The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Tomi Lahren - Is It Still Ok To Have Conversations In The USA?

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

#712: Today we're joined by Tomi Lahren. Tomi is an American conservative political commentator and television presenter. She is the host of OutKick’s Tomi Lahren is Fearless. Many of her videos went viral, with The New York Times describing her as "the Right's rising media star." She joins us today for a conversation surrounding owning who you are, the problems with the USA, and why it's important to be able to view different perspectives. She also shares insight into her private life and routines, how she deals with public hate, and dating as a controversial public figure. To connect with Tomi Lahren click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn’s favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog It's never been easier to invest in your dog's health with fresh food. Get 50% off your first box & free shipping by going to thefarmersdog.com/skinny This episode is brought to you by Beis Beis has thought of everything you could ever want in a piece of luggage...360 degree gliding wheels, a cushioned handle, built-in weight indicator, washable bags for your dirty clothes, and all the interior pockets you need to keep organized. Go to beistravel.com/skinny for 15% off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Eight Sleep Head to eightsleep.com/skinny and use code SKINNY to get $350 off Pod 4 Ultra. They currently ship to the US, Canada, UK, Europe and Australia This episode is brought to you by Lipton Green tea is a great ally for wellness and a simple way to up your everyday healthy habits. Try new Lipton Green Tea! This episode is brought to you by HVMN Go to KETONE.com/SKINNY & save 30% off your first subscription order & receive a free six-pack of Ketone-IQ. Produced by Dear Media

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Aha! I read nasty comments and then I read nice comments and I just, they cancel each other out for me. Really, I'm equal opportunity for people to hate me. I get just as many conservatives that'll say things about me as the liberals. It really is a grab bag of, you know, pick your poison. Whether it's they don't like your politics or they don't like the way that you look or they don't like what you stand for or whatever it is. It really does not bother me. I've learned long ago that if somebody is not important to me, why do I care what they think about me? I don't. And that's just a line I've had to draw because I've started at 21 doing this. So I feel like I've grown up in it. So it had to not bother me from a

really young age. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Today, we have Tommy Lahren on the show. I am sure this one is going to fire the people up. Listen, it's going to be okay, everybody. It's okay to hear different views here and there. Let's see what you all think. But before you jump to conclusions, let's listen first or honestly, not listen and just turn us off. There's plenty of options on the internet. A little sprinkle of conversation is always fun. For those of you who do not know who Tommy is, Tommy is an American conservative political commentator and television presenter. She is the host of OutKick's Tommy Lahren is Fearless and a regular commentator on Fox News. In this episode, we will talk about why she wanted to work in politics,

different perspectives, how she handles being a public figure, the hate, why she was fired from a conservative network, her morning routine, beauty, health, wellness, dating, how she deals with owning who you are. With that, Tommy Lahren, welcome to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. I am so excited to pick your brain about all the things that no one asked you about. I feel like this is the perfect podcast for it. Absolutely. But first, I just want to get some context on you. Okay. Talk to us a little bit about your childhood, where you grew up, how you grew up. Was it a political family? So I grew up in South Dakota, which most people don't talk about up until, you know, our governor shot the dog and people talked about that.

But most people don't talk about South Dakota that much. You'll probably know that story because you lightly follow politics, right? A little bit. Yeah. So born and raised in South Dakota. My whole family still lives in South Dakota. So I'm very much like a Midwest, very Midwest. Both my parents grew up on ranches. So for me, going to all the different places I've gone to, my whole family is still in South Dakota. So I wouldn't say it's a

political family, but it's South Dakota. You know, it's definitely more conservative leaning. It's more blue collar. It's more, you know, your average American that we talk about a lot. That's how I grew up. So when you look back, was there a moment or an epiphany where you wanted to get into politics when you were really little? Or is this later on? I've always wanted to talk about politics, mostly because nobody was talking about people like me from where I'm from. People really gloss over the flyover states. That's why they call them the flyover states. So people don't really pay attention to us, or at least we don't feel that way. The forgotten Americans, as some would

dub us. I felt like no one really cared about the way that we live our lives and what we want. And I thought people in news were on the coasts or and they were in Washington, D.C. It's like, what about us average people out here that kind of make the country run, but don't get a lot of spotlight? And I always wanted to be someone that could do that. So I started at a pretty young age doing that. I will say sometimes on the coast, both coasts, we do kind of forget sometimes that it's like not just about the coasts. There's this funny story in Jerry Weintraub's book. He represented, did he represent Elvis? No, well, he was telling a story about Elvis's manager and he was saying, and the colonel, and Jerry Weintraub was saying like, hey, I know it wasn't Jerry Weintraub, but the colonel was saying, hey, sometimes you people forget the people in the middle, that's where all the customers are.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Which is why Fox News is so successful because Fox News says, look at the middle of the country. We want to talk to you. We care about you. So that's another reason I'm happy to be. I mean, if you're in conservative media, the pinnacle is Fox News. So starting at Fox News when I was 25, after being at two other networks prior to that, that was obviously a huge deal for me. So that's being in conservative media and being at Fox News for people that grew up where I grew up. I mean, that is our kind of our Hollywood. That's the mountain.

That's our Academy Awards or whatever you want to call it as being at Fox News. No, but I think it's interesting being in media here. And we're in a different kind of media. And like I said, I loosely follow politics. I'm aware of what's going on, but I wouldn't say that I'm so invested. Maybe I should be a little more invested, but I do it mostly for sanity reasons. But I think people sometimes when they get pigeonholed left, right, whatever it is, they kind of forget that there's this massive audience on both sides and that there's a lot of people that think differently than them. And one thing I've learned doing this show is I have very strong opinions and perspectives, but many people don't share those opinions or perspectives. But I still I want to have the conversation and learn. Right. And I think we've gotten to a place where we're kind of like it's like you either think this way or you don't. And if you don't, I don't want to listen.

Does that make sense? Yeah. And that really started in 2016, I think. And that was a really polarizing time. I moved to LA in 2017. So I was in the hotbed of it when it was really divided and really polarized. And living in LA was a different experience for me, certainly. But it's one that I enjoy because I like talking to people that don't agree with me. And I like to coexist with people who don't agree with me, as long as there's not physical violence involved, which is always a different story. But I think we need to have more conversations and remember that people are at their core, really more alike than we are different. But things have gotten to such a place where we've forgotten how to have conversations. Yeah. There's like that old

Abraham Lincoln quote. So as I say, it's like, I don't like that man. I must get to know him better. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I talked about that the other day. I was like doing this show for as long as we've done it. There is not, I don't think there's been one person that we've met. We're like, Oh, at the core, that person's an evil or bad person. People, you know, depending on how you're, you brought up, your upbringing, your parents, you know, where you live, you kind of come to your decisions and the way you think in life based on a lot of that. Right. And so I think I'm able at this point to meet every person as an individual, I think Lauren too, and, and kind of hear their story and say, oh, okay, like this is why this person thinks this

way or that. I may not agree with everything, but at least I can get to that place. Yeah. And conservatives, we love hair and makeup and fashion and Bravo and reality TV. I'm like probably the number one conservative spokesperson for Bravo, at least as a fan. So I think reminding people that we have a lot of similarities and we don't just exist to do politics all the time. And that's not what makes me live and breathe every day. I love my country, but there's a whole other element of my life that is probably more similar to maybe your average liberal out there in some ways and some things that I consume and do. So it's good to have conversations. We need to have more of them. What is it like you looking the way you look coming into such a man's world? I'm sure you use it to your advantage.

