The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - The Truth About Lymphatic Drainage, Body Contouring, & Celebrity Massage With Josie Rushing

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

#851: Join Lauryn as she sits down with Josie Rushing – Founder of Brazilicious Brazilian Beauty Spa & a self-made, award-winning Brazilian celebrity massage therapist to the stars gracing the red carpet. Renowned for creating the iconic Brazilian Lymphatic Drainage Massage technique, Josie blends traditional Brazilian methods with modern aesthetics to promote detoxification, reduce inflammation, & contour the body. In this episode, Josie breaks down the critical role of lymphatic function in overall wellness, debunks common misconceptions, highlights the immune-boosting benefits, & explains why lymphatic drainage is essential for both pre & post-surgical recovery, including plastic surgery. Plus, get a look into how to use The Skinny Confidential Butter Brush to do your own lymphatic drainage at home!   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Josie Rushing click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   To learn more about Brazilian Lymphatic Drainage Massage visit braziliciousbeautyspa.com and use code SKINNY for 10% off. To Shop The Skinny Confidential Butter Brush visit shopskinnyconfidential.com.   This episode is sponsored by BUMPSUIT   To Shop the Lauryn Bosstick x Bumpsuit Collection visit bit.ly/BUMPSUITXLB and use code SKINNY for 15% off for a limited time.    This episode is sponsored by Taylor Farms   Visit taylorfarms.com to learn more.   This episode is sponsored by Smalls Cat Food   For a limited time only, get 35% off plus an additional 50% off your first order when you head to Smalls.com and use code SKINNY50.    This episode is sponsored by Fatty15   Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to fatty15.com/SKINNY and using code SKINNY at checkout.   This episode is sponsored by Ritual   Get 25% off your first month at ritual.com/SKINNY. Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. The queen of Brazilian lymphatic massage is gracing us with her presence. Josie Rushing. She's a self-made seven-time award-winning Brazilian celebrity massage therapist. She's one of the biggest names behind the Brazilian lymphatic massage in the world, and she's personally seen herself thousands of clients. I am one of them. She actually has a Brazilian spa in Austin, and I go see her all the time.

She has changed the game. In this episode, I ask her every last speck of a question that you can imagine about lymphatic drainage. I really like it because what I notice is when I go to her, I'll walk in like bloated or with water in my legs or stomach and I'll walk out just feeling light as a feather. It's such a good massage to get if you have an event or you're gonna be in a bikini.

But honestly, I've done it my whole pregnancy and it makes me just feel really great. It's so amazing for your immune system. And she knows so much about this specific kind of massage that I wanted to have her on the podcast. Josie, welcome to the Him and Her Show. This is the skinny confidential Him and Her. The queen of lymphatic therapy on the podcast.

Not only is she the queen of lymphatic therapy, you guys, she also is the queen of Brazilian lymphatic, which is a very special technique that we're going to get into. I have had the pleasure of getting to know Josie because she works on almost every inch of my body and she's helped me in so many different instances. And after talking with her through all of these hour sessions, I was like, you have to come on the podcast to share all of your knowledge with the audience. And we kicked Michael off. Right. I feel sorry though, because he was wanting to have a Brazilian lymphatic. Did you hear that?

He's trying to book with Josie in the hallway. He wants a Brazilian lymphatic drainage massage. And he's so excited about it. But I kicked him off because I just wanted to ask you all the questions without him in here. Yeah, that's nice. Thanks for having me by the way. It's a pleasure to be here.

You're welcome. So first, just to get the lay of the land, explain the difference between Brazilian lymphatic and American or other maybe French lymphatic. What's the differences? Yeah, that's a great question because people usually they know just the lymphatic. Brazilian lymphatic as the name says, is so famous in Brazil for so many years.

But actually the regular lymphatic was created about a hundred years ago by Dr. Vodder and his wife as well. But they were not actually worried about what we might be worried now. We're talking about like plastic surgeries, we're talking about a different lifestyle that we are currently living. People are worried about their shape, their contouring after a surgery, during like postpartum as well. 100 years ago, Dr. Votter was not worried

about any of this. That was more of a internal thing, let's say this way. So the idea of the Brazilian Lymphatic is that we are able to help our clients from the inside out as a regular lymphatic, American one or French or any way that you'd like to call it. But also we are able to help them on the outside, cosmetic wise. So it's a combination that will give more results to the clients thinking thinking about their cosmetic side as well, and thinking about this new lifestyle that we are living.

So you get the wellness benefits, but you also get the shape that you want. I've seen some incredible transformations that you've done, but also on my own body, you literally lose like 10 pounds of fluid. You can. Our lymphatic system holds about four to five pounds of wastes. That's it.

So people sometimes they think that they are overweight, but actually it's not overweight. It could be water retention. So a lymphatic, for example, one hour of Brazilian lymphatic can help to reduce about 90% of waste and lymphatic fluid that we have in our body. We're talking about one hour only of about four or five pounds, for example. So, yeah, Brazilian lymphatic helps from the inside out, but also helps with so many other things as far as cosmetic wise. What I think too is so interesting about it is you're puffy and inflamed in places you never

would think. You've talked to me about this, the under armpits. If your armpits are really puffy, that's stagnant lymph. Some people are puffy in their vaginas, some people are puffy in their ankles, and lymphatic really helps that. Those are like the places that are blocked, right? Absolutely. So we have the superficial lymph nodes everywhere in our body, node everywhere, majority of some places, including specifically the left auxiliary that we call here on the armpit.

