The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Spencer Pratt - No Holds Barred, Reality Secrets, & Why Nothing Is Unwritten Now

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

#391: On today's episode we are joined by the one and only, Spencer Pratt. Spencer joins the show today for a no holds barred conversation.  In typical Spencer fashion he let's us know what really goes on in the world of entertainment. What it was like during the heyday of Hollywood celebrity fame, and how he has evolved since then. We also discuss the return of The Hills and the part he plays for that show.  To connect with Spencer Pratt click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential  The Hot Mess Ice Roller is here to help you contour, tighten, and de-puff your facial skin and It's paired alongside the Ice Queen Facial Oil which is packed with anti-oxidants that penetrates quickly to help hydrate, firm, and reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, leaving skin soft and supple. To check them out visit www.shopskinnyconfidential.com now.  This episode is brought to you by No Days Wasted Their hero product is called DHM Detox, which is the vitamin for people who like to enjoy their drinks. It’s designed to help you bounce back the next day. Get 20% off your order and free shipping in the US. Just head over to www.NoDaysWasted.CO/SKINNY and use promo code "SKINNY” at checkout This episode is brought to you by Skillshare. Skillshare is an online learning space offering more than 25,000 courses. Join the millions of students already learning on Skillshare today with a special offer just for our listeners: Get two months of Skillshare for free. That’s right, Skillshare is offering The Skinny Confidential listeners two months of unlimited access to over 25,000 classes for free. To sign up, go to www.skillshare.com/skinny This episode is brought to you by BETABRAND and their Betabrand dress pant yoga pants. To try these pants go to betabrand.com/skinny and receive 20% off your order. Millions of women agree these are the most comfortable pants you’ll ever wear to work.  Produced by Dear Media 

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Aha! I had, I guess, my ear to the street. Like, I could feel, like, you guys are all out. Like, we're done. Like, this is a wrap. Like, Jersey Shore is wiping us out. Like, I felt that because I didn't have the, like, ego in, like, in the sense of I had been, like, super loved. Like, ooh.

Like, I had the ego, like, for what I earned and created. But I didn't have, like, a false sense of reality. Like I, cause I was hated. I was the bad guy. You know, a lot of things were happening, but that was another of kids were like, were you really going crazy? And then it's like, yeah, I was about to lose millions. Like the next deal was so many more millions. Like, like, yeah, like this was my life and I was spending it all because it-Jersey Shore, it was not going anywhere. It was going to be season 12, not season six. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is a long awaited and very anticipated episode. I'm surprised it took us this

long to do it. I'm surprised it took us this long to sit down with our guest today. He is Spencer Pratt. He is no holds barred. He is outspoken. He is honest. He is raw. We had a lot of fun with this one. And I'm surprised that it took us, again, this long to do this. And in this episode, the rest is not unwritten. Okay. We got the rest of the story. We got the whole story. We're looking at the whole pie here, not just a slice. What I personally like about Spencer is that he is unapologetically himself and he tells it how it is. And sometimes I think people take it abrasive, but it's not abrasive. He's just being honest. It's rare. And listen, we do this a lot now, almost 400 of these episodes talking to all sorts of different people, all sorts of different walks of life. It's rare to get somebody that comes in, bears it all, is not afraid to be himself,

speaks his truth, is not afraid to speak his truth. They make, honestly, they make the best guests. They make the best people. Yeah. I think that a lot of the people that come on podcasts are usually guarded or they have PR people. And so to have someone come in and just lay it all on the line is super refreshing. I actually met Spencer when I was in, I think I was in 12th grade in high school. We went to Cabo and we partied with him there.

I think he was just launching the show, Princes of Malibu. And he kicked my friend down the stairs at Squid Row. True story. That's another podcast. And I remember vividly because I was laughing so goddamn hard. We told him that. Was that in the episode? I don't know. But we told him that when he came in the studio. All right, let's introduce Spencer. Spencer Pratt is an American reality television personality. You may know him from The Hills. I know I watched. He was dating Heidi Montag, who was one of the main stars of the show. He ended up getting married to her on television. I know you guys have watched The Hills. I feel like everyone has. He was also on the American

version of I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here. I loved, loved, loved him on that show. I feel like they had to eat all different kinds of bugs. Now he has a very popular podcast. He's also one of the stars of The Hills, New Beginnings. He's a father. He's a husband. Let's welcome Spencer Pratt to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. We have someone in studio that I have harassed for probably a year to come on the podcast because he is so candid. You guys are freaking out in my DMs. Spencer Pratt. Wow.

Thank you for that intro. Yeah. Shout out Anya at Bell Campo, my new manager who was recently on your podcast and was like, Spencer, you need to go on this podcast. And I was like showing her my text messages with you like, no, I know. I'm like, we're going to, she's like, no, you need to do it. Like, this is so big. This is like perfect alignment. I was like, and she never told me to do anything before.

I was like, besides like how to cook the steak good. And so it was okay. We clear my switch. I'm not at the zoo or not the zoo. I'm not at the museum with Gunnar and Heidi and Gunnar's obsessed with dinosaurs. That's how big today is. Oh, that's nice. No, we're going to go a lot. You know, we're going to go a lot. He loves dinosaurs. Before we get into the episode, what's your

Balcampo order? Oh, well, I eat in at the Santa Monica one always. So my order is the bone in tomahawk, the cauliflower rice, the broccolini, animal fat fries. And I start with the bone broth with half beef, half poultry. Oh my God. No, he's very specific with his orders. If you watch the show too, with your burritos, like you tell him to fuck around. Yeah. But I am sick of being the food person. I want to get back to like being like, oh, he's a healthy person. Look at that. That's a healthy guy. I'm on a journey. Today was one of my first days. I didn't have a breakfast burrito, the Pratt Daddy Burrito at Erewhon, only because I got there too late.

What is in the Pratt Daddy Burrito at Erewhon? So it's the bacon breakfast burrito. But the hack really is how this happened is if you're in a hurry, the Erewhon burritos are incredible to just grab and go. But like, if you're a real breakfast burrito person, it's like to-go food, you know, it's not. So I was always like, yeah, may I get the bacon breakfast? And they're like, oh, here it is. I'm like, no, I want a fresh one. They're like, oh no, but we have these. I'm like, so my hack was, oh, I want a biodynamic avocado in there. So now they're making it fresh for me and it's hot. And so, and then I started using

the Air One Habanero hot sauce. I'll buy a bottle of it. Oh, that sounds great. And right now it's currently out of stock. And it's the first time I was upset. I became a micro-influencer, but somebody DMed me and said, I'm actually an influencer according to my numbers.

But I was calling myself a micro-influencer, but I promoted this hot sauce and it's now sold out everywhere. So this is my doing because it was never sold out and it has nothing to do with probably being hard to get organic habaneros. But long story short, that's how it was created. So it is the bacon air wand breakfast cereal with avocado and it comes with the habanero hot sauce on the side, which usually you have to buy a $20 bottle to even get that. So, I mean, it's incredible. I bought it and I'm taking it to Texas. So yeah, like I totally agree with you. And I've tried all the hot sauces. It's not like, I don't know, hot sauce. And the fact that it's, you know, organic and biodynamic all wins. I know. Air One's the best, but it's so expensive.

