The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Steph Shep On Finding Your Purpose, Accelerating Your Growth, & How To Be Resourceful & Adaptable

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

#620: Stephanie Suganami is an actor, entrepreneur, environmental advocate, and tastemaker who has cultivated a global community by educating her millions of fans on how to blend luxury lifestyle and conscious consumerism. Today, we sit down with Steph to talk about resourcefulness, career, passion, and the importance of learning to pivot. We dive into her experience working for Kim Kardashian and how she was fired from her role, her opinions on how to find your true purpose, and how to leverage your professional skills in any scenario. She also shares her best organization tips, how she sets up her day, and reveals her #1 beauty secret. To connect with Steph Shep click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To subscribe to our YouTube Page click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential. This episode is brought to you by Caraway Caraway Home’s non-toxic kitchen wares are all designed for the modern home and feature a chemical-free ceramic coating, so food can be prepared with peace of mind that no hard-to-pronounce compound will leach into your healthy ingredients. Visit Carawayhome.com/SKINNY10 or use code SKINNY10 at checkout to receive 10% off your next order. This episode is brought to you by Sakara Sakara helps you live a healthy, balanced lifestyle and truly enjoy it. Go to www.sakara.com/SKINNY or use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Ritual Start a daily ritual that you can feel good about. Visit ritual.com/SKINNY to receive 30% off your first month of Ritual. This episode is brought to you by Vegamour Give your hair the power of the little pink bottle. Visit vegamour.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Drizly Drizly is the go-to app for drink delivery. Download the Drizly app or go to Drizly.com and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive $5 off or a $0 delivery fee on your next order. Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her. I really hope that people don't always feel so much pressure to like have their purpose and like their life, like their career be the thing that they're like, this has to be that. I think it's a real generational thing that we think that we all need to be on like the Forbes list and we all need to like have a like a brand or be this career person where it's

like my purpose is being a good friend. Like I know that like this job pays the bills, but like my purpose is like doing something else, being a good mother or being a great daughter. Like there's so many other ways to have purpose and fulfillment in your life. I just feel like no one talks about that. And I see so many people struggle with it. Stephanie Suganami, aka Steph Shep, is on the podcast today. I think you guys are really going to like this episode. It kind of goes all over the place, which is really fun. And she gives a lot of tangible takeaways for people who are looking for tips and tricks

to be a bomb-ass employee, but also someone who wants to build their own business and become an entrepreneur. In this episode, we talk about how she got started in LA, how to be adaptable, resourceful, how to work your way up, working through struggle. We talk about why Kim Kardashian fired her. We even talk about the Kris Jenner organization of it all, how to leverage your professional skills to find your true passion in life, and her number one beauty tips. On that note, let's welcome the iconic, the lovely, the amazing

Steph Schaap, actor, entrepreneur, environmental advocate, and tastemaker to the show. This is The Skinny Confidential, him and her. You are so multifaceted. I want to know what you were like as a little girl. Oh my gosh. I was pretty entertaining as a kid, I've got to say. I think my mom would have said I was probably a little wacky, but I think I was a fun kid. Like I remember her saying to me, I didn't like cry a lot. Like I wasn't like, I wasn't a bad kid. I wasn't a difficult kid. I just was really entertaining. She, my mom would always say like, I just was like a lot of fun, which I think is great. That's so nice to say. Yeah. I hope I can say the same thing about

my daughter. Like just tell her she's a lot of fun. Yeah. she would always say, she was like, we would just have the most fun. Like, you're just the most. I mean, you know, she's like, thought the world of me. But she would just say that, like, I was a lot of fun. And I think I was. I think I like to have fun. When you look back, were you someone who wanted to be on stage? Were you someone who was more comfortable being in the background?

Like, what was your vibe there? I was a performer from the second I was born. I got into dance really young. Like when I was probably like two and a half going into three, I started taking like ballet and tap and jazz as a kid. And I like love to sing and dance and perform and like do weird voices and accents. And like, I still, I still do that. My husband thinks I'm a little freak, but. Now that you've said accent, I'm going to make you do an accent. I know.

No joke. Yeah, yeah. You're going to have to. You have an accent too. No, no, no. You do an accent? It's the worst accent I've ever heard. Keep going.

We're going to get to accents. No, when I get drunk, I only talk in a British accent. Oh, just let me get some alcohol. Only a British accent. Like it's so bad. But I was a performer as a kid for sure. Really. And I was an only child. So I had to entertain myself. And I think that was part of it. Like having a creative world because I was by myself and I really loved performing. I danced

my whole life from three until like 22. I was a dancer and that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to go on tour with Britney Spears. I wanted to be a pussycat doll. Like that was my dream. So you were very into dancing. Oh, yeah. Like I when I like I told you I went to college for a hot second and I was a dance major. I danced for the Cleveland Cavaliers basketball team. That's what I wanted to do. Is that what brought you to L.A.? Yeah. Yeah. I moved to L.A. what I wanted to do. Is that what brought you to LA? Yeah. Yeah. I moved to LA because I wanted to pursue dance. I really wanted to be a pussycat doll.

Like that, like I was like, because I wanted to sing and dance and tour. And like that life was really exciting. And I feel like you could still live that out though. Could you imagine? I don't know. Yeah. I don't think I can. I haven't danced in so long.

It would just be like a little pivot at this point. You can still probably do it. No, it adds to the multifacetedness of it all. Yeah, if I just come out. And I always said too, I was like, and I tell my husband this, I was like, I just want to record one country song in my life. I don't know why country, but just because I feel like I can sing that the best. But maybe.

You never know. When you look back on your childhood and college, were you always into sustainable living? Yeah, I think I always had an interest. I mean, I had an environmental studies minor. So I think, yeah, I must have always been interested in it. I think maybe growing up in Ohio, I just had had a different relationship maybe with the earth. And like my mom always gardened and there was just like maybe a different ethos that I was raised with that I had a different outlook on the way we live and the way we live on this planet. But it wasn't until, you know, I was a bit older and could step outside of

myself and see like what was actually happening in the world, like as an adult to really understand how important trying to live a sustainable life and contributing in that way was. I watched An Inconvenient Truth as an adult. I'd watched it as a child like as a teenager and then I watched it again as an adult and it hit me in a different way because I think I couldn't even grasp the concept as much until I was a bit older and and grown up a bit. When you got to LA when did you realize that maybe you had to find something else other than dancing? Like, what was that like? What was that epiphany? I mean, I loved dancing. Like, I loved, like, I was go-going and like, I, that's like a whole nother, like, life of mine. Like, go-go dancing. You should be out for Halloween. I know. That'd be cute. I always think I'm like,

because I used to go-go. See, these are the moments that I overshare. And then I'm like, because I used to go go, see, these are the moments that I overshare. And then I'm like, I don't want everyone to know this about me. I used to go go at a night called Truck Stop in West Hollywood. And it was so much fun. And it was like the Coyote Ugly of like lesbian night. Amazing. I loved it. And I was so in it. And I really loved being a part of the dance community. I just was like, I don't know, maybe it's the Virgo in me. I was like, how am I going to get a paycheck though? Like, this is hard. There's, I'm going to cattle calls with 400 dancers and I don't know anyone. Like it is, there are politics. You need to know the choreographers. You need to take people's classes. You need to, you know, and it was really overwhelming to me. And I was like,

I need money to pay the bills. Like, I don't know if I can hack this. Like, maybe I'm not good enough, you know, like, I need some other way to make money. And so my dance agent at the time was like, well, look, this creative director choreographer is, he needs an assistant. So why don't you do this while you're still auditioning? And like like you're still a part of the world because he, you know, is a choreographer and you can have a steady paycheck because that was really stressful to me.

