The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Sonya Dakar, The Skin Jedi On Youthful Skin, Celebrity Beauty Secrets, Triumphs, & Glassy Complexion

Episode Date: August 21, 2020

#289: On this episode we are joined by The Skin Jedi, Sonya Dakar. Sonya is a legendary aesthetician, chemist, and entrepreneur with a celebrity clientele that includes some of the biggest names in Hollywood. On today's episode we discuss how Sonya built a skin empire, how to keep and maintain youthful skin, celebrity beauty secrets, and glassy complexion.  To connect with Sonya Dakar click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by Magic Spoon As kids we loved cereal! Nothing better than Saturday morning cartoons and a big bowl of cereal. As we got older and realized what was in most cereals we had to stop eating the delicious treats. That was until we discovered Magic Spoon! 0 sugar, 11 grams of protein, and only 3 net grams of carbs in each serving! It tastes amazing and is almost too good to be true. To try Magic Spoon head over to www.magicspoon.com/skinny and be sure to use promo code SKINNY at checkout for free shipping.  This episode is brought to you by Pique Tea Ever since I discovered Pique Tea, I’ve been obsessed. I now incorporate at least a cup of Pique into my daily routine and it’s really been increasing my productivity levels. Pique Teas are made from organic high quality tea leaves and ingredients sourced from around the world, delivering up to 12x more antioxidants than any ofor heavy metals, pesticides and toxic mold so you know you’re getting the best stuff.    Use code “SKINNY” for 10% off piquetea.com. They rarely (if ever) have sales so you’d definitely want to check this out! P.S. This discount does not apply to their fermented pu’er due to their limited quantity.ther tea. What’s better is that they are all Triple Toxin Screened Produced by Dear Media

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Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Aha! You kind of give you more ambition to think like, the sky's the limit for me. I can do anything. You're not just, you don't think like my kids, I want to, I want to build their career. No, you don't think this way. You think it's about your career have to be like endless. You can reach the sky. You can do anything you want. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her podcast. You

have me, Lauren Everts, the creator of the Skinny Confidential. My husband is God knows where. I don't know where he is, but that's okay because I am going to introduce you to the skin queen. She is a chemist. She is an entrepreneur. She's a real estate mogul, and she's built a massive empire, Sonia Dakar. She works on my skin. She's helped me so much with my pigmentation. We've done microneedling. We've done eye cupping. We've done scooping. We've done facial massage. We've done light therapy. We've kind of done it all. And my pigmentation is really, really going down. On this episode, we go everywhere. We talk about her journey with her skincare, her childhood. We talk about hyperpigmentation, rosacea,

like I said, eye scooping. It's fun. I think you're going to love this episode. So with that, let's welcome Sonia Dakar to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. I just told you I had a pimple. I text you I had a pimple and you said that I'm turning into a diva because you've helped my skin so much. I said, I text her, I said, I have a pimple. And she's like, whoa, diva, because she like helped my skin so much with the pigmentation. I wanted to have you on this podcast because I, and I told Mimi, your daughter, this earlier, want to tell your entire story, starting when you were a little girl, and have people get to know

Sonia. Because they see you on Instagram. We're going to talk about skin. Everyone wants to know about skin. But I do want to set the foundation of your story. So first, start and just tell the audience where you grew up, how many brothers and sisters you had, your family life. I grew in Israel, and I definitely was one of the four what the third child I always like remember myself like I was like a student did I allow to brag about myself a little bit oh yeah brag away it's all I do on here so yeah I was like go get it and my father always said you're the boy but you know you know like we wish to wear like a dresses and skirts you know but like you you wear the pants and I thought like wow my father said like I'm like a boy this mean a compliment but I translated very very quick it

mean like boy a boy is a go get it no shy like, like more aggressive, more on the front line. And I took it like a compliment. And that's kind of like registered in my head. So, but unfortunately, when I was seven and a half years old, my father passed away. And honestly, yeah. And you know what? My mother is like, I would look at her like, I tried to look at her like a parent, like a mother figure.

She was very amazing person. She was great for the children, but she was not even a provider because she never, my father never let her do anything. He just was like very successful. And my mother was like, at a time, mother was like protecting the kids and like everything and her husband and take care of like the household. So suddenly my mom, they didn't know even to do this. She lost her business with my father was and everything else. So I thought like, okay, so how can I do now? Like, I want to even buy clothes,

and I want to be like, you know, buy books and I want to to do a lot of things, which is my wealthy friend doing. And my mother was lost and I know this is an opportunity to have this for my mom. The provider is going to be, there's no chance. She's only going to have the food on the table. So a few thing I decide, which is now when I'm looking at this, I thought like, oh my God, that's kind of crazy. I decide, A, how I build my image.

So I thought about, I have to be in society like this and blend with them and be one of them and maybe be better from them. So I choose my friend. I was seven and a half years old, less than eight. I choose my friend to be like super smart, super A student in my level. The parents very educated, like scholar

and very successful financially. And I thought that's gonna be my background in the future and I will do better. Seven and a half years old. Wow. So to do, to continue with this, I thought, okay, the great image I'm between them, but I want to buy clothes just like them. You know, the brand new, beautiful fashion shoes, the brand new these. I want to look one of them also, physical. So I start like teaching kids, read math. You know, it's like babysit if I can.

Like in this age, I would have thought like I'm mature enough. I guess like because I was go get a child, I kind of felt like I can put my head in everywhere. And I start making a lot of money less than age of eight. Like literally. But what were you doing to make the money? Teaching, student, and then a babysitter. The same time. Teaching like art, math, reading, writing, and babysitting.

I took everything I can. With no time, not just just, I could have bought my first pair of shoes I bought on my own money until then, nobody helped me out. I was so independent, never used any,

another money from like parent, brother, uncle or anything like this. So that was like my foundation. You can get it, girl. Just if you want it. At eight years old. Eight years old. And that's,

by the way, that's helped me out with my kids. I never told them, oh, don't touch this, or you cannot do this, or you cannot go your trip. It's like all of this, I never said to my kids, I said, do it. And if they touch something and something is like physical, it's not comfortable, they're never going to do it again. I let them the freedom to choose and to find out with like, of course I'm going to back if they fall down, I will catch them a little bit, not, you know, harm them. But that's how my kids know they are independent of early age

because of my experience. For example, even like my son, age of like 13, I let him go to border private school in Colorado. And then my mother thought I'm criminal, how I can do it. Don't you love your son? I said, I love my son. That's why I send him. He want to go. I let him go. But mom, I told her, I teach him what is like the difference between negative and positive, how to choose his friend, how to choose his like, you know, the teacher, if something wrong, you know, to tell me or to share with me or something wrong with him physical, he should share with me.

I teach him from the age one, all the steps. And I think 13 is about like age. He really mature a lot more in his age, but he still have the fun like a child. And that's how I did to my kids. You know, age of 16, he toured all of Europe with backpack for six weeks and we didn't have a cell phone at the time.

So we did like a tour between his and his kids, you know, he and his friend to call once a week, you know, every parents were going to give message to each other. His father thought like I'm a crazy mom, you know, and I gave him several thousand dollars and age of 16, go sweetheart, span it. You want to sleep, you know, and the train station or anything, or you want to have hotel or motel or whatever, that's the money, you survive. You're free. If you have any trouble, call me. That's how I did because of my experience. Move on after this, I basically find that, you know, in age of like eight years old, I was very

attracted to beauty. You know, it's not even like funny. I would like love beautiful flower, beautiful furniture, beautiful homes, architectural and beautiful people. So I, my mom sent me, used to send me to a grocery shop. It was like a boutique grocery shop. We don't have them so much anymore. Maybe in Hampton and stuff like, like a village is beautiful. You can see it. Yeah. anymore. Maybe in Hampton and stuff like a village is beautiful. You can see it. Yeah, small towns, yeah.