What's the best burrito that's not expensive? People say that. It's like I used to shop at Gelson's. Gelson's is expensive. You're right. You're right. You're right. If you want organic, grass-fed, if you want to eat clean and healthy, you're spending money. Maybe it's a couple of dollars more, but also the energy of like-minded vibe people and the auras i interact with it's worth it so that's where i'm at with that one thing that i have always wanted to talk with you about and i've seen it after watching the hills probably gonna say cabo not cabo cabo we talked about off air spencer and i met when we were 17 years old in cabo but that's a different story story for a different day story for that's for the Patreon that's coming

soon. That's for the Patreon that Michael hasn't watched yet. He kicked my head down the stairs and I sat off to the corner and laughed. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Enough time's passed. That's where the limitations pass. Okay, he tripped. Michael kicked him down the stairs. I would have kicked him if you didn't. It was self-defense. You're a really good

dad and no one I feel like ever asks you about this. You're probably one of the best dads I've ever seen. Did that come natural to you? My dad is like the greatest dad. And that's why I was always so worried about being a parent. I felt like I couldn't be him. Like my dad is like the nicest. He's like out of a black and white TV show, like leave it to the beaver level, a good dad. So I grew up with such high expectations of like, oh my God, I can't be that selfless. And I'm still not even at my dad's level. I'm still a pretty selfish person. So that was always challenging, but I

had that to grow up with and be like, oh my God, I know what a good dad is like. So that is where I feel like I give credit to Skipper on that one. And then also just once you're, for some people, I don't know, maybe other people, but for me, once you're a parent, like, like, oh my God, like it just changed my life so much that it actually came naturally because like, this is all I care about now. And I've done so many things wrong in my life selfishly that I'm like so excited to have opportunity to like do a redo and like not have my son do things that I want to do but like what don't do like I wish I you know my dad was great but he definitely let me he was busy he's like works from 6 a.m to 7 p.m every night I got

to go through do a lot of things that i probably shouldn't have done that i'm going to be able to um you know advise my son not to do just from just life so that i'm more excited about do you guys have like a morning or nighttime routine i feel like you seem like you're always with him like you're always hanging out uh yeah every night you know so he has to eat by like six is late so we try to have him in that he has a bath or a shower he's more in the bath uh yeah he's in the bath every night by six goals to have him in bed by seven minimum three books i go hide in his room under like a blanket. And even though he knows I'm there, he's like, where's dad? And comes in and he finds me. And then like Heidi reads one or I'll read one or should read two. We like argue because these books are getting longer. And it's like,

I feel like I'm now at school. I'm like, not this book again. It's the longest book ever. So, and then he's usually, you know, hopefully out by eight. And then we ask like, who do you want to stay for extra minute? And it's like, and then he'll say like, mom, you're daddy. And then we stay there like, as he falls asleep and then we go upstairs and drink lots of wine. We're in the one and a half year old stage, which is a lot. I would say it's, I, when people told me this, me this it's like oh it's so easy when they're baby i'm like what the hell are you talking about like no it's not like from like birth to

uh three is the easiest thing ever when they're three like the terrible twos didn't exist i was like oh two terrible twos this is easy three is like this kid thinks they are 25 years old and should get their own condo and it's mind boggling and they're like if you have a strong boy like i'm scared of gunner like he will like he's scary like don't hit me please like so i would just say appreciate how easy it is right now that's what i keep telling everybody i'm like oh my god look at that cute easy baby because you can also still be like we're going to blah blah blah and that's it like I'm obsessed with Mexican food Don Antonio's is like my I don't get to eat Don Antonio's anymore because Gunner it's like we're not going like it's because you want it that he's not saying he doesn't know he doesn't

eat Mexican food I've never been there neither is Michael and I always see it on the show and I'm like I need to try this place. Well, you won't be taking Gunner. And so that's a great example. Like as a baby and like, you know, one and a half to like, we're going to Don Antonio's. You're going to sit there and you know, it is what it is. But once it's like, and then it becomes like, it's not worth the fight. Like I don't want Don Antonio's anymore.

You know, obviously we could be like, we're in charge. But it's like, you know, we've tried that a couple of times. It's like, was that a fun meal? No. Yeah. That's always, it's always hard when it's not a fun meal. I was thinking about you and all in this context, like even like going back to the, like the first time we ever saw you met briefly on it, like this was before everything was before the Hills and before you were on television, Princess of Malibu. It was before everything. And I was thinking about how much has happened for you and to you and with you since then. When you look back on your life and your career, is it kind of like boggle your mind sometimes? It's all the things that you guys have been through. summer is here the drinks are flowing and we have you covered with no days wasted you know what no days wasted hasn't it michael bostick i know it has a lot of good stuff that keeps me feeling good

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Because I truly know... Because it was early. Yeah, if I could have documented from even high school, my high school life was so out of a movie, unbelievable. Like how? I grew up in LA with some of the wealthiest freaking friends with jets and all the beach houses and the houses I used to party in,

I still don't even get to go in now as an adult. Like, cause these, it's way past my demo, let's say. So I grew up in like a, I used to watch Cruel Intentions all these years. I'm like, I'm not always killing these movies because they don't have the budget to really experience what I did.

So if I had an iPhone, I could have just flexed off of my social circles world. I would have been one of these famous kids already at pre-television. So that's always frustrating knowing how much clout I could have had, like based off of what's famous now, like outfit wise and every, just so much budget in my brand. Cause I'm now just a brand I'm famous for. Like, so all the lost years of trips and lifestyle and private jets.

And even then when Heidi and I were living like, yeah, we spent millions of dollars, but we didn't get to show it. So it would have to show it. So it would have been worth it if all that was Instagram posts, YouTube channel. Because I know you're savvy. You would have figured out,

like if you could have shared all that, you would have found a creative way to like really share that, monetize that. Oh my God, Brody and I would have been like, I hate to say this out loud and be like, ew, you'd rather be them, but good for those millionaires. Like Jake Paul and Logan Paul,

if we'd had a YouTube, like we would have murdered their level. Like if these guys make 15 million for a fight, like there would have been definitely 15 million worth of people wanting to fight me, like money-wise alone.

In a weird way, when I think of you, like you've played that part of, and I don't think you're like this in real life, but you've played that part of the villain. You know, you're a polarizing character that draws attention. Like, and you know how to do it in a way or you've done that part of the villain, you're a polarizing character that draws attention. And you know how to do it in a way, or you've done it in a way that keeps people's attention

not in a harmful way. Does that make sense? Yeah. No. I give David Foster, shout out David Foster, Prince of Malibu. He would always tell me, be Simon Cowell. And I was like, okay, Dave, at this time, this guy's got 15 Grammys, the biggest house I've ever seen in my life and a smart guy. And he's telling me be Simon Cowell. But if I ever see Dave Foster again, I'd be like, one thing he, I keep telling people is he never realized, no, but people hated Simon Cowell for speaking the truth. Like you can't just be like a reckless villain. so that's the hard balance of like playing the villain without like context like yeah you know like i was just like oh and then

like you're saying like i was supposedly this hated guy because all this drama on the hills whatever it wouldn't even hit the radar in 2021 like that there was just nothing on tv then there was no drama there was no. There was no social media. People didn't get to post their own drama. There wasn't tick. So I wouldn't even hit the radar nowadays. So it is a blessing that I didn't even get to hit the radar. Yeah. That's, I look back on my life and that's the one thing that frustrates me is that I didn't get to film at all. Like these kids get to make me like David Dobrik, like I all do respect him. I just watched his new vlog last night. I'm like, this is great. But it's like, if I could film the people

in my life that, like, that I know that, like, it's my, like back then, you know, like when we saw in Cabo, if that Cabo trip was a vlog. So I just look at now what is monetized and what I missed out on, you know, it is what it is monetized and what I missed out on. You know, it is what it is. And I think I'd rather have been a famous television star than a famous YouTuber because I got to feel real fame, which when it existed, I don't even think it's real anymore. What was real fame? Because you guys were on the cover of every magazine. You were everywhere.

You couldn't look away. Real fame was like what I wanted, which didn't exist when I came into reality TV, was only for A-list movie stars. And we hacked into that game with the prolification of tabloids getting so crazy. And right when TMZ was hitting and Perez and Pink is the New Blank, all these digital things. So real fame was literally, you know, yeah, I used to call the paparazzi on myself, but also if we went where we know there'd be paparazzi, even if it wasn't just for us, but there would be 50 paparazzi. There was times when we drive and there'd be eight cars full of paparazzi. Like real fame was that level of just crazy. And yeah, this is when Us Weekly magazines were selling, likeidi has the record most sales

of an us weekly cover and it was like why spencer betrayed me or why i changed my mind like the silliest title ever but did like 1.8 million sales in a week like actual physical sales in market like that's a platinum plus album if you look at like pop music. So that was so much fun. And like, I don't, so I don't think I would trade. I don't think people can contextualize it nowadays, especially if you're younger and didn't see that in those days, because you're right. You guys were the first kind of people to break through to that, like traditional A-list talent and break in and like get the same type of attention actually, if not more. Right. And now if you think about people on reality television, like they're not getting near that type of attention.

