The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - The Truth About Detoxing, Hidden Environmental Toxins, & Supporting Cell Longevity Ft. David Roberts & Dr. John Gildea Of Mara Labs

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

#945: Join us as we sit down with David Roberts & Dr. John Gildea – the scientists behind Mara Labs. After losing his wife to breast cancer, David founded Mara Labs on a mission to uncover what truly supports cellular detox, brain health, & longevity. Alongside him is Dr. Gildea, a molecular biologist with 60+ peer-reviewed studies & two decades of research on how targeted compounds protect cells, clear environmental toxins, optimize metabolism, & build resilience as we age. In this episode, they break down sulforaphane's anticancer potential, natural alternatives to GLP-1s, the truth about microplastics & hidden toxins, & what your detox protocol is likely missing.   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Mara Labs click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   This episode is sponsored by Mara Labs For the next week, Skinny Confidential listeners can get an exclusive 25% off at http://mara-labs.com/SKINNY using code SKINNY at checkout. This exclusive offer ends March 6th. After that, the discount will return to the standard 15% off. Produced by Dear Media

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Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Today we're sitting down with David Roberts and Dr. John Gildia, the founders of Mara Labs, and today we're talking about how to help the body clean house from the inside out and fight back against hidden environmental toxins like microplastics and other modern disruptors. David founded Maral Labs after his late wife was diagnosed with breast cancer, a personal journey that sent him deep into the science of molecules and natural compounds to figure out what actually supports cellular detox, brain health, and longevity. Joining him is Dr. John Godaia, he's the co-founder and chief science officer at Maralabs,

and together they're in creating this incredible company, which you're about to hear more about. So if you've ever wondered which supplements are actually worth the hype, how to protect your body from invisible stressors like microplastics, how to boost your metabolism without trendy quick fixes like GLP1s. This episode is packed with practical science-back insights you can actually use. With that, David and John, welcome to the skinny confidential him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. All right. In this episode, we're going to get into microplastics, GLP1s, invisible toxins, inflammation, poor sleep, hormone imbalance. and detoxing made simple.

Allergies as well now that we've... Oh, no, he loves to talk about allergies. Yeah. He loves it. So where should we start with you, too? I feel like we're going to cover a lot of ground in here. We typically just jump into it and go topic by topic. But I guess to start, just to get a brief background on both you,

maybe just a brief introduction on both of you, and then we'll dive right in. Yeah. So my background's in public health and biomedical engineering and basically have been in supplements for the last 13 years. My late wife, Morra, got breast cancer, and so was sort of catapulted into learning about supplements, and specifically for cancer, she wanted to trade it integratively, and that's how I met John.

The first week she was diagnosed, and we've been fast friends ever since. John's wife had breast cancer, and that he helped her treat successfully, and she's a survivor, and he was in a kind of a famous cancer lab and knows not only everything about cancer, but everything about natural products in cancer. So you both have had wives that have had breast cancer. Correct.

Wow. That is not a fun club to be a part of. I'm very sorry to hear that. When you guys connected, what was the conversation like behind the scenes? So, yeah, I mean, basically I would, so I have a lot. background sciences so I would read about different supplements and cancer and I'm always like John what do you know about this is this true it's not true that's actually how we you know found out about the I found out about the good molecule and broccoli

called sulfophorphane that basically John actually grew more as cancer cells in in our lab and we put 60 different supplements on them to see what killed her type of cancer. And the sulfurophane was number three in killing her type of cancer. So went out to buy it, couldn't find it because it didn't exist because all the broccoli supplements on the market are the precursor molecule called glucoraphenin. And so it was like, you know, we ended up just growing a lot of broccoli sprouts for years. And at the time, I had a one and three-year-old boys. And, you know, so you're caring for them.

We were growing, like, enough broccoli sprouts for, like, the joke. It's, like, 10 families because it was, like, an operation. We were juicing them every day. And I'm, like, you know, if in the summer, sometimes they get moldy, sometimes if you're traveling, you can't take them with you. So, kind of John and I were at lunch, and I was, like, kind of matter of factually, I was like, it'd be really nice if there is a stable form of this. So that's the issues.

If you basically try to harness the sulfurophane, it degrades quickly. So how did you know John to take the cancer cell, put it under a microscope, and look to see what could fight it? I did that with my wife's cells when this is all 10 years shifted. So probably my background that would help is I have been in a lab forever. So my whole life, the last 35 years. And so it'll let me out very often. So this is a nice break for me. I just kidding.

But so I have a really broad background. I did before my PhD. I did germorphic testing for the Army. I did retrovirus testing. So I'm an analytical chemist by training. And so I've been in a lot of different places developing tests. And so during my postdoc, I studied metastatic cancer. And then right when I would say it was the height of my scientific career,

you know, made national news in a couple of papers and things like that, found the first metastis suppressor for bladder cancer. And right at that time, my wife got cancer. And so I'm doing all this genetic manipulation things. And I had to step back and say, what can I really do to help my wife? You know, I don't have access to genetic modification of my wife, which he's probably pretty glad I don't have that. But so natural compounds were what I focused on and just went crazy, reading everything on it and matching the pathways they already knew. about cancer and and then came up with the idea to grow the actual cancer cells.

And so for the longest time, we did that trying to start a company. So I'm able to grab cancer cells from in a person's blood and put them in a culture dish and grow them. What kind of pushback do you guys get from the medical community when you come to them and you say that broccoli sprouts is something that helps fight cancer? Yeah, I mean, you know, the general training, for a doctor on attrition is like something like 30 minutes of their whole four-year medical school. And furthermore, they're kind of condition that supplements are the enemy. They're worthless.

