The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Sami Clarke & Sami Spalter On Healing From The Inside Out, The Power Of Your Nervous System, & Becoming Magnetic To What You Desire

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

#830: Join us as we sit down with Sami Clarke & Sami Spalter – founders of FORM & hosts of TransFORM. Fueled by their personal journeys in health & wellness, these two powerhouse women came together with a mission to help others unlock their fullest potential & feel their absolute best. Inspired by this purpose, they founded FORM – an all-in-one destination for fitness, wellness, & self-love. FORM is designed to support you every step of the way, offering everything from on-demand workouts and expert-led programs to nourishing recipes & tools that help you feel your best – inside and out! In this episode, both Sami’s open up about their most transformative wellness practices, how movement became their medicine, the power of embracing change, & how they continue to evolve through every season of life!   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with FORM click HERE   To connect with Sami Clarke click HERE   To connect with Sami Spalter click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   Visit istandwithmypack.org to support I Stand With My Pack’s (ISWMP) mission by donating or adopting. Every contribution helps!   This episode is sponsored by Just Thrive   Visit JustThriveHealth.com and use code SKINNY90 for 20% off your first 90 day bottle. That’s like getting a month for free!   This episode is sponsored by NOBULL   Visit nobullproject.com/tsc for 30% off your entire order.   This episode is sponsored by Cymbiotika   Claim 20% off and free shipping at Cymbiotika.com/TSC.    This episode is sponsored by Hiya Health   Go to hiyahealth.com/SKINNY to receive 50% off your first order.    This episode is sponsored by Addyi    Learn more at Addyi.com.   This episode is sponsored by Square    Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at square.com/go/skinny.    This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential   Refresh your routine. Shop The Skinny Confidential Anniversary Sale at shopskinnyconfidential.com from April 22nd - April 25th for 30% off SITEWIDE!   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a deer media production. Before we get into this episode, I would love to tell you about my favorite charity, something I'm very passionate about for a long time. It's called I Stand With My Pack. It's a female-run nonprofit that's dedicated to saving animals. And I am so passionate about this charity. I had the founders on the podcast and they talked all about how they rescue dogs from high-kill shelters specifically in Southern California and their goal is to provide The animal with a loving foster home

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are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. Ah-ha. You asked for it, and they're here. You asked for the Sammies. You may recognize the Sammies from social media. You may recognize them from their show called

Transform, which is on Dear Media, or you may recognize them from Instagram Reels. So to give you a little background before we get into it, Sami Clark is a certified health wellness and fitness trainer. She is committed to guiding you towards a healthier lifestyle. And she's formally a model. She's completely transitioned her focus to training on the platform Form. And additionally, you get Sammy Bernstein-Spatler, who is not only the co-founder of Form, but also the self-proclaimed number one Form customer. This episode is really cool because you get to see how they've built this wellness empire from the inside out and how they think

about health, wellness, diet, and fitness. We go all over the place, per usual. Let's get into it with the founders of form, the Sammies. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. You guys know what you're doing. Pretend we know what we're doing. Oh my God, the king and queen. The king and queen. Yes, Lauren, own it. Own it? I don't know about the king and queen. Michael thinks he's the king. I'll let him think he's the king. That's the trick to being married for this long. You let them think they're the king. So wait, what is he a prince? Um, I feel like I have a little king energy, but I'll just let you think that you're the king. Whenever you get like this, I tell her like put your fucking balls away. Because part of the key to being married is your wife does not take her giant balls out and throw them on the table. That's why I let you think you're the king.

Keep that in the show, Carson. Okay. Welcome to the show. Sammy and Sammy, how did you guys meet through our husbands? Tell me that story. Oh, it's our favorite story to tell, our love story, honestly. It was COVID. So it was during the pandemic. I was actually in the midst of my weight loss journey, and Andrew, who was at the time my boyfriend, goes, my friend from middle school, JT Barnett, is dating this girl, also named Sammy, and they live a half a mile away. Let's go for a walk with them.

And I go, Sammy Clark, like, I do her YouTube 10-minute abs weekly. Please, like, I would YouTube 10 minute abs weekly. Please, like I would love to meet her. And you guys know when you were living in LA, when you actually can genuinely connect with someone, and it's someone that like, you're almost manifesting a friend like that.

We ended up going on one walk that turned into weekly walks every Tuesday during the pandemic. And what started as just like a simple friendship turned into what is now our business. And I mean, we're very best friends, Chosen Sisters, and the boys have known each other since middle school. And did you feel, Sammy, that you had a gap in your business that she needed to fill or was that not anything? So I met her at a really interesting time.

I actually was looking to start my business before I was even started. So form wasn't created yet. And I grew this crazy audience on social media. I had like 5,000 girls showing up for lives. If you're on those lives, I love you so much. I was doing them five times a week, teaching workouts, just growing this organic, authentic community.

And I knew I needed to take these people somewhere. I'm like Instagram is just holding all of these people for me. And my most important thing was to stay so true to my craft and stay so true to the community. So I didn't want to be running the ops. And like, that's something I just knew. And so when I met Sam, I was like, okay, I feel like she is so my energy,

but also she's run a business before and understands this. And she was in her weight loss journey, and we were just vibing as friends. And then she actually asked me also she's run a business before and understands this. And she was in her weight loss journey and we were just vibing as friends. And then she actually asked me, she's like, I feel like we could be business. Because I was one of the girls on the lives. Like I knew what was needed because I was her customer. You were in it. You were a practitioner.

Exactly. And that's the thing. I had calls with like these like old men that were like, let's do this, I'm doing this for her and her and her. And I was like, I cannot talk to you every day. And like, you don't understand my mission. This is way bigger than me being another person on your roster. Like I need someone who wants to create something massive, but is doing it for the people.

And that's when I talked to her. She didn't even do what, like what she was doing before wasn't even what I were doing now. I talked to her, she didn't even do what, like what she was doing before wasn't even what I were doing now, but I could feel like she understood my mission and was ready to create it with me and also was like not trying to be like the star of the show, she was like, how do we make this the biggest thing ever and I wanna support you?

And I just felt her support from day one and that's what I wanted. The brands that I've seen succeed across the board have a common denominator and we've never talked about it on the show. They're the ones that have the lanes defined upfront and they're the ones where there is someone that can lean into the talent and the creative

and there's a person who's comfortable being behind the scenes and they're confident with themselves and they are really good at ops, and sure, they can come on, you know, a show or a TV appearance, but they're really good at operations. I think that makes such a good team. Have you guys found that? One million percent.

And I think it was nice because, as you perfectly said, it was that from day one. I looked at Sam as talent from day one, and I've also honored her creative genius, and she looked at me as the business. She was like, run the business. I want to be involved. I never want to be the person who's naive

to what's going on and what the financials are and the ops, but I need to trust someone to run it. And before we worked together, I ran an agency with my brother. So all I knew was agency with my brother. So all I knew was working with someone who felt like family. And that was the only thing that we needed to discuss before we got started.

It wasn't if Sam and I could balance that, it was, can we really do this as best friends? And I think that's the thing we do so well is in the beginning, we had a plan. We have pivoted that plan a hundred times four years later. Like I think people feel like they need to have it all figured out of like what the business plan is, you know, just all the logistics.

And I'm like, we don't know what we're doing yet. You're going to run ops. I'm going to do this, but we showed up in each other's role also to learn each other's role in the entire business. Like I was on every financial meeting. I was listening about the ops. She was showing up to my workouts.

She didn't need to be there, but we wanted to understand each other and be this team. And I feel like we have just truly grown and pivoted over four years. And it's not the same business that it was in the beginning or the same partnership. Have you guys read that book, rocket fuel? Yes. Is that the one with the orange cover? Yeah, it is. Okay.

So I like that book, especially for people, I think like all of us that work in a dynamic where there's one that's kind of more of the big picture front facing person and more of the operator. And it's funny, I'm like in Lauren and I's dynamic, obviously she's more front facing and I'm more behind the scenes, but in Dear Media's dynamic, you guys work with us, like Paige is that counterpart for me on the ops side. And I'm actually more front facing for dear media, but it, it, it kind of articulates, you kind of need both people to push something to your point with

dear media, that was such an obvious yes for us to sign with a network because I couldn't be ops in that scenario. I needed to actually be talent. And that's where you need to pick a lane. I mean, I do think you can touch both in a certain regard. Like with Form, I do host meet and greets, and it's amazing to meet the community because I offer a different story than Sammy does. But at the same time, 90% of the time, if not more, I'm behind the scenes running the ops.

