The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Teri Hatcher On Reinvention, Resilience, Hollywood, & Living With Grace Through Every Chapter Of Life

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

#900: Join us as we sit down with Teri Hatcher – award-winning actress, writer, producer, & host of the new podcast, Desperately Devoted. With a career spanning decades across film & television, Teri has become a household name through her unforgettable roles as Susan Mayer on Desperate Housewives, Lois Lane on Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, & even as a Bond girl. In this episode, Teri gets candid about her early days in Hollywood, the journey to landing her most iconic roles, evolving with grace under the spotlight, & navigating the deeply personal journey of caring for aging parents – all while staying grounded, curious, & unapologetically true to herself. To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To connect with Teri Hatcher click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode. Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone]. This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential Your daily routine done better – with The Skinny Confidential Caffeinated Sunscreen. Subscribe today at http://bit.ly/TSCSunscreen and get it delivered right to your door – because great skin doesn’t take days off! This episode is sponsored by Bon Charge Go to http://boncharge.com and use coupon code SKINNY to save 15%. This episode is sponsored by Beekeepers  Go to http://beekeepersnaturals.com/SKINNY or enter code SKINNY to get 20% off your order. This episode is sponsored by Nutrafol For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to http://Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code SKINNYHAIR. This episode is sponsored by YNAB TSC Him & Her Show listeners can claim an exclusive three-month free trial, with no credit card required at http://YNAB.com/skinny. This episode is sponsored by Prolon For a limited time, Prolon is offering listeners 15% off sitewide plus a $40 bonus gift when you subscribe to their 5-Day Program! Just visit http://ProlonLife.com/SKINNY This episode is sponsored by Hiya Health Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to http://hiyahealth.com/SKINNY.  Produced by Dear Media  

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Aha. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the skinny confidential, him and her show. Today we're sitting down with the iconic Terry He, Hatcher. You know her as Susan Meyer from Desperate Housewives, the show that completely defined an era of television and became a cultural phenomenon, but Terry's story goes far beyond with Terry Lane, from her early days as a San Francisco 49ers cheerleader to becoming a bond girl to starring in some of the most memorable shows in the 90s, 2000s, and beyond.

Her career has been one long evolution of resilience, reinvention, and authenticity. This was a great conversation with Terry. We really enjoyed getting to meet her. She is an open book. We went all over the place. We talked about life. We talked about aging gracefully. We talked about mindset. We talked about kids. We talked about how to stay successful. So many things with that. Terry Hatcher, welcome with the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. So like I said, well, first welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Of course. And I was, you know, we have a lot on you. One of the things that I thought, one of the things I thought was the most interesting from the old

Google machine is that it says, you are the wealthiest cheerleader. That is really funny. Gosh, what a crazy thing. Well, I doubt that's true because I'm sure some Dallas Cowboy cheerleader married a billionaire. I just am positive that happened. But like you, I think you on your own. On my own. Well, listen, I don't think of myself as that wealthy, although I'm certainly grateful for what life has brought me. But I'm definitely not flying in private planes and both of my cars are over 12 years old. But that's not for lack of, I just, you know, I don't buy things. Now I buy my parents two and a half million dollar houses. That's what I do. That's what I do with my money that I got from cheerleading. My dad, don't get any ideas, daddy.

That's what a house cost in Los Angeles. It's not even that great at my house. Was that your first brush at performing with cheerleading? I guess, yes, it was. You know what? I would back up just to bring it a little bit to Texas and my love of Texas, I could back up a little bit. And between graduating high school and being a 49er cheerleader, there was an organization called USA Spirit that was a professional cheerleading camp thing for

high school students. And I got hired as a teacher and I taught at Texas A&M during the summer. And I still remember the most giant roach I've ever interacted with in my life, crawled on my foot while I was in the dorm room teaching camp in Lubbock, but it's also where I learned a two-step and all kinds of things. Two-step on that roach. The roaches here are too big. What is going on with the roaches here? You can ride the roaches. But that was my first sort of dancing job, but it wasn't performative. My first performative real job, I guess, was as a 49 cheerleader. And then I went on to the love boat. So were you naturally just good at it? Well, I was a dancer. I mean, I, I, I never did. I mean, that's true. I never did sports. I was an only child. I was always trying to be a dad. Daddy's

girl, dad pleaser. So I did weird things like golf, bowling, pool, like anything with an angle. The tomboy stuff. Yeah, anything with an angle or, yeah, what I, I, I, I, and, and tomboy stuff. But I never did, like, soccer or, or softball or any of that. And then I went to dance class. And so I started off as a ballerina. I think I figured out by the time I was about 14 that I was never going to be a great ballerina. I was and but you know it it serviced my ability to do choreography and dance and then that's kind of when I shifted into sort of jazz and modern and that's what led me to the cheerleading situation. So when you get your first big break was that something that had strategy behind it or was it just something? Oh God, no. In fact it it had complete universal like luck heading in my direction. So I was a math major at a junior college in Northern California.

I was also a 49 year cheerleader. That was kind of my life. I had applied to Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. I had been accepted. I was going to transfer there in the fall as a junior, as a math major. My destiny was that I was going to be a math teacher. I had this real idea that there were no women role models in math for young girls. And I was going to be one because I had had all these crappy male math teachers that I felt like weren't.

great to women and I was going to be this role model. That was kind of my mind's trajectory of my life. And my girlfriend wanted to go to this nationwide search for these things called the Love Boat Mermaids, which was like a dancing part in San Francisco. And what the loveboat had done with their last year on television was they did this nationwide search in all the major cities, Chicago, New York, Dallas, San Francisco for these eight dancing girls. And, So my girlfriend wanted to go and she didn't want to go by herself. What happened that morning, because I had to take the train from where I lived in Sunnyvale up to San Francisco to do the audition, my parents, I still lived at home at the time.

My parents were in like New Orleans or something. And my mom called me like, you know, 5.30 in the morning to wish me luck, which is kind of weird for my mom to even do that. But I, my alarm had not gone off. and I was dead asleep. And I had to be on the train like 6.15. And so she woke me up. I threw myself out of bed.

I somehow got to the thing, got to the audition. If she hadn't called me, I would be a math teacher at your local high school right now. And if you were my math teacher back then, I'd be fucking Warren Buffett. I love that. Making changes all over the place. Anyways, she did call me. I did go. I ended up winning in San Francisco.

