The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Taylor Strecker - How To Get In Touch With Who You Really Are, How To Live Your Truth, & How To Question Your Path

Episode Date: April 19, 2019

#183: On this episode we sit down with a mega star on the mic, Taylor Strecker! We talk about Taylor's journey discovering that she is a late in life lesbian. We dive into her years as a live radio personality and now podcast host. We also talk about what it's like to get in touch with who you really are as a person, and what it takes to ask the tough questions to find that answer.  To connect with Taylor Strecker click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by GOMACRO Enter promo code SKINNY for 30% of your order at check out. We love these all natural, plant based, and organic bars. We keep them in our bags on the go and love that they are a completely natural and farm produced bar.  This episode is brought to you by HONEY. Do you want to save some money? Well now you can join the other 10 million members of HONEY that are saving money today. Honey, is a free tool that connects to your computer’s browser. It scans the internet anytime you shop online, looking for sales, discounts and coupon codes. Then when you’re about to checkout, like magic, it automatically applies the best promo codes to your cart. To Try HONEY for free go to www.joinhoney.com/skinny Produced by Dear Media 

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Aha! You have to find your brand, which is the most annoying thing in the world to say, Him and her. Just do. You have to be unapologetically authentic. You just have to tell everything from your truth. That doesn't mean it's the truth, but it's your truth. Because the times when I really had regrets on the radio was when I was speaking somebody else's truth. And then you will always get criticism, no matter what. Taylor what an intro thank you for that drum roll that was a fun little piece of nostalgia for you we are back with the skinny confidential him and her show you have me Lauren Everett's I am the creator of the skinny confidential a blog brand and obviously a podcast. And I'm Michael Bostic. I am the co-founder and CEO of the podcast network Dear Media, putting female voices and narratives at the forefront

of conversation. And then we have Taylor, our producer, who's clicking away, probably watching porn behind the wall. Who knows what he's doing over there? I built this studio. I put that giant wall up. Typically, studios have the little window that that you could see through but i did not want to see it so i just put the giant wall taylor how you doing back there oh shit not activated of course you gotta activate you always gotta be active honestly we've had quite a day i think we've been in the studio for probably six of the eight hours that we've been in the office jesus christ man that's a lot of porn what you got how loud is your mic there? You want to make sure you're heard.

I mean, you almost just blew my eardrums out. Is it really that loud? God damn, man. I have it turned down in my headphones. Taylor had a white, drippy, creamy pasta for lunch. Can you hear it in his throat? It was really good, actually. You know, a lot of people are probably victims of this.

When you go to a restaurant and you think that it's bad because you just order incorrectly well i don't do that anymore because now we've been to this restaurant three times and both dish or all three dishes were fucking home runs all right we don't need your whole life story buddy guys i am super excited about this podcast with our friend taylor strecker i have been i've been hearing from lauren from a lot of women in this network about Taylor. Taylor, if you're listening, I've been hearing about you for a long time. She's an all-star. All-star.

She was on Sirius XM. You're going to hear it in the interview for what, nine years? How long was she doing it? Every day. Yeah, I think she's been in audio for 13 years, which I have massive respect for. I think now all of a sudden podcasting and audio is like the hot new thing. But Taylor's really been a practitioner for the last 13 years. And I think that's really admirable.

Rockstar on the mic. One of those rare scenarios where you don't have to have any prep work. I mean, we always prep. You could sit back with a piece of hay in your tooth and do nothing. You could sit back and just be wowed by her prowess on the mic. That's pretty good. That was pretty good prowess on the mic. Hear that, Lauren?

Yeah. Okay. Did you like Google? No, I just, right off the top of my head. Maybe I'm getting there. I'm picking up a few things from taylor taylor how was that um okay so anyways i think that taylor uh if you listen to her she's a true um a true master at the craft of audio and it is really nice to be able to podcast with someone where you truly don't have

to worry i mean podcasting is an art it's a dance you have to know when to talk't have to worry. I mean, podcasting is an art. It's a dance. You have to know when to talk. You have to know when to shut up. You have to know the right questions to ask. You have to know sometimes the right answers to say. So to have someone that just really gets it is fun for the show. Listen, sometimes you get some fucking duds and I'm probably getting in trouble for that.

No, sometimes you get some fucking duds. We've done 200 of these things and sometimes you just get a dud and you're sitting there and you're like, come on, give me something here. Give me something. Yeah. Trying to pull it out of you and you're trying

to get you to shine on the mic i always want someone to educate entertain inspire and if they're not doing that i'm asleep on the floor and i'm bored don't want to put your feet to sleep taylor does not fail to do that actually both taylor taylor i'll give you that compliment taylor connor you do not fail but taylor strecker definitely doesn't know taylor strecker definitely doesn't do that but i feel like taylor o'Connor, our producer, has been thinking the whole time we've been talking about him. No, we have not. Honestly, I was actually going to chime in at the very end. God damn it, dude.

I told you. I was confused that they're not talking about me. Taylor, no one can hear you with that white linguine. If you're confused back there on how to turn a mic headset down or how to turn your volume down, maybe that's another thing we should talk about, Taylor. You're about to blow my eardrums. Okay, I adjusted it. You sound like the Blair Witch Project. Don't come in all breathy, all right?

It's so creepy. It's so weird. Well, we have another Taylor on the show today. Like we said, Taylor Strucker. She is the host of Taste of Taylor. She is a badass motherfucker. I will say that. She is the queen of audio.

She comes with a lot of stories and a lot of experience. She was on Sirius for nine years. And now, like I said, she has her own podcast. Welcome to the show, Taylor Strecker. Everybody, I have an announcement to make during this quick break. Lauren and I are not getting divorced. And you know why we're not getting divorced? Because we both carry Go Macro bars at all times on our person. And we're not hypoglycemic, everybody. We are fulfilled, filled up, and ready to go. Do not leave home without a peanut butter and chocolate chip Go Macro bar. And here's why, okay? How many times have you been in the airport or driving in an Uber or driving in the car or on a road trip and your husband's bitching and complaining about being hangry? Really?

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kind of not as high as they should be because I had nothing more to give. I was like, I just bared my soul for four hours and I have to do it again tomorrow. Like, I can't tell you what the fuck else I'm feeling on my Instagram. When you're live and you said something that you wanted to put your foot in your mouth, what do you do? Go home and cry. There's no editing. You just say like, done. Do you have like stories of things that you've said? Do I have stories? Give us an example. My mom used to call me for a year and a half straight and yell at me every single day. I was embarrassing her.

