The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Supermodel Turned Entrepreneur Karolína Kurková On Wellness, Work Ethic, Diet, & Evolving Your Career

Episode Date: March 17, 2020

#254: On this episode we sit down with supermodel turned entrepreneur Karolína Kurková. Karolína is a Czech model and actress, best known as a former Victoria's Secret Angel and Vogue cover star. On today's episode Karolína discusses wellness trends and tips, diet routines, and how to outwork the competition. We also discuss what it takes to continue evolving your career. To connect with Karolína Kurková click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by Joovv. Experience the benefits of red light therapy by one of the best in the business; JOOVV! To experience the Joovv and receive a free gift with purchase go to joovv.com/skinny This episode is brought to you by OUAI OUAI was created by celebrity hairstylist Jen Atkin. Ouai crowdsourced and tested these formulas with their community and used real customer feedback to develop these shampoos and conditioners. With Biotin to strengthen hair, chia seed to thicken and volumize and keratin to reduce frizz and flyaways. All color safe, sulfate free, cruelty free, and sustainable. Shop new shampoos and conditioners at THEOUAI.COM and don't forget to use code SKINNY to receive 3 FREE samples with your order.  This episode is brought to you by Sephora At Sephora, we know makeup. It’s been in our DNA since day one. From the contouring trend to Fenty Beauty frenzy to SEPHORiA’s lipstick-packed playground, we bring the very best the makeup world has to offer. Our latest obsession? Clean makeup. When we saw the newest wave of Clean— uncompromising in its glow-giving, pigment-rich, stay-all-day glory—we knew it was the game-changing lineup you’ve all been waiting for. These products read like a highlight reel of beauty innovation, and it just so happens that they’re packed with good-for-you ingredients, too. Sephora doesn’t make exceptions for Clean—this March, we’re raising the expectation on what Clean can be Produced by Dear Media 

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major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. I always think, you know what, you are you and you just have to do the best that you can do and be, you know, you be a good person be amazing what you do come ready be prepared give more than you ever expected like I give my blood my heart when I go to work it's just how I do it how I like to do it whatever it is and you know I feel like there's a space for everybody and if people like they feel like you're right for it then you're right for it like and if you're you're not, then you're not, you know? Hello, hello, hello. Happy Tuesday and welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. That clip was

from our guest of the show today, Karolina Kirkova. We are in our house. I'm sure many of you are also in your house. Yeah, you're probably listening from home. Unless you're one of those young savages that aren't listening to the rules and you're out there just partying your face off, you damn you, you young kids. Yeah, maybe some of you are listening on spring break i am lauren everett's the creator of the skinny confidential and across from me is my husband he's wearing a mask he's wearing gloves he's wearing shoe covers in the house gotta be extra careful don't know if you're if you got the corona it's it's wild michael it's a wild time it's a wild time to be alive everybody hope you're staying safe hope you're staying safe. Hope you're following the rules. Hope you're being thoughtful about

other people. I gave my whole team work from home. Everyone's out of the studios. Dear Media is a ghost town. We're on lockdown. You know what's sad is that I have to be locked in this house with you for a week. I need to make sure you're compliant. I don't trust you. You're not following close enough. You're not staying compliant. And so I had to be here not only to protect myself, but I also got to make sure that you're not out there spreading germs and being wild. So like, you know. No, when I'm trying to breastfeed, he comes in, he turns the lights too high. The music's a little too high. You're pacing with your conference calls. It's just like, I don't have my normal like day to day when you're here.

Listen, hot Pilates can wait a week, Lauren. You're going to be okay. All right. All right. Okay. Today we have Karolina Karkova. You may know her from Victoria's Secrets. She was a top model. She was an angel. She walked the runway. She was major. She's also been in Vogue and multiple amazing publications. Now she has an herbal-based wellness company. You can expect a line of elixirs, probiotic powders, and bath and body products for kids. It's a really incredible line. She's going to tell you all about it. So let's welcome Carolina to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her.

It's nice to be appreciated and noticed sometimes, you know? Are you Aries? i am oh my god how did i get this this is crazy my husband is aries that's why i know listen you must have really good taste of your you know oh god oh god i know you my god how did you know because it it's something that exactly my husband would say you know i, I just want to be appreciated. It would be really nice if I was appreciated. I'm like, you are. What do you want me to do? How long have you and your husband been married for?

We've been married 10 and a half years together, 11 and a half years. And where did you guys meet? So we met actually in New York, but I used to live in New York and he lived on the West Coast. But we met in New York. He was visiting. And that's actually a movie on its own, how we met. How so? Kind of like- Tell us though.

Oh my God, it's a long story, guys. I would have to have him here. We have a lot of time. No, but it's really fun when I say it and he says it because like you hear the different like point of views and like, you know, where I was at in my life or he was at what he was thinking what I was thinking because we actually got to know each other through writing

so we met very quickly and we actually connected through friends on Facebook I mean this is like you know 10 and a half years ago so it was different time of Facebook and now we would write to each other and then it went to emails and for a year for like a month and a half we would email each other like these letters literally like letters that we would like you know talk and discuss life and you know everything what we wanted and wished and never like anything sexual and after a month and a half we talked on the phone and then we spoke every day for like another month and then we decided to kind of reconnect and meet in person again after just meeting one time in New York with like a bunch of people and you know then the rest is history I've never left and we were together ever since it's very very fun I actually should say at

one time the story like fully how we met and really get into all the details because it's hysterical and funny and sweet and And he sounds really cute. So do you guys live in New York now? Hold on, let me say something. Do you know how good of a penman your husband must be? Do you know how many men try to write to women on Facebook love letters, especially, you know, known models? Yeah, he was like a pen pal.

