were going through everything you went through and you thought, I'm going to not play the victim here. I'm going to use this to fuel me. Can you remember an epiphany? I think about the money stuff. I was always raised where it was very point blank. I was like, we don't have money, but that's not going to stop you. There's always ways to do it. And my grandmother taught me by example when she went into our Catholic private school and begged the priest and the principal to give us tuition for a fraction of what it actually cost. And we

got it. And so I always saw that as like, no matter if someone, no one tells you, no, you can't do because you can't afford it. If you're a good person, you want to do it. You can do anything you want. There's always a way when there's a will, there's a way. So that I learned from her. I think a moment where I was like, let's share. I don't know. Like maybe I have no idea. You just have a really good attitude. Like you said, you choose happiness around everything you've been through. And it's refreshing.

And it's just there's no victim mentality when you could have easily like fallen into that. And I just wonder if there is a practice behind it that you do every single day. No, I, I try when I'm on my best behavior, I do the meditation thing in the morning. I try to be present. I like that. Uh, it's not a religious book, but it's called course and miracles. I don't know if you ever heard of it. I try to read that. It's a prayer. Yeah. But it's like, there's a lesson each day and it's like, everything you see is not real. Like I, I drink. Look, I lived in Venice, California for two years. Right.

I became the yoga teacher. I drank the Kool-Aid. I did the whole Abraham Hicks. I did Joe Dispenza. I did name someone that Eckhart Tolle. I did that for a while. I'm I really learned like all of that stuff, essentially, for lack of a better word. So I became I brought all that back with me to New

York. Do I follow it every day? No. And that's another trick too. You can't, you're not going to be some guru every day. And anyone who claims that they are and they figured it out, that's the second that life's going to turn, like chew you up again and spit you out, you know? So it's just, I don't know. I just think it's just all a cycle of like pain and happiness. And you just, I think the reasons why I'm so happy is because I have experienced that pain. Yeah. You know, like it's the law of contrast. Yeah. It's the law of dynamics for every action. There's aggression. People say to me, you're so happy. I'm like, I've cried on my bathroom floor one night. Like, don't even start with me about like pain, you know, like, so yes,

I'm happy a lot, but it's only because I've felt the, I'm sure is. And I think a lot of people have the worst that you could ever feel in your life. You know, we were talking a little bit about books before this, which I'll stick around to, but I doing this show and talking to so many people over the years, you realize that an individual's worst experience is their worst experience. And, you know, maybe somebody loses a job and that's the worst thing that happens to them. Or somebody loses a parent and that's the worst. But trying to compare the two things and say, my pain is worse than your pain, it doesn't

correlate. It doesn't work. Yeah. I think that one of the worst things someone can say, I don't like when people say they start out, they're trying to share with someone or they're upset. And they say, you don't understand or you don't understand. That's the worst thing that you can say to someone. I think people can understand. And I think that, yeah, and the only way out is to

relate. But I know for a fact, we've all been through the same thing. I don't know. That's my belief. Yeah. No, I think people, it just, like I said, the worst thing that happens to you is the worst thing that happens to you until something worse happens to you. So people trying to compare, like if your experience, quote unquote, on paper is worse than mine, it doesn't negate that maybe in my worst experience, I felt the same way that you felt in your worst experience. Does that make sense?

Yeah. Whenever friends try to say like, I know, especially two people that approach me now, you know, on the street, they're saying, oh, thank you for sharing. Like mine's not as whatever. I stop them and say, no, no, no. Yes, it is. Like, cause it is.

This isn't a contest of trauma. And I think that's the first thing. You relate because you have felt the same way. If you've never felt that way when you watched me share that, that means you get it because you have felt that. Neville Goddard, another one. Everyone is you turned out. Everyone is a mirror.

So I tell people, oh, we're so moved. Thank you sharing i'm like you're just seeing yourself you're seeing yourself you're seeing your own vulnerability i'm great i'm not that like special you you're seeing yourself and your own vulnerability and your own fears and your own strength and that's why people are relating to me like it's why i like to read history a lot because i feel like you read about not that i'm voyeuristic this but you read about these tragedies that people have gone through. And I feel like that's the contrast that you compare your life to. I think it's a shame that people don't read more history because they go through life thinking that their experience is the worst experience that's happened in this world. And you realize there's some really atrocious shit that's happened to people

throughout the history of time. And being able to compare and say, okay, I lost my job or whatever's happened, someone broke up with me, or you don't have a lot of money. Maybe that's not so bad. There's things that have happened throughout the history of time that are so much worse. And so having that contrast is important. Totally. 100%. You mentioned you learned a lesson from your grandma about going and asking for it. What are some other things that you learned from your grandma that you apply every single day? I know you had a really close relationship. Yeah. She'd always tell me no one is better than you. Like no one is better than you. And then I, she'd let that sink in for a second and then she'd follow up with, and you're never better

than anyone else. You know, so she was always these little, some of them were good. Some of them were not. Maybe it's to say to you can never be too rich or too thin. I'm like, grandma explains a lot. You know what I'm saying so she had some she was like betty draper you know it's like they came from a different generation of like what's appropriate she said every this is interesting and it's awkward telling it to couples oh what's what's your room stick let's not make this another therapist what's your broomstick yeah but she she had all these little sayings

and like I don't know I learned I learned so much from her like I literally that's really cute every marriage has a dirty broomstick

she said every marriage has a dirty broomstick in its closet I'm gonna find your broomstick tonight buried deep in that closet I don't know what that means I heard a rumor

that you were sought out to be on Vanderpump Rules. Is that true? It wasn't necessarily sought. There's a truth to that. It wasn't sought out. I think I was on the red carpet and I talked about it because I talked about how much I love Pandora and Lisa. And they were really, really kind to me and generous to me when I first moved to L.A. Pandora's husband is my childhood friend from Indiana. So that's how. So when I moved out to L.A., he was like, meet my girlfriend, Pandy. And I was like, hi, I don't, you know,

I'm making like no money. She's like, oh, you can live with me. Here's a Range Rover. Like they're so kind. Every night they, Lisa and Ken fed me every night at Villa Blanca because I was making $32,000 at my job at the time. It was like entry-level job.

They fed me every night. They were just so great. Ken took me, was helping me try to find a car, use Jeep. And they're like the kind, nobody knows it. And they're quiet about it. They're like quiet. They would have never, they've never told anyone that. And I'm like telling everyone, I'm like, no, you guys are generous and amazing. But when they were casting, so she was on Beverly Hills Housewives. They were cast, they were like, oh, we have a show starting. It's based on the

restaurant where Sir is where we would like hang out. And I knew all those kids prior to being on the show and like they were just fun to hang out with. So they were like, would you want to audition for the show? That would have meant that I would have to leave my little corporate job

where I was still making no money. But I was like, I'm trying to like climb the corporate ladder. I don't want to go in half. I didn't want to leave my little corporate job to start working at Sir and be on a TV show. Because I, the, the, the role was before it started, like before it became, they were casting for Sur. And I was like, I'm not going to go.

I was very proud of myself for having attended college and getting at this very prestigious PR firm. And I was like, I'm not going to, it was very snooty. I was like, I'm not going to leave. You know, I'm climbing the corporate ladder over at Edelman. I'm not going to leave to go serve as a waitress, you know, be a wait the corporate ladder over at Edelman. I'm not gonna leave to go serve as a waitress, you know, be a waitress. I'm better than that. So I totally turned my nose upon it. Went out of my way,

which Pandora loves throwing my face now, and be like, also, I would never do reality TV. It's trash. You know, and she's like, really? And I was like, times change. This is also like, this is like- This is like 15 years later. This is also iconic.

Yeah, it's fun. I mean, Real Housewives of New York is iconic. Yeah. It's like you can't turn it down. When I, the thing that gets me, like, is it strange to say, when I get these, like, oh my God, moments where I kind of freak out, like, oh my God, I'm on a TV show about New York. If I'm, like, the architecture of New York triggers it for me.

Like, I will be driving, you know, and I'll be in an Uber and coming down. I was just coming down Park and you know when you go past the Hemsley building or by the Grand Central Station or whatnot. Lauren's one of those people when we drive in the car she does not look out the window at anything. Passenger princess. You asked me where I lived in West Hollywood. And you're like, uh.

You acted like I asked you the latitude and longitude of it. She has to ask me still to this day. When you just talked about New York. about oh you know when you i've like it's called the hedge fund hotel but i think it's technically the joke is it's the hedge fund hotel but it's um it was the hems hems building or i don't know what building it is but nonetheless i'm driving through new york and i'll see like the architecture the buildings or like i was on a blade a couple weeks ago and like flying around and i'm looking at the entire island and i get I'm like I literally start crying I was like I'm on a show that represents that yeah that city

like the thing I saw growing up on Home Alone the thing I saw on Sesame Street I'm one of six women that represent that when I think of that I get very it feels like I took mushrooms I'm like whoa dude you know it does it feels like a little like Indica moment. I'm like, okay, this is weird, dude. This is weird. Because who am I to represent the whole damn city? Like, I would cast you in one second. All your kind. You're cast.

