The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Shawn Johnson East & Andrew East On Reinvention, Relationship Advice, & Building A Purpose Driven Life

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

#985: Join us as we sit down with Shawn Johnson East and Andrew East – former elite athletes, entrepreneurs, bestselling authors, and parents of three. Olympic gold medalist Shawn Johnson East and former NFL athlete Andrew East have continued their success story beyond sports; sharing the unfiltered realities of marriage, parenthood, and entrepreneurship to their digital community. Together, they host the hit podcast Couple Things and recently co-authored, The Courage to Commit. In this episode, Shawn and Andrew open up about navigating major identity shifts after their athletic careers, building a business together while raising a young family, creating healthy boundaries between work and home, and why persistence has been the driving force behind every chapter of their lives. They also share their approach to communication, commitment, personal growth, and we dive into what it truly takes to build a lasting partnership – both in business and in marriage.   For Detailed Show Notes visit TheBossticks.com   To connect with Shawn Johnson East click HERE   To connect with Andrew East click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   This Episode is sponsored by Woo More Play Meet the only fruit that eats back. Shop now at https://woomoreplay.com/discount/skinny and use code SKINNY for 20% off all products.   This episode is sponsored by LOAM Visit http://loamscience.com and use code SKINNY20 for 20% off.   This episode is sponsored by Chilipad by Sleepme Visit http://sleep.me/skinny to get your Chilipad and save up to $255 off a new Chilipad2.0 with code skinny.   This episode is sponsored by Opill Opill is birth control in your control, and you can use code SKINNY for 25%t off your first month of Opill at http://Opill.com.   This episode is sponsored by Truvia If you're looking for a better way to enjoy sweetness with zero calories per serving, you really need to try the new Truvia® Allulose Plus Stevia Sweetener & Monk Fruit Sweetener—available online and nationwide at Kroger, Target and your favorite local grocery retailer   This episode is sponsored by Square Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at http://square.com/go/skinny! #squarepod   This episode is sponsored by Boll & Branch Sleep cooler this summer with Boll & Branch during their Annual Summer Event. For a limited time, get 20% off sitewide at http://BollAndBranch.com/skinny with code skinny. Exclusions apply.   This episode is sponsored by Tuckernuck Visit http://tnuck.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off your first purchase. Produced by Dear Media

Welcome to the Bostics, starring Lauren Bostic and Michael Bostick. Together, they are the Bostics. So why did you guys decide to start a podcast as a couple? Because that's what crazy people do. It's what crazy people do. We spend every week and second together. Well, do you want the actual story? Yes, give us the actual story.

I got pregnant with our first child, our daughter, Drew, and seven days. Was it seven days? That's about right. Seven days after I gave birth, he started the podcast. He launched it. Just by yourself? We never talked about doing it. He launched, no, no, with no, with no episode.

What do you mean? You just launched it by yourself? He came up with the name. He came up with a concept, and he launched it. And he said, he's sent out on Apple Podcast. He's like, we're starting a podcast. I didn't really know about this. This is a great marriage.

This probably sent us in therapy. Mistakes were made. Yeah. Mistakes were made. It charted. So then we had no choice but to, like, do the thing. I was so pissed. I was so mad.

But weren't you excited that it charted that way? People were excited for you guys to do a show. Yeah, but I was most part of my first kid. Michael. I was like, you have, you sound, she was seven days postpartum. I was. Michael. It was crazy.

But I will say it's like our favorite thing that we do now because we get to have like actual real conversations with people, which is really cool. And we talked about relationships. Well, we were talking before we started about like just some of the mutual friends we have. And I'm sure if we start to like go down the list, The reason that we started doing this and why we like it so much is because we get to meet so many incredible people.

I mean, like, we wouldn't be sitting here with you guys without the show. And it's been like a real, everyone tries to go to these networking events and do these things. That's so uncomfortable for me to stand around with the cocktail and they'll be like, oh God, hopefully someone talks to me. But this, you get to basically go to anyone with any platform,

say, hey, do you want to come talk about whatever you're doing for hour or two hours? Yeah. Tell them about the text that you got sent today about what, your friend said about them. Oh, no. Well, he said a lot.

