The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - The Truth About Meat & Animal Protein In Our Diets Ft. Robby Sansom & Taylor Collins

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

#706: Today we're joined by Robby Sansom and Taylor Collins, co-founders of Force of Nature, a regeneratively sourced company with the mission to reclaim the legacy of meat. They join us today to talk about all things meat. We discuss the differences between organic and regenerative farms, why chickens have been given a bad rap, and how the industrialization of the meat industry has destroyed American health and the environment.   To connect with Taylor Collins click HERE To connect with Robby Sansom click HERE To connect with Force of Nature click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Use code "HIMANDHER15" to receive 15% off an order of Force of Nature product at forceofnature.com This episode is brought to you by Rhoback Activewear Use code SKINNY at rhoback.com for 20% off your first order until 5/31/2024. This episode is brought to you by Active Skin Repair Visit ActiveSkinRepair.com to learn more about Active Skin Repair and use code SKINNY to get 20% off your order. This episode is brought to you by JS Health Visit jshealthvitamins.com/skinny and use code SKINNY for 20% off your first order or subscription order. This episode is brought to you by Lipton Green tea is a great ally for wellness and a simple way to up your everyday healthy habits. Try the new Lipton Green Tea today. This episode is brought to you by Beis Beis has thought of everything you could ever want in a piece of luggage...360 degree gliding wheels, a cushioned handle, built-in weight indicator, washable bags for your dirty clothes, and all the interior pockets you need to keep organized. Go to beistravel.com/skinny for 15% off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Delta Airlines Delta Airlines believes you should feel at home, even if you're 30,000 feet above it. Learn more at delta.com Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Aha! Potential. Him and her. There's 5.6 billion pounds of poison that are put on these monocrops of food globally. That's almost a pound of poison per person on the globe per year. That's completely unacceptable. And no one's having a conversation about the unintended consequences. Why are fertility rates plummeting? Why are cancer rates rising? Why is Alzheimer's high? I mean, if we're being honest, like we can't say it was evil intention.

The thought was, hey, can we create more yield and reduce the cost of food? Which is, I would say, a noble endeavor until you fast forward a generation or two and you can look at the consequences and they are great in both in number and in impact. And we can logically say, okay, like this is, this is a bit too far. We need to rewind this. It's not worth it.

Something that I am so wildly passionate about is, wait for it, insert a drum roll, Carson, my daily bowl of meat. I have been eating a daily bowl of meat for the last year and a half every single day. It's ground beef. Sometimes it's an ancestral blend. Sometimes it's venison. Sometimes it's just regular ground beef. But what it always is, is force of nature. I was introduced to force of nature through Joe Rogan, I think. And basically, he just raved about how great this meat is. It's regeneratively sourced and everything is just grass-fed. It's organic, grass-finished. It's all the things. And I like the meat so much and it's changed my life so much that I invited the

founders on the podcast. Now, I want to tell you what I have noticed from eating my bowl of meat every day. This is obviously my experience. Everyone should do what works for them. But I will tell you, my nails have never been longer. My hair has never been thicker. I have been in the process of losing 60 pounds over the last two years. And this bowl of meat has helped fill me up and keep me satisfied. And the meat that I have, I just feel force of nature is super nourishing. I feel energy when I eat it. And I'm just passionate about sharing that. So I reached out to the founders. I was like, please come on the podcast and talk about all the things.

Talk about what regenerative farming is. Talk about the problem with the meat industry. Why chicken isn't as good for you as other meat and the benefits of eating red meat. I want to also say I'm so open to also having vegans on the podcast, vegetarians. I want to sort of get a well-rounded approach to the eating conversation. This just happens to be a very meaty conversation. Let's welcome Robbie Sansom and Taylor Collins, co-founders of Force of Nature, previously co-founders of Epic Meats, to the Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Conf to the Him and Her Show. This is the skinny confidential Him and Her. I have you two and I'm sure many others to thank because you are the ones that convinced my wife

to finally start partaking and eating meat with me. I was a lone ranger there for a minute and now our whole household is on force of nature. Thank you guys. Welcome to the show. I told you guys when you first came in that my hair and body is fueled by force of nature. Well, thank you for having us. Of course. And thank you for the support. I've heard that there is like a meatball routine that I'm supposed to ask you about. It's pretty sick. i do is i take your ground ancestral blend and i cook it up and then i'll do a huge bowl like a huge one of meat with sauerkraut hot sauce a little bit of raw cheese and sometimes i'll do like a salsa on top it's so good that's next level yeah It's a daily thing? Every day. Wow. And you're talking to somebody that when we were in California, I think I maybe saw you have two steaks a year. Maybe.

It's been a kind of radical change. For me, my dad was a meat potatoes guy, so it's normal for me. But for her, it's like a whole 180. I love hearing that because i'm a girl dad and taylor's a girl dad and like i have this fear of my daughter growing up and being afraid to eat meat and i know that it is so not just like not just good but necessary essential and critical and i feel like as a country we have failed our moms and daughters and sisters and all of the women by giving them horrible nutrition advice and telling them to stay away from red meat,

go right towards chicken. And we couldn't have failed them more and given them worse advice. It's just terrible. That must drive you guys nuts when you, knowing all that you know, which we're going to get into and see online, like what the advice is. Yeah. It makes me skeptical of everything. It almost makes me want to go do the opposite of what any kind of three-letter government agency recommends. When did you guys see white space in this area and how did you come together to start this? Give us a little bit of the backstory. Robbie and I, we've known each other for a long time. We grew up in Austin together. Early in life, we knew each other when we could drive. My wife, Katie, knew Robbie before I did.

And so the three of us kind of went different ways in life and then connected later in life when my wife and I were going through some health issues, health journey. We had a vegan company of all things, and that didn't work out. That was the opposite of everything we should have done. And my wife, if she was still vegan, she'd either be in a wheelchair now or possibly have only one leg. She had chronic inflammation, chronic gastrointestinal issues. She was competing at really high levels for Ironman races and she couldn't even get on her bike.