And so, but, you know, sulfurophane was discovered up at Johns Hopkins, and they have a whole chemoproductive center there that's based around this molecule. And they have a broccoli sprout growing, used to actually. up until about five years ago, broccoli sprout growing, just operation for all this research. So there are 2,000 research papers on the molecule. So that one is a bit more, it's a bit more efficacious than a lot.

But yeah, by and large, people are like, you're crazy. You know, it's funny, we've done the show for a long time. And whenever we have doctors on and we talk about this, and many doctors that I guess would come on this show, discuss what you just said. They say, you know, you go to medical school, you go through, and you don't get a lot of nutritional background or training. And so this show has been labeled in the years if we, you know, if once in a while we get bad press, which is almost never. But it'll, some people say like, woo-woo. But I say, you know, like we have real doctors and medical experts come on and say some of

this medical training they get does not incorporate some of the things we're talking about from a nutritional supplemental standpoint. But it's just, you kind of jump into all the other things. And I would wonder, Dr. John, from your perspective, you know, we've had doctors write in and have problems when we have this discussion, but what you would say to your colleagues. Yeah, so the jump that everybody has is from, you know, the type of research that's out there. So if you have a cancer cell from a person, it holds on to its genetic status. And I think the toughest thing that people run into is that it's very difficult to get any kind of a clinical study done with a natural compound on something like that. So there isn't the placebo-controlled trial where a doctor is used to

looking to find out, yes, this is legit. And why is that hard to get done? There's no funding. Who's funding? Because it's natural. Because it's natural. There's no money in it. You mentioned something. You said that when you put the cancer cell under the microscope, it was number three. Correct. What was number one and two? The top two things that killed Mars cancer were vitamin C was number one and curcumin. So the good molecule from turmeric.

How come everyone can't put their cancer cell underneath a microscope and look what would cure it? I think that study's been done so many times. that you don't have to do it again. Like, when you take a cancer cell and you get the concentration of vitamin C above a certain level, you know, close to one millimeter, or it's really high, that cancer cell dies and a normal cell that's right next to it in the dish doesn't. It's like the most selective cancer killing molecule ever in history. It's just whether you can get that concentration to the cell.

that's the skinny of it is funny was that's amazing didn't even try um but the uh the the those molecules if you get it to a particular concentration it does activate the the pathway pathways that they're known to to activate so if you get it to that concentration it does that thing so from everything you've learned and everything you guys have discovered I think a lot of people are wondering, like, what are the main contributors to cancer? Are there, what are the life, the main life stuff? Is it genetic?

Is it, is it lifestyle? Is it what you're eating? Is it where you live? You know, like, there's, I think so many people are so scared of cancer because they don't quite know what, I mean, we have ideas, like, you know, like if you eat bad foods or, but are there certain things you guys have discovered that make somebody more, um, likely to get cancer compared to others?

I think it's pretty simple. I mean, you can look at it, the flip side, right? Instead of like what causes cancer, how do you just maintain your health? And I mean, I didn't come up with this saying, but I use it frequently as exercise is king, nutrition is queen, together you have a kingdom. And if you're exercising, you know, regularly, vigorously, some cardio, some high intensity interval training, some resistance, you know, training, and then you're eating well, then it's not, it's not,

it's not magic. You know, I do get asked like what, what's the top food you suggest avoiding? And, and I, but just without a, without a hesitation, it's high fructose corn syrup. So it's the corn that's genetically modified to receive Roundup, and that active ingredient in the round up is glyphosate, which is just awful. And basically all the genetically modified foods, corn, soy, canola, those have just very small trace amounts of the glyphosate in it. It's not much.

But because it's everywhere, it's in most, it's basically in every processed food, oh, it's one version of those, then you're just getting microdosed constantly. And that can build up and cause issues. What I found, too, by having someone on the podcast, is that glyphosicate, I always pronounce it. Yeah, glyphosate. It's on all oatmeal, too.

So that's a really tricky one because, you know, you think, oh, oatmeal, it's safe, it's healthy. I've found only one brand. I think it's called 1%. And it's the only oatmeal that I have found that's not sprayed with it. It's really scary because you've oatmeal cookies, oatmeal breakfast, oatmeal, everything. It's really wild. Yeah. And if you get organic, they by definition of organic can't spray.

We had a woman on here earlier before you guys came in that works with farmers and farmlands. You're saying the problem is sometimes the organic farm is next to a non-organic problem. The wind blows and then all of a sudden it's like- Oh my God. So it's just, you know, it's, again, like we talk about these things all the time. I think the general, the average consumer, the average person of society, it's really frustrating in scary because you are trying to do the thing and then you hear something like that and you're like, well, does this even all make a difference? And so I guess from both of your perspective,

what are things that people can do to make sure that they're not exposing themselves to these things? I think that at least the way I explain it to people, anybody that sits down in front of me, the cancer-causing duo is basically, I use the example of Bruce Ames, probably the most referenced scientist in history. He developed the Ames test, carcinogenicity test, so he can take compounds and say what causes genetic mutation from that. That's a carcinogen, changes your genome, basically. So he studied that his whole life and figured out, you know, all the carcinogens, and that's a great thing. We know a giant list of them, and they're swimming in everything, all the time. So they're everywhere. You think, okay, that's the cause of it. Well, this unbelievable

researcher, Bruce Ames, later in life, figured out that it was actually not only toxins, it's also nutrient deficiencies. So when you're missing a nutrient, the cells react exactly the same way. You're missing a piece of what's necessary for your machinery to work well. And so it's the combination. Toxins mess up the machinery directly. use up extra nutrients to buttress the cell. And then you get a nutrient deficiency. And both of them together cause genomic instability, which is the driving force for cancer.