It's because they're too, it's too saturated. Like they're posting their outfits that we then see in the show and they're too accessible. I just had that conversation saying that that's what also ruined A-listers. Like A-listers are too accessible. They wouldn't, back when I used to study and be obsessed with fame, that wouldn't even be possible. Just the commercials they take, the advertisements they do, just the checks that a real famous person now takes would never existed in the 90s, early 2000s. And then with reality, when the hills was popping popping there literally was only like survivor the bachelorette or bachelor pre it being like a cultural phenomenon it was just like like it was on back then i think but

i never even heard of it like it was but it was there like uh real world so there was 10 shows you know so that was also the difference on you you know, and there was nothing shot like a, like a movie the way they did shoot the hills with the hit music. I mean, I think the licensing music on an episode a week was like a hundred grand they were spending and the hits. So yeah, that was, you know, again, it was real fame in the sense that it was negative. I'm not saying I would be like, but now like this smart guy, this marketing podcast, I just went on this guy. I was like, man, should I be blocking all these? Like, cause now I get tagged in things and I just want to block people. Cause you know, Cameron was rapper on world star was like, I blocked 200,000 people. Like, and I got me all pumped up. Like I'm blocking everyone also. And then he was like, don't, he's like, attention is currency. So I realized that I got to block less people, but yeah, we didn't get monetized even that level of hate. Cause there weren't so many now with the influencer

world and how many brands want to tap into that. We didn't even make the money that we should have for that level of attention we were getting, you know, like our income was the show selling paparazzi photos, appearances in Vegas. Brand wise, like the amount of products I should have been every day, like hustling that- And your own products.

Yeah. Well, 100%. We just had Nick Ritchie on yesterday. I don't know if you remember. Yeah, I remember him. Kind of like same time, like it was kind of the same time span where he said the same thing.

The dirty, right? Yeah. And he's like, I couldn't monetize because it was just in that period of time. I mean, he should have been Barstool. That's what he was saying yesterday. Oh my God.

He was having the same frustration. People don't realize about you though. To me, you seem like a producer first. Well, with the Princess of Malibu, I was a producer and I got played so hard. It's my fault. So I was the youngest executive producer on network television. I was 20 years old. day one of filming for fox i had my walkie talkie that said spencer my earpiece and they were filming brody and his brother and i was like this is the coolest day ever

and then the new producer executive producer that just joined after like brody and i actually filmed it all summer like the that sold he comes in he's he's like, no, you get on camera, you know, and stir it up. And I'm like, nah, I got my walkie talkie. He's like, no, you still get your walkie talkie. And it's like, I got play, you know, like I didn't get jumping in front of that camera was it for my life. You know, it was, it was literally like in the matrix. I took the pill without realizing I was taking the pill. Like I was just like, oh, this will help make the show better. But there was no, nobody had ever done reality TV. So you didn't know you were like polarizing yourself and putting yourself in a box, which, you know, it is what it is. And it helped,

you know, I found Heidi through reality TV, dah, dah, dah, dah. And my life, if you'd asked me in high school, like what I was going to do, I would have been like a director, a producer, a studio executive, an agent, a man. Like those were all the jobs that I was planning on being so but you kind of like when I look at it you did do a lot of producing in a weird way on the first time of the hills and I feel like you got the cast back together on the second time so the when I came into the hills the reason the only reason I came on the Hills is because Prince of Malibu got canceled because Brody's mom filed for divorce the night after our premiere episode, after 20 years of marriage, perfect timing. She told Brody and I, don't worry, you'll get another network television show.

You're smart boys. Well, you did. No, not network, not network. I knew we were never going back on Fox after the Simpsons with the relaunch of Family Guy with our sponsor McDonald's and Coca-Cola. No, I knew that was a moment in time, Linda, And I was like, I'm going to do this. And now I go back to SC and I'm home from college for a day. My mom's best friend and her are watching this show. And they're like, Spencer, have you seen this show? And Lucy, my mom's best friend was like, you should date this girl. And point said, Heidi, Mike, what shows this? And they're like, oh, it's from Laguna beach. And I was like, oh, I know Laguna beach. Okay. It's the spinoff. And I'm looking at the credits coming in. I see executive producer of Sean Travis. I'm like, what? That fool just

worked for me. Like I literally was there for the day. We like hired Sean Travis. I had his cell phone number. I call him. I'm like, you have a new show on MTV and you didn't put Brody and I on. And he's like, oh, Spencer, Spencer. No, no. This is a set cast like from this spinoff. Like you, I can't like put you on. I'm like, yeah, you can. And he's like, no, it's not like that. I was like, where are you filming? He's like, well, we're filming on. I was like, well,inoff like you i can't like put you on i'm like yeah you can and he's like no it's not like that i was like where are you filming he's like we're filming on he's like well i'll see you in the club cool and so i call brody i'm like we need to get on this show he's like what show i'm like it's it it's in hollywood it's called like the hills because the first season was didn't even hit like a richter of like rel Tony DeSanto, anyone that's like, you should thank Lauren Spencer.

I do thank Lauren, great. But that's LC, right? Not you. And, but you DM Tony DeSanto, the president of MTV, and he will tell you the Hills was getting canceled until Brody and I came in. That's a fact. So it's like, no, she should thank me.

So eat mutual. I thank you and you can thank me. So I call Brody and I'm like, we need to pull up on this show. And he's like, how are we going to do it? I'm like, call Jared Najjar. Small world. Jared's dad was big papa from Kim Zosiac, like which I connected later. And I'm like, she really did have a big papa because Jared is the guy we called because Jared could drop 50 grand cash, buy up all the tables. So we bought up all the tables, the area,

to went on a filming night. Like we rolled up, like. I forgot about that place. And I'm like, what's up now, Sean? Like we got all the tables, like we're on camera now. And he's like, Spencer, you can't be doing this. And so then that gets kind of like put on, like that's our in.

And then Kristen is dating Brody at the time. Like this is the summer right before season two. So we put Sean on blast. Like we could pull up whenever we want and get on your show, but that didn't really like get us in the way that we were planning. So then Kristen introduced me to Heidi

and then Heidi and I were like a thing for a minute. But Heidi was like a player. Like people always like the way the show, if it was nowadays, they would show Heidi as the player that she was versus then it was like, let's make Spencer. But that wasn't the actual case. Like, yeah, she says, oh, you had all these girls. Like you had just as many guys you were dating. So she was a player, changed her phone number on me back when you had to like go to a store and do it,

which I took very personally. I was like, she like literally went to like Verizon or AT&T and like physically changed the phone number so I couldn't text her or whatever. Because I forget why. Something on a dance floor, she said I was, I had a move called the Cabo and she said she saw me do the Cabo.

I might've seen you do it. It was a famous dance. It was like, now it would be a TikTok dance nowadays. I can't do it. My back would go out now. Sometimes she's like, do the Cabo. I'm like, I'll have a heart attack. So that didn't happen.

And then, so I started plotting with like, Audrina was like, not down with Heidi. Like they weren't friends. Like she's always been a snake like she is now. And so she was down to like make it look, I don't know if she thought I was for real, but like my agenda was like, just make drama for the show.

Like, oh, I'll show up with you. But I don't even think maybe she knew or not. I don't know if she was in on that level, but that was my plan. So that worked. Heidi got all fired up and then boom, I'm in the game. And then so MTV West Coast office, shout out Radha Asa, he reaches out to me and he's like, Hey Spencer, we want to give you your own show. This is season two of The Hills. I'm like,

let's do it. So he's like, do you have an idea? I'm like, yeah, I'm Brody's manager, publicist, agent. Let's do this show idea. And it's ended up being called banking on brody and it's about like me like the idea was like breaking him into hollywood where like cameron dia like it was kind of like punked and like cameron diaz would be somewhere and like brody would show up like and i would have a paparazzi and i would make it look like brody was on a date with cameron diaz hijack him into fame so So the pilot was insane. Would have been a hit. They ended up East Coast makes all the calls of MTV back then.