Like you're, you are like, you're the, what's that word? I'm going to say it wrong. Everyone gets mad at me. Efforescence. Oh, I have no idea. Efforescence. Efforescence. She's like the bubbles in the champagne. Ooh, just call it bubbles. Efforescence. efforescence yeah she's like the bubbles in the champagne

ooh just call him bubbles efforescence it's a word someone's gonna come and DM yeah

someone's gonna DM me how to say it because I can't pronounce anything me I can't either I probably pronounce that wrong too yeah he probably

pronounced it wrong for once on an episode he pronounced something wrong the reviews on the show are that I pronounced well if we both you should see the reviews it's like

oh my god so how do you go from being in Venice for two years to New York? What's the journey there? Why did you decide to move out here? Post-Purdue, 15 years since graduating, I've lived half my adult life in LA or half in New York. I think now it's been, now I'm on nine years in New York. I think it's been now more time in New York. Which do you prefer? New York. New York. I love LA though. I'm on nine years in New York. I think it's been now more time in New York. Which do you prefer? New York, New York. I love LA though. I don't like it when New Yorkers are like,

I would never live in LA or LA people. Like I wouldn't, I couldn't, I could never. Yes, you could. It's amazing. But I say LA is the side chick. New York's the chick you marry. New York is like classy and wonderful at the, like that's what you want.

You want to come home to that. She's a mall, a Clooney. Yeah, yeah, exactly. She's that. And it's like, and there's culture and whatever. And you're never bored. And like, that's your life partner ride or die. No, I agree. We're from California.

And I agree with you. LA is a side chick. Like, you're going to be healthier there. It's fun. There's something exciting. You're going to like start looking and feeling younger just because of sheer proximity of being next to the person or in that city.

And it's fun. But it's like, is that the one you settle down with? I don't know. I don't know. No, I don't think so't think so yeah la is the side chick what's austin austin is like it's where you go when you're when you got kids and you need to just hide out the comfortable grandma we like it because we're between because i have to bounce between what we know it's nice we get a taste of both worlds oh nice and then you go to austin and then you're in like a sanctuary yeah and you're zen yeah and you're reading a course in miracles but there you go and it's like

calms the nervous system if i had to choose though between like if i could only go to la or new york i would only come to new york and i would not go to la anymore yeah so when you come to new york do you come for a job do you come for a man why i okay so the first time first time after school to la that was for a job then to new york for a job when i moved to la for that was for a fiancee okay then i was there we broke up and then before covid i moved back to new york okay i need i want you to explain the fiance thing because I am obsessed with how many fiances you've had.

My, like, I named my daughter. Yeah. I named my daughter after Zsa Zsa Gabor and she was married eight times. Stop.

Wait. I love Zsa Zsa Gabor. Her birthday is February 6th. Mine's February 7th. I'm obsessed with Zsa Zsa. Like, have you seen her workout videos? I watch those all day long.

They don't make them like that anymore. In the pink robe with the man? Yes, it's G. She's like, darling. There's two guys in there? Yes.

She's just oiling them down and not, it's a workout video. There's like zero, it's just dudes working out and she's just like harassing them. You're giving her and she wrote a book

How to Catch a Man, How to Keep a Man how to keep keep a man and how to get rid of a man there you go okay I need to read that you have that Zsa Zsa Gabor kind of thing

this is like the biggest my head I'm not going to walk out of here my head's going to be so big I'm obsessed with her I love her I couldn't pronounce her name

so I thought her name was Zsa Zsa so for eight years I called her Zsa Zsa and Michael finally told me how to pronounce it Zsa Zsa so our daughter's name is Zaza, not Zaza. Oh my God.

So it's the wrong pronunciation. That's sweet. Because you have to spell it Z-S-A-Z-S-A too. It was causing confusion. So we just kept it Z-A-Z-A. But you remind me of that. And I want to know why you got engaged the first time. I want to know the whole roadmap of it. So each one was my in my defense and I'm going to be thirty thirty seven

now. So it's like I feel like I would just be on my third divorce had I gone on with anyone. But I love that. I love that's reality. I've changed. I've just changed so much that it kind of creeps me out. Like you do actually genetically is it not genetically, but you do biologically on some level change every 10 years. There's people that like loved country music and pizza. And then 10 years later, they like sushi and opera. Right. So you actually change. And the most supposedly the most successful marriages, if you determine success by staying together, is if you're able to do those changes together and respect them and whatnot and change. Because it make sense when people like I don't know what happened the 10-year itch no it's because you guys actually change you are different people and that's okay like people evolve and change

I always say I would have just been divorced but each one of those in my defense of the engagements each one was they proposed when we were broken up so I it's not like we were in this happy place and then we got engaged and everything whatever it was It was always, we were broken up, we were fighting, broken up, or even then, I was straight up dating someone else. But the men can't get enough of that. So is it like a- They can't get enough.

They can't handle it. You start dating someone else, you start fighting, they can't handle it, they lean in with engagement. The second, yeah, the second that they, and I always tell them, why did you have to lose me to know that I'm, you know, like, the one? They want what they can't have. They all do.

It's so easy. I tell every single girl, I don't know why he's not texting me. Ignore him. Ignore him. It's literally so easy. Ignore them. Kind of, like, treat them like shit. My grandma did say, find someone who loves you more than you love them.

A hundred percent. Why would I ever want to be married to someone I love more than them? I'm sitting, like, right over here. Yeah, it's like we've totally forgotten you're here. It's like and then Ken's If I had to write a book on how to get a guy ignore it literally, that's the book No, but that's so I've the advice I get and I'm I'm not I would say I'm not about playing games But sometimes you do have to play games I think but that's advice I give all my third How do you get all these guys whatever it's because i don't give them zero tension or anything the less that you and the second and i i've had guys ghost me

i've had guys break up with me and it was when i didn't listen to my owner and i was like and i started liking them more than they like me like hey waiting around for them the second you do that so i plan even my marriage i'm just going to always be like i'm doing me and and you just continue i still don't pick up his call yeah Yeah, exactly. Oh my God, I ignore him because I balk at him sometimes when he acts up. He is right here. You still have to ignore them all the time.

Yeah, yeah. And when they talk too much, you tune out and they want your attention more. Can you shut the fuck up? Aaron told me though because I have this theory and everyone's like,

no, no, no, but Aaron always backs me up and she's like 100%. She's like, I play games with Abel all the time. She's like, and that's why we have an amazing marriage and fuck all the time. A hundred percent.

You have to. We do. I confess. We do like the chase, right? Yes. I think if things are too easy for anybody. Yeah. In any regard.

I think people get a little bit. They get what my friend Weston calls it the ick. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. It's just too easy. It's too available on both sides.

But I think for cis hetero males, I think it's, but it's like, this is all biology. Like it's in you to chase and it's in women to be selective because we have to procreate with an individual who will protect us from the elements. Now it's just like protect us from AI. But back in the day for thousands of years,

it was just like the elements and can you protect us no people get mad when there's this book called evolutionary psychology which is like a it's like a textbook and i read it one time it's like it basically is like something they serve you in school and it was really driving but there's this one chapter which talks exactly what you're talking about which is saying through evolutionary biology women were meant to procreate and if you procreate with someone you basically had to stick with them with for nine months and beyond because you could not procreate with anyone else. And it is very controversial to say these days. No, no. But a man potentially could procreate with many women during that time. Of course. And so we're just wired differently. We're wired to be more

selective. So as I am a feminist and I'm in about sexual freedom and do whatever you want, while I promote that, I'm completely a hypocrite because I don't operate that way at all. I let people think that I operate that way. I let people think, and I'm a massive flirt, but I flirt with children. I flirt with old people. Like I flirt with everybody. I just think it's like, just, it's not so, it's not like sexual or romantic. It's more just like being playful and having fun and just seeing people and wanting to make them feel good and wanting to make them smile and laugh. But I don't. But I am very actual. Maybe it's like my Catholic guilt or something or upbringing

and mast and something else. I don't know. But I'm very much about, like, I don't know. Months go by. I want to be courted. Court me. You want it? Come and get it.

People say too about the engagements. I'm like, like yeah it's because i made dudes like propose like basically tell me their plans and their intentions with me and like the fact that we are dating for marriage and that's what it is and then i'm like okay cool then now i'll fucking rain it out you know but until then but until then like why but why would i but why it doesn't make any sense to me like i don't go into a job and not and don't ask them what they're like the requirements of it or the salary or whatever. I need to know everything before I get into this. It doesn't make any sense to me.

I think with females or if you identify as female, your gift, this is what my grandma taught me, your greatest gift is what's between your legs. I'm sorry, but the world starts… 100%. My dad used to say, dangle your carrot. Yeah, yeah. 100%. Thanks, Dad.