Like the freelance of it all and like not knowing when you're going to have a paycheck, it stresses me out. Do you become his assistant? I did. Yeah. What is that like to be thrown into that world?

Because I don't think people understand how much work it is. So much work. It is. Sorry, Katie. I know. Poor Katie. Yeah, poor Katie.

No, it is a lot of work. I think I just have always been an adaptable person. And that really was something that helped me because I didn't really know what I was doing. I'm just a kid from a small country town in Ohio. I don't know. We didn't really know what I was doing. Like, I'm just like a kid from a small country town in Ohio. Like, I don't know, like we didn't go to the dry cleaners. Like I didn't, you know, like just simple things that I didn't have the life experience at, God, I was 20, 21 years old. Like I didn't, I didn't know how to do half the things that I was asked to do, but like being an adaptable, resourceful person, you just kind of have to figure it out.

And it's not like this city is the most forgiving city. Oh my God, no, it's so hard. And back then we didn't have Postmates and Instacart and Uber and all of these like resources. It was like I was out there, you know, doing everything from A to Z. But I was really excited about the opportunity because I was like, oh, this is someone who has experience in a field that I'm really excited about. I'm going to learn so much. And I like, I'm a very dedicated person when it comes to work. Like, I don't like to give less than 100%. And so I kind of just threw myself into it. And then dance kind of just fell to the wayside because I, I don't know, I'm organized. I'm really, I'm a Virgo.

I'm good at being an assistant. And I just naturally kind of took to it. I always tell Michael the number one quality that I want my kids to have is resourcefulness. I think it is the most important quality. It's like figure it out. And I also, when someone presents me all these problems, it's like, what's the solution? Totally.

Let's not waste time on the problem. What's the solution? It sounds like you're like, obviously incredibly resourceful. What are some other things that you learned on your first job besides figuring it out? you do have like that is to me that's the foundation of it yeah absolutely and I think sometimes I see now like with assistants that like my husband and I work with they're like it just can't be done and I'm like I'll wait for you to figure out how to

get to where it's going to be done because it just can be you know what I mean like and I and I let them I'm like you just sit there with it and you figure it out and then come back to me with a solution. Because I, if I get involved, like it'll be handled. So I think absolutely resourcefulness is so key. Being proactive, being one step ahead. And I also, what I really learned was to take responsibility. Yes.

And that is a really hard thing that some people can't do. Like, well, she didn't do this, so I couldn't do that. And well, they told, I assume that, no, you can't ever fucking assume anything. Assume that no one knows how to do their job and that you need to be on top of everything. It was, I think it's one of the hardest things about running a company or an organization is like teaching personal accountability. Because I've always said that if your first thing is, hey, that's somebody else's fault, then nobody's ever going to be willing to help when there's an issue. Where if instead the mentality is like, hey, this is my fault or my issue, then everyone kind of rallies around and says, okay, let's solve this together. 110%. But if you're constantly pointing the

finger, you become the person that nobody wants to help. A hundred percent. And I think it's a real mature thing to say, oh, you know what? I'll take that. I'll take that. That was on me. You know what? And even if it's like, sure, the X, Y, and Z happened and maybe it wasn't something in your control, but to say, you know what? You're right.

We don't need to have this back and forth of whose fault is it? That doesn't serve any purpose. It's just like, you know what? I got it. Moving forward, i'll handle it this way and then i think that is such a great skill to have and it's a mature way to work with someone it's also wasting time to just go back and forth it's like let's let's what's the solution well i also feel it's liberating in a way to just basically take accountability for like i think everything's my fault really i do like even if i like like, sometimes I... I'm going to literal pull that clip next time

you do something that annoys the fuck out of me. No, but I mean, like, everything is your fault. Oh, yeah. You're right on that one. But I mean, like, even if I can be, like, we can get into it, whatever, as couples do, I will, like, go back and reflect and, like, okay, like, I could have, like, I always, like,

I could have done that differently. I could have responded differently. I could have said something. And I think when you do that, it's liberating because when you take personal accountability, then you can actually make changes and grow. Whereas if you're constantly blaming everybody else, it disables you from actually making any changes to positive effect. Yeah, I completely agree.

When you start your first assistant job, do you know from there that you wanted to get like a celebrity assistant job or was it nothing like that? Is it something that you just fell into? It's something I just fell into. I just happened to be really good at being an assistant. I kind of thought my next step would be to be kind of like a creative director or something because that's who I was working for and I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed the creative process of like pulling references and like, you know, coming up with ideas for music videos or looks or you know like just having that creative process was really fulfilling to me and I really enjoyed it so I thought oh like you know I could be a creative director in this space like this that's of interest to me I enjoy set days I like being on set I like being around people I like producing

things and having this type of kind of managerial you you know, work life. I kind of felt like I had done everything I could do in that assistant role. And so I was like, you know what, let me just go back to dance. Like maybe, like, let me not give up on my dream. And I stepped away for a little bit, kind of was a little lost in the sauce. Like, am I going to dance? Like, am I going to be a stylist? Like, I don't know. What am I going to do? I don't really have enough experience to be a creative director right now. And I think it was just a little burnt out, to be honest, because when you're an assistant, like you, it's a lot. It's 24-7 if you're good at it and you're dedicated to it. And so it was two years of 24-7. I was a little burnt out and I was a little lost.

And then Robin Anton brought an opportunity to me to interview, to be Kim Kardashian's executive assistant. And I was like, oh, the opportunity to work under someone like that could be incredible. Not that I had any interest in doing or pursuing reality TV, but as an entrepreneur, she had her hand in so many different verticals of this business that I was like, okay, I'm not sure where my lane is, but if I work for her and I learn some things, I'm sure it'll help move me in the right direction. I also think that the systems and the tacticalness,

if that's a word, of the way that they run their business, you're right, it is such an incredible way to learn. The organization and the routines and what time things are scheduled and how it's scheduled and how they're on time. I mean, it's like a system. It's a machine. It's a machine and it's meticulous. And I always say it's like my graduate school because like I learned everything that I know about sending an email to an agent or speaking to a manager or booking glam or finding a photographer or doing product development or dealing with a publicist, like every single step of everything that you have to know about being an entrepreneur in the

entertainment business, I learned from working under Kim. What are some nuances to say something like, if people are listening to like an email that maybe you started doing differently? Oh my gosh. I think like the formalities, just having like a professional tone is really important. I don't know. Like I'll see email, like for an assistant that, you know, maybe I'd worked with before and it was kind of like the email, like for an assistant that, you know, maybe I'd worked with before and it was kind of like the email, like you always want to have like a bit of a pleasantry.