When you both look back on your wife's journey, do you both think that you know the reason that they got their breast cancers, or is that too hard to diagnose? I mean, so you don't know, but I could guess. Take a guess. Yeah, so she was a night nurse. And so night nurses are known for getting breast cancer because of melatonin issues.

Oh my God. So you're not exposed to the sun like a normal person and your circadian rhythms off because you're awake. Yeah. Wow. I've never thought of that. Do you that in shift workers as well? Shift worker, yeah. With our company, we won't let, we will never have a night shift ever because of that.

Because it's so unhealthy. So you think that was one of the reasons? It's one of the reasons. you know, early on in, so the other, like another one is, if the breast is mashed, that's known to cause. I'm like checking my bra because the bra if the bra's too tight, because the lymphatic system isn't getting the circulation around the breast because it's too tight. Yeah.

So the baby would be against the chest? No, honey. No. So it could be bra. It could be like there's a study in England where women actually gut, crushed, their breast got crushed through an accident with the steering wheel. And like a good amount of them unknowingly had, like after they died, had breast cancer, like years later. But Mara actually had she had mastitis when she was breastfeeding and had me work on it to kind of get

it unplugged. And so there was some mashing there. And I think, I mean, John would agree with this. He talked about two things, but I think stress, stress is a huge cause of cancer. In fact, you know, typically you're not born with cancer, right? And so you have, it could be physical stress, it could be emotional stress, that play a part in expressing genes that would otherwise be hidden. But when you say that squishing the breast can cause breast cancer, my first thought goes to a mammogram. That's what a mammogram does.

And your smile, and a lot of people smile when I ask this question, it's almost, they give me a look like I'll tell you off air. No, I'll tell you right now. I mean, you know, we could tank the episode. But yeah, a great alternative to that. So basically, in mammogram, you're radiating, which causes cancer. You're crushing, which causes cancer, okay, just to get an image. You can get an image of your breast with an ultrasound. All you have to do is ask.

And most people don't know that they can ask. And I guarantee you they'll look at you like you have no idea. They have no idea what you're talking about. They already did. I asked. Oh, I mean, there's been a full, like, article on this show when we had somebody on who said this very thing. And she was incredible.

She's in the middle. So when they look at you like, you're crazy, what do you say? You say, no, I would like an ultrasound. I do not want a mammogram. And then they can keep it up and you keep it up and you win. So why do they continue to do mammograms if that's squishing the breast? From a doctor's perspective, how does, if you can say that from, I guess, a factual basis that we know these, not a mammogram, but from a squishing and a radiation could, like, why does it, why do we continue with those practices if another alternative exists that is effective? I mean, it's more the ultrasound is pricier.

And, you know, I think also like there is, you know, from a kind of a public health standpoint, there is a point where it, may make sense, even with the risks. But at a certain point, women could be in their 40s, or certainly in the 50s. It does not make sense to do that anymore from a cost-benefit. You get a benefit of the image, but there's a cost because of those two risks. Do you think it's a little bit like this is the way we've done it, so we're just going to keep doing it this way because this is the way we've done it? And they do those balancing studies where you, you know, risk versus prevention, you know, where you're, you're promoting it by those two mechanisms.

And a long time ago, I would say the data was much more clear because if you did 10 mammograms, then you cross that threshold. That's the general idea. And so for people that were really worried, they're doing it very often. And you cross that threshold, and then it increases your chance of breast cancer.

But I would say that the good news is that the amount of radiation going into a mammogram And the detectors have improved dramatically. And so now it's less. It's improving. You know, I don't know if you guys saw the newsaghty with James Vanderbuky passed today. And he's been battling cancer, a young guy. I didn't know that.

I saw that he passed it in a way. Terrible. And what some people were saying is that nowadays, they're starting to say for men recommending getting colonoscopies or looking earlier. And I don't know, this is a new subject for me, but from what you, If you've learned about cancer, do you agree with that? Do you think people should check earlier? Do you think...

Or should they do an ultrasound? Lawrence of the mind sometimes, like, oh, could that cause things? And I think, again, this is a topic that comes up all the time in private conversations, even on the show. People are worried. It just seems like if something's dormant and you go and disrupt it and you move it around and you move it and you manipulate it. That doesn't seem... It seems like hitting a bees nest.

Yeah, I mean, if you don't want a colonoscopy, there are other ways to go about, figure out if you have colon cancer. You can have your feces examined now, and that's highly, highly accurate. You can do a blood test now as well. The function, function health, blood tests, they have a cancer option. We've had Dr. Mark on this show. Dr. John, when you look back at your wife's journey, was there things that you think caused her breast cancer? The thing that comes to mind for me is that there were quite a few things in her life that were very stressful, including me. And so I take self-awareness.

Yeah, I'd take a little bit of credit there. But I would say that when you're talking about all those things that you have to keep in mind in order to avoid it, that wasn't on her mind. And so she taught it up prep school and ate the food that they produced for the whole time before she had cancer. So that was 15 years or so, 17 years of, you know, that type of food where she didn't get to make a choice about her food choices. And then stress on top of that being a very go-getter type person. And she was top of her class and always go, go, go. There's a teacher as well, super stressful. So I definitely agree with the stress component.

And I think the connection to stress, a lot of people don't realize is how much downstream effect that has. Like stress releases cortisol, one of the many stress hormones. But then that raises blood glucose. so then your blood glucose ends up being a toxin. So your blood glucose being high causes these things called advanced glycation end products. And so you're doing the same thing that radiation would do. It's randomly damaging things. And so that's why you want your insulin low.