I came down to Los Angeles. I competed again. and I was chosen as one of the eight mermaids, which were basically glorified extras on the last season of the love boat. But that, so I dropped out of college, I thought temporarily to just kind of come do this experience. But then once I got to L.A. and got an agent, and it just all sort of slowly snowballed. And I've always wished, you know, I wanted to go to call. I wanted to go to Juilliard. I wanted to go study theater. My parents would only pay for me to go to college. if I studied engineering or math.

And so I didn't have the wherewithal to do that. You know, looking back, I definitely wish that I had had that kind of training. But I do feel like I have a good work ethic and I'm sort of a sponge kind of a person. And I got the chance to work with some amazing people in movies like Soap Dish and the Big Picture and all of that. like, you know, that sort of osmosis studying, you know, that happened more in my adult life once I was in Los Angeles. At the time in the business, did the business push more for you for people to have that kind of background?

Because I feel like it's maybe less so now, right? I don't know. I don't know. You see plenty of wonderful, talented people that come out of serious training. And I guess you see the same with people who didn't. I think for me, I would have been less hard on myself if I felt like I had, like, legitimacy, I guess. And instead, I feel like I had to earn that legitimacy with some success or awards or whatever else. And even now, I still feel, you know, like I wish I felt more qualified.

It's like a proving thing. Yeah. That's so interesting that you say that because no one. would look at you and think that. It's almost like you're describing you feel like you have imposter syndrome. Oh, totally. No, I totally do. That blows my mind that someone who has all the accolades that you have feels like that. Yeah, you know, those kinds of feelings are deep-seated from childhood. And I think all you can do as a six-year-old woman, as I am now, is, as I have for many years, is just continue to work on that twofold, which I think is to continue to educate yourself.

I mean, I always do. I just, you know, I work on accents. I have a singing coach that I, you know, whether I'm doing that or not, I, I read a lot. I feel like life's experiences give you tools as an actor. I think I'm vulnerable. So I think I'm always continuing to grow. I hope that my best work is in front of me. I don't know where it is, but I hope it reveals itself and I get a chance to do it.

Based on your experience, what do you believe to be the most? challenging thing about acting for people that maybe are aspiring to that career well gosh nowadays i mean i think just getting in in front of people getting a job i think it's it's so difficult for more in front of people than ever i know it is weird i mean to that end i do feel like there is an empowering self-starting you know arena that you can be in if you are that person If you are the writer and the director and the editor and the creator, I think the industry is set up for you to succeed in a way that maybe it wasn't before. But if you just want to be an actor who has an agent that somehow gets you appointments to get auditions, I feel like that's harder. I feel like that's a harder door to beat down.

Also, I feel like when you were starting out, it seems like there was like, Jillian Michaels came on the podcast and she said, Lauren, there was like there was one person that could do the Today Show and there was one, there was six people that could do friends. Like it was more limited. Now it feels like there's Netflix and there's prime and there's all these different avenues. You could be a social media star. You could be a TikTok star. Like there's so many different ways to get your talent out. Whereas with you, there was so much competition. for the spot? I don't know. I still feel like there's a lot of competition. You do? Yeah, I do. I mean, and I don't think there's, I think there's more than there used to be, but I don't think there's a ton of great roles for women my age. And there are some pretty brilliant, talented people my age that, I mean, I don't look at it like competition, but I do think, you know, for those of us that want to work, I'm not sure there's enough roles. We need to open up some roles. We need you on our screen all the time. Thank you. Actresses come on the show and they've said that they think that there's better roles for aging men than there are for women. Do you agree with that? I just think the

world is positioned more kindly towards aging men than it is toward aging women. And I don't think it is distinctly focused on just Hollywood. I think, you know, it's just, it's, you know, you see businessmen that carry on into their 70s and 80s. I mean, look at our politics. You know, and I just think there is always a harsher lens on women. I do think we're chipping away at it. And, you know, I champion every, I mean, every, like look at Martha Stewart. I mean, let's all just bow down. Shall we? We need more of that. And you see them. You see them becoming more and more visual and successful later in age. But yeah, I mean, I think it's tough because women in Hollywood anyways, while I do think there are better roles for older women now maybe than there used to be and more, I think they have to make this sort of either a choice about are they going to try to continue to look young. Right. Or are they going to give that up as I think I'm in this lane? I would consider

myself in this lane to not fight that physicality and sort of hopefully grow into the stories of a mature woman or a grandmother or whatever. Like I'm excited about people being able to look at me on screen and be like, that's a real 60-year-old. woman. That's a 65 year old woman. That's a 70 year old woman. Like that's, I want to look like that. That's where I feel like men don't have to make that choice. They don't. They don't. Because, you know, they're still, they're still the sexiest man alive at 67. Well, that's good news for me. It is good news for you. No, it's, it's so true though. It's like men don't have that fork in the road to choose. But the problem is it's a slippery slope if you try to constantly pull and suck and

whatever it's it's that's stressful it's just it's you know I I I'm only on my side of it meaning that for and I always say for now like I don't know what might happen that would make me change my mind but for now when I look in the mirror and I think what is lacking what am I still struggling with what would I like to be better at how would I like to be better how can I find peace all the things that I think a lot of people ask of themselves, my answer is not a facelift. Like my answer to myself is internal work. It's intellectual work. It's emotional work. If I felt like my answer was in not having wrinkles in my neck, then I would probably do it. I have no judgment about it. But I know what I'm

searching for, which I don't know that I can be specific about. I just know that I have growth to continue to do as a human, I don't, my instinct isn't that the, the answer is in plastic surgery, which is why I'm not doing. That's interesting because, and the reason that's interesting is because so many people in your line of work would not answer that way. Or they would answer that way and maybe they're not telling like the truth, right? That is the only thing that gets me. I literally, I have no judgment. Being a woman is hard. Being a young mother is hard. Yeah. Being an older mother is hard. Aging is hard. So I have no judgment about how anybody feels good about themselves in their life. I don't love when people aren't truthful about it. And the only reason, because I get that you respect your privacy, but the only reason is when you're famous and you lie, you're sort of making the rest of us feel bad about ourselves. Because we look at you and we go, I guess I'm not drinking enough. water. Or using enough olive oil. Yeah. And that is unfair. But, you know, I mean, you're balancing