Yeah, you know, again, it was 10 and a half years ago. It was a very different time of like that whole social media and Facebook, right? It's not where we are now. And we didn't write like long letters on Facebook it's really when we connected on email we really wrote to each other and it was really cool because we that was really a way we really got to know each other in like no pressure like you know he didn't really know what I was doing like he didn't know who I was he kind of handed he actually well it's

it's very funny did he come from anywhere of the same kind I was a bisexual girl from like eastern block looking for a guy with money. That's kind of what he thought of me, actually. Louis prejudged you. Exactly. Deceptively intelligent. So he, you know, that's kind of the idea that he had because, you know, I didn't have much on my Facebook. I had like really funny, I didn't even have my modeling pictures there.

I had my picture, my profile picture was like this. You know, so it's not like i was doing anything funny and cute uh but because i was from the czech republic and you know he had some prior experiences maybe with other people i don't know so yeah he he that was very funny so are you guys in new york now no we're based in miami actually you're based in miami we lived in york we had our first son in york and now we're based in miami actually. You're based in Miami. We lived in York. We had our first son in York. And now we're based in Miami with our two boys. Okay, so take us back, like way back when you're a child.

How did you get approached to become a model? Or did you actually go seek it out and sort of go on auditions? Yeah, I said we're going to get to know each other really well. Let's go way back. Okay, let's go way back. So let's go when i was 14 years old so actually growing up and being you know that teenager carolina i was very different i grew up in a small town in the czech republic and i was different body type you know i was not as developed as the other girls

you know who had curves and were really matured i was very tall I was the tallest from the class and from most of the schools I was really tall and I had like long arms and long legs and they were really skinny so very skinny so I was just very different and people always used to like look at me and point at my legs and laugh at my legs so I definitely a lot you know through my young adulthood I didn't wear short skirts or shorts I would wear a lot of pants I would always cover my legs you know I was definitely insecure about my legs and my body you know big teeth I didn't know like how to like smile and utilize those assholes were probably feeling pretty stupid when you were walking the Victoria's Secret runway I mean so that's kind of

you know I was that girl right so I I was funny I've always had friends like I got along well with the girls but I got along with the guys because my dad was a professional basketball player and I you know love sports I did sports I was a professional gymnast from age 6 to 13 where I had to audition so I would train every day before school and after school and then you. And then, you know, after seven years doing that and kind of really got super tall and long and, you know, my body changed for that type of performance to be a really good gymnast. Like I just knew I had, I will have to change. So I wanted to go into modern ballet, but I had no teacher that I really connected to. So then I said, well, I'm going to try basketball. I love basketball. You know, I grew up with basketball. My dad, you know, was the top

basketball player. And so I did that. But yeah, it was pretty to look at. But that definitely was not my sports. You know, I'm just was too delicate, too dainty, too elegant. And then anyway, I got into the fashion business and how I got into it. Again, I really didn't like being front of camera. I hated taking pictures, hated it like, you know you know school photos or family photos we had to end and we still do she's alive and she loves taking videos and pictures you know we would the family would get together she'd be like smile and tell me how you feel and you're like oh it was literally like the worst for me I was like I hate. I don't want a video and pictures. And I was like, okay, I'm going to smile just to make her happy.

But I did not like it. But at school, I would do a lot of theater with my class. And that I loved. Somehow, I really felt comfortable because I could kind of, you know, let loose and be goofy and move my body and kind of let the body be and not be so self-conscious and kind of what I was self-conscious about and maybe insecure kind of was funny because I could just, you know, do a move and people would laugh because that was kind of funny, you know, seeing

the long limbs kind of move in a funny way and do a funny expression. So I was lucky that I had that and I had a sense of humor that kind of pulled me through and I could, you know, deal with, you know, the insecurity of like the body and just people looking at me and laughing at me. And I had a friend at school who wanted to be a photographer and she just got a camera and she said, you know, we were 14. Can I take a picture of you in your room? You know, we're 14. So I put like lip gloss.

It was like a lot of makeup, lip gloss. Like now 14, it's like. People are done up now i mean yeah more than myself it's like baking and contouring you know we were 14 was innocent guys it was like a lip gloss was makeup and she takes me pictures sends it to an agency without telling me they call me she was 14 and she was like 14 too and she sent it to an agency okay she like emailed it to you know i mean mailed it no email it because we didn't, you know, have that 21 years ago. It's a different time. She mailed it to them and they called me and they said, you know, we saw your pictures.

We would love to meet you. Would you be interested in modeling? And I feel like every girl at that age, like, you know, wants to feel good and pretty. And you think of models or singers or actors on camera. You think, oh, wow, they're pretty. They're confident. And they wear nice clothes you know it is something aspiring for a young girl you know so I thought maybe I should like give it a try like I wanted to first kill my friend and then second I thought well maybe I should go could be cool like I'm you know kind of want to try but

I'm very insecure I don't know so I went with my parents and I met them and they thought I should give it a go and so I believe you know them believing in me kind of believed in myself and I said okay I'm gonna give it a try and I would go on castings I would do pictures and it's funny once I was in front of the camera like in you know the professional way and with the team like I knew what to do like i've done it before i understood the light i understood how to move i think also understanding my body being a gymnast like i was really good with my body like i knew a little bit how to move it and how to have like strength in the body even for such a young girl and so yeah i i really liked it and you know got into it and then i went to milan for two weeks

with another girl from my agency i was 15 for two weeks and you know my parents were huge believers in language they're like the only way you're really gonna learn a language is when you get out and you really have to like use it, you know, because at school, the teachers will teach us English, but it was like, how are you? Where are you from? You know, so we definitely knew, you know, we got to get out to the world and like, be exposed and learn and just be forced to speak English. And that's like the best school. So went for two weeks I saw people and clients and I met this casting director who at the time was casting for Prada which really Prada I mean that time and still is you know there are kind of the makers they're very specific about their casting

and who they're cast and how they do their shows and everything and they liked me they booked me and i was the exclusive girl for that season for the runway show so i spent two weeks in the milan office with them all the clothes were made on me the outfits the looks of that season i opened the show and of course i was you know it was in a time of the brazilians right by giselle and all those girls the glamazones and and then you know I am, this blonde girl from Czech Republic. This girl that nobody knew. I mean, I've done anything. I was like, that was my first big thing in fashion.