It was terrible. Her and I made a pivot from our vegan lifestyle, abandoned our vegan brand, started eating meat again. And then we're so inspired that we were like, let's start a meat company. And then that's where Robbie came back into our lives. And so the three of us ran this company called Epic,

which was like a protein bar made out of meat for a couple of years. And then we ended up selling that. And then we doubled down on everything we had learned and our mission and our beliefs and our values and started Force of Nature to really amplify and accelerate this global regeneration. There's a lot of people that I think, especially in this space, are maybe misinformed or not as informed, or maybe there's a lot of confirmation bias going on. And again, again, and I've, I've said for years, you know, morally, if people decide to do something for a moral reason,

you know, I don't have a leg to stand on. You're going to make those choices, but from like a pure health standpoint, why did you guys get so into focusing in the categories that you're in? And what do you think people would be surprised about hearing that maybe they're just, would you think maybe the general public is mostly uninformed about? From a health perspective, there's so many things. Yeah, we have time. To your point about the white space, we learned a lot about meat in particular, no doubt. And to Taylor's point, the value set that they had as vegans, wanting to honor the land and be considerate of the consequences that you're having when you produce food, wanting to be thoughtful about the ethics of the welfare of the animals, wanting to make sure that the system you're participating in is actually

nourishing humans. And those were the things that at the time, if you follow the dogma, and I'm sure you might've been there on your journey too, we were told can't be achieved with meat. And that is through the journey with Epic, what we figured out actually wasn't true whatsoever. And if you go back and you look at evolution, you see just how critical and fundamental it has been to our development as humans and our brain development and our health and how our bodies work. But then you look at over the last generation or so, since the green revolution and since animal agriculture and plant agriculture has been industrialized, that's where things have really fallen off of the cliff. And so I think when you say,

what are some health things that people would be surprised by? I would say this idea that plant-based agriculture should get a free pass is insanity. I get really frustrated when I hear this dogmatic conversation of like, it's got to be plants and only plants, or it's got to be animals and only animals. It's like nowhere on the planet is there an ecosystem that's thriving and functioning and producing an abundance of healthy creatures that is solely animals or solely plants. That's a monocrop, right? It's always been plants and animals in harmony and in functioning systems. And so I say it's not plant-based or animal-based, it's planet-based. And this idea that we have three or 400 million acres of

corn at any given time in the United States, you see it when you fly in a plane, you look down, it looks like a checkerboard of where we have tilled, sprayed herbicide, sprayed fungicide, sprayed fertilizer, sprayed every kind of side intended to destroy life and create a monocrop of a single product, whether it be corn or soy or wheat or peanuts, or one of the few things that we produce in this country. So when people fly around and they see those perfect squares outlined, the majority of the time, it's those things. Yeah. I mean, the United States is about 2 billion acres and we practice agriculture on about half of it. So when you think about the scale of decimating landscapes and then

poisoning it, and then most of that running off into our water supply, which is why glyphosate is showing up in breast milk and urine and why we have dead zones in oceans and algae blooms and riverways and pollinator dies, all these sorts of things. It's because of the horrible practices we have in raising plants for agriculture. So terrible, right? So as people that are maybe more plant-based are obviously also concerned about the environment and concerned about what's in our water supply and the municipal supply and all these things, one of the things you're saying here is because of what we've done from an agricultural perspective with all of this land in the US with these practices, a lot of these issues are becoming issues because of all the runoff that's happening on a lot of these plant farms.

Oh yeah. And it goes farther than that with runoff. And again, like rabbit holes that have rabbit holes within them, but leaving that amount of ground exposed allows for erosion. Erosion is one of the biggest challenges we have threatening food security globally. When you hear stats that come from organizations like the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations saying we only have 60 harvests left on the planet that is specifically pointing to a fact about the rate of eroding soil which is considered to be a non-renewable resource that is finite that is

the source of all life on the planet the rate at which we're eroding that globally because of how we're mistreating our food producing land bases is so great that we won't be able to produce food in the current methodology in 60 years if that amount of soil loss continues. That soil happens to be taking the fertilizer, pesticide, fungicide, et cetera, everything with it on its journey to the ocean. Yikes. What are some facts that would shock anyone? It doesn't have to be vegan, meat eater. What are just some facts that you guys have that are shocking to you guys? I got one. So there's 5.6 billion pounds of poison that are put on these monocrops of food

globally. And that's annually. And so when we think about, okay, like what is our global population right now? I don't know, 8 billion. That's almost a pound of poison per person on the globe per year. That's completely unacceptable. And no one's having a conversation about the unintended consequences. Why are fertility rates plummeting? Why are cancer rates rising? Why is Alzheimer's high? And so the chemical use in agriculture, we have a chemical agricultural system now.

When did this start? In what year did this start to be common practice and abundant? Coming out of World War II, a lot of the chemical manufacturing plants that produced the chemicals for bombs or chemical warfare were able to be transitioned into producing fertilizers and other products that then incited the green revolution. Look, I mean, if we're being honest, like we can't say it was evil intention. The thought was, hey, can we create more yield and reduce the cost of food, which is, I would say, a noble endeavor until you fast forward a generation or two and you can look at the consequences and they are great in both in number and in impact. And we can logically say, okay, like this is a bit too far. We need to rewind this. It's not worth it. I want to talk to someone who does eat meat for a second. If someone's listening, they eat meat. What are the things that they need to be looking for in their meat? Because I know I just heard that you need grass-fed and grass-finished, but it has to stay 100%. What are all these things that we need to be? How can we be our own guru? The first thing is that meat shouldn't get a pass. We're opposed to chemical industrial

monocropping, but we're also opposed to industrial factory modeling with animal-based food production. So like feedlots, that's an abomination that should be outlawed. That's terrible for consumers. That's terrible for the environment as well. And so when you're actually kind of breaking down those hierarchy in the tiers of the protein and label pack claims, I think if you're looking for a ruminant animal, you're always going to benefit. So a bison, a beef cow, a sheep or a goat, that's always going to be better for you and the environment. And then looking for claims like 100% grass fed and regenerative. Now, regenerative is always going to be that top-tier claim because the assumption should be safely made that that animal's already on pasture,

but it's creating a net positive return back on the ecosystem. So it needs to stay regenerative. How do you say that word? Regenerative. Regenerative and 100% grass-fed. And what about with chicken? I know that that's chickens. I feel like people call it the dirty bird. Oh, that's so nice to hear. Is that true? You know, chickens are these incredible animals that came from Asia that lived in jungles that we have just dumbed them down into these little biological feed conversion machines that get chronically ill really quick, produce abnormally large breasts,

but their lungs and organs don't develop. So they end up very sick and sad, and then they go to slaughter. And it's just such a horrible thing to do to a living sentient being in the name of, again, you can put them into these little chicken factories and get a lot of output. In this country, we kill about 30 million head of cattle. We kill 8 billion chickens. It get a lot of output. We, in this country, we kill about 30 million head of cattle. We kill 8 billion chickens. Wow. It's a lot of death, right?