My dad used to say the same thing to me. But it's your greatest gift and it's a source of power we give life it's not just about giving life it is power i'm sorry but like power pussy like so why would you give that away or give it up or anything people get really upset and i you know it's interesting the one and i do this show is man woman and i feel like because we do that we're able to sometimes have different conversations because we have different perspectives from a gender perspective. And I think sometimes, this will be a TikTok clip. Someone will see you saying that and they'll be very triggered and upset saying that. But as a man, I agree with what you're saying. I think it's important. And I have two sisters and I have a daughter. And I think it's important to hold some things back

and make the man pursue and chase because it's ingrained. I think there's my perspective in us to one desire that more and to hold it in a different respect level. Yeah. I also think it's not only you get access to my pussy if you put the work in. It's also you don't get access to my energy if you don't put the work in. Right. You don't get access to my witty you don't put the work in you don't get access to my witty

charming perfect personality that being said if you don't put the work in like put the work in totally with that being said though I do think like

if people are just going out and they want to get laid and have sex like power to you but yeah that's totally different I'm saying like

see I have friends that sit there and say oh blah blah blah I'm like but you're looking for a relationship so why would you give it away because that's not that's not what like there's also i read somewhere i don't know if this is true but something like that there is actually a little bit of a science people like oh i slept with

me ghosted me there is actually there's a psychological thing that happens or a subconscious thing that happens with men it's not that it's called the ick it's the ick but in the ick it stems from not because they're like oh she, she gave it up. It's actually subconscious. It's their insecurity thinking, if this person was my wife, it was that easy for a man to get her. So it's not that they're actually judging you and like thinking, oh, she's a bad girl, right? They might even like you,

but it's because they're scared that that would happen to them. Because again, they don't, so it's actually comes from kind of a sweet place why they're ghosting you after they fuck you. I also think that makes so much sense. But it is. Yeah, they don't.

And it's not the, every time, obviously it can like, maybe they can get over that or maybe so, but supposedly that has something to do with actually what's happening to them subconsciously. I think it's not enough time also. And I know men maybe think they don't want this, but it's not enough time to develop an emotional connection. Like you're just, it's just there.

You're just having sex right away. And that's an exchange of a certain kind of energy. And I feel if you don't, like if you skip over all of the stuff to develop true intimacy, and that's lacking and you've already got to the end, there's something subconsciously. And listen, this happened to me

when I used to date around. I know it happens to a lot of my guy friends. Like when it's that quick and that immediate, it's not that you don't still find that woman desirable you just don't necessarily want to take it as far as you would if you had to do the pursuit if you are looking for a relationship I think you should hold out as long

as you possibly can like truly I think like even six months I'm talking as long as you can I usually say four months and I get it everyone's going to have an issue this. My thing is is that it's also shown that well I have rules that I play by. Obviously it hasn't gone that well for me. I'm not married but I do have as many rings as Kobe. So it's like yeah give us some rules. So I think minimum four

months because at supposedly at three months people it's this getting to know you phase where everyone's on their best behavior. Everything's happy. there's extra oxytocin there's everything's like you see them in this perfect light you will notice a lot of people break up or like they don't get in the relationship at like the four month mark so I like I think wait until four months at least I also think I think men know and you tell me if I'm wrong I think men know if they want to marry you at six months I maybe sooner yes minutes six minutes I think they do know and so to marry you at six months. Maybe sooner. Six minutes. Six minutes. I think they do know.

And so a lot of times, again, when if it's a year and they're like, I'm like, has he shared his intention with you? Do you know? Does he talk about this when people bring up? Are you guys going to get married? Does he like get weird? Or is it like, yeah, yeah, I'm working on it. Has he talked to your friend? And they're like, no.

I'm like, then he's not going to want to marry you. Like I, yeah, I just think at six months they know. So I then kind of know when it's like at eight months I can tell. And if I start bringing up those conversations, they're weird. I'm like, I'm out. Quick break to talk about one of our favorite new partners, and that is Z Biotics. As you guys know, Lauren and I have really limited the amount of alcohol that we drink these days, but we still partake once in a while.

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I just told him, I don't want to marry you. Oh my God. Do you know how well that works? That was the end of her documentary. I was dying for a soul. I'm obsessed with her. She's a genius. I've loved her forever.

It's probably a little more nuanced than that. But basically, no, but if you want to test it just at the beginning of a relationship. Okay, another thing I always do when I'm going on a date with someone is when I let them ask me with whatever they want to do, drinks or something. I say, well, no, I don't go on a walk. I'm not a dog. I don't go to coffee. This isn't a LinkedIn job interview.

And I don't do drinks. I'm like, no, you're not getting me drunk. You can take me to coffee. This isn't a LinkedIn job interview. You can, and I don't do drinks. I'm like, no, you're not going to be drunk. You can take me to dinner. Love it. Then I make them ask me to dinner. And then I say, actually, let's just have drinks like at that restaurant because I want to see if you like pass your audition. And then it's a challenge.

And then immediately they're like, okay, they want to do, you know, and then, and then you have the option if you do want to have dinner, I think don't hold back and get to know that person more. My second is always then definitely dinner because you need to see how that person interacts with like other people a lot a lot not just the way that they're talking to the staff if they hold the door open to you how they are how they act like i always do dinner second second date and then third date i'm daytime no alcohol you need to see that motherfucker in the broad daylight and do something boring do something cultural go to the, go to the Whitney, walk around awkwardly in a boring place and see how they do.

Can you guys make little jokes to each other? Does it feel cute? Does it feel something? Are they Philistine? And they're like walking up to Picasso saying, I could do that. He's an idiot. Don't don't date that guy. You know, but like three days, those are usually how I do the first three dates. And I think that can really, and no kissing, nothing. And it always has to be like opening doors and doing things. And then by the third date too, start to kind of, I just do it early on. Like I think be unabashedly like this is what I want. I say I'm dating right now to have fun or I'm dating because I'm curious

or I say I'm dating because I want to be in a committed relationship. I just, and then you can take it or leave it. Not everyone takes it, but I don't care. At least I know. I'd rather find out date three than wait three months and be like analyzing everything in my friend group chat that he says and does. I have a question.

Are you now, are you on these dating apps? I'm embarrassing on Raya. Well, because I missed the whole dating app thing. Oh, you're lucky. Sad for you. You didn't miss it. You dodged a bullet. But I'm just like,

because I wonder now with that, I think a lot of people, people that I talk to, they feel a pressure to move things along quicker because people have so many more options. Yeah.

Back when we were dating, it's like if I was lucky. You're saying that you didn't have any options, that's why you married me? No, no, no. You did have options the whole entire school of Arizona.

No, no. Literally. Did you go to ASU? No, the Harvard of the desert. no no literally you're gonna ask you the harvard yeah there are plenty options there they probably lined up they lined up like a new the options were coming when i was holding your hand out well but it was a different time but but i was saying like maybe i would find one or two maybe three uh and but that was those are the options like i didn't have enough to scroll and scroll. And so you had to put more time in, I feel like. I feel like as an argument against that,

I think actually the apps have gotten to the point where it's almost disheartening. Because of that very reason, because you do have so many options and you're like, I just swiped through, at least with Raya, they shut it off after 20. They're like, you need to wait a few more hours. But Hinge or something, you can literally go there all day like a gamer and just

keep swiping swiping like hundreds if not thousands especially when you're in a congested area have you seen those guys they create the thing with the pencil eraser it just swipes right yeah every single person yeah and you just and you just keep i mean so i think if anything to me it's a little disheartening i'm like really that it's that this is this is it like what I'm wondering is artificial no but it feels like it doesn't feel like a Charles Dickens antique book no it doesn't it doesn't feel like like it doesn't which is why I start asking my friends and they have been so unhelpful but I'm like look I'm also about history and if for hundreds of years if people were like set up or I'm not saying like a range but essentially set up or whatnot it worked for our grandparents and there wasn't that high of divorce maybe they're all miserable I don't know but I want to be set up with someone or I want to have like what's the

type put it out there manifested what I'm asking is like say I'm a guy like okay I'm trying to think of myself back then you know I'm really into someone but they're saying hey you're gonna wait four to six months and then I got this thing on my phone that's like hundreds. But my thing is if a guy wants it, he goes and chases it. Well, do you know what I'm saying here? You know what I'm saying. No, I still, that doesn't threaten me. If you go have a girl that you want to go swipe right on on Hinge and like you don't want to wait around for me, then you're not worth it to begin with.

No, I know. But I'm saying, I think what happens is maybe guys start to feel insecure and they're like, this girl, it's four months. She's not in me. Then that's not my husband. Yeah. I know. but so what i'm saying is like some maybe these things are not the best thing for us because they they provide endless optionality and no they decrease the ability to have patience yes yes i agree with that so i want to go back to the question of who is your like dream guy like describe him Daniel Ricciardo who's that

the Formula 1 driver he's so sweet he's very cute everybody's dream guy yeah he's everybody's dream guy I don't even know who it is good don't worry about it

I feel like someone who is okay kind okay has to be kind has to be funny well on my Riot profile I always say you have to be taller than me

funnier than me and smarter than me okay so those three things for sure. Okay. I love short kings, but I can't feel like a giant. Okay. And I'm 5'10".