it against, I do believe that people deserve their privacy. So I guess I understand where it comes from, but it just doesn't make the rest of us feel great. Well, especially because if you're famous, in particular, I think, I have young sisters for women. Like a lot of women look to people in the spotlight and compare. Yeah. And they aspire. Yeah. I think there's a want to to give the perception that you're naturally perfect and if you were to say, oh, you know, I had a facelift or I had a necklift or whatever it is, it would, it would crack that. You were going to say diminish that. Yeah. And it would. But you know, this doesn't, it's a hard world to live in and it doesn't just apply to famous people. I mean, I have a 27 year old daughter and I know a lot of my friends have younger

kids than that even. And, and, you know, for those, for those generations and my generation, many of us are comparing ourselves to what this sort of fake, perfect life that people are putting out on their Instagrams or their or their Facebooks. And it's just making everyone feel bad. So it's kind of funny because if you, I actually had a makeup artist friend of mine who I've known for a really long time. And he said to me once, why don't you ever put any beautiful pictures of you on your face on your Instagram because I put all this I look like shit on all I just I don't wear makeup I don't care no no but I kind of do and it's it's once in a while I'll put photos from like a like when I went to can there were some beautiful photos and I had

all the makeup and all the fake hair and all the stuff and all the boom lift and everything you know whatever you know spanks or whatever's going on to make you look that way and that's fun And it is an extension of me and it's great to have it. But the real me is not that. And I guess I just, I put those things out there because I want people to feel okay about just being them. I think I think that's authentic and that's great. I mean, I think about a lot how I'm going to explain social media to my daughter. I've really thought about this because of what I do.

And I've realized from the best way I think I can explain it is that. Instagram and TikTok are movie sets. And it's a movie set. And these girls have lighting and they have their makeup done by a professional. And some of them are getting their hair done. And there's extensions and there's fake nails and there's fake this and fake that. And it's all it's produced and it's edited and it's just like a movie. But it's coming through a different medium.

It's good that you are starting to put that out there because when this all started, whatever, 15 years ago in the last 10 years. that is not what people were saying. No one was saying that. And so a lot of young people don't look at it like that. They look at it as if it's real. And they're competing with what they see. And again, reflecting badly on themselves because they can't hold themselves to this standard that they don't understand as fake. I mean, my, like I said, my 27 year old daughter, she just took it off her phone. She, like three months ago, she, took her account. She doesn't even look at it anymore. It's so healthy for you. Yeah, and she's a writer by profession and she just, every time I see her, she's like, I'm so happy. I'm so glad I did that. It's such a time suck and a waste of time. And she wasn't even that much into it anyway, but even for her, it's just gone. 30 minutes a day adds up to look at it. Like some people are like, I'm only on it for 15 minutes. If I add it up, you're not. Right. It's like probably like an

hour. If you add it up, it's a lot. I agree with your daughter. I deleted TikTok. It's like you, it's almost like it's creating boundaries for yourself and being intentional about the boundaries that you create. I think that's great for your daughter. The platforms all started as photo editing and curation platforms to put your like your best photo out there. Right. And so then it it went that way. And we just had Jonathan Haid on this podcast. He wrote that book, The Anxious Generation, talking to parents about children. But, like, really, like, we were the first generation to kind of, like, use the tools. The generation under us that had kids was the first generation to have to parent with these tools. It's like nobody, there was nobody to look to you to be like, how do you

talk to your kids about this? It'd be like talking to my dad back in the day about how to, you know, use the computer. Right. He was like, his dad didn't even, they didn't exist. Right, right. I was going to ask you in this line, like, do you feel because you have some of the accolades like you've you know you've done the bond girl you what's what's a quote what's a stat here you were voted FHM's 100 top sexiest women multiple years top four 1996 you won in 97 all you feel because you've done that it's like box checked done it not as important to you anymore well I never cared about the beauty side of anything so all of that is just I mean I don't even know like it's just whatever it is um I don't know what I think of awards but I feel like

the couple of opportunities like some of the episodes of Desperate Housewives where I played Susan Meyer over that that amount of years that the show was on the air some of that work I'm really proud of like as we've been doing this podcast that I'm doing we're starting at the beginning which I haven't watched the show in 20 years and my daughter's never seen the show and then my other co-host on the podcast is the girl that played my daughter on the show when she was 13. So it's wonderful.

We can get more into that. Did your daughter and her have a relationship? They did. Yeah, I mean, so Andrea was 13 when she started the show. She was 13 to 21. And my daughter was 6 to like, 6, 7 to like, you know, 15. And those early days, yeah, Andrea would color with my daughter on the set. like if I bought my daughter to the set.

And my daughter's an only child. And Andrea comes from the most beautiful family of six siblings. And her parents are just lovely. We're all still friends. We've been friends for decades now. And that's amazing in itself. But what I was going to say is in looking at some of these early episodes, like I think one of the scenes that I'm probably most remembered for is this scene where Susan gets locked outside of the house naked. And she sort of does this little dance with a bush across the lawn and then tries to get in the house.

house and then she falls naked into the bush and then her eventual love of her life mike find the plumber finds her in the bush naked and it's it's very choreographed it's very danced if you if you will you know it's comedic and i think that that was something that i just i loved rising to the challenge of that and creating that kind of entertainment that's sort of lived on through generations enjoying i watched it i watched all of the episodes you did all of it i love the show i And I don't, I want to say, I don't know how old I was, but I don't know if I was sneaking it behind my mom's back. You seem pretty young. Yeah, you might have been.

I maybe was. I might have been sneaking it. Yeah. Because what was the run days of the years? I'll tell you how old you were. It was 2004 to like 2012. Now, we were like almost out of high school. Oh.

Oh. Really? Okay. Really? Yeah, we graduated in 2005, didn't we? It's an iconic show. I mean, I love that you're rewatching it with your daughter, whose name I love. Her name is so cute.

Your mom was pretty strict, so you might have been sneaking it. But it's something that I feel like is, what's that word perennial? Perennial? Perennial seller. Like, it's something that you can watch at any time and it's still good. Do you know what I mean? Like, kind of like the Wizard of Oz. Well, gosh.