Listen, I started at 21. So I was the youngest political talk show host ever. But I was coming out 21, like right out of UNLV in Las Vegas. And so people were caught off guard when I was saying the things that I was saying with the passion that I was saying them with. And so it was controversial right off the bat. But I'll tell you this. I write about it in my book, but it's humbling because you've got people that will tell you how great looking you are. And then one comment down, people will tell you how ugly you are or that you are, you know, you're you look like a hooker or you look like a porn star.

People only look at you or talk to you because of the way you look. And then someone tells you actually that you're ugly. And anybody in media and anybody in doing anything, they understand that because just look at any social media feed. I mean, it's mostly negative. There's so many negative comments to everything. But you really don't get yourself too gassed up or too low because for every nasty comment, I've got maybe five nice comments. So you balance it out. But yeah, I mean, I work at Fox News with a lot of beautiful women. I believe that Fox News has the most beautiful women. That's just my personal opinion. And objectively speaking, maybe it's's true but for me being young and doing what I'm doing you know I think it depends on where you are in the country and it depends on where

you are politically and it depends on where the people who are talking about you are in the country and politically how they're going to respond to you because someone could call me ugly because they hate my politics or call me beautiful because they love my politics. What about within the office with politics to me? And maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like politics has a lot of men in it. It seems it leans more masculine, I would say. And you come into the office, was there pushback there or was it neutral? Not at Fox News. We have so many women at Fox News. Oh, okay. Most of my greatest friends and colleagues at Fox News are women and the people that have really inspired me. And to be quite honest with you, the people that run Fox News are women. Our CEO is a woman. And a lot of people don't like to

talk about that. But Suzanne Scott is a female and she runs Fox News. And we have so many women that are in charge of really every facet from graphics to the typical things like wardrobe, but also production. I mean, most of our most successful EPs are female. So for me coming in at Fox News, it's a very female friendly environment. And I would say largely driven by women. I would say like a majority of people probably have across all news organizations, maybe a misconception about how many of them run. Right. I think like from, we see the end thing. We see the end, we see you go on the news or, you know, a pundit somewhere else.

That's what we see. For someone that's maybe just unfamiliar of the whole, like what is kind of like the inside, the guts look like every day when you're not actually on air? Well, I live in Nashville and Fox is in New York. So I broadcast from a home studio and then also the back of a moonshine distillery

when I do my Outkick show. So it's a very different environment. But honestly, I've worked at other networks and those networks were not the most positive experiences for me. I started out at One America News with an 80-something-year-old male boss who called me a bimbo pretty freely.

That was a different experience. I went to The Blaze and I worked for Glenn Beck, who I had to end up getting in a lawsuit with because he tried to fire me for saying I was pro-choice when I went on The View. So it's been a different experience at those other networks. There's a lot. And a lot of, a lot that I've been through there.

Fox to me is a completely different ballgame. Like there is no behind the curtain. But of course, there's technical elements in that. But as far as the people and how kind everyone is and supportive of one another, everybody is. I'm telling you, compared to the other two conservative networks I've been to, Fox News is just, it is a paradise. I think what people think about many of the kind of like quote unquote mainstream outlets, like we do this podcast and there's literally nobody telling me what to do or not do. Obviously I've started it. Like there's no, I guess there's no censorship or like, Hey, you have to do this or not do this or have this person, this app. And that's freeing

obviously, but it's a podcast. But I think there's this notion that if you're at one of the main streams, like how, what are the guardrails that exist? Are you allowed to talk about whatever you want, however you want? Or are there things that you can't do, things you can do? What does that look like? Well, for people that follow me, I think they know that I'm pretty unbridled. I always have been. I've been pretty controversial for that exact reason. That's why I've kind of put a target on my own back through the number of years I've been doing this because I'm very outspoken and I say things that people might not necessarily want to hear.

I talk about things that, you know, you're told that you're not really supposed to talk about or that you can't be an authority on or you can't have an opinion on. I talk about those things and that has rubbed people wrong for a very long time. But at Fox, I mean, we have, we can't say things that are obviously going to offend an audience in such a way that it's going to be dirty or it's going to be,

you know, explicit. But I say what I need to say. And nobody tells me I can't say what I need to say. I'm there because they value what I need to say. And they like the way that I say it. And I am certainly more direct than a lot of folks. A lot of people at Fox are direct. I am very direct. I am very uncensored and unfiltered. And I've always felt that I can be that way at Fox. Where does that come from, the uncensoredness and the drive? Like, were you born like this? I was probably. I mean, people are good at a variety of different things, music, sports. This has always been what I'm good at is speaking and speaking politically or speaking my opinion. But when people ask me, how do you, you know, express yourself or why are you not afraid what people think about you? And it's weird to me that some people are, to be honest. Some people tell me, and I used to living in

California for the three years that I lived in L.A., people would come up to me and say like, oh, I'm I'm a conservative, too, but I can't tell anybody. You know, I wouldn't want anyone to know that I was a conservative. And they think like, what's it like? You know, people openly hate you or you go somewhere and people are, you know, shoot dagger eyes at you, especially in L.A. or New York. Like, what's that like for me? I ask them, what is it like for you to know you have these feelings and opinions and convictions, but you are so afraid to share them with people. What is that like for you? Because that seems far more terrifying.