And if it is puff, you might have some sort of issues, especially wellness-wise. You can be feeling fatigue or even acne. Acne can come with problems related to your lymphatic system. Lots and lots of other problems, emotional issues as well. Depression, fatigue, or even anxiety. All of these can be helped by doing Brazilian lymphatic. So it's so important that we talk about all of this

because people sometimes they don't know, they want to treat the outside and they just forget the inside. And with Brazilian lymphatic, we can help everything from the inside and also the outside. Talk to the audience about how fucking crazy it would be to get plastic surgery or any surgery

without doing lymphatic. It's like making a sandwich without the bread. I know it's so important. And before the surgery, liposuction, tummy tuck, breast augmentation, face leaf, whatever aesthetic surgery that you're gonna get, you have to have lymphatic before the surgery to get your body ready for that surgery.

It's a trauma that you're going to endure. So you need to have some sort of preparation so your body is ready, your immune system is ready, your body's clean to get that invasive treatment because I don't know if you guys ever watched how a tummy tuck is done, how a liposuction is done. It's like a lot of trauma to the body. And then right after the surgery, whatever you're going to do, we also have to have lymphatic

to avoid scar tissue, to avoid like to speed up your recovery, for example. And maintain after you are done, make four mops out of your surgery, just maintain at least once a week having a Brazilian lymphatic, which I know could be crazy for people. Like I can't have lymphatic every week, but actually that's what is needed for our body. And in Brazil, that's very normal, you told me. Two, three times a week.

Oh my God. I've had my first lymphatic when I was 12 years old. I just turned 40. I remember like it was like yesterday, I was 12 years old. I just turned 40. I remember like it was like yesterday, I was laying down in my mom's bed. This lady went there and she was massaging my mom and also she massaged me when I was 12 years old. Because like I said, it's a wellness thing.

It helps with so many benefits for our health, but also for the cosmetic side. Cellulite, for example, it's one so many benefits for our health, but also for the cosmetic side. Cellulite, for example, it's one of the benefits. We have a study done with people, like women were doing Brazilian lymphatic for a month, twice a week, and they got their cellulite reduced in 58%. So it does help overall. Plus you, besides the cosmetic benefits, we have also the wellness one in general, your health, immune system, cortisol levels. There are so many benefits that I could literally be here like all day long just talking about

it. When the internet was helping me name my first baby. They were giving names. They said I should name my first born lymphatic. Oh no. Because I was obsessed with the lymphatic system. Yes, yes, yes. Because I was so swollen from jaw surgery that I had to find all these different things to do.

And the thing that made the biggest difference was lymphatic drainage and facial manipulation. Yes, yes. People don't realize too, even in their face, it's why I launched with an ice roller first, like you have to move that fluid. Yes. If you don't move the fluid

and you don't do some kind of lymphatic practice or massage or manipulation, what happens? What happens to your body? Your body's gonna be heavy overall. First of all, like I said, we can have up to four or five pounds of just weights there, weights in our body. But also, you are not gonna be able to have that immune system or better, getting boosted, for example.

You are gonna be very swelling, feeling very heavy on your legs. After a day of work, for example, we all women, we are wearing our heels. So at the end of the day, we are tired because we need to help our body to do its work. It's not possible for our body the way that we live our life right now. So we have to think this, Laura.

Imagine like 100 years ago, like 50 years ago, we didn't have all these like cars and sitting on a computer or staying like all day long like over this, just on the same position without walking without like doing all these health things that a long time ago, it was normal for the society. So we kind of have to balance everything. The way that I like to say is that if people are actually able to balance everything that is not being good for them, that's what is the best thing to do. And Brazilian Lymphatic is the balancing,

let's say the system back, helping with so many other things in our body. So they're going to feel sluggish, they're gonna feel fatigued, they can feel very, very like heavy with water retention on their legs, on their arms. There are a lot of like outside body things that we can see that cause the like not working with your lymphatic system properly. I mean, I got a lymphatic massage by you yesterday and I walked in feeling so heavy, almost like I was wearing like a fat suit. Oh, come on.

I mean, I'm very, very pregnant. And it's so cool because you started on my left leg and immediately it felt light as a feather. Yes. But my other leg felt so heavy still. Yes. It is one of those things and why I personally like it that you see instant results.

Yes, and then it's so quick. In one hour we can get 90% of that fluid back to our lymphatic system using our hands only. There's nothing else we can do besides our home routines like the dry brushing or even the gua sha or something like that, ice rolling, for example. But with our hands, we are able to help so much our body. And with you, I started with the left leg for a reason.

So my technique, the Brazilian Lymphatic Massage by Josie Washing is proprietary, and I was studying every single detail, including starting on the left leg first. There's a reason why. Why, yeah, why, of course there's a reason. There's a reason why for that. So we do all of this because our lymphatic system

is not even in our body. So we start on the left leg to give more time to the other side to kind of like pair and balance. Same way that we do pressure points, for example. So we have our spleen that is part of our lymphatic system. There's no way that we can manually touch our spleen. So when I was creating my own technique, I was thinking, how can I get this spleen working better because it plays so much important role on our lymphatic

system and pressure point was the answer. So I do pressure points on the legs that will actively work on the spleen, for example, on my Brazilian lymphatic. So there are a lot of things that I do based on strokes, fascia release, pressure points, respiration, or even starting on the left leg that are important and will give more results to our clients. Do you think it's like crazy if someone says they don't get lymphatic?