Yeah. But it's... So I used to go to the grocery shop and buy her the bread and milk and whatever needed in the morning thing. And we have the owner of the grocery shop, she was a woman like Merlene Detrick. I don't know if you know, but she was a symbol of that. She was a dancer, like Khan Khan, but very huge, famous. And she was German. And her hair was a platinum carré. And her skin was like, I would say, glossy. Today I call it glossy, marble glossy. And I used to look at her all the time in curiosity.

What does this woman do? So she's so radiant. I'm like eight years old and I look at this, her skin is radiant. She didn't have one stitch of makeup, but she have red lipstick. That's the old thing she have. And one time I kind of caught her and I said, can I ask you something? After I purchased the groceries and I asked her like, what about her skin? What did she do for skin? She looked like so amazing.

Don't forget that years old, I never had acne. I never had acne in general, but that's not why I went to this business. But it's just like fascinating me. She was so distinguished looking. And she said, I don't put any products. I only wash my face with oil and I put oil. That basically, like somebody kind of put information in a computer and you like it. You said, when I need this information, I will take it.

I didn't know what I was going to do with this information. I just was fascinated. Oil can do such an amazing thing. And that's why it's like later on, years later on, I, when I thought like, okay, I'm going to be, because I'm an artist too. I like, I painted everything. Oh, I'd be like maybe an artist or I'd be this, I'd be those. But when back, it's like the message, like the computer thing in my head, oil, gorgeous skin, oil, gorgeous skin. And that's why like at a certain age, I decide I want to be in this business and to study, but much deeper to be a chemist.

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And you're a chemist. You're not just like, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with just being an esthetician, but you're also, you're an esthetician and you're also a chemist. So there's a two-pronged approach here. Yes. So you went to and you're also a chemist. So there's a two pronged approach here. Yes. So you went to school and you became a chemist. Yes. And then how did you take the chemistry degree and apply it to skin? OK, so all my life I thought, OK, so what should I do with this? You know, the beauty thing and everything.

So I decide to do to have to go to something would have a create maybe medication. Thank you so much. Medication for people at the time was there now, like at the time, it's like something like never changed since the Bible, you know, since the Bible, they said like, if God, you know, didn't like, you know, a certain thing and they make like lapis, you know, like the boil, you know, a certain thing, and they make, like, lapis, lapis, you know, like, the, the boil, you know, on the face. So, at the time, I thought about my friend at the age of, like, 14, 15, teenager, hormonal, and then a lot of them, there was, like, became, like, oozing infections, cystic acne. At the time, also, they call it pizza face, unfortunately,

you know, and people, and, and this age, you feel so uncomfortable with your life. So, when I grew up, and I said, okay, after high school, I'm going to go to college, what am I going to do? So I thought like, I'm going to have like medication for this situation for acne, to cure acne. So when I graduate from it, you know, all of it, and I said, wait a minute, I really don't feel like I want to put medication because all the medication was like the alternative and holistic and everything was because all the medication was like the alternative and holistic and everything was like the approach was always exist, but was very like almost secluded for like small group of people.

Like really kind of like the super smart people in a way like alert. They doesn't want to have this. They doesn't want to have this. Gluten-free was all since the Bible was. It just like discovered later on. Souten-free was all, since the Bible was, it just like discovered later on. So I thought like, ah, I cannot, I cannot like have chemical because I believe in everything was organic and natural and everything else. So why should I create like chemical and basically and kill the antibody of your system? It's like the immune system. I decide after I graduate, I cannot do it. So I thought to convert it to something which is, I can help basically from young age

up to endless. I can help all kind of variety of background and culture and skin complexion, men and women, young and adult. So I decided to go to have alternative. So that's what I took another two years of study. So that's the whole concept became is skincare. And again, your question will be, how did you get the skincare? So again, so when I decided to be like a chemist, I said, okay, how should I do, create products, I need to see a real life like model. I see the obstacle here, the need here, and then I'm going to think about what kind of formulation I'm going to start have to think what to do. So I thought they're going to have life laboratory. I call it life laboratory.

My custom is life laboratory. Not like I damage them, but I learn from the need. I learn from the skin. I learn from the body, from health, what's can cause. You were a practitioner of it too. So you weren't just prescribing, you were in the chemist lab. You were also being a practitioner and working on the people. So I decide a hundred Lauren, that's exactly, I decide I have to be Lance's esthetician, medical esthetician. So all of it I learned in Europe and I converted to here and all of this thing. So when I became like esthetician and I thought I'm going to make temporary thing, just to look at the skin, to do a little bit treatment and create more product to the need. But I fell in love with these professionals, not less fun to be a chemist.

It's basically, it's like you're in love with two identity, but you can merge them together. It's like almost like you feel you have one child, Zaza, God bless her, the most beautiful girl. But when you're going to have like another son or daughter, you're going to leave them the same. You say, how can I love second child the same thing like the first one? Yes, you do when you have them. My business was, how can I love to create the products or to be a statistician? I fell in love with both because it's one lead to each other. Okay. So simultaneously, are you married, having kids?

Let's talk about that area of your life because I know you went into business with your husband and you have four kids, right? Yes. So talk about how you're building this sort of empire as you're also, you know, being a mom, being a wife at home. So I got married when I was young, continued school when I was like definitely young female and then young mom. So really I finished my school when like my third child.

When did you have your first child? When I, I'm so embarrassed to tell, but this is the truth. When I have the first child, 19 plus in a few months. Okay. Very young. That's young. I don't think that's embarrassing though. I just think it's like, I just want, I'm trying to get contact because when I have the first child, 19 plus in a few months. Okay. Very young. That's young. I don't think that's embarrassing though.

I just think it's like, I just want, I'm trying to get contact. Cause when I was 19, I could barely, you know, take care of myself. When I was 19, I was naked on the bar. And you know what? And that, and that's awesome. I didn't feel like I missed it, honestly. You know, if I have to go all over again, probably I will do the same thing. One thing probably it's like in my back in my mind, I will do, which is I wanted to do it

because I was married with kids already. I couldn't, I wanted to go to Tuscany and have like a year study more art, painting with probably with master, Italian master. You know, that's the only thing. But I will never regret I got married and like that's destination. And I got never regret I got married and that destination, and I got amazing kids.

Sometimes when I walk with my son, in particular in New York, they said, oh, your husband, or something like this. It kind of feels like the gap is not crazy big. You know what? I grew up with my kids in a way. Don't forget, my father passed away when I was super young, so I got mature. You matured fast, yeah.

But from another hand, I had this spike and I have the child in me still. And I have like so much life and so like I was like funky kind of a person. It's not like I was like a dark 19 years old and the whole world collapsed on me. No, not like this. I was like young and vibrant. Yeah, no, my mom had me, I think, what, 21 or 22. She was young too. And I just think about it because like Lauren and I had our kid in our 30s.

And it's just like, I can't imagine, like it just makes you mature so much faster. Like, I mean, obviously, like, you know, you have kids, it changes everything. And so I just think about like if I was 19 having a kid, like what it would have changed. I don't think one's better than the other though. So, you know what? You cannot even compare like apple and orange and totally different thing because we're talking about a different era. And today is today and like 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago. You know what?

I heard that my grandmother at the time, the kids used to marry like children, like 13 and 14. And I said, Mom, thanks God I didn't live in this time. But this was my choice. I was in love, you know, like 13 and 14. And I said, Mom, thanks God I didn't leave at this time. But this was my choice. I was in love, you know, at the age of 15. That was my first boyfriend, and that's how I married. And that's my choice. It's like, honestly, nobody shot the gun. It's not like I want to run for my life.