I don't want to blow Carter. Carter's going to listen to this. I don't want to blow them up too much. It's very nice. Very nice. I'm going to paraphrase it for you guys. And like I said, before we started the show, it's like we have so much on you guys because you guys have such extensive careers.

Like most people come in and they're a one trick pony and it's easy. I can just stick with them and say, okay, like, you know, what did you do? You guys have done so much. But basically what we were talking about is, one, it's crazy that you guys have had the careers you've had in professional sports and just being athletes. But then you've also been able to transition that and build real businesses. You've become real investors. You've built a family together. You've stayed in a successful marriage. That's not common, right? There's not a lot of people that have done all of those things and checked all those boxes and have done it gracefully

and successfully over long periods of time. What do you think the secret is to that? I don't know if there were ever boxes before, but when we were younger, I don't think we aspired to do a podcast or be investors. It was, I think, I think if we've done anything well, it's being present with what's in front of us and trying to focus on that and do that really well. And then, you know, as you guys know, as well as anybody, your podcast grows. And then there's other opportunities that maybe their distractions or maybe their natural growth pass. And I think we've kind of just stepped into things that have come our way and have made sense. And it's, it's been a fun ride so far. How do you differentiate the distractions from what's worth it? What's the funnel?

You have to filter everything for what actually matters to you. Yeah. I feel like the world tries to tell us what's important and it's really noisy and the world's pretty convincing. But you have to take a step back and say like, but what actually matters to like us. And if you can keep that filter on, it makes it a lot easier to say yes and no to things and stick with things. Well, I think also because of the athletic background, there's probably a focus that a lot of people don't have. Have you guys had conversations now that you've obviously been in a long relationship about your childhood? And were they similar? Like, was there something your parents were put in each of your cereals that were enable you to this greatness?

Or was it different? Or did you guys have similar parents, similar upbringings, or not? Not dissimilar. Sean was an only child. I'm the middle of five. Yeah. I mean, she is like so high. gifted physically and gymnastics-wise she like was an all-star and stand out from my

understanding at a very young age I was you know I had to be a little more scrappy with my athletic career but I think fortunately both of our parents were very balanced as far as their approach to like youth sports and and introducing us to athletics nowadays I feel like there's a lot of parents who are trying to force kids into getting involved in sports and earning a college scholarship and I'm trying to do it all for you. And it was all like kind of passion. So your parents weren't turbocharged making you guys do these things?

Never. What do you guys think of the moms and dads at school that are turbo charging their kids? I want to say calm down. Oh my gosh. But I get it. I mean, I don't know. We have similar age kids. It's like I want my kid to find a passion and I want to provide opportunities for them.

I want them to get involved. Like, you know, we try to introduce our kids to a lot of different things. It's a fine line between like introducing. and forcing and then it gets confusing sometimes. And it's also super exciting to watch your kid be good at something. So you're like, oh, dude, game on. Let's go. We have already learned firsthand and we've done it wrong already where like I will openly

say this. I burnt one of our children from like a passion that they had because I drink the Kool-Aid. And I, if this makes sense, like I had a coach kind of scout a kid of ours, say we need to fast track them, we need to do this. They need to be in a different class. They need, you know. And as a parent, you know, I wasn't. I've seen this in coaching.

I am a coach. I've dealt with this type of issue and it's all kind of BS. And I remember I bought into it. And I put this kid, one of our kids, you know, in the fast track. And within a month, they were like, I'm done. What was it a sport? So it wasn't gymnastics. So it just pushed them so hard that they didn't want to play the game anymore.

It just took it from being fun. from being a passion to being serious and no kid needs to do something serious yet. You know, we had this, I've been playing tennis recently because I can't do the physical things I used to do when I was younger and I was like, tennis seems like a good game. You can play with your wife and I'm like, even though now I'm getting into it. I'm like, I'm going to get hurt. But I was with this coach and his daughter is going pro. And I was asking, I'm like, oh, how did you get your daughter so into tennis?

And he said when she was little, he would bring her. And as soon as she was done, he'd like, okay, you're done. And if she would, when she was excited about it, she did it. But as soon as she wanted to stop, you stopped, but then if she wanted to come back in after stop, she said, no. So what had happened is it, like, taught the daughter to be excited about being in it when she was in it. And then when she was out of it, he didn't like let her come back into it. So it was like this thing where the dog, it was like almost like a reverse psychology where he didn't burn her out, but he got her excited about playing when when she wanted to. And so then it just became her passion and her interest.