Like you think that's- Oh my gosh, yes, totally. Do you know why? I feel that what I always tell people is like, just try once. That's all. I'm not trying to convince you that it's going to be good for you. I just feel that people, they have to try once because after that, I know for sure they are

going to become an ambassador of the Brazilian lymphatic. I was just here. I just got here to record this podcast and I was outside and I was talking to this lady outside from your front desk. Alex in HR. Yes, and she was like raving about it because she was scared at first. She was thinking that was going to be very painful and then she was like, no, it's not painful at all. It helped me this and that. And she started talking to this other lady that was right besides me. And then this other lady wanted to hear more. So that's all that I say, just try once

because I know the benefits are gonna totally change people's lives. I know that. A lot of people during or after surgery rather have gotten lymphatic and the lymphatic person tries to squeeze fluid. Have you heard of this? No, of course I did. It's called incisional drainage.

Yes, someone came on the podcast and talked about it. Talk about mistakes people are making. I don't want to watch that episode. I'm kidding. No, so you don't like incisional drainage? Not at all. Not in Brazil. We do not believe that. The thing is, like I said, when you have a surgery,

it's very traumatic for the body. So you are creating more edema, water retention, You do not believe that. The thing is like I said, when you have a surgery, it's very traumatic for the body. So you are creating more edema, water retention, your body's trying to recover from all the incisions and everything. So when you go there and you literally squeeze the fluids out of the incisions like incisional drainage does, you're actually not letting your body to recover, which

is the main goal of a Brazilian post-surgery lymphatic. So it's a big no-no. So what else are no-no's like that? What would you be like horrified to learn? I've seen a lot of sometimes when I'm scrolling on Instagram, I see people using a lot of pressure and like even sometimes giving bruises to people because they think that if they want to get those before and afters get very snatched and very like wooed like they need to feel pain and beauty is not pain not with Brazilian lymphatic. You can have beautiful results like snatched the stomach, snatched faces, recover with post with full surgery without any pain. It's

actually very relaxing. A lot of I think double chin and lower like fluid in the face can be easily fixed with it. Yeah. If someone, this is what I hear a lot, well how long does it last? Yeah. Personally this is the way I look at facial manipulation and lymphatic. Mm-hmm. I work out my body. I try to work out every single day. Sometimes I hit five days a week, whatever. You don't, if you, if you don't work out, if I stop working out for a month, I'm going to gain weight. So I think you look at your lymphatic and your facial massage like that.

For me, it's something I do every morning on myself. You guys have seen it on my stories. I'll go see someone like you. I'm traveling. I'll see someone at a hotel. It's something you really don't stop. What would you say to those people? Yeah, they have to do it. Your example is perfect. You just don't do your nails once in your life. Your eyebrow, your hair, your hair, like it's essential. Is essential. Our body is very, very smart.

So when we do the lymphatic, obviously our body is going to rebuild everything that we just try to get a read off. Otherwise we'd be dead. It's the same as our respiration. For example, if we stop, we stop breathing, for example, obviously we're going to be dead. So this is same as our respiration, for example. If we stop breathing, for example, obviously we're going to be dead. So it's the same thing with lymphatic system. Our lymphatic system is constantly working to get rid of all the bacteria, viruses, pathogens in general, waste, everything that is not good for us. Thank God we have a good immune system.

So if we were not having that immune system working, we wouldn't be here. So you have to constantly be working on it, like your nails, your brows, your hair, your gym. That was a perfect example. I think too, it's like what you just said with hair, you get your hair dyed, you have to go get it done in another three months or two months or whatever. It's kind of like an essential that you just keep doing. The immune benefits of lymphatic, you mentioned here and there. So when you get the lymphatic massage,

does it automatically activate your immune system? Absolutely, yeah. So immune system is part of our lymphatic system. So when we do that, we are able to help to cleanse our body. So this cleans meaning that getting better with bacterias, viruses, all pathogens, but not only if this specific health part, but also our emotional part. If we stop to think like when we have a Brazilian lymphatic, you can get 30% decreased cortisol levels, which means yes, one session only, which means we're talking about so many

good benefits, not only for the immune system, but also cosmetic, but also with our, for example, cortisol levels, which means like emotions, depression, anxiety, fatigue. So it's an overall treatment. I honestly don't know any manual treatment, work, massage or whatever that you have that has so many benefits like a Brazilian Lymphatic. It really is like it's magical. It is. You've mentioned emotional throughout. Have you had people start crying or break down when you're doing the lumbatic? That already happened before.

We, it's such a beautiful work. You know, like we, as I, I'm a licensed massage therapist. So being working with our hands and we are literally putting that client of ours on a very vulnerable position, right? So she's very vulnerable and she's kind of like letting us to work with her in so many levels. So they trust us.

They want to be there and giving us everything that they can. So yes, I've seen clients that have been my client for years and years, and they feel very emotional. They feel very confident that they are there as well. And it's just such a beautiful, you know, like work that we provide to our clients. It transcends anything that I can possibly and able to verbalize it. It's just magical.

I asked a lot of plastic surgeons this question, but I'm gonna ask it to you differently. I asked plastic surgeons, I'm like, when you go out to dinner with someone, are you looking at their face to be like, oh, she needs a little filler there. She needs a little Botox there. A lot of them say that, yes, like it's hard to shut it off. When you're out in the wild and the public, how do you know someone needs to get some lymphatic drainage massage stat? Like what are the signs where you're like, fuck?

Yeah, there are so many. It could be internal, obviously, but like on the outside, like I said, acne could be one of the things. Like, majority of chronic diseases that we have are problems with the lymphatic system flow. So that lymphatic system is not helping. We're talking about the autoimmune disorders, for example, that reflects on the outside of the body. So water retention could be one of the options. Anxiety, depending if I'm talking to the client or not.

Fatigue could be another one. So yeah, I kind of like we see like water retention on their extremities, cellulite also. You know when you see someone with really big eye bags? Yeah. Especially a lot of men have it. Yeah. A lot of like, almost like a basset hound.