I go somewhere, people know who I am, and they're going to probably love or hate me either way. And that's freeing to me. It is freeing to me not to have to be like, and this is my politics. You know my politics, like take it or leave it. Dating and finding people to date and everything that I've been through

until I found my husband, like at least you know where I stand. It's not like, oh, I wonder if we have to have that talk about our politics and our religion. I walk in the door and you already know. So if you're there, you probably are OK with it or you most likely agree. It's because we've gone to a place where I think depending on which way you lean, both sides have decided that they are the moral authority. Like you lean left, you're morally correct. You lean right, you're morally incorrect and vice versa. We've been alive a little while now. There's people much older than us, but there was pre-2016, there wasn't that. It was more like, hey, let's discuss these issues. There was no like, if you're

this, you're the moral, you know what I mean? And I think that becomes very challenging. So people are scared because they don't want to be on what is deemed the morally incorrect side. I think most people, politics aside, are scared to be outed. They're scared to be outside of the herd. They're scared to be thinking in a counter way to be disincluded from the majority, right? The most interesting thing to me about doing, I think you i i really i hope everybody likes me i care less if they don't right i've always been that way so it's lauren like that's just that's so we've never pandered to people that don't like because you don't like it's like go listen something else or don't follow there's plenty of options but i can understand why many

people are so terrified about being disliked or being kicked out of the group or not being part of the quote unquote majority or right side, whatever it may be. I think it's sad that people feel that way and can't be themselves. I think if you ask the majority of people, most likely many of them hold back what they really think, not just in politics, about many things, but especially now in politics, I feel that if people are scared to put themselves out there and lose their job Lose a partnership lose a friend be outed from their fan like kovat this period of time like their families got broken up Friends like I know people that start I know we I can't put on blast so much But we had a show here that was incredible and the two hosts disagreed on What I would deem now a political issue and they blew up their whole fucking show and quit and got rid of all the revenue and shut it down

purely because of that. And they had been doing this for eight, nine years. And I remember looking at that and being like, wow, that is wild. You know what I don't understand? And maybe I'm naive. Why does anyone care about what someone else thinks or believes? If it's not hurting someone. Why does anyone...

I don't understand why anyone cares. That's what I... And I've never been able to understand that. And Michael says that I don't... That I'm thinking the way I think and I'm not putting myself in anyone's shoes. Like, I don't care. Why can't everyone just believe what they want to believe? Because I think if you take it to the step where you believe if somebody else thinks counter to the way you think it's a

threat to your way of life right and then all of a sudden you're threatening their life right that's I really think people go that far with it it's like this if you on this and listen in many cases like for certain issues maybe I I can understand why people get there but I think that's what it is is like you think differently than me and that is a threat to the way that I exist and the way that I live and to my family. And I think that's why they get so primal about it. Yeah, no, they do. It is. It's a tribal instinct that's really been cultivated post 2016 because people lost their minds when Donald Trump got elected.

Before that, you were kind of political. You weren't. You really didn't have to be political. You didn't really have to pick a side unless you were super nerdy. You probably didn't care if you were a Republican or a Democrat. And then Trump got elected and people lost it. And then it became like, well, you must not be a Trump supporter or you must not be a conservative because they drew a line in the sand. But to your point, I rarely talk to liberals and I have friends who are liberal, who are Democrat democrat two of my best friends

liberal democrat voted for Joe Biden but I rarely meet a liberal or a democrat who is afraid to voice their opinion I meet a whole lot of conservatives that are that are I liberals walk into a room and kind of tell you how they feel and how they believe and they'll tell you everything about yourself and like it or don't like it. And I admire that about liberals as a group. They are very proud of what they believe in. Conservatives haven't gotten there yet. So that's why I feel like I exist, at least in a way to be so direct and passionate that maybe it'll give conservatives an opportunity to enter the conversation. Because if you can, if everybody can just say how they feel and we can all respect each other for it, then we're playing on an even playing field.

But when we've got conservatives so worried that they're going to offend somebody or so worried that they're going to be called a name, we're not playing on an even playing field at that point. I think like the craziest thing to me, though, I hate the labels of it. I hate being told that I have to pick a side. I like to take I like to look at every single individual. It'd be like me running a company. It's like you do this, I have to look at every different line on it and understand what makes sense and what doesn't.

I think about that a lot. But the challenge is, is that people, when, when, when you, these sides switch, like at,

at one point, liberals were the voices of, you know, freedom of speech and not censoring and not, and not oppressing what you want to say. And conservatives were the ones who was like, Hey, you can't say and speech and not censoring and not, and not oppressing what you want to say. And conservatives were the ones who was like, Hey, you can't say and do certain things. That's like completely flipped, which is total mind fuck to me. Like the conservatives in

the past were like the dorks telling you, you can't say certain, they just were like these evangelicals are like, and not to offend anyone, but it was like, you can't do this. You can't say now it's like, I feel it's like the other way. And so I feel like these labels, they're not doing us any good anymore because there's also been so many things that they flip-flopped on. No, I agree. I think everybody exists on a spectrum of things. I mean, as I said a few minutes ago, I lost my job at a conservative network because I said I was pro-choice. That's a big no-no. There, it was a big no-no. You know, I offended the community. I went on The View and I said just a point that, or a feeling that I've had

for a long time. I'm very limited government. Like that's just me. I'm not pro-abortion. I'm just very limited government. That's my perspective on a lot of things. And I lost my job at a conservative network for that. So I have a view that some conservatives still to this day take a real issue with. And they tell me I'm not a real conservative or this or that. It's on both sides. I mean, I've been cannibalized by my own side many a time. And that's frustrating. How did you know you lost your job? Like, what did that look like? So you go on The View, you say this, and then what happened? Then they told me, don't come back on Monday to do your show. You're suspended indefinitely. That's how it was. was yeah and this is where people just don't come to the building like you're locked out like were you horrified were you shocked were you like oh

this makes sense no i was shocked i was shocked and that's why the lawsuit ensued because and has it been settled yet oh yeah many years ago many years ago and what happened we just settled it's settled we just settled and then you moved to networks obviously but this is what i'm saying about why i think a lot of people are very hesitant to trust some of these platforms, because while maybe there was not a strict set, you can or can't do it. I don't know what the details of the lawsuit, but to me, that's an instance of someone said something that we as a company don't allow it to be said. And so now we got to get rid of like, OK, I run this company, which is different. We're not in politics. Thank God But I don't care and what people on these like I really do nothing to police what anyone's saying here Yeah, and during the pan about I got called about people saying all sorts of stuff. Like what are you gonna do? I'm like nothing. I'm not gonna do anything

My job like someone I don't tell people what to do on some people like I'm even average like I'm not gonna advertise them Okay, great. Don't ever tell them there's other shows you do or you know, I'm not gonna listen Okay people like i'm even advertisers like i'm not gonna advertise them great don't advertise them there's other shows you or you know i'm not gonna listen okay don't like but i don't do you know how much of a clusterfuck would be for me to go and police a hundred different women and shows and say you can do this or not do that and then it's like oh i made an exception for this one but not so i just yeah i think that's these companies are going to get in trouble because how do you police all that especially in a world we live in now where this you know you can have your own voice you have your own voice you know what i mean no exactly which is which is what i love free exactly. Which is what I love. Free speech. Absolutely. That's what we stand for at Fox.

That's what we stand for certainly at Outkick, which is like our subsidiary of Fox that Fox owns now. Really, it's free speech. Absolutely. And that to me should be something that everybody wants to guard and protect. But it doesn't seem to be the case right now. One thing that I love about our audience so much is we have the most thoughtful, generous audience members of any podcast in the entire world. They are so thoughtful that they not only put their health and their family's health as a priority, but they put their dog's health as a priority. And if you don't, I'm going to beat you into doing so right now with one of our favorite partners, The Farmer's Dog. We love the Farmer's Dog because they bring healthier, better alternatives for food to the pets that love us the most, our dogs.