You know, you can watch it. It doesn't make sense. I feel like that, that it's, I mean, it's weird to talk about something like that that you're in that way. But I do, what is fun about this show is that if you think about it, Susan was really only about a quarter of the show. You know, there were four other characters or three other characters that had major storylines. And so sometimes watching it, you know, I'm really only aware of the parts that I shot that I was involved in. And then there's a whole bunch of the show that I was not there when it was being shot. And so it is like watching a show that you're not in.

And everyone is so good. And it really does hold up. It really was a good show for, you know, if you think about it, it was on a network. Like, you could, you had to, it was appointment television. It wasn't streaming. It wasn't, you know, on HBO. I mean, it's, it's kind of. For the young people listening, they forget, like, we, you know, they used to tune in sometimes.

But you guys also set the stage for real housewives. Yes. Yeah. You did. Like, that was like, I feel like. I mean, I certainly credit Mark Cherry, the creator of Desperate Housewives, with that. And I always say, like, I'm sure he deserves a little percentage of

all of Andy Cohen's money. Andy. I'm sure Andy's going to love that. That's going to be the headline from this. So what, how do you get approached to do Seinfeld or did you approach them? Speaking of perennial seller. Yeah. And how do you, how do you

even, like, how do they tell you the idea for the episode and what is your response behind the scenes? Okay, well, some of this, I mean, this is a long time ago. So maybe you don't remember. So, I'm not sure that I remember all the details, but I will tell you what I think I remember and I just qualify that with, I could be wrong. Like if you ever get Larry David in here, he might say, that's not how that happened. But anyway, I seem to recall that I was just

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And where were you at your career in this point? I had not done Lois and Clark. Okay. But I remember when I did this episode of Seinfeld, Jason Alexander said to me, good things are going to happen for you because this good things happen to people that do this show. I mean, like, think about a lot of the career, a lot of the, like, Brian Cranston was on there.

There's so many people. And I feel like right after this, I did get Lois and Clark. So he was right. And, but I guess, you know, I had done a movie called The Big Picture with Christopher Guess. That was my first movie.

And I actually think I was told, again, so who knows, if this is true. But I was told that Larry and Jerry had seen that, and that's why they cast me as this part. And that's why I didn't have to audition. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I was told. So, you know, I kind of remember it being like the easiest job ever. You know, sitcom schedules are you show up around 10, you do some reading through the script, you get it on its feet, you sort of rehearse it for the producers, and you kind of leave around three or clock or so. And then one day you shoot it in front of a live audience and that day goes into the

evening. So I just remember it not being difficult. You know, I always approach things. Obviously, you're nervous. It's Jerry Seinfeld. Like, you know, you just, I was just want to deliver. Like, whatever it is they wanted, I wanted to do what they wanted. You want to do your best and give them exactly. That was like the biggest show at the time on television. right? Like that was the... I don't even know if it... What season was it? I feel like Seinfeld got bigger.

Well, I kept going. I mean, it still, but like it was big though. Yeah, but it got bigger the longer it was on, I think. And I, you know what? I'm not, I don't know how big it was when I did my thing. I know my thing became like much bigger in the many years afterwards. Like, honestly, I think real and spectacular is going to go on my tombstone. I mean, how can it not? Like, like, Michael was like, I'm going to start the episode off with that. And I said, do you know how many times that people have come up to her? Yeah, but you, but I just had, no, this is really funny. We were, you know, we've been promoting my podcast and we were at one of the local news stations.

And the guy who was putting on my microphone backstage, he, you know, very sweetly and sheepishly, you know, he's like, I just have to say, like, that was my favorite episode of Seinfeld and they're real and they're fantastic. And I'm like, that's not the line. They're actually spectacular. You should get merch made for your podcast. Well, you know what I recently did? I changed my Instagram. You know how I used for years.

I used to have like, I'm a mom, I'm a, I'm a friend, I'm an actress, I'm whatever the things were. And I recently was like, you know what? I'm just real and spectacular. That's what I am. That's all it says now. Real and spectacular. And you either get it or you don't. You have to create a sweater for your podcast.

it across the boobs and on the back says the handle to your podcast. I swear to God, people on TikTok would love that to wear over their boobs. Well, you seem like the person that can give me the right advice. I'll take it. Okay. I'll wear it. I mean, people literally would go crazy for merch like that. Just like a simple sweater. That's a fun idea. Do it Navy. Get a simple little thing and then on the back have your handle. I bet if you came out with that merch, it would sell out. It would Okay. I love it. Can you trademark it? That is a show. I used to, so my mother was such a huge fan of, and that's a show you would tune in for. Like, I remember being a kid and sitting down and waiting for that, and I think Friends was around the same, like, you would switch, or she was into Melrose Place.

It was like that, that moment in time, all those shows. You were, you were copying a look at when she was on the screen. It was a great episode. There is something also that I think is actually scientifically sort of studied, is that, nostalgia, like things that you already know are actually relaxing for your brain. That's why people are addicted to windex. Wait. People will not get rid of their windex because they remember the smell in 1995. It reminds them of their mom cleaning the kitchen table.

They won't switch. That is so interesting. We keep eating and drinking harmful things that you had from childhood because it's like it's comforting in that way. Right. But apparently watching television that you know. No, like friends or whatever. It is there's, your brain can go into like calm mode because you know nothing surprising is going to happen.

And that's another reason why all these shows are having their resurgence. That makes, when you say that, that makes me want to go watch Desperate Housewives again. Like, I totally get what you're saying. You will. And then listen to our podcast. Yes. Yes. It makes me want to just go down a rabbit hole.