I think that's nice for me, especially if it's someone representing me and their interactions, like with a brand. Say a brand is like, hey, we want to, you know, invite you to this event or whatever. And I'm not available.

Don't just write back and say, hi, she's passing. Thanks. Oh my gosh. The word pass is negative. Yeah. If the way you write back and say, hi, she's passing. Thanks. Oh my gosh. The word pass is negative. Yeah. If the way you write an email starts with unfortunately, throw it in the trash. No one wants to be around Debbie Downer scarcity mindset. Yeah. How can you put a spin on it? So you're right. There's a pleasantry and it's also an upbeat undertone that is also professional

without 600 explanation. But i think that goes for anyone in any field yes that's why i think it's a good tip definitely yeah i think i was like no we don't talk to people like that because this is a relationship that yeah sure i don't want to go to this event whatever but i still want to maintain relationships like in this business that is everything the relationships that you have with people the way that you interact is it's so so deeply important and i would never want anyone to think that like from an email that an assistant wrote that i was ungrateful or curt or didn't you know have any respect for the thing that they were asking me to come to because i'm so lucky to even fucking be thought of to be invited to something that like i

want that to be communicated i also think sometimes people don't realize how high people can rise. Oh, totally. Meaning like sometimes you think you're dealing with the bus boy and the next thing you know, that guy's running or that girl's running. Well, it's got to be a trip for you because you went from being an assistant and now you're like this like superstar in so many different areas. And I also think when it's interesting to me that you said you wanted to be a creative director. In some ways, to me,

you were doing creative directing with a assistant. Oh, totally. I've heard Kim talk about it before that you guys would text about Kimmojis. Oh my God, Kimmojis. You sort of got to experience creative directing, it sounds like, too. Yeah, totally. I mean, like, you sort of like got to experience creative directing.

Totally. It sounds like too. Yeah, totally. I mean, it was like one of those things that I feel like was like in my tool belt that was like just another thing that I could pull out and be like, hey, I'm also your assistant,

but like I have other assets that I can bring to the table. I can, and I think that that's important for someone who is an assistant that's looking to grow. Like bring more to the table. Don't just be like, well, you didn't offer and I just want to be the

COO of your company. And I'm like, well, then why didn't you say, hey, I'd really love to be more involved in X, Y, and Z. And what about if I started taking calls with your management to see how we can further expand and how I can grow this? Be proactive. Be thoughtful. Bring something to the table and then you could see how that might flourish versus like, I'm just, what am I, get coffees for the rest of my life? That attitude is going to get you absolutely nowhere. And sorry, to your point again about, you know, you never know who you're dealing with. Like, I was an assistant. And I can tell you a list of people who, when I was working for Kim, showed me respect versus a list. And you remember it always. And I remember it.

And those were the people that I got back to their emails a little bit quicker. You know, it's funny. You know what I mean? And Caitlyn Jenner came on the show and was talking about how Bob Iger used to be the bellman at a hotel. Yes, yes. And now the guy, he's Bob Iger. He's Bob Iger. And it's justman at a hotel. Yes, yes. And like now the guy, you know, he's Bob Iger. He's Bob Iger. And it's just like, you never know.

You never know. I kind of want you to stay on what you're saying for a minute because a lot of people will say, and I'm not talking about in my company, I've just heard this, you know, in a lot of places working throughout my years. It's not my job. Yeah.

And you said like, oh, I don't want to get coffees. I don't want to open packages for the rest of my years. It's not my job. Yeah. And you said like, oh, I don't want to get coffees. I don't want to open packages for the rest of my life. How would you advise someone who wants to raise within an organization and sort of create their own future? What would you tell them to do and what not to do? Yeah, I think see how you can contribute more in the space you want to be involved in. If that's outside of your lane, have that conversation. Be like, hey, you know, this is a real interest of me. This vertical of your company is really interesting to me. I would love to just start sitting in on these meetings and just kind of learning and seeing this because I feel like I could really contribute here. And then it's like, you know, there are definitely instances when I was working for Kim where I'd be like, hey,

I think this is a really cool idea to do X, Y, and Z. She didn't ask me to come up with it, but I thought that that could be advantageous for her business, for her blog, for her brand, whatever it is. And so you offer that up and then people start to say, oh, she's got really good ideas. Let's tap her for this. Oh, you know what? She was really involved in that. She was really, there was a lot of enthusiasm. She was really excited about that project. Maybe we should bring her in more. Maybe she has something more to offer versus waiting for something, waiting for someone to see that you could be good at something because you're just there. Or just asking for more, more, more. There has to be a give, give, give, ask. It's the ask, ask, ask isn't going to get you anywhere. I think how you gave, gave, gave,

it's like you want to say for free, but it's like you sort of gave up your ideas to get to the other side. Totally. Yeah. But it also signals enthusiasm. I mean, like when you're working in an organization, no matter what kind of level you are, you can always, you know, when you see enthusiasm from people, you kind of, you start paying attention a little bit more, right? It's like, I think we, you, people get into a dicey situation when it's like, I have to be acknowledged before I do the work. It's like, do the thing first and the other stuff will take care of itself. I think sometimes people have it a little backwards. In my personal career, it's always been giving a lot more in the beginning in the hopes that later it will pay off.

Absolutely. If you even start with the mentality that there's any task below you or beneath you, like you've got the wrong attitude for someone that I want to work with. Like my husband just started his company. He's still like books, his own flights and hotels and gets his own, like, you know, he's not like, he's not bigger than doing any task that anybody on his company could do. I want you to write a book about this. I'm not joking. I'll take out the trash.

I'll open the packages. I'll shovel the shit. And I think what makes a really interesting boss is the boss or an employee that's done all the things before they get to their even career. It shows them all the facets of the business. You have to take your ego out of it. You have to take your ego out of it and you've got to pay your dues. I know that social media makes things look like these successes happen overnight. And I know I've heard other people say this, but it's just not the case. Like I have worked in this business. Like I, I mean, I came here when I was 19. Like I just moved here yesterday and all of a sudden I was best

friends with Kim Kardashian. Like, you know what I mean? There was like, before I was working for her, I was like sleeping on my friend Anthony's couch for like three months with like nowhere to go. And I was like, oh, if I didn't have this person to let me sleep on his couch, I would be living out of my car. So like this wasn't just like all of a sudden I moved to LA and all of a sudden I just started working for Kim Kardashian and like here it happened. No, no, no. Like there you need to like have that experience because in the end of the day, it makes you better at your job. It makes you have a different understanding of how important some of these things are, especially when you're the boss and I'm in this position and I'm like, makes you better at your job. It makes you have a different understanding of how important some

of these things are, especially when you're the boss and I'm in this position and I'm like, oh, no, no, you don't understand. Like your frivolousness is costing me money. It's costing me relationships. It's costing me my reputation. It's costing me so many things that that's my livelihood that I don't have like mommy and daddy to like fall back on and bail me out. Like, so this is serious to me because this is what i've worked for this isn't just like for fun you know i think people really need to hear conversations like this to have context around what it sort of takes to get to where you want to be you didn't just come here and become her assistant that's not the way it works

the problem like there's a lot of great things about social media and it's a it's a great tool but the problem is is sometimes people will look at someone at now your station in life with all the success and they'll simplify your story. Sure. Oh, she came here. She became Kim's assistant. They want to put her in a box. Yeah.