Yes. I'm like, that person needs their lymphatic. People are like, oh, they're so tired. I'm like, no, no, no. They need some facial manipulation. Do you know what I'm talking about? Like a big bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like you said, that guys have that a lot. Not all, but majority of the problems that we have over here on their eyes, lack of circulation, lack of facial manipulation, fascia, so many things that we could help that client with. So yeah, we kind of see it. See it all. Yeah, we do. Celebrities, influencers, you've worked on everyone. I mean, it's all over your Instagram. Are celebrities getting so much plastic surgery that no one knows about and they're coming for lymphatic? Sometimes, yes. With the NEDA situation, obviously.

And not only because of a piece of paper, but in respect to them as a, like, yeah, as a human being, I want to make sure that they are also, have their privacy, but yeah, plastic surgeon is a big one. I travel, I go to California, I'm here in Austin, I'm in Nashville. So I have people coming to me because of surgery, but not only that, overall wellness as well. So I feel that they understand more and more how important it is, how important it is to detox from the inside out, to look good, red carpets also, like I always do Macala. Yeah. Yeah. So they want to look like

nice on red carpet. I saw you did Emma for the mat. Yeah, I always do that for the mat. Like it's been about, I think it's the fourth year that I'm going to work on her. Yeah. So I feel that is a mix of everything. They finally, people are understanding in general how important lymphatic is, and this makes me really happy because it's one of my missions here in America to bring all these good benefits that we have in my country, to kind of be the connection from Brazil to the United States as far as like beauty treatments, wellness treatments,

and everything that we have there. You get a very unique perspective of plastic surgery because you're working with people in their most vulnerable state after they've had plastic surgery and you're also someone who can see it up close. It's almost like you're a spray tan artist. I bet spray tan artists are saying, but you're like really seeing it. Yeah.

What are the things that people are doing behind the scenes that no one is talking about? As far as plastic surgery, and I think that now is trending a lot. The facelift. Yeah, we talked about this. Yeah, facelift and also- Young, right. Yeah, stay like just a little bit here and there. Also the silhouette one that gets the waistline,

you know, like a... Like BBL? No, for the waistline, it's the silhouette one that they get the waistline like... What's that one? Is that like a liposuction? No, they come here with this, like on their ribs. Okay.

And they do a little bit of work there to look like that they are more snatched. Hold on Is this the removal of ribs? Yeah, we can call that. Yeah, so they're removing ribs. Oh my gosh I'm saying it I've seen stuff behind the scenes with this. I've talked to people who have done it Yeah, they're removing one rib two ribs three ribs. No It depends if there's it's not like a real removal. There is a very specific surgery that they do to the appearance be a little bit more shaped on the waistline.

Like Jessica Rabbit, the cartoon. Yes. And so there's a lot of like sculpting, but not sculpting like people think with BBL. It's more like doing stuff to the ribs to create a silhouette. Yes, a silhouette, exactly. And so when people come to you after they've gotten a facelift, you can help the drainage happen better in the face. Yeah, that's really good because like not all, not everybody knows how to deal with facelift because the leaf nodes are damaged, could be damaged on that area because there

was a trauma there. So sometimes even plastic surgeons, and I do not judge them, they do, they not even want people to have lymphatic right after someone just had a facelift because I've seen a lot of people working maybe aggressively or to the wrong direction. Yes, the wrong direction over here, because we have to think that when someone has a facelift, if they come over here from this side, we have lymph nodes that are on this area here specifically,

but they are damaged because we've just had the trauma over there. So you cannot just overload damaged lymph nodes going to that direction. So that would be wrong. So that's what we call transverse lymphatic. So there is like a very specific, I don't want to go to specifics, I know, but I feel that people need to know that especially the reason why plastic insertions sometimes they don't want to, they are patients who have

lymphatic after a facelift. But yes, it's common. We do that. That's, I feel that's the trending one together with the, maybe the abs also. They're like kind of creating abs. So they sculpt the abs. Yeah. I sculpting the abs and- I think you're also seeing a lot of facelifts because there's a lot of use of semi-glutide. Yes.

And when people lose weight quickly, there's extra skin. Yes. That would be my opinion. Tummy tuck, tummy tuck. Tummy tuck too is very famous now because they are losing weight, they have extra skin, they have to get rid of that and then they are doing tummy tuck.

Regular one are transverse tummy tuck as well. So I see that a lot. If I ever got a tummy tuck. We already talked about that. But they already got a tummy tuck. I already told her like one million times. we're not going to talk to you anymore. If I ever got a tummy tuck though, I'm just saying I would get the one that lifts up, not down.

She doesn't need that. You don't need that, Lori. Please don't do that. If you do that, seriously, I'm not going to talk to you anymore. Don't text me, please. You don't need that. I promise you do not need that. There are alternatives right now, energized devices that you can talk to your doctor

that can help with little tiny extra skin that you have after a baby. Like what? Non-invasive ones, energized devices that you can use over here. I can't say brands, but you can help to thine that skin. Rate of frequency, medical grade that can help you combine with lymphatic. Will increase circulation, will increase all oxygenation, increase product production of

collagen. We can help with my vitamin E. There are so many things that you can do there. I know plastic surgeons are going to say she needs it. Like, no, you don't need it. You don't need it. I'm just saying if you are going to get a tummy tuck, my opinion, and please feel free to poke holes in this if there is some, is that you should get the tummy tuck pulled up not down. I see people getting it pulled down and I feel why you wouldn't pull it up. Do you know what I mean? Yes, not down. I see like people getting it pulled down and I feel, I don't get why you wouldn't pull it up.