You know, that's been actually hard in doing the podcast. So each episode is connected to one of the episodes from the show. show and so when I'm watching the show like and making my notes about what we want to talk about what we've done with our podcast is we've we've used the show and sort of analyzing the show and also like honoring the show is sort of a love letter but we're using the the different things that happen to the characters as sort of a springboard to talk about life and you know we've got my daughter who is 27 and then we have Andrea who's 35 and she's pregnant and newly married and she's about to have her first child and then me who's 60 and single

and so it is a fun conversation that we have just about life and relationships and being a human being in you know in regards to how it connects to the show but so I have to watch an episode and then come in to do the podcast and the hardest thing about it is not binging the show because I have to stop because I just want to keep watching it but I have to stop it's because like when you see all the characters, like, you, you know, you know them. Like, for instance, like, now being a mom at, at, and taking my kids to school, like, there is, there's one, there's a Lynette. There's a Lynette at school. Yeah. There's, there's, you know what I mean? Like, it's such a, like, good stereotype. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's exactly what it is. And I think there's a little bit of each of those

stereotypical women in all of us. Totally. Which is why I think. I think. we relate to it so much and why it feels so comforting to watch. I mean, honestly, it is crazy that I have such affection for the show because it feels like I wasn't in it. Like, it feels like, yeah, it's very weird. That's crazy. It is weird. My plumber is not as hot as your plumber.

Mine isn't either. I mean, I've never met one. What kind of plumber? And remember the pool boy, Jesse? Oh, the gardener. The gardener. Wait, what was his name on the show? listen to this line.

The gardener's name was John. John. John, John the Gardner. John the Gardner. John the Gardner. Yeah, yeah. What is it actually like hosting Saturday Night Live? Like, it seems to me that that is so much work that people don't realize and pressure. What is that actually like?

Take us behind the scenes. Well, I, you know, I recently got to revisit this because I did David Spade and Dana Carvey's podcast, and so we were talking about it. David was on the show when I did the show in 96, I think it was. was or maybe 97 anyway total honor like i you you were talking about sort of bucket list things and i would say hosting saturday night live is just an absolute bucket list for me i went into it i had just wrapped a season of lois and clark and i went into it feeling like you know i had done my fair share of help superman help and i was really excited to just do other things like

Do you know what that reference is, Lauren? I'm assuming it's in Lewis and Clark, right? Yeah, because it's like, it's a comic booker. And Lois said that a lot. Like, help Superman, please. You know, in every episode. You wanted to, like, I wanted to have a fresh sleep. She's not a comic person.

It's okay. I'm a housewife person. I wanted to expand myself. So I kind of went in on the first day and I was like, I'll do anything. You guys write. Like, the crazier, the better. I'm up for all of it. I'm up for the challenge.

And, you know, it's. It's just fascinating. Like, they're watching how fast they write things and the different characters and, you know, throwing your different costumes on. I mean, how they pull that off is just, it's amazing. I got to do a Mary Catherine Gallagher superstar set. I got to do a cheerleader with Will Ferrell and Sherry O'Terry. I did the sketch with David Spade. Yeah, I felt like it was really memorable and fun and challenging and crazy.

And again, I've had many things that when I look back, like this is another thing that falls into that category. I originated the national tour of Cabaret as Sally Bowles from Broadway back in 2000. And so I did it for seven months. I did Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, and D.C. That's a lot of work too. And I was breastfeeding. My daughter was like a year old at the time. and she went with me.

And that was an amazing, crazy, amazing, draining, wonderful experience. But I put these two in the category of like, these things have happened to me or I don't know if happened to me or with me. And they just feel like someone else. Like I feel like I've been around long enough to feel like maybe it's like nine lives. Like, oh, that was a lifetime on that thing. And then that was a lifetime on that thing. And the fun part of that is I feel like now at 60, like, okay, what's this lifetime?

You know, what's about to happen? You know, what's this going to be? It seems like you're more in control of your own narrative of what that looks like at this point in your life. If you get to have your podcast, you get to explore what you want. I know you have your series on Instagram. People are really resonating with that. Like, it seems like you get to create it. But you know, like in this medium, which is long format, and I appreciate you doing this show.

And it's like newer for you, right? like this kind of like law but it's like interviewing you and we you know sometimes we'll talk to people and it's like on one subject on one thing or like they're an expert on a book right and with you like we can go years and years like decades of different experiences you know like it's taking everything in me they'll be like what did you say michael again i'm so old now i can't quite hear you because like you know we could i could go into super simville but like you know bond our son's name is bond like i've seen every like i know all you were a bond girl like i'm Like, there's a million things.

And it's, you know, Saturday night live. Give us the juice on being a bond girl. What's the juice on that? Yeah, there's no. It's just so funny. It's like, it's, I. You have to prepare? Like, what do you do for that?

No, I mean, honestly, I was pregnant. I was like seven weeks or eight weeks or nine weeks pregnant when I went to film that. So my boobs were huge. At nine weeks pregnant, I looked five months. So I couldn't have done it. Sorry. But one of the reasons. I took the part. I'd been offered this other movie that I kind of really wanted to do that was a bigger, you know, more like your classic rom-com sort of movie. And I couldn't do it because it would have taken two and a half months to shoot that movie. And by the time we got into it, I would have been too pregnant. And then I got offered the Bond film, which was only two weeks of work. It was a very small part. And I sort of thought, okay, I can quietly go do this movie before anybody realizes I'm pregnant. And unfortunately, this was a

in the day when like page six, whoever that writer was, Liz, somebody, like outed my pregnancy in the newspaper. That's why we forgot her name. Yeah, I mean, she was very famous, but yeah, it wasn't cool. I was already filming when that came out. And like, I hadn't told friends and I hadn't told, because you don't tell people before your, your first trimester. It's so invasive. Yeah, it was really invasive. Anyways, so it was kind of a weird for being this, quote, unquote glamorous thing to be a bond girl I was just over there

doing a piece of work the last piece of work I was going to do before I was a mother and you can understand that like that was my mindset and I was trying to do a good job within that but like I had other things in the forefront of my mind

than I'm sure the people involved with the film were concerned with yeah when like in that fan base is so crazy there's so much press around any of those movies like after you know people just go wild with that stuff everyone wants to know every little detail like right now the big thing is like who's the next one people are going nuts about that right they haven't made that decision

yet have they? I don't think so I just think it's like it's such a big franchise that span for so many years and people love it so much yeah no I love it I mean I love it and I love being in it I mean I love I love like the have your kids they're probably they're too young to see Coraline yet right we thought oh you did love that Okay, so that might be one of the pieces of work that I'm the most proud of. That's interesting.