Everyone thinks I'm short, but I'm actually, or like average height, but I'm tall. 5'10 is eliminating a lot of guys. It is. Only like 8% of the population is over six foot. So you're saying no to David Beckham. You're saying no to Joe Rogan. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. I guess. I know, right? You put Joe Rogan with David Beckham on. I just want to get that clear. Daniel Ricciardo also wouldn Joe Rogan. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I guess. I know, right? You put Joe Rogan with David Beckham on? I just want to get that clear. Daniel Ricciardo also wouldn't meet that. Thanks.

Formula One drivers have to be smaller because of the weight. Okay. So he has to be taller. He has to be funny. He has to be kind. Tall, funny, kind, cultured. Cultured is important.

That's a hard one to find. That's going to be hard. Good luck. Go sit at the museum. I had an extra ticket next to the ballet or an extra seat at my friend's table. And I like literally went through my phone. I realized like every dude that I've dated in the past three years that is still like

an ex or still single or whatever. I'm going through my phone. I'm like, who who could I take to the ballet? Who has a tux? Who is a clean tux? And I'm going through and I'm like, no, no, this one would probably fall asleep. This one would probably fart in the ballet. This one or probably whatever.

This one might have a tux, but it's probably dirty. This one's, you know, like, and I was like, there was like two guys, men, men, I'd say not guys, two men I could text. And they were like, oh honey, I'd love to, but I have prior plans. And I was like, well, you have the tux ready to go. And they're like, of course, baby. And I was like, oh my God, those guys should probably start dating again. So they have to own a tux. They have to own a tux. Okay. Yes. Reverbably Tom Ford. They have to, they have to be, they do have to be successful in their own right. Okay. It's not about money.

It's about ambition. It's about like, no trust fund kids anymore. I did that and that never works out. Why doesn't that ever work out? Because especially if you're 30, you know how it goes. There's someone who like, the grandfather of whoever who made the money, who is the immigrant and da, da, da, da, da, made the whole fortune, right? This is like succession.

I've dated succession type families and dudes. And then the next generation, they grew up with the money, but then they're all fucked up because obviously the one who made the money didn't have the time to love them properly, but then they have like all the money. By the time money gets to the grandchildren,

they then foil the money. It's a very interesting thing. I have yet to see like generational wealth unless you're like, they then foil the money. It's a very interesting thing. I have yet to see like generational wealth, unless you're like, you know, one of the names, like a Rockefeller or something, I don't know. Or like, and they kind of write off the curtails of the thing and the legacy. And it's like, I think I've yet to see one of these,

oh, maybe a couple that can actually like take like the last name and, you know, and the being the son or grandson of a billionaire and like actually do something really really worthwhile for it i think it must be hard it's like being michael jordan's son like are you going to be that good at basketball i don't know and then you have all the money in the world to like have fun with so no more trust fund guys yeah someone who's like i like i like it if you've given like a talk like you've done like a ted talk if i can google you and you're standing up in a room of people

and you're giving some talk about something important, like if they've like talked about, if they're like presenting at the IMF, I'm like masturbating. If you haven't done a TED Talk, like just leave. Yeah, yeah. That's your vibe. Or just some sort of presentation. I like when it's like, it's always like forums or like a tech conference

or something like important stuff or like, that's what gets me and I'm like, wow, I love smart. I like if you have patents, I like, I do. I think it's hot.

I think it's hot. I like academics. What about patent pending? Patent pending? Oh, come on. Who doesn't have patent pending? You know what I'm saying? Okay, so straight up patent

has to be awarded. Yeah, patent has to be awarded. You have multiple patents. Do you have a patent? I do. Yeah. Do you awarded you have multiple patents I do oh yeah do you really have a patent I do

hey what's going look at you girl you got a good one you have a patent so you you checked that box for me that's hot

amazing that's hot I have not given a TED talk let's name our first born patent yeah I mean our second born son patent that's a cute name it is a cute name

you should name it yeah patent Lauren do you Lauren you have a cute name you should name it yeah patent Lauren do you Lauren you have a patent oh you do oh you do too hey girl

so maybe if the men don't work out you know I'm at the point in my life people keep asking me about the Jenna stuff and they're like how did you

was that real I was like look I like to tease Jenna I love making her blush and she's a very easy person to make blush she's very sweet and I just have been

making people blush since I was like 10 years old. But now watching it back. And then too, she had posted from Paris Fashion Week. She's like, I didn't know. I forgot she could speak French. She's in these glasses in bed and she's like ordering food in French. I'm like, that could have been me. And you know, sometimes you think something's a joke.

And you're like, I had the clueless moment. Like maybe I'm in love with Josh. She's doing a TED Talk. You can Google her and she's giving like speaking. Yes. I literally had this moment and I was like, wait, I was doing it for like cakes

because it's trying to be funny. And I was like, hang on a second. Like why? Like why not? She's in a relationship now, so I can't. But I was like,

I'm at the age. I don't, and maybe it's 2023 and all the young kids are doing it. I just don't care. I've dated so many. I keep saying, I don't,

the only thing I care about what's in your pants is your wallet. Like that's it. Why would I care I've dated so many I keep saying I don't the only thing I care about what's in your pants is your wallet like that's it why would I care about your genitals like I'm old I want to have children and get married maybe you and Jenna have a future honestly I'm not gonna lie as a viewer I was like they have chemistry I'm gonna go watch it back now yeah I have this feeling for her that is very very special I think I think I probably, you know, it's like when you feel so close to someone like Harry Met Sally and you're like, am I actually maybe in love with my best friend? It's that sort. It's I think it's like that sort of thing.

But I have to be respectful because I love her. Girlfriend's fucking amazing. I'd also date her girlfriend, too. When you go on a show. Maybe just a throuple. If Michael and I break up, I'll come be. We could just do a quadruple. Quadruple.

That would closet. The closet. Our faces would be snatched just do a four. Quadruple. Quadruple. Great closet. The closet. Our faces would be snatched from ice and balls. Yes, right? We already have enough balls. Oh, by the way, I texted this guy. He's like, what are you doing?

I was like, I just have balls in my face. And I took a selfie. I'm going to say to you. And he was like, I don't know what that means, but do you want to have dinner next week? And I was like, okay. So I was like, okay, Ken,

thanks a lot. But it's so funny. But it's a funny thing to tell people. I was like, I have balls in my face. And I waited. He was like, question mark, question mark. And then I sent it to things. He's not funny enough. Exactly. But it's so funny. But it's a funny thing to tell people. I was like, I have balls in my face. And I waited. He was like, question mark, question mark. And then I sent it to things. He's not funny enough.

Exactly. But that's what I'm saying. You need to like give me something back. You gotta be quick. Or even like send me your balls back. Like something cool. But the fact that he didn't understand. And he had watched my Instagram story that day.

So I'm like, didn't get it. If we break up, then I'm going to give TED Talks. I'm going to file for a few more patents. You're going to have to grow a few inches though, honey. It's devastating. I was wondering about the show. When you go on the show, New York, I don't watch a lot of Housewives.

You are such a liar. You peripheral it all the time. I watch New York. You watch Beverly Hills. I like New York better, but I do watch Beverly Hills. I've seen a couple eyes on Jersey. I've seen Jersey. You like the guys on Jersey.

Do you guys watch it together? Yeah. That's cute. No, I just go downstairs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And get a bowl of popcorn. But do you feel, because what I love about New York is like before, it was just so, it was nuts.

You know, it was just nuts. Do you feel a pressure to live up to that level of, dare I say, crazy? There was a time and like the other girls can tell you when we were filming for a couple months and there was a little things there was like the me and Aaron thing but again having watched it and I don't think the girls in my cast claim that

they've watched it I don't think that all of them have or like not like how we have but I was worried I was like this is boring a couple times I would like leave a scene where we just had lunch and I would like take my mic pack off and I was like am I the only person that fucking came to work today like we would leave sometimes at the beginning we shouldn't be saying this but we would leave and then like we'd all go to dinner afterwards and they're all

like yeah like saying saying making more dick jokes than me saying hilarious stuff like these girls are funny when I tell you they're funny I't, I think some of them did hold back. They're so funny. They're so crazy. They're saying shit. They're cursing more. And I was like, where was this? Why am I, why are me and Erin

the only ones that are like giving it, you know? And they're like, oh no, no, no. Like we're not gonna, people were holding back for sure. And I think, again. The audience called it out though. Yeah, yeah. They did.

And understandably so, I get it. This was new. First of all, look, this was the scariest thing ever. This is like the trust fall off Mount Everest, right? Because we don't, we promised it was going to be different.

It's a new era, but we didn't know. And at the end of the day, you never know, even though it's respected institutions, you never know what's going to happen or how it's going to look. What about the cast member

that got kicked off? Like, or what happened? It was with her lizzie lizzie's amazing but it was like a lot of stuff start happening with her school at her kid's school so she decided she didn't want to be on it yeah because it's like she needed like i understand that look this is hard enough at the kid's school like other parents i think at the time their stuff's being said or she's saying something like kanye i i don't know like it's like, and I think it was about safety and her family safety. And that I understand and respect

because look, this is hard enough. And look, and I have had things thrown at me and said to me, but like if someone start talking about like children in my life, my godchildren or nieces, I would immediately be like, nothing is worth. The people at her school? No, no.