I was working for Cosmopolitan Radio. So I launched Cosmo Radio with Sirius XM like in 2006. And it was like the first female-focused radio show at Sirius. Like they kind of weren't in that like female space. And we were determined to find this like missing female demographic of 18- olds to 34 year olds that just disappear from radio. And we found them with, you know, our show and also with, of course, the backing of Cosmos Magazine. It's like the number one women's selling magazine in the world. So I had to talk about sex because it's fucking Cosmo. And my mom is a very conservative Catholic woman. And so I was telling a story one time about how my

friend gave a blow job and the guy said to her, you took it like a champ. Now what my mom didn't know, and not until this moment knows, was that that person was me. So, hey mom. So, but I was like just trying to tell a story, but I even was like, oh yeah, you know, my friend. And then my mom, so she called me thinking it was even a friend. She said, you know, I'm just so disappointed in you and your little brother's in the car. He's 11 years younger than me. And I was like, okay. And she goes, and your brother, Zach, asked me today, is Taylor a sinner?

And I was like, get the fuck out of here. And I said, first of all, you're a sinner for letting a child listen to cosmopolitan radio. Number two, leave me alone. And number three, my radio show is not a report card of your parenting. But she had a really hard time Cosmopolitan Radio. Number two, Leave Me Alone. And number three, My Rego Show is not a report card of your parenting. But she had a really hard time with that for like years. I mean, years we went through it.

And eventually she just like understood it and got it and got over it. And now I'm late in life lesbian and she just like has given up entirely. I need to hear about this late in life lesbian story

because I think if me and Michael break up, I'm going to become a late in life-life lesbian. We'd love to have you. Michael, this morning when he woke up, I swear on my life, if you say I'm lying,

he lost his wallet for one minute. I'm in my room meditating with my lemon water with mint in it. And he's running down the stairs. Shit, shit, I lost my shit. I lost my wallet. Do you know where my wallet is? I literally looked at him. Taylor, turn my fucking

headphones down. This is getting loud. No, I run hot in the morning. I get going. I'm going to become a late night lesbian because I can't deal with the mornings with a man. I'm dead serious. I actually am considering it. I'm telling you, it is nice. It has its perks.

But I will say it also has its downturns too. Like what? It's so emotional. Oh my God. I mean, it's two girls. And it's like girl insecurity. And like also, even though you're a couple, there's more competition when you're the same sex.

I swear. I can't speak for Gavin. What do you mean? Because, okay, so like you guys are a beautiful couple. You look very nice together, but like, it looks better. Well, I can't even say that because he's a guy and you're a girl, but if you're both girls, it's pretty easy to be like, that one's better or that one's better. Right. Cause you're the same gender. So that's the competition I'm talking about. And my girlfriend wins hand over foot every fucking time. Your girlfriend's beautiful.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Yeah, she's hot. Let me let you in on it. Lauren wins hand over foot every time too. So we're in the same boat. Oh, so now see? Now we're in a club together. Well, you have a perpetual pepper in your tooth.

So that's probably why I win. So you were married? Yes. To a man? To a man. Okay, so walk us through. How old are you when you get married? Did you know you were a lesbian when you got married? Yes. To a man? To a man. Okay. So walk us through, like, how old are you when you get married? Did you know you were a lesbian when you got married?

No, not at all. So I never was like, I'm such a sexual prude. I still am to this day. I walked in here and there was like dildos everywhere. I know. Well, we just, way before we were interviewing the Doc Johnson founders and yeah, there was literally 15 dildos on the table. I almost ran out of here.

I was like. The stinger, like vibrators, everything. So I was always kind of like prudish. Like I said, like raised by very like conservative Catholic parents. My parents were virgins when they got married. They also got married at 21 because they probably wanted to have sex. But nonetheless, it was like they kind of had this. And still together?

And still together. And so they kind of had this like template of perfection that I just assumed I would kind of mimic throughout my life. And so my therapist believes that I was like so entrenched in this idealistic trajectory that I didn't even let myself go there sexually. Like I was like, it was like, it was like I was shut down. But I remember now if I like go back looking at like the way I'd look at like older girls or like or, like, friends of mine, I was, like, I would be, like, obsessive. But I thought that I, like, wanted to be them. Like, I'd, like, look at them and I'd be, like, oh, I wish I looked like her or had her legs or had her style. But now in retrospect, maybe I'm, like, oh, maybe I was, like, attracted and I just, like, flipped that attraction into just being, like, oh, I, you know, I don't like me.

I wish I was like her. But anyway, so I dated guys. And I, like, never, my mom was always, like, you don't date guys that are good enough for you. And it's like, I don't understand like your taste in guys. And she just was so confused by it. And now in retrospect, I'm like, well, maybe I was picking guys I knew weren't right for me because I like deep down inside knew that like it was never going to work out with them. You were right for them. Exactly. I never really liked sex. It was kind of like something I did for the guy, you know? Uh-huh. So, but I just thought all girls did that. I was like, don't we all hate sex?

So then I end up working for fucking Cosmo magazine, talking about sex constantly. And you're married at this point? And I'm single at this point. I met, I call him was-bend. Was my husband. Was-bend. That's what I'm going to call you when I'm on my second husband. Or girlfriend.

Or wife. We'll wait for the day. My was-bend. My was-bend. I know, it's like, it's a term of endearment. I'll wait for the day. My husband. My husband. I know. It's like, it's a term of endearment. I don't think he likes it so much. Lauren put the tough exterior, but like she crumbles like a coffee cake if she doesn't

see me for a while. You know, she's like, I see her. You know, if I'm gone for a few days or I'm not around. She adores you. I know it. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I haven't kept her around this long for.

So I met him while I was on the radio. So, and he was really cool about the radio job and, like, cool. He'd be talking about all the stuff. And so that was very appealing. He was also a wealthy, like, sweet, nice Jewish boy. If someone describes me as sweet or nice, like, just slit my wrist. I don't think, yeah, I don't know if anybody really describes you that way, Lauren. I sure as hell don't.

He was like the Chupacabra of dating in New York, you know? It was like, oh, a guy who's successful that's not a dickhead? Amazing. And he, like, wined and dined me and we traveled all over the world. And it was kind of like a whirlwind. Like, I don't think we even fucking knew each other. And then he was like, let's get engaged. And I was like, okay, because we're living together and my super strict Catholic parents

are going to freak out when they find out that I'm lying to them and I'm living with you. So we got engaged. It was like a year and a half that we dated, a year and a half engagement. And I called the wedding planner like leading up three months prior to the wedding. And I said, I need to postpone the wedding. And she was like, not an option. You cancel.

That's okay. Or you go through with it. The postponement is like, it's all the punishment of canceling without the benefits. So just like make your decision. And so I was like, I was 25, 27. I'm looking at my manager. Like he's like younger than me. Like he was like, in his like, I don't fucking know. He's like, I was like, yeah. And you'd wrote at that point. I don't know. You're old. Um, I was like, I think 20. Yeah. I got married 27 and I knew it was wrong, but I didn't have the courage to call it off. And so then we spent the next five years in therapy, hashing it through.

And then finally, I just like called uncle. That sounds rough. Hold on. So when you're in this marriage for five years, at any point in these five years, were you like, I'm a lesbian? Never, never, ever, ever. So it's almost like you like stuffed it down and didn't acknowledge it. Yep. Stuffed it all the way down to my lesbian vagina. So then, okay. So, so you end up getting a divorce. So I get a divorce. We get separated, long time coming.