No, but I also think it's a way for people to justify sometimes or either contextualize how someone has come as far as you've come, right? It's like, oh, well, maybe it wasn't as much work. Maybe it was a little luck and then you met this person and then this happened. But most of the people that have come on this show that are high performers or have some sense of accomplishment have all these years that people didn't see of putting in all of this hard work. I'm so glad people didn't see. I kind of like, I wish more people showed a lot of that. So the problem is when you're going through

like nobody, like nobody would have cared when you're sleeping on the couch. It didn't exist. Exactly. Right. You know, like, so like all of my like struggles and, and all of that,

there wasn't a, there, it just didn't exist. I read a lot of history, right. And I'm reading a lot. And I'm in most of the stuff I'm interested in is not all the great stuff that happened after like whoever,

like I'm reading about, like obviously you're reading because something great happened or they had some kind of great life, but I'm trying to like really understand all the bad stuff that they went through first, because that to me is where I think most of the lessons are. Does that make sense? Oh, absolutely. Like you have to have grit. You know what I mean? Like I find more often than not that people who come from adversity or have faced some type of adversity in their life definitely have like an inner strength

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about like your day in the life yeah that article haunts my soul it does yeah because you know I like like I said I don't like to share and like I like shared so much in that that like it was just cringe but yeah go ahead I mean I was interested to see behind the scenes because I'm so interested in like people's like morning routine and night routine. But also then I saw a tick tock recently where you packed. Yeah. And my husband would. It's like you would pop a boner if you saw the way she packed.

He loves shit like that. Might already have. You seriously would like freak out. You should see the way she packed. It's absolutely atrocious. Yeah. So I was like screenshotting. What do you do?

What does she do? What don't I do? No, but you had like your racks with your little organizers. Like I feel like you need to make like a, like sell that. Like the whole setup. She throws so much stuff in a bag or so much shit in the bag. And then she has no idea where anybody is. And the whole trip she complains because she can't find anything.

No, so I'm interested in like that from a voice. That is just like making me really nervous to hear it. That's why I need a really, really good organized assistant like Katie. She really helps me be organized. Were you always like that? Or is that something that you learned while working on the job? Or was it a medley? It was a medley for sure. I definitely always had it in me.

And then going to like the Kris Jenner School of Organization where no one tops her. She is the queen of like, like the girls there as organized because Kris is the way she is. She is so organized. It's like every time I go to her house, I learn something new and I'm like, oh, I'm going to take that. That's great. Like she's meticulous about it and so I think it was a medley of just having it because I think you have to love it you know what I mean like some people like are just unorganized it's just who they are I'm not unorganized I don't know why you're my house is meticulous like Kris Jenner's no everything is meticulous in my house

don't let him laugh everything is Kris Jenner'd out. Taylor. But I'm not great at packing. The way I text message is chaotic too. Oh, really? It's chaotic. No, Lauren will come in the house. It'll look like a tornado. It'll be a mess.

And then she'll, it's her mess. She'll clean it all up herself. It's organized. You never thank me for cleaning the house. That was, you're a mess.

Everything's organized. Should I come over before you pack for a trip and help you one day? I would send you a picture of what my bathroom looks like with everything disgusting and then all of a sudden i snap my fingers and it's like perfect but it's organized chaos until it's organized okay i think it's probably like a control thing like i like to like i'm a little of a control freak i think that's like a trauma response like you know you see that stuff on tiktok that's like if you do

this like you definitely experience childhood trauma and i'm like right here so i think it's like a trauma response that i like to control and i can't control my life so i can control my environment when it comes to like my things and it gives me a sense of peace and like harmony that i can't eat like i love i will probably reorganize my pantry once a month. I love to clean it out. I love to relabel. I love to organize. I, it, I just, it brings me joy. And I know, cause I've done closet cleanouts and stuff like this for some of my friends who can't stand to do it. And I'll come over and I'll reorganize and I'll get them new hangers and I'll do the whole thing. And they're like, I never would have done this. Like, I don't want to. And I'm like,

I actively want to. So I think there is a little bit of like neuroses like and, you know, like having it be a therapeutic thing. But I also like for packing, like if I were to be on a trip and not know what I was going to wear, that would give me anxiety. See Lauren, you just got to lean into your trauma. See, that's what I learned from you. Yeah, exactly. Oh, that's what I learned from you. Oh, that is what I learned from you. I forgot.

That was the thing I learned from you is you said you would plan what you're wearing to lunch and what to dinner. And I was like, oh, I don't do that. See, I'll just pack a bunch of like, I'll be like, oh, I need like three pairs of black pants. But I won't look at the days. You need to dig deep into your trauma. Dig deep.

Wait, but I actually, I understand what she's saying though about being hyper organized. Everything is organized in the house. Your socks are in the perfect drawer. Everything is organized. I'm going to DM you pictures. Everything's organized.

No, no, no, no. Okay, you can DM pictures. Yeah. But you also have to show, you have to show snapshots throughout the week. I will show the before. Okay.

Yeah. Because are you just like a hurricane? Because my husband's a hurricane throughout the house. I'm like, oh, he was here here's this here's that here's that yes but then i'll go in and meticulously chris jenner organized okay so it's like it's a gemini thing oh scary yeah no shit what is what are little tiny organization tips that you have learned from chris jenner that are so life-changing like stuff that like we wouldn't even think of like tell me like how she's organizing like

the toilet drawer like is there like weird toilet drawer the hell is a toilet drawer first of all the drawer that's underneath this kitchen sink that has like the plunger and the sponges like I want to know I haven't looked under

there actually no no have to look. Now I know. Now we know what we're doing the next time at our house. What is like a weird like organization hack that's been life changing? I don't know. I think like, I mean, labeling has definitely changed my game.

I think everyone knows like labeling is key for things. Maybe everyone knows that. I'm a label, like I have like a turnstile for like my weed and like it is labeled like sativa indica hybrid and like I can it's like I can just turn it and have you posted that I want to see no I should I should um it's very like opposite of what you would think a weed smoker would be doing with their weed but it helps me keep organized you need to know all the different kinds so labeling is really key and I think if everything has a

place nothing gets lost what's really changed the game for me is like I posted a TikTok and then everyone came for me saying that I was like entitled and stuff. And I was like, fair, I can see that. Where I posted all of my pants and I have a lot of pants. I have a lot of black pants. I do. Cancel me. I got a lot of black pants. And I want to be efficient and I don't like figuring out how all the different kinds of pants fit and how long they are and which ones are tailored

and which ones are for heels and which ones are for flats. So I took pictures in all of my pants and I put photos of them on each hanger and labeled them so that way they have a home. That's maybe more than Kris Jenner. Yeah, I don't know i don't know i don't think chris has done that i want to see that tiktok

maybe kim has for her storage i think oh my god the storage is oh you gotta have an organized storage and an inventory so you know everything that's in there it's the the commitment of time that you guys have to this is so crazy to me. It's not like an easy feat to do all this. I mean, it's a lot of work.