To produce... You kill one chicken for basically every person on the planet every year. Yep. Just to feed the United States though. Oh, that's just here. That's just here. Wow. Yeah.

Is half of that chicken McNuggets? That's definitely how they make chicken McNuggets. It's 100%. That plus mechanically separated pink sludge, right? Which is a whole separate conversation. But again, the challenge with poultry isn't just like how we've mistreated these animals. They just took really well to this industrialized model where we could dominate a system and control all of the variables. They're small, they grow fast. We can feed them corn and soy, which we overproduce in a commodity-based system. All of these things. But ultimately,

then it's like the original plant-based meat. It doesn't deliver what the consumer thinks it delivers. They think it's healthier for them. It's definitively not. They think it's better for the environment. It's horribly not better for the environment. It's certainly not better for welfare. When we've bred a breed of chicken now that won't evade predation, can't breed, won't breed. It just doesn't have biological instincts left inside of it. And so, you know, I think it is a dirty bird. I think if you looked at the conditions that they're living in, you'd be incredibly off put. But then also going back to our earlier point about being, you know, fathers and husbands

and feeling, you know, like our wives and children have been let down. If you look at just the micronutrients of critical need across the country, the folate, iron, B12, calcium, magnesium, vitamin A, these are the micronutrients we're most depleted in across the world, including developed nations and particularly women of reproductive age, the amount of chicken it takes to get a third of the daily recommended value of those key ingredients is 1,100 calories. That's a pound of chicken. It takes seven calories of liver. It's like a teaspoon. You know what I mean? Or like one single four-ounce serving. When you take a single quarter pounder hamburger of beef gets you that. So it's like ruminant animals are what our landscapes evolved symbiotically to thrive in. The meat is what gives us everything that we need. And it can be done in a way that the animal is living its best life in its best

environment. And yet somehow meat consumption is going down and chicken consumption is going up. And it's because you can get a chicken at a club store or any grocery store for like $4.99. It's fully cooked. It's sitting there next to the register. It smells good. It's like Cinnabon in the airport. Like you walk by and you're just drawn to it. It's cooking in microplastics. Totally cooking in microplastics, right? But like that chicken. So what I always say about chicken is like you should pay a lot more for it and eat a lot less of it you know like rome katie and tiller do have an incredible poultry program they raise turkeys and have raised chickens and have raised eggs layer hens and it's like these animals have a role it's not to say just like you know they don't they don't have

value in life or on this planet but like they have taken center stage on our plate to the point where we used to have the saying for hundreds of years like like a chicken in every pot. That was a term that was meant to convey abundance and health. And American presidents have said it, European kings have said it as a sign of we're going to make sure this population is well taken care of. And we've gone down to commodify, which means to cheapen chickens to be just like nothing. They don't offer the nutritional value. So anyway, I'll get off my chicken rant there, but it's really sad. And I know you have a predominantly women audience. So when you ask for recommendations on looking for meat, it's like, first of all, every time that you think that ordering chicken is the right thing for you to do, just eat beef. Well, what I noticed after

eating my bowl of beef every day for the last two years is my hair has never been longer. I took my extensions out. My nails have never grown faster. I've lost the most weight I've ever had to lose, and I feel full and satisfied. It's so funny. The other day I saw this girl on Instagram. I don't know who it was. I'll have to find it and put it in the show notes but she was saying that meat is essentially doing the same thing that ozempic's doing and what she meant is she's that it it keeps you full and satisfied so you're not binging on or eating a bunch of food and i could except you don't lose all the muscle mass with the density and your hair doesn't fall out it grows longer so i think that that's that's super interesting that i would love to hear more of what beauty benefits you guys see from beef but i just want

to make a comment real quick speaking to the women that listen to this audience and also becoming a father of a daughter and you know thinking about this as well it when we lived in la and like i've always been a meat eater and i've never really thought about it just like that's how's how I grew up. And it just inherently figured, you know, of course we eat meat. Like that's how we evolved. You know, dads eat meat, I eat meat. Like everybody eats meat. Every, every book you read is like this. That's, that's how we evolved on this planet. So it was never strange to me. There's only been in like recent times, you're starting to have this big green movement, which again, like to each his own, but I would be eating this way and she would do these smoothies and these weird kale things. I'm going to pick on you a little bit. Tell me if you want me to stop.

But, and I would watch all this stuff. Lentil pasta? Yeah. Lentil pasta, like just weird stuff. And I was like, what is all this? And she was always like hungry and then like eating at night. And I never really thought about it because in my mind, just being a guy, I was like, oh, I guess that's just how women eat, right? Like who am I to say like what their diet should be? I knew like for me, I was like, I would I guess that's just how women eat, right? Like who am I to say like what their diet should be? I knew like for me, I was like, I would never eat like that. But, you know, we would go to these restaurants, we'd eat pastas and stuff and, you know, still be hungry.