And at the time of my separation, I had like the self-awareness to say, you need to start picking people in your life who are not his people, who are your people. Cause I kind of got like, I got engrossed in his world so much. And I kind of lost my own identity. I still kept some of my friends. What does that look like? It looks like me just like living in his world. He was like born and bred in Manhattan. I mean, he lived in a group in Jersey, but like went to a private school in Manhattan.

It was like Gossip Girl, you know? Oh my God, you were like Blair. I was totes Blair. Actually, no. I was more like the kids from Brooklyn. Oh God. I had to be Jessica Zor. I'm her. What was her name? Michael doesn't know anything about that. It seems funny. Is Michael Chuck Bass? Yes. And you're welcome. That's a good thing. Taylor, who the hell's Chuck Bass? Taylor, pull them up on the screen when they're taught when they're doing these things. Taylor, I need you to be pulling shit up on the screen so that I can keep up. I think it's a compliment.

Okay. Yeah. I'll take it as that. So, yeah. So I'm like living this like near-sea life. I remember my mom and my sister even said to me like, you just get so absorbed in the people who you date's world. Like it's like, do you love us? Like you just like abandon us.

My friends would probably say the same thing too. I mean, I always still kept in contact, but I was like very immersed in his world like I was gonna convert to Judaism and like all his friends became my friends like my entire wedding party was like his sisters and like his people and then last minute I pulled in some of my people because that's when I started to realize like I'm getting stuck into this world it's not making me happy and like I have to start like it's like a lifeline to my former life. Are you talking about this? It does happen to a lot of people. I mean a lot of people get sucked into other people's lives and they look around a year or two later and they're like holy shit where did all my people go?

Where are all my friends? Do I like even do I even like doing this? Yeah. Like do I want to be at this dinner? Like it's you know that's what happens. People get stuck in this. Okay like you're supposed to travel. You're supposed to get married. You're supposed to do these type of things. Then you look around like wait a minute I don't like any of this. Fuck what you're supposed to do. I hate that. Fuck what you're supposed to do. I think everyone needs to just do what works for them. I know. And that's what I came to that recognition and that realization. And I was like, okay, so but that was like a slow build to get the courage to say, I'm going to step out of this. You know, like I remember I would sit down with my prenup every single day and be like, can I afford to get

a divorce? Like for real, like, can I do this on my own? And so finally I was just like, it doesn't fucking matter. Like I just have to figure it out because this is, I am, I am miserable. I'm sad about the future. I'm just not happy about life. And I'm like a happy person. So I started to make conscious decisions to build friendships with women, not from a lesbian standpoint, but from just like an empowering standpoint who made me feel celebrated, not tolerated because I felt very tolerated in his world and underappreciated. And so I started to meet all these new amazing women and kind of like for my own, like, I

don't know, female support friend group that they like was like unbeknownst to them. And one of those friends was this girl named Taylor Donahue. And she, I never, I didn't realize it, but we formed a fast friendship. She worked with me on my blog. She was my videographer. We just clicked. And then like a couple months later, I kept trying to set her up with some of my husband's friends.

Did you like feel any attraction towards her? Well, when I first saw her, I remember I saw her and I thought, oh, who's this tall, skinny, blonde bitch that thinks she's better than me? I don't like her. And then when I found her name was Taylor, I liked her even less because I'm like, I'm Taylor. So I actually didn't like her at all. I was being like very competitive.

But then after I saw what she could do work-wise, I was like, okay, I'm actually impressed with her. And then I heard through grapevine that she was like really young, really inexperienced. And so I was like, oh, I can financially take advantage of her and get her to shoot cheap for me for my blog. So I was like, I called her one day and I was like, how much are you going to charge? She was like, like a hundred dollars to shoot and edit. And I was like, what? You idiot. So I hired her. God damn it, Taylor Donahue. So then we became, we bonded through

working together. I kept trying to set it. So then I was like, I like this girl. I'm going to bring her into my world. So I'm going to set her up with one of Wasbin's, at the time, husband's friends. And then she's going to be able to like be a person that's around me all the time because I was like, she's light in love and laughter and I adore her. And then one of our mutual friends said, please stop setting her up with guys. She's a lesbian. It's getting uncomfortable. And she had yet to tell me that. So our friend said, when she tells you in her own time, act surprised. So I was going to Florida, Soho House for New Year's Eve with Wasbent. And we were at the point in our relationship where we were fighting so much, it was almost better to have people around us like constantly.

So she, Taylor Donahue, was shooting a video with me and Stassi at my apartment for my blog. And Wasbent was there. I think I saw that. It's called Stupid Olympics. No, because I know that wasn't it. I needed a visual of you when I heard you on Stassi's podcast. Yes. So I went and Googled your name and there was a video.

And that could have been that. We were standing at like a white counter. Were you guys making alcohol? Yes. Yeah, always. Always. Well, actually, there's always alcohol involved. So it could be any given day.

And Tay was shooting it. And we were talking about like our plans for the holidays and Wasbin said, so Taylor was also a nanny at the time. And so she's like, I'm going to be in like Jupiter. I have no plans for New Year's Eve. I'm such a loser. And Wasbin was like, you should come stay with us in South Beach.

We have a couch in our room. Just like spend the night with us for New Year's. And she was like, okay, cut to New Year's Eve. She's like heading to us. Wasbin and I are fighting. And I'm like, thank God this girl New Year's Eve. She's like heading to us. Wuz and I are fighting. And I'm like, thank God this girl's coming because like it'll even us out. So she ended up spending the night

in our hotel room New Year's Eve, okay? Like two and a half months, three months before we got separated. Do you know how bad that looks? Meanwhile, it was like so innocent. Nothing happened. There was no like wild threesome. Are you attracted to her at this point?

No. So at this point, I know she's gay, but she doesn't know I know. This is grounds for an exciting movie. So, okay. So she comes out to me at dinner. So we had like a big group dinner. We're at the end. Because like she's my guest.

And she's like, hey, I have something to tell you. And I was like, oh, God, here it comes. She's like, I'm gay. And I was like, what? And then I was like, you know, it makes me really sad that you have to worry about identifying your sexuality in new friendships. Like, that's so unfair. I don't have to. Meanwhile, this is me thinking I'm straight. I said, I don't have to identify like, I like sucking dick, even though I don't like in my new friendships. And she was like, yeah,

well, whatever it is, what it is. And I was like, and honestly, in a moment, I was like, I am so cool. I have a lesbian who's my friend because I had gay guys that were my friends, but never lesbians. So that's where I was. But then that night, I did kind of feel like, oh, she has a crush on me. Like I had like one of those moments, which is obnoxious. Let's take a quick break so I can tell you about Honey. Okay. I first heard about Honey through my assistant, Emily. She was saving my life. She kept coming to me saying, I'm saving you so much money whenever you have me order something. So what I do is I have an email between her and I.