So when you're 15, you're already around Giselle and all these Brazilian women. I mean, all these megastars. Yeah. What's the competition? Like, okay, so you're 15. I want to read between the lines here. How many other women are going for Prada? Like, you competing are they just selecting is it like is it a competition type thing or like how does it work i mean of course the whole modeling world i mean of course

everybody wants to be the new next girl right i mean there are girls who are already working and maybe already have careers and are established where i may be doing these shows but then there is a lot of new girls you know we're trying to break into the business like you know me and this is my i mean huge big thing and but at 15 years old new do people start to get threatened and jealous i mean what's i mean i mean sure yeah but i i don't know i never i've never been that kind of person i don't look at like oh my god look at her like i want to get her job and like you know i mean it's a human nature of course we like you know compare we're like oh my god she's beautiful or this and that you know of course human nature like comes in you know where like oh i wish this and that but i you know i always like snip myself out of it and i

always think you know what you are you and you just have to do the best that you can do and be you know you be a good person be amazing what you do come and be, you know, you be a good person, be amazing what you do, come ready, be prepared, give more than you ever expected. You know, don't give 100% gift. I always give 200%. Like I give my blood, my heart when I go to work. It's just how I do it, how I like to do it, whatever it is, whether it's like washing the dishes, you know, being on a set for Vogue or Prada or, you know, or with my kids it's just like how that's my type of personality and you know I feel like there's a space for everybody and if people like they feel like you're right for it then you're right for it like and if you're not

then you're not you know so I think there's kind of space for everyone and you just have to be you and be unique so how quickly do you go from Prada at 15 to Victoria's secret? Is there a big gap? Wait, we need to take a break to discuss lights. Lights have been all over my Instagram story. Have you seen the red light therapy? I'm telling you,

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That's juve.com slash skinny. All right, let's get back into the show. No, very quickly. So then I come to New York and I see people in New York and I meet Anna Wintour in her office. And she called you the next supermodel we read. Yes, the next and the last. That's pretty fucking amazing to be called that by Anna Wintour.

I know, but it was before I met her. And I remember going to her office, meeting her. I know I'm 16. And I think what helped a lot at the beginning, it's kind of not knowing. Yeah, you're so young. You know, like what to expect. And I mean, you kind of know, but you don't really know.

So you kind of, you know, you're just going to do your best, enjoy the moment. Maybe tomorrow it will be gone and that's it. And, you know, you had that opportunity, you had that moment and you made the best out of it. You know, I never really expected and thought I will have this career and I would do it forever I mean I was really good at school you know I don't know I just didn't ever think but then once I got into it I really enjoyed it and loved it and you know stubborn young young

self and I think then what also pushed me and wanted to be the best and kind of stay and do everything is when also you you meet people who don't believe in you or you know kind of want to put you oh she's that and she can be doing that and I don't think so she can do that when I know I can do anything and you know I'm very I can mold I can I'm very fluid I'm not just one look one type like that's also like just me you know i can play it i'm not afraid to be pretty ugly weird silly vulnerable uh so i think that was my drive a lot to kind of stay and be like you know like when you're young you're that very stubborn you're like i'm gonna show them i'm gonna prove them they're wrong what probably makes you

outwork people too i was talking to something, you know, I always talk about, I play an interesting role here where I'm sitting on the dear media, like if I'm running the company or if I'm doing this, but there's people that come and say, well, why is this person here? I'm like, well, it really, it's like not about, I mean, yes, talent plays into it and this and that, but like sometimes people are just outworking you.

And I want to talk to you a little bit about how much work actually goes in because this is, I think a lot of people that have the misconception that modeling's easy. And Lauren and i've been talking like it is not easy there's so i think it's one of the hardest travel being on your feet all the time you're on camera having people in your face like it's a lot of fucking work maybe you could talk about that a little bit yeah i mean when you are in the set you and it's also like you know how i'm sure we're going to tap into like you know the company now that i co-founded but and you know, how I'm sure we're going to tap into like, you know, the company now that I co-founded.

But and, you know, why I'm also since a very young age, I've been to like the wellness and, you know, really taking care of myself from outside in, inside out. I've learned it very early on, first as an athlete myself, second with my father, him being an athlete and kind of seeing him and his work ethic, his discipline and how he took care of himself. I mean, athletes in those times were it was a very different time i mean when i hear my dad stories you know they would drink up till 4 a.m and then go play at 9 a.m you know and that's how it was you know they would play in like converse you know which is like not the best

shoe support you know when you're running around and playing sport right like that's not the best shoe so but they still did it you know they you know they perform they won and they they did great so i i think i've learned a lot from my father but then also from my own experience coming into the fashion business you know at age 15 you know how do you sustain this energy the beautiful skin the energy the energy to give like when i work when i come in i come in to give i mean i hope you feel it like i'm very you know i love people have a good time i want everybody to be together okay we're here to create something amazing i don't come in like okay what are we doing let's do great and then let's leave and let's go home by the way you can tell that when you came in for the podcast

even you you do you it's a giving energy that's why i said thank you so like i mean no matter how small things are how big like that's how i treat things and how i want to come in and you know that doesn't just like happen right it's just something like you have to you know yes i have it in me but i've learned to kind of how do i preserve it how do i create it how do i maintain it because maintaining energy also for 18 20 hours you know sometimes a day in high heels you're surrounded sometimes by a lot of people the manicurist somebody's doing your hair then somebody's touching your face then there is a person interviewing you interviewing who you know so you have to answer questions so you have to kind of think then you know then you have the