You want your blood glucose low. And especially at night before you go to bed. Because if you eat right before you go to bed, your blood glucose will go high. Melatonin turns off your insulin. And that high blood glucose just sits in your blood all night, glycating. So it's another reason you don't want to eat close to bedtime. Right. Or if you do take, I mean, because sometimes you can't help it, right?

That's why we have a berberine product that specifically we're like take two at night because so it deals with in case you eat late. But berberin is also great for sleep. There's a paper how berbering outperforms Valium as a sleep aid. Wow. I also have heard that burbine, how do you? Burberine. Burbrain has similarities to a GLP1. Yeah.

The social media loves to say Burberian is nature's ozimic, which I guess it depends on the day whether we agree with that or not. But today I'd say, yeah, sure, we'll agree with it. How is it nature's ozimic? Yeah, and so. Yeah, me too. So this one, without getting too technical, is Burbrane is known to induce GLP1, which is, the hormone that does the satiety piece for, for, you know, blocking your eating. So it slows down digestion slightly. So berberin, the easy way to understand what berberine is it's a,

it's a fasting mimic. And so when you fast, DLP one goes up. Same with taking burbrine, they're kind of, you can look at them the same way. I'm not sure if you've ever done this, But when you fast for a while, you stop getting hungry. That's part of that natural process where you just stop wanting to eat. And the whole business behind the drug versions of that, they're fantastic for people that are very much overweight and need to lose a lot of weight. You know, we would never go against, you know, a person's choice to do that. But when you do that, a very large percentage of people have digestive problems. And a lot of that comes from gastroporosis, which is the slowing of the emptying of your stomach.

So you feel full because you eat and it just sits there. And then it slows down your gut motility as well. So the moving of food along your elementary canal changes as well. And the reason why it does it so strongly is because it's a drug. it goes to your brain basically and initiates all of those downstream effects. And I often call it a hammer. So if your endocrine system is kind of like an orchestra or a piano, you want to play a beautiful piece where there's a lot of strings being played

and there's resonance and they're readjusting with each other. And often when you intercede with something that's like a GLP1 agonist that stays on, it goes on, stays on forever. It's like playing the piano with a hammer. And so it's not pretty. It gets the job done. It does what it's supposed to do, but it's not how you're supposed to be interacting with your endocrine system. So for the average person that maybe just wants to lose a little bit of weight or tighten up, instead of jump into that, you could jump into something like this and achieve some of the same effects that that drug is in, but without going straight to the brain

and taking to your words a hammer to it. You could go, you could take a more natural approach to that same kind of GLP1 production. Exactly, yeah. I mean, the other issue with the GOP1s, again, they work for a lot of people, but there's the muscle wasting side of it. And so, you know, one of our partners is an MD,

and he was like, guys, let's develop a GLP1 alternative, not necessarily as a substitute, but if people come off of a GOP1, because they get sick and they can't eat, or let's say they lose their insurance. And it's expensive, it's expensive, you know, having an option. And so we came up with one that has berberine for that reason, but it also has green tea extracts called EGG, and that turns off your hunger hormone, Grelin.

And so you have the same as satiety issue or effect as GOP-1s, but instead of maybe not being able to eat because you're, your gut is full, you're not hungry, so you don't have like the incessant snacking, but you can eat because your gut's emptied. And John, maybe you can touch about this about the mitostatin. Oh, so the biggest problem, a lot of people, at least health influencers have with GLP agonists is that they make you lose muscle weight. So that was the primary reason of how we formulated it.

was myostatin, a lot of people know what myostatin is by the fact that there's these cows or dogs that look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, they're just super muscular. That's a myostatin knockout. And so it's the way that you, if you can inhibit myostatin in any way, you'll make it easier to put on muscle. And so one of the components in RGL Perfect is called EC, one of the subcomponent components of green tea. And it actually directly reduces the expression of myostatin. So there's that angle and then berberine itself increases a protein called folostatin, which it then inhibits, directly inhibits myostatin. I'm sold. I'm going to take two right now.

So the intention is that you could increase GLP1 production naturally, but also not trigger the massive muscle shedding. Not just not trigger it. You, it's protective. It's not my first meal. It says to take one with my first meal. Can I take one now? You can take two.

Take two now. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Interesting, guys. Jeez. So for somebody that is worried about losing muscle mass, they could take this and guard against that.

And then still achieve the GLP1 production that they're looking for. It's more like the piano concerto. where it's not a hammer. It's cycling like DLP 1 is supposed to. It's not like a heavy pill. It just goes down real quick. Easy.

So microplastics and invisible toxins. Are we living in the most toxic time ever or is this just what people are saying? Are we really swallowing a credit card a month? Yeah, that's a great question. Hopefully not, but some people certainly are. I mean, I'd say it's a pretty easy yes as far as being the most toxic.

You know, and it depends on where you live, right? If you're in the city, yeah, if, you know, your municipal water is shot filled with stuff. And then, you know, if you're in the country and you're on a well, maybe less. But, I mean, you know, microplastics are huge issue that are everywhere. We just touched on glyphosate, huge issue that's everywhere. And, you know, they, you know, are big, big problems. And so what do you guys think about in terms of guarding yourself or ridding yourself of these microplains? that we're exposed to on a daily basis?

Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, to just take a sight back, you know, what are microplastics? They're micron, kind of microscopic-sized plastic particles, even nano-sized, so even smaller, that can be in your, the liquid you drink, they can be in the food you eat, they can be in the air you breathe. In fact, most of our exposure comes through air. Oh, wow, I did not know that.

