The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Vanderpump Rule's Tom Schwartz & Katie Maloney-Schwartz On Life On Reality TV, Reality TV Relationship Dynamics, & What Happens Off Camera

Episode Date: June 14, 2021

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The show is what keeps everyone else's, you know, shit moving. And so to not get bigger than that or to get bigger than anyone else and like to keep, you know, some kind of sense of camaraderie. But it is an ensemble. And when we're filming, yeah, people manage their egos. And, you know, like again, there's an unspoken rule, sometimes spoken that you just, you know,

you put it all out there. You don't censor yourself. And while we're filming, all is fair and love and war. You made it, everybody. You fucking made it. Another Monday in the books, ready to go, fired up. We got a little him and her action on both sides of the table today. My name is Michael Bostic.

I'm a serial entrepreneur and brand builder. Most recently, the CEO of the Dear Media Podcast Network. Across from me, my wife, Lauren Everts, Bostic. And today we're joined by another power couple that we had a lot of fun with. And raise your glass, Michael Bostic, because let's do a fist pump with some goat cheese balls. Fuck. We have Katie and Tom from Vanderpump Rules on the show. Katie is a podcaster too. You're going to love me. Her podcast is on Dear Media, which is so exciting. And Tom owns TomTom, which Michael will not take off the hat that Tom gave him. Listen, I rep TomTom and it's a great hat. And any company, listen, I like TomTom's hats. I wear that because it's a good hat. Our new sponsor,

Pete and Jerry's, love their hat. If you send me a good hat that fits my head well, because I got a weird shaped small head, then I'll wear the shit out of it. Yeah. It's kind of like a micro head. It's not. I mean, listen, it's like a seven and one fourths. That's the thing. It's a good thing your head doesn't match your head. Well, listen, I don't got that big melon you got. I don't know what's going on there. I don't have a big melon. It's weird that they were able to squish such a massive brain into such a small head

all right i'm excited about this episode so i met katie on instagram she actually was so cool and shouted me out on stassi's podcast about how she liked following along i followed her we started talking and then we ended up going to the same pilates studio. Shout out to Parker Pilates. Betsy is amazing. And Katie and I both still go to Betsy. I go on Skype. And then when I'm in LA and Katie goes in person. And what I've found about her, especially because I know her better than Tom, is that I think she's so misunderstood. The show paints her one way and in person, she is so kind. She's soft-spoken. She's smart. She's thoughtful. She's stoic. She's a listener. She doesn't just talk to talk and she's absolutely lovely.

Yeah. And you know, I met Tom in a strip club. We were both having lunch on a Tuesday there for the brisket and we looked over and we just really got along. The labia brisket sandwich? I'm going to create a problem for these two. They're going to create a headline saying Tom Schwartz in strip club with Michael Bossius. I'm just kidding. I'm just fucking around everybody. I didn't do that. That'd be a pretty cool story though. I mean, that sounds fun. Get a tuna fish sandwich and a little labia brisket. I had a friend in high school that would go to the strip club every day for lunch, which is why I was saying, I mean, listen, he's a,

he's a whole nother story, that guy, but what kind of person goes to the strip club for lunch? Honestly, I love the strip club. Like I love the strip club. Yeah. But you know, I don't know if you've been there during lunchtime. It's like a, that sounds fun. It's a little bit, it's not the same energy as it is at night. And you're, and you're thinking about the ones in Vegas where you can party. It's, it's, it's a little dark at the time. No, I think it would be like calm energy, like some dancers and we can just have like a good sandwich. I didn't mean to go on a whole tangent out here. I mean, I think the strip club during lunch sounds like amazing. Tom, I'm sorry if there's a headline that says you were

in the strip club at lunch. I promise if they call me for fact checking, I'll say it's not true. Okay. Wink, wink, buddy. I really enjoyed this interview with Tom and Katie. I have not seen them be interviewed on a him and her perspective like this. And they spill some juice. The show is being filmed right now. And I'm just so excited for you guys to hear this episode. Little background on Tom and Katie before we get into it. Tom Schwartz was an actor. He then starred on Vanderpump Rules.