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moment? She's like, fuck, you know I didn't. And she made out with like three different girls. So like who, like, I'm ridiculous. That happens to me too. Whenever I get gay friends, I'm like they must they must well obviously they do and then then i get let down they're like no dude not you i'm like all right fine do you know what stassi said when i came out to her finally wait did you ever have like a crush on me and i said no and she's like that's the rudest thing you've ever said to me i feel the same way when i find that out so then you start questioning like what the hell's wrong with me? Like, why am I not attractive to these boxes? Am I not checking? So yeah. So anyway, so that was that. And then a

few months later I was out with Taylor, just friends. And I said, I'm getting a divorce. I'm, I saw a lawyer, I'm separating from my husband and I can't do this anymore. And she was like, I'm so shocked because we were really good, I guess, at hiding that fact. And so my lawyer said to me at the time, you need to pack a bag of like all your like valuables because I can't recover things like engagement rings and wedding rings and things like that, gifts over the years that, you know, maybe somebody's sister-in-law's feel that they don't deserve and come steal. If my lawyer told me to pack a box of valuables at Michael's house, I would go get a U-Haul and I would fucking, I would be, I would take that safe and I would freaking crane it. I would wipe out the entire house.

You would come home. I would have taken the fucking toilet paper. Just so you know. I have no doubt. So I took like a duffel bag. I took a knapsack. Literally. I took out this purse and I thought, who do I trust enough to leave my Chanel bags with? Taylor Donahue. So I left them at her apartment and she was really like a staple and a rock for me throughout my entire separation. I mean, I was like, I was couch hopping because my husband and I were like living in this

great apartment in Tribeca, but it was just like very weird to be separated and living together. Like we were both going out drinking, coming home and he was like, Hey, you want to have sex? And I was like, I don't want to have sex.

We were married. Why would I want to have sex now? Well, I can understand that. Sometimes it's like, even it's like, you know, something a little hot about like,

we already, this thing went up in flames. You might as well just, you know, yeah. Get the good part. Yeah, you can do it. Maybe we should get in a fight today.

When Lauren and I get in a fight, there's one thing I can count on is that when we make up, it's going to be good sex. That's true. Every time. That is true. I cannot say the same for my marriage. I will go. Sometimes we just go and I'll just get an intentional fight.

I know. We were going to get in a fight when you interrupted my meditation. Take some of that anger out of me. Sorry. We're going to get a little sidetracked here. So then I was just staying with Taylor a lot, spending a lot of time with her. And one night we were out and I had seen her flirt with girls, kiss girls in our friendship. And then one night she was like holding hands with this girl, this bar and they kiss. And I got insanely jealous. And I was like, oh no, what is this feeling? So in my drunken state, I was like, I got really

jealous of that girl. I wanted to kiss you and she was like oh no ma'am no and she said you are a straight person a confused going through a divorce straight person and also i lose interest in people in two seconds flat i am like your best friend in the world right now and like if that happens you you are she was mine and she was like no she loses interest you lose interest in people. No, she loses interest. Other Taylor. Other Taylor.

Isn't it very confusing? Sorry. We can call Taylor Teddy. That's her nickname. I'm going to do a better job. No, it's not really. It's our fault being named Taylor mutually. Also, you guys have Taylor here.

This name. Yeah, Taylor. That's a different Taylor than you two Taylors, though. I have never been insanely jealous of Taylor kissing anyone. Sorry, Taylor. That's good to sorry Taylor that's good to know that's good to know so we ended up she basically rejected me and I felt embarrassed and foolish and then like normal people we just acted like it never happened and then though when we would drink and like go out she would be very flirty with me and so then we eventually went away for a work trip together because she was shooting video for me. And we were sharing a room because when I booked the room, we were just friends working together. And so there was one bed

because that's not weird, right? And then, so I guess I get like Harvey Weinstein to her because I made her watch me shower and shit. No, I'm kidding. That's when we hooked up. So that was the trip. Were you guys drunk? Oh, yes, definitely. But once we crossed that line, like, it was like, we're doing this, and now we're, like, committed to each other. And did you feel so much happier having sex with a woman than you did with a man? I felt so bad that I gave, as a host of Cosmo Radio, to women for over a decade the advice that if you like sex, you're lying or, like, stupid.

I had to come out and like a mass apologize and be like, I get it now. Sex is great. Wow. Yeah. So it would totally. So if you're listening and you don't like sex with a guy, maybe. Try a couple more guys. Try a couple more guys and then switch to your friend. Yeah. Give it a shot. Give it a shot. How does, okay, let me ask you this. Yes. How does the husband feel about all this? No. Does he, does he look back and be like, shit that like that I contributed to this or like, does he feel bamboozled or like what's good terms, bad terms, not speaking terms. Okay. Not great. But when I did come out, so, so Taylor and I were together for like, I would say a year before I came out on my radio show.

So I came out to my audience a year after I announced the divorce and a year after Taylor and I were together. So, because the divorce took a while to, like, get finalized. And I couldn't announce it until a judge signed it. You said you were dating a woman or you said, I'm gay? I'm dating a woman. That was like, it was like that. So do you identify as gay now if someone were to ask you?

I don't really know. Because you've been with one person. I've been with one person. I've never been and have not since been attracted to any other women like that. What about me? I know. I'm sorry. You're in the same boat as Stassi. Every single girl has to know. Lauren, this isn't always about you, okay?

I still, I don't like the term bisexual because I think it's a scary word. I feel like when you're like, I'm bisexual, it means you're greedy in sex and it's very unfair for me to say that because I'm not trying to be offensive. You don't have to identify as anything. You just identify as you. So I identify as Taylor sexual. I'm only attracted to people named Taylor.

Okay. No, I think I, what did we coin it when we first? Oh yes. I coined a new term and it's called labelless love. I love labelless love. Do you like that? I'm labelless love too. Yeah.

I'm labelless. Yeah. It's like, I fall in love with the person. I guess that would make me pansexual. For me, I love labelless love. Do you like that? I'm labelless love too. I'm labelless. Yeah. It's like I fall in love with the person. I guess that would make me pansexual. For me, I fall in love with energy. I think that sounds like energy. Labels get dangerous. Labels are very dangerous.

I like labelless. Let's call it that. So I'm a labelless lover. Okay. So I want to hear back to Wasbin. What's going on? So I came out on the air and Wasbin texted me the very next day and said, I wish I still had the text. I wish I like had saved it somehow in the cloud. But he basically said, I can paraphrase. I have a great memory. He said, I just want to

congratulate you on what you did. And that takes a lot of courage. And I'm happy if you're happy. That's nice. Okay. Then he wrote next next, comma, stop talking about my family. So what happened was when people, when I came up, my friend, my friend. But I think that's somewhat reasonable. No? Yes? Well, yes. Because you're a public person.