Yeah. And so, you know, so if you want to start thinking, okay, what are some things I can do to mitigate, to lessen microplastic exposure? First thing would be, you know, what do you, are you microwaving your foods in plastic? That heating of the food, that plastic can leach into the food. So frozen dinner, no, no. If you're, if you have a reheating your dinner, put it in a tupperware or a, um, a, um, a, um, a ceramic, put in metal, reheat it that way. It's easy. It takes a little bit more time, but you're not going to get the same. Do you know what I did? What? You don't even know this.

In my microwave, I have a note, a post-it that says don't even try it. Thinking about it. So anyone that opens that, because you're not opening that, it says, don't even try it. I'm not a big microwave guy. Good. I don't even try it. And our new house, I'm taking the microwave out of the house. Well, the question is like, you know, I think we, you know, we jumped into these easy, I think we've done that with a lot of different human technology. Sure. But to your point, you can achieve the same result, maybe not as quickly, but with the same effect in maybe a healthier way with other cooking methods.

And heating, yeah. But I mean, there are things like, do you know that like those shiny tea bags that are like the pyramids? Yep. So those are made of nylon. And those, just one tea bag, one drink can leach up to two billion. microplastics. This is why I use peak tea code skinny. I use my ginger peak tea. You just open it at the top and pour it in and then I also have their loose leaves right no you just it's like

it's all um squished up it doesn't say it doesn't sit in the it doesn't sit in the plastic. No you just pour it in and it's you're so right you really you have to be I think your own like investigator even in the baby bottles I was looking at my son's bottle it's glass but there's a plastic thing in it that he's drinking every day. And when that heats up, because we heat his bottle, I'm like, wait, that's heating up the plastic thing. So now I'm like, I told my nanny, I'm like, please just do at room temperature. And that's what Michael and I are going to do too, is room temperature. Because it's, you really just have to look at every little thing you're doing on a daily basis. Yeah. I mean, we just, another great example, we're at a hotel. And there's a

plastic water bottle next to the coffee maker, which has a plastic pod, which has paper cups, which is good, right? But those paper clubs are lined with plastic. And so just the simple idea of drinking a coffee, you're getting three different exposures. And then you put the straw in the hot coffee and you drink it out of the straw. I mean, it's on and on and on. Yeah. I think that you do have to take a self-inventory, though you can't expect other people to do it for you, because clearly that's not happening. You have to just look at your own habits. So this topic is obviously becoming more prominent and I think more it's being received now in a different way. But, you know, when we started kind of having people on and talking about these subjects four or five, six years ago,

you catch a lot of flack. Are you guys starting to see people in, I guess, the medical community, scientific community be more open to this perspective? Because I would just tell you, like, you know, we've, when I say when I'm joking about press, like, I would say even the mainstream media, sometimes when you say things like this, you get these kind of like, woo-woo. Bad articles or bad headlines saying like, oh, you're fear-mongering or you know, this or that, or woo-woo, no science. And so I wonder how you guys respond to that now as this conversation has become more prominent.

Yeah. And from my perspective, when you pull all those pieces together and then knowing what it, how it works inside your body, I'm pretty confident I could scare just about anybody about. them being inside your body and pretty convincingly even though it's a new new subject so the way I usually start talking about this is that you know a long time ago everything started being made from plastic right and they said it would last forever and then now we know it doesn't like anybody that has put some plastic outside you see it degrades so the plasticizers that are in the

plastic used to be thought of that's what the bad stuff is There's endocrine disruptors in there and all kinds of things like that. But as those plasticizers that make the plastic soft leaf, they become brittle. So anything, wind, abrasion, time, they become smaller and smaller, and to the point where the whole crust of the earth is covered with microplastics. And so you stir that up, breathe it in, gets in your food, gets in your water. It's sort of everywhere. So you have to do something.

related to that to decrease your burden. And so a good way to start that is where's the first one, the highest dose that's coming around. If you're outside, it's not that high. If you're indoors, the indoor microplastics is the biggest problem. So getting a hepar filter in your air, especially where you sleep is the most important thing. It should be the first thing you do. And then, and then your water, what's the best water? Water is, you know, RL water has no microplastics in it at all. And so you just think about reverse osmosis filter. I like one of those.

What's the best brand? There are a number of good one. I would just, I would source one off. You never reverse osmosis filter on the house, learned. We do? Do you even know that? No. Man, that's good.

You brand do you have? I don't know. It's one of those big, it's like out on the, we did the whole thing. We did? Wow. Yeah. Okay. Fantastic.

I want one. Well, so again, we get to, we have the privilege of talking to people like yourself. And I, and I feel like we take little chunks. So we had a person who builds air filters, they Mike. Yeah. But you know, Mike from Jasper, so he's been on and we talk, we have a guy that does nothing but test homes. And he tests the air and the air filters. We have, you know, the water guy, like the paint, like even non-toxic paints. And so you kind of pick up these things along the way. And the way that I look at it now, because I was a skeptic for sure. Like I grew up in the typical 90s household with all of the, the clean. windex for breakfast. Yeah, they basically got sprayed in the face of Windex before school. Tied for lunch. But frozen dinners in the back of late. TV dinner.

Over time, you start to look at these things and you're like, okay, I have not been able to see the downside in making these swaps. It's like, yeah, what's the harm in having a grade air filter? Why would you not want to clean your vents? But don't you notice that your nervous system is more relaxed since making the swaps? You have to admit it. Of course. I mean, even the cleaning supplies in our house now, we use this company called Branch Basics. and you know, things like that.