And now he is the co-owner of Tom Tom in West Hollywood, which is a delicious restaurant. He's obviously very entrepreneurial, and he's going to be on the next season. And then Katie Maloney is his wife. She is a reality television personality on Vanderpump Rules. So many people love her. They're obsessed with her. She also is a podcaster. Her podcast, like I said, is called You're Going to Love Me, and it's with Dear Media. So definitely check it out. Go support her. And she just launched merch. And you guys, there's this lilac hoodie that is so cute. Betsy was wearing it and I went and immediately ordered it to support her. I really, really enjoy both of them individually and as a couple. And I am so excited to welcome them to the Skinny Confidential

Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Do you find it weird that Michael and I come to you guys and say we're such big fans? Do you think your audience is like younger, older, mid, or is it just all over the place? I'm in. I'm in. I want the juice. I got a lot of questions. Whoa, you're dialed in. Are you all over the place i'm in i'm in i'm i want the juice i i got a lot of questions whoa you're dialed in are you all caught up i'm all caught up that's a lot of baggage do you need a hug or something no i i mean do you need a hug i need a hug it is all over the place it's it's literally grandmas young girls, husbands, single men. I mean, across the board.

Chrissy Teigen. Chrissy Teigen. Were you freaking when you saw that? Yeah. We got a lot of love over the years from Chrissy. I'm not sure if she still watches, but there was a while there. She showed us a lot of love on Twitter, which she recently deleted. God bless.

Twitter is a toxic wasteland. I'm not a fan. It's a mess in there. what is it like for a reality television star when your show comes out and you go on Twitter because I wouldn't even go

because it's too much of a war zone yeah the masochistic side of you wants to go look yeah like in you know seasons 1, 2, 3, 4

we did 5 maybe even Katie I used to get wine drunk and go on Twitter and just have a field day she had a ritual a dark what would you do to yourself tell them well I used to get wine drunk and go on Twitter and just have a field day. She had a ritual.

A dark. What would you do to yourself? Tell them, bub. Well, I would just make examples out of people. I don't know. Like you would put it, make them look like assholes, basically. I would just fire back. There's nothing better than when someone says something so outlandish and something they

would never fucking say to your face. And then you just go for the jugular because they set themselves up yeah i love it short term it is a sweet release and it feels good but the day after you're gonna regret it you're gonna be hung over it's like cheating on your wife totally not that i would know what that's like hypothetically speaking that's why mixing alcohol and and comment sections is very or used to be straight. That's why mixing alcohol in comment sections is very, or it used to be dangerous. I have great restraint not to, not to, you know,

toot my own horn over here, but I have pretty good restraint. I'm not easily triggered online anymore, but back in the day, yeah, Katie would have a glass of wine. And listen, if you go looking for something bad for yourself online,

you're going to find it. It doesn't matter who you are. It's out there. There's somebody that hates you. Also, don't you guys feel too that people lie? Like for instance, let me give you an example. Oh, I saw this person out at a bar and they were doing this

and they just make it up out of nothing. And then it turns into something. Accusations on social media. Yeah, because once the rumors stick, there's a better quote than that. What's the point you're saying though? Like once's the rumors out there it becomes all that matters yeah it takes on a life of its own it's significantly harder to rebuke yeah no i think it's more about people just not the fan fiction but people coming up with their own theories of like who we are based off of you know what they see on the show you have to have a pretty fucking solid relationship to go on reality television.

And you guys have been such a good example of someone who, I think, I look at you guys as such a good example of someone who have stuck together and really made it through. Even Heather was on our podcast from Utah, Real Housewives of Utah. And she said the nicest thing, like the nicest things about Tom,

just how sweet he is and how he like helps finesse the energy. And just he's like such a charming, nice guy. But you guys have been able to just like really be a team. Do you look at it like that? Is it like a discussion that you have behind the scenes? No. And also, I don't think at times we've been a team. I feel like a lot.