And I would, I never really thought it was strange. But then when we started working out together, she started lifting weights with me and she started doing this. I'm like, oh, why the fuck did I not say like, of course, this is the diet like you should incorporate. You didn't know you were brainwashed too. No, no, but it's not that I was brainwashed. I just, I think a lot of guys are like, oh, cool. This is

how I eat. And then my wife. Yeah, I'll get a steak. You get your salad. Everybody's happy. Yeah. But looking back, I feel kind of dumb not saying like, why are you not incorporating more animal-based protein into your diet if you're trying to lose weight or gain muscle or have better hair or more collagen or better skin? By the way, you guys have great skin. And I just never thought about it because the way that I feel you get most of your vitamins and minerals is through these diets and all the supplements are great to kind of support. But this is the way that men have done it for years predominantly. I guess what I'm saying is I think a lot of guys just don't think to go to

their significant other or their daughter or their wife and say like, hey, why are you eating just salads and pastas and lentils and all these things that maybe aren't as efficient as some of the other things. To your point, I did see a stat recently and I forget the exact number, but it's some relatively small percentage of men in the United States eat like, I think it's like 12% of men in the United States are eating like 80% of the beef that we're producing. Wow. And it's not saying anything other than not enough other constituencies are consuming enough of one of the most critical foods and nutrient-dense foods that we have. And I think to your point about the beauty features, you just laid out a ton of them, right? From skin to hair to nails. I've heard, and I know you have guests, like a lot of the things that you can do to treat topically and beef tallow and things like that.

But again, you're also feeding your skin internally. And I think one of the other things is mental disorders, you know, depression, anxiety, you know, all of those other elements, you know, like the fact that for every human cell you have in your body, you have 10 non-human cells and are recognizing the importance of like fueling that and the gut microbiome and how much of your attitude and mindset and health, all of the instances that we're seeing of autoimmune disorders that can

lead to conditions like eczemas and so on. So many other things. So yeah, I mean, like anything that you can do to promote wellness is going to have positive outcomes on what we would consider to be features of beauty and so many others. And I would say having a good personality and the capacity to engage in conversation and enjoy life is a pretty beautiful thing. You want to know another one? This is, this is, okay. So I have skinny confidential mouth tape to tape your mouth shut to breathe from your nose. And I've been so obsessed with nose breathing. Nose breathing is really good for your jaw structure and your face. But you know what else is good for your jaw structure

and your face? Eating meat. And what happens is a lot of kids are not given meat. And so they have weak jaw structures because they're not chewing on the meat. Have you guys heard this? Humans are not designed to survive off smoothies, but you have teeth in your mouth for a reason. Have you guys ever heard that? Oh, absolutely. Okay. Yeah. I mean, this is the whole premise of the Weston A. Price Foundation.

Have you guys been familiar with that? How live? So there was a medical doctor named Weston A. Price, and he was studying world cultures, Americans with their busted grills, crooked teeth, saying, what is going on here? With some teeth removed. Yeah. Started going to other cultures around the planet. And he was noticing these like indigenous people had immaculate, beautiful jaw structures.

When you look at the Comanches and the Apaches and the Cheyenne Indians, some of the most handsome people you've ever seen because of their teeth never had these issues. So they're like, well, what's going on? What's the difference? Oh, it's how these cultures are eating radically different. And so that very premise, that is such a, I'm so glad you mentioned that because that is absolute beauty and not only the structure of your jaw and your teeth, but also your airway. So being able to effectively breathe in a healthy way.

Yeah. So don't just eat tenderloins, get those like chewy cuts of meat too, especially since they're going to be bringing all that like valuable connective tissue loaded with collagen and all the other stuff. But like every time you're chewing on a chunk of meat, know that you're doing yourself a favor. I have recently in the last year taken up a new hobby, tennis. Michael and I play tennis wherever we go. Whenever we're traveling, we literally plan our whole trip around our tennis. So if we're playing tennis early in the morning, we won't go out to dinner and have drinks. We'll move drinks to lunch. We'll plan our trip around tennis. And it's been really fun to be active. And it's also such a great way to strengthen our relationship. It's fun. And during tennis, I wear a specific tennis outfit. I am obsessed. Okay. It's this dress.

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first subscription order. That's jshealthvitamins.com slash skinny. Guys, I was eating deer for breakfast the other day. If you would have told me three years ago that I would be waking up and eating deer for breakfast, I would have been like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? So I'm chewing my meat. I'm eating my meat. You're Texan now. It'm eating my meat. You're texting now. It's official. Welcome. Thank you.

I want you guys to riff a little bit on liver. I was eating too much liver and Michael called me out. I know you can only- I didn't call you out. I just said, hey, you don't, like, it was like a lot of- It was like too much. It was a lot. I said, you don't, maybe you're going to, you can overdo it, right? Talk to us about-

Can you overdo too much liver? Yeah. I think some would say that, you know, you could overdo anything. You can overdo water. Sure's talk to us about can you overdo too much liver yeah yeah i think i think some would say that you know you could overdo anything you can overdo water sure i mean absolutely you know so but you know i don't think that in in the average person's going to have that problem certainly not in this day and age so you think it's oh it's okay to eat a little bit every day i would say so and it but again like look like even our ancestors which is why you know taylor came up with the term ancestral blend for those items is because when we launched that product line where we, and by the way, that's the line where we take ordinary ground meat

and we incorporate a little bit of heart and a little bit of liver into the blend. So you don't taste it, but you get the benefit of it because a little bit does go a long way. And, you know, our ancestors and even our animal ancestors, like wolves and other animals, like these organs are so nutrient dense. They're the first cuts they're selected for, that are selected for. And even in the expansion of the West and the United States, like as folks were going out, they wouldn't be, you know, harvesting an animal and going straight to eating the tender loins. You know, they'd be getting those nutrient dense cuts. And so there's a place for them. But

also look at the composition of an animal. We always think of nose to tail eating. You're getting a seven pound heart or a 20 pound liver on a carcass that's going to carry four or 500 pounds of meat. So there's a natural ratio there that I would say it's probably good to honor that ratio and getting a little bit every day is probably right, but I wouldn't want to flip that ratio around. Sure. So to talk about force of nature a little bit, what would you describe as the main differences between what you guys do and what most people get in the grocery store? I think starting there and just how you guys go about your process. You made me a steak from Whole Foods the other day. That was not great. No offense,