photographer telling you about the concept then you have the you know art director telling you what he's thinking too then you have the client then you have the stylist you know then you understand like there's millions of people looking at you lights going flashes going you know you might be tired you're hot you have your period you're crampy like god knows what's going on in your life but all of that you somehow have to like put to a drawer and be like okay i'm here on the set okay this is where i am i'm gonna give my best i'm gonna be amazing what am i creating you i am i'm gonna give my best i'm gonna be amazing what am i creating you know then i get into like my zone like okay what are we telling who am i what am i what do i want to give in this picture you know and then i have to like go in and i'll

use tools so for me music it's a very important tool when i work yeah of course hair makeup you know that kind of inspires you the way you move the lighting clothes, but also how I feed myself, you know, taking the vitamins like B12 for energy, maybe getting aquapuncture, making sure that my energy is not stuck, it's flowing cupping, you know, a lot of our work, it's, you know, physically, maybe in strange positions, your feet are cramped in these super tight heels in 12 or 20 hours, you're jumping in them, you're walking in them, your feet is swollen and sweating, it's like cramped in it, you know, they're too small. Then you're on the plane, you know, in weird positions, and they're pulling your hair and then, you know, you go and go and go and go. So yeah, vitamins, very important, you know, rest, sleeping, and also like taking care of not just your body, but also your mind and your spirit, right? Just feeling sane, feeling like you're happy about what you're doing. What's, you know,

that you feel like you have a purpose, you know, you did something good that day, you know, whether you touch somebody with your smile or that you gave them attention, you know, you made somebody feel good, you lift them up when they were down, you know, so it's not always just about the picture or your performance. Of course, down. You know, so it's not always just about the picture or your performance. Of course, that's important too, because that's what I'm really there to do. But I'm at the same time there to also create

an amazing experience for the team, for the people on a people level. How do you not get sucked into the pressures of modeling? Because I recently read Janice Dickinson's book. Have you read that? You have to read. Oh my God. So back in the day when she was a model, it was, I think it was very different. A lot of drugs, a lot of eating

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My dad can cook and clean, can, you know, do anything. My mom can do anything. My mom paints, she bakes, she cooks, she can remodel homes. She can lay down wooden floors and tiles, but she can like, she works in a bank and with numbers. So like both of my parents were so fluid and like there was never you know they they would just get things done they would like work as a team they were I don't know they just like they were hard workers you know they were doers they were just always like doing something having fun and

doing it beautifully and you know had have great style of them. So I think that really gave me a great foundation. And then I think I talked about it earlier, kind of, you know, just staying, you know, who you are and just like, you know what, this is who I am and I need to like stay healthy. I think that was always important to me, you know, being healthy at the end of the day. Like I want to be healthy. I want to be sane, you know. And yes, I had my moments, you know,

where I went through, you know, some challenges, and I really had to like learn and that one time my life, I really had to, you know, learn and I clean up people around me, and I really dive even deeper into my like wellness. But it was a great lesson, you know, it was a painful time, but I've learned a lot from that time. And learned a lot about people and so then you just keep people that you love close by and that you know people love you and make you feel good and push you and inspire you but of course in the business there are people not everybody's gonna truly love you and care about you so i've learned that you know so you kind of have to understand okay you know they care about me maybe for that minute or when i'm able to give and make them look good and you know that doesn't mean that

you're gonna be bitter horrible person you just still be you good you good person that will you know hopefully rub off and like inspire them to still be a you know good person but they don't you know that they're doing their job and you know everybody's gonna like connect and everybody's gonna be a family and you know i try to but i've learned that you know that's not just how it always is and that's why you keep your friends and family close by and you know you make the best out of it and then just you you know you keep working hard you know well i imagine in your life i mean especially in your life and like in the profession you've chosen there's probably it it's probably been difficult at times to filter the right people because there's a lot of people that probably are around for the wrong reasons

and it's like you know you're getting all this attention you're on camera all the time the public's really like everyone's looking like how do you how do you start to figure out how to filter out like who should be in your life and who should not well you learn you learn of course when you're young you don't you know you don't have the best filter per se but i don't know i've i've always been kind of a little bit of tough like i'm very you know i'm very nice and warm but to get in i i it i take you know i take my time i don't always let just everybody you know in i i kind of take my time and um i like to have like i think both of us really have like thousands of acquaintances but like very few very close friends because it takes at least

people that you know take time like it could be years exactly and older you get then you know you realize you don't really need that many you know and already we're in business we're surrounded by so many great i mean great people it doesn't mean that you know that you don't love them care about them you know but you have so much so much time in that day that you you know between your work and your your family and then you know that you can really give so it's really who is maybe around you a lot or who's really working with you that you spent a lot of time with and then you have kids and then you have kids on top of it yeah once you have kids it's like you really have so little time the kids thing is like i feel like it's a filter of like okay when you only have so much energy every day and then you have kids and then it's like okay

you're gonna give half the energy to the kid and then with this one i need like he needs at least you know i was gonna name the kid excuse bostic because it's like, I have excuse now for life. I'd be like, Hey, so I can't make that. I got to go with the kid. I want to know, I have to ask this question. I want to know what it entails to become a Victoria's secret model. Like that is, that is 0.00001% of the world that, that gets that gig. Is it like this gnarly process or were they just like, you're it, modeling you're done so for me i i didn't answer your question you know so i started actually working with victoria seeker when i was 16 so kind of very early i did their show in con so they did their first show in con is that normal age no that's really not normal i i was like i guess