Well, yes. But my listeners were like, oh, so this is why you got a divorce. You're gay. And I'm like, no. We got a divorce because him and I and his family could not make it work. And so I was like very steadfast and like that was the reason we got a divorce. This is an entirely separate thing. And so that's why I was talking about the family. Cause I was saying I didn't get along with his family and there was all this turmoil. And that's the reason why we got a divorce. But when I actually came out to my mom

or my mom made me come out to her, she said, do you love Taylor? And I was like, oh my God, I'm in my thirties. I'm gonna lie to my mom right now. And when I told her, it was like, we like went back to when I was 17. Like she was like trying to ground me. She was so mad at me. See, I guarded myself. I guarded myself against all this because I knew Lauren was out there and she's saying a lot of wild shit, right? She's calling me Susan and she's running around and doing these skits. And I was like, holy shit. I was like, I'm going to be in a position here where if this girl gets out there, she could just say anything and people won't know. So now I was like, listen, I'm getting on this fucking mic and now I'm telling my side of the story

so that she can't, listen, if I become a Wesbend, I got a platform now. I'm going to be like, listen, this is me and I can answer back. I'm literally a projectile vomiting right now. You're so smart. I'm covered now. I'm covered.

So be careful what you put out there on the interwebs, Lauren, because I'm not here. I'm not here. It's in his head. Right? I'm not here. So you and Wesbend are not on speaking terms anymore. So that was the end of it. And then we kind of got into this fight Lauren because I'm not here right so you and Wesbin are not on speaking terms so that was the end of it and then we kind of got into this fight about like what I'm

allowed to talk about and I said listen my mom was the most upset though when I came when I when I said I was dating Taylor because she said now your ex-in-laws are going to claim to everyone no responsibility and it was the reason that you guys were along together is because you've always been oh yes always been a lesbian and she's like and that's not the truth. And so my mom's very about like justice and right and wrong and like consequence. So I mean, Catholic, right? So I understood her perspective on that. But I mean, you have to get to a place where it's like, well, who cares? Like people who matter don't mind and people who mind don't matter. It's like, if you don't believe my story, then you're not my people's anyway. If you believe their version that I left

their amazing brother and their amazing family because I'm a big old lesbo, fine. That's on you. You're not my people's anyway. But yeah, so that was the end of us speaking because we kind of got into a fight and I was like, thank you for reminding me why I got a divorce from you. And we haven't spoken in like, God, that must be like, yeah, that's like three years now. So now you're living with Taylor. Living with Taylor. And happy. I'm sure you're happier than ever. So happy.

I mean, listen, we're in a relationship and obviously there's ups and downs and we fight, we're human. But like, I mean, the happiness is just like off the charts. Like I was a very, I was sad and scared for the future before and now I'm like so excited for everything that's to come. You should be so excited. I feel like everything that's happened

with your new podcast and Sirius, you're like moving forward and into the future. And I feel like you've been on the pulse so much with audio for 13 years. It's a long time. It's a long time. I mean, that's 10 years longer than we've been doing this. And I can't, I mean, three years feels like forever. 10 years. You are on the pulse. Well, you guys are on the pulse. You guys are like, I mean, you guys are goals AF when it comes to the audio space. Really?

I'm so impressed. I can say the same thing about you. Well, thanks. You're goals AF. I mean, I went on your podcast. You guys have to listen. Yes. Taste of Taylor.

It was so good. It was so good. It was so easy to podcast with you. Like, incredible. You're so inspiring. I mean, that's something that your story is inspired my story is inspiring but i'm like a curmudgeon are you guys are you guys having a moment michael i know you want to are lesbians scary to husbands do you want to sleep in our

hotel in miami listen everything is scary to husbands i think listen it is i'm i'm i'm just on the roller coaster of life. We'll see what happens. You never know. It's always a plot choice. I never thought I'd be doing this. Why? Because I just didn't think I'd be doing this. Audio.

You love to talk. I do love to talk. I take it back. I didn't know I was going to do this. So I'm interested in how you podcast, not podcast, how you did audio live for four hours every morning. I want to like really be walked through this because I'm always talking about how I have a certain energy thermometer and I can, you have to choose where you're going to allocate the energy. Yeah. How did you do that? I think so. I started working. So yeah, the show was for four

hours, all talk, no music for like probably two or three years. Then they moved us to three hours. But like I was, I mean, I, I've only recently moved in the last year and a half to two hours. So I've done three to four hours of talk radio, like my entire career. Um, it was just like segments built in guests coming in. Like, what do you, we had that we did, but I mean, if I'm, I would like to lie and be like, Oh, the producers did everything, but I literally self-produced. I mean, it was, I mean, eventually I got some good producers, but for the long haul, I was producing everything. I, it was my first real job out of college. I worked for like six months in advertising, but then I got this job,

like almost immediately after, I mean, yeah, I graduated from college. So I didn't know better. Do you know what I mean? Like I was learning radio as I went. And I think I was just so young that it was like, I was absorbing everything in a sponge. And it was just like, I'm very obedient too. So it's like, do this. So I was just like, I have to do it. So I just had to figure out a way to muster through. Now is this Sirius and Cosmo at the same time? Combined. Okay. Yep. And I was also was, I adored the editor-in-chief of Cosmo magazine at the time, Kate White, and I wanted to impress her. So I was like motivated just by like, love me, love me, love me. And they're major, huge brands. Huge. And also like Howard does like, you know, four,

five hours. Sometimes he went on for six if he was so inspired. So to have it in the back of my head was like, you can do this. But it really was like now in retrospect, it was like, I don't know how I did it. I really don't. It's like an out-of-body experience. It's like, it's like marathoning for talk.

It's crazy. I also had a really great co-host, this guy named Kenny Zimlinghaus. And we were fantastic partners together. So I could not have done that without him. I don't know. I guess I just, I also grew up performing. So to be back in the performing space was just so exciting to me that I didn't really, I think that it was like, yeah, memorizing lines for a play is also really scary and hard for like an hour and a half play or two hour play.

So in my mind, I was like, well, I guess I kind of like get to shoot this shit. And it's like, but there were days where it was like, oh, we are, this is one more hour and we are going to get through this together. Like, like counting down the minutes. What do you do when you have one more hour left in your live and you have to just keep talking? You start talking about really embarrassing things that you immediately regret the second you get off the microphone. That's what happens. You actually really regret it when you got off the mic? Oh my God. I was, so I have this made up word called bathos. It's like, it's like that awkwardness you feel like for yourself or for others. It's like if it were a sound. It's like a pit. It's totally a pit. The toasters call it a pit. Yep. Yep. I've heard you talk about pits too. And so it's a total pit. So it's the

bathos of it all. And like, I would go home and be in the land of bathopody every single day for hours. It's like, which friend is mad at me? My mom's definitely mad at me. Is my significant other mad at me? Because I had to share my life experiences. And yeah, it was crazy. Which celebrities did I insult today? Hopefully nobody knows.