Now there is no West Coast. Yeah, there is Viacom. But so they call and they're like, you're not taking Brody and Spencer from our hills. We're like, yeah, we're doing this. And they're like, well, we'll pay double with that.

I was like, oh, bye, spin-off, which was the dumbest thing. We probably should have just got our own show. It's hard to, it's a lot of things I go back like, was that that moment where you just go, no, we don't want to do this. I think it would have been too hard to kind of decipher this at this point because this is, at this time

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When we got canceled, it was 3.2 million. so it's just such a crazy world we live in and because they can't figure out where the ratings are because they're they like how do you track and then what's like brand like is this this brand's worth this much but they can't so it's just such a uh weird world so that's how we got into the hills. Yeah. Producing. So I came in with the actual executive producer as my like boy, and we had, it was called Operation Upstage. And that was to have Heidi and I upstage LC in every episode. So we went episode by episode. So like our storylines and our drama fake were so made up just to get more because it was her show. She was the narrator.

She didn't want us on the show. So we had to create such like this that it was like. They couldn't get rid of you. Exactly. The executors, like they bring in the ratings. She tried walking away from the show multiple times. She finally ended up doing it. And they were like, walk, like walk.

And so then when she did walk, they're like, walk. And they brought Kristen Cavallari on. So shout outisten cavallari genius um we love kristen cavallari she's she knows she knows how to read the room and she knows what she's doing finesse ben knowing it yeah but yeah i mean i brody and kristen lived together for a year at that mansion, that Casablanca. And I live there too. So I watched the like true, like her go into the game, like, you know, not to hate on her,

but she should be a movie star. Like if she'd want, like she was right there. Like, you know, she almost was like about to be a movie star. So I don't think she ended up working out better, but like,

she could have made that choice. Yeah. I think it was, if she, she just had like, it was almost there have made that choice. Yeah. I think it was if she, she just had like, it was almost there where she was, they were going to let her, I forget the movie that she had some big scripts in play.

And like I watched when she was, and she was young, so it could have happened, but she's only 20, probably 19. You also have said that in, and I totally see where you're coming from. You've said Elsie should have been what Kylie Jenner is.

So this is crazy. This is the most hate I've had in years. So Heidi just went on Call Her Daddy, shout out that fricking legend, fricking Alexandra Cooper, my new inspiration. Yeah, $60 million lady. So Heidi just went on Call Her Daddy.

They talked for three hours straight. They cut it down on hours. Heidi doesn't edit it. So one little part of this, and I read the transcript just because I really want to see why things, this is how the media works and how the internet works. E-news takes a three hour podcast that's then an hour and they take one quote and they put Heidi's and the quote the E-news posted says something like LC is not where she should be in life or whatever. It's like, boom, creates the craziest, like Heidi, some hater dragging her when all. So what Alexandra Cooper brought up is she says like good for LC for not like chasing after like reality TV, which isn't factual. Hit Google, go to Deadline

Hollywood, check out when LC shopped her own show, shot it, MTV passed on it. Hit Google, go to Deadline Hollywood, check out when Elsie shopped her own show, shot it, MTV passed on it. So it's not like she didn't want to do reality TV. She couldn't without people that want to make it TV. Like, you know, maybe if she wanted to hit TV and you showed her real killer personality, she could be hit. But if you want to curate your life and image craft, nobody's watching that. So check Google. That's a fact. So that's a misunderstood thing where people think she doesn't want to be on reality TV. Yeah. Maybe she doesn't want to be on the Hills where she will get eaten alive because people would now call you out. So yeah, all I said was, so I go in the comment section

just to explain the context on this e-news post. E! though. I don't regret it. I got 3,000 new followers off this post. So it was a blessing backstory. Elsie never did her own or always did her own makeup. She was really good at her own makeup. Kylie's a billionaire for makeup. Makeup existed when we were doing TV. Instead of being in Kohl's doing cheap clothes, maybe she missed the play on makeup. She got famous. She could have used her fake eye drop meme where she wasn't really crying. That was a meme where she put eye visine, which is amazing. It was a scripted show, but she wasn't crying as visine. But here's the ad. When your best friend makes you cry, you need or your boyfriend or whatever.

You need eyeliner that will stick. Blunt. Use that photo. You license it from MTV. Done. You're a billionaire. So all I was saying, and it's not, I wish she was a billionaire. You were pointing out that like this was possible.

I have to be honest. This is not hate. I'm saying this is factual observation. And people are like, well, where are you? I was never supposed to be a billionaire. I wasn't even supposed to be on a show. I'm supposed to be hated. I'm right where I'm supposed to be actually.

So, and they're like, how much money do you have? Google says you have 300,000. I'm like, no, actually I wish I had 300,000. They're like, please show me I have $30 actually. So that, and they're like, how's your life? I'm like, I love my life. I didn't, I also didn't say the LC doesn't like her life. All I'm saying is that, you know, in defense of Heidi's S paragraph, it was like, they took out of a paragraph and it was all to be like, well, look at Kristen because Alexander Cooper says

that LC was the most successful other show. It's like, no, Kristen has 60 million plus dollars, gonna be a billionaire one day, without a doubt, with Uncommon James and Little James and whatever, you know. So no, she was just giving her facts because Alexander Cooper is a young lady,

what are you, 26, 27? You actually don't know these facts because- Shelexander cooper is a young lady when he 26 you'd actually don't know these facts because she didn't know the history yeah this is a wrong generation and this isn't in your realm so and again i was just going in the comment section saying uh she should be a billionaire which i wish she was because trickle down effect then i would be 100 millionaire because that's the success the whole franchise would have. All of our cast was so stupid. When we started popping and getting hit ratings, Heidi and I were calling everyone like, let's get our lawyers together. Let's team up. Let's figure out fees. I'll never forget Whitney Porter writes back, I wish I had the text.

This is actually none of your business. This is a private matter. This is personal. It's like, oh, and then two days later, I see TMZ, like Jersey Shore record negotiations came together as a, what's better than one lawyer? How about five major lawyers? So you wanted to collectively get in and negotiate the whole thing. Yeah. Like Marvel cast members do. And you know, like. Yeah. It's like, if it doesn't work with, if it doesn't work with all of us, it doesn't work with any of us. Yeah, exactly. We're all, you want to like, we're all, that's what Jersey Shore did like two weeks after. And I kept telling everybody, like the reason why I look so crazy towards the end of the hills is because I was talking every day to the president of MTV and he's telling me, we're done with the hills.

He's like, Jersey Shore is getting 8 million viewers, like dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And I knew it. And I kept telling everybody, they would just edit around it, but I would be like, fucking like, step it viewers. Like, da-da-da-da-da. And I knew it. And I kept telling everybody. They would just edit around it. But I would be like, fucking, like, step it up. Like, stop. Like, this is when everyone was so... It's like they are now.

But even... I don't know. They're as bad now. But even then, they were, like, too cool. And I'm like, are you guys watching MTV? Are you watching, all due respect, Snooki, like, peeing in bushes? They didn't think that it was possible that they would get upstaged by else yeah they were in la la land like their egos entitled yeah and i i guess i came from like i was never like loved so i had the like like i had the i guess my ear to the

street like i could feel like you guys are all out like we're done like this is a wrap like jersey choice wiping us out like i felt that because i didn't have the like ego and like in the sense of i had been like super loved like oh like i had the ego like for what i earned and created but i didn't have like a false sense of reality like i did because i was hated i was the bad guy understood the business yeah like i was like we're gonna be like i knew people would so that's also you know a lot of things were happening, but that was another of kids were like, were you really going crazy? And then it's like, yeah, I was about to lose millions. Like the next deal was so many more millions.