it was like freak of nature that i was like i did it and you know i guess i i also looked older like on runway i like even though i was always like younger than a lot of the girls i had this like i guess presence of like you know strong presence strong presence that i you would never think i was i guess that age people always thought i was kind of older and not because i look older but because of my way because of my mature carry myself so yeah i did the show and i was 16 was in khan and then you know i already was kind of doing very well in the fashion world and they always love their girls who are doing well in fashion at that time like who were maybe like stars already or established or were doing really well and but

at the same time had a presence and you know look good and could do victory secret because it's not easy you know not everybody can be in lingerie and that definitely wasn't easy for me at the beginning you know i didn't grow up on the beach with like a g-string you know or underwear like and mind you like you know we're going back like you know where i come from like you know i wasn't i'm not that like girl like super confident oh yeah like totally like i take it off and i feel great you know so it was definitely even for me was a huge learning curve even like you know how do you can be in front of camera in front of people in like very little which is it's not a few people

it's a lot of people well everybody i mean but you know for me it was like in front of camera and then in front of sorry everybody and but it was good because i really had to like learn what what it means to be sensual what it means to be a young woman you know i learned yeah to kind of i had to learn it you know it was not natural to me especially when young woman you know i learned yeah to kind of i had to learn it you know it was not natural to me especially when you were you know i was surrounded by all the brusilians who were like you know i was like whoa this is like it was very foreign to me like that kind of body movement the confidence in their body so really i had to like find my rhythm and my way and i think my way you know was very like elegant graceful and sensual I mean you know but like so it was my way each time even though I was then doing for a long time it was like okay you know I'm taking off I'm gonna

be just in like you know it's not something I felt like oh my god so comfortable and I want to do every day are you eating vegetarian keto like is there a certain way you're eating or is so at that time you know we didn't have all those kind of things but i was i actually went through a couple of years where i was vegan and but i was a vegan and raw foodist like 15 years ago way before this was popular and nobody was really doing it it was really hard to kind of find it so but I did it and then you know then I kind of I'm more like balanced I definitely like you know I don't really eat so many grains I'm very low on the grains like my favorite grain it's actually white rice and white rice so I spoke to this um scientist when I was pregnant like about things you know that because he studies foods and analyzes it and everything

and I talked about the grains and he said well if you're definitely going to eat rice eat white rice because it doesn't have the lactans so you know doesn't have the inflammation and i actually do love a good jasmine sticky white rice so that's like grain that i like i don't really eat that many grains i am not big on grains i love vegetables i love fat i'm big on fat and you know i'm happy that fat it's coming back god it's like your skin's glowing so i can see like i feel like you probably eat olive oil avocado yes avocado i love coconut oil there's a point to the white rice though i feel like so you probably can't tell look i'm a quarter japanese my grandma's full you wouldn't know but there's's an area in Japan where it has the most, in all the world, the most people

living past 100. And if you think about their diet, like jasmine, white rice, fats, fish. Fermented food. Yeah. It's like there's a reason these people are living so long and looking so good. Yeah. So I shouldn't eat mac and cheese in bed at midnight last night from the box. But you know what?

You're pregnant. So you will have your moments and your craving the box but you know what you're pregnant so you will have your moments and your cravings but you know what my husband makes mac and cheese and he makes it so good for the kids and for me and i'm not a big mac and cheese person but when he makes it it's so good so instead of using like milk or cream he uses coconut we use the young thai coconut from the can the cream or the milk and you know with a little bit of butter and it is so yummy try that instead of doing like the dairy do it with the coconut the thai young coconut cream or milk instead it's super tasty i'm also not big on dairy

you know even my kids when they were little we did they drank goat milk i mean i don't drink goat milk i don't think i can i can't drink any milk but you know they liked it i was fine with it like you know it's better than dairy but that's the formula that i just got in case i the holy it's yeah no hippa hip no hip is they only have dairy holla is the only one that's goat okay so wait so maybe i maybe i got the wrong one wait so i need to get holy holy holy is swiss and they do goat's milk formula hip is german and they do dairy i mean do you like better i i did hole i did goat i didn't want to do dairy i thought it was the goat one but you i think you're right it is that it's the dairy one we might need to get hole because someone told me that if if you have a colic baby

it's it's good to to give them goat's milk not dairy yeah is that right or vegan something yeah i don't i mean yeah dairy for a lot of babies sometimes it's hard to digest you know a lot of kids can be sensitive to it i mean adults us too i mean best is breast milk i mean i hope you i'm gonna try okay i'm gonna try and i'm not gonna put pressure on myself i'm gonna try and see how it try and i'm not gonna put pressure on myself i'm gonna try and see how it goes but i'm trying not to have any expectation i don't believe the whole theory about milk for good being good for people and bones i know this guy's good friend of mine he's got like bird bones this thing if you get if you touch him his his bone snap and this guy was always

drinking milk so it just proves to me yeah i'm like poor guy yeah milk doesn't work so this guy was guzzling it down back in the day so So you had two children, water births at home, all natural. Yes. Okay. I have like a hundred questions about this. First of all, were you modeling when you got pregnant? Yes. And when you get pregnant and you're a model, what is that like?

Because for me, like I'm not a model, but it is a lot to gain all this weight in a short amount of period of time. Was it pressure or no and be on cameras i mean i was not like necessarily modeling being when i you know was showing big time and and i you know it's i mean unless you were doing more pregnancy stuff and at that time like when i my first one like 10 years ago it was not you really didn't do it i mean now kind of anything goes and you can do it it's fun and all that but i don't know i really enjoy anything goes and you can do it. It's fun and all that. But I don't know, I really enjoy that time. And, you know, being pregnant, it's, I love being pregnant.