So you had to, along with the four hours, I didn't even think about that. You have like remorse. Oh, daily remorse. The daily bathos. That is so gnarly i know i mean four hours to like be just just reaching i know i i don't think i could do that honestly i don't think i could do it again i actually don't we would just be in a lot of trouble like we would

yeah we would be in a lot of trouble yep could you curse and everything luckily i had that to fall back on so i I developed a nasty, nasty swearing habit when I was on the air at Sirius. And what's the prep look like? The prep in the beginning was intense because I was learning. So it was like, I would like really schedule things out, like, like really heavy segments. Yes. Segments with like, with like bullet pointed offshoots. Like we could go here, we could go there, we could go there. Like if this doesn't work, then we like have three more to fall back on. So it was like very involved. But like, as the years went on, I'm like, I have to live my life. I almost quit my radio show to be a club promoter.

What do you think about that? That's another plot twist. I think I would have liked to talk to you if you did that and learn what that looked like. Your movie is going to be called Plot Twist. For sure. Yeah, I really like to just shake things up. What advice do you have for someone that wants to get into the audio space in 2019 or 2018? Well, my first piece of advice would be to know the year. Yep.

2019. I would say you have to find your brand, which is the most annoying thing in the world to say, because it took me so long to find my brand. But like, that's the point is you have to come in with intention and find your brand, but you can give yourself the space to find your brand within just exercising through, like just do, I would say number one, first of all, buy podcast equipment. It's not that expensive and it's really good. Number two, like get a Zoom. Number two, just do it. Do it, work it through, trial and error, see what you like, see what you don't like.

And number three is you have to be unapologetically authentic. And you have to, you just have to tell everything from your truth. That doesn't mean it's the truth, but it's your truth. Because the times when I really had regrets on the radio was when I was speaking somebody else's truth. And then when you will always get criticism no matter what, but at least if you're coming from an authentic and honest place, at least you know that that's who you are. So people are judging you based upon who you are. The worst thing is to be judged for being something that you aren't at all, like being like a fraud. So I would just say,

you just have to kind of find your, your honesty. Well, some of the better advice that we've heard. Really? Yeah. I just feel like I just said, I've really felt like I just went blah, blah, blah, blah, truth, truth, honesty. A lot of people don't want, I mean, the thing is what you said is so simple, but a lot of people make it a lot more difficult than it needs to be, right? They try to emulate someone else. They overthink it. They can't be themselves. They can't tell their truth. and then they're worried about like oh if i tell my truth someone's not gonna like it so i gotta do something else and they end up in this whole vortex of just doing something the complete i don't say wrong way but inauthentic way i hate

using the word authentic but inauthentic way and the problem is when you're doing that then you have a there's no way to level set and get back to who you are like i may say a lot of wild shit lauren may say a lot of wild shit but at, I may say a lot of wild shit, but at least people can look and be like, okay, well, they said it, but that's them. And they meant it. Yeah, they meant it. Guys, let's slow it down, take a step back, talk about smart investing. Robinhood is an investing app that lets you buy and sell stocks, ETFs, options, and cryptos all commission-free. While other brokerages charge up to $10 for every trade, Robinhood doesn't charge any commission fees, so you can trade stocks and keep all of your profits. Plus, there is no account minimum deposit needed to get started, so you can start investing at any level.

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I mean, so sometimes, I mean, and it happened more, like I would say, even like as of the recent last year, because we live in such, and I'm going to say, and I don't mean to be insulting, but overly sensitive, overly PC climate, which especially somebody who's a minority group, I'm in the LGBTQ community. I benefit from oversensitivity, but at the same time, really? Well, see,

that's the question. Yes. And no, I mean, I do in terms of like being, well, I do in theory, but in practice,

that's a totally different thing. Like every can say that they support you, but then actions speak louder than words. Here's the problem though. People are reading everything on the surface and they're not looking deep into intention. Precisely. I may have a misstep and say something that's insensitive by accident.

But if the intention is like in the right place, I think people should give people a pass. Right. Everyone's so quick to just say that was the wrong way to say it. Yeah. And you're a blank. Yeah. And then they throw a label. Yes.

It's like, OK, this person made a misstep. And also, we got to get back to this path of forgiveness. Like you may have said something. Listen, if you if there was Twitter and Facebook and podcasts that existed when I was 15 to 20, oh my God, people would be, what the fuck is this guy doing? Listen, we're holding people to a very high standard now. It's very sensitive. I get it. There's a lot going on, but there's gotta be paths to redemption. And there's gotta be like, okay, this was said in a time when this person was being irresponsible, stupid. We've all made mistakes.

Let's figure out a way to like level set this and get people in a position where they can. There's forgiveness or there's understanding like that. Like I said, that's why it's important to look into intention and understand where people are coming from, where they're at in their life. And so that's again, labels get people in trouble. Taylor, pull that clip. So when I do something wrong, I can play that back to Michael. I'm not fucking kidding you. I mean, back to your point of being sensitive, I'd love to hear your take on it. I think we've gotten to a place where people may have good intention, but they can't express that anymore because they may

take a misstep. And then all of a sudden you're the people on the attack so for example the last time i got in big trouble with my live show i was talking about cardi b and i said i love her she's such a i'm like scared to even say the term because i got in so much trouble for it okay so you know that song that goes blank blank blank blank hoochie mama you know what i'm talking about that song i don't i don't play the clip in a minute what's the song called what's the it's called something something hoochie mama. She's a blank, blank, blank, blank hoochie mama. You know that song? No. So the beginning part, should I just say it? I'm like scared I'm going to get in trouble again. See, this is how I. Well, you're telling a story. You're recapping. I said, I love Cardi B. She's such a hood rat. Okay. I was repeating something

I've heard Cardi B say. So I was was like she herself has said that she is a hood rat something to the effect of and also when I was growing up in pop culture I was listening to that a song that said hood rat hood rat hoochie mama that I sang along to it was like an anthem and there's that old meme where it's like I just want to do hood rat shit with my friends you know what I'm talking about I just said it whatever

I got such backlash that is racist you are a racist and I you know what I thought to. That is racist. You are a racist. And I, you know what? I thought to myself, obviously I know I'm not a racist, right? And I could get really defensive right now, or I could use this as a teachable moment to spread the word that there are people who feel that that is a racist word. And so let's add it to the lexicon. And as a white woman, I don't get to determine what is and isn't racist. That's how I feel. So I just, I just apologized because I had no ill intent or malicious intent. I, but I did, I said, let me clear my name. I am not this label to label me. That is irresponsible,

but I do apologize. And I'm going to take it as a teachable moment. And I'll never use that phrase again, except right here. Now, when I'm telling you the story, what problem is two people pull sound bites, right? They don't hear the context around everything. I call it half listening. And it's happened for a very long time. I think now, because of the technology that we have, you're able to literally pull it and then make that somebody's entire image and likeness. But back in like before, like there was any digital and radio, it was just live or you missed it. I got a lot of people that like would fight with me over like whatever Facebook messenger or whatever. And they'd be like, I can't believe you said this,

this, this, this, and this, I totally disagree with you. And I would be like, you literally just use the argument that I used against me. Like we are in agreement, but that's the thing is people half listen. They really, you know, it's interesting. I won't say who, cause I can't, but we interviewed somebody in the past on this show when they came on, they had their phone and they had it recording and they had like someone listening on the other end and i found it so interesting and the reason they did it we found out later is that people are so guarded now and so worried that someone's going to pull a soundbite that they wanted to be protected and make sure they had the full audio so that if that ever happened and something was taken out of context they could come back and say no here's the full audio totally understandable that's smart

but it's but that is smart it's understandable and's smart, but it's also sad that we live in a time where people are doing that. And they take, you know, like I could very easily see someone pulling a clip and just saying like, this is what this person did. This is what they said. And so like, we, it's just, it's a dangerous time. It's an interesting time. But, um, I also think it's a freeing time because you have all this technology, like you said, live, something pulled out of context. You can't, you don't have a rebuttal. Now you have plenty of rebuttals. This exists. Here's this technology, like you said, live, something pulled out of context, you can't, you don't have a rebuttal. Now you have plenty of rebuttals. This exists.