Every idea he just said is my idea that I've manipulated him to. Sure, but it's, that's the beauty of it, right? But it's, it's come from, and what I tell people is it's not like, I'm not scared of the air and I'm not scared of living, but it's this cumulative effect. So I said, if you can remove all of these things and slowly start to add in better alternatives, the way I think about it is like,

you're just at such a greater advantage than someone who's maybe not doing those things. Absolutely. Yeah, and I think it's, you know, You look at just, again, public health, the puberty age of girls has gone down. You know, they're a lot younger. And for boys, they're older. And it has to do with the fact that people have these microplastics. You can't get rid of them historically.

And, you know, the microplastics aren't inert. They're like sponges. So they have toxins in the microplastics. And it could be like the plasticizers and probably a lot of them are. They could be metals. And so, you know, let's say you're backed up with these microplastics and the sponge has some of these estrogen mimicking compounds. I mean, it's not rocket science that if, you know, if, you know,

if you have all these estrogen mimicking compounds, a lot of them in your body, that it's sending signals, hey, it's time for puberty, when it's not actually. And I look at it, the hormones are signaling compounds, estrogens is signaling compound. It's like you're watching two TV shows on top of each other. You can kind of see maybe what the TV show is.

You can recognize some characters. You're not going to know what the plot is. You're not going to be able to understand it. And so it's similar if when you have a body that's filled with microplastics, that's leant, you know, some of these BPAs or estrogen membrane compounds are leaching out, that there's this disruption. I mean, and women even can be with irregular menstrual cycles. You know, it's another issue.

Do you think over time future generations will adapt to these microplastics and that our bodies will be able to deal with them? No. Or do you think over it's just going to go? No, because, I mean, that what happens? happens is basically you ingest them, they get through your gut lining, they get engulfed in this, it's the garbage disposal of the cell called a lysosome. And the lysosomes are great at degrading stuff, just not plastics because they weren't

designed to degrade plastics. And so you get these buildup of these lysosomes with microplastics in it. And so that was why, like, that last, about a year ago, we were talking about because our sulfur from products so good about detox we're like I wonder if it's it would work with microplastics and so before we could do anything this guy's researcher in the Midwest we read about it a couple months later in June he did a study and he showed that basically taking our form of sulfurophane basically mobilized the microplastics in his blood and so he I think there's only one

microplastics blood test. It's Brian Johnson's test. And he did that test and they said it was the highest blood microplastics level that they had ever measured up to that time. And then, you know, a day later, you know, he did it in stages a day later. Brian did. This research. The test. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the guy who did the research. And so, you know, it's being able to mobilize the microplastics is the first step to getting them out. And so when you mobilize, this may sound like a very dumb question, where do they mobilize to and how do they come out? So that series of events is not to get into the weeds of how it does it, but basically sulfurophane turns on a switch. It's known to be this thing called mucalyptin that makes the lysosome fuse with the membrane of the cell, and then it just dumps its whole contents out inside of the cell.

So the only way to move that then is lymphatics. So you can imagine what then gets that out of, you know, the tissue and into the circulation. And so from there it's still a mystery where it leaves in urine, feces or skin. And so that's still unknown. Is there anything you can do to support getting microplastics out in a way that's, like, what's the most efficient way to get them out? So our Brock Elite product is, maybe not as well known about this, but it has stabilized sulfurophane in it, but also has

another compoundant called PEITC. It's the active ingredient in water crust. And so those two together are synergistic. And so they actually make a bigger punch than just sulfurane alone, even though that has a lot of punch. So we think that it's that combination that is actually mobilizing that plastic and getting it out of the cells. So that's the first step. And then, And then I usually talk about you want to do a one-two punch for the cell itself before you get into the, to the how you rid it from your body. The second one is resveratrol. So we have a really high bioavailable resveratrol.

And the analogy there is that it's like upgrading your sewage system. It's like making bigger pipes, it's making a bigger toilet, maybe a professional flush kind of thing. So sulfurphane gets it out of the cell and because it's it's a moving system, it's accumulating there, especially as you get older because those lysosomes aren't as prominent. So you have to do both. You have to make more lysosomes. You have to make them bigger and stronger and you have to move them more.

So when a cell gobbles up a microplastic, you want better place. plumbing to get rid of it, to get rid of everything else. Because when you plug it up with a microplastic, all these things that it's very easy to scare someone, but basically misfolded proteins that are normally degraded by that are stopped. And so Alzheimer's is a misfolded protein problem. And even worse than that, these misfolded proteins instead of going into the lysosome and getting degraded, is shuttled out another system called exosomes. And so those misfolded proteins are being shed out in a way that they can infect transfects

other cells. So it's a really bad problem. And so the one-two punch of visveratrol and so for phoraphane gets it mobilized. And then- So if we were, if for us personally and for our audience, viewers and listeners, if we were to you and say, okay, we want to do this detox protocol with your products, what is the timeline and I guess what you guys would advise us to do. If I came to, it's okay, I'm ready to start this. Is this a thing you take for a couple weeks, a couple months, is it a couple days? And

what will we notice and how are we going to set ourselves up for the most success if we wanted to do this detox? And then second part of that, and this is just a caveat is, is there any downside for just doing this even if you, just like, just for anyone to do it? Like, you just jump in and even if you weren't worried about heavy metals? Yeah, I mean, so the first step would be mitigation. So you actually, you have to decrease your exposure, right? Because what John said, if you're bringing in more than you're excreeding, then you're still behind. And so drink your water, get your air filter.

Those, you know, those will be two steps. Clean up your lifestyle. Clean up your lifestyle. Yeah, and then you have clean food. And then, you know, take the broccoli, the reservoir elite, do lymphatic drain it. You could just do a rebounder. You could just walk. I have a dry brush.