I like, love that feeling. Like, you know, this human, it's, it's so crazy. It's growing inside a freaking tummy, a freaking brain and heart. It's unbelievable. This like whole pregnancy, you know, that it's growing inside of you. And, you know, really with my husband, we, we travel. We really wanted to enjoy, you know, the's growing inside of you and you know really with my husband we we travel we really wanted to enjoy you know the time before he came of course I was we were both excited but scared nervous you know is this the right time how is it going to be you know how are we going to do it

blah blah blah you know you everyone has those questions it's normal it's natural and you know that's that's life right it's also there's beauty in like really you're not not gonna know you know you just gotta you'll figure it out right you just kind of figure it out and the cool thing you know i was lucky i had you know a partner who was there with me and to support me and you are together and you're awesome and you have each other which is so huge and you know to have that and you can support each other and like you know he can be there for you or you can you know you can like yell at him and like curse him out you know you have like you know have each other to be the punching bags at times which is needed you know to like flush things out yeah when he complains about his hip that hurts yeah that's his latest his hip hurt

i heard there's phantom pain that happens with men when women are pregnant phantom phantom pain yeah i mean men feel it too. I mean, my husband gained a lot of weight. You look like you haven't any, I don't know. What was your secret? My husband, he's like, I hate, how did I get pregnant too? You know? And then he was complaining like, you know, after like, you know, I breastfed and then,

you know, then slowly, slowly, you know, you kind of shed the weight. I'll tell you my secret. How did I still didn't shed my weight? I've been overly stressed. So that's my secret. Just running around stressed out. And also she told me in the beginning, lot of men gain weight and then i was determined to not gain the weight so how did you decide to do a natural birth with your first so i didn't

know anything about birth obviously i was never pregnant before i was 24 years old i was always into like wellness and you know well you know health and all of that and acupuncture and you know very curious very into all these alternative practices and solutions always so I was very open and but I didn't know anything about birth but it's funny at that time I met two actresses one from Los Angeles one from UK they both had children just had children one did it home water birth and the other one did home birth. And I thought, you know, and I respect them and I really like them who they are as women. And I thought, hmm, interesting. I should start to look into birth.

Like, what are the options? You know, how does it work in the U.S.? So me and my husband, we went on this journey and we took a class where, you know, they explained the differences in a hospital, a birthing center, or at home. And then we started to, we watched the business of being born. We watched the orgasmic birth. And more we kind of educated ourselves on birth and the options. Like, I don't know, it more felt natural to us like doing the home water birth.

I mean, it's the most natural way for a baby to be born from water to water. I'm Pisces, so I already love water. I feel so good in water. And you know, when you're pregnant and you have aches and pain, like water feels so good. And then I, you know, the cesarean rate in the US, it's so high, and especially New York was so high. And I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to have a cesarean if I didn't have to. And already going to hospitals and doctors, personally, I don't love it. I don't like the light, the smell. Already, I feel like I get stressed and kind of, you know, tense. And I was healthy.

I was like, you know what? I want to do this at home and in the water. It just felt right and natural to me. Women have done it before, before us. You know, they're still giving birth in fields. And, you know, you can do it. You know, I'm not sick. I don't they, you know, they're still giving birth in fields, and, you know, you can do it, you know, I'm not sick, I don't have, you know, it's, it's really, and then I, what I've learned, it's the baby is doing most of the work, I mean, all I really have

to do, it's just to be there, to surrender, and then that's big for me, because I like to kind of know, and I'm, you know, I'm like, I'm not a control freak but I like to know and kind of you know control as much as I can but I also you know let things happen I believe in that too but really just surrender and let the baby do its work so I have to be as relaxed as possible and then with my first one you know I was very kind of specific like I wanted like how I wanted the birth I wanted the music I wanted the light I wanted the candles like I was very kind of specific. Like I wanted like how I wanted the birth. I wanted the music. I wanted the light. I wanted the candles.

Like I was being very specific how I wanted to be. I really like putting it out there, like how I wish it to be. And I interviewed midwives, you know, it's a small world. There was like 12 of them in New York that were the best. And there I decided on one, which she had the most experience and you know gave birth to so many babies and she was like the Ferrari of the midwives then it came to finding a doula you know it's so hard when you have to hire these people like for the most important thing in your life where you know you're just saying kind of hi to them you don't really you've never

experienced something with them right it's so hard so with my midwife I you know went for her because of her experience and her knowledge and all of that and she was really nice and then my doula I was like oh how do I pick they're so nice all of them but my doula had her name was Sarah Pancake and I thought how can you like go wrong with Sarah Pancake? You know, that's a pretty cool name. So we went with Sarah Pancake. If she's listening, hi, Sarah. And Miriam was my midwife. And I remember like when it started to go towards like the end of my pregnancy,

you know, my midwife was amazing. She was a single mom, New Yorker. So she was definitely more like, you know, she was tougher. She was not like super fuzzy and warm. Yeah, my doula's tougher too. You know, she was definitely more like you know she was tougher she was not like super my jewel is tougher too you know she was not fuzzy and warm and then I remember I said to my husband I don't know if I picked the right midwife like I don't know is she gonna be like take care of me when I'm in labor like you know like she was like I don't know why like I don't but when it came to labor she was amazing she was empowering sweet but like she gave me my space that i needed but she was there

for me i really i mean i had amazing midwives and how long was your birth so my first one the funny thing is so with my first one my water didn't break so i literally didn't know i'm about to like give birth because my water didn't break this is worse no no no you're gonna freak me out here no no it was all good it was all good if this baby starts coming out here i'm gonna lose my shirt no no no you're not you're just gonna be in the moment you'll be like you just be there for her just hold her hand someone's gonna have to be there for me if this happens no no that's what you think that's what we kind of think but you you'll do it you'll be there you'll you'll manage you know we'll go in that mode you know we're you know we're trained

like we just the body like everything just we know how to like it i'm gonna be laying awake and i see like looking down being like is that thing coming yeah i'm in my water's not gonna break and i'm gonna be crowning and all you're gonna see is all this hair all this yeah that's what happened so my husband it like literally i like my water didn't break and then suddenly you see like the bubble and the hair in like you know the the hold on hold on it's like flowing wait wait so you're you're you're like laying in bed one day and your water doesn't break no no no i knew i was in labor you knew i knew i was in active labor no of course but i didn't know how quick i'm going to give birth because my you know normally your water breaks and then you know okay the baby's

going to come out so i knew i mean i was in active labor and i remember my midwife is there and i already had the birthing pool filled with water i mean i can tell you the whole experience because i mean it was kind of i just want to know that you knew at least yeah no i knew i was in active labor i just didn't know how fast so my water didn't break and then you know that you see the balloon and like the hair fall and then it like burst. And then like he continued coming out. And my husband like was in the water with me. He was amazing.