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that people would maybe be surprised when it comes to those things? I love beauty and health and wellness and lifestyle stuff. I love it. Like I said, I'm a big Bravo person. That's, I love that. What's your show?

All of them. And name a Bravo. Summer House? All of them that. What's your show? All of them. Summer House? All of them. Love. I can go into all of them. Don't dislike any of them. I don't dislike any of them. Okay, what is your favorite franchise?

Yeah, you have to pick one right now. Miami or Salt Lake. Ooh, Miami's good. I like Miami. Miami's underrated. I know it's underrated. You know what else is underrated? Potomac.

Last season of Potomac was rough. It was rough, but they always deliver. See, I would disagree on that. You don't think so? I thought the last season of Potomac was eventless. Yeah, we maybe need a little... Well, they're switching the cast. You know what? Of all the shit you get backlash for, that's going to be the thing you get the most. Yeah, there we go. Everybody knew that Potomac, they needed a switch up. That was bad. I didn't see the Potomac one this last season. I also didn't see Miamiami this last season you needed to see miami beverly hills is pretty good too miami you're right yeah miami i thought was better than beverly hills so tell me about your morning routine what do you do when

you wake up because you obviously you have to be i mean i would think to be on television you have to be doing things to prepare right so as far as getting ready i'm a runner so i run about five miles every morning usually seven days a week unless i'm traveling and it's just not possible outside no i have a treadmill in my garage okay and we have a three-car garage my husband is a baseball coach so he's gone about six to seven months a year how nice to have a break that was kind. No, I love my husband. But yes.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Six to seven months? That's a long break. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Go ahead. It does. But we have a corner of the garage that I have sectioned off with panels I bought from Amazon. And that's like Tommy's gym.

And he's not allowed to go in there or just penetrate the walls at all. So I'm really into it. I'm also an only child. So I really like my own space. Lauren, if you touch the garage, we're done. She's giving me some ideas. You have the rest. I got one area in the house and the garage. Garage, that's encroachment. I got to have one area.

Yeah, that's what my husband says as well. And I said, you can have all the areas, just keep them clean. I'm very OCD and I'm very tidy. And that's my biggest thing. My husband's gone six to seven months a year. It doesn't mean I don't see him that many months. He's just not at the house in Nashville. So then when he comes home for what I call the on season, I call the off season when he's gone and the on season when he's home. It's actually flipped because the baseball season would be the baseball season. But when he comes home, I have to relearn how to live with somebody. And you know, you go from living by yourself for six to seven months and then somebody's there and then it's like, I have to relearn. Is your husband a talker in the morning? Like, what's his energy?

Yeah, he's a talker pretty much all the time, but we're both talkers. Okay. But for me, I'm just very tidy and he's just not. Yeah. You know, it takes a lot of effort for him to be tidy or to pick up after himself. And so for me, like relearning how to live with a man is that is probably my biggest struggle. What other beauty and wellness things do you do? Because you're beautiful. Like talk about the hair, the makeup, the eyelashes, the skincare. Like what are all the little things? So I do my own hair and makeup. I never let anybody do it for me. Even when you go on air? No, I always do it.

In Nashville, I don't have anybody. And in New York, it's just like, once you get used to your own face, you just don't let anybody else touch it. I've been done dirty a few times. So no, I do always do my own hair and makeup. So that's probably my biggest routine is just getting ready, doing my own hair and makeup. As far as, I mean, what do you want to know?

Skincare? Skincare. First of all, I love your whole routine and your whole aesthetic. We're getting you the ice roller, the pink balls, the balls on your face, the dry brush. I need to have the patience to do all those things because I'm pretty much just your standard, like wash your face, moisturize, retinol, all good things. But I don't have the patience to do all the different steps. If I was on the news, the main tool that I would use every day is the ice roller. And I'll tell you why. Sometimes you probably have to get up early, right? Very. Okay. When I put makeup on

my skin before 6 a.m., it's like putting makeup on a pig if I have not ice rolled. For me. I'm not talking about you. No, I agree. For me. The ice roller, for especially what you do, I feel like you'll love it. Because it's just going to tighten and create like a... You know how you're puffy? I'm puffy in the morning. Yeah. Especially if I've had a glass of wine. Forget it. So you want that ice. Okay. I feel like I need to do that. Yeah. It's like a news announcer's dream to have ice. I'm going to bring it to Fox News. I mean, you don't look like a puffy person though. I get puffy.

I can be puffy in the morning. I mean, I just got off about a four hour flight. So the fact that it's still holding together because I did my makeup at 5 a.m. this morning. Did you come from Nashville today? Yes. Oh, wow. That's kind of a long flight. It is.

It's about a four hour flight. Yeah. So that's a good tip though. And I know the benefits. It's just of a long flight. It is. It's about a four-hour flight. Yeah. So that's a good tip, though. And I know the benefits. It's just taking the time. And the dry brushing seems great. Taking the time to do it. Do you spray tan?

I foam tan. So since I was 15 years old, I started doing the bed tanning. And I finally quit about two years ago. I decided I was getting too many freckles. And so I had to stop just cold turkey on the bed tanning, which I used to do at least once, at least once a week from age 15 to age 29. It's going to change your life. Even though you stopped two years ago, not tanning in the tanning bed will change your life. I'm a big believer in that. Yeah, no, I wish I wouldn't have done it all those years. But South Dakota,

we just don't get a lot of sun, you know, and I'm pretty white. So you now you do this. You do. You said you do like a foam tan. Yeah, I just do like myself self tanner. I don't like a spray tan. And here's why, because I don't like it slowly disintegrating. And when you're on TV, you can't have like the middle phase of when the spray tan starts patching off. When you foam tan, it kind of it goes off gradually. It doesn't last as long, but it'll dissipate gradually. To me, spray tans have always come off in chunks. And then how do you do that when you're on TV every day? I knew that you would have like some tip because when you're on TV and you see yourself in high definition, that's got to be intense.

No matter, I mean, I see myself on Instagram this close and I'm like, back it up, back up, back up. The tan thing you totally have to be careful of. Yes. If you dry brush the tan off, I think that you would like that before you tan. Okay. That's what I want to give you. Sorry, Michael. I just had to get her.

I'm keeping up on a hair string here. Okay. And we have to talk about diet. Diet. What do you do? So I try to eat pretty clean through most of the week. Like a very very clean as clean as I possibly can. And then I've I've cut down. So when I first moved to Nashville 2020 right everybody was having a great time in Nashville. If you're in LA probably not.