Like, yeah, like this was my life and I was spending it all because pre-Jersey Shore, it was not going anywhere. It was going to be season 12, not season six. So there's that which going back if you could edit it how you want it to be what would you tweak i would have no narrator and i would have just shot a real show like the real all those people are monsters like film like it's like like what vanderpump does yeah even that's yeah in its early days right yeah but siesta key they protect certain like

there's protect i love siesta but it's still if i i talk to cast members offline and there's things that are so it's things that are protected i'm not gonna hate on my favorite show but a real docu-series of those people and also i would have broke the fourth wall like the kardashians did because lc did get famous trina did get famous heidi and spencer were like brody was crazy like what happened to your life outside of the show let's stop pretending heidi's working at bolt house let's now have heidi doing hosting a night at bolt house with brody djing like all the same i was getting chased by the paparazzi a hundred percent because once and they were like no the magic is like we're on the cover of a tablets all week like that bottle is like that or whatever that's already burst that bubbles burst so you know it doesn't have to be

like you still keep it on the boring looks and everything but like as you walk in the club show like that was when kim started getting really famous on e is when you started showing her with paparazzi. And I love that. I was like, oh my God, like I watched her go from the valley. She's still in the valley, but like the valley to paparazzi initially valley was not the hottest thing. I mean, it was hot, always really hot, but I wouldn't drive there ever. I still don't. When you started experiencing that level of fame, when you're like, you know, you go from hustling, trying to get on a show, you know, just like everybody else. And all of a sudden you guys are getting chased by like 15 cars. How did you feel about that? We were like, I fucking made it. This is great. We were like, oh my God, I fucking hate. Like, how did you contextualize it?

It was such a day-to-day grind because we're up against so many people trying to take us out and unplug. Like MTV, as much as they loved us on the show they were shelving everything we were doing stop like we put three million dollars in heidi's album we had the president of asylum shout out tom moskowitz calling us like hey we're trying to do what they did with ashley simpson puts this in there like we're ready to spend the money and they won't they're saying no heidi music on mtv like like they didn't even because they's like, they actually were in business with LC on one of our first fashion. Like it was like this weird, like shelf hiding sensor, but only use them to like when they, so we'd never felt like that.

We are always like, people are like, Oh, you're so thirsty. We're always thirsty, very dehydrated. It was never, I never felt like, like, Oh, it was a day-to-day grind. We were always figuring out plans with tablet covers. It wasn't like, oh, it was a day-to-day grind. We were always figuring out plans with tablet covers. It wasn't like, oh, let's just sit back and enjoy being famous because everyone loves us. No, we're listening to rap. Like, may know haters. Haters are my motivator.

It was never chill. We were grinding. So other people had it so easy. I've had so many producers to this day tell me like they owe you their checks even these last two seasons of the hills new beginnings the shout out alex baskin sorry to air you out he's like they give have them give you their checks like that's the the and it's true it's like we want success we work for it and then people are like oh you're so desperate it's like anyone trying to be famous, all due respect is desperate to be famous. Cause it's

not easy. It's not easy to get views. It's not easy to get checks. So whether, oh, you fake it better. Like I don't play pretend like these people are, I'll say this, I, you know, growing up kind of in the same generation, like you see all this stuff and I would say, and maybe I won't, people won't like this, but I don't think the Hills as it stands now would be compelling enough to draw any attention or the attention that it does without you too, because it would just seem like great. Like, okay, your life's fine and normal and things are going well. And you're going to dinner and you're getting like, they're like, if you're going on television, you got to kind of bring it in some kind of way. And I feel like because of the success some of the people have had, it's like, okay, now we can kind of coast and just take it

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nothing like for it's such a blessing and a miracle to have a television show in 2021 with actual teams like this one new cast member. I can't believe I have to call her a cast member was like trying to shame me. Like, how dare you say these bad things about the show when we shot during a pandemic and these crew it's like no no i wasn't talking about the crew and the camera i was talking about them bringing your worthless personality onto a television show not like they literally brought like if this was a sporting event they brought like worse than the water boy onto the team so you're frustrated with that because you're like bring it yeah like of course he is i mean this is my again my chat like i our crystal business was booming before the hills came back because i all day long i'm on snapchat ig sir my whole life is slinging pride day crystals

pride day crystals swipe up what happens when they bring a tv show back i put my whole life into trying to make the show successful, calling the producers, trying to get the cast who's did it. My whole focus is now like, okay, let's get a TV show back. Jersey Shore reboot. What are they on? Season five. If I get to season five, that's a real check.

Buy another house type check. So let me invest everything. So if I'm doing that, and then all these people are doing like Instagram posts, lives, like save that for your IG, like this fake made up reality of who you are, what you have going on.

Like, I don't have time for that. And it's like, I know what's really going on. I know the second when the cameras go off, what you act like, what you talk like, what you do,

what's going on. So if you're not putting that on, don't show up. And so that's my, and be like, oh my God. No, I think, I don't think people think this because you are like, obviously you're an outspoken, very candid, polarizing person. I don't mean that in drug try. I actually mean it as a compliment and you, you and Heidi can become the punching bags to the public because you are those characters. But also to that point, would people be tuning in if there weren't

characters like yourselves to these shows? Or would they just be like, man, this is kind of slow and boring. I just saw a tweet and somebody tagged me in a bunch of bangers in there. And they're like, these people, and I think they may have said villains or whatever on reality shows, should always get paid more. And I agree. If you you take the dirt for a show, like whether it's true or not, the way the edit comes out, if you're the one that everyone's like, like that should be like, if we're wearing a Jersey, you get that Jersey, like that one gets paid more. So I agree in that sense. And I have no problem. And that's the problem. Here we go again. I'm not going to name names. There's certain people I was getting the same payment from a, I'm doing showing up to so many more filming that I know is not going to be used because then they don't show up.

And then I'm like, I'm getting the same check for somebody who does not even care, not even putting their real life in. And it gets you. And then you come off like, I don't want to. I am a chill, fun. I only have drama if you're horrible. And then I'm all about it. And I'm like, fun. Like, let's have, like, I only have drama if you're horrible. Like, and then I'm all, all about it. And I'm like, great. But so I don't want to come off. It's hard sometimes because your energy, it's like, I know what's really happening in the situation as you're being filmed

and it can't be conveyed. Cause I can't look at the camera and be like this person, this person, this person, like in real life, Brody and Justin Bobbyby hate each other is that followed do you see one scene in this last season where they even interact no how are we not like like you know like how looks like they almost fought and we have a clip of it in a super tease in the beginning of season where they're almost fighting at brody's beach party but then we never even get to the bottom like stuff like that it's like there's like show it all i'm like this one this would be producers or the cast's fault the cast and then the new producer this we had an incredible the first season of the reboot was lauren weber superstar showing her second producer she was too good her whole thing was follow the truth the cast didn't want to follow the truth a lot of them so

they i think got her fired they bring in this like enabler of like, oh, what do you want to do? Oh, that's like, you know, like. Why don't they let you produce it? I'm being really serious when I ask that. So the season one, the cast thought I produced it. They were, I feel like, stepping it up more because they thought I was secretly producing because I was the one who called everybody, da da da da, like brought this back together. I wasn't. I didn't have a title. So once people realized I wasn't, that's when they all turned on Heidi and I, because they actually don't like us because they feel like we are polarizing. So when everyone really turned on us, season one reboot, when everyone thought they were famous and like, we're like cool and had

interesting lives, da-da-da-da, we did a Good Morning America, or it was the Today Show, major thing. It was at the w and it was like a live thing and the host all they did was just keep asking heidi night questions heidi night questions everyone's just sitting there all did a best outfit just like fuming and then i was like that i knew that was the moment that everyone was like we're done with heidi and spencer like but if you think about the like the shows that like that everyone's tuning into right now, if you look at Beverly Hills Housewives and for a while, it's like you look at Elisa Renna's, right? She's polarized. You look at New Jersey and you look at Teresa, or you look at Banner