Do you know what I mean? Yes, I do. Because you wanna lift up as you age. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't make sense to me to pull down. Yeah, there are two options actually. You know, like you can go up and down and I feel that each person is going to do

whatever the doctor feels based on what they needs are. I don't think everybody could do, could kind of choose what they are wanting to do whatever the doctor feels based on what they need, needs are. I don't think everybody could do, could kind of choose what they are wanting to do. It's more like a medical aspect of each person. But yeah, I agree. And I love the results of like tummy tuck in general, you know, like if done correctly, if you have extra skin, if you lost a lot of weight,

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everything up close, but what's unique about what you do is you're seeing how it heals. Yes. So not only are you just seeing it in the surgery room, you're seeing the process of the healing and then you see it After it's done because maybe they come back to you again. Yeah, what is stuff that you would advise women against? How often they are getting this so I see how often and when they should start sometimes we get opinions of plastic surgeons wanting to Just get their lymphatic like a month after they got their

surgery done. So like it's a big no-no. Now like they have to start right away. A fun fact is that in Brazil, some doctors actually allow us to do the lymphatic at the surgery center. I don't feel that this is ever going to happen here in America because of a lot of liabilities, but I feel that people should know that. So at first, when they are able to do a lymphatic, like right away after their tummy tuck, after their liposuction, breast

augmentation, facelift, like it's literally like next day, they have to be laying down on my massage table. It's funny that you say that and I haven't talked with the audience about this one, but I actually am going to have you or someone that works with you come to the hospital after I have a baby. Yeah, that's incredible. I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

I hope that they let you walk right in. Yeah, that's okay. We can try because I feel that, like I said, our lymphatic system doesn't stop. So why would we wait? It doesn't make any sense for us Brazilians are in my head. We shouldn't. There are so many things we could do. Taping, for example, for lymphatic taping, we can help with so many things after surgery. If it is like postpartum or if it is just a static surgery, they should have been doing

this like right away. And sometimes you get clients that come like, oh, my plastic surgeon said a month to come here a month later and they are full of scar tissue. But the scar tissue is really messed up. If you don't get that fixed with lymphatic. It's not a joke. That's I honestly think if I was like advising someone, what do I know? I would rather not get plastic surgery if you can't get lymphatic drainage. Yeah, I think it's a non-negotiable.

I'd rather just surpass the it's like you don't want to get a group on for plastic surgery. You don't want to get plastic surgery without lymphatic drainage after, because you will get scar tissue. Yes. When it comes to having a baby and I'm going to have you come to the hospital, why do you feel like that's so important for me? Because you've been talking about it with me. You think that like you think I need it right away.

Yes. First, we're going to help with your water retention. Obviously, you're going to be super swelling, lots and lots of edema. And also is we're going to help with your immune system. So getting back getting back to your natural shape, let's say this way, this way because your body is going to be so traumatic from so many things that you take more time to heal in order to do that. And now-

So what will you work on? Will you work on the whole body? Everywhere. We cannot, yeah, that's another huge red flag. If you guys ever go to have a lymphatic, a Brazilian lymphatic, whatever lymphatic that you're gonna get, they work only in one area of your body.

That's not just the face or just the body. It's a big no-no. But you don't work on my stomach when I'm pregnant, right? I've never seen you work on my stomach. No. Why is that? It's optional, it's not wrong. It's just my style, cause I feel that's very personal to the mom

and that connection that she has with the baby. So I feel that's a connection that you have to have and not someone from the outside. I get that. But I'm not saying that is wrong. Lots and lots of people are okay to do that. That will be beneficial with some lymphatic here. But I feel that I could just work on your flanks. I could work on the sides because I put you on when you're on the sides. And I work a lot about here. It's just not specific on the stomach because I feel that is very, it's a little moment

that you have with your baby. So you're going to come to the hospital after I give birth and then my plan is when I get out of the hospital, I'm doing belly binding. I've done this with all three of my kids. I swear by it. It's like there's this girl, her name is Princess. She's in LA She has a belly-binding company and she comes and she ties like a like a Beautiful material around your waist and what it does is it sort of helps your uterus go back

Yeah easier and what my theory is is that I get the lymphatic I get the the wrap and then after I take the wrap off, I would come back to you and have you do lymphatic. And I think those three things together, it's just going to make such a difference. Such a difference, such a difference for you. The way you feel, you're going to feel lighter, you're going to feel more energy, you're going to have all of the benefits from the inside out. And if you're able to do that, any person is able to do that, just do it because we'll completely change your recovery.

I would be crazy not to talk about your story. You have a wild story and you are a story of perseverance and discipline and showing up day after day. I think it's important for the audience to hear. Tell us how your childhood was like in Brazil and how you decided to come to America and bring this business here. And you've grown this massive community, which we're going to get into, but share sort of like the trajectory of that. Yeah, sure. So I'm from Brazil originally, as my accent tells. And I came to Austin at first with my ex-husband. Before I started this whole thing of helping people,

I was just raised as a regular, I would say like kid. I could say that I came from a very humble beginning. Here in America, you have the possibility and change and possibility to grow and opportunities that I might not have had in Brazil. In Brazil, I used to work with something that maybe that was not fulfilling me 100% after a lot of like, how do you say,

like a lot of our fight, I was able to create my own, I don't know, my own path of helping people. So yeah, I came from, I don't know, my own path of helping people. So yeah, I came from, I don't know, it's kind of like a little bit emotional just to remember everything that I had to go through to be here today and to be helping people. What were some of the things that you had to go through that, I mean, you have such an inspirational story.