I was miserable. I was very happy. Even I was like, without dad, eight years old, I was super happy and popular kids and a leader. So nothing like this. I got married because we felt like we saw in love. We saw together, soulmate and all of it. But, you know, even when I was married and children, I continued school. See, that could have happened to us because I met Lauren when I was 12.

It just took me 10 years to get her to come back to me. Yeah, you would have tried to impregnate me. If she would have just listened 10 years earlier. You would have tried to impregnate me. If she would have just listened 10 years earlier. You were trying to impregnate me when we were like 15. We could have saved so much time if she would have just listened the first time I chased her. It took her 10 years to say yes. No, no, no, no, no.

It's destination, which is I'm so happy you have each other. It's kind of like two peas in a pod. I cannot see you guys. And at an early age, I can see you did everything in the right time, honestly. And my, Michael, I want to tell you one thing is like my kids didn't continue my path when I was like super young, everybody got married in your age. And at 30 plus I start having children. And did I ever, ever told my daughter, Oh my God, like what's going on? Like, you know,

dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. Never. But a lot of parents do. And I think it's dangerous now because it's like you said, it's a different generation. The pressure and the children and that they cut the wing and confidence. It means like, I'm not good enough to attract the right man or I'm not good enough to attract the right girl. No way. You remember what I said to my kid, you know, I, I, uh, in the very beginning of my conversation, I teach my kid to be independent, confident, and secure. So they had the choice not to do it.

They wanted to go to school. My kids went abroad all over the world. They study abroad, you know, for a year. And then also they live in New York and they live in Boston. You know, I give them the freedom in early age. When the time it's come, they had the choice to choose the partner

for their life and the love of their life. And that's what it's happened. That's probably happened to you guys. When you were raising four children and building this this huge, I mean, empire, how are you doing that? Like like what are your tactics? Did you have a nanny? Did you have your mom help you? Like how how did you do like build what you've built? Did you have a nanny? Did you have your mom help you? How did you build what you've built? And we're going to get into what you've built, but how did you do it all at once? Let me interrupt this programming to tell you about my new addiction, which is matcha. Now, I'm not going to nix coffee. I'm probably going to do a cup a day, but I've been replacing the other one to two cups with matcha. And the one that I like, and I'll get into why I like this one is peak tea. So they have this sun goddess matcha tea. And what I do when I wake up

is I'm going to be specific here is I heat a teapot up with half water, half unsweetened almond milk. And then I put the tea in a little cup. The way it opens is like unlike any teabag. So you open it up and pour it in instead of it being in a teabag. Teabags can contain all this nasty stuff. So I really like the fact that I get to open the peak tea and pour it in. Then after that, I put my half unsweetened almond milk and half hot water

into the cup, stir it up, and it's ready to go. And if you remember, we had Dr. Christian Gonzalez on this show and he sold us. We were already so into peak tea, but he sold us. He says, this is some of the highest quality tea. Like Lauren said, you don't have to deal with the tea bag. There's nothing nasty added. We love it because when we travel, we take these little packets. Lauren and I both have the matcha every morning. And now I travel with the green tea. They have different energy levels for different type of caffeine levels. So I use it for focus sometimes late in the afternoon. It's honestly the best.

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Use code skinny. Peak rarely discounts their teas, so you should definitely check this out. Get the matcha. You will be in love. I can tell you one thing, Lauren. A lot of people like ask me all the time, like even at a time when I was like in a 20

and stuff like this and I start like building the career, then 20. How you do it? I want to tell you one thing. Yes, nobody basically helped me out. I was like, go get it. Wake up four o'clock in the morning. You know, sometimes I even used to bake my children's bread. And I was so fanatic, you know, for so 20 years, I was a gluten free

ahead of my time, I baked the bread, and I did like a from scratch everything. I was like a type A personality, I have to do everything in myself. The only help I had, like somebody like cleaning the house and everything else, because I felt like I can utilize my time so much better, you know, for my work and my children. So but also with the time, I want to tell you, Lauren and Michael, even then I thought like children and experience it. Children really give me more energy and more ambitious. Children never stop me. Children should never stop you.

I agree with that. You know what? They push you kind of to go. The sky's the limit. They never stop me. Children should never stop you. I agree with that. You know what? They push you kind of to go. The sky's the limit. They give you more purpose. Not because you're not just, you think like, oh my God, I want to build empire to, you know, to my kids and dah, dah, dah. No, you kind of give you more ambitious to think like the sky's the limit for me. I can do anything. You're not just, you don't think like my kids, I want to, I want to build their career. No, you don't think this way. You think it's about your career have to be like endless. You can reach the sky. You can do anything you want. Nobody's going to stop you. And the kids is kind of like the power from God,

the energy, they're pushing you without even like knowledge, like, you know, completely clear to you. It's actually, you know, like a bulldozer pushing you. And that's what I felt with my children. Every child is basically pushing me even more and more and more and never stopped me to work one day or to develop one product or to buy real estate or to build real estate or to paint. I was at a time like super fitness. I broke my legs.

I gained some weight, but I'm going to lose it back. But you know what? My kids, honestly, I used to wake up in the morning, 4 o'clock. I used to sleep like 11 p.m. And my kids was in private school. I put them, you know, we share, like take them back and forth, you know, with this. I make my life with purpose and organize. And I felt like my kids is my best lesson. Michael is popping a boner that you just said that. Michael loves an organized

purpose. It is seriously his favorite thing ever. I'm a little bit more relaxed and like easy going. The kid forces you to be more organized. You have no choice. Exactly. You have no choice. You know, your girl going to come and go to school at 8 o'clock a.m. What are you going to do? Are you going to take your coffee and look at your email or your social media? Well, if it's Lauren, then maybe...

Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to postmates the coffee and her breakfast to our house, have an Uber pick me up, I'll sit in the back, post my social media, and that'll be efficient. And have Michael there, you know, take the, you know, Zaza. Lauren thinks it just magically happens, and I'm sitting there. But no, I think, you know, everybody told us.

But that's what makes you guys complete each other, and that's what's beautiful about the couple. Yeah, so don't fuck with me, because it completes you. No, but I mean, a lot of people told us, oh, you're going to have a kid, you're going to slow down. And I actually think since we've had the kid, we've actually sped up, because it gives you, like, a little energy, organization, sense of purpose. Yeah, it goes faster. I want to know

how you worked with your husband because it's very hard. It's very rewarding, but it's also very challenging. What are some tips and tricks? What? Okay. So right now I'm not married anymore. So that's, you know, clear. But at the time when I was working with them, so I decide, okay, after all of this, my dream to come with a products and healing like people with like, you know, break up at the time was like the big thing is like acne, scarring, discoloration, or a teenager, teenager, teenager. And this teenager, sometimes a group of adult, and they have like now, if they have a beautiful skin, they break out with the skin. So my, my ex-husband became like also helping me in the business. It helped me out with the formulation.