I think there was like TikTok threats or something. I don't know. So she just said this is not. It's not her school? No, no. I think there was like TikTok threats or something. I don't know. So she just said this is not. It's not. She prioritized her family. That's all. Yeah, that's all. But my question is more, was it weird to be filming with someone and then you guys have to cut these scenes with this person? No, because we had we like barely had started.

So it wasn't a big deal. Yeah, it literally wasn't. I don't even think I had filmed with her. I think that's the difficulty, though, with these shows. So we work obviously with a lot of people that go on television shows. Yeah. But in what Lauren and I do, we kind of have this controlled environment. Like, we're going to produce this. Yeah.

And we self-produce. Like, there's no... Yeah. I don't have to get the green light from anybody to put something out or take something. Whatever I want to do is basically what I get to do. And I feel like the audience, when they tune into something like this treats us different than they treat

reality television stars. And same with like other celebrities like maybe if you're in a movie like I feel you guys your lives get dissected. Yes.

And the audience feels entitled to dissect it. And I'm not saying that that's wrong but it's just a different thing. They are entitled to a point. Right? Because we're putting that's wrong, but it's just a different thing. They are entitled to a point, right? Because we're putting ourselves out there. But it's this ongoing battle, I think,

between fans themselves, fans in the show, us in fans, and us within ourselves, right? Of like what feels I want to share versus I didn't want to share. And I think it's just the wild, wild west and it's like a case-by-case scenario. But I've like, yeah, you see that. You're like, well, you're on a TV show.

You should share that. They don't, they shouldn't have to if they don't want to. We're never pressured to share anything that we don't. But I think it's sometimes too, and I see some of the comments and people in our own arguments getting so like paragraphs, like Charles Dickens, you know, paid by the word level and their interior

and like dissecting things, whatever. And then you just want to be like, get but like it's a show so it's I I guess it's confusing maybe for people because it is it is real but it is a show it's just this thing that you keep like going ping pong back and forth it's really hard I think someone then that has to do this you have to be able to like be able to differentiate reality from reality like Like watching it back with the girls, you know, it's been like tough because it's with your friends and eight months ago conversations

you don't remember. You see their inner thoughts. You see them in confessionals and you're like, dude, you told me you're okay. And then you sat there and you're like, well, that was it. And you're like, what's wrong with you? And it was so long ago.

You have to be able though to like navigate it. It's nothing. Kudos to every single person who's ever done it from the bachelor to survivor to whatever it's it's extraordinarily difficult yeah it's interesting for me to observe because like i said we produce a lot of shows like so we produced a handful of the vanderpump podcast and shows oh nice yeah and then i remember back in the day when stassi had some drama we produced that that show too. And listen, we have shows where people say wild shit all the time,

but I feel like the standard, quote unquote, a podcast host is held to is not nearly the same as someone in your position, right? Where like, I've never been berated so many times when something pops off on one of those shows, I'm like, what are we gonna do? And I'm like, treat it like how we treat every other show. But it's just the audience responds so much differently. Or so differently than they do to like, what are we going to do? I'm like, treat it like how we treat every other show. Sure. But it's just the audience responds so much differently.

Yeah, visceral. So differently than they do to like, if I say something wild on here compared to like, if one of, you know what I'm saying? And that's what we signed up for. But I think nothing can ever prepare you for it. And it's hard to not get sucked in. The thing that gives me when I,

because there's been a lot of like, really, really gross things written about me. And like the thing though that I have, what brings me back and makes me feel okay with it is I'm like when you compare, right? It's always about ratios, just numbers. The number of people that say something about what the number of people that say something good. Also, I think someone who has the audacity or just frankly the time to see something on TV, be that that's on Bravo. No offense, but it's not BBC. And like, and then go online,

take time out of there to go online and write something so upset. Again, Neville Goddard, everything, everyone is you turned out. I'm like, that person's going through stuff. And I actually just like hit restrict. And I'm like, I hope they're okay. Because the only, like,

no, it doesn't make sense to me. Like I watch TV. I watch The Bachelor. I see funny stuff. I laugh at them. I roll my eyes. Oh, maybe that it doesn't make sense to me. Like, I watch TV. I watch The Bachelor. I see funny stuff. I laugh at them. I roll my eyes. I'm like, oh, maybe that's the villain or she's silly. But I don't then, like, take the following steps of out of my day, I'm intrinsically

angered, go on my phone, go on this person's Instagram handle and write something mean to them. It's because something that you're doing is triggering something in them that they don't like and they're projecting it onto you. They're absorbing it and seeing something. Which again, so when I see the things, at first it was hard. I'm like, what the hell? This is weird.

And then I'm like, to someone to take all those steps and nowhere along the way to say, you know, I'm just gonna put my phone down. This is a TV show. This is weird. They're here to entertain us. Maybe I don't like Brynn, but I'm not gonna go out of of my way to go send her a DM about, with all my thoughts about her and why her trauma is relating and she's being a whatever with guys. Like something's not right there.

Oh, the level. I was just tagged in another one just this morning. I didn't restrict. And they're like, I just want to let you know that your unresolved trauma is annoying me and I can't stand this show.

And I'm like- Because they have unresolved trauma. Well, that's the thing. Yeah. And I think it's hard for people to see someone happy and confident. And look, I'm not happy all the time, but like happy and confident, like, hey, this should happen to me. But like, I'm not going to let it get me down and I'm going to try my best. I'm going to move to New York. I'm going to be unafraid. And then somehow I'm going to end up on like an amazing TV show. You know, like I think that's hard for people to see because maybe

it's not turning out like that for them. They're using their trauma as an excuse not to execute on whatever it is they want to execute on. Yeah, because it can always go two ways in life. Like, and I think you have to be very careful when bad things happen to you. You can sit there and say, OK, oh, me, oh, me. And sometimes you become the thing that was your trauma, right? Or you can let it. And look, I think it sometimes would be easier. I don't blame those people who let their trauma affect them because it's hard. It's horrible to like, it's the most difficult thing, but I'm not going to let this thing affect me. So you go one of two ways, you become it or you let it affect you or you just say, no, I'm going to use this and turn it into a superpower. I think I just got lucky. Like I think,

I don't know. Sometimes I think it's me, but sometimes I think it's pure luck. Like, cause it's, it's tough. It's, it's tough. Like I don't judge people that like are just sitting in their own self misery because it's a, it's a tough warp to get out of. Well, it sounds like you've done a lot of inner work and you've been really introspective and really thoughtful and you'd spend a lot of time thinking and meditating. I mean, it doesn't seem like it's been an easy road. I think, you know what it was? It was a failed relationship with someone who I really, there's been few guys where I love them more. And this, there's one of them.

And I was madly in love with them. And I probably still am in love with them. And it didn't work out. I kept pushing him away. I kept running away. And he said, don't, don't do this. Don't run away. Don't push me away.

But that was like my defense mechanism. And I did it for like the 10th time. And he's like, I'm done. I can't do this. It took that relationship. And I was like, I lost out on an amazing relationship because of my trauma. And I was like, that's it. I was like, I don't care what it takes.

I don't care if I have to do electric shock therapy. Like I'm getting rid of this because it's not working out for me. Like I was able to like suppress it for work and like use it as a superpower and work, but interpersonal relationships, it was like a shit show. So it took that, it took that experience for me to be like, that's when I started Alan Watts. That's why I saw that. I just was like, I'm, I'm doing it. Like I'm. I think that when you grow up in chaos, that it's very easy to become addicted to the chaos and feel comfortable in the chaos. Oh, you do.

And if you aren't self-aware and able to look at yourself from an outside perspective and really thoughtful and purposeful about how to remove yourself from the chaos, you will recreate it wherever you are. Oh, you're creating as an adult. And you don't even realize you're doing it. And actually, consciously, I have people in my life I know about this. Consciously, and to me and to themselves, they're like, I don't know how this happened. I don't want this. I hate this.

This is my worst nightmare. But they don't realize that they created it themselves. Right. Because your brain, when we're young, and that's why it's so important with children, you have to protect children, is because it's such a formative time one through seven. And one through five, one through seven. And you need to make sure that, and that's when things are being wired. So like your brain just gets wired to the chaos is normal, right?

So that's like being wired to where you feel safe. It's not guaranteed for everyone. It's not, oh, this actual safe place is where you always feel safe. If something happens, you're wired to feel like the trauma is safe. So that's why then as an adult, you seek it out. Because even if everything, when everything's why then as an adult, you seek it out. Because even

when everything's normal and happy around you, that's abnormal to you, right? And I still deal with a little bit of that. Sometimes when everything's going my way, I'm like, no, no, something bad's going to happen now. I'm too happy. This is too good. I just had this conversation with a friend this week and I was like crying at Waverly Inn. And I was like, it's too good. I'm too happy right now. Something bad's going to happen. And she's like, I think this is the next lesson you need to learn is just to accept it and to accept all the people saying nice things to you and to accept like the good that's happening, not thinking this is going to go away. This is going to run out like this is going to get taken from me.