But in Nashville we had a great time. So I would go and like we partied in Nashville during COVID. Like we didn't we shut down but not really right we had a curfew at 10 we were in texas it was like same thing it was weird because we were like i would see this world and then that world i'm like wow there's like two different worlds going on yes so here people just drank at home but in texas and nashville people was still out went out and like lived life yeah i don't even know if texas ever shut down texas definitely shut down because i all my friends are in dallas so you definitely shut down, but it was not compared to this. I mean, LA. It was really shut down. I left LA in 2020. Yeah, we left in the end of 2020, but we were like here during most of it. Oh, well, I'm sorry

about that. Yeah. I left right at the start. I saw the writing on the wall. It started shutting down and I said, it's time to go. So I got out of here. But I don't drink really at all anymore. So I think a lot of people are into that now, like the sober, curious thing. I'm not, I will drink a glass of wine, but I've really cut down on my drinking. It's probably because my husband's gone and who else am I going to drink with, right? I don't really go out and drink much. I pretty much stay at home with the dogs. Where did you meet your husband? You mentioned that you had dated guys before your husband. What was that like? And where'd you meet your husband you mentioned that you you had dated guys before your husband what was that like and where'd you meet him and how'd you know he was the one i met him on instagram where all

good relationships begin oh i met pretty much everybody i've dated on instagram if i'm if i were to be like they'll slide in your dms yeah there's hope out there wait how do you know though that they're like like how do you gauge it because they some of them got a blue check mark so that's your that's my first whittling it down of okay now everybody's got the check mark yeah well this is before you could buy it this is when you had to earn a check mark you know okay so he comes in your dms yeah and and just the general is like love what you stand for you know so then it's like all right that's like i told you before you already know somebody doesn't hate your politics that's a good start so then he was in was in Nashville and we just met up and he lived in Miami at the time and was broadcasting for, at that time, Valley Sports for the Marlins because he's a former baseball player. And then I said, in a year, you'll live in Nashville. And the other boyfriends that you met were same on Instagram. You met them on Instagram.

Yeah, pretty much. This is a good tip, though, for people who are on the apps that maybe don't want to be on certain apps. You can just have someone slide in on Instagram. But for me, you have to understand what the dating pool would be like for me. So you've got somebody that's talking about myself. I'm a public figure who has a certain level of fame but i'm not famous but i'm known but i'm also controversial so i've dated celebrities in the past that didn't

want people to know that we were together because there would be a substantial amount of backlash what would their names rhyme with yeah there'd be a lot of them that I won't. What's it like dating a real celebrity? I've heard that it's not. Lauren, don't you know? No, I mean, I've heard that it's not all it's chalked up to be, if you know what I mean. I'll use the term dating lightly. I've had things with celebrities.

I had a boyfriend that's like a secret boyfriend. But i moved to nashville like i i had a good time is that a discussion that takes place where it's like hey we got to keep this on the down low because i would already i would already offer that up because i would never want to put somebody i'm never like hey take a picture with me or whatever i'm like a private person i don't need to do that whatever but it would be more of a consideration 2020 was also a rough year right so that was a controversial year yeah sensitivities were flying high yeah i understand yeah the fact that someone would hide who they're dating because of politics to me i don't understand and michael says michael michael always says you have to put yourself in other people's shoes like i said earlier i don't say

you have to put yourself in other people's shoes but what i say is that like to me it's always shocking that it's shocking to you that people don't but think you know what i mean like i always find it shocking that you can't believe certain people would believe things like that i just can't believe that someone is scared to say who they're dating because of someone's political beliefs i can't believe it no the difference between lauren and I is I am very self-aware about how certain people think of me. And I know, I'm like, it ain't good. It's not going to go well.

But you and me both. And I'm like, that's okay. Lauren is like, I can't believe they don't like me. And I'm like, Lauren, look at the things we do and say. I understand why some people... No, I can believe if people don't like me. I just can't believe that someone is so angry about someone's political beliefs

that you have to hide it. I don't understand that. I don't understand that. Well, it's a new... This is what it is. I think the interesting thing for someone who's on the outside of... I'd say we're on the outside of politics.

We have people on and we've touched those waters, but we, you know, we're not a political show typically, right? It is a new thing, I think, for this country in general to be so polarized and so divided over political issues that bear probably greater discussion. Yeah. Right? Like there's certain things now, it's like we are not, this is not up for debate.

This is not a discussion. What drove me fucking nuts. Absolutely nuts during the pandemic was like, trust the science, follow the science. Don't question. to question and continuing to discuss there's no there's no such thing as science ending does that make sense that is what science is it's the further exploration of a discussion to get to what the actual facts are presenting so when people say trust the science shut up i was like that's not science yeah that makes sense also all their science was also wrong so there's that so there's that part of it but i mean like the definition of you know if you want to actually talk about science that is science it's talking about the thing and getting to what the real truth is not getting to a place where you're having discussions and disagreements you can be skeptical when you weren't allowed to be skeptical yeah and that was what drove me nuts i'm like how did this how did something that is scientific become political because science bears the political science if someone drops into my dms

and says gives me shit for having you on. They will. Okay, let me tell everyone something. If you drop in my DMs and say that, that's a you problem. If this triggers you, it's a you problem. You got to figure out why that triggers you. Because I'll have all different people on. I want to continue to learn from all different kinds of people,

from all different kinds of walks of life. I'm not going to pick sides and only have certain people on do not drop in my dms well you can listen but just know that's you projecting onto me but to throw to throw another like wrench into the pilot we had chelsea clinton on oh wow yeah okay so we will we'll talk to any but but guess what we got shit for that too you know i'm saying so like it's it's a, you can't win. You really can't. But that's why you don't need to play the game. But you definitely will get hate

for having me on. But the people that are mad about having you on are happy that we have someone like Chelsea on and people that, you know, are fans of Chelsea

would be mad. And to me, I'm like, guys, like, I just want to hear what people have to say. Yeah.

You know, I'm not saying. Which is great to have those conversations. But cancel culture is a thing. To answer your question, why would somebody not date somebody because they're worried about the backlash? Because cancel culture, as it was invented in 2020, absolutely had an effect on people. And people started looking at their bottom line, which you understand and you might not see so much.