I bought a piece of real set, a huge, huge, big manufacturer, you know, like somewhere like Farson Fernando. And then basically like, you know, I was like doing the formulation they created and they manufactured at the time. It's one thing I tell you was, I didn't know if like, honestly,

I give so much respect for you guys. And I see many influencers that work with a husband. He's the camera guy. He's like the producer. No, no, no, no, no. Sam, did I say this? this motherfucker won't take one photo of me no no no that's the secret though that's why it doesn't work for those others but i have

like a reason why i'm saying it uh you guys work here you know i heard like you're amazing businessman and like she talked about it so highly by the way just to let you know but that's sweet but but the same time it's you you guys together. You're here, and then you go home, and you see, face each other. You know, for me, I don't know if I could do it, and it didn't happen to me. I don't know. I didn't have this challenge, but I think in my personality, I'm kind of so type A personality and a little bit stubborn. I don't think it would work with me to work together. But it's like we work in the same concept together. So it means like I create the products, I create the concept and then, you know, help out with the

packaging and everything. And then my kids go to the business. So they wasn't like a few hours away from me. And I basically handle the clinic. And then behind that meeting once a month. And that's how we can do the job. Because I don't think for me, would have worked because everybody's different. I don't think for me, would have worked to see my husband 24 seven. We just talked about, we just did an episode about giving some relationship, right? Just from our perspective. And one of the questions was like, how do you work with your significant other? And the first thing we say is like, I think in most cases, you should not work with your significant other. Like some, we figured out because we're both type A, but we are, we operate completely different sides of the business and totally different entity and we have to be different we can't like if we had if we were both doing the

creative or i was in the skinny confidential and like talk about skin or she was in dear me it wouldn't work so we get to do this together which is fun but we are also separate and i think a lot of couples that try to work together and they're both trying to do the same thing every day, every day, and they're fighting, fighting, and they're bringing it home. It's really difficult. I have to tell you, Michael, it's not just with a husband. Okay. With kids, it's the same challenging. And I work with my kids and we have an office in our building. It's really challenging also because we have to make, even after the divorce, we have to make a decision. And also it's not because of like the gap of like generation. That could be in a way, but I'm very up to date. I always feel myself. I'm still 25 years old because this is my mind. And that's basically, I work with a lot of young all the time and I'm creative and I go out of the

box. That's my personality. So in this point, it's not like I feel like I'm not and I go out of the box. That's my personality. So at this point, it's not like I feel like I'm not like 25 or 30 in my mind. But still with the kids, with your family, not just like with your wife or your spouse, it's very hard. It's not easy. Even to have a therapist and psychology is for family, business family. I worked with my dad for eight years and I love my dad, like best friend. It's hard. But it's really difficult

and we don't work together anymore. Obviously like close if you need anything and vice versa, help him. But it's, I think maybe that's another reason Lauren and I are able to do this because I learned the dynamic of what it was like to work with my dad. You're right.

And that's different because it's a person that raises you and all of a sudden you're working in a company and it's like, what's the dynamic there? But it's difficult and you have to kind of like be separate while also being close. It's completely different than if you and all of a sudden you're working in a company and it's like, what's the dynamic there? But it's difficult and you have to kind of like be separate while also being close. It's completely different than if you and I got into business easy, which is business part,

we could do something. But when you're family and there's different dynamics and there's familiarity and like, you know that the person's never going to leave, it's just a weird, it's a weird thing. And you know, it's like, if you believe what you believe and your family believe what they believe, how you can put the gap together?

You know, it's not about you're stubborn. You believe and you see it. That's the way it's going to work, this subject. And then it's not going to work otherwise. And they believe that otherwise. It's kind of almost you feel like, how should we compromise? You're going to find a way in the end of the day. You know, you're going to have to feel or try it.

You have solution. You have to find solution. If you're like stubborn all the way, type A, it's not going to work. Sometimes you have to sacrifice. They said, okay, give up and see if it's not, if it's fucked up, screwed up, fix it again. The other side. How many times did, you know, my kid, they think this, this way and I let them do it. And then certain thing, they said, mom, you're right.

It's not about like, you know what I said, I told you so. It's about like, I feel good about it. Like, you know, and then I remember I said, I teach them to be independent and then I'm kind of in luck and a triangle with them right now. So I have to sometimes give up like that. You've taught them to be almost too independent. Yeah, like mature, and then let them find out and then come back. But we adult also with experience, we make a mistake. It's like, show me a person, Bill Gates or whatever it is, didn't make a mistake in their life. It's false. It's life. We learn from mistake. And the smart about it, if you learn from mistake, we're learning and not to do it again. And that's smart. The price will be worth it.

Let's talk about something that not a lot of people know about you. You are a real estate mogul, which I find so impressive because people think that you are, you know, working on clients all day and doing your chemist stuff. But you also are very entrepreneurial with real estate. So talk to us about, and I know Michael and you will have a lot to talk about with this, but how you found your huge, I mean, you have a massive, massive office in Beverly Hills. Talk about that and talk about how you got into it. You know, the industry, like every industry, if you're successful, you can be a shoemaker and then create like Jimmy Choo. You know, that's how he was and became an empire all over the world.

But, you know, any business, you can take it and make it like phenomenal, grow from there, or you can like a phenomenal business, you drain the toilet. So I thought like that when we was very successful because we have something like completely different from so many different companies even like with the let's go back to it you know like the fitness or boot camp you know which is I created in the world that the first time like boot camp I I was like also a little bit time of Israeli army at a time we had had a bootcamp come back, you know, girls used to do exactly like guys.

And that's another thing, which is like, it's amazing about like the girls that came out of like Israeli army. They became go get it. What age do you have to go to the Israeli army? You know, 17. Is it for a year or two? How long is it? So it's basically, do you go for a year and eight months?

Guys have obligation for three years. I wish the U S would do something like that. I tell you one thing. That's going to be controversial. I know a lot of people are like, what? It's different here. Here, it's almost like a job. You get paid for it. There, you don't get for it. It's mandatory. I like that because I think it teaches a lot of discipline,

respect. It teaches chain of command. It teaches you can be a little bit more patriotic. Have you ever read Arnold Schwarzenegger's biography? Of course. And then he had to join the army. I think it was Austria for a year. And he says it was a great benefit. Everyone I've talked to that's done that said it's been good, especially because you do it at 17, 18, 16, when you're young, you can't really do anything else. It's life experience. You can never, never, never substitute it with anything else. You know, you really kind of, you learn to be a man there, you know, because you go with like,

you became fearless. You know, you go to the comeback and you go to certain experience. The three month of bootcamp, oh my God, you sometimes you said, you know, is this, is this is life is about, but you graduate from it and you feel like, my God, like I became stronger. My focus, my, my brain can think a lot better like i can feel like any obstacle in life and like solve it i can take order if it's you know like to know how to take order it's nothing wrong to take order from somebody like a master because you'll learn it

can be even better so it's like they teach you life nothing can teach you like an army but in israeli in is it's like mandatory. The girls are also mandatory. I like that, though. I wish they did that here. I think there's a lot of young people, old people in this country that don't respect the military and the members of the military enough. And they don't because they don't get it. They don't understand what these people go through.

I mean, it's one of the hardest jobs in the world. It's one of the most thankless jobs in the world. And I think if more people understood the effort and the struggle that goes into it, they would respect it more and they wouldn't, and there would be more understanding. So like, just even if you go for 17, 18 years, you don't have to see combat, but just go and learn the discipline, learn how to take orders, learn how to respect, like all of these things, learn a little bit of history, I think it would be a benefit to many people in every country. Michael, I agree with you, but I have more to addition to it too. It's not just like make you like completely molding you the best way of you and life. And also is like also give you like a feel.

You love your country. You patriot your country. No country in the world come defending your country as much as you can. No, no,'s going to come. When somebody's going to beat you up and you know how to beat back, that's basically you're defending your country. We can patriot. There's nothing wrong to love your country.

In Israel, we have a lot of things around the country and a lot of obstacles in the Middle East. Every country. So, you know, then Israel was like so long, you know, since like the 48th, the country's born. So people, they're kind of like they're born, I want to protect my home. That's how it feels.