When it comes to Transform, I want to be able to treat myself as talent. I want to have creative time to think through what's next. So, Dear Media, you guys run, I mean, the entire operation, all the production, all the partnerships, everything. I don't have to use that side of my brain as much. Yeah, I think it's, I think business partners, even couples get in trouble when they don't define those lanes in the beginning.

And then there's like a little bit of confusion about like who's doing what or what the vision is. Like for Lauren and I, even though we do this show together, like it's very clear, like the reason it's called The Skinny Call, I mean, for fucking forever, it was a giant pink cover. It did stay for a while. But anyways, I think if I was trying to be the lead singer

in that dynamic in the beginning, it would just been very, one had been hard on the marriage until you just wouldn't have scaled the way it did. How did you guys set expectations with each other? Like, was there a conversation? You know when you embody an energy and that person matches it, that was us. Like, it was like, I'm gonna show up my best

and embody this energy and Sam and I were meeting each other always. It was just like a felt sense. Synergistic. Yeah. What was your relationships to fitness, weight loss, workouts? I know you guys have had different journeys. I would love to just give the audience some context on that. So I feel like mine is always progressing, but how I got into it personally, obviously I am a fitness trainer. I started with moving to Los Angeles

and I was in the modeling and acting world. I really got such a benefit from my family who taught me how to eat right. My dad was in personal training. So I really got to see how to feel good. And when I came to LA, it was, I started to feel bad. I started, my mindset started to suffer. I started to sleep in, I was partying a lot.

And I just saw that I felt really shitty. And the only thing I kept doing was my movement. And my movement was the thing that I could actually come home to and feel myself in. And so I started to share like all of my movement that I was doing. And I remember these models on set were like, there's some glow about you that's happening. Like, what are you, like, what are you doing? And this was something that changed was doing. And I remember these models on set were like, there's some glow about you that's happening.

Like, what are you, like, what are you doing? And this was something that changed my life. It made me feel again, so much better when I was feeling in a really dark place. And so I started literally showcasing and sharing all of my workouts for free. I was like, I could do this in my sleep because it has changed my life.

Like once you've really tackled movement and not for an aesthetic feeling, but for actually the way it makes you feel, it's game over. You actually can't go days without it, even if it's a walk or if it's a 10-minute lift. And that's how I felt. I saw that mentally and physically. It was changing my life. I felt more connected to myself. I felt more intuitive. I felt somatically like myself moving trauma, moving things in my body. Like I was doing magical things. I didn't always have words for it.

Now I have a lot more words for it, but I wanted to share it with everyone. And so that's kind of how my journey, where I think a lot of people followed along, is I just had an energy about me that was like, this will change your life, just come and join me. And that's when I was doing those lives five times a week and girls were like, I feel so good in 30 minutes.

I need to continue doing this and it's been my passion ever since. You can tell you're very passionate about it. Yeah. And what about your journey? Your journey was different. Very different. And I think this is where, you know,

I do feel the need to speak so that other people can feel seen because there is such a demo out there who I know struggles the way I did for my entire life because I was overweight my entire life. Like truly until the last couple of years, I was struggling with my weight in a really deep way and I did not understand nutrition. I never enjoyed movement.

And I think back to even in middle school and high school, I would do things like the cookie diet, where you would eat these cardboard cookies that had these, like, random little chocolate chips that would give me, like, some little joy. Or I did Jenny Craig. That was a real diet, though? Yeah, it was called Smart for Life.

And I would literally eat these cookies all day. Remember the one, the drink that you would get at Rite Aid that was, like, the Hollywood, the Hall. I did this before. You took me to San Carlo, your fraternity trip. You like drink the drink. Like the lemon Canada. Hollywood cleanse. I remember like three days.

I wonder what's in it. We should look back and see. That's hectic. You did it because you knew you were going to the beach with me? Yeah, no, not just you. It was like everyone. I needed to like peacock my feathers. Yeah. You were excited just you. It was like everyone. I mean, it's like peacock my feathers. And yeah, you were excited about it. Go ahead.

I was right there with you, the right-a drink, and was really just trying anything and everything. And sure, I'd see some weight loss, but it would never stay. And we all know the story. When you're a yo-yo diet or you try everything, but you never actually figure out what food you need to eat and what movement you're actually

gonna crave to create the lifestyle where you can actually maintain results, you're fucked. You're gonna go right back. And when I moved to Los Angeles after I graduated college, I was heads down in my career. I've always been a workhorse and that doesn't really help when you're on a wellness journey. And I was finding my new doctor in LA, they made me step on a scale, which was something I had avoided for probably like five years at that point.

And it was a rude awakening. And it was a moment in time that I'll never forget because I looked at myself square in the mirror and said, you need change, you need change. If you want to live a long, beautiful life that you deserve, there has to be change here. And I've always been someone to look at experts. I know what I'm great at, but I also know who's an expert that I want right beside me to help me change my life.

So I hired a nutritionist and at that time I actually joined a CrossFit gym. So that was an interesting moment of- It's moving in the right direction. We had to get her back. This is where- Yeah, it's not- No Lauren. It's better than sitting on the couch.

Yeah. But it did introduce me to strength training, which is like my go-to bread and butter club. Yeah, and so much cortisol. And I mean, I basically, it was like army bootcamp every day, but it was a two second walk from my apartment in Venice Beach. So there was no reason for me to not show up.

So it was really just that proximity thing for me. And then after I had my year long membership and I went five days a week, I said, absolutely not. We are moving on to what else is out there. And that's when I started going on YouTube and figuring out, okay, who can I strength train with? That's not the CrossFit vibe. But at least it got you into strength training and got you consistent.

It really did. And discipline. I mean, I learned self-discipline, which I always say now is my form of self-love. Like I needed to figure out control. I used to eat like a Costco muffin for breakfast, ones that are literally the size of your head. And then it was just, I had no good habits. I needed to start somewhere. And I learned so much control, so much self-discipline

and then found YouTube workouts like Sammy Clark's would do those, fall in love with those, started walking, fell in love with walking, started introducing Pilates, which I love adding in a couple of days and really just became so intuitive with myself. And I never had a connection to my body. I was truly living dissociated from my body

for the longest time. I, it was almost like, you know that feeling when you rent a car and you don't really give a shit? You're like, yeah, like we can leave the trash in it. That's how I felt. Where now I'm like driving my dream car. Just remind me never to rent you a car. Remind me never to rent you a car.

Mike was like, I don't know about that. That sense of ownership of like, this is mine, treat it with respect. And now I feel like my body is my temple. I love it. I want to honor it. I want to show up every day and give it what it wants. And I mean, I'm just so proud of myself for figuring it out.

And now I get to surround myself in it day in and day out. And I think it's no accident that we're doing what we're doing. So how long was it when, since when you started the CrossFit to where you felt like you were comfortable in your body and you were getting the results. Like how, what did, how many years that takes? I think sometimes people, like I'm super vocal about talking about how long some of this stuff takes because people will look at you guys and what you've accomplished now. They're like, Oh, like it's gotta be quick. And sometimes if, if they think that way, they'll kind of fall off. And so I just, I think it's important to talk about like how long it actually took.

Absolutely. And I love this topic more than anything, because I think there are so many quick fixes out there right now. And I always ask myself, like with my weight loss journey, that did take over five years. I didn't know about it was Ozempic five years ago. Like what would I have done then? I don't actually know, but I took a really long road to get here

and I'm grateful because I learned those habits. So yeah, five years, year one was zero to a hundred. So year one was in hindsight too restrictive, but there were big results. I went full keto and full CrossFit. Like very different. Wow. So you did like the bandaid ripped off. Oh, that bandaid was off and I was honestly living in a box. Like again, hindsight 2020. I don't think that's the worst thing though. In the beginning. You force the discipline.

The Japanese is coming out of you. No, no, I mean, I just, I think. This is because they're you're you're Side of you that's Japanese is very disciplined Like I've never heard him say he's craving anything He eats you eat Such a favorite. Yeah, it's it's fascinating. It is fascinating. It's not like the normal human You know, he just stops when he's 80% full.

It's just a different kind of thing. I grew up with a Japanese grandmother and that was very normal in our household. There was never like you finish every ounce of your plate. It's like when you're full, you're full and you just move on. Something's really good though. I'm like, ooh, one more bite of sourdough and maybe another bite. Are you consciously like being like, okay, I am 80% full.ough and maybe another bite. Are you consciously like being like, okay, I am 80% full, I'm gonna stop

or your stomach just like knows and then you're like. I don't like the feeling of feeling like really full. Well, I don't either, but if it's really good, I'm like, eh. I don't know. I think like, fortunately I found, and it's funny because as you were talking about the way you feel,

like I found these kind of activities since I was young. I was always in sports. I know you have a boyfriend that plays hockey, playing hockey, football, I did all this stuff. So I was always in some kind of gym doing this. And for me at this point now with two kids and another on the way, like I don't do anything for the aesthetic. I do it just all for how I feel.