Here's the full. I have a question about celebrities. Who's the best and worst that you've interviewed? I feel like you've interviewed a lot because you were at Sirius, right? I interviewed a ton. Yeah. My best, you know, it's so sad. This, this says more about me than anything else.

I can tell you all the bad and I can't remember any of the good. Do you know what I'm saying? It's like, who's the best? Oh God. I don't know. Okay. I'll let me start with worst. Cause that's like right at the top of mind. People really want to know that anyway. Justin Bieber. Was the worst. I got in so much trouble. I thought I was going to get fired that day. It just happened to get fired like five years later, but, um, and probably a little bit because of Justin Bieber, he was just, and it wasn't even his fault. It was his people. He's so micromanaged and overprotected.

He, I was just trying to joke around with him and he was not having it. And I was like, I'm an adult married woman at the time. I'm not going to like fawn all over this child. That's like pedophilia, you know? Like he's a teenager. I'm not going to like, like Justin Bieber fan out. And so I wanted to, I wanted to take more

of like a Chelsea Handler approach, like teasing him and like, come on, like, why are you Forbes third most, uh, whatever influential person in the world? And he just said, he was like, it's all about the music, ma. Like he just had such ridiculous answers. And I started to realize this is like, I honestly feel like I, I went in with an agenda and I thought he would play along and he just like, wasn't at a place in his life to play along. He was in that phase where he was, I was a little boy singer, like this like child prodigy. And now I'm a, I'm a big man and you know, I'm tatted up and I'm like, I'm like, he was trying so hard to bridge the gap between child star and like adult entity. And actually that is a very hard bridge to to to cross so I understand them being super

overprotective but it was just a disaster of an interview and I wasn't allowed to take a picture after the interview and it was like so uncomfortable talk about bathos and he like came over and hugged me in the middle of it to like calm me down it was really uncomfortable and hands down the worst interview I ever did but you know what those type we've been in situations where it's like you get somebody that's doing the PR tour or the press and they make the worst interviews because they're there to push us. They're pushing an agenda. They don't want to have a real conversation. Like, I mean, the beauty about doing this type of stuff now is you can kind of bow out of that kind of stuff. I always think people run into trouble when they get stuck on those like PR tour band. Hey, my new book's coming out. Here I come. Hey,

I'm launching a new movie. Oh, fuck. Here comes this conversation again. Like, yeah, boring. You know, I also think it's important to do the interviews in person. I found that over Skype, sometimes things get you like, it's better to like feel the energy and be in studio. Totally. We let your manager sit in the room cause he's cool. Yeah. But a lot of times we're like, really? Yeah. But he has good energy. Great energy. Very chill. Very, very chill energy. I know he's so chill. Are you single? No. Not anymore. Recently. He recently is not single. You're recently not single.

Somebody shows up and they're like, hey, I'm an entrepreneur and I own a business. And like, here's my 17 PR people. I'm like, cool. But how do you, I don't have that. The more PR you have, the bigger dick you are. Yeah, it's true. Really? I think.

So when, so when celebrities would show up to do an interview with you and they had 500 people, the bigger the entourage, the worse the interview is going to be. Here's what I want to ask these people like, my person's going to sit there. Like, what do you think that's going to stop me from doing anything? I'm going to not ask a question. Cause there's somebody sitting in the corner and I'm going to do whatever I want. I mean, listen, respect your team, but like, I'm not stopping because someone else is looking at me. So if they want to sit there and watch me ask you uncomfortable questions, be my guest. Ramona singers, publicist from Bravo literally tried to like lunge across and cover my mouth. And I was like, get out of here.

Why? What were you asking? I don't even remember. It was like so innocuous at the time. You know, it was like something like so stupid about Bethany. What's the worst housewife? The worst housewife is Bethany Frankel. Hand down.

She is not appreciative, in my opinion, of her fans. And there's nothing less like tolerable than that when you are in the world that we're in. Tell us how you really feel. She's awesome. I think she's great. Who do you think has done a good job in the audio space right now? Just your expert opinion. Good job in the audio space.

Obviously you. Me? You guys? I would have to say Stassi Schroeder. Because I remember I met Stassi through interviewing her at Sirius. That was the first time I met her. And I was ready to go in on her ass because it was I met Stassi through interviewing her at Sirius. That was the first time I met her and I was ready to go in on her ass because she, it was season one Stassi and she was like, reminded me of all the mean girls that I grew up with. And she totally disarmed me because she walked in the studio and she was like, I love your radio show. And I was like, you listen? And

from that, I mean, I'm a pretty. Maybe we got to talk to her sometime because I've seen, you know, like Jax was just in here with Jackie and I saw Kristen in here. So I see a lot of the people that are on that show come in. And it's funny because I met you. We've met a lot of people that have mutual friends, but we've just never. I don't know if we've ever had any interaction. Have we? I got Weston's party a long time ago, but this is before Vanderpump. I heard that Jax apparently is extremely attractive in person from all the girls in the office.

I will plead the fifth on that, but I'm a lesbian. I saw him. He's a handsome man. I'm pulling a lesbian card. I saw him. He was a handsome man. I even am not attracted to Jax, but I know a lot about him. So I've learned a lot about him over the years, being friends with Stassi.

And actually, I think Stassi is more forgiving towards him than I even am. But yeah, he's not, he's like, whatever. Yeah, don't, I i mean listen respect i give respect where it's like don't sleep on that crew they're making shit happen people i think that they should run this country talk about forgiveness i think they're the modern day celebrities i agree like i think that that the attention has changed we talked about this earlier it's like where is the attention going and i think that they're like the modern day you know i know this sounds crazy brad and angelina like the the celebrity you know I know this sounds crazy Brad and

Angelina like the the celebrity is going in a different direction it's not what it used to be and people used to always be like oh reality reality I mean to answer like my best I would have to say most reality tv stars are the best interview yeah because they're just like kind of there are themselves they're used to it they're used to the camera on them that makes sense a lot of traditional like celebrities that they're called out or traditional stuff they have a difficult time transitioning because you build a career on curation right like you've curated this image this look this like you know and and then you have to kind of now everyone's like really peeling it back and being a lot more raw and real because you're like shit how do i how do i do this gonna fuck

up my whole image and so it's it's i empathize with it but it's difficult for people that are being raw and real now, you're probably like, bitch, I was fucking raw and real for four hours a day, five days a week. That probably drives you. You know what? I actually didn't think about it.