I think that's a great thing. And the U.S., we think like we are separate like entity from the world, but God forbid, you know, today with like technology, all you have to push the button and the, you know, everything is big gone. So we have to like the button and the, you know, everything is begun. So we have to like to be love our country and protect it. And that's what became like Israeli, make you just you strong and like focus and be like you of the best of the best you can do. Then also give your love to your home, to your country. And that's what makes a difference. So back to your question again is,

so we took all the amazing things, you know, like the success from our businesses and then we decided, and I always love real estate, and I thought like the most appreciation in real estate and kind of the same time you're in control. You feel like it's kind of like, you know, satisfactory. You invest in something and like a few years after you can redraw money and invest in something else. It's like empire can go, grow, grow, grow. I honestly, you know, at such an early age, I was drove one time through my building and I said,

I have to buy this building. I never. By the way, just I have to tell you when she walked in here, just so you know, so we can put it on the record. She said she will be buying the Pacific Design Center next. Good. Maybe I'd rather have you as the landlord. Lori said, didn't you love the building? I said, I would love to own it.

Go ahead. Sorry. There's got a lot of vagueness. Go ahead. Go ahead. You buy this building. Give me a good deal. I'd much I would love to own it. Go ahead. There's got a lot of vagueness. Go ahead. Go ahead. You buy this building. Give me a good deal. I'd much rather have you have the land.

I think, I think you don't need a good deal because you're going to buy your own building. Yeah. Yeah. Work a little harder. Okay. Because I heard you're a very, very smart businessman. He's very smart. So, you know, you see, it's a lot of good stuff.

So anyway, so yeah, I, I thought why we'll have... It's the best thing to invest your money. And that was the clever thing to do. Because money sitting in a bank, they're not going to give you anything. You just pay taxes and you get nothing. And you make the bank is wealthy and the federal. Yes, savings accounts are the biggest joke. You're not doing anything there.

What do you get, like 0.01? Nothing. So basically, to take it and invest it. That's sort of the biggest joke. You're not doing anything there. What did you get? Like, zero, zero, 1.1? Nothing. Okay. So, basically, is to take it and invest it. So, when I drove one time through the building, like, oh, long, long, long time ago, and I already was, like, at a time, like, buy a small thing and, like, do something and sell at the back. So, I have, like, you know, money, but I didn't know how much is the building and how much

it's going to cost. So, when I drove one day, I said, I have to buy this building. Sure enough, like sometimes after this, I didn't even know I'm capable like this, but I said, I have to buy it. You know what? My mind is always, I believe, you have to plant the seed and the sky's the limit. You really only bet mind over matter. You create it. When you create everything,

all you have to do, you create the seed, you water the seed, and after a while, and give love, and everything, and potentially, you can see the plant and everything else. The seed in your head is like a computer. You put the information in a computer. Then after a while, somebody called me the way I said I was driving. He said, you know what? One building fell out of escrow. So I said, which one? She said, da-da-da-da-da, the 9975 Santa Monica. I said, it's weird. I'm just passing by the building.

I said, I will meet you in five minutes. She came, and I did, like, the deal. And I didn't know how I was going to put all the money there. But you know what, Lauren? I had the balls. I put, like, big nonrefundable. I was with Casey Washerman. He's, like, one of his, like, own, like, part of CBS

and a lot of, like, sports stuff, you know, he own. And then at a time, I play, like, to put, like, substantial amount of money, nonrefundable. I want to show him making, like, the big player. And I have all kinds of things how to deal with this. And I got like two days before closing. So even like big cut, it's all about negotiation and get like a poker game. And I take the building and many, many building after this, by the way. How many, how many buildings or what year was that that you did this deal?

How many, what? How many years ago was it you did the deal for that building? 15 years ago. And I heard the deal for that building? 15 years ago. And I heard that you packed your truck up with your fucking steamers and you pulled up with your truck and unloaded the steamers the next day. And nobody knew. And nobody knew I'm moving. We did everything overnight like a taft, like a team of people. And the next day, in the morning, we called the customer. Oh, by the way, we moved to this and this area.

And that's what it is. The steamer that we put in there. And it's been the same office. Yeah. You know, it's completely different from West Hollywood to Beverly Hills Prime. So that's what it is. But also what I love, I love to take houses, gut them out, and I'm building. And as a matter of fact, one is going to be for sale.

That's a hard business. Remodel business is hard. Oh my God. You know what? It's kind of like, I love challenge. You know, if it's smooth sailing,

it's going to bore me. Honestly, I love obstacle and I love challenge. You had an obstacle with my hyperpigmentation. We're winning it. It's looking good.

It's looking good. No, my makeup artist was doing my makeup the other day. And we'll get into this. And I told you, she said, your hyperpigmentation looks so much better. So you see, like Lauren now with no makeup and look how amazing she looks. Yeah, Michael, how amazing do I look?

You always look amazing. How amazing on a scale of one to amazing do I look? Amazing. The highest you can get. Whatever's above that. That's a good husband, by the way. That's a good husband. I want this tape to go to every man. I keep this table here clear so that if she starts kicking me under the table,

you can see. So everyone can witness me. Oh, that's why I see Michael jumping every so often. You can see, yeah. She can say, hey, witnesses. Okay. You started to build the Sonia Dakar brand and you got so many celebrities to come in. And I don't know if you can name any names, but if you can, please feel free. Tell us the juice, the clinic used to be on Beverly Boulevard in Switzerland. The King's Rose Cafe was next to me. There was like, at the time, was very hot area. Incredible. So, when people used to come to me, and my place was a thousand square foot, and so many

clientele was so density, people said, what is this? What is this? Zooey? I cannot relax. I cannot do anything. Why do you remember like, you know, she used to be in good morning America at the time. And she said, I cannot even relax. I said, you didn't come to relax. You came to bootcamp. And I took the photo was that Polaroid picture is like, was not like iPhone. And then I shown, I was like, Oh my God, I don't know like how I did it with a big

mouth. And I said, listen, basically this is the picture of the Polaroid. And that's your questionnaire here. You said you have a lot of melasma, a lot of wrinkles, puffy eyes, dark circle, and a gravity, you know, the gravity of your jowl. I said, with all of this here in a picture, with all your write down, so either my way or the highway. This is a boot camp. Yeah, it's not like a spa facial when you go to her. It's like she's working out your skin.

And I never call my place a spa, by the way. I call it clinic. No, it's not a spa. So when I said, like, this is a boot camp and this is a fitness. When I told my son son and then she said, oh, okay. After she saw the picture, I said that she was complaining about all of these things. It's no another way. You know, I have to walk on you and no massages. Oh, no massage, no relaxation. I said, you can have relaxation at home with a hundred dollars and they put you

to sleep with a glass of milk next to you. I said, this is not going to work here. Here, you're going to wake up, have it and walk out of here with much better condition. You said no fucking cucumbers. Remember, you said cucumbers are out. Cucumbers don't work. She goes, what did you say? The cucumber's out. No, cucumber already out.

Let's start with zucchini. So after this, when I told my son, he said, oh my God, mom, let's register it. And we registered the bootcamp and everything. So, the bootcamp was with me also. If somebody have obstacle, if like acne, scar, discoloration, rosacea, psoriasis, because I start like treating like medical field with people like tired from doctors and everything else. So, they cannot have like the answer because when doctor you go to them, they just give

you medication. You know these, you know, tetracycline,, minocycline, then Accutane later on. So all of these things, and you relapse and relapse. And one day even the head of the company of the medication, which paralyzed your brain almost, they came to me and said, honestly, I know something, 80% doesn't work. So she herself, she have obstacle and she like the head of the territory, all California. She came to me to have a sick. I said, shit, I have something, but nobody have it.