But I think to your point, a lot of parents, like I stopped playing golf. when I was a kid because my dad was like, golf, golf, golf, carry the bag. I'm like, I hate this game. And now to this day I don't play because it was like, I just got pushed into it too much. You know what I mean? We're seeing it with our kids already

in different sports and different activities, like these burning passions that each kid has and very different things. And so we've just found that our job now is to say, I'm so excited for you. How can I help you? I think that's a great tip. Yeah.

It takes the pressure off of it. Yeah. There's also this pressure with school too. Oh, yeah. Like, it's, it's, I'm like, she's five. Yeah. Like, you have to give people space to figure out what they like and what they don't like. And what I definitely don't want to do is project my own thing, like, but what I like onto my kids.

That's also hard. Not to be like, you know, when I was five, I wanted to be the star. But like, that's not, I don't need to project that. And that's hard sometimes as a parent. How do you guys think about parenting? and podcasting and all these things you're doing together with the show. What's the balance? We've learned a lot through failures over the years.

I mean, we're now seven years in the podcast, 10 years into doing like YouTube videos. We'll put out something like 800 videos a year. Wow. It's a lot of content. Like vlogging? Yeah. Yes.

It used to be vlog. It's changed as the platform has changed. Blogs used to be huge. Shareable home videos is kind of like what we. That's a lot of content. though guys. We do a lot of content, but that's a lot, 800 videos. Yeah, you guys crank. But honestly, our drive has kind of been rooted in like curiosity and I feel like we've continued to learn a lot and that's kind of how we've navigated through things. It's not been like, hey, let's, what trendy

video can we capitalize on and like get as many views? It's like, no, we're going to have fun doing this and we're learning because of this. So that's kind of been our guiding light. And our balance with our kids, we have like pretty clear boundaries with time constraints and stuff at home. really put together, as you guys know, when you are your own bosses, you could work all day and all night and it's never enough. But we have really clear boundaries of like when work starts and when it's over and when we're home as parents, but when we're home as CEOs. And, you know, we really try to make it so that our priority on our schedule shows that we prioritize our family and our kids over everything else. Can you guys share just selfishly what the boundaries are?

Yeah. Just since we got out of school, time I know our school boundaries the best if that makes sense. Summer just started. So we're in we're in la la land right now. But like we would start, we would drop our kids off at school. And then my work schedule would be nine to three. So by the time my kids get home, I'm full mom. I'm no longer working.

And then Andrew will work until five. So my, our kids know that when daddy's in the office at home that you can't go in there. Like he's working. It's very like, if I even walk into the office, I'm no longer a husband and wife, but we're, you know, business partners. So we have those boundaries. And then boundaries as far as like what we post and how we post, we also don't work on the weekends with our kids. Sundays are, we call them the Day of Delight. Yeah.

We do pasta night, Saturday night, burger night, Friday. But like, we're pretty regimented with our weekly and daily schedules. It's been good. Yeah. You have to put boundaries around it. Yeah. Anything that you do with your phone. Sundays, this day of delight, we don't do like phones on the weekend or on Sundays.

We don't really have rules around our phones, but I will say we're very blessed. Our kids go to a school where they are so forward thinking and technology and how it affects children that my daughter will even come home and be like, Mommy, I have learned about the iPhone and I've learned that it can distract you and I learned it can take too much attention and it can hurt your brain. And she'll be the first one to call me out and be like, I think you're on it right now too much. And I'm like, great. Okay, putting it away. That's a good check. I don't know if you guys have encountered this, though.

Like, it is, it's almost like a temptation to always want to do more. Always like, hey, take that next call. And it's like, no, we're not perfect. But it's been good to at least open up the conversation and allow each other to kind of check each other. Like, hey, let's throttle back a little bit. And then defining what enough is in all the different. Like, hey, we're all on bosses and there's more opportunity out there. But let's cap our salary.

at this and let's cap our travel at this. What I think is great and I recommend, and again, like, I don't know how popular this is, but I think everybody, if they can, should have children because I just think, but here's why personally. I think for overly ambitious people, it frames out why the ambition should exist in the first place. And it also creates boundaries to slow down sometimes.