Whole Foods. It was not great. I was like, what is going on? What's the differences? Because you can taste it. Yeah. And I think just talking about your process, because when we talk about regeneratively raised, defining that to people, because I think people hear about animals and butchering animals and immediately they're going to think of certain things. I just want you guys to talk about how you kind of differentiate. We started to touch on it a bit early on, but I'm glad you kind of brought this question back up because I think one of the differences is that people don't just misunderstand what's going on in the meat industry. They've been outright deceived. And it's by design. It's intentional. The broad we as an industry have done some pretty messed

up things to animals, but also to full consumers so that they continue to be complicit in a system that I think does not align with their values. And so we see in the data where consumers are selecting for things that say natural on the package, that means nothing, ignore it, it's garbage. Where we select for things that say antibiotic-free or hormone-free or organic. I mean, again, we have gone through, and these are milestones and moving forward in a journey, But the truth is all of those things that I just said can still come out of and will most commonly come out of a feedlot. And I'm talking like 99.9% of the time, you know, these animals are, are, are, are being finished the end part of their life, fattened up on, on, on corn and soy, probably GMO and a feedlot. And so it's just like, I don't want to eat six sedentary animals that have eaten

arguably toxic food to end their life. And so I think the reality is consumers are showing what they have an interest in. I think they want an animal that's healthy, that comes from a system that looks healthy, that comes from a community of human beings stewarding that landscape. And that community is healthy. That's what people want. That's what they imagine. When they go and they pay a lot of money at a really nice store for an expensive piece of meat that has a lot of claims on it, they think it's coming from one of those things.

And nine times out of 10, it's not. And so I think when you say regenerative, you mean an animal that lived an evolutionarily consistent life in a symbiotic fashion with the ecosystem and the landscape that it evolved in such that it provided a positive outcome on that landscape. The landscape is healthier, the animal is healthier, the community that it came from is healthier. That is the manifestation of what consumers are looking for and want when they're going and looking for meat and buying meat with claims, especially when they're paying actively and intentionally paying a premium for something they think is better. So that's what I would say at the highest level, what regenerative represents is it represents what consumers are showing that they expect and are demanding a whole lot more detail into that. Regeneration. You know, I like to think about industrial agriculture as the opposition of that, which is chemical and mechanical warfare

against nature. It's controlling and dominating life. And so when you think about energy goes where energy flows or life begets life, when you eat from an industrial system, you are consuming death and suffering. The regenerative is the option. You don't have to eat that way. Animals have this beautiful symbiotic way. They co-evolve with mother nature for millennia. Bison specifically in North America, where our most fertile food

systems were gifted to us a blessing from those animals. And so we should highlight and allow those animals to express that regenerative potential because they're truly regenerative beings. So if industrial agriculture is opposition of life force, regenerative agriculture is embracing and amplifying life force. totally agree with you on that. Somebody messaged me the other day. It was something about kale. And I was like, I don't eat kale. One, I never liked it. It was just a strange texture. But I don't eat it because one, I don't like it. But two, there's been so many things that come out just like the way that you mass produce this stuff and the chemicals that go on to a lot of these plants. And I think a lot of times people think they're doing a good thing because it's green and it's a vegetable. They don't realize all the shit that had to go into producing that at mass scale. So I want you guys to talk about that a little bit as well, because when I hear about an animal and how much meat it provides just with one animal,

one of those animals could feed a family for, I mean, some of those for a year, depending on how big it is. And when I think about the other side of it, it requires a lot of chemical production to produce at scale a lot of these crops. And I think a lot of people are misinformed about that. They just read organic and think that they're getting a great product. Yeah. I can show you a picture as a follow-up of a photo I took on one side of a long highway. On the left side, there was an organic farm, actually the largest organic farm in the world. I think it's something like 40,000 acres. On the right side of the highway is a regenerative bison ranch that we work with and we purchase bison from. Happens to be the bison

ranch where they film Dances with Wolves. And it was at the right time of year where they had just, you know, in order to avoid spraying toxic herbicides, but wanting to control for weeds, they had just tilled this 40,000 acres. People don't think much of tilling because it's just common. You run a tractor with a till behind it. They don't realize that 25% of life on earth lives in the first eight inches of soil. And that life is what instills fertility into the ground. And that brings the energy of the sun in the form of carbohydrates and puts those sugars into the soil to feed that life and spits off oxygen for us and sequesters carbon out of the atmosphere and all these incredible things. And that it protects the soil by not

being tilled up, et cetera. And that 30% of the legacy load of carbon that's man-made in the atmosphere is caused from tilling because it oxidizes the carbon that we are all carbon-based life and it sends it up into the atmosphere. So all these horrible things come from tilling. Tilling is just awful, but that's the alternative to spraying herbicides in an organic system. And so when you go back to this, now imagining this photo on one side of the road, it looks like the surface of the moon. There's nothing there. It is barren of life because it was just tilled. The other side of the road, it is functioning, thriving grasslands, a diverse ecosystem. There are pollinators, there are birds, there are multiple

species of mammals and everything that you can imagine, including bison. And it's like, well, that right there is the epitome of an organic plant-based food system compared to a regenerative animal-based food system. One is teeming and thriving with life, like Taylor was explaining and defining regenerative. And the other is void of it. And again, I'm not here to disparage organic. I think it's an important milestone and we would all agree, please don't put poison directly onto my food. Actually, just don't use poison, but certainly don't put it directly onto my food. And so, yeah, when it goes back to this idea of what is regenerative. Regenerative is saying, hey, look, these landscapes have this fertility

because nature has these incredible cycles, this energy cycle, water cycle, nutrient cycle, carbon cycle. And when you farm in a way that celebrates those cycles and works with them and you move animals around like herds of megafauna or herds of bison moving across the landscape, when you let all of that diversity sing and thrive, you end up instilling and creating and building upon fertility

versus the existing industrial system. Even in what we would have thought a few years ago was the best version of it, you are mining that fertility and degrading the land. So I think, again, to the answer of what is regenerative, to the answer of what would people not recognize about the health consequences of the plant-based and vegetable-based system. And the other thing I would say is, and you kind of talked about some of the vegan myths that we've all been misled by, going back to that side-by-side on that road, that regenerative operation, that healthy grassland has about a billion sentient life forms per acre.