So I put them in a boot camp six times to come to me week after week with very much discipline. They have to take the homework. They take the AM, PM. The products, you know, they have to be like student. And I always said, my success is going to be when you help me out to help you out. You know, that's the only way to work. It's a team effort. If it's going to be only me, forget it.

I cannot take you. You're done. You're done with a bootcamp. Let's not start it. And that's how me became all Hollywood became to me. They know there's no onset. They know I can take care of any obstacle, any problem, hormonal, aging, you know, medical thing. Like, you know, so not just

psoriasis, rosacea, basically. I'm the best one in the country to take care of. Can you tell us some celebrities? Because I know that there's been like publications that have come out that say you work on them. Can you tell us some people that you've worked on? The work on celebrities, Cameron Diaz, Gwyneth Paltrow for 27 years, Drew Barrymore for like 19 years, for 20 years or more. You know, it's like Coldplay. I don't know, Leonardo DiCaprio.

It's like, I cannot even name it. Like a zillion, honestly, zillion. Tons of musicians, tons of names, tons of like, all of these today, like Michelle Williams and stuff like that. I don't even remember. All the housewives, the influencers. Tons of names, tons of like, all of these today, like Michelle Williams and stuff like that. I don't even remember. All the housewives, the influencers.

The housewife, yeah. The influencers are not the biggest one, you know, like we treat them. Life has changed completely. The cycle, the magnitude of that, the era changed so much. You know, if I have to think like 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, now it's completely different era. You know, magazine today is not important anymore. You know, like influencers, like they're taking the, I would say like a captain, the

wheel and they can do like a phenomenal job. It really is like most of them, phenomenal to every businesses, even Google use them, even Facebook use them. You know, it's like, it's, phenomenal to every businesses. Even Google use them. Even Facebook use them. You know, it's like it's a different era. So, yeah, did I see like the top celebrity? Also Princess and Royalty from Europe, you know, I used to take care of it. We used to close the building for them. Musician like Drake, you know, it's like all of these people, like,

and they know they're safe here. We take care of them. Nobody, you know, like, you know, they's like all of these people, like, and they know they're safe here. We take care of them. Nobody, you know, like, you know, they have the privacy. We have cameras all over the building. You see a paparazzi in the beginning. So the police are better to kick them out. But today they don't even need paparazzi because everybody, they're on publicist with their phone and everything.

They're the opposite. They wanted this. But the one thing I wanted to say here, Lauren, the most important thing, which is I'm so proud of it, really one of this. But the one thing I want to say here, Lauren, the most important thing, which is I'm so proud of it, really proud of it. I was the pioneer 30 years ago when I was in the 20s. I came with something nobody even thought is going to be one of the best things in the universe. And it's going to be the oil. You remember the story about the oil of this woman I started in the very beginning?

The oil conquered in my head. When I decided I'm going to be chemist and I decided to be technician for skin, I took the word oil and converted to my business. So I start with this. When I, when a very beginning, when I came to the US, start the glycolic acid, the microdermabrasion. They used to be with salt and crystal and silica, like residue of the beach, you know, the sand of the beach, which is like a glossy. And people used to come to me like, it's like completely, completely scratch and bleeding and oozing

and like really up to like infected. Michael needs to try some of the omega oil. We got to get him some, but go on. Lauren just hides you from me. Every time she's like, I'm like, where are you going? She doesn't even tell me that. No, Michael, I have a better idea. You have to come to me and you have your own bag.

That's what I'm telling you. Lauren's hiding you from me. She won't let me come. Every time she goes, she's greedy. She doesn't let me come. Oh my God. Commodity, commodity, yeah. She's like, I'm like, she doesn't even tell me where she's going.

And next thing I know, the only way I know, I see her stories and there you are. Michael, but it's going to be the very kind of like tricky because you're going to come to me, you're going to have your own pack, but then you're not going to look for whatever you use up to now. You're going to say like, I'm not looking back. I'm looking from here on. Well, let me ask you this. I'm excited.

But most people that come see, or maybe most men, because there's a lot of some men that listen to the show, a lot of women that have men listening to the show. And like a lot of men don't know where to start. They don't know what to do. Like, what is the most common issue that you treat men for? The common issue used to be a lot is like men, they used to have ingrown hair a little bit. They didn't know how to shave. And I teach a lot of celebrity how to shave, even like, you know, it's like every celebrity. How do you shave? Hold on. You have to tell us how to shave. So for men, you know, like you have to put like your cleanser. If it's going to be a gel or it's going to be milk or it's going to be even oil.

You leave it on your skin every time in the morning, brush your teeth. After like a minute or two, the hair is very, very soft. And you take basically the shaver and you go one way. Yeah. One way. One way, one way. Hold on. You don't leave your product on though for a minute before you do that

to soften the hair she's saying. You don't do that. But I also, I rarely like fully shave. Okay, but if you do shave, you need to do this. I shave my vagina. Should I do this on my vagina too? You have to do the same.

Our producer shaves his balls. Should he do this on his balls? The same thing. Okay. Two minutes. Two minutes. It doesn't matter. This guy's got a big razor burn problem back there.

He's got these flares all over. The only thing you have to look in the mirror, it's like danger himself. So yeah, but also tricky, the hair men also grow like a three direction or four sometime from the side. Back here on the neck and on the area. Yeah, so you have to go still with the direction.

So how do you know? Basically, you take your finger and then kind of touch it and you see where is it smooth. from the side. Back here on the neck and on the area. Yeah, so you have to go still with the direction. So how do you know? You basically, you take your finger and then kind of touch it and you see where is it smooth. Your hand goes slide, very smooth. You know it's the right direction to go.

And you not go the opposite. The moment you feel like your hand, you go back and forth, you say, ah, this is like resistant. You don't go with the resistant. And you shave one time. You don't shave like back and forth, back and forth. Only with the resistant. And you shave one time, you don't shave like

bake and fall, bake and fall, only with a flow, only with the growth of your hair. That's a good trick. I'm telling you. Eric McCormick, one time he said to Ellen DeGeneres,

he said, my crazy esthetician teach me how to shave since then. I don't have like, you know, a problem with like ingrown or anything.

How do I get rid of that? Sometimes I get red here on the nose. My eyes get dark. My forehead looks like it's falling off sometimes. So basically, the dark circle, we do eye cupping. Scooping. Scooping.

So the scooping is a certain massage with acupressure. And then the eye cupping, I kind of like with instrument, I suck all the fluid to the top, to the surface, and release them. So what happens is they're drawn through the lymph node, and they give you clarity completely. You can see after the first time your picture before and after. It's a game changer. Yeah, you should go to her.

Here's what I'm going to do. You should go to her. I'm going to get your information, and then I'm going to lie to Lauren and say, hey, I got to go down the street to the office. And then the next thing... When you come back and you want to see how she's going to be... Then it'd be a story of me and you. I'm going to be like, whoa, let's have sex. I'm going to let her find out the same way I find out when she lies. She goes,

I'm going down the street. And the next time I see her story and she's with you, I'm going to do the same thing. Also, I want to say something about the under eyes because this is important. And I've talked about it on Instagram story. A lot of eye creams give me milia, which you have a little bit. And so do I. It's those little tiny white bumps that everyone has. And I've noticed that the eye balm that you created, and we're going to talk about this, it has a tightening effect and a relaxing with the CBD. It's like a caffeine CBD eye balm.