He, and actually he was the first one to touch him when the midwife said, you know, he's about to come out. Do you want to feel him? And I didn't want to like, you know, I'm in my zone and want to like touch myself there and like, I don't know. I just, but he's like, yeah, I'll go. And he like, you know, he like help and guided him. He was like there in it. don't know i just but he's like yeah i'll go and he like you know he like helped and guided him he

was like there in it and i have to tell you like you can ask him if anyone asked him what is the most beautiful most profound moment in his life and he said like being there for the birth of his sons yeah he said it was like you know and i think he tells men and you know like don't be scared or don't like miss out on that moment because he literally like saw his son come out and like as soon as he was born he you know i he put you know i put him on my chest but then i got out the pool and take a shower and like he was holding him on the chest you know and like having that immediate connection like they're so close and he like loved it you know and it was not i don't know like doing at home was just so beautiful because you're in your environment like you know and we were like it was like a really beautiful birth

and it you know was great so he it's not like it was traumatic and you know i was not covered with like things and it just tubes like it was just beautiful and he he like loved it loved it are you in your bed when you're giving birth at home or like where what what area do you like set the living room up like what so no actually both of them were born in the bedroom in the bedroom we like had the birthing pool and that's nice that you don't have tubes everywhere and all that that's probably a really special moment your husband sounds like he's a really cool guy thank you well he's aries oh no pressure we'll see how you handle i want you to say that's the most beautiful moment of your life i know i'm gonna cry for sure when i know he's crying right now yeah i might cry right now i know i already know it's i mean it's really it's it's crazy it's weird it's alien like but it's

unbelievable and it's i'm looking forward like for you guys to experience this moment how many hours from start to finish so in my first one i only come from active labor i don't go from like when you have like the beginning labor you know the contract because that's like menstrual cramp like to me that's not that bad so my first one from active labor it was two and a half hours and my second one was maybe like an hour it was very quick my second one was extremely is it really painful to do it without any kind of drugs no no not at all no because you know think about it i mean your body is designed to give birth like in the past we didn't have all these epidurals and drugs and and when you do it naturally the body you know it paces itself so it gradually like you know

the endorphins like you know releases and you're just like you're able to deal the worst i mean because i've you know started and i know the worst it's like when you get you know the pitocin and because then it's like you need that pedural because the pain it's so high because you go from zero to 100 that makes you need you know it's not naturally because when you do it naturally the body it's adjusting right like it's like you like slowly you're cracking up the volume but in the pitocin it's like suddenly it's this thing comes in your body says okay you gotta go now so it's pushing pushing and you're in so much pain you're sitting in a room and it's normal temperature room and all of a sudden they crank it up to 100 degrees and it's so hot as opposed to letting your body adjust i mean i

guess there you know there are times you, where of course the pitocin may be needed and you, you know, so certainly, you know, and I was open to it. Like if I, of course, if I had to go to hospital, like, and I need to go, I'm not, you know, I don't want to jeopardize my child's safety and myself, but I was, you know, the midwife tracks you, you do all the testing or, you know, she tracks you. And if you have a really well-trained good reputation you know do i mean midwife she's like doctor she was they're trained so they know and in life we have no 100 security whether you do it at home in a hospital nowhere you have 100

security of anything any something can happen anywhere you know you can get infection in a hospital you can die like I mean things can happen so you know you just have to be ready I mean I was ready if I had to you know go hospital you have to write a book you think yeah I think you should write a book on this so so now you are what I think is so cool about you is you're a business woman too. You're adding that to your resume. Can you talk about your new business that you're starting and how that came about? Sure. So Griffin Ivy Rose was launched last year. So we're a new startup. And it was really like the perfect timing. You know, I was definitely looking for a long time, something that I can, you know, be part of

and put all my experiences from 21 years being in this business into a product and something I can be proud of and something that really kind of enriches people's lives, you know, not just to put something out there, just to put something out there. And obviously being, you know, not just to put something out there, just to put something out there. And obviously being, you know, parent and, you know, being into this whole wellness and health and beauty that I've lived for the last 20 years and experience and explore it myself,

that I took that into my pregnancy, but the home birth and you know, how I raised my kids. And it was just the timing, I met my two partners, Rachel and Orion, in Miami. Actually, me and Rachel moved from New York at the same time to Miami. We never met in New York. And Rachel used to work in product development and creating products and beauty. And so she has experience there.