Like I feel like I could not get through. That's what it sounds like you do. Well, I think a hundred percent. I mean, definitely don't get me wrong Not so it sounds like you do. Well, I think 100%. I mean, definitely don't get me wrong when someone compliments like, you look really great. It feels so good. And when you feel good in your body.

And even like, I also want to say like, that was a hard thing for me posting on YouTube. The thumbnails that did the best were get abs in 10 minutes. The clickbait. You know, the clickbait. But at the end of the day, what I think Forme has brought, which I'm so grateful for, is the the feeling and I think once you actually, I

actually think movement and you guys tell me your thoughts, I think movement is the number one way people actually meet themselves but it's it seems like the safest way. It's not like let me go to therapy, let me go I don't know go to a retreat and do something crazy. I'm gonna move my body and they think it's for an aesthetic feeling but actually it's for an internal like spiritual feeling in my opinion, because that's why I think everyone needs it and keeps coming back to it because it is like way bigger than just the way you look. It's meditative. I also like look at movement as a strategy session with myself, like where

I can plan what I'm going to do for the day. It is totally more than just aesthetic. I have a personal, like people that are close to me in my personal life, I have a rule like I don't want to hear about their feelings. I don't want to hear about their depression or their anxiety or their sadness or other business feeling if they're not moving their body at least four times a week. A lot of these things, and I know people don't like to hear this, a lot of these things with mood disorders and depression and anxiety would be cured if people got out and exercised four to five times a week.

If I sat in the house seven days a week, I would have a mood disorder. And I can say this as somebody who- I would. What do you do? Like you do with no sun? Oh, for sure. I would feel horrible. Imagine if I sold you, like you're not going to be able to work out for a full month.

Like what that's going to do now that you know how it feels. And listen, I'm not saying that some of those disorders and anxieties are not real, but you can accomplish and move away from so much of that if you get out and move your body and get those endorphins flowing. And I just, the reason I won't talk to people in my personal life that aren't doing those things is like, I know, I know what it will do for them if they actually start developing a routine. And my personal opinion is a lot of that stuff goes away. Once you start building personal confidence,

moving your body, getting the endorphins, getting your chemicals in your brain working properly. It's important. I agree. I mean, it's like proven scientifically. I will say this to actually like go another direction. When I got my boobs done, I couldn't work out for, they said it was like four weeks

and ended up being like almost eight weeks because I had to like, they had to like really cart, it was my second surgery. So they had to really do some stuff. And I remember not moving for eight weeks of someone who's moved for so long. That was a moment in time where I had to actually meet myself in ways talking about mood disorders and depression and all that stuff. I had to like really go within which actually was a really great time for me, but I actually got to see that movement can be also

an escape for people, that they don't actually face their things because they're gonna go move in the gym and forget it and ignore it, where I got to actually be like, movement is my favorite tool to meet myself. And also this time without movement has allowed me to actually like be there for me.

I think there's a little bit of a lie going on. Tell it. Everyone's gonna get so mad at me. So I have this theory that with surgeries, they tell you not to work out for six weeks. Yeah, mine was long. I don't believe it. And I'll tell, and this is my own research that I've conducted on myself. The reason you don't believe it is we've had doctors tell us after like,

I've had doctors tell me off air. Oh yeah. don't believe it is we've had doctors tell us off. I've had doctors tell me off air. Oh, yeah. Really? Tell me. I have had doctors tell me off air. After I had my boobs done for the second time, I was like, I'm going to go to the gym after a week. I'm not going to move anything up here.

Like do a bench press. Yeah, right. I'm not going to do chest. I'm going to squat and I'm going to lunge and I'm gonna lunge and I'm going to stretch and I'm gonna just get to the gym and walk. And so I did that after a week. Your lymphatic system gets going. So it's totally healed faster.

All that anesthesia starts rushing through you quicker because you're moving. And I text the doctor and said, I just wanna let you know I did this. And he goes, between you and I, you're 100% right. We have to like buy some kind of law. Tell you six weeks. And people are like, when are you gonna go back to the gym

after you have a baby? Probably to be honest, TikTok light it up. After two weeks. I'm not gonna lift weights. I'm gonna sit there probably and just be at the gym. Maybe light stretching. I'm gonna walk. I'm not going to lift weights. I'm going to sit there probably and just be at the gym, maybe light stretching. I'm going to walk. I'm going to move my body. Yeah. You know what you need. And I love you for saying this because I recently got my boobs done last year. I love that we all have this and I was moving. I've seen a lot of, like I've seen a lot of things.

All different kinds. I was moving within a couple of weeks and I remember Sam being like, are you well? Like, are you sure you're well? And I just knew within my body because of what I spoke to before, I'm so connected with my body. I knew I needed to go for a walk. I knew I needed just some like squats,

some lower body action. And yeah, it definitely wasn't gonna go chest press or do any chest stuff, but like there were things that my body was craving that I needed. I think we've lost the art of listening to our intuition. Right. And it's the same with lifting while pregnant. So many people are like, are you lifting? Yeah, I'm lifting. How am I doing it? I'm listening to my body. Today I went to

Ben to pick something up and it was too heavy and I stopped. Like I just think there has to be some kind of internal compass that we rely on as opposed to like, you can't do this. You can't, it's not one size fits all. Well, it's not that, it's just like, humans are really good at taking the path of least resistance. So if we're told that we can take a break, we're going to lean into that break really heavily.

Sitting in bed does not make me feel good after surgery. In fact, it makes me feel depressed because their anesthesia, it's not moving. Yeah. You think about it. You're not like getting it. I don't know. It's why, it's why there's this message all the time. Like there was this weird period of time in the last few years.

We all know the time I'm talking about where it was like, you had to love yourself unconditionally, no matter what, even if you were being a total piece of shit. And I couldn't, I can't, I hate that message. I'm like, why? Like I have children and if they're screwing around and lounging around and eating like shit and not taking care of this, I'm like, I'm not going to say love yourself, I'm going to say you got to get your shit together buddy. Michael already pulls the wagon and runs it away from my kids and says,

got to run for it. They're two and four. They're in training. We were talking earlier about how you went super heavy into it in the first year. And I was like, not even talking talking about fitness but if one of my friends came to me in a business context and was saying hey I'm not getting the results I want financially with my business like there's probably a crash course period of time I'm like you got to be so out of balance and go like all

in and you're gonna be not getting a lot of sleep and you're gonna have to do a lot of shit that's really miserable and you're not gonna have time with friends and family and girls and then like maybe just for a short period of time, you got to like shock yourself a bit. And then over time you can ease off of that. But I do think it's good to kind of go all in in the beginning. I agree. I feel like my fitness journey honestly showed me every way of how to show up in life because you need to try it all.

You need to see what works for you. You need to be able to say great for you, not for me. I know what works for me because I'm in touch with myself. And to not look at movement as a punishment too. I think that's where I was before. And it's a lot of what we talk about of really honoring the feeling because when movement's not a punishment,

but it's actually this privilege of like, we get to do this, we get to feel really strong. I mean, what a gift it is to feel that feeling. And of course, there's like those aesthetic drivers, but at the end of the day, I mean, that feeling for me is everything. It's everything. There's an individual that Lauren and I will sometimes see at the gym, and I really admire this person.

He's struggling and he doesn't have full function of his, of his legs. Right. And you can, you know, and he's in the gym all the time. And like, whenever I see that I'm like, that person would give anything to just have normal bodily function, to be able to do the workouts that we all dread so much. And when I see that, I'm like, it's inspiring because to your point, like it's something that if you're an able bodied person, you take for granted sometimes. Like, oh, this is something I have to do.

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The things that you reach for in your wellness toolbox and and from a granular level like what are the little things each of you? guys use every day Your mouth tape. Yeah. Addicted. Your mint roller. Addicted. I'm so happy you guys have some skinny confidential line-up. No, literally.

It's just like a funny thing, but I didn't want to be like, okay, I did it for my jaw at first. I was like, I really want a jaw line. But anyway, the mouth tape has changed my life and I love it. It works so well. It really does. Yeah, it's really good. And I've been taking it and doing the hole

over my upper lip to give myself a facelift while I sleep. So it's like, it's like pulling the face up because you don't want to put it on and pull the face down. But also just getting rid of the slit even like makes you like even breathe in deeper to your nose. Wow, okay. Do you know what I in deeper to your nose. Wow. Okay. Do you know what I mean? I kind of love the whole, but I will do it.