And I was recently home with my little brother. He went to Harvard. So he's the smartest person in the world to me. And he was like, wow, all these people are doing what you started doing, but better. And I was like, shut the fuck up. And so like, wow, all these people are doing what you started doing, but better. And I was like, shut the fuck up. And so, yeah, recently, recently I was like, what the, I invented this.

And pioneers always get left behind. No, you're doing a great job. Thank you. Amazing. You guys, her podcast is insane. Thank you. But no, I definitely do have like, yeah, there's like, Oh shit. I kind of,

I did invent this shit. What's the future of audio? What do you think coming up in the next five, 10 years? You guys. Whoa. Well, thanks.

You're welcome. I really do. Does everybody want to see us in their future? I don't know. You guys know what you're doing. I mean, I I've worked with, let's not go that far. I don't know if we know what we're doing.

Well, then you're making really good gut instinct decisions. No, I really, I think that podcasting is the future, for sure. I know we talked about this when I had you on my podcast. I don't know if I think radio is going to die. I think terrestrial radio might. I think satellite radio probably will, too. Actually, scratch that. Terrestrial will always be around because it's just the oldest form of entertainment literally satellite might go out but i think podcasting is here to stay and i hope and believe that we are at like just beginning to scratch the surface what i think is so much more what i think will happen in audio is it's just going to like everybody is going to move to the on-demand model right you're like listening to

spotify you want to turn on the song you want to listen to you want to listen to your pod you want to turn on the song you want to listen to. You want to listen to your podcast. You want to listen to the podcast you want to listen to. You want to be able to fast forward. You want to be able to go back. I think audio will always be massive, but I think people have gotten to a place now where they want it when they want it and how they want it. Totally. And the difficulty with terrestrial Sirius sometime, I know Sirius has the app now, but the difficulty is you're kind of, you have to catch up or listen like when it's playing and it's the same thing with tv and dvr totally you know you don't watch nobody who watches live tv i mean maybe the news but i can't tell you the last time yeah you netflix you dvr your game of thrones you watch it on your time

you don't watch it like oh it's game of thrones starting eight o'clock i need tune in i want to ask you the most important question of all before we wrap it up. Have you met Howard Stern? Yes. I saw him. Who, why? Okay. So Howard Stern is, you know, what's so crazy is I gave all this advice on being authentic and true to you and all that stuff. But actually Howard Stern is completely the opposite person than his on-air persona. But I don't believe that he's faking it. I think he is an on-air persona and like a private life persona. Here's what I think. I think that you have the thermometer of energy and you have to save that for, he has to save that for his show. So when he's off, he's preserving his energy. I noticed that when I'm off, offline, off Instagram story, I'm noticing that I'm becoming

more of an introvert and more quiet because I feel like I need to save that part of myself for, for what I do. Yep. So that's, I don't, I think he's, you're totally right. He is completely authentic, but in person he's probably very different because he's saving his energy. He's so sweet in person. I, so I, I saw him in the hallways a bunch. They knew about our show cause it was like Cosmo magazine, like the sex Bible to women. So obviously the Howard Stern show is going to want to get up in that, you know, but I met, met him at the red carpet for sex in the city to the movie. And I was standing right next to Lisa G who was like his news girl forever. So he came over to Lisa and did like an interview and Beth was with him, his wife and stunning, stunning and sweet. And she

listened to Cosmo radio and she was like, I love your show. And I was like, thank you. And then Howard came over and he said, really, I have to say, she loves your show and i was like thank you and then howard came over he said really i have to say she loves your show you're doing a really great job like like impressed and i was like thank you we didn't have instagram story then no we did not the next day he went on the air that's the highest praise you could get the next day he went on the air on his radio show and he was like yeah i was at the stupid premiere with my wife sex and city 2 i popped by saw lisa g and then there was this annoying girl next to her from Cosmo Radio. I don't know who she is. And I was like, you fucking dickhead.

So that's my answer. I think it's a schtick. It is a schtick. It's a schtick. You know, totally. Taylor, we have gone a lot of places. A lot of places that I wasn't expecting to go. I'm sure Laura wasn't either. Before you go, recommend a book, a podcast, a resource to our audience.

Why are you going all fast now? A book, a podcast, a what? A resource. It could be anything. Okay. A book. Ah! I don't read.

Okay. A podcast. A podcast. Taste of Taylor. Besides your own. Besides my own and besides you guys. I have to admit, I'm not, I'm a really bad podcast community member. I don't listen to a lot of podcasts cause I feel like I get scared.

I'm going to mimic without realizing and fuck my shit up. Um, but I would, I guess I would have to say, oh, there was some, there was one that somebody recommended me. I'm going to actually recommend it without having even listened to it. It's like the new cereal and it's like by the people that did dirty John. Good luck finding it. It's a wishy-washy situation. Unless it's like by the people that did Dirty John. Good luck finding it. I like that. It's a wishy-washy situation.

Unless it's on Dear Media. Where can everyone find it? I recommend Bitch Bible. How about that? There you go, Jackie. Jackie Schimmel. And then, I mean, book? I know, I have to commit.

I have to do something good. It could be a resource. It could be just something you like. TV show. I'm like, what's a resource? Like, what is a resource? You know what what we got all hung over you know what we could just we could just wrap it up okay good okay pimp yourself out okay to handle your but your facebook group everything okay so oh facebook groups there's a bunch okay so facebook there's a facebook group well first and foremost i have a fan page on Facebook. It's just called Taylor Strecker, right?

Then there's some fan pages. Strecker Nation is like a great fan page, super involved. And it's also like a community where people not only talk about the shows I do, but they also, they build friendships on their own and they help each other out. So it's really, that's a nice place. And also there's a Facebook group called Taylor's Toasters. So the Morning Toast and I have like a lot of overlap and I love the Toaster Girls. I love, I love Claudia.

I love Jackie and I love their audience. And so they're so awesome. Those girls have done a really good job. They really have. They're so awesome. Oh yeah. Listen to Morning Toast. And so Taylor's Toasters are Morning Toasters who are also fans of my show.

We need a group that's called Taylor's Skinny Toasters. I know. I like that. I'm here for it. And then definitely listen to my podcast, Taste of Taylor. New episodes out pretty much like every Thursday. We try to hit Thursday. And yeah, I talk to tastemakers, influencers, celebrities, bravo-lebrities.

And it's like an interview podcast. It's very good, you guys. It's so fun. I had you on it, Lauren. It was so much fun. Well, and you're a natural OG on the mic, so. You are. Thank you.

And then I also have a radio show. It's daily and it's subscription-based. You can go to taylorstrecker.com to subscribe. And your Insta handle. At Taylor Strecker. Please follow me. I don't know if we've ever had the name Taylor said in this show more ever. I know, between me, my girlfriend, Taylor,

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