Oftentimes he's against. I don't think people look at Katie Maloney and Tom tom schwartz and think couple goals but here's the thing i don't agree we're a testament to working through it and putting effort time energy and you know going to therapy and just like fighting through all the hard stuff and enduring through the best of times and the worst of times we're're tried and tested, you know? We've been through pretty much everything well. How old were you guys when you started the show? Oh, 26 and 30.

You're so young. And we had been together for a little over two years, about two years. But we've been very authentic and realistic about our relationship. We haven't ever tried to pretend or present ourselves as like this perfect couple. We haven't tried to sweep things out of the rug. We've been like, we suck, you know, but we're trying. That's what makes you guys' show, though, so good. I feel like the whole cast is like that.

Yeah. They're not, no one's trying to have this facade of perfection. It feels like, oh, I could look at this relationship and say, oh, we do that at home or like, yeah, therapy like that. It's a relatable. Yeah, it's raw and honest. Very rarely do people, you know, contrive themselves. And if you do self-produce, people are quick to call you out, you know, and it never translates on camera. It won't like those type of edits get canned. It's it's it's it's traumatic while you're filming it.

You know, you kind of hate yourself. If you don't hate yourself by the end of the season, you didn't do your job. Yeah. That's what we... And how many seasons have you done? Eight. So there's a lot of self-loathing.

Yeah. So how did you guys meet? I want to go way back. Oh, yeah. So I started working at S sir just down the road and i had i'd become good friends with kristin and stassi and kristin was like i want you to meet my boyfriend tom sandoval at the time his roommate he you know he's i think he would just be such a good match for you you're like the female counterpart to him i was like oh like

what's his story what does he do she's like well he's an actor model and i was like i want to stop you right there no thank you i'm like i've already dated like all of those i don't want anything to do with that and she's like no no no no aspiring and i you know i've been in la for like four or five years and i was obviously like very jaded at that point. But she definitely wore me down. She's like, no, no, no. And so finally, one night, I think it was like after work at Sir, we went over to the Belmont and she's like, he's going to come meet up with us. I was like, OK, great.

And he comes and meets up with us and he has a girl with him. And I was like, Kristen, I'm going to beat your ass. What the hell is happening? He's got a chick with him. And she goes, I don't know who that girl is. I promise. It's not his girlfriend. And I was like, oh.

We don't have a fairy tale beginning. It wasn't love at first sight. Well, I know. I was like, she's cute. I thought you were more than cute. And you thought I was more than cute. Let's face it. But no, but we did.

We clicked for sure. No, we you thought I was more than cute. Let's face it. But no, but we, we did, we, we did, we clicked for sure. No, we did. There was some chemistry brewing, but I, I denied it. And I stuffed it down deep because I was way too concerned about my professional life here. I just resigned from my job and I worked for a distributor in Florida, yada, yada, yada. Moved out here with $3,000. That's all I had. And my little Honda Civic. And I was like, I cannot afford to be distracted with love or a relationship it just felt like it was a massive distraction in my pursuit of

glory yeah and I had been drugged through the mud by like countless dudes so I was like oh do I really want to date another vapid model actor dude I don't think so so we just like you know started like hooking up casually for like three months and then caught feelings and one day i was like do you want to go to lunch and i asked him to be my boyfriend and he's like i don't know if i'll be a very good one and i was like that's good enough for me his personality is so sweet i know it's cute it's not the most romantic story come on so katie is this before or after and i know you've talked about on this on the show you had your fall yeah this was after this was about less than a year after this is i met you about uh six eight months eight months after are you open to

telling the audience about how traumatic that was i I feel like people that watch the show, I know you've talked about it on the show, but I think you and I had similar experiences. Yours was way more traumatic than mine. But afterwards, I had an identity crisis. I don't know if you had the same thing. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror for three years. I mean, yeah, there was that aspect of it because of the whole cosmetic portion of it. But having a traumatic brain injury is altering to your personality for sure.