Like, I feel it's just, what are some challenges that you had to overcome to be here? Well I'm from a very small city like 30,000 people and obviously my mom didn't have money to pay for private schools or anything so I used to work in the afternoon and go to school in the morning just to pay my own tuition so everything started there but since it was a very small city, I wanted something bigger, so I went to São Paulo, which is one of the biggest cities in Brazil.

And obviously, I also didn't have money to that, so I took a bus and I just put raw meat inside of my luggage because I was very worried of not having enough to eat because I was going by myself to Sao Paulo. And I just put everything and packed everything there, went to Sao Paulo and started to work and getting subway and just slowly. I remember that I used to stop Avenida Paulista,

which is a very, the finance center in Sao Paulo. Every time that I saw someone speaking in English, cause it was so amazing. And I was just stopped and I was looking like, like just to hear, oh my gosh, someone is speaking English here. Oh, this is so cool. And I'm, mom, I just saw someone speaking in English.

I need to learn that. So you were attracted to Americans. Yes, yes. I don't mean to... I'm just kidding. Her boyfriend is sitting here. He's smiling in your ear. I'm just kidding.

But yeah, I always... I mean, like, it was very tough. I have a lot of stories of the way that I was able to be able to grow this huge community that we have now. But I always like to focus on things that made me be here today. You've built a massive business. You have a high ticket item that you sell where you get to do courses and get access to you. But you also have brick and mortar and you have all of these incredible people that you've trained. What is the journey and the evolution of that been like? That's amazing because when I first got here, I started having to have my schedule.

First I started working on a spare bedroom of my apartment and I used to charge $35 per session. If you would have met me, I would have said, I know, I know. And then now it's like, okay, there's a huge difference to the 500, but it's okay. And when I was there in my spare bedroom, my schedule started to be very, very busy. So I started to have like a month,

two months of people wanting to come with me because they've seen the difference from others. They've heard from others, they've heard from others. That's when I was like, I'm not able to do this by myself. So I started to have these spots and the locations, hiring massage therapists, their schedules were busy as well. And then I was like, I don't think I can deal with all of this because as you said, I came

from a humble beginning. I didn't have enough financial education, for example, that will teach me. My mom would tell me, oh, I didn't go to Yale, I didn't go to Stanford, I didn't have a business degree. I was learning crying during the night and during the day, I was like, how do I solve this?

How can I do this? I was learning during the process. And after the spas, I was like, I feel that I have to share everything I know, because every single client that lays down here, not only with me, but also my massage therapist, they are wanting more and they are looking on my Instagram. They're like, where can I find someone in Florida? Where can I find someone in New York? How about California?

Every single day I have so many people asking for the my method specifically. So that's when I started training people on my technique. You probably saw a lot of people on social media probably doing it wrong too. Oh my gosh. Yes, all the time. I'm sure that that's hard to watch.

It's so bad. If they're like doing the inverse of lymphatic drainage. Yes, All the time. I'm sure that that's hard to watch. It's so bad. If they're like doing the inverse of lymphatic drainage. Yes. It's so bad because then at the end of the day is the client that is going home with an even worse result. Sometimes I feel like maybe we should not even provide lymphatic for someone if you're not 100% sure what you're doing,

because it's gonna be worst. If you damage a lymph node, for example, because you are, I don't know, pumping on the wrong way with too much pressure, that little lymph node that the massage therapist damaged can take 30 to 40 days to get recovered. So it's better not having a lymphatic than having with the wrong professional.

So that's when I started my classes. And now we are in 22 countries, 45 states here in America with certified professionals on my technique. Brazilian lymphatic by Josie Rusch in the right way with the pressure points, with everything that we were talking. Now, I mean, like, it's not just too lymphatic. It's just not go, I don't know, go to Brazil and learn something there and start doing here. American bodies are different. Our lifestyle here is different. Our food here is different. Not here but Canada or wherever I have certified these students. You love the Skinny Confidential Dry Brush. I do. But here's the thing, we want to make sure we're all using it right. Can you explain what the importance of like maybe explain to us

your tips and tricks of doing it at home and doing it right like where you would start with it you know where to go up where to go down. Yeah always towards the heart. I feel that if you're gonna do something right just always think about that you are gonna have to work with the dry brushing towards your heart. Okay. And the second thing that I feel that sometimes people are lacking is that we have to divide our body parts into three that we call proximal, medial, and distal. So if I'm working, for example, on the forearm, the closest lymph nodes that I have from the forearm is here, my cubital nodes. So I divide this here in three parts, proximal, medial, and distal. And I always start to work on the closest lymph nodes that I have over here in this

case proximal. So if by your armpit you would start above your armpit? Yes. So here I'll divide in three and start to the closest one first, then medial and distal. And you can make this fun. I told you, my fiance does on me, I do on him. You know, like, it doesn't have to be something, oh, I have to do this. You can do like this. You can teach your partner how to do this every day, every week.

It depends because it helps with exfoliation as well. Every single time before I have sex, Michael, I want to be dry brushed from head to toe or I'm not doing it. Right? I know it's a good one. A little habit stack for you. Okay. I have heard that you have to start at your ankles. Is that true? No, it's not true. You always have to, if you're going to do your leg, you have to start on your ankles. Is that true? No, it's not true. You always have to, if you're going to do your leg, you have to start on your thigh and also dividing three proximal, medial and distal. And just so you guys know, the proximal is the closest to the vagina, which is where the area is like right there where it drains, right? Yes. Yes. Because

what do we have to think is that we have to clear that path to the others to come. So when you're talking about proximal closer here to the inguinal, the growing area, we are cleaning up this path here. And then the medial, when it comes with that fluid, the proximal will be cleared. And then the distal will also follow. So the same thing happens to the whole leg. Why would you do the ankles first if you actually have to bring everything towards your heart and all of your leg has to be cleared. So you would start right by the vagina. Yes. And then you would go to the middle of your thigh and then you would go above your knee and then you would go right behind your knee.