I'll do it. Were you like a mouth breather before? I don't think I was a heavy mouth breather to be honest, but I feel like just the difference I feel of the sleep I get, even not being a mouth breather, I feel like it's been night and day. You know what? There can be baby mouth breathers. You're a baby mouth breather.

I caught, I catch you with a, it's a small sliver of a mouth. Lauren says I'm a millimeter off, which is why I have to have a little bit of fish in my mouth. So what do you do in that moment? He should mouth tape, he doesn't listen to me. Oh, you won't do it, Michael. Well, but I need you to make one that fits on my beard.

It does fit on your beard. Put it on tonight. I'll just cover your mouth with my hand. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, you gotta try it, I'm telling you. Since I'm a millimeter off, I can't shave this thing down or else. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, you gotta try it. I'm telling you. Since I'm a millimeter off, I can't shave this thing down or else.

No, don't shave that down. What are your things? Like are you sunning? Are you cold plunging? What are your things that you reach for all the time? Meditating, what are you doing? My absolute, without a doubt is get outside. Like even in the morning

when it's 20 degrees here in Austin, like putting your face in fresh air and just taking some breaths. I even will take it a step further if I can and put my feet in my grass. And just, like, literally feel the energy from the freaking ground that we all have for free. It is my favorite way to connect with nature,

to connect with, like, God, spirits, whatever you believe in. I'm like, we are doing this day together. Nature, we are one. Like, let me be here with you. So that is like one of my absolutes. And then I love, this is my new thing too, is meditating outside if the weather is also good. So I'll put my headphones in.

I actually recommend meditating with headphones in so no distractions are happening and like you're just zoned in. I have this really cute video of my dog literally meditating next to me while I was outside. It was iconic when I woke up. I mean, when I opened my eyes and he was also meditating. But meditation for sure. Right now I'm doing a future self meditation. I'll change my meditations. I'll do it like consistent for a month or 60 days. But no matter what I need to be with myself. Like

I need to have that time for me or else I will be a monster and I will not be my best self. So I have to, have to, have to do that. I'm doing a future self meditation by Nikki Novo right now. And it's literally you meeting your future self. Could be five years from now, 10 years from now. And the energy you feel from her, the one that is like so in her center, so in her body, it is angelic. And you just feel her and you take it on.

And I feel like I'm like wearing her today and it's the best feeling. So I love doing my meditation. Another huge one that I've been doing is self check-ins. So I'll set like four to six alarms. It seems extreme, but when you have a business and you're running all day, you can be like, I don't even remember the day. So I have check-ins that go throughout my day and I'll just be an alarm. And it literally says like, you are magic and it has like a hug emoji and I'll check in with my breath and I'll

ask myself okay on the nervous system what like where are you at right now? Are you in sympathetic? Are you in dorsal? Are you in vagal? Like I asked myself and I asked myself what number on the scale and then I'll use a tool to help myself get back to regulation. It is one of my favorite things ever. It just allowed me to see how my body can go out of regulation, which is so normal, but how to bring it back. I love that. I think the nervous system is going to get some really good PR in the next couple of years.

I love the nervous system. I love the nervous system. You know what is not good for my nervous system? Your alarm clock this morning that I will be turning off. Oh my goodness. You want to set an alarm clock, you can go sleep in the other room. I wanted to talk to you about this on there. What is not good for my nervous system your alarm clock this morning that I will be turning off Oh, you want to set an alarm clock you can go sleep in the other room. I wanted to talk to you about I don't want an alarm clock I sleep with my phone like on airplane across the room

We have a long I have to get up and walk to it. Yeah, but like the classic alarm clock noise They're not the like gnarly one. No, he's not allowed to use that. It's the one, it's the bedtime app that slowly wakes you up. It's like a slow... If he used that alarm clock, that's serving papers vibe. The one with the sinking ship? That one is yesterday. No, yeah. We're not doing that.

But I honestly, I think that just waking up naturally would be a lot better for everyone. Yeah, but I mean, okay, in the winter, it's hard when it's so dark out too. Because normally we wake up at the sun, but right now it's like pitch black. Would you do the eight sleep that vibrates to wake you up? Yeah, I love. Wait, mine doesn't vibrate. So you can set the alarm within it. I would love to be vibrated awake. I would love to be vibrated awake. Right, me too. I have that vibrating thing on. It vibrates you? Yes, like a very subtle.

I'll turn that on. She's there. Yeah, it's gentle. Turn that on. You're not going to get me the vibrator? Right. No, you have it. You have it. You've never put that on. Well, you don't have an's gentle. Turn that on. You're not going to get me the vibrator? Right? You have it. You have it. You've never put that on.

Well, you don't have an alarm. You just kind of wake up as you wake up. Oh, we've woken up being vibrated. Well, because I have to get up before the kids. If I get up and they're going and I'm just waking up, it's a total mess. So what time is that for you? Like today, I got up at 630. So that's okay.

Mine's 7. Yeah. And you wake up naturally, no alarm. You can just get up at 7. No so that's pretty crazy. Mine's seven. And you wake up naturally, no alarm. You can just get up at seven. That's amazing. No alarm. But you'll do that when you have kids, because guess what time I'm in bed?

Like nine or eight. Eight. Oh my god. Oh, that's hot. Yeah, that is hot. We were just talking about this last night. I love that. An eight, 830. Love language.

But like asleep by what time? Asleep, ideally, 845. Oh, yeah. Maybe 9 30. Not for me. I'm, I'm asleep. I'm done. Show's over. What is in your wellness toolbox?

Yes. I feel like a recent one that I took from, I just did, I went to the Hoffman Institute. Oh my God. You have to tell us. A lot of people love that. I am forever changed. Did you? So you liked it?

You really seriously loved it. It's not like propaganda vibe. Zero propaganda. It changed my life. Okay, so tell us what, yeah, I know you can't tell us everything. She can't tell us cause I'm going in July. We've had a bunch of people

who are like, nobody said anything bad about it. No, everyone said good. Everyone we know that's gone to it has said good things. I think every human can benefit. Okay. I went in with a lot of intentions around healing my relationship with my mom who passed. But what I got out of it was so much more for myself.

I truly came home to myself. I found tangible tools that I've also taken that I've used every single day. So I got home January 24th. So it's been about a month. And my phone has not entered my bedroom. It stays downstairs on airplane mode. I haven't watched TV since I've gotten back. I've barely been on social media.

Those things in itself. Make you feel so good. Oh my gosh. Did your husband go with you or no? He did not. You can't go with your... You're not allowed to know anyone. Oh, you're not? Oh.

What are you going to do if I go? I know, honestly, Anne-Ther, like. What are you going to do if I go? I know, honestly, Andrew's like, I've had to bring the language into our marriage so that he understands. Oh, I'm sure he loves that. What's the language? Tell me what the language is. Okay, so this is one thing that you are going to love. So they do something called a quadrinity check and I'm not going to give any of the magic because there's so much magic in the unknown for anyone who wants to go But simply put a quadrupedity check that I do every single morning you go through four things

It's your body your intellect your emotional self, which can also be your inner child and your spiritual self So every single morning my meditation goes through all four aspects of self So we go through body intellect emotional, emotional self, spiritual self. Like how you feel in each of those things? Yeah. Yeah, like what is your body trying to tell you right now? What is your intellect trying to tell you? My intellect gets in the fucking way, let me tell you that. Like I have been so intellect-driven for such a majority of my life,

which I now know is me trying to find safety for myself from a very young age. And then my emotional self, this inner child, has been completely neglected. And now all I want to do is anything inner child related. So, I mean, here in Austin, I go wake surfing as often as possible. I made Andrew go rollerblading with me recently. We do dance lessons, we do tennis lessons,

like anything where I can feel like a kid and just show up to have fun, like that is the only goal. Without the phone, which I love. No phone, yeah. So how long do you go? If I went rollerblading right now, oh my god. We can go for playoff. No, we cannot go right now.

Not right now, after, after. Yeah, I'm rolling like a ball down the fucking boardwalk. You are rollerblading, yeah. I crush it on some rollerblades, I hate to say. It's not the coolest thing to say. No, it's cool, it's cool., yeah. I crush it on some rollerblades. I hate to say, it's not the coolest thing to say. No, it's cool. It's cool. Wait, hold on.

How do you, you said you apply this to your marriage. How do you apply this, this four part series? Wait, but quickly, how long did you go to the place? So it's a week. Okay, one week. Yeah, you're there for a week. You are fully unplugged, which I've also never done. So nice.