But I mean, after my accident, I was so focused on healing physically that the emotional healing didn't set in for a while. And then it started coming up in forms of PTSD. I had survivor's guilt for sure. I had bouts of depression that would come and go. I didn't handle anger very well. Yeah, she had like a hairline trigger. Did I say that right? I had survivor's guilt.

I don't know what that is. Essentially, when you survive something, I mean, I fell 25 feet and walked away. I have minimal scarring. And yes, I do have a brain or had a brain injury, but most people wouldn't survive something like that. How did you fall? I was at my friend's house. We went on the roof and i sat on a skylight

which sounds idiotic it was a big skylight and i wasn't jumping up and down on it i just i sat on like the edge of it basically and it was an old building it was old glass and it just gave and do you remember waking up i mean later on in the hospital. So you don't remember falling? No. You don't remember the ride to the hospital or anything, right? Like in a weird dream-like way. Fever dream.

There's, thank God for trauma, amnesia. I don't remember any kind of pain. I don't remember anything like that. But I do have like kind of like flashes in a dreamlike way of, like, feeling cold. I do almost remember, like, cutting, like, my clothes off. You remember them cutting your clothes off? Like, feeling, like, the cold air on my body, like, because they had to cut, they have to cut your clothes off of you. What about the aftermath?

Like, was it as, your trauma was, like, crazy. But was the aftermath just as traumatic yeah I mean I was like there was so much morphine in my system leaving my body that like in the weeks passing it was just like it was so I was so lethargic and it wasn't really that intense at the time my mom came and she was like helping me but i had my jaw wired shut and i was you know i had a lot of like ribs that were broken and collarbone that was broken so i wasn't able to sit up out of bed or do anything i was able to like shower or wash somebody ordered pancakes she just sipped the scissor oh very connie west of me um. So I mean, I had lost some of my teeth in the front of my

mouth. So I had like a nice little hole for a straw. I feel like I had a pretty positive attitude about it all. I was just so thankful that I wasn't paralyzed, that, you know, the outcome of it was relatively good, you know,athed, and just was so focused on just getting back to my life. But once I got back to my life, I didn't feel whole. I didn't feel like myself. And that took some time to fully realize. And it took years of never really getting back to myself. And that kind of started to come out in different ways. And, you know, over time, again, of just anger, short fused. I have an addiction to lemon. And so does my daughter. So does my husband. We're all a very lemon oriented family. We love a good lemon. We do love a good lemon. So when Go Macro launched

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and then edit it together. Yep. I do think it's important as a viewer of the show for people to understand that it's a 30-minute or an hour show. I mean, that's all they're seeing of a whole life and a whole, like what you just said, this whole story that you've gone through even before being on the show. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of backstory there.

Yeah. You're seeing slices of usually the highest and the lowest moments of our lives and some stuff in between. But yeah, it's polarized. And yeah, we like to think that it's just one facet of our multi-faceted gemstone of personality. Let me ask you guys this, because when you all start, obviously you're going in as a

really tight group, which is what I think makes this show great because so many shows go and they put these people together and it's like, who the hell is that? I don't know who that, but you guys like we're actually all friends. Yeah. I think that was the secret amongst other things. So many great things came together,

you know, lightning in a bottle. But I think one of the keys to the show success is that deep well of history to pull from. We were all dating each other. Honestly, before we started filming, it was worse. It was more dramatic. It was a never ending nightmare of highs and lows. If anything, we sort of, sort of tamed down, you know, a little bit.

Tell us something untamed that happened before the show. How can anything more like, like what? How can anything happen before? Well, when Jax was dating Stassi and, Tom was dating Kristen and I was dating Katie. So it's like these three best friends hanging out with three best friends. And like we always sort of inherited and adopted each other's quarrels and fights. And it was just a never ending, strange, like love triangle. Yeah.