You almost have to surrender. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I want to go back to what you were telling us because we got our conversation took a turn, but I wanted you to go back and you, for you to give us the roadmap of your fiance's because I just need to like, you were saying that you guys, that you broke up because you would tell them that you, you didn't want to get married or you did want to get married. I did want to get married. Each one of them too. It was me wanting to get married and pushing them to get married. And they wouldn't want to. And then you would break up. And then I'd be like, fine.

Got it. I'm done. I don't want to. And then then is when they would propose. So it's all this like, and I just, and call me crazy. And that's every single one of them. Every single one of them. And how many fiancés?

Okay, well, three fiancés. And there's three engagements, three fiancés. But been proposed to a lot. And how many fiancés? Okay, well, three fiancés and there's three engagements, three fiancés, but been proposed to a lot. And you still have the rings? No, God, no. Why can't you keep the rings? No, no, no. That's a part of the deal. You never keep the ring. It's weird. First of all, you don't want it. Because the ring is a promise. You don't

want it. You don't want, trust me, you don't want it. Even though they're great. I mean, there's been a couple times where I'm like, oh, just for jewelry purposes or like, because I want to be Elizabeth Taylor. So you give it back. You give it back. I'm just wondering the protocol. You give it back every time. Also, legally, you have to give it back.

Oh, you do? Yeah. Men never propose to a woman on her birthday or on a holiday because then she can claim that it was a gift. Any other day out of the- That's a good tip. I know.

I'm helping the guys too. That's a chapter in your book. Yeah. But yes. Can I say something technically like in all like 48 states you have to actually give as a piece of prop you have to give it back i told my sisters this growing up all the time and i'm gonna tell my daughter this men are i will just pick on us a bit we are big dumb animals we don't see the world nearly as gray

as people think and i believe that if you're dating a man and you're confused about his intentions yeah it's a pretty clear answer that's your intuition meaning like we are very straight up like I I've never met a man that's confused like do I want to be with her do I not it's like you do or you don't and yes it's I mean a hundred but you guys are so simple we're the one that complicates you when he likes you he's he's I said I said this on Watch What Happens Live and he's like, really? I'm like, no, when, when a man wants you, he's literally flying to another country to take you to dinner.

True story. If my sisters ever came to me when we were growing up saying, I'm confused if this guy likes me. I say, he doesn't like you. No. Yeah. But I know that's mean to say, but there's no confusion. My friends will tell me like, well, I'm like, I thought you had a dinner date with him.

So-and-so tonight. And they're like, no, well, he's really busy with work. He can't text you back. Here's a story I tell it. There is a very amazing top-tier NBA player that I briefly dated. Everyone's dated him. But I briefly dated. And it was something with like we got into a little bit before.

It was like game four or five of the NBA finals. And he's a star player in this game. Okay. This is like, I don't know. I'm not going to because I will give it away. So anyhow. What does his name rhyme with? I'm not not saying i had texted him something for the game and whatever that i was mad i was like me me me and during halftime i have a missed call and he has

a text he's like babe don't be like that like it's cool right so anyway so to this day it didn't work out with him because like he dates everybody he's amazing amazing. But I tell everyone, if blank blank can text me back during game five of the finals, nobody is that busy. I don't care if you're Jeff Bezos. You are not, like a man is not that busy. Like, come on. Do you know when they want you?

Jeff Bezos. When they want you, they want you. Look at Lauren, who he's dating. I love her. It's amazing. She's an amazing person to look at. Yeah. He is in love with her for a very specific reason she has a big personality she brings the fun yeah you can tell she's fun as fuck and you can tell too I bet you I bet you would have a problem breaking up

I can tell she wouldn't care about breaking up with him she'd be like she does not care yes I love her I think fiance yeah she got him. It's because she knows how to play the game. And I think she can tell. She's like, I don't care if you're like one of the richest dudes in the world. She's like, you can just tell. She is. She's going to be fine on her own. Loving, supportive.

Independent. Yeah, you can just tell. She knows. Yeah. She vibes like she knows what she's doing. And very smart. She knows her worth. There needs to be a Harvard case study on her.

She's like the poster child for like, consider yourself a high value woman. She's like, I'm the biggest value ever me. And that's the way- She's like 21 who cares. Yeah, right? Exactly. Yeah, she is-

It's genius. But that's how every woman should be. And it's not about dating a billionaire or whatever. It's about like, always just, I think my grandma really taught me that. Know your worth and continue to know your worth even when other people fail to see it. It's all about the small tweaks, not drastic changes.

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or he's got this, or she's got this, or the trauma, or if you have to gaslight yourself. Yes. Right? Like I've said, it's pretty simple. He either likes you or he doesn't. She likes you, she doesn't. Of course, there's things you can do in the dating period. But whenever I've talked to anyone that is running circles trying to validate and explain why it's either working or not, where I'm like, listen, it's pretty simple. They either want to be with you or they don't. I also have a theory that I just think humans in general don't like desperate energy.

It's a turnoff in friendships. It's a turnoff in business relationships. It's a turnoff when you're signing a contract. It's a turnoff to an investor. And it's a turn off in business relationships. It's a turn off when you're signing a contract. It's a turn off to an investor. And it's a turn off to sexual energy. And I think that if you find yourself leaning in too hard and being too desperate, that's a surefire way to get someone turned off by you. Yeah, and you can be like, I feel like there's, and it doesn't matter where you come from. I think you can have that.

That's people don't understand that confidence is free. Confidence is, you know, like you can you can choose it. You can choose confidence and happiness and it's free and anyone can do it. So I don't care if you're, you know, like maybe never got to go to school at all. And you're working through whatever your background is, but you can always like, if you can walk into any job or any employer and be like, no, I deserve this pay or this what if you're a truly good employee. I just feel like it's like a thing that people think, oh, people ask me, how are you so confident? I wish I was confident. I'm like, it's in you. You just have to choose. I'm confident. You have to mentally say, I'm going to walk in this room and I own it.

It's an energy field. It's like, it's a choice. It's a choice. I'm not confident every day. I choose to be. I think it has to do with self-worth. A lot of people struggle with self-worth because maybe they're not doing things in their personal life, regardless of what's going on outside, to validate themselves and to better themselves. So they're looking for validation from the outside as opposed to validating themselves from within. Yeah. But I think that's when you have to be really tough with yourself and your own inner. I love David Goggins. I know he's a little confessional. I mean, controversial. But like, I think his story, too, of just like, don't rely on anyone else.

No, it's you. You answer to you. You like I have yelled at myself before, like Brynn, get the fuck up and do something. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, I'm I like I'm a fan of tough love, but I love David Goggins. And I love how he's just like, you're it's you. It's you against you. It's not you it's you, it's you against you. It's not you against the world.

It's you against you. You can do anything. You can have anything. It's all like, you just make your mind and your body do it. You know, if someone's listening and they're single. Yeah. Tell us all the things that you love about being single. Cause you were telling us off.

And I think that, that being single for anyone who's listening, that single is such a moment and it's so fun and you have everything on your own terms. Tell us all the things you love about it. I love having my space in my house. What's that like? It's so nice. It's quiet. It's all my stuff. It's just like a little like cocoon, a jewelry box of Britain.

It's very, very nice I think even when I'm married I read actually in Business Insider it said a few months ago that people married couples who have separate bedrooms are actually like reported to be happier what about like a separate house interesting no not a separate house

but like separate bedrooms and like I think I want I want to sleep in the same bed as my husband everyday but I think I mean 100% I need a separate bedroom like my own bedroom

no that makes sense sorry a bathroom bathroom I need so I can do girl magic I need him to have a toilet in a separate room with soundproof walls and like yeah but having my own bedroom. No, that makes sense. Sorry, a bathroom. Yeah. Bathroom I need so I can do girl magic. I need him to have a toilet in a separate room with soundproof walls. And like, yeah, but having my own space is amazing. Get him a port-a-potty outside and call it a day.