It's like a regulator because you realize what's important and what you're doing it for. I also think what kids do is like, do is like they are an innocent reflection of the way you're behaving all the time. And you can see you can just, it's a, I don't want to say it in a selfish way, but in a selfish kind of way, they're a very good tool to kind of contextualize what's important and what's not and what behaviors are valid and what are invalid and what you should be focusing on, what you should. And what I tell people that are worried about having children, that they're going to still be

successful and ambitious. Like my ambition and since having kids has gotten greater, but I'm able to channel it a healthier way where I'm not just sitting there burning down from both ends, go, go, go, with no real understanding of why I'm doing it in the first place. And again, this is for me personally. I didn't want to end up as a 56-year-old guy with a bunch of cash sitting with no leg, and just sitting around being like, what am I doing all this for anyways? And I think that's what kids are good at helping you kind of like frame out what's important in life.

When he got his doctor, he actually did a dissertation on that, the productivity and efficiency when you become in business in regards to like when you become a parent. Yeah, because I would argue that it makes you becoming a parent adds so much to your plate that it makes you more efficient. It forces you do. You have to say, okay, I can't do all the things I was once doing. So what is the most important thing to focus on occupationally? And then it kind of like, I think it grows the pie that way because you're now doing the most

impactful things. Every time somebody in this company tells me they're going on maternity or paternity leave, I get excited because I know when they come back, they're gonna be even better and more efficient because you don't have time to waste. And when I think about all the time that I wasted on just random things before kids, I'm like, what the hell was I all was I doing?

We laugh about that all the time. I'm like, what did we do? I don't know. All of our time. It's very weird to think about, isn't it? When you reflect back? Well, I'm like, what was I doing all this? I went to the bathroom alone.

Let me switch gears for you for the first second. Because I was telling you, like I used to watch you, and I'm sure learned it on the, Olympics back in the day. You were my favorite. Thank you. What is it like being that young, being on that big of a world platform, and achieving that kind of success? Do you know how big it is at the time? Do you have the context? And then what's it like after? I mean, to give context, I was 16. So developmentally, there's not a way for me to even be, I was not mature enough to be able to digest the magnitude of it, which I think was also a blessing. I think 50% of me at the

was still just a kid, and I was literally playing and doing an after-school activity. I had that joy, I had that innocence, I had that ability to, my coach protected that for me, and so did my parents. I remember part of my heart and soul and performance was just a kid playing. I loved it. I think the other 50% was kind of torn between the pressures of, like, the job that I was given from the United States and from the USA team and the sponsors and the agents and like the pressure behind them, Bob Costas, you know, announcing on TV that I should win and like all these things. So I kind of had that thing that I had to juggle. But I think because I was so young, I was so naive to so much. I get to learn a lot. Like, do you think if you did it now older, the pressure

would be too much? I think it's one of the reasons why I retired. I tried to go for a second Olympics in 2012 and ended up retiring. And I honestly believe it's because my more mature mind, I could calculate risks so much better and I understood the what ifs of if things went wrong way more than I did at 16. At 16, kind of like our kids even now, I was just fearless and I didn't understand risk and I didn't understand consequence.

At 19 and 20, four years later, I had already kind of been in the business world for four years. I understood the magnitude of what if it doesn't go well and that crippled me. Wow. What's it like transitioning from that kind of stage to, I guess it's still a big stage, but not the Olympic stage? Transitioning out of professional athletics is really, really hard. You take someone who's like very, both of us had a really hard time, but you take someone who's so obsessive and has an ability to obsess in probably an unhealthy way over one thing.

And trying to transition into like civilian life or normal life is very difficult. I didn't know where to put that obsession. And so I had to unlearn how to be a perfectionist. And I had to learn how to just be okay with like average. And that was really challenging. What I find so interesting about athletes is as entrepreneurs, we think about, oh, we'll be in our prime 40, 50, 60. But with athletes with you guys, like, it's a, it's kind of, it's a short window

and you're still very young when you kind of, when you're, like, how old were you when you retired? 27? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy to think that you would retire in New 20, like you're retiring from a massively successful career.

when you're barely even an adult. I imagine that's like... I would think the identity part is the hardest part. It's like your identity is so wrapped up in that. And then when you get out of it, it's hard, like you said, to sort of... You used average. I don't think you guys are average. That's the word you used.