Pumper, you're like James Kennedy and Jax. It's like, whether you like these personalities or not, you almost can't turn away from them, right? And I think you guys do the same thing. And I argue, or at least point out that in these shows, the reason that people find them so entertaining is because without those types of characters on these shows, you just have a bunch of people going to lunch, going to dinner, giving each other compliments, dating. That's great, but you wouldn't tune in for weeks and weeks and weeks. So when I was flying to MTV every week to do Siesta Key live hits on TRL, and that's when the executives brought me up like, Hey, we want to do a show with you and Heidi. And I was like, no, let's bring the Hills back. Cause at that time, my life literally was just

feeding the hummingbirds, being a dad with the baby. Like it, like if you'd asked me eight years ago, 10, you like different times in my life, I could have been like, let's go to Heidi and Spencer show. Like I'll bring what you're expecting. But I was like, no, let's call up all the Hills people. Look how Jersey Shore is doing. Let's do that. Because of that, I was like, I know I'm watching Brody's IG story, him pouring liquor in girls' mouths and sticking his fingers in there on the store. I'm like, oh my God, this is on IG story. I'm thinking we're going to get this on MTV and I'm reading all Adrena's life on TMZ. I'm like, my God, weekly TMZ. This is no joke. So I'm thinking this is good stuff. Does that end up on the show? No, you have to watch the show and see. I'm not trying to hate on MTV. I hope for a season three

pickup. You're very, very strategic and smart when it comes to all this. And you mentioned earlier that you studied fame. What do you mean by that? You mean you read books on it? Like explain more about that. Growing up in LA, having all your friends have A-list Academy Award winning, Emmy winning, Grammy winner, like being around people that you like this is the life you want to like oh my god like people are like oh why do you want to be famous like i grew up watching famous people have the dopest lives ever not because i like oh i wanted a camera in front of my face like how they were treated when we go on maui vacations how the whole spago area would

be closed and they would open up like things i'm'm like, oh, this is what fame unlocks. Like, yeah, you can be rich, but like fame and power in Hollywood and entertainment business. Like I watched what those keys opened. So, I mean, I just studied that from all kindergarten through 12th grade at a school with only famous Hollywood people type parents. And then my mom had every single tabloid my whole life my mom even the inquirer so every week i would you know read all of those and see what's going on and then you know i guess no there were no books yet but if there had been i would have read them so yeah i just studied like i guess what these people did you know observed so i mean i knew i wanted to be in hollywood because i was like this now it sucks like I'll

be now it's like oh you get oh you get to go into a restaurant and put a mask on like it's you know I'm not anti-mask I'm just saying like great wear your mask I'm just saying like it's not even fun anymore like oh you're gonna go to a club and turn into COVID like so I'm just so glad I got a a piece of what they did and And it was even cooler pre then. Like what I grew up, it was ending. Like 90s agents, like they were landing helicopters on Rue. Like it was so crazy. I was like arguing the other day that you won't see the type of fame that you saw or

some of those other A-list saw ever again. It says everyone's just, we kind of touched on this, it's too accessible. I don't think the world will ever see like a Michael Jackson again. I mean, that's like the extreme level. Nobody will even contextualize that. It's too accessible. I don't think the world will ever see like a Michael Jackson again. I mean, that's like the extreme level. Nobody will even contextualize that. It just won't happen. There's too many people now to be fans of.

Like the other day I referenced like the Ace family, which I don't follow them, but they're very successful on YouTube to the point where like they're huge on YouTube. And I referenced to somebody and they're like, the who? I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is either. I've never heard of them. So they're like one of the most famous

YouTube families. So that's my, like, yeah. It's just too much. You're right. It's too much. I don't know. But that's my point. Like, we're talking like, I would love to have Ace family money. You guys have never heard of them. The level of fame Heidi and I were in 2007, 2006, it was rare you could say Heidi

Spencer without somebody going, oh, those like, even if it was negative, like, yeah, Sp somebody going oh those like it was negative like yeah Spidey like back then like oh the worst or like I can't stand them like whatever you could connect like that that level of connection will not happen again unless you drop one like Kabul right now like you have to have an invasion yeah you have to have an invasion you have to have spent two trillion dollars like to get everyone like Kabul and not even ever.

Like I just said to somebody that I'm like, at least when I'm not in Kabul right now and he's like, huh? I was like, hey, you don't even know about it. So it's just so hard

to get any on anyone's brains with our phones, how many apps they have. Who's doing it right though? In reality television, like, like, and you can go back to the first season of The Hills. You can go back whenever. Who are some people that you point to reality television, like, like, and you can go back to the first season of the Hills.

You can go back whenever, who are some people that you point to that you're like, they brought it. They they're doing it right. Not at the scale that I would like, cause they don't need to, they're already rich, but,

and I don't even like her. She said negative things about Heidi in the past. So I'm not, you know, it shows you I'm not a hater. I literally don't like this person. And I think they do. Every time I see them on the show,

I'm like that person brings it. Lisa Renna on the Beverly Hills housewives. I literally don't like this person and I think they do every time I see them on the show. I'm like, that person brings it. Lisa Renna on the Beverly Hills Housewives. I feel like she... Who is the first person? Lisa Renna? Oh, Lisa Renna is the person that you're saying you don't like. No, I don't like her. Yeah, but she does it good on the Beverly Hills Housewives. Well, this is what I was pointing out earlier. It's like whether you

like these characters or not. I'm watching her. I'm like, she should be getting a check. I heard a rumor that Kris Jenner asked you to manage Kim way back in the day. So this, and here's the funny, this is how you can prove that they lie, which obviously I get it. And I've exposed this lie.

I also said in an interview that Kim came and filmed on the Hills at our spot on Curson and organized Heidi's Closet and got edited out i told that an interview kim's publicist or chris and then people magazine i remember saying this is absolutely not true i was like huh thank god i was one time mtv maybe it was an accident backed me up and posted uncut bonus footage three weeks later a month later two months they show the scene i'm like oh okay maybe they, which is possible. So no, when the princes happen, you can go back on YouTube.

I watched it at least 20 times because you can watch the premiere episode of princes. They panned to Kim and Kourtney seeing a reality show for the first time in their life, seeing all the Fox lights, and you can see the spark. I mean, they zoom in. If you pause it like I have, you can see the sparkle crystal balls in their eye. Like this is our lives. Like I literally opened Pandora's box for them. Brody and I were driving. He had a Escalade with spinny rims pre Malva's most wanted. Cause they actually copied, they were spoofing Brody. We're driving and I'll never forget phone rings. It chris jenner on speaker and she's like to brody and i so this is two separate

stories she's like we want to we want to do what you're doing in malibu with us with your dad brody and the girls in the valley we're like oh yeah yeah we hang up like oh like the valley oh you know like you know i've thought about a million times, billion times. The reality is without Ryan Seacrest, that wouldn't have happened because he was in the building. He had all the juice. He kept pushing it. He did bring in Buna Murray. So many things came together.

So if Brody and I had said yes, who knows? It could have been the end of there. We could have actually sabotaged. Like you might not have had the firepower. Yeah, it could have been eight episodes in their we could have actually sabotaged like you might not have had the firepower yeah it could have been 8 episodes in the valley that's it like that all perfect came together for them and maybe we wouldn't have taken it to E

and I think if they didn't have Comcast maybe Brody and I would have taken it somewhere that would have just been like oh we don't see this we're not gonna so that happened and then years later you know season 2 or whatever they film a scene where they're like looking for a new manager. And they also call, this is one now where I'm like really famous and they call to have me manage on a scene or whatever. And I think they end up using Frankie comes over there. But that was the second time, but never like a real, like, I think the big call was when we said no to, you know, or didn't even call back about doing the reality show. So what do you, in your perfect world,

hope the future of the Hills is right now as it stands in your, in your perfect world? There is no future as it stands right now. So if you could create, Oh, I think, I think I would bring the Hills back, bring in a new show runner that was like, okay, you're not bringing it to go home. Like you're not getting paid. Like that's fine if you don't want to be on this episode. And then we bring in some young, like all due respect to Brandon. He's great, but he wants to be an actor. You can't like be an actor, which all due respect. I'm not even here. I i get with he's not putting his actual reality on

the show because he's trying not trying he's a working actor but you can't do both you cannot be like he wants to be taken serious like a like you're saying you gotta lay it all on the line like yeah you can't be a reality star and be an actor that's that's like if you are somebody i don't even know no you can't it had that mold has not been broken that i can think of where that's possible so we need brandons so we almost had gerbers uh kylie gerber so i think we need somebody like him and a couple more of these young like real popping hollywood guys and then we'd be like the older like do still do like little hangouts with them where it's not too like fake because like I'll hang out and party with a 24 year old and drink tequila shots, but I don't

need to go to the club with them. They go to the club, they have more relationship drama. And then they come talk to me and I give, you know, and are the young, cool girls can go hang out with Heidi and they talk girl stuff. So I think you blend getting some, they tried with Brandon. Brandon was supposed to bring that in, but he phoned it in because he's trying to be an actor. So, and then I would have like people that aren't bringing it. Not.