I think you have more money. People ask me like, what do, I don't, it's not that I'm like rolling around in it. I have money because I didn't have kids. If like, what do I have to pay? My rent, my eyelashes, my cell phone bill. It's not that hard i'm 38 i hope i would get be in the point in life where i'm making more money than like

minimum wage i've worked really hard for 17 years but like if you don't have kids life hack you have a shit ton of money right literally statistically google it the richest women in the world are like single childless women like you have more money if you don't have kids it's very simple because i don't have responsibilities i don't have a mortgage i don't have more money if you don't have kids. It's very simple because I don't have responsibilities. I don't have a mortgage. I don't have dogs and like I don't have all this stuff. So I think you have money. Therefore, you have more freedom to just do whatever you want. Being single is awesome because like when I wake up in the morning, I can just be I literally just say, what do I want to do today? And it's like I take my newspaper. I go have breakfast. I see a friend. I go shopping. I go get a pedicure and then I go home and I watch like Bridgerton. Like

that's like I don't have I don't have. So, yes, are there a lot of times because I want to be a wife, because I want to be a mommy that I feel really bad about myself? I feel like I shouldn't have did it. And look, my friends are on their first marriages, second marriages. And like I do feel bad and I'm worried. I have anxiety about the future and I don't want to wake up 45 and not be able to have children. Like that's a massive worry for me. But I'm trying to remember like

if I can manifest it and if the universe wants it for me, I will have it. And I'm going to look back. I've been saying this a lot the past year looking around my apartment. I'm like, I'm going to look back and I'm going to be like,

you know. 100%. When I had my studio apartment, I looked back and I was like, oh my God, that was such a sweet, fun time. It was sweet. And I think I'm seeing it now. And sometimes too, I looked back and I was like, oh my God, that was such a sweet, fun time. It was sweet. And I think I'm seeing it now.

And sometimes too, I actually got nervous because of the fact, sometimes I realize with my manifestations, the second that I am that level of gratitude and realization, then that's when it's almost done being over. So I actually got really nervous and I was like, oh no, what if it's happening?

Like, what if I, I keep saying I wanna get married. What if I'm married in six months and I'm gonna be like, I will take me if it's happening? Like, what if I, I keep saying I want to get married. What if I'm married in six months? I'm going to be like, take me back. You know, like have a really long engagement. No, I'm going to go to Vegas. I'm just new. You got to get me drunk and take me to the courthouse.

Just get done with it. I want to be someone's wife. I don't want to be a bride. I think people make this decision rather cavalierly. Does that mean? Michael has a real opinion on this. No, no, no. I think that unless you're with somebody that you're really certain about,

that you want to build a life with, have children. I mean, that's a whole other thing. Like one thing to be in a relationship, another thing to get married and share a house and income, another thing to have children and raise them for the rest of their adult lives.

So I think unless you're absolutely certain that that's the person that you want to not only be with, but co-parent with and all those things. Yeah. I agree. It's better to just wait and be selective. I think it's not great.

I've made it this far. I've gotten through in the late 20s, early 30s weddings. I'm going to weddings by myself, going to weddings right after I called off my engagement the same week. And literally the person's place card with their name is still there and all the looks. I've weathered all of that. So at this point, I've come this far.

Maybe I just go the whole thing. No offense to the world of Bravo, but I think people see what happens when relationships don't go well. To me, that's my worst nightmare. I would rather be single forever than deal with that kind of drama with an intimate partner, right?

And so the difficulty is sometimes people feel pressure with age or whatever to just say like, I have to do this and I have to have children. I have to be married. But then they end up with someone that they shouldn't be with and i've been tempted i've been tempted with a few exes i was like maybe i should just what relationships have worked out on reality tv i'm just actually wondering like is there examples like you mean marriages or like marriages relationship there's a few there's a few there's a few curse there are some curses you know like the people like the biggest curses

win the lottery. Have you read that book? Like you just end up dying or imploding or like it's bad stuff happens to people that win the lottery. Never won a lottery. So what do you think

with reality television? With reality TV, I was worried about that. But when it started off, it was me, Jenna, and Ubo were the single gals. Jenna's very much in a very happy relationship

where she will not confirm or deny the engagement, but technically she's wearing a big ring. She's happy. They found their little thing and whatever it is. And I just told her if there's a wedding, like I want to give a speech. So please tell me, but I don't know if they're engaged, but she's happy. She has a ring now on the left finger, a giant ass diamond on the left finger. So she's content in their way. Uwe is also an amazing, amazing man. And she's very happy too. So I'm, I would have never thought a year ago when we started this, us being the three single gals, that they're in a happy relationship.

So I'm just hoping that I'm last, the next one. I've seen some of these guys go on reality TV though, and it doesn't end well for them. They just bite it. I think though a lot of women go on reality television to subconsciously expose their marriage so they can get confirmation bias of how horrible their husband is. I've seen that in past seasons. I know exactly which ones you're talking about. Like they'll bring the husband on to be like, oh my God, he's so verbally abusive

and I'm just going to take it and I'm going to let the audience be the judge and jury. And then I don't need to feel bad when I leave him and I'm simultaneously building my own brand and making my own money. Yeah. I think that some have done that in past seasons, perhaps deliberately. And I think some have done it unintentionally. Yes.

Like we see that in real life of people with friends and being like, they're talking about their husbands and you're like, why are you blabbing to everyone that he da-da-da-da or something happened or he lost all this money or whatever. I'm like, are you trying to, is this like a flat, are you trying tobing to everyone that he or something happened or he lost all this money or i'm like are you trying to is this like a flat are you trying to get out of it the broomstick and they ride it yeah and they start or they just take all the dirty laundry and they start airing it for everyone and it's like i've had friends like that where i'm like why are you i have a rule too in relationships

now in my 30s i do not tell friends shit you shouldn't you know you should and don't tell family i know i love steve harvey too he's giving me half my relationship on this is basically Tell friends shit. You shouldn't. You should. And don't tell family. Steve Harvey? What does he do? Family feud? Steve Harvey? Oh yeah. I love Steve Harvey too. He's giving me half my relationship advice. Steve Harvey has like one of the best clips on this is basically talking about how his marriage is a closed circle. Meaning it's like his hand and his wife and his other hand. And like no friends, no family is allowed to participate. In our marriage, we don't like, of course we have issues as any married couple.

If we have an argument or we disagree on something, but we're never going to friends or family. Here's the thing. You can't take it back too. If I'm trashing my husband to you, but we're never going to friends or family. Here's the thing. You can't take it back to. If I'm trashing my husband to you, I'm trashing you to someone else. Exactly. Exactly. Tell your therapist,

tell your therapist. They're always going to be biased. They're not in it. They don't know the day to day. Tell your therapist, don't tell family and friends because then when you want to get back or when you're on better terms, because that happens,

you're going to get mad. You're going to get frustrated. You're going to trash your husband or wife. Maybe you might even think about separating. I'm just thinking like to the best of your ability, as long as it's not like a true, not true, but as long as it's not like a serious matter that needs attention or professional intervention

or something like abuse or something like that. But I think everything else, just like kind of keep it to yourself. I've noticed my relationships in my 30s have gone so much better because I every five seconds wasn't like, maybe if you have one friend, like I tell some of my friends when they're bashing me out so and so they know though with me, I'm an Aquarius. So like they can tell me anything. I say, look,

wherever they're at, I'm support. You hate him today. I hate him. You love him tomorrow. I love him. And it's not even fake. I show up and I'm like genuinely friends with them again or, or generally will hate them. Like, but I can do that in my brain because I just love you so much. So I'm just along for the ride. But I have never, I haven't met a friend like that where I truly trust that they can just turn on

and turn off or wherever you are today, we love them or we hate them. Like, what do you want to do? Let's go. I think you have to be very, very careful because I think people have, they don't even know,

but they could be subconsciously kind of jealous or they're trying whatever. I don't know, people. Or they use it as gossip. This is why I don't even know, but they could be subconsciously kind of jealous or they're trying whatever. I don't know, people- Or they use it as gossip. This is why I don't think relationships are good for reality TV because like we were just talking about,

in our life, we deal with all our stuff, which is Lauren and I. And imagine now you have the world commenting, oh, he said this or she said this and you're dealing with that outside pressure and that outside energy. You can't do that. I'm a single gal.

That's why I did this in the irony that the show is called Housewives and I'm not married. I say not to bash the other people on my show or anyone who's ever done this. I don't know if I would do this if I were married. I think I've waited so long when I find that person. I'm going to protect it with my life. I think the reason why people do it is because they're in a very good position.

I know at least the ones on my cast in their marriages that they can, where they're strong and in a really great place. I think no one knows how much people then comment on your marriage and do things based off tiny little conversations. I would respect anyone who would be like, for their family or for their spouse, like, I watched this back. That was a lot. I don't want to do it. It's brutal. And I just think, A, if I had kids, I don't think I would do this because it's too much time. It's exhausting. It's taxing. It's a lot of work. I don't know. I'm exhausted and these women are doing it. They have

children and play dates in school. I'm like how are you doing glam and doing this and then we do something and you're like let's go out to dinner. I'm like don't you need to go home? I'm exhausted. I go to bed at like 8 o'clock. I'm like a grandma. When you have kids you'll go to bed at 5.30. Yeah.

The ones that I used to watch the OG New York and the OG Beverly Hills and the Orange County. And it's just, it's not a judgment, just an observation. You look at all those people that started that show in marriages. And then how many of them ended or are still doing the show and the marriage is broken. There's very few that have actually lasted. People would say at the beginning of this, wait, I don't get it. So you're married? How can you be on the show if you're not married? And I would always tell them,

you know, the last season, the OGs, their last season, the last three years of their season, two or three years. They've been divorced. No one, there was not one married person on it. They were all either divorced or singled or widowed or single. Yeah. So it's not historically like they've kept the name, I think, because it's just the name of the brand name for 18, 17 years. I think you can be a housewife, though, and like be single. Yeah. I say I'm a housewife in training. Yeah.