What does that mean? It's like a 56,000 acre ranch. Sentience means like the capacity to know that you're alive and you're interacting with your environment. You can think and feel. So if you till 100 acres, you're saying you're killing 100 billion sentient beings. Yes. Ecological desert. Yeah, there's no life force there.

Well, I think what humans are good at is discounting some of those life forms that are maybe smaller life forms or maybe- Less cute. Less cute or maybe, yeah, exactly. They don't have the big eyes to search you, but they can't, and they're able to discount those life forms

in a way that they can't other. And I just, you know, I think that that's a blind spot that we have as humanity. It's like if all life is equal and that's the belief that you have, then you have to treat those beings the same as the other beings. And we're decimating some of those beings, some of the practices we have in the name of maybe better for you or what we think is better for you or good. When really it's now at this point proven maybe not to be.

Yeah, there's no such thing as a diet that doesn't depend on death because that just defies the cycle of nature. It's birth, life, death, decay. It's a cycle. It's inescapable. And so for you to consume energy, something has to lose its life.

And that's a disconnection. And it's manifested in this reality that less than 1% of Americans have actually been out to a farm in which they buy their vegetables or their meat. And it's this disconnection with source, with the land that allows these systems to perpetrate. And so it's like, for me, if you come out to my ranch, you can be a hardcore vegan, please come out and see what I'm doing with your opinions. And then let's go over to my neighbor's ranch who's tilling and has a monoculture of plant-based chemical industrial stuff. And you tell me which one is more conducive for life and which one is more kind to an ecosystem.

And you are lying to yourself if you're not picking the regenerative system where plants and animals are together. I want you guys to go off on that because my friend and trainer went to your farm, Brent, shout out, Bodies by Brent. And he said that the process of the way that you guys handle the animals is very interesting. And he told me there's a thing where the animals all stand around and sort of mourn the animal. Can you talk us through what he meant by that? animals is very interesting. And he told me there's a thing where the animals all stand around and sort of mourn the animal. Can you talk us through what he meant by that? Yeah, we do field harvest at the ranch in Fredericksburg, which by the way, you'll have to come out. We eat raw liver, by the way, hot liver, and it tastes like a gala apple.

Promise you, it's going to blow your mind. I mean, we do all this stuff. We get pretty weird, but it's amazing. Y'all can get weird with us. But what you're explaining is there's this complexity when we harvest the bison, all of nature is paying attention, is intimately present to a phase shift, an energy transformation that we can't perceive. But there's subtle energies all around us that flow through us, that flow above us, that flow within us. And there is a release of energy and it's shifting into a particle state back into the ethers. And the entire bison herd comes around and they all circle that down to animal. And they're feeling that expression of release of life. And I mean, the bird song changes, we have insects, butterflies come and swarm in and manifest in that area. We'll have migratory birds all day circling that area. So it's something really beautiful that we have the ability to peek beneath the veil and kind of see life in a different lens. But we allow the herd to have that moment. It's important. And then we move them and then they get excited about fresh grass and then everyone comes out there and they touch that animal and they thank it and they pray over it or say a poem or sing a song

and we drink some live blood or we drink some blood flowing from it and it's just such a beautiful way to connect back to the source of all life what does blood do is there benefits of drinking blood you know it's like life force to me. What does it taste like? It tastes like minerals. It tastes like sea salt. Have you ever put sea salt in water or something like that and drink it? And all animals are different, which is kind of fun. Some of it's super mild and some of it's a little bit intense. But yeah, we'll share that.

Everyone puts their finger on it and drinks it. It's just a really beautiful way to connect back to that animal and show some reverence for it. Do you guys like raw milk? I was just about to say there are some tribes in Africa that would be putting that blood in raw milk. Well, a lot of the Mongolians, they were able to travel off such far vast spaces of land because they would mix the mare milk of their horse with the blood when

they needed to escape or go for far distances. And that was what sustained them. So it's funny because I think people are quick to discount how we got here. They just assume, you know, like a lot of these diets we're talking about, like this was just how you lived life. You didn't go to the grocery store back then and grab a bunch of stuff. They didn't have all these different items. This is how you sustain. The micro plastic chicken on aisle two. It's funny. We were talking to Gwyneth Paltrow the other day of all people. And I said, we're talking about raw milk. And I said, 50, 60, 100 years ago, it was just milk. There's no such thing as raw milk. This is just milk. These are things that we've done in the last 50,

60, 70 years where we created these new subcategories and we've gotten away from the ways that we've evolved over thousands and thousands of years. Yeah. When you say drinking blood, like that doesn't strike me. I think a lot of people hear that now and they can't fathom it, but this is how cultures and societies thrive for thousands of years. Well, like Taylor said a moment ago with the, with the Harvey's like, we'll get weird. And it's like, no, that's not weird. That's like what humans have done forever. It's only weird where we live today, where the world that we exist in today, where that is considered the odd thing

is that you would engage in a community of people and a really beautiful celebration of life and participate in this system and have and form a deep and meaningful relationship. We have such reverence for an animal, but also recognize that it was put here with a role to sustain life. And this is that event happening for you. And even the rest of the herd that gathers around the animal to pay, you know, as we would consider pay their respects, recognizes that role they play. It's like

it is connecting in the natural order of things and probably the most human thing that many folks have ever done, but it looks weird from the modern eye or from the modern perspective. Yeah. And again, I think it's just because we've become so disconnected from the sources of our food. People don't realize that just walking into... I don't feel morally better walking into a store and grabbing something out of a meat... You hear hunters will talk about feeling connected to their food because they have to spend a bunch of time and then carry the animal and harvest it and all of these things. And to me, that is more morally sound to go and hunt your own food than going to a store and just pulling it off a shelf with no connection to it and also no connection to where it came from.

Does that make sense? Yeah. No one wakes up for one of our bison field harvest in the morning and says, today I'm going to drink blood or eat raw liver. What happens is you're in this hyper-present state where epigenetics inside you are literally turning back on. It's forgotten wisdom that your great, great, great, great grandparents expressed in every generation before that, 600 generations ago. And you're turning things on that makes sense and you're plugging back in in the most intimate way to nature.