And now every year I will be unplugging for a week. So nice. Yeah. So how do you apply it to your marriage? I think, okay, first it's for self. And I think that was such a big lesson that I took out of it was, I'm not actually doing this for anyone but me now. And like that could sound selfish,

but I think the better you are, the better your marriage is. A hundred percent agree. So, I mean, Andrew was just reaping the benefits of me doing the damn work. And I check in with myself on all those things every day. And then I get excited about things that I bring into my marriage. But I would say for my marriage specifically, I'm way more present. I'm not bringing my baggage. I'm able to respond and not react as much.

That sounds pretty good, but maybe you should, should go first. I don't want to switch up my own personality. No, I know. Honestly, come back a different woman. Yeah, it's pretty hardcore, but I absolutely loved it. It changed me in the best ways, but I actually don't think it changed my personality. I think I'm just leading with a better part of myself that I had really pushed down. And I think because I was so intellect driven for so long,

like I was success oriented, very career oriented. And when you do that, you're kind of putting your spiritual self to the side and ignoring it versus allowing it to be what drives you and what allows you to make decisions. This is interesting that you bring this up and I wanna talk more about this on the podcast. So I've noticed that a lot of women

who are really driven, like you too, like me, entrepreneurial, there's almost like a resistance to feminine energy. And I've heard a lot of women come on this podcast and be like, I'm delaying having kids, I'm delaying getting married because I'm so focused on my career. How are you both balancing that?

Because I've had a lot of different iterations in my own life with masculine and feminine energy. Yeah, well, I get to be a dad for form. Like that's where I show up with that amount of energy. So when it comes to my marriage, my friendships, my home, like I'm able to be extremely feminine and I'm grateful for that. I'm able to lead with love and I mean I definitely have a lot of love in my work too, but there's a certain level of compassion that is so present at home and in my marriage and I definitely did not put off getting married.

I have traditional values though. Like I do, I wanted to get married as soon as I knew I wanted to get married. And I think my marriage has only allowed me to go that much further in my career because of the support. I'm excited to have kids soon. Like that's definitely a chapter I'm excited to look into.

A lot of women are putting it off. I agree. I notice that. And Lauren, honestly, I have been soon. Like, that's definitely a chapter I'm excited to walk into. A lot of women are putting it off. I agree. And Lauren, honestly, I have been thinking to myself, like, I'd love, and I feel like we need to have a big conversation on this, like, I'd love someone who shows me how to do it all, because I don't think there's enough examples out there of people actually showing you, maybe it's not the balance,

but like the proof of you can have both. Yeah, I think you totally can. And I think that you can, you can pick and choose, like you just said, where you allocate your feminine and masculine. I think it's like, it's almost like a strategy sort of, like you can lean into one in a certain area. I think it's like not even about can have both. I think it's obviously it's possible you can, but I also think that it's,

you're all, everyone's also up against biology and reality. And at some point, if you put it off for too long, you know, then it's, you know, like if you want to, if you want to have. Careful. But I think, I think. People are getting mad. I think, I think Lauren and I realized like, if we want to have multiple children, we had no choice, because we're not the youngest. We had no choice, but to kind of do it all at the same time. For me, like building my tribe and my family is number one. And I think I don't talk about this

enough on this show. It's number one. Like don't get it twisted. Like everyone's like, oh, you're a hustler. You're an entrepreneur. Of course, that's part of my personality. But I'm a fucking octopus. I have tentacles and one of my tentacles is entrepreneurship, but I have a lot of other tentacles and the head is my, my infrastructure of my family. I just think that this conversation needs to be talked about more with really strong women because I don't think it's being talked about enough. And I think women are like, I need to hustle. I need to be ambitious and I'm going to put that off until later. But do you get what I'm saying?

Is like, I guess for us, we knew we wanted to have multiple kids and you know, we started in our early thirties and for that to be possible is like we, there was no choice, but to kind of do it all at the same time with everything else. Like it was just, it was not even like, it was just like, got hit in the face with reality. It's not about balance. It's like you can do it simultaneously. What about you? What's your vibe on that?

Yeah, I think this is I don't know how do I say this. Say it. This is a show. No, I feel like I have a lot of like mixed energy around this. But first to the femininity, I think feminine and masculine actually get like this very this rep that actually isn't true. I think being creative is feminine. So I actually think you're in your feminine a lot, Lauren, as you are,

because as much as your ops, you're being a creative, like you're creating creation as well. So I feel like we're more in our feminine, but we feel like this is masculine. So I think that they have actual different reps that are not true. And then I also think business gets a lot more attention and applaud than being a mom. So I think women go after the respect and wanting to be applauded because I would say I get way more wins for hey you're an entrepreneur look what you're doing with your business rather than wow you got married that's incredible let's talk about that.

It's like the business is the number one thing that I get rewarded for. So I feel like women chase that more because you get way more light and attraction. And I think if you are like, I had to ask myself this, I think being an entrepreneur is easier, even though being a mom and a wife is my number one thing, it was harder for me to go there because I had a lot of blocks and things I needed to

work through. Marrying JT had me step into a lot of places I didn't want to go. I think being a businesswoman was an escape for me in a lot of beautiful ways. Marriage is always what I've wanted, but I've had to step into places that I didn't want to go and I think women aren't ready for that. That's an opinion. I totally, I think you're right. And I think that's why this conversation is so important to have,

because I think, you know, people are waiting and waiting and waiting. And I just think it's important to talk about both sides. Because I've realized that like, even with myself, the image that I've put out there is so entrepreneurial go go go but there's a completely different side of me that I'm not posting because my phone's not up my asshole. We were literally just talking in the car the other day and obviously like now we've had two kids another on the way

and we were both looking for them the realization is there is no perfect time like it's like it's just the time. No there's no perfect time. We've always tried like Lauren and I plan things out. You're like, fuck, I gotta go to the holidays with all these people and I'm pregnant. Or fuck, it's summer and I don't wanna go on a date and see. There's no right time. I think people think that they're gonna arrive at this convenient time where it all... And listen, I do think if you can pay your bills, obviously, and you're in a place where

you have a little bit of financial stability, that's obviously helpful. You can afford help and all that. But in terms of timing and locking with career and all that, there is no perfect time. We have friends that are older than us that delayed, and now their struggle is they have less energy and they got to start to try to do the family. And we have friends that- It's all hard at different ages. You're 21, you have a baby. That's fine. We have siblings that started really young, and that was a- It's all hard. And I had a mentor of mine and I was telling him like,

oh, I got this other kid on the way. And he's like, listen, Michael, whether you have a little money or a lot of money or a shitload of money, the kids take all the money. It doesn't matter. They're taking it all anyway. So like, or the wife does. I think like my big thing is like,

there's no convenient time. I feel like a great question for the women, especially listening that I had to ask myself. Again, I wanted a marriage. I want a family. Asking yourself, am I making this decision from fear or from love? If you are making the decision of not having a baby from fear, then that is something to look at. Because if you're making it from love,

of like it really isn't the right time, like where I'm at, understand. But if it's from fear of like, I need to focus on my career, it needs all my time, I can't do this, I do think it's a understand. But if it's from fear of like, I need to focus my career, needs all my time. I can't do this. I do think it's a moment for you to sit with it and being like, if this is actually what I want, I really can do it all from this place of love. I think that's a great question. It also reframes it.

Like abundance and scarcity. I mean, it's the most challenging thing in the world and we've done hard things, but it's the most rewarding thing. And what I always remind myself for people that are fearful of it's like, this has been done before for thousands and thousands of years with people that have much less, and I'm not talking about financial resources, but I'm just saying like, we live in a time where we have technology and medicine and resources and stability and safety and all that.

Like there, back in the day, you were lucky if your kid made it pass adolescent, like a lot of people had so many kids because the kids just wouldn't make it because of the conditions we lived in. So, I don't know. I mean, like, yes, it's hard. Yes, it's challenging. Everyone's under different circumstances. But it is the most rewarding thing.

And I think it's worth it to explore for everybody. That was a little fun tangent. I loved it. You guys have both been really open about your challenges while you've been present online What has that been like and why did you both decide to open up about any of the things you were experiencing or struggling with? Mmm. I mean my gut punch on that was it accidentally happened to me. I started kind of showing, you know, I've had this journey with weight loss and Oh, my mom died suddenly. oh, I mean, whatever it was.

It was kind of just like something I blurted out because it is my story, and then people want it more. And then people want it more. And then people want it a lot more. And I think for me, I have so many passions in life, but I have found such a purpose in making people not feel alone in their hardest moments and in their hardest days.