I also very much plan to like be a traditional housewife. Like my grandmother raised me to be that way. Like I get in fights with people about this. People say, no, but you worked your whole life. And it is in me to work. But I very much just want to be like a mother. I'm going to be a doting mother and a very doting wife. And I think I think during third wave or whatever, third wave feminism or

fourth wave, I think it was a huge con that we all like fought for rights. But then we ended up just doing two jobs and not getting paid anymore. Like now we have to work and we have to be a mom. Like mothers are the soul, like the lifeblood of like the world. Like a mother being able to properly take care of her kids. I think that, I don't know. I think if you want to, if you want to go to work, because I have some friends that are like, oh my God, after two months, I'm ready.

Just like get the nanny and I want to go work. But right now and how I've been for a decade is like, I just want to be a stay at home mom until at least if I'm able to financially and etc. It's a luxury and a privilege. But if I can have that, I'm 100% doing it. I mean, I think that you should be able. I think what I hope feminism is being able to do whatever you want to do on your own choice. I think where it gets sticky is when you're not doing what is supposed to be fitting neatly in the box.

Yeah. I think you should be able to do, you could work your whole ass off, work so hard and then decide you want to be a doting mom and a wife. Yeah. Like I think you should be able to be fluid with it. Yeah. I just think for me,

it's like being a mother is going to be the most important thing to me. It's the thing I've always wanted. I'm going to have all these things, I'm sure, where I'm like trying to make up for the lack of what I had and stuff. So I'm going to do all of that. You're going to be a great mom. Oh, thank you.

Yeah, you're going to be a great mom. Thank you. I hope. What are some wellness things that you do? Wellness? What do I do for wellness? Wellness, I do intermittent fasting. Okay. What time do you stop eating? What time do you start? I start eating like today. I haven't had anything but coffee. Okay. I'll have something at two. I have noticed. Okay. There's a couple of things. I've noticed when I only eat between two and eight and I kind of can eat them whatever I want, I'm fine. When I'm snacking in the morning or late at night, not doing intermittent fasting, I struggle.

Like in my 30s, my metabolism is shot. Like if I have, it takes me, it takes me like three days to put on weight and then like three months to lose it. Like it's crazy. And I'm tall, but people don't know. I was 15 pounds heavier when I was filming than I was before filming

or after filming. Because when they contacted me, I was in the south of France like eating like a shit. Like it was, I was just chugging rosé and like eating foie gras because it was like

going to become illegal. Literally, I'm just like stuffing it in my mouth. But I do that. I'm healthy all throughout the year so that I can just go balls to the wall and not care

and I don't care about working out. I don't care about calories or intermittent fasting. And I'm just boozing and drinking. So, but yeah, if I do intermittent fasting, it's fine. Also, if you increase your protein, I know it sounds really bad, but you don't have to, I believe you don't have to work out. I think that if you just walk, which I do, I'll like make sure I'm walking, not wearing heels, but walking around the city, walk as much as you can get in like 15 to 20,000 steps a day. That's a lot of steps. But in New York, it's not a lot of steps.

I know it's not a lot of steps. You're so lucky. When I go to LA, I immediately turn back into LA Brynn. We're like, people are like, let's just go like, we have to go CVS. I'm like, can we drive? Like I drive, I do not walk at all in Los Angeles. 15 to 20, I wish that I could walk those steps.

Walk, eat your body. My brother taught me this. Eat your body weight and protein. So whatever your body weight is, eat that much grams of protein. And then drink two liters of water a day. I don't have to work out. And all of a sudden I'll be like, I look ripped.

How did I look ripped? And da, da, da. It's like, those are my secrets. Like chugging water, like it's no regard. Intermittent fasting and just eating a ton of protein. And then I have a sweet tooth. So I'll eat like 130 grams of protein. But then I do eat, like I'll go to daily provisions.

I get the Cronut thing. Like if you just eat a ton of protein, I think that's kind of like a hack. Like your body just. The best hack. Yeah. You feel like you don't want anything else. Yeah. You're just eating a ton of protein.

Yeah. Yeah. You just consume. And I have the little muscle milk shakes of 40 grams. So I like I'll drink one of those today. What about alcohol? What's your drink choice? Oh, I love whiskey and bourbon.

Here's the thing. Really? Yeah. I love whiskey and bourbon. I's the thing. Really? Yeah, I love whiskey and bourbon. I love it. But straight or in a drink? I like whiskey straight. I like bourbon and like old-fashioned or something like that. My problem is though, I love alcohol

and I'm a fun drunk. Half the show people don't realize, I'm like hammered in a lot of issues. I'm like, that was my proudest thing watching it. I was like, I come off really sober. I was so drunk. A, because I get bored while filming. And then it, that was my proudest thing watching. And I was like, I come out, come off really sober. I was so drunk. A, because I get bored while filming. And then it's always like, this is free alcohol. Like, and I just drink and like, and I'm also kind of, as I've gotten older, a lightweight

where it takes me like two or three drinks. I'm like balls to the walls. I was hammered in a lot of scenes where like, just pretty drunk. I had to be careful though, because A, my hangovers last two days. They're really ugly in my thirties hangovers. Like really, really bad. That's the problem. I have to be careful though because A, my hangovers last two days. They're really ugly in my 30s hangovers. Like really, really bad. That's the problem. I get really depressed too.

I'm like, the next day I'm like, what did I do? I haven't worked out. Oh my God, I didn't do that. I'm just an idiot. And I look at like, I have like $400 worth of Ubers. And of course I like picked up the tab for dinner

with people that are way richer than me. I'm like, what am I doing? Like, what am I doing? Like, who am I trying to impress here? This is idiot. I'm an idiot. So I get really regretful and angry but i love drinking though i really do and i'm a happy drunk i just keep drinking more and i'm always like you know people i don't like i'm like i fucking love you man i'm that person i'm like should we go to vegas like i'm just like fuck it like i'm picking up tabs i'm making friends with everyone i'm in the bathroom talking

to the attendant being like do do you have to send? No, it's about first generation sending. You're like, I'm going to get your girls into Marymount. I know someone on the board. I'm just making promises to people, giving my phone number to everyone. I'm everywhere. And then I go home and eat mozzarella sticks.

Sounds like a fun time. Life hack. DoorDash in the Uber on your way home, that way, and then meet, so the food's there. Don't never wait till you're home. Where are the mozzarella sticks from? Mod sticks? Oh, like the Hollywood Diner.

Yeah, it's pretty close to me on 15th or 16th and 6th. Hollywood Diner, they're open late. That's good. Yeah, yeah. My last and final question, I have to ask you this because I feel like

you're the perfect person to ask. What perfume are you wearing? Oh my gosh. Thank you. Portrait of a Lady. Frederick, I don't know how to say the name because I can't speak either. Frederick McCall. How do you say it? Frederick Thank you. Portrait of a Lady. I don't know how to say the name because I can't speak either.

Frederick McCall. How do you say it? Frederick McCall. Portrait of a Lady. It smells what I would think that you smell like after watching the show. Oh my god. That's so cool. It smells really good. Olfactory is the number one scent. More than for memory,

it's more than sight, hearing, anything. For memory, scent is the most strongest. Portrait of than sight, hearing, anything for memory. Like scent is the most strongest. Um, portrait of a lady. I love it. I'm seeing so many good things for you in your future. You can come back anytime. That was such a fun, colorful conversation. Where can everyone find you? What are you working on? Tell us about your collab. Do you want me to give you an address? Someone might want to text text you give them your phone number yeah uh slide into my dms um no i actually just uh announced this week that i did a collab with cb2 it's really cute it's really cute and look it's just like curating i help them pick some things and make it it was just really

meaningful to me that they saw the brins giving episode they're like and they saw the domino magazine piece and they're like we saw that half your apartment cb2 so hey stalker what's up and they're like also we love like we they did some cb2 is just different in general but they're like we wanted to do something and work with you because what you shared about friendsgiving and like being you know not maybe always feeling like whether you didn't grow up in a fancy house or maybe you have friends giving because there's no family to go to thanksgiving but they're like we just want to celebrate all that with you so i was like thank you cool design brand like that's so nice to like it's one thing to have brands and partnerships reach out we'd like to do this it's a contract but they reached out like because it's like sentimental like so it's it's

really amazing it's on cb2.com i think i'm on the home page cute looking like a classy housewife yeah your house is beautiful oh thank you yeah you. Yeah, it's really beautiful. It's small, but mighty. What's your Instagram? Brynn underscore Woodfield. Perfect. Wait, why? Just if someone wants to follow you.

Oh my God. Oh, in the DMs. In the DMs. Okay, yeah. They have to have a TED Talk. And they have to be taller than 5'10". Send me your patents. Don't even DM her if you don't have a patent.

Yeah. Send your patent number in. It can't be pending, bitches. If it's like expired, that's trash. Brynn, thanks for coming on the show. Thank you, my love. Thank you. Last but not least, have you tried the body sculptor?

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