And that's one vehicle to do it. There's many other ways to do it. But when you're in the moment, it just makes so much sense. And it feels so right. And there's never a dry eye out there. But the tears aren't of sorrow for the animal. The tears are for like reconnecting to something that's greater than all of us. It's life changing.

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Taylor actually like runs a ranch. I like live in a neighborhood. Are you out grounding every morning? Like, tell me what you're doing. Grounding so hard. Absolutely. Grounding all of my body. Getting outside. I live in the country, so I can get naked. I can get full spectrum sunlight morning, afternoon, and night. You're a sun in your butthole.

I don't do that one. It's good. I have before, but it wasn't really for me. My wife thought it was a little odd. My dog one time accidentally came up and snuck attacked me. And that was a weird relationship with my dog now. You don't need your dog blowing you in the morning. Yeah, exactly. We're good. Those whiskers got your attention. Yeah, they tickled a little bit. But no, I mean, earthing is powerful.

Going outside, getting that sunlight right now, that's masterful. And then just saying gratitude to the cosmos, to the earth. I'll talk to plants. I'll talk to plants. I'll talk to my animals. What are you guys eating? So like for me, it's like, because like family, right? I mean, community, this is an important primal things, right? So it's daughter first thing, breakfast with family, workout,

ground while watering my plants and getting sun and throwing the ball for my dog. That's like my wake up. Yes, we have chickens. They have a lot of chickens. I got a few. son and throwing the ball for my dog. That's like my, that's like my wake up, but I eat, yes, we have chickens. They have a lot of chickens. I got a few. It's really important for me that my daughter sees us like producing food and sees, and sees animals. But I mean, we eat a lot of, my daughter's two and a half years old and she'll eat like two pieces of force of nature sausage and two eggs in the morning. Like she is practically a carnivore. She's such a beast. It's like breakfast sausages and ancestral blend meats is what my family lives on. Well, yeah, there you go. What are we eating? Like a lot, a lot of that,

like I'll get busy and I will just get some like really good organic vegetables and make a stir fry with ancestral blend, you know, like one package of vegetables, two packages of ancestral blend, very meat centric, but that's, you know, meat, meat, meat. I try to just, and red meat. We don't eat a lot of poultry. Why do you think that a lot of people have said you can't eat red meat every day? Is that just propaganda? I think there was a war on saturated fat that's getting corrected. I think people are realizing like, oh, coconut oil, avocado, these are saturated fats. And like, oh, our brain needs cholesterol to run and cholesterol makes up our cells. And I think we're coming back from this Ancel Keys war on unsaturated fat. And I think red meat just got caught up in it.

And then I think that there's some polarizing sort of religious-esque views on animals. And cows just happen to be the biggest, to your point, Michael, animals in the food production system. And so the idea of killing a large, beautiful animal is really difficult for some people to accept. And so I think there's a number of reasons like that, especially when you look at how they are typically and conventionally raised. And you see these feedlots, and it's just a tragedy to see animals shoulder to shoulder in filth. These systems are the reason 80% of antibiotics used in the U.S. are used in that industrial animal system. They are used as growth promotants, and it takes something like that to sustain life in an environment that's not compatible with life.

It's truly horrific. But that same thing exists for chicken, which has been growing in consumption on pounds, dollars and per capita consumption. So it's not just those other factors. I think it's the saturated fat and those things. Say somebody is, has not been eating meat, but they are listening to this or they've been, you know, getting more informed and they're thinking about starting to eat meat again. What are some of the things from your from both of your perspectives that they can start getting now from meat sources that they're probably not getting if they don't have meat in their diet? Because I think a lot of times people think they can get some of the same substance in

different diets and maybe you can get some of it, but I believe you can't get all the things that meat provides. And I just would love to hear your perspective. Like if you have had no meat in your diet and now you're thinking, okay, I'm going to take the plunge. What are some of the things you think they're going to start benefiting from immediately? I mean, just from my wife's perspective, you know, being plant-based for a really long time,

she had challenges with B12, with iron deficiencies, and that's a global thing. And so- So energy will be off, all sorts of stuff. Yeah. Energy will be off. And also, yeah, you're just not feeling like you're living at your highest potential, your highest frequency. And so for her to reintroduce that in such a potent way that's bioavailable too, with our species has been eating for 250,000 years, it's not hard to make that transition. I think there's more apprehension,

but once people actually dip their toe in the water, there's no turning back. I've heard tons of stories of people saying like, man, this plant-based diet wasn't working for me. I wasn't feeling great. And then I made this switch and this pivot and started eating more meat. Hallelujah. Praise be. But I've never heard the opposite where someone said, I've been eating regenerative whole food diet based with meat front and center, and it didn't work for me. And so I went plant based and it saved my life. Well, and the ease of getting, you know, like we know, we know protein's big too, right? So getting enough protein, depending on what you're, where you're at and what some of your goals are, but you cannot get all of the essential amino acids from a plant

based diet. You can from a meat based diet and they're bioavailable and it's more nutrient dense. And so, you know, kind of that same example of those micronutrients of need, you know, it takes less meat to get the right amount of protein or those amino acids versus like bowls and bowls and bowls and monster bowls of kale or beans or whatever this other thing may be. Leave us with all the benefits that you've seen. And maybe you guys have testimonials from people. Like tell us about all the benefits that you've seen. And maybe you guys have testimonials from people. Tell us about all the weird benefits. You mentioned beauty. Anything that you know about meat.

One that I feel is important for women who are pregnant. You are what you eat. You guys already alluded to that. That's a fact. And so what you put in your body, the matter that you chew will become you. And it will become your unborn child. Like you're literally developing this. So that's why I have a meatball. The cells of their body.

My little meatball. Yeah. I mean, that is the greatest investment and the greatest gift. And so to be able to provide that beautiful child, the best opportunity, the best foot forward in life, there's no other way to nurture yourself as a mother to create life by eating foods that are from systems that are abundant in life.