I think my voice work was amazing in that. I think the fact that I played the evil mother and the regular mother, like, I loved how we approached that. And that thing is just a piece of art. I mean, the whole movie should just be hanging in a museum. I mean, it's unbelievable the artistry of what it took to get that thing done. So, you know, I do look at my career in a weird way. like there are these

sort of tent poles if you go like Bond girls, Seinfeld girlfriend, Lois Lane, Coraline, they're all it is, but it again, it feels like it's not me. That's so weird. Yeah. I think that it's because your

job, unlike, if someone works nine to five and they work the same job for 20 years, it's the same thing every day, your job is to step into different characters and different people and maybe that's why you feel almost a detachment. Maybe. By the way, Coraline, that is, we, I took you to see that movie. I remember.

When we first started dating, we loved it. And then we showed our kids that both of our kids, they loved it. They picked it for family movie night. I'll have to tell my daughter that I met the mother. If you want me, sometimes people want me to leave voice messages for them like, you can stay forever if you want to. Or like, you know, like creepy things like that. So if you ever want that from me, feel free.

I can do it. If they're misbehaving, might have to have you play the evil. Exactly. I'll be the either of it. I would love to know more about why you decided to create the sandwiched series. Well, I mean, I know we were talking before we were recording, so now I don't remember what I've said while we were recording or not. But about three years ago, my dad got diagnosed with dementia, and they lived in Orange County. And that traffic from Los Angeles has just gotten worse and worse over the years to the point where, you know, it could take me two and a half, three hours to get there.

And I was getting calls from their neighbors that, you know, we love your parents, but we just don't know that we're going to be able to support them in the long haul. And I'm an only child. And, you know, my parents are very independent. And my mom is just like stubbornly independent. They didn't want to accept help. but I finally convinced them that it was just not sustainable for the long haul, for them to not have any help but be so far away and have nobody there. So I got them to move up to Los Angeles and I was lucky enough to be able to afford

to get them a house in my neighborhood. And I set it all up for them so that it's like really lovely to be in and has great vibes. And I have some caregivers that help me. But I mean, as my close friends have witnessed, I mean, it's, you know, every night, I have, I have a ring camera in that, that kind of projects over their sort of major living area. And every night, I get in bed and I look at the ring camera and I just go like, okay, did they go to sleep? Did anybody fall down? Does it look like they ate their dinner?

And I'll just sort of, you know, whatever, I'll give a call or, you know, I'll run up there. I mean, it's some constant level of, of caregiving and sometimes much bigger, like my mom was in and out of, the hospital five times in the last few months. And while that was happening, nobody was home to watch my dad. And he ended up taking his pills twice because he didn't remember that he had some the nurse had given him his pills. And you know, it's it's kind of constant even if you're not the actual person doing the caregiving. And all is this to say, I also after Desperate Housewives went to the court on blue because I've always cooked, but I really wanted to be elevate my cooking even more than it already was. And so I put those two things together that I know how to

make great food and this idea of being sandwiched between, you know, taking care of your parents and your children or just when you felt like this is finally going to be that time in my life that I'm going to focus on me. And then you're kind of unable to in the way you imagined and anticipated. And I thought it might be a cool thing to create this community where I make, make yummy sandwiches while I'm talking about this in my kitchen. And so that's what I did. And I put that out there. And it does seem like people are really responding to it. And sometimes you can't fix it, but just feeling like you're not alone, just knowing that somebody else is articulating what you're going through, I think is a relief. So many people on Instagram are talking about, I see it all

the time. I don't know if I'm getting served it, but about how hard it is to take care of a toddler. And it seems to me, and I haven't gotten to where you're at yet, but it seems to me there's a lot of parallels between... Well, as you were talking, one, that's so nice of you to do that because, I mean, just so kind that you do that for your parents, but it's probably constant stress for you, too, to be checking in on that camera all the time and looking and wondering and, like, hoping for the best, like praying the shop and worse, you know? It is like managing a toddler in a way. It totally is. And in a way, it's worse. Because the toddler, you can just say, sit in the car seat and this is where we're going and this is what you're eating and you know they might not like it but they're going to do what you say because that's the dynamic you know my mom she she does in a way make it worse because she's so resistant and you know she'll be resistant to help but then she'll get an infection that then turns into sepsis and like if she had just accepted the help

we could have stopped in advance, like I keep saying to her, I'm trying to put things in place that will keep you from being in a wheelchair. Like she'll say to me, I'm not taking any help until I'm in a wheelchair. And I'm like, I'm trying to keep you from being in a wheelchair. And I know that this is other people are experiencing, experiencing exactly what I'm talking about. It is in a way more frustrating because you can't really tell your parents what to do. And like the way you could tell a child what what to do. And part of the work that I've had to do, I mean, you just sort of subtly mentioned it, Michael, that like, I've had to give myself grace for like, there is a little bit of you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a drink thing going here. Like, I know

that I have put in place and done absolutely everything I can do. And I can't make them change their diet. I can't make them walk more. I can't. The things I can do I've done and I've had to go and now I have to like be at peace with this. I also think there's a generational thing too where like they grew up in a generation where maybe it's not as important to have a self-care routine. And so like that's just what they've been ingrained. It's like you're right. You can't do it. And they don't know modern things. Like my dad can't use a phone. He, he, he, he, he, he, How nice for him, though. I mean, maybe.

That kind of feels springing. But it's frustrating for you, but it's nice for him. He wouldn't be able to call for help or he can't get an Uber or he doesn't, can't order food. Like all the things we do. Even the games and stuff that I think maybe he might benefit from, like the kind of, I don't know, word games and things for your mind, he can't do any of that. And they don't, they didn't evolve with learning modern. conveniences. So they don't know what Twitter is. They don't know, you know, they're very stuck in the things that they knew in the 80s. Right. And it's fine, except it's not reality. Like, I know the modern things. I know that exercise and diet and social activity are good for for Alzheimer's and dementia. I know those studies. my parents don't. So me trying to put those things in front of them to make their lives be more

joyful and healthier for a longer amount of time is difficult because they don't necessarily agree with me or they aren't aware of like current facts. I had to have a whole debate with my dad about asperate. Is it a speratine? Aspartine. Yeah. In like Diet Coke or Pepsi. Not good for you. Yes. And I had to have. He's like, no, and he would fight me on it. And he would say, like, no, but the fruit juice has more sugar and that's where something, no, you can't, that's a natural sugar and a fruit and a natural fruit. And like, he would fight me on it because that generation, they came through that period of time when that was pushed to them, like, this is a good for you better version. That's a small

example. No, no. But there was no budging it for years. But it's a perfect example. And yeah, I've definitely lost the battle on nutrition. Like, if I had had my way, I would have had one of those kinds of chefs or those home services, you know, that's delivering the good meals where and they just, they want to eat, you know, canned whipped cream and frozen food from Costco. But what a gift that you can give to your daughter? Because now you know how important it is for you to evolve. And I'm hearing this. When I get older, I'm like, okay, I need to make sure that I'm evolving and learning and keeping up. Yeah. So now you can set yourself up so you can give your daughter, maybe a different experience.