Why don't they make you the producer though? I don't understand why you can't. Because MTV doesn't like me for some reason. There's, I, I don't understand. It's because you don't, it's probably because It's probably because you don't toe the line. Well, I get yelled at a lot, you know?

Sure. And so they have an incredible producer. If they let Alex Baskin produce, whoever they is, like he has 12 hit shows. Like Evolution, it's the showrunner who's on, and the network has to pick the showrunner. So obviously these are, again, I'm very pro ViacomCBS. I love Paramount Plus. I love all my checks. And I'm just saying what I would want for success. And it's not their fault. This showrunner

probably would have worked if everybody wanted to make a hit show. So it's more of the talent. And in their defense, I'll defend these horrible people. We were on track to having a hit show. So it's more of the talent. And in their defense, I'll defend these horrible people. We were on track to having a hit show pre-lockdown pandemic. The four weeks we were filming season two before the new world we lived in, it was drama. Everyone was bringing it. We come back from pandemic. I'm literally introducing myself to these strangers. I'm like, who, like, it was glitch in the matrix, new simulation. What dimension are my end type changes to everybody? So I, you know, maybe that's the cause. So I thought we were getting out of it. So we'll see, you know. So no plans for the next season. What are you and Heidi doing right now? You guys have a podcast. You have Pratt, Daddy Crystal. Tell us more about what you're doing now.

So now it's back to going where my focus, even if the hills came back, my focus, it's now a secondary to PrattDaddy.com. Like I'm going back. It was so successful. It has so much potential that that's where I should be putting all my energy is in our family business.

What I actually love, I love crystals. I don't love filming reality show. I love parts of the experience. I love things that come with it, but I like all across the board, interacting with people I don't like. No, I like, these are people I would never choose to be around, which makes good TV. You know, that's how you put people that don't like each other around each other. Like, I don't like these people. I do like Brody now. He's apologized to me multiple times in person. Why did you guys have an issue? But you guys have a real friendship for a very long time.

Because like I said, even going back to the very beginning, we saw you in Cabo before all those best friends. So that's the Brody that's back in my life. The Cabo Brody is back. The Cabo Brody has been missing in my life, maybe other people, but for whatever reasons, and he's talked about it, he's had a lot of

things happen in his life and gone through a lot but and i think his ex so we are now in a great place and so i do like brady so anytime i'm bashing the cast it's minus pretty and i'm not technically back bashing frankie and i do like jen dalgado but frankie needs to bring it you can't be neutral on a television show and he wants to be everybody's friend it like, you need to literally take sides and people who are like, I'm not taking sides and don't be on a reality show. I think I listen, this is the first time we've got to like sit down in depth and I can understand why you get some pushback, but I don't think anything you're saying here is not true in the sense that like, if I'm tuning into a television

show like the Hills or any of these other reality TV shows, I don't want to see some feel good story where everyone just enjoying and like going to dinner. Like I don't need that. I want to tune in to escape, see some drama, see some, see some, see some shit I haven't seen. He likes the juice. Well, he likes the juice, right? And so what you're saying is like, if you're not bringing it, why are we doing the television show? No, and then here's the worst. This last season, they made the whole season about how Heidi and I are drinking. It's like, if you're not bringing it, why are we doing the television show? No, and then here's the worst. This last season, they made the whole season about how Heidi and I are drinking. It's like, nobody watching a reality show, first off, is not having a glass of wine.

That's why we're watching a reality show is because we're actually scrolling our phones. We're drinking wine. We're eating cheese. It's escapism. Yeah. This isn't a time. This is not AA. And people are like, oh oh my god you're not

it's like i i signed up for reality show i didn't sign up for an intervention show yes people have their own problem that's a different show this is supposed to be the hills fun partying uh did you watch soul hills like what these what are everyone's lifestyles was like so it turned into as one producer said everyone grabbing at the low hanging fruit. It's like, Oh, look how drunk Heidi's is. Yeah.

We, this is, we're in a pandemic shooting. That's another, like, Oh my God, as a pandemic, I was like,

I know. And so this was our time where it was all secured and safe and everyone's tested. And they're giving me 1942 tequila at that time was like, like it was, it was, you couldn't get it. It was like sold out. So when MTV is bringing me balls and I do a babysitter, I'll do it again. I have no, but it's like, and I love it. It's like, great. Try to make, like, try to make that look negative.

People hate to admit this to themselves because I think they want to have a higher opinion of themselves in society. They want to have, I'm tuning into this intellectual thing or this story that's a feel good story. There's a reason that you see some of the biggest deals in podcasting with some of the most polarizing characters. You see some of the most polarizing shows, Jersey Shore being an example of why they get the ratings. At the end of the day, America and people that are tuning in Banner Pump, all these shows, they're tuning in because they want to see the high drama. They want to escape. We lie about the stuff that we actually want to see. The ratings don't lie. Numbers don't lie. I say the same thing like running this business. I see all the ratings. I see all the numbers. People might not like this, but the shows that are out

there being authentic, being polarizing, making wild statements, doing things in a different way, they are at the top of the charts. They are the ones driving the listeners. They're the same thing on television. And I think like without characters like you and some of these others we've talked about, like nobody would tune in. We wouldn't be talking about any of these shows. Exactly. And then that's the thing, this word that I learned from this Lauren Weber, the genius producer, she's like, this cast is image crafting. So the reality, like they're pretending this is, they're using this as like a, like a spokes, like, like soapbox where they're all like, I'm so good. And then it's like, go, go on IG live and do that.

Like no one's tuning in. And then like, so that was the whole season. Like, oh, Heidi's too turned up. It's like all my DMs, every comment. It's like, everyone's just like, I want to party with no. It's like all my DMs, every comment, it's like everyone's just like, I want to party with you. But of course we are so much fun to party with. Please, that's our reality.

So if you're going to try to like, like our cast make us look bad as that's like what's bad with us. Yes, Heidi and I love to party, but we drink lots of water. So don't worry about it. Like, you know, and this is like expensive wine. Hello.

It's like, this is biodynamic, organic wine from organic wine from erwan so that was so annoying about this season that that was the drama that and then oh that i questioned somebody whose whole storyline for two seasons is their sobriety and lying about it and telling and then i was like oh like and i didn't even say it it was off camera that brody brought up and it's like i said said like, I don't know if this guy's always a stranger. He lives in Orange County. I talked to the guy for 30 minutes my whole life. Like,

I'll say that again, but it was like, you questioned his sobriety. It's like, if you're on a reality show, I should be able to question anything. That's why we're here to like,

it's like play truth or dare on with cameras. You're not there to play nice and high five. Yeah, like I'm not, I'm not at his meeting

trying to innate, like it's just, it was ridiculous. So, but I mean, let play nice and high five. Yeah, like I'm not at his meeting trying to, like it's just, it was ridiculous. But I mean, let's just play it out. Like you don't, like say this whole, like the whole season, you just toe the line. You don't ask any of those questions. You don't get into any drama. You don't get into fights.

Like what would the season be? If nobody would participate. No, but that was, it was that season. It was that. That's what that show turned out. Like that's, I that was, it was that season. It was that, that's what that show, that's what that, that's how that show turned out. Like that's, I liked the first season of the reboot.

The second season, it, you know, the people are like, I'm going to be quiet because I don't want to, because you're, you know,

we can podcast again if they decide not to do season three and I don't have that check that I'm messing with. And then like, it's a whole extended, don't let the beef lose. That's what I mean. Like I'm right here like, oh, I'm messing with. And then like it's a whole extended. Don't let the beef lose. That's what I mean.