It is. It is, but you feel really good when it's done. And then you're like, hey, where's my DTT? And you're like,

I know, it's here. Okay, so there's Polaroid pictures on each of your hangers that shows how you look in the pants. Yes.

I bought your label maker, the white one. Oh, great. It's a great label maker. I use it for everything. He's going to try to steal it. Better get that label maker out. I don't know where it's been, Lauren. He's like, no, I've never seen it.

The label, I have, you know how I have the white rack in the house when I pack? That's from her. That's helpful when you do that. It's so helpful, right? I love that one. Because I have to carry all the stuff around and imagine it's so helpful right i love that one because i have to carry all

the stuff around and imagine it's just a storm of chaos yeah he has his fucking packing cubes with his shirts full yeah you do we love a packing cube with his hair gel with the label he's like he is like listen my grandmother's full japanese and i'm poor japanese and i don't know yeah i don't look at me sometimes i my sister's more. But my grandma was like, everything had a place. Everything was clean. Everything was organized. So maybe it's just in our DNA because I'm half Japanese. And although I did not grow up with my Japanese family, I feel inherently drawn to having

this type of organization in my life. Like if she moves something out of place, if she doesn't, I know in my mind if it's out of place and it bothers me. And then we get in fights about it because she will be like no i didn't i'm like i know you yeah but i do nice things for him like your ball hair gets stuck in like the drawer and whatever the face hair and i like well get him where the fuck that is the organizers like for the drawer and like rinse them out. There's things that I do for you that you don't even know. Oh, no. I do all of that.

I pack my husband. He has his toiletries, the same as mine. Because I'm so controlling, God bless him. I'm such a Monica. And he just is so patient with me and lets me, because I'm like, white socks. You can't wear black socks. I'm not easygoing. How do you fit?

I want to know how you fit all of this from a tactical standpoint into your routine. Are you waking up super early? Is it something that you have scheduled in your calendar? Like I want to know from a micro level how you make all of this happen along with being a businesswoman, being a wife, doing all the things. I definitely rely on my schedule. Like I'll schedule in, this is when I'm eating. This is when I'm showering. This is my drive time from my house to this podcast. Like I really like to have things in my calendar. Because if not, then like I'm not going to, maybe I won't do it.

Or maybe I'd forget to do it. When it comes to packing and stuff, I start that like a week in advance. I'm going to just literally keep you around. Whatever the rate is for the day to keep you around and just coach. Oh my God, you guys. A week in advance. Well, because we're going, we have to go somewhere for like a week. And we have to do a bunch of different things.

And she's like the night before. Oh God, no. Like literally six hours before the flight. Yeah. There's something sexy to me about the procrastination of it and like getting it all done last minute and then wrapping it in a bow last minute. I think I'm addicted to the delayed gratification. You like the adrenaline

of rushing the clock? I think that's a trauma response. It probably is. It probably definitely is. Yeah, maybe that's my own trauma response. She likes to control time in the reverse way. Does that make sense? No, it doesn't make sense to you guys. You guys are malfunctioning. No, like she

I think you know say we have to catch a flight at a specific time yeah she wants to like resist that specific time by pushing

my husband's the same way I hate it it would lead to our divorce if we divorce for any reason it's because we will miss a flight you know what I mean I'm like

why must we get there at the hair I love it like the what do they call like the skin of our teeth like why must we get there I like hair? I love it. Like, what do they call it? Like, the skin of our teeth. Like, why must we get there? I like to get there.

I don't have to rush. I'm not there super early, but I don't want to be running through the fucking airport. No, no. You know, like, in the movie Home Alone when they're running through the airport? Mm-hmm. I love that. That's what my nightmares are made of. Like, the family.

I'm with you. It's a memory. I'm with you. Oh, don't even. Kids in the equation. See you later. Absolutely not. Oh, it's the biggest nightmare. I want to leisurely stroll through. Yes. With a nod of kids in the equation see you later absolutely not oh it's leisurely leisurely stroll

through yes with a not a care in the world i want to watch the other panicked people 100% run by me in a panic wait i have a question this is just like really random are you one of those people that wants to get on the flight the second it boards why would you guys want to get settled i want to get settled into what it smells it's no i need to get out my pillow i need to get out my blanket i need to wipe the seat down. I need to prep my seat. I have like a whole thing that I do when I sit down. I don't want to be in the position where my thing is not going to fit in the overhead

because someone else put it in before me. You guys, I've never thought about that in my entire life. I saw this guy yesterday. Who cares? He was up in this row and he had to put his bag like seven rows. Who cares? Who cares? I don't spend my energy

thinking about any of that. My nightmare. I can't waste my energy. You know why Lauren? Because I have to do it for you. Yes. That's why I married you. I don't want to waste my energy

thinking about where my bag goes. I don't want to get on the flight early. It smells. I want to be off the flight as long as I possibly can. No. I don't want to chase. There are because

my husband's the same way. He'll have all his shit out and they're like 20 minutes to landing and I'm like already packing up my blanket like got myself together it's always at 20 minutes that's when i know that's my go time and he and then he's like the last fucking one off the plane and he forgot is this and the fucking thing and i'm like yo like we've got to move like what are you doing you guys are attracted to that energy though because you guys both are so type a with that that you guys need a little a little yeah i was saying i don't know your husband obviously but i assume like this is what makes i think if there was two people yeah

you can't like we have a couple that we're really good friends with and they're the the man is like her and the woman's like we're all best friends yeah but we we have the same we can't the dynamic is similar in most couples, I'd have to say. Yeah. You guys would be bored. You know what? We'd be a little less stressed,

so I don't know. If you're a couple that's the same, you have to break up because it's not going to work in a long time. Yeah, if you're a couple that's the same,

like God bless. Must be fucking nice. How did you know that you wanted to branch off and do your own thing? And how did you also have a conversation with someone who

your employer is like one of the most famous people in the world you guys are also like best friends how did that transpire and how did you make it work because you guys still got fired oh you did yeah like a nice firing yeah yeah yeah no and it was such a huge deal at the time and like it was like I mean fired in the nicest sense of the word like I was crying she was crying like it was a whole like because we are friends and honestly like that friendship is really important to both of us but it was kind of like I think this theme in my life of kind of where I've just inherently felt like oh it's time to move on here like I don't know if I have anything more I can like contribute to this and I I also, and you know, I think she probably felt that and

saw that. And she's like, I want you to be like, thrive. Yeah. Do what, like you need something more. Like you, you have this thing, like, like pursue that. Like I'm supporting you, whatever you need. And it was like the most beautiful uncoupling, you know, never been closer. And, and she still is someone that I go to for personal and professional advice all the time. But I think it was just that feeling inside where I was like, okay, I think it's time for me to move on. And I didn't really have a plan, but I just knew that it was time for me to try something different. And it took me, that was 2017. That was a long time ago. And so it's really also, I have to say, interesting to be identified and like for a job that I had.