And the fact that people can now look at me, whether it's from my weight loss journey or through my grief and see the face of someone who did it and see what's possible for them, because I never even thought this was possible for myself. That to me keeps me going. And that to me is the answer to say yes, to speak about it on a podcast or to try to make a reel

that gives like a little bit of that feeling. And yeah, I would say I do it for the collective. Like I want people to feel seen. I want people to feel loved, and I want everyone to know that whatever they desire in this life is possible. I feel like I'm kind of the girl who has had to earn it a little bit more. Like, I've always had to go the extra step.

I'm almost walking through life with, like, ankle weights on. Like, it hasn't always been easy, but I've learned the grit that's allowed me to live the life that I do. And you know what? I am running my dream company alongside my best friend. I am in a marriage that is the happiest, healthiest thing. I could not love, I know Andrew loves you, Lauren.

I need to thank him. I feel like you guys really hit it off at Dear Me to IRL. Just like every facet of my life has really, really benefited from me doing the work. And I just want everyone to look at myself and see what's possible for them. Why did you decide to open up about your mom specifically and how are you handling the grief? Has Hoffman really helped with that? Hoffman definitely helped with it. And, you know, that was my number one intention of going in, but I got so much more for myself out of that.

I think Hoffman helped me find compassion for my mom. My mom was an alcoholic, and my entire childhood, I was asking her, like, why, why, why, why, why? Like, why can't you just, like, be like the normal moms? Like, why? Why are you showing up this way? And it was really difficult. And she died from the reason that I always thought she would. And that was a really harsh reality check for me

two years ago. And it was really hard for me to find compassion, for me to accept that, for me to be able to do those things to forgive her. And I realized when I started talking about my mom that it was healing. It was really healing. And you know, before she died, I wouldn't even tell people she was an alcoholic.

Like it was something that I felt was hers to share and I didn't want to speak poorly on her name. And you know what, it's actually a part of my story too, and I'm not alone in that. There's a lot of people who struggle. And the more I talk about it, the more I deeply heal and I can own it in a way that becomes this tangible thing that pushes me forward and projects me into exactly where I know I want to go versus what's holding me back from doing everything I want to do. I think you become like a real adult when you start to have empathy and compassion for your

parents and their childhood and what they went through and their experience and then you then you become a parent and then you're like oh oh wait, this is really hard. I can understand why this could have happened. And I needed to do that before I brought life into this world. And I've known that. Like a lot of people, I've been married, it's almost two years now. My mom died three and a half months before my wedding.

So it's a similar timeline. I have had really direct and open conversations with Andrew of I need to heal this within me before I bring a human life into this world. And I'm so grateful that I get to sit here and say, I fucking did it. And yeah, I mean, my mom was once also just a kid trying to figure it out.

Yeah. And I can hold so much compassion for her, so much acceptance. And I fully forgive her for everything that I had to deal with based on what her life amounted to. Do you... I... The audience is gonna get mad because I say this because it's like my best tip.

Do you consume Louise Hay? Because a lot of the things are... How to heal your life. Yeah. It's a lot of like... It's that energy. You know, I've never actually read it. It's one of those... My favorite thing. I read it like five times a year.

Because Melissa Woodhound also loves, I mean, you two are such vision holders for me. And I feel like if you both love it, I need to read it. And it's something, you know, when something keeps repeating itself as a recommendation for you. So now I'll officially read it. I think you'll like it.

Cause a lot of the things, your pillars are very aligned with that. She has one of the most soothing voices. If you guys like meditation, it's like. I turned on the meditation. The whole house goes to sleep. Everyone's like, ah. I love that.

That's what we need in the play. Everyone's like. She bought like one of those vintage tape recorders with the tapes. No, here's my theory. I bought it. I haven't talked about this yet. I bought a tape recorder and a CD player

because I don't want my phone by my bed, by my ear. I want it out of the bedroom, even on airplane mode. I want it away from me. So I got the tape. A lot of people are listening, like, what the hell is a CD player? Wait, they have tape? The tape was found on eBay, used. Oh, wait, I'm obsessed with this.

And I got the CD too and I listen to it every night and my kids love it. It's like, it's very relaxing. But that meditation, the evening one is so amazing and it talks about your parents. You would like it. Okay. So everyone go by, you better go fast. Remember back in the day when you drive in the car

with the giant CD books? Yeah. You had the giant CD books. Oh, I miss them. I still have my families. I love those. And you burn them off the computer and you're like, put your songs.

That was like how you like tried tried to hook up with me. I made you CDs back in the day. Would you make her a mixtape? You would make me CDs. You had a new fan, Glory, all the songs, you wrote out which one. Yeah, that's what you had. There was no making a playlist. Back in the day, you had to download it from some sketchy platform.

When I got in your car, you were like, don't sit on my CDs. And there was a huge trapper keeper of your CDs. And then you were like trying to show off. And I was like, I don't know. I remember back in the day, you went and bought DVDs. And then you were real fancy if you had the no skip CD player. Mm-hmm.

Remember Blockbuster? I miss her. Of course. What about you, Sammy? How have you decided to open up about challenges, struggles on social media? So I've been in this game for 10 years. So when I think about when I first started, it felt very...

natural for me, like, intuitive. I just felt like I really did want to... I don't know, I felt like I was FaceTiming a friend when I started posting on stories and Instagram. Like, I really did. I did not have the moment of like, I don't, I care what my friends think. Like, I really did. I did not have the moment of like, I don't, I care what my friends think. Like, I just was really connecting online

with the girls. Even if it was like five girls talking back to me, I really felt seen. And in LA, you can kind of feel a little alone. And I felt like I was connecting to people. So, from the beginning, I felt intuitively like I wanted to be really sharing and be really true. I had a really intense skin journey I struggled with acne for six years and like intense cystic acne and this is when I was the most in front of a camera

So I was you know filming YouTube videos and it was just straight face of acne and that was probably my most vulnerable time To try and hide that and instead I had to choose to show that So it felt like it almost was happening again for me of like, are you ready to share this thing that so many girls struggle with? And every time I shared a part of me, I just felt so much closer to humanity. I'm like, this is why I'm here. I'm here to connect. And ever since then, I feel like there's days, like I'll say right now,

there's things that I'm processing in my life, like deep, deep, deep work that I'm going through. I think it's because I'm wanting to be a mom and I think there's a lot that's like, I think my babies are like, all right, can you just do this and then we're ready to come in? And the work that I'm doing right now, I keep telling people, like I also now as an adult know, I need to feel safe in my body to share it. So I haven't shared everything that I've been working through. That's like adult me knowing that that's really smart for me to do, cause I have shared a lot in the past

that I did feel like wasn't ready to be shared. And it felt like people were involved in my life in a way that wasn't actually fair. What do you mean? Just like personal things that I'm going through. Like if I'm going through a dark time and I like share like, hey, I'm really struggling and like talk about it, the comments or the people saying like, assuming what they think it is,

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people telling you to get the fuck off. Then there's people cheering and then there's like the little girl who's really sweet and it's just like an audience of the circus. And you just have to like understand that that's the audience that that social media is you're going to get all different kinds of personalities. To step out of it. Like I, you know, what we do and working with the people we work with and talking to the people we talk to you cross a lot of paths with some people that start to

think that like, that's the reality. You see this all the time in the news. Like people that watch the news all the time, they think like that's the normal world. I'm like, well, just go outside and I guarantee you someone's not gonna scream in your face. I mean, maybe once in a while. Yeah, no, it's so true.

You know, like you start to believe that that's the reality and you lose context of like the actual real world. And if you, you know, like Lauren and I put a lot out there but we're actually like very private with the most important things like our family life, our relationship, like personal things with our. I feel like you guys are like that too. You know what I mean? Like, sometimes people think like they need to share every single aspect.

I don't think that's healthy. See, that's what I learned. I think in the beginning I was sharing my butthole. Like I was like, I was like, let's just share it all. Pull that up part time. Not actually my butthole. Where is your butthole? Pull up, partner. Not actually my butthole. Where is your butthole? Pull out the clip.

But meeting, I just was like, I would pull up that camera. Like it was FaceTime with my girlfriend, which I think is where I got this crazy community. And there was just a point where I was like, there is time for privacy and time for me to actually separate that a little bit. And I think that got a little blurred. That's okay though.

You can pivot your relationship. Yes. 10 years later. Yeah. That's it. It's, it's a process. Can you imagine being like 13? I don't know.