I remember one night me and Stassi were were like let's have a girl's night in at at the apartment that jackson stassi shared and we're like okay yay and then tom and jack decided they were gonna have a guy's night out and they were gonna pre-game at jack's and stassi's place where we were hanging out and they were like having shots together in front of me and stassi at our in our you know when we were trying to like have our nice quiet girls night in. And we were like, what the fuck are these guys doing in front of us? And they were like, they were making these shots called relationship enders in front of us,

like really kind of like taunting us almost. And then they proceeded to like go to the Hudson and we were like. What is a relationship ender shot? Oh, I actually remember the recipe. It was like four locos. So I like, you ender shot? Oh, I actually remember the recipe. It was like Four Loko. So I like, you know, I was being, I was just joking around. I'm being facetious.

You were antagonizing us. I'm going to name this one the relationship ender. It was, by the way, I don't drink Four Lokos, but that night we had a Four Loko, so I utilized it. It was Four Loko. It was acai juice, soda water, and a little bit of tequila.

Why didn't you bring those? Next time. Yeah. Anyways, we made them and sorry to steal the ending of your story that's important to the story i needed to know i needed to know what a relationship ender was so then they like they just they're like all right peace out we're going to the hudson i mean sassy look at us they're like first off not only did they hijack our time and our like girls night in they antagonized us by like pre-gaming their night out and like making these stupid shots called relationship vendors we're gonna go show up we're why don't we go show up at their cute little guys night out and so we showed up at the hudson and we're like hi guys this was all before

the show and they were not happy to see us the hudson used to go off back in the day she's she's missing then we broke up that night so they do work the relationship enter is very potent ineffective why don't you bottle a tequila called tom tom's relationship in there you guys can we hang out some night soon and test the recipe? I'm about to go home and make some tonight. So when did you guys

get approached to be on the show and immediately did you want to be on the show? It seems like it took Tom longer to lean into wanting to be on the show. Well, because the show

was a spinoff of, you know, Lisa being on the relatives of Beverly Hills. So they had called like a staff meeting at Sur. And we didn't know what it was about. I thought it was because we were about to open up the lounge at Sur. And Lisa was there and Natalie was there and Guillermo.

And they're like, so we're going to be doing a show here with you know we want the staff involved we want you guys involved so we want to be talking to you anyone who is interested I need a detail were you wearing the outfits that like what what you're wearing dresses yeah are you wearing the sandro pay dresses at that time yeah no we were just wearing it was just a meeting but those were being those were in rotation but yeah we did wear those saturday nights but i remember the one thing i loved that just was so striking about those you could put them in your hand and squeeze it and it fully fits i thought you were gonna say you could put you could put the ass of all the girls in your hand and it was just like a nice hard no i will

say though my first my when i first started working there i had the regular dress that we wore every other night and then it was my first you know shift working a saturday night and it's like i need the the san trope dress the saturday dress and he handed it to me in just his fist and handed it to me and i was like is there anything else what he did in the dress is there anything else? I know that's what he did in the dress to make it be so squished up. He might have used it in the bathroom thinking about you in that dress. I mean,

why would someone hand you a tissue and it's like here's your uniform. There might have been a tissue in it. Okay, so you're sitting in your jeans and your top. We're just sitting there and they're like so we will be just one-on-one talking to each of you who are interested because you know it's there's not everyone who works there

is forced or has to be a part of the show of course absolutely but me and kristin and stassi of course looked at each other we're like, ha ha. The witches of WeHo. Yeah. Knowing kind of like the story I just told you, the shit that's gone on in our lives with, you know, we're three best friends. We're dating three best friends. We're like, yo, they don't even know what they have. So I went first, actually. We drew numbers because they didn't know exactly how to sit us down in what order. I went down first and I was like, you know, they ask questions like, so like, who are you friends with? Who do you date or who do you hate?