But the trick is the eye balm is different than the cream because the cream makes you sort of sweat under your eyes and makes the milia worse. Your eye balm does not give me milia. takes it away well i have a confession to make too sometimes i steal lauren's product it says sonia on the top and i go in and there's that what's the blue one what's the blue night one are you lying to me or not no i'm not i swear i steal it he like he washes his butthole with my cleanser and puts lamere on his knees i see this i see no what's the one it's like a it's a night product it No, what's the one? It's like a, it's a night product. It's kind of like blue. And it's like a.

Oh, the Blue Butterfly. Blue Butterfly. I steal it from my sister now. Blue Butterfly is my favorite. Now I know why you want Jara every single week. Now I know you have a partner. Is that stuff good for me?

Silent partner. Is that stuff good for me to use or no? For me? Oh my God, yes, yes. So I want to really recap of this thing very, very quick. So how did this come?

When I saw like a 30, 25 years ago, a lot of people came, like glycolic acid was very in fashion. And then microdermabrasion, we said like all kind of particle, which is, first of all, is not healthy and B, damaging because it's scratching the surface. And an esthetician or doctor's offices, even doctor did it at a time, used to go very deep and start oozing, you know, the skin. And that basically, pastoral eye like infection. So they used to come to me, Sonia, what should I do? What should I do?

So I kind of researched it and I thought, like, what should I give them? Like, Neosporin, Polisporin. Polisporin was not even at the time. I said, give it to them. But then I know it's petroleum. It's a mix with petroleum. So nothing wrong to take like antibiotic and put in your face. And petroleum is bad for your thyroid.

Petroleum is bad for your thyroid because it goes through the blood cell, particularly when you have injury. And also, and by the way, I find that a lot of people have allergy to it just as well. They get swollen like completely, like moms, you know, in their face, like very swollen. But the most important thing is like people that come with acne and they make it even like more, like, you know, spread all over. So I have to research. We didn't have Google at the time.

So we have libraries. So I went to the library and I researched and said, how I can help my client to get rid of the crustiness, the bleeding, the oozing, the pustula, you know, all of these things. How can I do it? So I find out they used to use in the 14th century, it happened like the MedCop, particularly in England, and a lot of like pharmacists lost, you know, all that, you know, the farm, you know, the animal, like, you know, cow and everything else, and they used to leave out of it. So they find out how to stop it. Though, coincidentally, they discover, you know, the flaxseed, omega from flaxseed.

Flaxseed is natural. We know it. And they're one of the most, they said, if the world's going to be in starvation, they can feed the world with the flaxseed for 30 years and be survived. That's how it's like the most high in protein and healing and antibacterial. So they took this flaxseed, you know, and they start rubbing it in the animal, the cow and the sheep and everything else. And also they clean the species from the floor completely.

And they find that it's completely, completely stopped. There was like pandemic for the animal. And I thought, wait a minute, if that's such an incredible result, why I cannot use it and heal people's skin? Also, I use it like antibacterial and also will heal skin. So I bought like a big, like, you know, like not a drum, like a few gallon. And I start spreading, you know, give it to people to start for free, sample after this, and voila. When I saw people come to me a week after, it's like everything starts healing, the question

is gone. And I saw healing rosacea or psoriasis, they take steroero, they take all of this thing. And I thought like, I really discovered like, like California discovered the gold at a time. You know, it's like, you know, 150, 200 years ago. So I thought this is a miracle. I'm going to battle it. So what I did as then I did, you know, separate them to group, you know, for oily skin, for sensitive skin, for like, you know, all kind of like six then. And now I did it like only like two for like separated, like for dry

and sensitive skin, like rosacea, mature skin, or even like sensitive skin, like low and shape sensitive skin. So it's not about like aging or oily in combination and acne. So when this is like the oil came, everybody, Lauren, want to stone me with stone, like throw me a stone. He said, oil? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I said, why? He said, no, I can't. I have acne. They basically, they used to wash their faces with like a little sulfate at a time, which is like we use it for our laundry, you know, Proactiv even came after. So, you know what, then all of these things, and I said, no, no, no, no, no,

that very leathery wash, you know, with little sulfate, they use the same obstacle now, you know, for laundry. And then also no moisturizer, the skin, the acne became crack out, you know, even more. So it's like starving, like somebody want to do a diet. And then what happened? No, I'm not going to go 1400 calories, I'm going to go for 300 calories. Wow, 300 calories, I can lose all my weight like in one month. Guess what? You're going to have heart condition, cardiopulmonary arrest, you're going

to have a blood pressure, you're going to have diabetes. And you know what, I promise you in a month, you're not going to be in this earth. I love, I love, I'm a huge fan of oil. I've always been. That's my first love. So then I became famous, like became famous, and oil really start, like the population start loving it. And funny thing, Lauren, 20 years after, 22 years after, the world started accepting oil. So I was a pioneer for oil. I invented with Omega, vegan, the pioneer, the first one in the world. And this Omega, you can cover your child's Zaza. It's like 100% and can get rid of even saburia for baby.

It can get rid of Taylor's razor burn. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. What happened is like peeled off and they have a brand new skin. So that's the whole thing.

Pioneer of oil. Me, I can have to have. Yes, yes, yes. He wants the oil. We have seven minutes left of the podcast. So I need to ask you fire questions. Okay. So that means like I'm going to ask like a couple like problems that people have that

have written in and give us like a sentence or two of how to fix it. Okay. And maybe you can give us an at-home remedy and then what product you like of yours. Okay. First one, hyperpigmentation. Okay. Hyperpigmentation come very, very quick from several reasons. Birth control, PL, when you go to the sun, you get the UVA, UVB, and they're creating like the melanin to be like completely like in a group, you know,

side, and then became like the skin like dark, you know, in certain area, it's not. Or also pregnant woman or somebody really love the sun too much, and that's how it comes. How to fix hyperpigmentation? So I don't believe in hydroquinone or anything like this because it's medical, go to the bloodstream, and it's a no-no. So I believe I create something which is the call it the fed away. The fed away chem extract from, believe they call it, extract from daisies. It's really spread out all over your face. And basically in a month, you can see the big difference. Pregnant women can wear it,

breastfeeding, cancer patient, every patient can wear it. Men, women, regardless the color, the background, the complexion, absolutely fit everybody. It's natural and vegan. Okay. And let's talk about women or men of different colors, different races. Like, is there something that they should do differently? Or can we all use the products? Can we do stuff at home? By the way, I want to add one more thing for the hyperpigmentation. Please, please, please work with SPF number 30.

Don't believe in number 40 or 70. Everything is all gimmick. Number 30 is SPF 98 protection UV and UVB. So you save for cancer and also you save for beauty, not the spot. Number two, yes, my products you can have, you know, men and women can wear it. Young children, depend the skin condition. Of course, if they're acne and adult, if they have like mature skin and obstacle, they're not the same products. But my line can feed like young and adult, men and women, all kind of complexion, regardless

of light or dark, 100% can feed all skin. Rosacea. Rosacea. I'm maybe one of the best ones in the country to treat rosacea without medication. Rosacea, first of all, you have to know it's genetic too. And acne is also genetic, a lot of it, and hormonal. Maybe you can speak on rosacea and acne. Yeah. So acne and rosacea basically is also like genetic. I see a lot of our customer with a lot of like really painful situation in the skin, most like it, I would say like 90% go by genetic. But it doesn't mean you have to carry genetic obstacle

appearance and biological all your life. You can definitely dissolve it. All you have to find is where is the solution and how fast you can go and be partnered with this to cure it. So again, you know, rosacea is genetic, but also you have to know even before I'm going to come back how I can treat it. You have to avoid spicy food. You have to have a lot of coffee. You have to avoid hot sun without the spirit to go out. Sauna, hot shower is absolutely a deadly weapon to your skin.