I think that's true. Maybe it's happening, like all happening for you. Well, I think that's a really good way to look at it. And I am trying to continue to learn new things and not get settled in what is comfortable for me. I mean, honestly, doing a podcast. I know. Like, it's crazy.

Doing a podcast or like editing. Like, sometimes I'm like doing editing now or making these videos. I mean, I can't say that I enjoy it. But I do enjoy community. I really do. My daughter always tells me that the older I get, the more of an oversharer I am. Like if I go to the grocery store and you know how people will just casually be like, how's your day? I mean, you're in trouble because like you're just going to, you're going to hear about, you know, well, this morning my cat threw up on my favorite rug and then it took me.

I love that. You know what I mean? And you're going to get an earful. And I just, I love meeting people. I love strangers. And so I am trying to continue to grow my community, learn new things. But to that end, my friends and I, we were like, you know what we need to do? We need to write a letter to ourselves right now that says, Terry, if you're reading this,

you are probably 80 years old. And you probably don't want to have a caregiver or blah, blah, blah. I'm telling you, as a 60-year-old, don't do this to your daughter. and do this and this and this and this because what happens is like my you know my parents i'm still having the no you can't drive the car no you don't have a driver's license that's valid yes i do no you don't like i here's the letter your your driver's license has been revoked because you failed this that and the other thing that's not true yes it is you know what i mean like it's frustrating it is really hard it sounds really frustrating because i imagine like it's

probably so frustrating for them. Oh, I know. And that's, I have empathy for that. And I'm not trying to take their independence away. Lauren, you try to stop me on that wheel. I'm going to be, I'm out of it. I'm going to be like, you go off. You know who just wrote a good book that I feel like there's a book in you for this is

Bruce Willis's wife just wrote a book on caring for him, which is different than what you're describing. But I feel like we need a book from someone who's a daughter or a son about the parents. Okay, Random House. Did you hear that? Random House. We need some merch and we need a book because not a lot of people talk about it. It's inevitable.

Any of us with aging parents are going to face this day eventually. We are all aging and going to face this day event. Like it's, you know, aging is scary. And by the way, it's a blessing. It's a blessing to be aging. And so I think bringing it back to me, my whole thing is about trying to age well. And, you know, that includes what I'm eating, how I'm exercising, you know, how I'm, like I said, learning, you know,

what I'm doing with my brain in a way that I don't think my parents considered. Like, I think my parents, my mom specifically, I really think that she thought they're just going to drop dead on the same day. Like somehow... That's what I think about me and Michael. I'm with your mom. I'm like, well, we'll just die the same day. Yeah.

I might go a little further. Maybe you never might have a second act. You never know. You can have a second act if you want to be dead. You know, I don't know if you've seen this. I had a grandmother, one of my grandmother's... passed from dementia, and she had that. And there's, I don't know if you've seen this or if there's into truth. And I'm definitely not a doctor or the person, but there's been more people and

more studies coming out talking about higher cholesterol being associated with a defense against Alzheimer's. And eggs, obviously in particular, like, but our parents' generation, that was a generation of like low cholesterol, less cholesterol, don't do that. And I don't know if you've seen anything like that. But it's interesting how science evolves and more information comes out because I just think about kind of the marketing and the messaging from the medical, not that it's their fault where they thought at the time high cholesterol is bad. Now they're saying maybe that guards against, I can be wrong. I don't even think my parents come out of a generation or at least not their personal life story of where there was even that

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look, but, but oh, well, because I can still take my big heavy suitcase and shove it in the overhead bin as I'm traveling to France for my vacation. Like, that's what's, important to me. The wealthiest cheerleader, I told you. So what do I do twice a week. I work out with a trainer with that kind of workout with weights where you're pushing like the maximum weight that you can push for two minutes before you sort of like fail. You know, you push to failure. So I do that for my bones and my muscles, even though I'm thin, that that is what I'm doing. I do sprint sets on on the treadmill. I have it at around. like a two incline and I'll do maybe 10, one minute off, one minute on sprint sets. And then

what I look at is more of like a mental health thing than a physical health thing is in my neighborhood I can hike up into the hills. And so we'll hike. It probably will include about like 10 floors, meaning like the hills are pretty significant, but I'll do three to four miles. And in those hikes, which I do almost every day, I usually don't have head, phones in and and I had this app that I that I got a long time ago called Merlin which is a which is a bird identifying app and so I sort of looked at it as a meditation of like I'd be walking along and when I finally heard like you know tweet tweet tweet in a certain way I'd be like oh curiosity like what's that bird and I would get out my little app and it would tell me like oh that's a finch or that's a sparrow

or that's a hawk or whatever and then I would see if I could find it and it was kind of this like calming. My kids would love that too. I could play it in the morning when Morn's talking it'll come up as like crow. That's right. Don't speak to me before 10.

So I think those are primarily my exercise stuff. I keep saying I'm going to stretch more. What are your go-toes for eating? Are you vegan? I'm not. No, I love all food. But I

tend to eat primarily focused on protein and fiber. Okay. So, you know, if I open my kitchen, I mean, if I open my refrigerator, you know, I'm looking at eggs and cottage cheese and different vegetables and different fruits. And if I open my pantry, I'm looking at walnuts and almonds and pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds and chia seeds and chickpeas and like my go-to snacks right now, I love my air fryer, and my go-to snacks right now are frying a bag of frozen okra. So I just dump a bag of frozen okra in the air friar.