But I could see how it would be hard to live an average life. It is. I think because you're younger, you wrap your identity up even more than like the normal person would at an older age when they're retiring. So for us to find identities afterwards, you have to be okay with starting over when the world on a public stage has already seen you hit what the world would define as like the peak of life. And so you have to humble yourselves in front of the world and be bad at something. And not a lot of people who are watching like to see that. Could either of you find success and if you did dating people that were average, meaning like people that weren't super humans?

We used to call them NARPs in college. What? Non-athletic regular people? You never heard that? I've never heard this. We're narps, Lauren. Is this, you never heard that? Oh, dude, yeah, that was a non-atheterian person.

So could you guys find success dating narps? Or could you just not relate? I actually think I'm way too intense that I really need a, I just need a very competitive person to be able to put up with me. I don't know. I figure out why this works because, I mean, clearly it does. But I wonder, maybe because you guys. aren't NARPs. This goes back to how I am thinking about parenting now. I am I'm pretty

adamant on our kids playing a sport and doing something physical as well as doing something creative as well as you know academics. Like I want them to build multiple disciplines. I think sports are amazing and there is so much carryover. Transitioning is hard like in the moment of that transition. You don't really feel like there's transferable skills that you've learned sports that could take you into careers, but I do think that the body teaches the soul and like you build disciplines, you kind of like sharpen and refine your body in ways that has so much positive impact. But Sean, I laugh all the time because, you know, she was best in the world at what she did. And she has this intensity and focus that she's able to channel like I've never seen before.

And it's natural habitat, the natural habitat for that type of intensity is like the world stage in the Olympics on a balance beam. not necessarily the home life cooking dinner on a regular Tuesday. And so it's like been so funny to try to like say, hey, let's, you know, you're being a little intense here, babe. Let's, let's dial back because there's, you know, I think that's a really unique trait that suited her in that context. And it's funny to try to place it in different contexts.

Well, you were also a performer. I mean, like also the athlete part, yes, yes. But I remember like your hair and your makeup and like all like for like when I was watching that I, you were also like courting. Yeah. There's a performance aspect to it as well, right? It's a subjectively judge sport. So usually judges are allowed a margin where just by personal biased or opinion they can deduct or grant. And you're beautiful so that.

I'm sure that was hard. Thank you. You know? It's like, ah, like, it's almost would be easier if you weren't so beautiful. Yeah, like, what if you side eye and you see some jealous judge in the crowd? You're like, oh, shit, this one's not going to go well. I mean. It was hard, though, because, like, at 16, you have to learn how to figure out what people want to see.

And that was kind of interesting because you're at 16 trying to learn. My skills should speak for themselves, but it's not just that. Yeah. You have to schmooze. It sets you up for the real world. It does. I get it. It's been hard for me. It gives you a great resilience grit.

Yeah. People are always just judging me on my like dashingly good looks and it's been hard. I really wish you'd stop doing that, people. So when you guys, you mentioned earlier, when you decide to launch a podcast together, are you guys going into this with a strategy or was it's literally seven days after you mentioned there's a story? Did you just throw it out there and see what sticks? Yep. No. If not Avaled Gratherer, people are called NARPs.

We're like nerps. We're non-IQ, non-IQ regular people. We're just kind of, we just kind of roll with the punches. So you just threw it out. Yeah. We had like a concept, but nothing past that of any kind. And after doing seven years of the show together, what do you guys think, how have you evolved together?

How have you evolved apart? What's happened during the seven years? That's a challenge also. It's rewarding. It's a challenge. I don't know what y'all's date nights look. Like ours are always kind of like conversation based over dinner. And for us, the podcast has been so great because we get to be learning from these experts

or from these couples like you live together. And so then it's like it has enhanced so many aspects of our life because we're like getting introduced to these concepts or these techniques or whatever. And you're like, oh, sweet. What do you think about that? And so it's kind of like been a continued conversation for seven years. We have very different backgrounds. but as I was thinking about you guys,

we have very similar lifestyles and paths. And I think what we talk about all the time is imagine if only I was doing the show or only her. That would be strange. We get to talk and learn. Actually think in a weird way, and again, I don't recommend this for every couple. It's been almost like couples therapy,

but without therapy. Like sometimes somebody be talking about something that's an issue. And like, that's one of our issues. But you get to like kind of both be in the room in a way where like you're not being. grilled or interrogated or attacked. And so we both, and I think that actually it's been one of the best things for our marriage.