How many years ago was that? 10 years ago? Yeah, that is got to be interesting. 11 or 9 years ago? You're going to think this is weird, but in the car, I was like, I don't want to ask her about gossip, but I'm obsessed with the organization and the tacticalness and the routines and everything all these like tips and tricks that you have to set up such a streamlined day so for me I'm like more voyeuristic about how the days are planned the weeks are planned because it's so much content and people and yeah wanting things

from all from everything yeah not just from them from you too yeah I can only imagine that you almost have to put your blinders on to focus on what you're doing it's a lot of discipline yeah that goes into what you did and I also think it seems like you've taken a lot of the skills that you already had and that you've learned and applied it to now totally and it's interesting and And I mean, definitely discipline, definitely like, but also like a lot of like, fuck, I hope this works. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Like the landscape of social media was very different when I left and I never had set out to be like an influencer. That wasn't even a thing really. Like there were bloggers and stuff and I knew I definitely didn't want to do

that. But like to have a social media following and then kind of be like, well, I guess I could use this to make money because that's what like there's offers coming in. So I was like the whole beginning of me leaving my job with Kim was like, let's just try like let's try this. Let's try that. Like, sure, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll do that. Like saying yes to a lot of things without any real strategy. Like I wasn't like, OK, this is the brand I'm going to create. This is the path I'm going to go down. This is the person that I'm going to, like, it wasn't, it was, it was really a hope and a prayer, you know, that it would work out. The first thing that felt good? The first thing that felt good was doing my J Brand collab. That felt really good to me because

I really do enjoy like product development. I do enjoy marketing. And I think that like when I look back and I'm like, oh, you take little tidbits of things that you do and see like, oh, that part I loved, that part I hated. I definitely know I'm not going to do that. This part, like I want more of this. Where can I find, what's an outlet where I can do more of that? So J Brand, that opportunity of like getting to design something and have a collaboration was really exciting for me because I really value like ownership and like doing something like on my own and owning an idea and seeing it come to life, like from the seat of an idea to the execution is really like a thrilling experience. Well, I think also what I'm hearing

you say here, which I think is really smart is, you know Well, I think also what I'm hearing you say here, which I think is really smart is, you know, we get questions all the time from people like trying to figure out what their path in life is going to be, what they want to do for a career, what their passion is. And what I've always said is the people that come on that have really figured it out, it's not like it's just been like this one thing that they always knew. It's like this collection of all these little experiences and they kind of pick and tear apart things that work or don't work for them. And then they kind of put it into the formula that works for themselves. Right. Yeah. And a lot of people, I think they just want it all figured out and wrapped in a bow right away. And I don't think that's realistic.

No, it definitely isn't. Because I mean, even after that, like what I wanted to do, that was 2018. I've had so many different evolutions of what I wanted my career to be and what I thought it would be. And, you know, I, what I'm pursuing now looks completely different than what I ever thought I would be doing. I had, I maybe hoped in the back of my mind, I'd have the courage one day to like really be on my own and like pursue acting and like do all of these things. And like, we want to be a producer. Like that just like came to me. I was like, oh, I'm a producer like that just like came to me I was like oh I'm a producer like oh like that's what all these skills are for like I'm not just like a person that can organize pantry I am but like I can apply this and like have a career out of it but I also at the same time really

would love to give a hot take that like I don't necessarily think that your purpose and passion has to come from your career. I love that we are in this world where it's like, find something you love and you never work a day in your life. I think that's great. And I think it's a privilege to be able to do that, that not is, is not afforded to everyone. And I think it can sometimes be a little like, not damaging, but it can deter people from like just having a career or a job that pays the bills and finding purpose outside of that. And I know we're in this real entrepreneurial environment and society where like everyone's an entrepreneur and like social media has democratized business and now there's all these small businesses and everyone can have a brand

and I think that's amazing if you have that passion because having your own brand like you guys know is not easy you have to really really really want to do it and I think young people if young people are listening that I have talked to especially in my life where they're like I don't know what it is I just like I want to have purpose and like my career and I'm like there's a world where you can have purpose outside of your job your purpose might not be what your job is and that's okay my mom worked at General Motors as an electrician for 30 years of her life that wasn't her purpose. She worked because she had to provide and pay the bills. And that's completely normal and should be discussed and talked about. That's a great avenue to take. If you were in the position

where you can take care of your family and pay the bills, that's amazing. Her purpose was raising me. Her purpose was being a mother. Her purpose was outside of work. And I think sometimes when they're just kind of so enmeshed that like you could feel like, oh, well, I'm unfulfilled because this career that I'm in isn't my purpose. When I don't particularly feel fulfilled posting on Instagram, but I've been able to find purpose outside of that and doing cause-driven work and use the assets that I learn from this job that I have, this career that I have, and apply it to making all of this philanthropic stuff that I'm doing. I can use my skills and be an asset there for the organizations that I'm working with, and that's my purpose. And so I think, I really hope that people don't always feel so much pressure to have their purpose and their career be the thing that they're like, this has to be what I do. It doesn't have to be that. I think it's a real generational thing that we think that we all need to be on the Forbes list and we all need to have a brand or be this career person where it's like

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of what you're saying, that there's a pressure on women now to be a stay-at-home mom, cook for the husband, fuck him. And then also him yeah and then also let's not get rid of those things yeah like go like then also like be a millionaire yeah and like you're right it doesn't have you can doesn't have to be you can cherry pick what works for you yeah and do that that's like what i think is like the beauty of like feminism, right? Is like the choice and not that like the choice to do whatever the fuck you want to do. And that took a long time for me to,

to understand because, you know, I have friends who are stay at home moms in back in Ohio. And I'm like, why you guys LA, look at this, look at, and cause that's how I feel fulfilled. That's how I feel motivated. That's what energizes me. That's what like I enjoy. It's not for everyone. Like one way of life is not prescriptive. I even have friends to this day that are like, you need to do this. You need to do this brand. You need to do that. And I'm like, you guys, you have that entrepreneurial spirit in that way. You have something that you want to do. I don't want to do something for the sake of doing something. Like I'm not going to create a brand just so I can go, oh, I've got a brand. Like, I don't need that, you know? And I think it's making those choices for yourself

and not feeling the pressures from the outside to do things that, like, aren't for you. What do you do that doesn't necessarily have to do with money, but that's more to your purpose? I sit on the board of the people concerned. I sit on the board of the Climate Reality. I sit on the board of the climate reality project and I try and give as much time and attention that I can to like doing cause driven