He asked me what my weird device is that I just got in. I shake on a vibrating plate every morning. Vibrating plates. Power plate. Oh, my God. Just listen to your wife. Okay, so if I'm taking your product, what's the protocol to get started?

Yeah, and so protocol would be lifestyle, clean up your lifestyle. Well, then you can just, you know, we haven't honed in on the exact measurement, but like this guy took, I think 100 milligrams. Our daily dose suggested is 10. It was like that, you know, that would probably do it. So two capsules a day of the broccoli, two capsules a day of the reservoir elite would be, you could do that for a week. And you'd have, be well on your way. again. And what would you feel once you do, I'm sure you guys have done it? What do you kind of notice?

I mean, I haven't sat and been like, oh, you know, I have less estrogen mimics in my body. So there's no like, there's no, you don't get like sick or feel like you're. No, it's the beauty of the sulforphane is actually works in all three phases of detox. So basically the detox flu that you get when you get sick is, and this is most, of the detox programs are just heavy. They're just pulling the, like putting the pedal on the metal to phase one. And so you're mobilizing all these toxins, but you can't get them out of your body. And so it's, yeah, you get sick. And so broccoli, actually, the sulfurophane, it actually slows that first phase of detox. And it's the best phase two more detox fire of any natural

compound. So it speeds that up. And then step three is excretion. Is there side effects of taking this? Do you, you? He wants to know if he's going to shit his pants. No, no, no. I just want to know, like, as you're going, you know, like, for example, like, if you, well, I always want to know that, to be honest. But if, I'm just asking, like, is there, is there, can you overdo it? Yeah.

So yes and no. No, you can't. It's not like if you take too many Advil, it's going to, and that, in fact, it's, it's, it's, they're protective on of your kidneys. Right. And so that, so that you can't overdose that way, um, about 10% of people who take it, especially early on. can have a little nausea so that's why we suggest taking it with food.

I think that there may be some issues, you know, with your microbiome shifting and die off of bad bacteria. So. Okay, the reason I asked is we were talking about gLP ones and those things earlier and I think in some cases people can overdo these things. Oh yeah. Right? And that's why I just ask. Yeah, I mean our geopperfect, we used to be three capsules a day. We dropped it two after I did my blood sugar is typically under 100 and this one day it was

115. It took three capsules and just sat. I just sat and typed for two and a half hours. And I took it again and it was 70. And I'm like that's a lot. Like that's too, you know, unless you're keto adapted and can you use ketones as fuel, that that's enough so people could make me pass out. And so yeah, those like the geoporfect, you don't want to just keep taken because your blood glucose will drop. I feel like I've gone to Harvard in this conversation. Is that a good thing? Yeah. You know what's crazy is whenever I go to the farmer's market, I'm drawn to the microgreen booth.

Yes. And I always get the broccoli sprouts to put on my eggs. But if I go and I buy these sprouts, can I just shove it in my mouth or is enough to put it just on your eggs? Oh, yeah. So two of our capsules is the equivalent of five pounds of mature broccoli. Oh, my God. So you guys are packing it all in. Which it would, and then it's two and a half ounces of sprouts.

The guy who's behind the booth is always trying to tell me all the medicinal benefits, and I feel bad for him because everyone just walks by his booth, because they think it's just like little decoration, and it's too bad. I'm going to go to this guy. I want to post him or something. Microgreens are superfoods. So, yeah, superfoods. They're nutrient dense.

She just walks by the guy. I spend a lot of time talking. You do. You're the one. So think about eggs. You were talking about eggs in your morning. So that's, that's a single food that can raise a whole organism. So it has everything. It's very easy to think about that. So a seed is the same thing. It has everything in there to grow a plant. And so when you, when you, in the seed world, there's a lot of things in seeds that inhibit, you know, it from growing. You have to start it from growing. And that's why the issue with sprouting is that it inactivates. a lot of anti-nutrients in there. And so, but you have the same thing, a seed, like an egg or for kids, milk. It's a single food that can sustain all of life and growth.

It's for sure the most nutrient-dense food. Can you guys make a kids version so we can sneak it in? We have a kids version. In fact, you should have. Can I have the kids version? It's, you have it. Okay. I haven't seen it.

It's here in this office. It's here in this office. You know what? I always called it baby broccoli, but it's actually children's broccoli. It's children's. And so the issue is like John mentioned attaching the, adding the P-E-I-T-C from Watercress, and that's basically one plus one equals five. It's like a five times the effect. And so some adults can't take it. Some kids can't take it. And so we just have half that's amount of sulfurophane. It's much more gentle. And so that's the kid's version. I think there's sticky fingers going on

in this office. It may be. Because it's like, where's my, I want my, I want my, which Rosareva. Rizver Lee. Yeah, I want that and I have my GLP1 perfect. Or GLP. Yeah, GL perfect. I have that here. She comes home and starts explaining all these stuff, but she pronounces it in the ways.

And I, so I get lost. She's like, why didn't she listen? But then you admit on the show in front of everyone. You are like, oh, she was right. The vibrating plate, she was right. The dry brush, she was right. The microgreens at the farmers market. But what I realized about her is that she's just way more open to these conversations earlier

earlier than most people. What we find doing this show, especially like family members, is there's a lot, even to this day, there's a lot of resistance around a lot of these subjects. Sure. I mean, it took me 20 years to convince my dad that Diet Coke was in fact not very good for him. He still, he's a metric.