And she was having identical twins who were born in 28 weeks so they were pound and a half each imagine like pound and a half of sliced turkey like when she tells me all the time thinking like oh my god how did you not die like if i have a child that's pound and a half of sliced turkey that's your child so she had two girls like super preemies three months at icu so the first year when she took them home obviously they were faced with a lot of issues you know like digestive issues not sleeping and she's from midwest and she didn't grow up with like anything like alternative and holistic that was not her go

to but after a year of doing the medical route and you know and then she the girls were on this very strong medication which she felt like i mean they cannot be on these drugs forever i mean this is they're like babies like this is very strong and dangerous she was desperate so somebody introduced her to orion and his father dan orion is a herbalist has his herbal shop in miami for 25 years and works with his father who's a chinese acupuncturist and chinese medicine practitioner who's had his show for his practice 35 years he works with kids and adults so she took the kids there and they did a little bit of acupressure and like their it's acupuncture but it's like

stickers so they don't do the needle but they put like stickers on certain you know pressure points to kind of create the flow and open up the channels and they create a herbal formulation for their digestion and sleep and literally within a week they could sleep they could poop you know when you have kids if they don't poop and sleep that's like the most important thing like that's that's are they just the little things that they look like a little bead i've had them in my ears before is that what you know they didn't have for kids they don't do beads they're the little things that they look like a little bead i've had them in my ears before is that what you're talking about they didn't have for kids they don't do beads they're like little stickers little stickers you know like over body but i've had the other beats on the ear for little babies like i mean their ears are just little stickers they're like little stickers with a

little like a little almost like a button like so when you press it it just presses in the pressure point okay and when they get a little bit more advanced will be a little mini needle and then it will be a needle so they after a week could poop and sleep and she felt like oh my god this is like amazing like this should be available more out there we should make it more modern and we should make it like you know for people out there to assist and give this prevention and assistance solution and I at that time was also going to Orion and his father with my whole family with my kids my father my father had a knee surgery so I would take him for cupping around his knee and I would go for cupping

and acupuncture myself and when I had my Noah my four-year-old at that time he was two I would go the first time when with my father, I would take him to translate for my father because he didn't speak good English. So I would be with Noah and, you know, Noah will be running around the office and looking. And when he saw my father with all the cups around his knees, he was like, Noah, try it too. Me too. So Dan, you know, who works with a lot of kids he was like and he's amazing with kids that's the chinese uh practitioner acupuncturist he's like all right buddy let's do it i'm like okay if he wants to try it sure like let him you know let him try so he literally would do little cups on like

his body and he would ask noah so no where do you think you need it you know oh here and here and here and it was amazing how in i mean it's amazing how in tune kids are the points that he was saying he's like that's exactly actually where he needs them and from that day literally my two-year-old that time who's now four like waltz acupuncture and cupping so he goes for couples for my future you know he goes and he like loves it and it's not something i pushed him or he literally was his own wanted to try it tried it liked it and he like loves it. And it's not something I pushed him or he literally was his own, wanted to try it, tried it, liked it. And he is my sensitive child.

He's kind of more asthmatic. So actually for him, it's really good, especially like if he would get sick, he will goes into his lungs and he will get more bronchitis. So cupping, it's actually really good because it kind of pulls things from your lungs and make sure that, you know,

the fluid doesn't just sit there, kind of moves it. So i would be going there and then i connected also with rachel our husbands knew each other and we all connected they knew a little bit you know my lifestyle and my philosophies and how i live which is very much what they're you know what how they lived and you know for rachel was this new kind of coming into this this world and we got together and we said well why don't we create a brand for kids families with this philosophy about really cultivating this lifestyle of prevention assistance performance-based products to for children based on traditional Chinese wisdom but but gentle, hypoallergenic, gentle, but yet very performing. And that's kind of where we started.

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dessert, especially if you like working and you have things to do you know you don't you can't take a nap so it's like a nice little treat it's you know not super sweet but it's like does it justice has benefits what i really also love are our herbal elixirs which are not in alcohol they're in glycerin so they're you know they don't have the alcohols which is great for kids and has the glycerin which is a little bit sweeter so it's more pleasant and they got different herbal formulations very gentle not habit formating and they're gentle enough for children but we have dosage in the back for adults so you have things like immune system support called four shield which i

love and always travel with like now i'm going to go to the airport and i'm going to put it in i'm going to have my water bottle fill it with water and i'm going to put my four shield drops like 60 drops inside and i'm going to be sipping it on flight so it's got all this like astragalus you know really herbs that kind of boost and support your immune system to keep it strong. That sounds like a good one. So you don't get sick. Belly works also really good for, you know, indigestion, gas. Also, you know, the plane, that's where we tend to get more bloated. That's also really good. And it tastes good.

It doesn't taste bad. You can put it in water. You can put it in a juice for a child. You can put it in a smoothie where, you know, they really even cannot tell what it is. That's another great one. I'm going to start with the drops drops but you just have the chocolate i'm gonna talk with the heart we're gonna link everything we're gonna link everything and maybe maybe we'll talk to you guys after and we can do a giveaway for what like a product or something so we love that try

where can everyone find your product online and on instagram so we do sell on griffinivyrose.com. But we can find us in Saks Fifth Avenue, Neiman Marcus online and and on in the stores. We're going to Whole Foods with our two Bath and Body products in Florida, which we're super excited about. We are in like Ever After, Bazaar Botanica, Maisonette. And the Instagram handle? At Griffin Ivy Rose. Okay, perfect. So everyone can go stock all the products guys the chocolate heart was so good i feel really good about myself that i got my probiotics in today too i told you we were gonna get to know each other pretty well like this see i like this medium better than even maybe going to dinner because it's such an intense

conversation you get to know people like real quick how long was that taylor an hour 55 minutes yeah a lot of ground covered in 55 minutes this is why maybe we didn't talk about the poop yet i think that's where you really get to know people and especially you're gonna have a baby it's gonna be a lot of poop talk a lot of we got a lot of we're getting we i think you have to go to the airport and do your drops we got close yeah she's shaking her head but okay listen i'm getting kicked out if i had more time that was that was definitely the next you can come on anytime you want and talk about poop i mean this is the perfect way you have the baby uh definitely okay

i mean it's it's it's very important what color is it how does it smell michael's gonna michael's gonna document that in a great excel sheet for us michael make sure you change those diapers where can everyone find you on instagram before you go? At Karolina Krikova. You are amazing. That was such a wild ride. I feel like we hit so many different spots. Thank you so much for coming on. And I'm going to go have another chocolate heart.

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