If I, I mean, I mean, we were talking to somebody. They literally would have seen my butthole. I mean, yeah. Actually, we were talking to somebody the Live all day long. The other day, it was like a prominent creator and personality. And they were explaining this thing to me about TikTok and then, and like how TikTok matters. And listen, I'm sure it matters and it's important. It's a tool and all that.

But at the same time, I was like looking around, I'm like, I don't care at all about what anyone on TikTok is saying or thinking, I don't ever go on there and read it, and so what the point is, is it's not that one way is better than the other, but like her whole world is based on what is going on on TikTok. And then I'm like, well, there's this whole other world that's like not paying attention to anything that's going on there. And like, you can be in both.

Yeah. You know what I mean? But if you start, if you, if you start to believe that that's the total reality that you live in, I think that could be very dangerous for people. I could not agree more. I feel like in LA, I feel this, I'm in a bubble. And then you go outside the bubble and you're like, oh, there is a whole other planet. And it grounds me so much to be like, you need to step outside

of that bubble to come back to actually what really is in the social media reality. I think that's self-aware. One of the most shocking things to me was, you know, we moved here during COVID. Some people liked that, some people didn't. Half the company, as you know, we moved here during COVID. So people liked that, some people didn't. Half the company, as you know, is still in LA or in office,

you know, a lot of people, and half is here. And I felt like I lived in two different worlds because I would go back and forth. And I'm not commenting on one or the other, but it was just so different. But you would just, it was like the people that were there had a total blind spot to what was going on here. And the people here had a total blind spot to what was going on here and the people here had a total blind spot what was going on there. It just gave me this context of like, oh, if you don't step outside of your bubbles, you can be totally blind to huge parts of the world.

And I think that's like the danger with social media is a lot of people are like, they get so focused on what's going on online that they forget, like we live primarily offline. I'm gonna play this clip when I send you my link to Budapest. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm going to play this clip when I send you my link to Budapest. I don't know what you're talking about. I want to go to Budapest.

And you were like, I don't know if we're going to be going to Budapest anytime soon. That's what you said to me. I'm pretty sure we're not. So I need to step out of Austin. Right. We got to shift the perspective. And I need to go to Budapest.

Where is Budapest? I have no idea. We will maybe consider... It looks amazing though. We will consider going if you know. I feel like I don't know much to Budapest. Where is Budapest? I have no idea. I don't know. It looks amazing though. We will consider going if you know. I feel like I don't know much about Budapest. You just said step out of your bubble. Let's go to Budapest. Well, I'm saying you could like step out of your bubble

and like maybe take like an hour flight instead of a. I wanna go to Budapest. Can't wait. What do you guys think makes a high performer and how do you apply that to your own life? A high performer. I think... Do you guys do any, like, personality test stuff?

Like Enneagram, Myers-Brey's? No, you gotta tell us what to do. We've done it before. I feel like we need, like, a refresh. So my Enneagram is literally the achiever. Well, I would pick that for you, though. Yeah, like, I think a lot of this is just innate. And I think when you figure out who you are

and then you set yourself up for success within how you were brought into this world, instead of trying to play into a role that's not fit for you, I think Sammy and I are experts at doing what we're good at. And that's where we are able to be high performers. That's a very, very, very good tip. Yeah. What you just said. We're different high performers. When's a very, very, very good tip. Yeah.

What you just said. We're different high performers. When you look at us, she is the achiever and I would not get that at all. She's like so type A. When I think of performer, I think of someone that you think of like Sam. And when I think of myself, I'm a high performer,

but when I think of high performer, I'm like creative and way different than a spreadsheet. Or even as disciplined in areas that you are. We're very different in how we're disciplined, but you're a high performer in the way that you're true to yourself. So as long as you're true to yourself, I think you're the highest performer. Someone showed me a spreadsheet before this and I was like, ah! I was like, what?

I'm like, no! See, I go in there and I'm like fixing formulas. Show me the Instagram and show me the girl. I'm like, no. See, I go in there and I'm like fixing formulas. Show me the Instagram and show me like, show me like the girl. I need to see it. It's so like not the way. You know what's interesting though? I think I got so caught up in being the spreadsheet girl that I didn't actually allow my spirit to shine.

Well, you need to get rid of those spreadsheets and let your spirit shine. I want my spirit to shine. I said once in a while you need a spreadsheet. Once in a while. I do agree. Like I think I, my rid of those spreadsheets and let your spirit shine. I want my spirit to shine. Once in a while you need a spreadsheet, once in a while. I do agree. I think my comfort zone is spreadsheets because I'm good at them, but what challenges me is actually stepping into a lane where I can speak my truth and I can share my own story.

That's not normal for me. I was raised to kind of just like, yeah, achieve, perform and do as I'm told and now I'm finding a lot of joy and a lot of passion and purpose in speaking my truth in ways that haven't really been that role that I've just been playing this whole time. I think to your point what the advice I would give entrepreneurs is that use what you're good at and what you feel good at as a child

to get you to where you wanna be, but know when it's time to change. Meaning like for me, it was saying yes to everything for like eight years. That was like my go-to. And then at eight years, it switched and I had to say no. And I don't, you know, yours, it sounds like it's like you're an achiever in the spreadsheets and this,

but also know when it's time to change to up level. Does that make sense? You have to like almost have a pivot. I think that's actually some of the best advice because changing your mind can feel so wrong or feel like if you said, this is me, you put yourself in this identity and then through a business, let's say,

you actually wanna pivot and you wanna change, it can feel so uncomfortable and it can feel so wrong, but really that is like where the true growth is. So I think if you can go in, if you wanna be a high performer of like, I wanna be wrong, I wanna change my mind, I wanna change my mind like four times in a week. Like, I also think this like chain too, it has to be,

you know, the exact same or exactly what I said. Like, I feel like we live in a world where we should beautifully be changing our mind constantly. Like if I said something on this podcast today, I would love if tomorrow I actually had a different opinion on it. It's not that revolutionary, but for some reason, like people hold you to it. People will be like, well, you said in 2010 on your blog, I'm like, I have

changed and evolved and I've changed my mind and that's okay. It's so, it's a whole mistake to you. But you know, like, I think sometimes too, I was talking to a very, what would be considered creative friend of mine. Like I'm talking like this guy can get lost in design and art and like a million things. Like he's like a little, like a modern day Picasso, but I was talking to him. He's like, he's like, yeah, just because I'm so creative doesn't mean I don't have a business mind. And he's been able to build fabulous businesses.

He was saying like, what happens with a lot of quote unquote creatives is they tell themselves, oh, I'm a creative. And so they negate like all of the other stuff around the business and they end up not ever being able to build anything for themselves as a career. And then on the reverse of it is sometimes people that are more like quote unquote spreadsheet focus, this was me for awhile, you say, I'm not creative. And then you kind of like disable yourself from looking at creative. Like what I think now it's not the same kind of creativity as Lauren, but the

way you're either able to weave businesses together or organizations or structure things. Like, there's a creative art to that as well. But I think we do a good job of saying, like, I'm one or the other. And it creates situations where sometimes then people limit their potential. Yeah, we're not meant to live in a box.

We're not meant to live in a box. And I think anything that feels authentic to you, run with it. And change when you need to, but at least give it a try. We're gonna do rapid fire questions. What is your go-to coffee order? Oat cappuccino.

What kind of milk? Oat milk. Oat milk cappuccino. Really? I love whole milk, but only cold. It heated up like kind of tastes weird to me. So I know oat milk's getting a bad rep. I mean, if I could get homemade cashew milk done, but when I go to a place, it's a cappuccino with oat milk.

You're all, if I could have a cow like squirt it into my coffee from its nipple, that would be a fantastic dream. That's literally my dream. I know. So I'm a raw milk girlie, which I know. You're a raw milk girlie. But when I'm out, I'll do whole milk

and I'll do matcha with a lot of cinnamon. No coffee. I'll do coffee when I, I prefer matcha when I'm out. Okay, do whole milk and I'll do matcha with a lot of cinnamon. No coffee. I'll do coffee when I... I prefer matcha when I'm out. Okay. A lot of cinnamon and what? And then a little honey if it's like a treat. Okay.

Yeah. What is some... Sorry, Michael, go to sleep for a minute. What do you guys eat? What if I actually just went to sleep? He's like, go to the bathroom. What if I just like laid down? I'm actually fine with it if you guys don't care.

What are you guys both eating in a day? What's a day of eating? Walk us through that. If you go chicken girl. Okay. Yeah, if I were a food, I'd be a rotisserie chicken. I eat so much chicken. Like so much chicken.