We have two doctors, though, sitting here telling you he's a cancer expert saying that this specific thing. I just play a doctor on TV. I'm not actually sure. Listen, obviously, you know, you don't want to have too much fruit juice in the morning with the sugar.

But my dad would sit there and tell me for years that organic orange juice was worse for me than Diet Coke. And we had to, and listen, he's now backed off. But I think like a lot of that generation comes from, you know, they're like, well, we've had these cleaning supplies, and we've had these plastics, and we've had these sugars and these chemicals, and it hasn't caused problems. But I think that's, that narrative's kind of breaking down a little bit now.

I have to say, since you mentioned micro grains in farmers markets, I told my boys, this was six years ago, that before they got a cell phone or a driver's license, they had to have a profitable business. And so they latched on to microgreens and started making microreins for restaurants in Charlottesville. That's a really good idea. What a great idea. Yeah. And so they had this thriving microgreens business for years. They retired it last summer. But settled the debate. Charging your phone. in the room.

Well, I'm EMF, so electromagnetic field sensitive. So the reason I have an aura ring is I can't do the watches because I can do them for a day. I can't do anything. And my rest hurts. I can't put the phone up to my temple. It hurts.

Like, now does that mean you get cancer? I mean, it's not good for you. That's for sure. And going back to the idea of cancer and stress, I'd say everyone's a little bit different as far as what stress. I clearly cannot take that stress. Did you see that thing?

Do you follow Paul Saladino at Oliver? I know who he is. So he just did this thing. He's not a big sulfur-fane fan. Well, regardless of that, he did this, he put this post up the other day that I guess the San Francisco 49ers have like the most injuries of any NFL team. But recently their stadium was moved next to some field where they have either cell towers or electromagnet. And he says that they're like, he's put a video out of it. And I'm butchering it.

But I guess from like torn ACLs or blowing. Achilles, like they are like 40% above the average of the entire NFL and they just move next to that. So we were saying like these things have an impact on our tendons, on our collagen and all these. And so he was basically trying to make the correlation. Like they do not fall into the average of what the other NFL teams do and their stadiums right next to one of these. I think you're going to see an influx of people that are using headphones with wires. Sure. And I also think you are going to see, mark my words, in the next two years, everyone is going to say charge your cell phone in the other room while you are sleeping.

I'm not saying across the room. I'm saying the other room. And we will be doing that in our new house. You can wear a cell phone helmet and be fine. You can also get like what's called a Faraday cage. So it can be like even a something you can put your cell phone in. And so it's the issue. It's not the issue.

My thing is like can we just leave it downstairs. Like do we need it? No, no. I put it across the room. Yeah, I think I'm going to take it out of the room. You can. Well, we. What?

Say it. Don't get in the middle of that one. Yeah, you can actually just wrap it in aluminum foil and it's fine. It will mitigate all of the electromagnetic. Have you ever seen Better Call Saul? I'm in the hat. The Breaking Bad prequel? I'm in the aluminum hat.

No. Oh, you should watch it because there's like the brother in Better Call Saul. He like is in a full tin foil like shootiest or Ritling. That's, that's, you're, well, you're going to be there in about a month. That's you. I just think we don't need the cell phone in the room. Put it downstairs. Yeah.

It's obsessive. You can do that. No. You were talking about stress. Even if I don't have to hear this, it's just by stress. Lucy and Desi Arnaz, I think that's his last name from.

I love Lucy. Had separate beds. We'll have separate bedrooms and you can have your cell phone in yours and I'll have mine be so zen and peaceful. With no EMF. I was saying if stress is the number one thing like this, you know. Yeah.

There's a lot of ways you can. I really enjoyed this conversation and I could have asked you guys a hundred more questions. So please come back on the show. you're both a plethora of information. You guys gave us a code and that is for the next week, you guys can get an exclusive 25% off at M-A-R-A-A-labs.com slash skinny. You can use code Skinny at checkout and the offer ends March 6. Yeah, so it's for a week and then after that just instead of 25% off. It's just a standard 15% off. Okay, so the highlight though is if you want to

manage your weight and your muscle and detox heavy metals and microplastics. We can do it all with you. We're going to feel good. With the broccoli, sulfurane. It's great for skin as well. Super great for skin. Super great. I would be bald if it weren't for broccoli because it downregulates the dh t, which is the bad

form of testosterone, at least balding. Wait, so we could have led with that. So this can also protect your hair and your hair growth. Oh my God. Get your sticky paws out of my stuff. hair and it's great for super great for skin. I mean, we are actually, we have a number of testimonials from not necessarily men, but women in their 70s who are like the old ladies who've lost their hair and they comes back and they're like, we love you so much. You know, Michael, while you've been over

at the pastrami sandwich booth at the farmer's market and I've been talking to the guy with the microgreens and he's been saying, why can't I get anyone to come to my booth? He should have a line at his booth because micro greens are it. I thought you say he should put his booth next to the pastrami sandwich. I was like, yeah, baby. Oh, man. You can detox.

That's a good combo. Yeah, he detoxed the proserami. I hate to say it. I told you so. Listen, what do I know about health and wellness? But as a marketer and as someone building a business, that guy should go next to the thing that you could put the thing on because yes.

The problem with just standing there with a bunch of micro greens is like, okay, but if we're standing next to someone's like, hey, you could put this on this great sandwich or this great treat you're going to. together. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. What do I know? I'm just going to take my Mara Labs five pounds of broccoli. That's right. Five pounds. And two capsules, yes. The equivalent of.

Geez. I'm going to start the protocol and report back. Awesome. Thank you. For sure. Don't take mine. Thank you guys. Thank you. Right. Thanks so much for having us. It's been great. Yeah. Thank you.