Now, how you can have rosacea to take care of it. We need to expand all the expand of broken capillaries in the skin very thin. It's kind of shine away. And alcohol is a murder for your skin. Absolutely. You have to be careful of that because your capillaries just look pretty and you can't even talk about it at all. So what I said to my client, I don't want them to be cold turkey to stop like a fun a little bit. So even your rosacea, if you want to drink alcohol, drink like half a cup twice a week instead like full glass. And that's okay.

But definitely you have to have SPF. You have to have HAT. Everything else, that's a no-no and yes, yes. How I treat it, I treat it with all kind of light treatment. I treat it with my oil, with a blue butterfly. And that, I promise you, rosacea will be diminished like in a few weeks. And even you cannot come to my clinic. Take the note what not to do, which is I just mentioned it now.

And then practically is like to do all the yes, you know, to do that healthy food and everything else. And the top of it, the oil, the blue butterfly, the nanomass, it's like a lifesaver. You don't have to come to me. You can really help your skin by taking several products and you will be a leader for your skin. One more. And then I want to tell the audience my favorite product of yours, because I have one that I use every single day. The last one that I want to ask you that a lot of people struggle with, and I think it's a misconception, we've talked about it, is under eye circles. And maybe you can also simultaneously speak on filler in the under eye and how it like isn't the best thing to do. Okay. So the under, you know, the dark circle under the eyes and sometimes come not just dark.

Fortunately, sometimes we have a dark but hollow, like I call it, the dark plate around your eyes. And then sometimes they come puffy eyes. It's like really raccoon, like a dark eyes and puffy. So what do you do? Like two kind of thing. One is like under, you know, like, you know, it's basically one is like drawn in the skin and one is up. Just to let you know very, very quick, the eye area, it's only fiber built up from tissue and vessels of blood. We don't have any oil glands under the eye. So we don't have the protection we have in our face and all our entire body. Our entire body, the two

area we don't have oil is like the lip is all protein and blood vessels, tissue, and that area. So a lot of people also have amelia, like Lauren just mentioned it. It's like this small pocket at white, which is no doctor can attach it because it's dangerous. It can block like vessels. And also it's like you cannot take it off. We just like burn it and you have like a hole, black mark on your eyes.

So the only thing is like I do copying, you know, at the work, but we create amazing, amazing, I was thinking about it, like how I can get rid of puffy eyes, dark eyes, as like a drawn suck into the eyes, it's like cavey eyes. We call it the dark blade. So I came with like the, the jet, the jet energy, the eye jet energy bomb, which is, I love it. It's look like very thick, like

oily kind of frozen. And which is like, it's a green because it's a hundred percent extract for green coffee. The green coffee is before, before minute brown one, it's basically roasted. This is the natural green. So we took it from the peas of the green, from the very baby, the first growth, the first stage, and we extract everything, all the extraction and the oil from it completely. So basically what coffee does, we know it, when you take coffee, we have kind of like energy in the morning because it's stimulating the blood flow. That's exactly what it does.

The green coffee even 10 times as much. So stimulating here, the all vessel, the blood growth. And so what happened when you have a stimulation is a drone help you out to drone the toxic, you know, and the puffiness into the lymph node. Lymph node is like basically like a gel. Go into this microscopically and drain them out completely. So it became like all of it, it became smooth, helping the small microscopic, like white, the white dot, we call it the milia.

It's like a polka dot. Get rid of it, melt it away and doesn't create anymore. But also they have a CBD, which is anti-inflammatory, which is I love. And also we have like a high oil. It's like basically like the retin-A skin cells renewal, but it's natural and 100% vegan and green and safe for every ages, every complexion, every young or adult, it's 100% safe. And the most beautiful thing I want to set alone for the finishing, application of eye area is not just the eye here. I have learned, and I basically create, application have to be sunglasses and eyeglasses.

You take a little bit and you put it like one, two, three, and four. Why? Here, I want to get rid of the expression line. Here to lift the eye. Here to get rid of cross feet completely. After the hairline, go ahead, full inch between the bra bone and the hairline, and then go here with all this area, the cheekbone.

As we get a little bit older and I see it, it's crazy, an age of like 20-something, the eye here, like you have the split here. I call it the split division between the cheekbone and your face here. And then also it shows us, it's like we get older. Show us like not youth looking. So if you do all of this with the hydrodynamic all the way, basically you do acupressure and you stimulate all the area where the fine lines start to be, you know, just to show appearance,

get rid of it. So that's basically not enough. So basically we paralyze and we nourish the circles. So to give you guys a visual, it's a big, huge, oversized sunglass. Your eyes, your lens now, it's like sunglasses, this size. Okay. So we go

all the way above. So we call it sunglasses all the way here. Then we take a little bit more. We do eyeglasses, eyeglasses, the nitty gritty. We go all the way here. We start here for the, you know, beginning of the bridge of our nose. We go all the way to our eyelid. We need to do it. We need to do a tutorial on Instagram story on this. Yeah. And then, yeah, basically you go all the way underneath. So you protect it. The very, very fine skin without oil at all. It's only fiber. And then also here we put a lot of makeup not to be dry. So we protect the eye area and tightening and lifting above the eye area. Sonia, you are a wealth of knowledge.

You're smart. You're entrepreneurial. Thank you so much for coming on. Before you guys go, I just want to let you know that we are going to be doing a giveaway. So stay tuned at the end of this episode for all my personal favorites. If you're going to start with one thing, I would highly recommend the Blue Butterfly Bomb. I've talked about this forever. I use it every day. I use it on Michael. I use it on the baby. It just smells so good. I'm obsessed. And then if you're going to start with a second product, I personally recommend the one we were just discussing, which is the

Jade Energy Eye Balm. You can use Skinny Balm, B-A-L-M, at checkout. You get 15% off. So we're going to include this discount code at the end and then also a giveaway. Stay tuned. Tell everyone where they can find you on your Instagram and your website before you go. Okay, so first of all, just so that everybody knows, like Lauren Finn and follower and Michael, the product is vegan, 100%.

It's a plant-based and natural. You can put it to anybody and you can sleep at night and you know nothing going to happen to you. It's amazing. Second, they can go to sonnetacar.com, right? So sonnetacar.com and what else? Instagram. Oh, the Instagram.

Sonnetacar Instagram, right? And we're going to link everything up. Okay. So Michael and Lauren, I'm not very good in like the detail of Instagram. That's not what I do. So that's why you're here. You know what I do? I do skin. She is fun. She's a hoot. Come back on anytime. We love you. Thank you so much. It was so a pleasure. I love you so much, Lauren. We love you. And I became in love with you too. I'm in love with you too. Get your eyes scooped or we're getting divorced. And I cannot wait to see Zaza.

For the giveaway with Sonia Dakar, we are doing a Sonia Times TSC giveaway. It is going to contain all my favorite products from Sonia. Think the Butterfly Bomb, Jade Energy, the one that doesn't give you milia, and definitely the Omega Oil. I'm sure she'll throw in some of her favorites too. I'm putting my book in it. It's kind of like an Easter basket, but in August. So huge giveaway.

All you have to do to win is follow at Sonia Dakar on Instagram and then tell us your favorite Sonia Dakar product on my latest Instagram at The Skinny Confidential. One winner, like I said, is going to receive all my favorites, some of Sonia's and The Skinny Confidential book. It'll be in a fun, cheeky basket, and we will ship it right to you. With that, I hope you guys loved this podcast with Sonia, and we will see you on Tuesday. This episode is brought to you by Glossier. Everyone loves Glossier. They have makeup products, body care products, and fragrance.

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