But when people start thinking that, hey, I'm going to get canceled, and that was a real a real threat to people yeah that became a bigger part of the the conversation for sure do you guys really think that people actually got canceled is there someone that actually still is canceled from that time because i can't think of anyone there are a lot of people that lost their jobs that never really came back you know chris harrison from the bachelor being one right off the top of my head we just had him on the show that i can think of but i mean he was really really maligned and demonized you know there was a few people um morgan wallen got canceled for for a time until you know his albums were just too good and people couldn't turn away uh there's a number of people that got canceled that they've been able to now kind of unearth themselves. But at that time,

cancel culture was coming in hot for a lot of people. A lot of people on Bravo met their end and now they're resurfacing. But in 2020, everybody was on the chopping block. What's something that you wish that people knew about you that they don't know? That I don't actually think about politics all the time and I don't live my life just completely centered around politics. I think that that's probably one of the biggest misconceptions about people that do news media or political media or political influencing or whatever it is, is like that's the only thing that we care about and that we don't have other interests and we're not just average people like everybody else. And when you look at your whole career, like the future, do you

have it mapped out where you always want to be on the news? Do you want to start your own thing? Do you have other aspirations other than politics? Like, what do you see as your future? I want to keep doing what I'm doing because I really love the network that I'm at. So I want to stay there and I want to just continue to grow there. And that's been my goal for the last seven years that I've been there is to continue to grow and get more opportunities and do more things. Doing and growing Outkick, which Fox brought on about three to four years ago, growing that, growing the digital space. That's what I'm focused on doing. I like to, I love the digital space. I like to bring kind of young people into the

political digital space and the cross-section of all that. That's exciting to me. How do you think about personal safety now? Because, again, these are charged waters, right? And people get very passionate. How do you think about just your personal safety, family's personal safety? Do you have to live differently now that you're more out there, more known, more political? Not that I, now that I live in Tennessee.

No, when I lived in LA, it was actually a concern. I would not go outside of the South Bay when I lived in LA. Why? Because it would be violent. What do you mean? I could not go to Santa Monica. I tried to go to Santa Monica one time. What's the place that everybody used to go? The bungalow? Yeah, I tried to go to the bungalow one time. Did not go well for me. Girls being mean, screaming at me,

yelling. It just, it didn't go well. I had numerous assignments here in West Hollywood for Hannity where I'd go like do man on the street things people would be screaming at me the the salt and straw over there would like give people ice cream if they wouldn't talk to me I mean it was maybe the bungalows changed but I can't imagine being like some hipster at the bungalow coming up to me and oh yeah no and it's usually women and it's usually women I would be in I mean I was thinking you're gonna say like out on the streets but the bungalow that was like kind of a contained environment yeah and then just even outside just in Santa Monica like I can't go to Santa Monica. I can't go to West Hollywood. Living in Hermosa Beach, I would go to like Tower 12. I had a girl push me up against the wall at Tower 12 and call me a name that starts with C. I mean, this was like a daily thing. I'd have people kick me. I'd have people follow me around the Vons. I mean, it was not good. I've had numerous experiences like that. I had people throw water on me and my family when I was in Minneapolis. There's been a lot. How do you deal with it? Are you neutral or are you stoic? Like, what do you do when people do

that? It really depends on the environment and who I'm with. If I'm with my parents, I mean, that's just a no-go. Just don't mess with my parents. They didn't ask for this. They're small town people from South Dakota. Why are you throwing water on my mom? Like, what does that make sense to do that and scream the F word at my family? That, to me, is a bridge too far. For me personally, I've learned not to react, so I don't react unless I actually have to react. I did a speech about a year and a half ago at the University of New Mexico, and the SWAT team had to be called in, and I had to be, like, taken out in, like, an armored vehicle because the state police and SWAT team had to be called in

so in those situations I have to be more mindful of my security but for the most most part people just heckle and say mean things whatever you know do you what are you gonna do what is so polarizing to people about you do you think my politics I'm just i'm a conservative who is unbridled and willing to say it like it is and some people they just do not like that i mean look around we're in volatile times look at what's happening on our college campuses we've got people that are pledging support to terrorists i mean it's just it's not that hard to it's not that hard to connect the dots of why people like me are being targeted or being driven out or being attacked. Just look around. It's not just me.

I mean, for me, like, thank goodness I live in Tennessee and whatever. I feel badly for a lot of these people who don't have the protection of living in a place like I get to live in or, you know, any protection. There's a lot of people out there right now that are legitimately in danger. And it's really, really sad. And it's right here in L.A. and it's in New York and it's in Washington, D.C. and it's in Portland. And it's really sad. How do you have such a thick skin? Because I'm sure the comments that you get on Instagram can be insane. Like, are there things that you do? Do you not read the comments? Do you meditate? Like, what do you do to keep your mental health intact? Like I said earlier, I read

nasty comments and then I read nice comments and I just they cancel each other out for me. People say really nasty things and people and conservatives and liberal. I mean, really, I'm equal opportunity for people to hate me. I get just as many conservatives that will say things about me as the liberals that it really is a grab bag of, you know, pick your poison, whether it's they don't like your politics or they don't like the way that you look or they don't like what you stand for or whatever it is. It really does not bother me. I've learned long ago that if somebody is not important to me, why do I care what they think about me? I don't. And that's just a line I've had to draw because I've started at 21 doing this. So I feel like I've grown up in it. So it

had to not bother me from a really young age. There's this line in AA. It's like, what you think about me is none of my business. Yeah. And I think that that's like, whether you're an AA or not, I think that's such a good line. Because if you get too in the mud in the comments and you start even reading your own press clippings, we talk about this all the time, it can go to your ego or it can make you feel like shit.

So I think having those blinders on is really important the way i think about is like i'd rather have everybody else hate me than me hate myself right like i can't imagine not being who i am at all times right and i and i and i know that that comes i think it will first i think people are delusional and thinking that everyone is always going to like them. Take politics aside. I think this idea that everyone's just always going to like you, that's just not the case and you can't control however people feel. But what I do think a tragedy in life is when you're going through life with this mask on,

not being able to be who you are and be yourself and be in your own power. To me, I wouldn't want to live that way. And so the choice is like, you have to be yourself knowing that certain people are not going to like what you're going to find your people. The other choice is like you try to placate everyone and you don't do it anyways, right? Well, I don't know why anybody would want to hang out with somebody that they can't be themselves around. Why would you want those friends? People say, I'm going to lose friends. Are those your friends? Like if they don't respect what you believe, they might think differently. But if they legitimately don't respect how you feel or what you believe, is that really

the people that you want to be around and so badly want to fit in with? For me, no. But for some people, I just don't think that they found that confidence yet. So that's that's something that I think a lot of especially young women need to work on. I mean, I couldn't be in a marriage. I couldn't be in a friendship. I couldn't be. It's like I can't be myself. What's the point? If I could only give one piece of advice, one tip in order to get your health, wellness, hormones, mood, mind in a better place, that would be by getting better sleep. So many of us get terrible sleep and it impacts so many different things, which is why I'm so excited to talk about the Eight Sleep.