A rotisserie chicken. I love rotisserie. Because it's a great weight loss tip too. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah. And I go to Whole Foods and I get the pulled rotisserie chicken. I love rotisserie. It's a great weight loss tip too. Oh, it's amazing. And I go to Whole Foods and I get the pulled rotisserie chicken that just has salt and pepper, little bit of salt, little bit of pepper. It's already pulled off all the bones.

It's already pulled off. I eat about five pounds a week because I make my order per week. I love it just in a bowl. Sometimes I'll throw in some veggies, sometimes I don't. I love chicken. So you'll eat chicken all day, like even for breakfast? I'm talking like all day.

Okay, okay, let's start. Typically I'm intermittent fasting. If I'm in luteal or depending on my phase, I will have breakfast. If I'm having breakfast, it's either a protein shake or eggs. I'm protein, protein, protein. Overall, I'm low carb, high protein. Lunch is a ton of chicken.

OK. I got to go try this chicken. Just get the chicken. With really good olive oil, too. And then if I'm not going to add olive oil, add like a little raw cheese and some avocado. I want some healthy fats in there. I crave it.

It's all I want. Your skin, you can tell you eat healthy fat. Thank you. It's the first thing I noticed. So dinner is where I get to have fun. And Andrew, if Andrew didn't run a business, he'd be a chef. So I lucked out.

He makes me the most gourmet meals. Whatever I'm craving. Skip over this part. Whatever I'm craving, Michael, listen up. Yeah, Michael, take a little note. He will literally ask me like, what flavors? I mean, Sam had dinner with us last night. He was like, what flavors do you want tonight?

And we're like, Mediterranean. Okay, we come home to beautiful chicken, a full chopped Greek salad, and like a protein pasta on the side. Oh my god. So dinner is where I become a queen, and Andrew is the chef that I love. Can't have it all, Lauren. Can't have it all.

You guys can come over and you can experience Andrew's. What? I don't think I will. Now it's going to make me look bad, so now I'm not coming over and you can experience. I don't think I will. Now that it's going to make me look bad. So now I'm not coming over. It's okay. JT doesn't try. What's your day in the life of eating? Okay.

Breakfast is my favorite meal. I wake up starving. So I'm like, I wake up. Do you really? Yeah. Yeah. I wake up so hungry. Bone broth first.

If I could make my own, I would, but too much time. Maybe one day. So I like, I think it's called Bear Method or Bear something, and it's a powder and you just put it with hot water. It has the best flavor. I feel like kettle fire was a little too weak for me. So that's my favorite bone broth.

I'll drink that first. And then I will have, if I'm gonna go do a workout, then I will just have like a banana and a scoop of nut butter. That's like my pre-workout energy. But if I'm not working out first thing, then I will either have like eight eggs with some cheese, a little bit. Eight?

Yeah. That's a good, that's a good egg order. They just said high cholesterol is actually going to be a good thing. Japanese study came out. Wow. I eat a lot of eggs too. So I love eggs. Eggs with what?

I'll do it with cheese, like a little bit of cheese. I'm now back in dairy. I actually haven't had dairy in a long time, but this year we're bringing her back. And then a half of an avocado. And then sometimes I'll have bread if I'm gonna do a really hard workout. So I'm training for a marathon right now, the New York Marathon.

So it's my first marathon. So I'm actually having to eat a lot more. So this is still like kind of my normal, but I feel like I'm getting more protein right now and more carbs, because I'm so hungry. I thought I was pushing it with six eggs. Eight eggs is, that's impressive. Oh yeah. I mean, JT's at like 10 to 13. I'm like chef right now and more carbs because I'm so hungry. I thought I was pushing it with six eggs. Eight eggs is impressive.

Oh yeah, I mean JT's at like 10 to 13. Wow. In one sitting? I'm like chefing it up. Yeah. We have just like a bowl of eggs and it's not cute. You're eating chicken. Man, you guys are rich. Egg prices are up these days. Actually, LA is having like an out of stock of... Oh, is it everywhere? Yeah, it's a thing. Oh, I didn't know.

Listen, you're seeing people from a place of privilege. People are going to come at you for how many eggs you have. I mean. Let them. Yeah. Let them. And then let me keep cooking them. And then for a snack, I'll have like a chomp stick, a Greek yogurt with frozen blueberries, the almond butter from, or peanut butter from, I think it's called

cocoa, gosh, it's blue, it's like cocoa butter. It is unbelievable. They put cinnamon, maple syrup in it. It is to die for, so I'll drizzle that. And when your blueberries are frozen, it gets hard. So the nut butter gets like really hard on it. Now it's sexual. Sorry.

But that is like so, so yummy. Too bad you guys aren't married. I have a lot of guys to introduce you to. Yeah, so far I've said butthole and I've been... What guys are you gonna choose that's cooking Mediterranean salads and... I have a couple. Just listen to Sam talk about Greek yogurt drizzled in hard nut butter. You don't have one guy that's doing what Dandruff's doing.

I have a couple guys that make some pancakes. No, none of our dusty friends are doing that. Go ahead. That can make pancakes. No, no. Okay, and then for lunch, I like so easy. So I'll meal prep on Sunday usually. I love an easy bowl.

Sam actually told me the rotisserie chicken trick. So I'll literally just take that, put cucumber, tomato salad with avocado and a little bit of rice. Again, I love carbs. I'll drizzle olive oil on it. I've always been a carbs girl. So that's something that I know about myself.

It gives me so much energy and then lots of protein. And then another snack I'll have is usually apples and peanut butter, apples and almond butter. And then for dinner I'll do either like a one pot. I'm like actually don't love cooking so I'm not like Andrew and JT doesn't really love it either so I try to do like a one pot dish. So either like a chili, a stew, a soup, something like that. So my steak soup is my favorite, so easy. Or my chili. And then for dessert, I'll have like a Hugh Kitchen bar or these protein bowls that we make.

I'm assuming a lot of these things are on you guys' app too, right? Yeah, so Forma's all nutrition too. Yeah. If our audience was to start with one form workout, leave us with that and maybe, I didn't even ask you this, but maybe we can do a code. Yeah.

You're gonna say you could show us. I was like, sure. Oh no. You don't want me to. You don't want me to. You don't want me to. I'll just show you right now. We do have prenatal, postnatal, and a deep pelvic floor. Okay, I'll look at that. I'm keegling every second.

Oh, cool. You gotta keegle after three hits. Yeah. That's what Kailin says too, our trainer. Which workout would you start with and maybe you can give a code to the audience? Definitely have a code. I feel like workout we can start with. We have strength or Pilates. So I feel like we also have literally halfway through as strength or Pilates. But I would recommend a strength workout. Is there a specific one?

We have a beginner section or like a start here section. But to be honest, something I pride myself in as a trainer is I want everyone to feel included. So my mom throughout COVID, she's 62 years old. She was doing the workouts right next to me. So I was modifying throughout the entire workout. Like I'm giving the advanced and I'm also giving the modifications. So I love for everyone to be able to join in. So I really think you can step into any workout unless it says like advanced on it. It really is for all levels. Okay.

I would say my favorites are 28 minute upper body superset. I'm an upper body girl, which I think is not everyone's favorite. I love the way it feels to lift heavy on my upper body. That is my go-to. I probably do it once a week even even though we have hundreds, if not a thousand workouts at this point. You like that one. I keep going back to her. I really love her. And I mean, this one knows. But overall, I

think like what we hear from the entire form community is that one, it feels amazing to be a part of the community is everything, to have that support. And then also you can get a really effective workout in at home in 30 minutes or less. And before Form, I was someone who was trying any and every workout and fell in love with Sammy and her method. And we now have multiple trainers, multiple types of programming.

We do gym programming now. We have prenatal, postnatal. Like we do the works. But to actually crush a workout at home and feel even better than a workout you do in person, I feel like people don't come by that anymore. I think it's great. It's also like time, time, time, time.

You don't have to go anywhere. It's 30 minutes or less. Code skinny. Yeah, code skinny, joinform.com. Yes. They get 20% off. Skinny 30, right? So skinny is 20% off annual

or skinny 30 if you want a free month, depending on. So you guys can use code skinny at joinform.com for 20% off an annual membership or code skinny30 for a month free. That is so nice of a monthly membership. Where can everyone find you guys? Tell us about your podcast. Leave us with where to ask you DMs. This was so fun.

You can find me at Sammy Spaltzer and then forms at form, our podcast with Dermotas at Transform. And then you can find me across the board at Sammy Clark. And this was so awesome. Thank you guys for having us. Thanks for coming on. That was so fun. That was a whirlwind.

We went everywhere.