Okay. I spray it with olive oil. I sprinkle salt pepper and nutritional yeast on it. And then I fry it for like 16 minutes at 400. You need to do a Instagram reel on this. And it's kind of like popcorn. What's okra like? What is it?

What is Okra take like? So Okra is, I mean, some people say that okra is like the most disgusting vegetable, but it's very good for you. It falls into like a broccoli kind of asparagus category. If you eat it, if you cook it wrong, it can be really slimy. And that's why people typically don't like okra. But it is really good for you. And I find it to be like popcorn.

And I do the same thing with chickpeas, like out of the can. Yum. Yeah. 16 minutes in the air fire. Yeah. That's it. 400. And you put natural yeast or nutritional yeast.

You can. Yeah. So if you do it that way, it won't come out slimy. It'll just be perfect. Yeah. It'll be perfect. That sounds good. Yeah.

And so, you know, like healthy snacks. Now, this isn't to say that I don't go to the movies and order popcorn or that I don't, you know, find a time to have some licorice or something, whatever. Like, I like stuff too, but I'm just aware of eating sugar or eating things that are, you know, full of not good nutrition. I'm going to get me some okra. Tell us about your podcast where everyone can go listen. It's called Desperately Devoted Podcasts. Yes. Well, it's iHeart media, but you can also, you know, listen to it, Spotify or Apple, wherever you get your podcast. And yeah, it's a rewatch podcast. But as I said, we're using it as a springboard to talk about things that are important to us in terms of being a human, being in relationships, parenting, whatever that is. Wherever the show's subject matter for that episode sort of leads us. And I'm doing it with my real life daughter, who is a screenwriter. And she's 27, almost 28. And then my daughter who was an actress who played my daughter on the show. And her name is

Andrea Bowen. And she is recently married and almost having her first child. And so it's the three of us. I really think, you know, there's a great girl, woman power chemistry. But we are from three different generations. You know, my daughter is the one that'll be using the word heteronormative quite a bit. What does that mean? You know, it's just like her generation. generation of people are focused on identity and got it and I didn't know that that was a word I've never heard that word and she went to Brown so she's I'm learning live she's pretty intellectual um but she's super cool and and very insightful and very well read and offers a lot of different takes on things and she's never seen the show before so she's watching it for the first time and then andri and I

were in it so we have we have our small amount of behind the scenes memories that we share But really, it's just three women hanging out talking about life. Before you go, you have to tell us your best tip for parenting. Because you've obviously raised a daughter who's smart. Thank you. You mentioned she went to Brown. Yeah, she's pretty incredible. Sounds adjusted.

Well, well adjusted. Yeah, what's the tips? Okay. I'll give you one that I remember that I think is conscious. And we were talking about food, so I think it applies to food. very early on I decided I did not I wanted to try to help raise a daughter that didn't have a problem with food like a like an association with food that leads to bad things and and so I I really consciously tried to never do the if then like if you do your homework you can have a piece of candy if you fall down you can have an ice cream I tried to I went the total opposite I would be like here's some M&Ms. Nothing happened. Do you know what I mean? Like and like let's have let's let's eat broccoli or let's have let's have pancakes for dinner. Like I try to disassociate

emotion from food and that paid off in a really big way. My my daughter's really healthy but she's not like too healthy. You know she just has a very good relationship with food and exercise and her own self image. That's great advice. It's a great tip. I literally use skittles like like money so I need to like work on that I'm all yeah if you stop I might think of giving you a skittles so I'm going to take that advice and apply it my other thing that she would tell you that stuck with her which I think is the only it's important because it stuck with her I used to tell her when she was in sort of like later grade school and early high school and when kids start to have massive stress about testing and judgment you know did I get an A

whatever and I used to tell her a test is only a reflection of what you knew that of what you were able to demonstrate that you knew in that hour it's not a reflection of your future success your future happiness what you might be capable of that is the window of information it's telling you and that's all it is it doesn't mean it's not important it doesn't mean that you should know like oh you got a d okay so what's been reflected to you to you is that in that hour, you were not able to communicate that you knew that information. And you can do with that what you want. Maybe you need to study that information more to get a better handle on it or whatever. But lots of children let it reflect on their personal value. Let it reflect

on their future capabilities. What happened to you? What do you mean what happened to me? Meaning like you just got a D and you were like, eh? My father was like, listen, the lower the letter is in the alphabet, the worst is It's good. No, I'm just kidding. I was the worst in school. I unfortunately did not feel enough pressure. You had enough Saturday schools. So that my daughter would say that that seemed to help her. That is that even in her adult life when like she gets doesn't, you know, get some job or whatever, that she's able to sort of compute that in a way that doesn't chip away at her personal value. She sounds fabulous. You'd love her. You'd love her. You'd you guys and she'd love you she'd love you and yeah we've covered a lot of ground next time you come

to l-a before we go can you recall i would love that yeah before we go can you just say to my daughter in your caroline voice something corline caroline um yes what what should i say what's her name zaza zaza yeah like za za za okay maybe you can tell her what should she tell her she's five tell her what you would tell you're five-year-old she's almost six well let's see oh my gosh. No, I'm so on the spot. Listen, she's not tuning in, right? We're going to have to play it. Then we're going to play it for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. Does she, does she do anything like, do you want me to say something like you should,

she should listen to her mom and her dad? Yeah, and also she should eat her eggs. Tell her. Okay. Okay. Zaza, I want to make sure that you eat your eggs and listen to your parents. We're going to show her the movie and then we're going to play that. Listen, if you're listening, you're so lucky. I would love to meet you when you're in L.A. Your mom is fabulous. You really are.

You've done it all. You have done it all. Where can everyone find your podcast, follow you on Instagram, watch your series, all the things? Okay, so on Instagram, I'm under official Terry Hatcher, and that's where you can see what I'm up to in life. And if you want to tune into my sandwich series where I talk about caregiving and making gourmet sandwiches. And my podcast is called Desperately Devoted, and it can be found on. Apple or Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Which recipe should they start with on your Instagram?

Oh, wow. The tuna melt was a very big hit. Ooh, I love a tuna melt. Closely followed by the egg sandwich for breakfast and then the meatball sub. Did you hear that sauce? I'll do all three of those. Yeah, that sounds good. I'm going to go look at it right now.

Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. It was so nice to meet you both. In Austin. I'm so happy to be in Austin.