work, whether that be educating people about the climate crisis or volunteering my time with the people concern that makes me feel like I have purpose on this planet doing that type of stuff for sure I love how you said that Instagram like you don't you you hate it but you know that it's like part of the gig to push the ideas that you're learning through totally you use it as a tool I also think that like sometimes people over glamorize owning a brand or owning a company or running a business. And I think personally, I used to get so stressed out about trying to align purpose with a monetizable asset, right? And what I try to remind people is like a lot of the stuff that you deal with, as you know, running a company or owning a brand or any of these things is like, it a lot of like really stressful tough stuff firing and hiring and hr and fine and all these things and unless you're really called to

that yeah calling that there's so many other ways to find purpose to your point right and i think people should talk about some of the ugly stuff a little bit more yeah you know like when they say you what is the thing when you find your path you'll never work a day in your life like no i'm always working yeah it's all a bunch of shit that i don't like all the time but this but i happen to love doing this and so like enables me to deal with all the shit 100% like i hate sharing on social media hot take your private i just it's a lot it's hard for me to do that and like but you know i know it affords me the life that i have and like there are moments where i do feel connected to people and i really like it but like it's not the end-all be-all you know but like sometimes you do things because it it makes money and that's fine

to live your life example i was telling lord when COVID happened, calm down, everybody. I was running this business, Dear Media, which we're in right now. And half the team and half the company was in Texas and half the team and half the company was here. And I got into this because I like to talk to people on a mic and have fun and chat. And the amount of people that were bombarding me constantly about the take on COVID and the policies and what i was going to do and not do i'm like holy fucking shit like this is like i'm not the guy i don't know i'm a fucking podcaster right and but you know you have all these people you got to think about everyone there's multiple perspectives and i was just thinking to myself if i didn't absolutely like

love talking to people like yourself there's no i would have got up and just said fuck this and i would have never dealt with anyone so you guys figure it out yeah and i think I think people, they don't think about those kind of things when it comes to this kind of game. Yeah, and just how hard it is in general. I have friends who are entrepreneurs like Jen Atkin and I mean, obviously like him. And seeing Jen create her brand from the bottom up, it was not easy. She just didn't appear on fucking Sephora shelves. I remember being in her kitchen, like, you know, in the sink, like smelling shampoos and stuff with her. Like it wasn't just all of a sudden this like really huge glamorous brand. Like there are a lot

of brands that do not make it because people don't realize how much time and effort like Mariana like lives and breathes summer Fridays like it's so successful because she's disciplined and she loves it right and she's passionate about it and those opportunities and those instances are far and few for people and that is so amazing when if you're in that position but like

don't knock yourself if you just have a job and like it pays the bills you take care of your family and then you just live your life and you find purpose in other ways that's awesome. Like I think there's two different worlds. And I do think talking about that hopefully makes people feel a little less stressed because it's fucking stressful to be like, oh my God, what am I going to do? You know, I've thought all the time. I'm like, maybe I should go to one of these big companies and just have them deal with this podcast. And I'll just be the talent in that with Lauren, right?

I'll just like they can take care of all this stuff and they can figure out the COVID policy, right? But again, I think people unfortunately sometimes over glamorize these things. And again, people will look at someone like yourself who's had all of this success and they'll miss some of the nuances that go in or they'll miss some of the things that you actually find passion with. Yeah. Right. And I think that it's good that you're talking about it more because I think a lot of people look to you as a source of either inspiration or advice or, you know, like where to take their own life.

Thank you. That's really nice. Plot twist. Ooh, tell me. You are really into matcha, right? Yeah. You should get her matcha tips. I've seen like the whisk and the whole setup on your page.

He just got into matcha. Oh, boy. I had to calm down on the coffee. It was a little much. Really? Can you tell him the tips? Because he's like testing milks and frothing and like we want to know

the secret. Do you have a milk frother? He has a stick one. Should he get the frother? I do like the frother I've got to say. I have the stick one as well. I think like they're both

but I also have like the Japanese like old school to whisk it by hand which is That's what I want. My roots are calling to me. I need to get there with a whisk. It's really the way.

Pushing a button is just like, no. And you want to have the matcha bowl, like a Japanese ceramic matcha bowl. And then you want to hand whisk it. And you know you don't whisk it in a circle. You whisk it back and forth. Do you have a bamboo guy? I don't have a bamboo guy but i i have i'll send

you my but like also god i feel like i'm giving so many hot takes on this i switched to coffee no so i had coffee today because i knew like we had to do this cooking show before we came on do you know burt kreischer is no but that's so fun he's insane in the best way but we went there and then now here so i did have some coffee today because we flew in last night but i was drinking too much coffee it was like it was bad oh I can only do one shot of espresso in my latte. Yeah. So you do a coffee with a shot of espresso in it or just espresso and milk? Espresso and milk, like a latte.

I was doing a coffee with a shot of espresso in the coffee. Oh, damn. It was too much. I would be geeked out. Do you have like a whole, because you're so organized, do you have like a whole ritual around the coffee? Oh, yeah. Tell me the ritual.

And well, the thing is, I got like a- Well, it's left on the coffee. whole ritual around the coffee oh yeah tell me the ritual and well the thing is i well it's like a coffee i'm going back you know i'm like i because i was a matcha girl for so long and then i was like oh i really want to be a coffee person i don't know why i never drank coffee in all of my life but we got this coffee machine installed in the kitchen and so now i make my own coffee i I get the best beans. From? I think it's called. Is it a Wolf Coffee System? A Miele. A Miele is great too. The brand,

I don't know what the brand is called. Maybe it's called Monarch or the beans that I get are called Monarch. Okay. When I tell you I'm such a bean snob now, these beans are.

I don't know. It changed everything. Can I have your pen? I will, I'll send you the link to these beans. Are they mold free beans? I've never seen mold.

No, but I mean like sometimes, oh God. Oh God. Sometimes coffee has mold. Sometimes coffee beans have mold. They're probably mold free. I'm going to guess they're mold free.

They're probably mold free. They're like, because I don't add sugar. I don't add any of that because the beans are just so delicious. It's like an espresso shot and then I'll put

an oat milk in it. Okay, but I'm gonna tell you something i've been drinking raw milk i think that's just for you babe but i want to tell you guys i don't think you could talk about that i think you get arrested for having raw i want to tell you about raw milk oh is that illegal i think people are like rating people are saying it's shut the fuck up you're get in trouble. Raw milk is the best pre-workout in your coffee because you get energy, a little sugar, a little carb.

I'm so lactose intolerant. Okay. But you might not be with raw milk. With raw milk? That is gnarly. I would say that people become lactose intolerant because of the way the milk is pasteurized. Is that correct, Lauren? Yeah, that's right.

I thought it was like something that you didn't have an enzyme to digest. Well, because I think the way they treat it. Listen, the internet's now going to yell at me, but I think that they're saying that if it's raw milk and it hasn't been pasteurized or pressed or hot pressed, it's a way that your system can tolerate it. I don't think you're the raw milk expert, but I'm going to tell you it's a great pre-workout. My eczema flares up when I do dairy. Try raw milk. Okay.

Let me tell you something. Raw milk sounds really gnarly. I'm like a dealer. Didn't they talk about raw milk on that one show? Which one? With Dan Levy. Oh. The one where they live in a motel.