I also think in today's world, we don't get to sit down and actually converse with people anymore. No. And even as spouses, being in the same room, engaged in a conversation, learning for an hour, it just, it is to a certain extent,

like an intimate time where you get to just be present. It also fills your social battery. So you're like good on a Wednesday for drinks with friends that you barely know that come into town. Do you know what I mean? Like you feel like you've gone, you've done the social thing too. So I think when you come home, you also can then really connect because you're not like looking to like go golf or like it's it's like you're you're almost more connected to each other. No, but to your point, people I think we spend so much time online. You forget

how to talk with people. And when we go to dinners now with friends, I call it like I middle the table. Yeah. Because I can sit there and bring people. And I think it's because you do a show for so long that you can talk. Do you like to be the king at the table with the gestures performing? Because what I noticed for years is sometimes, well, if you don't set up a table right, and you can get people silent. But there's a lost art, to your point, of conversation with people. And we've gotten so used to just typing and being behind things.

And what this does is we wouldn't be in nearly as many conversations with people like this if we didn't do the show. Why did you guys decide to co-found family made? We have fortunately been able to build a team. around our content production and we realize there's a lot of creators and YouTubers and podcasters who struggled to do that and so we just thought it'd be cool to help other people produce podcasts that were you know in this world of heartwarming kind of like wholesome podcasts and so it was a fun project and it's smart it's like

the family channel like that's so smart dear media is a you guys have executed this extremely Yeah, you're a... Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, that's why I like, I see so many, like, it's a lot of similarities. And I think it's incredible that you guys have been able to do it together. What I tell people is like, don't work together.

But if you can, it's the most rewarding thing ever if you can figure it out. Yeah, I agree. It's hard to figure out. And then on top of all this, you did special forces. Yes. I mean, like, how are you doing this? That one was fun. That one was really intense.

And... It was like a normal Tuesday for them, Lauren. They're not in ARPS. Yeah. Was it hard? Oh, it's, it was extremely, it's way harder than the show actually shows. It is not a produced show. It is an experience that happens to be filmed, if that makes sense.

So, like, you're experiencing it in real time with no breaks, but there's just cameras mounted to, like, watch it. And there's no red tape. I mean, you, you get tortured, beep, bruised, rundown. What's the most tortured? I mean, they do psychological warfare for the last 24. four hours. What psychological warfare? What do you mean?

You are put in stress positions with a bag over your head and pitch black darkness with headphones over your head of screaming babies, nails on a chalkboard, animals being slaughtered. You're sleep deprived. Sleep deprived. You get interrogated, no food. You get interrogated by like actual CIA interrogators. Did you know it was going to be like that? You, I've seen, we've seen other seasons.

So we had ideas, but nothing prepares you for in person. screaming baby's nails on a chalkboard. But like extreme volume too. Yeah. Can you tap out? Anytime. Yeah. That's what they're trying to get you to do.

They're trying to get you to tap out. I would hear it for once. I'd be like, oh my God. That is, yeah. That's over stimulation. I was worried about. I was worried about the babies. There's still times that Sean and I hear a noise.

It's a lawn mower or a blower. A blower. And we're like, oh my gosh. Takes us right back to a bag over our head in the middle of Morocco. How did you guys talk each other? Through that? Through that moment? You couldn't talk.

No, there's people in the room. But like afterwards, like how do you like come down from that? You're assigned a psychiatrist? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's really fun. Are you guys glad upon reflection that you did it? Together.

I'm glad we did it together for the, for like, a more distilled version of like what we're talking about the podcast. There's no way to describe, like, the little, the million little details of what was like to Army crawl over rocks and glass and you know in the in the Saharan heat it would have been detrimental to us if we didn't do it together but the fact we did it together was it was actually pretty bonding what do you guys think makes a good partnership two people well willing to work I think if you if you have two people willing to put in the work every day it's every day it works especially on when you're on a mic

yeah we had a couple share a technique or just a saying that they remind each of any time they're in an argument. And like I think about it all the time, but they always remind each other that we know how this ends and that's with us still married. And I think if you have that willpower or the commitment to say, hey, no matter what happens, no matter what high we're riding or low we're riding, if Sean's doing a TV show

or we're both getting crushed by, you know, some Navy SEALs, it's like, we know how this ends, it's with us still married. And it's like there's something really calming about that. I can't give him that certainty. No, no, no. I want him to feel like that. I want him to feel at any moment I could walk out the door. Well, she's working to do a lot of trauma.