I love that. Any other benefits that you want to leave for our audience? Any crazy testimonials? And we have had, I mean, number one, I think we live in a world full of challenges, especially as you're talking about being a father or mother and having children, you know, like setting your kids up for success in a world where they are, you know, one in four girls are going to be depressed. That's the data today. It's horrifying, you know? And so it's like, again, all of the mental health benefits, all the physical benefits and the benefits on energy and your metabolism and so on and so forth. But we talked a little bit about vegans and you had said somebody who might be meat curious perhaps.

We have so many testimonials of vegans that started eating meat and they were drawn to our company for the values that we represent, which again, as Taylor kind of noted, sort of stem from a vegan history. Like the people that'll come in and like write us these like gut-wrenching heartfelt, like I haven't been able to conceive for years. And then I started reincorporating meat and particularly your products. And all of a sudden, like we were able to get pregnant and, and like, I'm feeling better and energy, like that's an incredible story. Then, oh, I was so depressed. I was suicidal. I didn't feel like I had a purpose in life. And I started reincorporating and eating. I was eating meat before, but I started improving, paying attention and being more conscious of what system I'm a part

of and eating meat that I felt like started bringing value into my life, not just into my body that changed my whole life and perspective. And now I'm doing this incredible thing and I'm really proud and fulfilled every day. I mean, the list goes on and on. We get hundreds and hundreds of these letters all of the time from people. I mean, you said walking in here about how important it was to you, you know, like those are, those are remarkable testimonials from people from a variety of different backgrounds and, and, and on different journeys that are just seeing incredibly profound benefits, not of doing anything remarkable, just like introducing healthy quality meat from a system

that is values-based and is promoting value in your life over cheapness at the register. I think what the craziest thing for me has been is the more force of nature that I eat, because I eat, as we know, a lot of meat all day long, the more I crave it. It's so weird. Have you guys heard this? Like I said, deer for breakfast, huh? It's not like I am trying to be controversial when I say that. My body craves it. Your body likes what it's getting from it. It likes it. And that's what I've really tapped into. I feel more confident from that because it is a primal thing in my body. The more I eat it, the more I crave it. I can't imagine going out to

even eat and not ordering it. It's like I want it. Have you heard that? It's funny. I don't want to get too nerdy. And I got warned not to just go on full full nerd mode who warned you several people apparently you have a fairly large following lots of fans out there but we had a we had a presenter at a conference that we hosted a friend of mine a guy named fred provenza he wrote a book called nourishment super interesting and one of the things that he spent his life studying is he was like hey like i go around looking at animals like nobody like they don't like the fda or the world health organization or the president doesn't tell them what to eat and they somehow end up raising, eating the right things and being healthy and they can eat 50, 60, 70 different things in a pasture at any given

time. Where is this coming from? It's like, well, it's, it's this innate fundamental natural wisdom we all have. And so, you know, Lauren, that's like your body, your body knows. And by the way, like the, the flora in our gut, this relationship and the symbiosis we have with our microbiome, which is largely not us, also knows. And so they're giving you signals. Those cravings are, let's not imagine, that's real intangible. That's the wisdom of nature and the wisdom of our body saying, you need this, you want this, this is good for you.

This is giving you everything that we need to thrive. I want to say something that some people may not like. Wouldn't be the first time I said something people don't like. But I think one of the difficulties, especially now in the culture that we're in, is people attribute their identity to a diet, right? Or they say they're a specific thing and they form a lot of their identity based off of this, you know, a certain way of eating. And people do it with meat, people do it with plants. But I think the difficulty with saying I am this or I am that from a dietary standpoint turns the signals that you're talking about off because it's a way for you to disregard what your body's really trying to say to you because you've told yourself, no, I'm this thing. And so you're able to ignore maybe some of

the things your body's saying to you. Does that make sense? If you've told yourself, I eat this specific way and not this way, your body may be signaling to you, Does that make sense? If you've told yourself, I eat this specific way and not this way, your body may be signaling to you, hey, you need these things, but your mind is then able to overpower. And I think we've gotten really good at turning the signals off and getting, again, getting further away from what we should be doing from a- Got to listen to your antennas. I was going to say, we're antennas. Yeah, exactly. And what you're describing is an antenna that is out of tune because antennas receive information and transmit information. When you

can dial that in and you plug back into something that's greater than yourself, you have the awareness to know what your body needs. It's innate. People do it with everything. I mean, like even if you take politics, if you tell yourself you're a certain type of way and you're only that way, you're going to ignore all the other stuff and all the other information because you've made it part of your identity, which I think like identity, anything is, is dangerous. Why we like talking to so many different people in so many different walks of life is it keeps the antenna sharp, right? Like we need to, we need to hear information, even if it's counter to what we believe to like hone in on, you know, what makes the most sense

for the way we live our life. But you know, when you get so focused in on like, I am this specific thing, I lean this way politically, I eat this way, I'm this identity, you're just ignoring a thousand signals that are potentially coming to you. Yeah, I think there's a tragedy. So much of the polarization that we see in life today is a result of that, a lack of curiosity, a lack of open mindedness and willingness to be humble and listen and learn well after this episode I'm going to eat my ancestral blend

every single day I'm going to ground and I'm going to make Michael sun his butthole and make sure my dog is right next to him and don't forget the chewy cuts we're in the suburbs right now if our neighbors look over I'm sorry

you guys I didn't ask you this can we do a code for our audience yeah we actually got one for you we made we made sure that so it is him and her 15 okay 15 off which is a big number on a on a on a big box of meat i would recommend the ancestral blend i also love your ground beef so much but i feel like i need to try the um the sausages and we will be using our own code now. I will be using my own code. Him and her 15 force of nature.com at force of nature meets on Instagram.

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going to tell you otherwise, but meet a farmer near you, shake somebody's hand, eat more meat. Don't have to buy from us, but definitely follow us. We just want to educate you. We want to connect people to these issues in food. So please just read the blogs, listen to the content, learn, get closer to where your food's coming from and who's producing your food. Thank you guys so much. I do want to tell you, I heard about you initially from Joe Rogan. Is that where a lot of people have said they've heard about you guys? Come up a couple of times. Joe Rogan, I heard him on his podcast talk about you guys and I went and bought and fell in love with it. So you know if he approves of it too. It's 10 out of 10. I love your meat. Thanks for

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