Schitt's Creek? Yeah, Schitt's Creek. He like sold raw milk and it was like secretly. Because is it like a thing? Texting someone. Yeah, it's like the whole thing. Yeah, I'm going to get in trouble. And also, you know that whatever we talk about on this show i will proclaim to be an absolute what other what other wellness

routines and rituals do you do you run your life in my opinion very disciplined so what are the things that you do in the morning in the night like any like weird random niche things i recently got a um trampoline rebound Yeah, I do rebound in a Belicon. I recently got that just to help with the lymphatic system. It helps like wake me up and I added that to my morning routine and also this woman, this spiritual woman that I work with, she told me that

I need to get outside because I need to just like, obviously you don't pick up your phone. Obviously I do it. I pick up my phone. But when I'm trying to be good I don't. And then I just go outside and you just like want the sun to like just be outside take the breaths and i do my jumps on the trampoline just to like wake my body up that's a great tip you're outside you're soaking in the sunlight yeah we just got we just had a half an hour conversation about butthole sunning so that's definitely not in my morning routine as of yet go on the rebounder

and just ask to the sky jumping on you never know with the internet i mean you can get really i mean i'll i'll tick tock it and then maybe i'll go that would yeah sell some trampolines i'm sure the rebounder people would um would really be excited about it what are some ways that people can quickly do something good for the earth? Just like three tips that they can quickly change today. Buy less. I mean, shop locally and vote. What about something with plastic? Is there something that you have switched to that was plastic that you didn't even know? We don't use any plastic. No plastic. Yeah. I mean, sometimes look, but plastic has been made to be the enemy. And sometimes plastic is necessary, like in hospitals or whatever.

Like, you know, we can't like plastic isn't always like the enemy. There are uses for it. But single use plastic where you can have something that is reusable, obviously take that option. I have a friend who's part of the physically challenged community and he's like crusading against plastic alternatives because he needs it. Yeah, some people absolutely do. And so I think, I think too, like as we're on this like climate journey as a society, like things are changing the way that we like the way we are targeted and blamed as consumers for this problem, I think is a lot of the problem where there are a handful of companies that are polluting far more than any single individual. And if they happen to just change the way that they were doing their running their business, this climate crisis would not be so dire in the

situation. As an individual, yes, we can all do small steps, but like on a larger scale, we're not to blame because this thing can't be recycled the people that are making the thing that can't be recycled they should be the ones that are taking you know accountability for the shit that they've put in the world could you give an example without naming names of some of something that you're talking about i mean like you think about plastic bottles right like they're not always like we have glass here like everyone's like the whole recycling thing is kind of like a marketing scheme like you bought it so you have your you take responsibility but like no this is these

are the only products that are available to me this is the only thing that's I only have access to this product that's not a consumer thing that's a manufacturer thing and so to put the responsibility on consumers is really unfair honestly and. And so it's like, as consumers, we have to like advocate with our purchases and like our vote to help change these policies so that there's more, you know, policing of these large companies that are fucking polluting the entire world. What are you working on right now that is in line with that or something that you're excited about? Oh my gosh.

Future Earth is partnering with Climate Power, which is really exciting. They're an incredible organization, and it's just going to give us so much more opportunity to, you know, have larger campaigns and do more in like, you know, IRL. I hate saying IRL. I don't know why I said that. Do more in-person activations and just kind of like you know put more backing into a lot of the the projects that we want to do so i'm really excited about that give us steph shep's number one beauty tip the hair i mean is the hair is this just like my pen out is this just like the hair your hair is like stunning is this just your hair that you're genetically born with

kind of yeah yeah yeah she is. You both have beautiful hair. You've got great hair. Asian hair. Yeah. I think it is that. My sisters have like long, beautiful. What's the beauty tip? One beauty tip if you have one. Oh my gosh. Your best one. Have a good dermatologist. I don't know.

Your skincare? I guess like just like wash your face before bed. Oh my God. So you're just, your hair is just naturally like this in your skin. I have a good dermatologist honestly like understand your skin. So less is more for me. Can you share who you dermatologist? I go to Christy Kidd in Beverly Hills. I love her.

She's amazing. But I think finding a dermatologist that's like okay like some people don't even know what kind of skin texture skin like are you oily or that like who knows like I have tried so many different things that I'm like oh I only put moisturizer like I don't put moisturizer in this part of my face huh so like you know tailoring routines like like what Haley Bieber does is not necessarily like going to be the right thing for me but I'm going to try her products for sure but like I'm going to only try them right here because like this part of my face gets really clogged and that's just something that I've for me but I'm gonna try her products for sure but like I'm gonna only try them right here because like this part of my face gets really clogged and that's just something that I've learned about

myself in like trial and error and so now I only like I'm a cheeky kind of girl we need to go to Christy Kidd and we need to find out where we should be putting moisturizer and I love lasers which laser laser genesis laser genesis live for it What do you get that? Is that Dr. Diamond? I do Christy Kidd for Laser Genesis. Love Laser Genesis. And like, you know, treat yourself to a facial every now and again if you can. Facial. We all like, it's nice.

A facial is my favorite. Like that's, if I, for the rest of my life could do one thing once a week, I'd do a facial. Yeah. Where can everyone find you? Your collaborations, which one are available? Is Beekeepers Natural still available? I don't know if Beekeepers is still available, actually. My Adenola collab, well, it's sold out. In 48 hours, your collaboration sold out. That's incredible. Yeah, that was exciting. You're also a long-term ambassador of Slip. We love our Slip's Crunchies. You had a collaboration with Beekeepers Naturals. Which

we love. We love that collaboration. All of their products, honestly, are so good for you. It's the best. My kids fight me to drink the cough syrup when they're sick. Even when they're not sick. They're like, hey. And the spray that you spray in your mouth. The propolis, the throat spray. It's the best. It's the best thing, especially traveling. And the brain fuel. I have brain fuel literally in my bag right now. That's the jam. Hi, Carly. And you're an investor in Cove, U.S. ambassador for... How do you say it? Bulgari.

Bulgari Jewelry. I mean, very impressive resume. There goes that partnership horn. Where can everyone find you, support everything you're doing, pimp yourself out to our audience? Ooh, cool. You can find me on Instagram at Steph Shep. And I don't really live on TikTok, but you could find me there Instagram at Steph Shep and I don't really live on TikTok but

you could find me there if you so choose we're still trying to figure out TikTok to be honest and you're also in a feature film Something from Tiffany's produced by

Reese Witherspoon's Hello Sunshine that came out last year yeah pretty cool yeah you're busy you got a lot going on

thank you thank you for coming on that interview I got some tips and tricks and you guys go check out her TikTok because I'm telling you the packing thing changed my chaotic life. Thank you for doing this. Thank you guys for having me. Thank you. As always, let us know who you guys want to hear next on the show. Go to my Instagram at Lauren Bostic. We love your guest recommendations and make sure you've rated and reviewed the podcast on iTunes. We'll see you next time.