It might be for an hour. It might be for a day. It might be for a week. We just did this family trip with her, with my in-laws. And so I can understand where the trauma comes from. So moving on, moving on. What have you guys carried through from athletics into your business careers? Like what have you left behind and what have you carried through that you think has been helpful?

Celebration of failure, because we learned from. it and then just a persistence to keep going, even when it gets discouraging. So celebration of failure because that's more common in athletics. You're losing all the time, right? You don't just win all the time. And you have to like fall flat on your face a million times before you ever succeed. So many people are so into protein. It's all I hear about everywhere. And yes, I love protein, but I will not have protein unless I have fiber. I have to have fiber throughout my day. It's so important. I think that if you're just eating protein and you're not having fiber, it's not like going through you. This is like Dr. Lauren theory. Before I was doing like these

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Our four-year-old wakes me up at 5.30. He whispers in my ear. He's a dog. He wakes me up, and he's like, Dad, you're ready to work out? And I'm like, I'm not going to say no to you. I'm not going to like be a pansy and not work out with you. So we wake up, him and I have a little snack. I'll do a workout for about 45 minutes or an hour. He'll do pull-ups and we'll kind of just like watch. He loves watching motocross. You better get our kid on the pole. He's going to get on the bar.

Can't raise a narp. And then we have about an hour and a half together as a family. You usually take them to school. And then I'll go workout. Yeah. We'll start work around like nine. And what are your workouts at this point? Are they like what do you guys doing on a regular basis?

They're pretty in then. Yeah, I can't tell your arms have the divot. Do you know what the divot is? I don't know what the divot. What's the divit? It's the Kardashian. and divot. It's a big compliment. Oh. Thank you. So a lot of people are paying for the divot, but you can tell,

you can tell people are getting, they're paying for your divot. It's the debit. It's the definition. No, it's the little, it's the little thing, right? It's the delt. Oh, it's the del. Yeah. I just call it the upper arm. Yeah. Divid is it. Or it doesn't know what muscle it's called. She just knows it's a muscle. Yeah, it's like the little divot right there. Oh, wow. So what are the workouts that you guys are doing? Um, I do a lot of like Olympic lifting. So like barbells with like heavy weights. Power cleans is her favorite. Sean loves power cleans. Is that what they have you guys doing for your sport? No. Power cleans? No, gymnasts don't lift any weight. Okay. So you just go, okay, that was, I was like, geez,

I'm like, is that what's going on? Yeah. In gymnastics, it's usually all body weight. I kind of fell in love with like hit and weightlifting afterwards. I felt like it was the only thing that kind of compared to the intensity and mental payoff that I felt in gymnastics. So I love, I love that. Yeah, because in a way, it's a singular individual sport. You're competing with yourself. This is probably a question you could ask a lot, but I'm just curious. When you see a football or you see a gymnast mat, does it make you want to pick up the ball or get on the mat and do your thing?

Or are you guys like, we're done? I don't want to do that. Like, I'm crotchety. I'm over that. I've been through phases. I think right after my football career ended, not necessarily by choice. There was a couple years where I was just kind of done. but now I'm having more fun playing football than ever.

So. Yeah. With our kids. That's probably reinvigorate this. Same thing. I went through phases where I had no interest in going into a gym. Now our kids enjoy going into a gym. They're slowly understanding that I did gymnastics and he did football.

So it's something they're curious about. Well, they've never watched you do gymnastics? We're not like putting it on at dinner time. I would be, I would have the fucking highlight wheel out. If I, sit down, kids, gather around the table. I would do like a weekly viewing. I would be like, look at Moby. Moby's doing flips.