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everyone's name and I would make up words. I like it though. I'm going to start using commentation. My life is actually pretty boring. I get up, I run, I get ready for work. I go and do my Outkick show. I write my radio commentaries. I record my radio commentaries. I write my show for the next day. Then usually I show will air my Outkick show and then I'll usually go up to the home studio and I'll do Hannity or I'll do Waters Primetime. And then I wash my face and go to bed. And then sometimes I do Fox and Friends first at 430 a.m. And it just it depends. Every day is kind of different, but it's pretty much the entire day is either doing radio commentaries or doing podcasting or doing the channel. How do you look

at your time? Like, for instance, when you're invited on this podcast, like what's the funnel that you look through? Meaning when I when someone asked me to do something, Michael and I talk about this a lot. I'm like, is it worth being away from my kids? I have to answer that question. I'll also answer like, this is what I've been doing lately. I'll say, do I want to do it right now the second? So if someone invites me to an event and I don't want to do it right now the second, I say no. Like, how do you look at time management? Yeah. I try to say yes to as many things as I possibly can just because I think opportunities only come around sometimes once. And so I like to have different conversations and I like a variety of conversations and I pretty

much go anywhere and do anything and talk to anybody. I mean, when you grow up in South Dakota, for me, I'll go do speeches for like law enforcement groups in the middle of nowhere. And for some people, they might not want to go be in like Fort Wayne, Indiana. I'm fine going to Fort Wayne, Indiana. That's totally fine. I prefer it, to be honest. in like Fort Wayne, Indiana, I'm fine going to Fort Wayne, Indiana. That's totally fine. I prefer it, to be honest. I like to be around people. I like to meet people. I like to go around the country and meet and talk with different people. That helps me grow. So I say yes to a lot of things. Now, I probably need to get better at it, to be honest, because I'll go to New York usually every other weekend. My husband is in Syracuse where he is a baseball coach for the Mets AAA team. So I have to better balance my time and being like, I need to go see my husband this weekend. But then if I'm asked to do something in New York, then it's like, oh, this is better for me and my career. But I have to get better. That is probably the area that I need to get better at is prioritizing that part of my life because I've been so career focused for 10 years. Do you have a team that helps you? Like, do you

have an assistant? Like, what's your team look like to do all this? I do not have a team. I have producers that work on my Outkick show and they, you know, they do the producing. I write everything myself. I'm very OCD about that, too. Nobody writes for me. So I write everything that I do is my voice and done in my my style. And no, I don't really have. I have great people that help me out, obviously, at Fox and at Outkick. And there's a lot of production assistants and people that do great work. But as for me and managing my life and schedule, I do that all myself. You do your own hair, you do your your own makeup and you don't have an assistant

that's pretty fucking gnarly for the how high of a performer you are well thank you I appreciate that I mean you I go through the car wash I have my nails my hair my spray tan my eyebrows waxed my face my I mean I I have like I just have to do that it's one of those Dr. Seuss things from like it's yeah it's like a Dr. Seuss. I think that's very impressive that you're doing all of this on your own and managing it and balancing it. I find that people really screw things up for you. And I'd rather be mad at myself than be mad at somebody else. I really am not good at delegating because people usually F it up in my experience.

If you asked me to put makeup on myself the way I'm wearing it today, it would not be pretty. You'd be like, what the fuck is going on? What's the most heated, memorable conversation that you have had and who was it with and how did it transpire? Oh boy, the most heated conversation. Yeah, this is a good question for you. Yeah. People also don't probably know this about me, but I actually really avoid confrontation at all costs, personally. I'm not a confrontation person. Like real confrontation?

I can argue a political point with somebody all day long. I mean, I've sat on the stage with Chelsea Handler, I mean, all of them. I've done Bill Maher, I've done Trevor Noah on The Daily Show, I've sat with the ladies of The View, also with anybody at any time, Bill Maher, anybody. Politics, let's go. That's good. I don't like personal confrontation.

I really hate it. I avoid it at all costs. I really hate when people who I consider my friends don't like me or they're mad at me for something. That bothers me more than if people don't like my politics or they don't like whatever. I don't like my politics so they don't like whatever i don't care about that i don't like confrontation in that in that way but as far as the most heated conversations i have on on a regular basis probably just trying to get my husband to pick up his towel that's really that's really the argument oh my god i thought you were gonna say something on the news and it's your husband no those are the most heated arguments we'll get into is like me being tidy and him being untidy. I wonder this.

You're in this world. Okay. So say you go on Hannity's show or even Bill Maher's show and they usually have these panels, one conservative, one liberal. After, like when you guys get heated and go like, after is it like, hey, that was good. Great. Shake hands. Is it like good game? Is it like good game? We're friends or is it like, hey, that was good, great, shake hands. Is it like good game?

Is it like good game, we're friends? Or is it like, we don't like each other after this? No, for the most part, everybody that I've been around has been very, very nice to me. See, that's what I think people also should hear, like the average people. Because you see this, and when we're watching from the outside, it looks very heated. Like, oh, those two hate each other. Like, after, they would never. But I've always wondered, you guys get off, like, that was a great show good good debate and then your friends and it's like hey you know

normal people that was our job goodbye or is it like hey we you know we're this side of that side we don't talk we don't like each other the people that i've sat down with that are very different from me have been very nice to me chelsea handler was very nice to me she gave me a big hug afterwards that was shocking to me but i thought she was very kind to me in that regard when i got done with the view joy behar waited like an hour when everybody left because there was crowds outside to come and just say thank you for coming on that shocked me bill maher was very nice to me trevor noah was in person very nice to me he proceeded to bash me after the fact i've done um several things with charlemagne the god very nice to me personally He proceeded to bash me after the fact. I've done several things with Charlemagne

the God. Very nice to me personally, then got some backlash, then kind of had to just flip on me a little bit publicly, which is frustrating. But I think this is important for people to hear because listen, to some degree, and I don't mean this to take anything away from you or anyone else that does what you do, but you have to have some kind of performance it element to carry people's attention. If you were just some boring dud that was out there talking, you just can't carry it. That's why not everybody can carry a show, right? But I think it's important for people to hear that at the end of this, people are actually civil with each other and nice because sometimes some of these outlets that we're all watching a part of, there's the stage effect, there is the show to keep it

interesting, to keep it interesting to keep it moving to keep the suspense going yes you're getting information but it's also it's a bit of a performance not like you're being yourself but you know i'm saying so i don't think it's a performance what i think what it is is honestly it's like professionals that do what i do we can separate our political opinions from from our our personal character when i say performance i don't mean like you're going out there and acting i just mean like you're not going out there and be like like you're not you get animated but we if you do what we do and you actually care about what you're talking about you're going to be very passionate and there's things that i'll talk about that i will be very passionate about

very and i will go for the jugular on it but that doesn't mean because the person disagrees with me that i think that they're a bad person now some people i think that they are bad people but for the most part if you just have a different opinion from me and I don't know you from Adam, I'm not going to think that you're a bad person. And I would hope that they return that with me in the professional line. I will say this. There have been more conservative women that are mean to me, both professionally and personally, because they it's like people think that there's a limited amount of people that can be in the space. There can only be so many conservative women here, so we must be mean to each other. I don't do that.