Yes. And then do the same thing all the way down to the ankles. Yes, on the shin the same thing, proximal medial and distal. And how do you prep the face so it can drain properly? You know I do this every morning so I want to make sure I'm doing everything correctly. What do you, do you like, I think you told me to open up behind my ears, explain exactly what to do there. Yeah, we have to pump the superficial nose. It's kind of like activate them for them to work properly. So you literally just have to do like two little fingers like this. And I like to call this like hula hula.

So everybody remembers. Imagine that you were doing like a hula hula. That's how you activate your lymph nodes. So you just like clip your ears, for example, and just do like a hula hula here. Same thing. That is how you massage it's a hula hula. Yeah, just the pumping. And if you guys want to see what the hula hula is, go on YouTube. Don't pop a boner guys. Yeah. And you go underneath your chin. Underneath the chin. And then you open up the clavicle.

Yes. Well, exactly. Above the clavicle, we have lots and lots of lymph nodes over here, super clavicle, infraclavicle as well. Just have to do the hula hula as well. Imagine you're dancing a hula hula. That's exactly what you have to do in order to activate the lymph nodes. And when I do my facial massage with my hands or my tools, I'm always lifting up besides under the eyes. I go in, is that right?

That's perfect. Yes, that's amazing. Oh, if you were gonna say no, I was right? That's perfect. Yes, that's amazing If you were gonna say no I was gonna be like fuck No, it's right because a lot of people do the under eye wrong They go out they go out and you should come in because we have the lacrimal duct right here So we have to kind of bring all the fluids towards to the lacrimal duct Okay So you so everything is lifting out you you lift out and up and then you

go in underneath the under eye and then you can bring it down the neck to drain it after you've prepped. On this side, always that's another mistake that I see a lot. So not here, you don't go down on the middle of your neck, only on the sides here, you always go up. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, so the middle of my neck, I go up. Yes, you go up. You don't didn't know that. Okay. So the middle of my neck I go up. Yes, you go up.

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That's bumpsuit.co, code skinny for 15% off. Would you be willing to put up a reel, a video, when this goes live so the audience can all go run to your Instagram and follow you and find exactly what to do for facial massage? Yeah, sure. That'd be very helpful. I also sometimes use the dry brush to open up behind my ears before. Can you do that?

Absolutely. You can do like the way that it's just the there's a little bit of a I don't know how to say that scratch. Yeah. A little bit of scratch that's don't know how to say that, scratch? Yeah. A little bit of scratch that's kind of the same of opening the lymph node, but with the dry brush. Okay, geez, that was a huge lesson.

I didn't realize that you went up in the middle of the neck. Yeah, that's very important. That's something that I learned today, you guys. What do you do? This is such an off tangent question, but I have to ask you because you're the perfect person. You work closely with a lot of different people. There's people who are listening who are makeup artists or they do hair or maybe they do what I do and they interview.

And I've heard a lot of these people say that when they have to be around a lot of different personalities and energies, they have to do a practice before they do it. So for me, I do what one of my facialists calls it is zipping up. You zip your energy up. What do you do so you don't take on the person that you're massaging's energy? I work barefoot. Ah! 100%. Yeah, I worked, I went to your house and I'm sure you probably remembered I took her off my shoes. Well, I just like when everyone takes their shoes off. So I didn't notice that. I didn't know that. You wore a barefoot, but I didn't know that that's why.

Yeah, that's why. Totally having connection to the ground, making sure that I'm not, I've never actually, I just had like two cases in my, it's been almost 10 years that I've been working with this. And I just had two cases that I felt a little bit weird, very weird. Because like you took on someone's bad day. Yeah. They were not nice. So, so what do you do? How do you get rid of that?

When you're done? We have to ground it, you know, like we call this grounded in massage therapy. Yeah. Even though I was barefoot, that was just not something that was like our energies were pairing, so I just needed a little bit of a time. But after the session, I had a lot of headache. I think Derek remembers that. It's just like, that was really bad.

I was having a very bad headache. I had nausea and I had it all, uh-huh. And then I just left, grounded, feet on the floor, on the earth, and then just breathe in, breathing respirations and just go back to my routine. Yeah, it's with what I do, I because some people are very open on the podcast and they'll say a lot of crazy stories. I mean, I've heard all different kinds of things and you have to be able to almost have a bubble around you.

But with what you do, you're touching people, which is a different layer. And then also sometimes they can imagine they're like unloading on you. Yes. And so it's almost like you really have to be thoughtful with how you're showing up. Absolutely, and I see majority of my clients, women, are women, so it's like that vulnerable position that we were talking about, so the ventral position that we are saying, so they are really open to share, really open to including energies. So just having balance, I mean, like,

we learned how to deal with all that I did learn throughout of the years, but yeah, it could be sometimes we can feel it. Definitely their energy It's a good thing. It's mostly women because I feel like the men would pop a boner But it's natural It's natural, you know, like it's natural. So if you're massaging and they just pop one. Yes, yes. Let me explain so people don't get this wrong. We are stimulating the lymphatic system,

lymph flow and circulation. What does it cause their erection? Circulation. So obviously if the person doesn't have bad intention, if does happen could be like some illegitimate thing. So we, when we are in school, we learn how to deal with that, you know, like, so if you are a real professional

and a massage therapist, I mean, like your license, cause we see a lot of people out there that sometimes they're not even licensed. They don't know how to deal with that, you know. So I shouldn't gift my dad a lymphatic session. Maybe. I shouldn't gift my grandpa a lymphatic session. Oh, gosh.