Mommy's doing cartwheels. I'd be so annoying. One thing to go back to your question about what we've learned is something we try to teach our kids. It's like we want them to find something that they can put so much effort and practice into that they get good enough. And the Vandy baseball coach used to have this term. He said, you got to have some stick-tuitiveness. and I think that's one thing that sports teaches you, unlike anything else, where if you keep stacking days, stacking practices, if I keep showing up and doing my

workouts and paying attention to practice and tweaking this and tweaking that, you really start to build something meaningful over time. You start to see the growth and the improvement. And I think that idea of reps translates to our arguments that we have in our marriage. It translates to the business calls that you're making. And it's like, okay, I just tried to land this deal. They said no. I'm calling another company.

They said no. And it's like, but you know that inherently, if I keep getting reps at this, there will be growth. It will be progression. And that has been invaluable to us. And that's what I hope our kids understand is like, you know, you keep practicing. You keep chipping away. You're going to make little tweaks that over time will compound into something beautiful.

What's cool about you guys that I really respect is that you had mastery, obviously, when you guys were both little, but you've also maintained the mastery in a different. ways throughout your life. I find that fascinating with your business and your show and family made. I think it's really cool that you've been able to have such longevity with the skill of having mastery and discipline. It's really interesting. Yeah, and not to like shed or point the light on other people and athlete, but I mean, I think you guys are actually an uncommon story for a lot of professional athletes. A lot of people, they kind of have their moan and then and then it goes, in a lot of cases, downhill from there. And I imagine that's so hard because you ride these huge highs

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No, I don't know if I can write a book with him. I feel like we already do the show together to write a book with him. I will say with our book because of that, having two very different voices, we did bring in a third writer who is a genius and he was a research writer and he gave us therapy, basically. Are you guys like when you were writing it, are you writing it together or a part or separate? Together. Together. Yeah.

And Sean kind of does a great job at telling all the personal stories. And I'm like a geek for all the facts and the studies. And to me, that's just my takeaways from books always. So we wanted to include that. And I think the book is a really good blend of stories that we've lived and seen and studies that back up the experience. Who are you guys looking for as either like mentors or what kind of books are you looking at? And what kind of content do you follow?

What inspires both of you at this point? Things that bring peace and order to my life. So I feel like I've been talking about this book for a long time, hours, but then also like Justin Whitmell Early or John Mark, John Mark Homer, the ruthless elimination of hurry is one of my favorite books in the world. Oh, I got to get that. I've never heard of it. And it's just about quieting the noise and living like a more intentional life. Nobody's ever recommended that one before. That sounds like a great one. That's a great book. And then Justin Whitmell Early has a book called Habits of the House where he kind of talks about like what are the rhythms of the house and how can you be intentional with that, whether that's dropping the kids. off at school or dinner time. Like, it's been so helpful. I love that question, though, because I think about all the time, you know, like the media

that you consume shapes you. And so I'm a geek for all the self-help, self-improvement stuff. And I've noticed that I've been able to implement certain things into our family life that has been really constructive. And those are two authors that have been phenomenal. We've never heard those two recommendations. Oh, I'm writing down. We'll check them out.

I will. Yeah. Where can everyone go buy your book? Where can they support your show? You can buy our book anywhere that sells books. Okay. And you can find us on, you know, all the platforms. Sean or Andrew East.

Yeah, apologies in advance. But the courage to commit.com is kind of like the page where you can check out on Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Congratulations. Writing a book is no easy feat. It's a lot of work. Writing a book with a significant other. Yeah. Woo!

I can't wait for yours already. Yeah. I'm excited. Oh, okay. We're going to need a couple. We're going to need like a few therapists, a couple of guards. They'll be a coffee table book with no words. I know.

They'd be beautiful. It's such an honor to meet you all. We have, we have admire your work from afar. Same with us. There's so many synergies and we'll definitely hit you up before in Nashville. I'd love to. I'd love to take a trip to Nashville. No, we'll do it again.

I mean, we have, like I said, we have a ton of similarities. We're similar on the kid path. Oh, yeah. You guys got to let us know when you're in Austin next. We'll go out for a margarita. We love a good margarita. We got to come out that way. We've been down Nashville in a while.

I mean, similar to Austin. and out there really is. Yeah. It's growing rapidly. Yeah. I want to go out there. Yeah. Thank you guys for coming on the show.

Thank you. You guys are great. Thank you. Thank you.