I think that's nonsense. Not anybody I work with at Fox News, by the way. Others that I would say are more in the conservative influencer space. What do their names rhyme with? Yeah, I'm not going to go there. But what I would throw more into the bucket of grifters,

like, I don't, they don't bother me. I mean, but they want to have a competition. It's like, I don't, we're not, I'm not, I'm not competing with you. This is not this is not my game today. What's something that you're really passionate about right now? Politically or it could be anything. Or Bravo.

Fuck Bravo. Politically, anything you want. Honestly, I'm very passionate about the upcoming election. I know that that sounds really cliche to say that because everybody's saying how important it is, but I am very passionate about it because I do really think it's a turning point for the country that cannot be ignored. And I think even people that don't think politics matter to them, I think they need to care about this next one. Who do you think is going to win? You know, a lot can happen.

I don't think Biden is going to be the nominee. So I've maintained that for the last year. OK. I think if Biden is the nominee, I think Trump wins. I think they've subbed somebody in for Biden. I think that that person, unfortunately for me, will win. Yeah. I think if they subbed Gavin Newsom, as much as I cannot stand Gavin Newsom,

that's where I'll get real passionate. Talk about California politics, I can get real passionate. Because living here and experiencing it and being a big follower of what Gavin Newsom has done, I'm very passionate about that. I think he's going to be the nominee. I've said that for a long time. I think they're going to sub him in at the last minute. But as it stands today, I think Donald Trump is going to win. How wild do you think social media is going to get during the election? Social media? Yeah. Look at the streets outside. That's what you have to be more concerned about. Really? Legitimately. Yeah. I mean, that's more my concern than social media.

Yeah. Huh. People, I mean, do you remember 2016? I remember. Wasn't great. No. I'll be honest, 2020? We were here during all that.

Yeah. 2020, also not great. I mean, I'm not somebody that's an apologist for January 6th. I thought January 6th was abhorrent. I'm not going to sit there and be like, oh, it's just the left. To be fair, the left burned our country down for many months on end. And so-called Trump supporters had one bad day.

But that aside, I think it's going to be just bad. I think either way, I think if Trump wins, it's going to be, the streets are going to be bad. If someone wants to do what you do, there's a lot of women out there who are going to school for broadcast journalism. What are the tools that you would tell them to do what you do, there's a lot of women out there who are going to school for broadcast journalism. What are the tools that you would tell them to do? I would say write everything yourself.

You have to have your own opinion. If you're just trying to do something because you want to be on camera, I mean, it's the same thing for you. A lot of you want to be influencers. They want to be podcasters. They want to do some kind of a something in the cross-section of all those things. If that's your goal is to be famous, you're going to fail. If you're doing it from a genuine point and you're actually, for me, it's not much different than selling a product. You have to really be invested in what you're talking about and you have to actually formulate

an opinion and think for yourself. And that has to be interesting to people. So if you want to do what I do and you want to be on Fox News or you want to be in conservative media or media in general, you have to really believe what you're saying. You have to understand it. You have to care about it enough to research it and form an opinion that's coherent and that's persuasive on your own. People think that they're going to go into media and someone's just going to write the things for them and they're going to sit down and that's what they're going to do every day. No, that's not going to happen. That's way too competitive for that. You can be the prettiest girl. I don't care if you are Miss USA. You will not make it in politics if you just think you're going to sit

down and read what other people write for you. Before you go, I would love for you to tell us a bunch of qualities that you think make up someone who's really successful. Things that you've applied to your own life. Sure. Fearlessness is the number one thing. I think you got to be fearless to do things that you're afraid of. You have to be fearless in what people are going to say and think about you and maybe not always appeasing the masses. So fearlessness to me is probably number one. But I think just passionate as well. I think you have to be passionate about whatever you're doing and whatever you're talking about or the way that you're living your life.

Passion for that thing is really important. And I think for me also, what I've learned in the 10 years I've been doing this, because I've changed a lot through the 10 years, is just having self-reflection and being like, you know, maybe I don't have to say it this way. Maybe I can not censor myself, but maybe I can be more aware of the way other people think. And I don't have to go in like such a pit bull all the time. You can pull back a little bit. I've learned to do that. I didn't

when I was 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 25 to 31. I've learned that. And I've grown a lot in my career because of it. I think sometimes you have to go through that, though, to get to the other side to get to where you are now. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's almost like you had to be the pit bull to get to here. Yeah, maybe. There's something that I had heard before that is if you, you know, if you start off like really hot, you have a very short runway. And I think for me, I've kind of learned that as well. I'm always going to say what I think. I'm always going to be really passionate about it. But you don't have to comment on everything is what I've learned. I don't have to go and fire back on, I'm like, is this going to cause me to trend on Twitter? And is it going to cause more of a headache for me than it's worth me saying it? Then I'm not going to tweet it. If I'm like, no, go for it, balls to the wall, then I'm still going to do it. But I've learned to have a little bit more calculation in the consequences of the things that you say and make sure you can 100% stand behind it.

Yeah. It's like that thing. It's like, and you learn, I think you learn this as you learn to temper yourself. It's almost like if you have to I think you learn this as you learn to temper yourself. It's almost like if you have to scream to make your point, you don't have a point, right? Like you should be able to get your point across

with a very soft, calm, collected delivery. I always find, even in business, I'll take not politics, like the people who run business that have to scream at people, you don't have a good enough

hold on yourself. You actually don't understand what you're trying to articulate. Because if you calm your delivery and you say it, people good enough hold on yourself. You actually don't understand what you're trying to articulate. Because if you calm your delivery and you say it, people will actually listen more too. That's the other thing I think is the problem with politics. People are screaming at each other left and right. Nobody's listening to that.

People that are in politics and really care, they pay attention. But someone like me, when I hear people screaming, I don't care who it is, what point they're trying to make, I tune out. Or talking over each other in the crosstalk. People don't. I it is, what point they're trying to make. I tune out. Yeah. You know? Or talking over each other in the crosstalk. Yeah, they can do it. People don't.

I think you should sprinkle in some of your opinions on Bravo in your Twitter. I do, though. You do. Okay, I need to go see. I think we need some Bravo, more Bravo opinions, and also any beauty tips you have. I think people... I mean, my Instagram is really the place for that. I do a lot more lifestyle type stuff. Not on Twitter. Twitter, people are like, what are you talking about I think people... I mean, my Instagram is really the place for that. I do a lot more like lifestyle type stuff.

I'm not on Twitter. Twitter, people are like, what are you talking about? We don't care about that. Instagram, definitely more so for that kind of thing. Where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out. I have five days a week starting Monday

on outkick.com, 1 p.m. Eastern, live streaming the show. And then you can find me on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, at Tommy Lahren. There's only one of me. Look for the check. And then also on Fox News. On Fox News, I'm usually on on a pretty much daily basis. I spend a lot of time on Hannity. So if you're a Fox News viewer, we really appreciate you. Tommy, thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for doing it. Thank you for having me.