Like I'm right here like, oh, I'm already in trouble. And like this. Now I'm kind of fucked up because I want the season to happen for you. I think it'd be great. No, because we'll get some, there's so many platforms

and we just shot our own show with all of our Proud Daddy, the women that work at Proud Daddy. We're like 10 of the most entertaining women on earth. So that's pretty much the only reason we've had them employed for two years because they're, all due respect, not like-

They bring it to the camera. They're television stars that we always knew like we'll make a show one day. So if the Hills doesn't go, whether it's on TV, Facebook Watch, you know, Snap, Discover, Paramount Plus, Hulu, Amazon, like there's so many opportunities now which is which is great about this new landscape that we will our partying will continue selfishly i kind of now i'm

like i want maybe if that happens you come bring us the juice again because i don't know the juice is coming no matter what they don't they don't write them tv check i keep telling them like they think i've started talking no it, it's not even a, it's not, no, it's not even, I don't want it. It's, it's facts. Like I am literally only keeping my mouth quiet because if you want to write that check again, I won't be a hater. But if you don't like, there is so much truth. I'm, that's why you hired me. Cause I'm authentic. I feel a memoir coming. The problem with my memoir. I can only imagine. I feel like it's now in this society, like it's too gnarly.

You know, like. You have to do one. Like in 20 years, if everyone shows out, like, cause you can't even make jokes anymore. Like I used to do tabloid. You can. This is the thing. It's like you can. People are so sensitive.

You can though. Like I think, cause I hear this all the time. Like people, you can't do this. You can't do that. I'm like, no, you can. Like in people, you can't do this. You can't do that. I'm like, no, you can. It's just,

you're going to piss a lot of people off and fine. Like that. Like, I think we're getting to a dangerous place where people like tell themselves they can't do something. Like if it's in your heart and you want to do it, it becomes like, is it worth it to me?

Like I used to always do tabloid reviews on Snapchat and people were like, why don't you do them anymore? It's like, cause I used to mock the Royals as like reptilians and I would do their voices and now it's like oh you can't say anything about harry because he has mental health and you can't say anything about this like you know and i used to do the best megan markle before they all came out like and you can't talk about women's outfits even though that's not a good outfit like because you're oh who, oh, who are you? Like, so things like that. And then it becomes like, well, then it's not like,

I'm not getting paid to do these tabloid reviews, but it was fun and I enjoyed it. But so- The book would sell. I know that for a fact. The book would be, I'd have to tell a lot of lawyers. Like, I feel like I'm in like such a safe place. Proud Daddy Gives the Juice by Spencer Pratt.

Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's not, it was just, it's like a sewer. It's like the level of like, just. I mean, I feel like you've seen a reel behind the scenes of something so unique that no one's seen. Of just, yeah, no, I don't think so. Maybe one day I got like, cause I do, I've been unplugged from the industry and I feel like they've let me back in, like in the last 10 years, but you can just literally be blackballed in the game. Like maybe not certain, but like there is a real powers that be.

And somehow I got back in there, their good graces, which I'm happy with. I get nervous about like going up against that level. Cause yeah, it's so heavy. So much like. You have to be careful who you piss off yeah and i feel like i've had people on my team killed you know like i've had a lawyer that supposedly killed himself it would never that was like we were suing a conglomerate and it's like you get into like conspiracy world where it's like i don't even underground i don't even want

to play in this world where it's like these people don't even want to play in this world where it's like, these people are so rich and powerful and you know, it becomes like Michael Clayton. If you were to start with one crystal from your website for our audience that promotes good energy. Oh, so that's the, that's a problem with my current brand is all of our crystals besides our bracelets are one of one hand carved crystals, which makes it the most challenging business to have because every crystal has to be photographed. It's like every other business has certain skews and I've now noticed skews and they like, that's their product line for the fall spring. Our crystals drop in batches, like, you know, one batch a week of 200 new pendants. So it's usually the same type of different crystals, but they're all one of one

so i am a crystal person that changes my crystals like this morning i was already i wore two a different crystal to air one and i've changed into a citrine for wealth energy because this podcast it's going to bring wealth to prep and energy yep and then this was a carving i put on because it was missing and i found it so it's a it's a like a talisman of more good luck because this was a carving i put on because it was missing and i found it so it's a it's a like a talisman of more good luck because this was supposedly gone and then we found it in the air one so crystals but like depends what you want if you want like like for me the first crystal that i became obsessed with like the one that was on my third eye on the hills back in the day that's the meme that's kunzite and that's like self-love one

of my favorite crystals that i'm totally just always about kunzite recently i've got really into aquamarine because my son is obsessed with aquamarine and i feel like he's so tuned into the multiverse and like aquamarine brings courage and then heidi's really into tourmalines right now pink tourmaline i actually don't know why I would have to read about that. Black tourmaline for protection. That's like, if you don't have black tourmaline, I don't, I'm like concerned for you. Even if you're not going to wear it, like just put some black tourmaline in your car. You can text me if you want to do this.

Maybe we can do a code for the audience. If you want to do that for crystals. I don't know if you guys do that. The problem also with my brand is that I try to have the best prices. So like. It's already the best. Yeah. Like, so I'll maybe we'll do.

I'll have to talk to my boss. Maybe we can do something for the audience. Let's go to Pratt. Yeah. Go to Pratt. Maybe bracelets. The crystal pennants are so like like I keep looking at the site. So my car,

the thing with material is like crystals run out. Like, so I saw one of our customers in Erewhon, this woman, Ann, shout out Ann. She was wearing a Mexican opal, like it's opal from Mexico. And it was so beautiful. I'm like, when did you get that? And she's like, like three years ago from you.

And I was like, so I call my car, where I take a photo and she's like, oh, a one of one we don't have any more of that material so like that's the problem i am undervaluing all of my product right now because i want to sell it but like if i had a lot of money my prices would be because i do need a business and go support oh no it's it's i there's crystals i want to buy back from people that I'm like, this one customer, Amber, has like 12 of our most insane carvings and she has a better crystal carving

collection than I do. And I'm like, why did I sell those to Amber? I love it. She's a great customer, but like, they should be mine. I gotta get some black tourmaline. I'm gonna be in some trouble. Yeah, like black tourmaline on a black gunmetal chain, very on brand. Yeah, that's cool. I'm going to be in some trouble. Yeah, like black tourmaline on a black gunmetal chain, very on brand. Yeah, that's cool.

I'm going to go shop Pratt, Dottie, Crystal. Wait and we'll do it. You tell me if there's anything you want to do. Where can everyone find you and Pratt, Dottie, Crystal? Pimp yourself out. Pimp Heidi out. Tell us where to find you. It's PrattDottie.com and then Instagram is at PrattDottie. And then

Heidi's really great on Snapchatchat uh heidi montag on snapchat and then yeah open invite for you and heidi to come back on yeah this this was museum day i totally totally messed it up you guys you're welcome we gotta loop people but i'm on a text because i feel like we gotta have this like one-on-one and like maybe do with heidi and then heidi's life story is like a thousand mine like her fact that she came from a town like people always like oh they know Heidi it's like you don't know Heidi like Heidi's town she grew up has one stop light like you know I mean like you don't even know like they think they know who Heidi like she every day wants to move back to this like mountain like what her like persona and image

and what people think of her is so different from like who she is to this day and I'm like you guys have a solid marriage I'm married to an angel you better say that oh you heard me talking about that Heidi come on the show yo

I am we're all done follow at Spencer Pratt follow at Heidi Montage at Pratt daddy I call you back sorry for fucking up museum day no we'll be going back a lot come back anytime yeah Heidi's like oh that's why that call her daddy podcast they talk for three hours because there's a lot she's probably like oh my god you're an incredible podcaster everyone go listen to their podcast what's it called before you go it's now called the spidey podcast it used to be called uh make spidey famous again but then i realized you can't be famous again it doesn't even so that title is just irrelevant to this new planet we live on

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