Well, maybe my grandpa. Oh, maybe. Yeah, but I mean, it can happen. We are just, it's just, honestly, Lauren, we just, for us, it's so- It's just whatever. It's like past the ketchup. Exactly. It's just like, it's natural. Like, it's so- It's just whatever. It's like past the ketchup. Exactly.

It's just like, it's natural. Like, it's just a piece. I don't know. We see the muscles- I would flick it out of the way. Yeah, no. It's just, I mean, like, obviously I don't want to encounter that every single time, obviously, you know?

Hit it with the dry brush. Yeah, right? But it's just- Is that your pinky toe? It's a pee pee. Oh, it's just- Is that your pinky toe? It's a pee pee. Oh, it's so cute. Right?

Then they're going to say, oh, okay. But yeah, I mean, like, obviously, I don't want to deal with that. Oh, who does? Yeah, but we understand that it's like, it's a responsive react from the body. So guys, don't be afraid to get lymphatic. Yeah, it's fine. It's a responsive react from the body. So guys, don't be afraid to get lymphatic. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, I have a lot of like, for example, I have clients and they come in,

there are women and they're like, can you please see my husband? Can you like he wants to try this? I did that to you. Yeah, right. So see, usually it's like by referral. We don't we don't just like get walking. I'm going to put a video camera in there when when you you work on Michael and I'm gonna be watching every little step Give me an update. I love a real-time update I could use a little leverage against him, you know, just something to throw out at the dinner table

Oh Michael, this is not listen. I'm looking at the camera this is not my idea. There was no I have nothing to do with that okay. Honestly I go to the footspa and if they gave me a happy ending I would just lay there I feel so good I'm just like whatever. Oh my gosh Lord. The massage board is now revoking my license it's like no Josie. You cannot have a license anymore I would get in trouble if I know you are very professional and very amazing And I just think that you've built such a massive cool business

Before you talk to us about where people can find you and if people want to get certified in your method I want to bring Katie in. Okay. And if you guys are listening to this, you will need to go to YouTube because you'll only be able to see it on YouTube. And I want you to show us with the dry brush how to activate the lymphatic system. Sure. Sure. Let's come on in. We're going to get an HR violation. Carson, will you grab Katie really quick? Because I want to show it on YouTube. People will love this because it's funny, it's light, but it's educational and informative. Yeah, yeah, that's good.

They're not doing anything wrong. OK, take all your clothes off. If you want to see Katie naked on YouTube, go run. Katie, will you be our model? Katie's going to stand here. OK. All right, so first, if they're working on their thigh, that should be the first one.

They're just gonna divide in three parts like we were saying, and just gonna make sure they go towards the growing area here. Yeah. And then after that, medial right here, just bring it in and don't be shy, go all the way in inside.

We have a lot of people complaining about this area over here. And finally they can go ahead and do this toe. So this is for the thighs. Important for the back of the thigh, we have to make sure that we are bringing exactly everything to this lymph nodes here. So I feel a lot of people doing this,

bring everything from here towards to these lymph nodes over here. So I feel a lot of people doing this, bring everything from here towards to these lymph nodes over here. We do not have lymph nodes on this area here. That's good. You're going to have a little bit of a lift on your butt as well. As far as the knee, you can bring everything to the back over here. So you bring all to the popliteal area and the shin proximal as well bringing to the back medial here to the back and distal there to the back okay oh my god and i just learned katie too when you're doing facial massage you always go up in the middle and down on the sides yeah i've been getting katie very into facial massage oh Oh, cool. See, you got to do it. Where can everyone find you?

Where can they apply for your courses? If you guys are listening and you're interested in getting your expertise in Josie's method, where can they stock you? So if they want to find any of my locations is Brazilish shows. I have one in Austin, Texas, Nashville, Tennessee, and I often go to Beverly Hills as well. Okay. If they're not from any of these places, they can find certified students as well that were trained by me. So they just can go online on detoxlovers.com and they're able to find also

my certified students there. If you are a massage therapist or a body contour specialist, you can learn my technique as well. Just go and search for Josie Rushing on Instagram, and I have a link there that they can learn in person or online. Do you wanna give a code if someone wants to sign up for your classes and courses? Yeah, do you like to help me with a code?

You can create, you can. Can we do code skinny? Yeah, yeah. You pick the percentage off. Yeah, yeah. Let's say like 10%, is that good? Code skinny gets you 10% off. You can learn her method. I will tell you, I am someone that has gotten massaged more than anyone in the world. I'm gonna, if there was a Guinness book of world records, I am addicted to all kinds of massage and your massage is superior. It's one of the best massages I've ever had You're so talented and you and I were supposed to meet you already know this Yeah, we're but we're like our frequency we were supposed to meet and I'm so happy to give your information to the whole audience

I'm sure a lot of them already know you yeah But if you guys have not gotten a Josie massage and and it doesn't just have to be from Josie, it's your technique. Yeah, yeah. Brazilian Beauty Formula is the name of my certified students, so they can get with any of my certified students as well. And thank you so much. Yeah, and you guys, if anyone's getting plastic surgery or surgery, please check out Lymphatic Massage. It will make your recovery happen like it's it's night and day with the recovery. Yes, non-surgery, post-surgery, wellness, cosmetic. Just think that Brazilian lymphatic can help with all of this in once. I have had surgery without lymphatic drainage

and with lymphatic drainage and I can tell you it doesn't the recovery does not even compare. Yes, that's true. So, check it out. Josie, thank you for coming on. Absolutely my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.