Who have you slept with? You know, all those things. And so I sit there and say, well, I'm best friends with Kristen Stassi and our boyfriends are all best friends. And they're just like. We essentially filmed Vanderpump Rules before there was Vanderpump Rules minus the cameras

yeah we were living it again lightning in a bottle they didn't even know what was already happening and it's Tom at CERN

working he was at Villa Blanca working so he wasn't working at either places so that's why he wasn't quite like involved right

away and also i thought i had too much artistic integrity i was like no i'm an actor i would never hear about the artistic integrity okay first of all i maybe booked one southwest commercial and i did you know i did background on like csi a few times oh yeah um but no like i know just in my mind there was still a stigma attached to reality TV, which now it's like everyone, that's awesome. I love it. And I have so much respect for it having done it. But in that moment in time, even though I hadn't had a ton of success in my professional career, commercial acting and print stuff, I still loved it and was very passionate about it. And I felt like that would be the end of any dreams of becoming an actor.

By the way, I was not a good actor. I'm still not. Love it still. I was in the classes. I was taking all kinds of intensives, comedy intensives. And I loved it. And I still do love it. But yeah, I had no real shot at becoming an actor.

But in that moment, it was very high stakes decision. I was like, because I this the irony of me watching shows like the hills growing up and and i remember like audibly i was be outspoken about my opinion like this show is awful i hate shows like this i would never do a show like that in that moment i jinxed myself because cut to what 10 years later and we're doing a show with the same executive producer from the hills who we love shout out to bill langworthy one of the best to ever do it we love him at evolution anyways i think i jinxed myself back when i was watching the hills now i'm going on a tangent uh no i love this i'm obsessed with the tangent so did you guys get immediately cast like when they hear all the different dynamics

and spider webs that are happening and everything are they like this is this is this is it i mean it's basically they had to they had to yeah it was undeniable yeah and it readily like it just it revealed itself and it's such a a dramatic fabulous way like you know let me tell you what i mean like someone like me i probably had the same kind of outlook on reality tv growing up as you did we all like similar you fucking love housewives let me say don't fucking lie no no i do now i'm in the world now i'm in it but a show like yours for someone like me i was on the outside like that sucks you into that because you cannot get on no offense but it is such a shit show what's going on there's so many different crazy characters watching like eating popcorn he's i sit there look at lord i'm like what the fuck's going what i'm like how'd this? How'd this happen? What's going on?

I'm like, I'm in it. I would argue that you guys have two of the best reality show villains that I've ever seen, Jax and James. Yeah, I would agree with you 100%. Jax is, you know, he is one of the- You can't write these people.

Yeah, I know. No. He's in it. Like, I mean, Jax, I've been friends with him a long time and there's only one Jax Taylor on the planet. Yeah. Like, I mean, Jax, I've been friends with him a long time and there's only one Jax Taylor on the planet. Like I remember, I always, I always am reminded of that quote from Fear and Loathing in Las

Vegas when he's talking about his lawyer as a high powered mutant, never even considered for mass production. He just, he's a one of a kind and he's, I mean, I could go on for Jax about hours, but anyways, you're saying jacks is jacks is great he's great tell us a story about when you and tom and jacks lived together didn't you guys all live together well me sandoval and kristin live together oh tell us a story about jack so yeah so i met tom on craigslist yeah i want the background so i met tom on craigslist roommate seeking roommate I want the background. So I met Tom on Craigslist, roommate seeking roommate. I didn't know anybody in L.A.

Packed everything in my 2003 Honda Civic. It was between Tom and a stripper. Yeah. And she was the more financially stable, like the safe choice. But he took a gamble on me because we had the same initials. Oh, Joe. Is that true? Yeah.

He's like, I don't know i just felt a connection with you um yeah so and then you know within two months you know jackson ended up moving in and tom you know came to me and he's like hey i think one of my buddies from back in our old school modeling days miami's gonna move with us and i'll never forget what i said in that moment i was like as long as he's not too big of a presence and then in walks the loudest mother effer that i've ever met in my life the human yellow hummer jack's tail and um we hit it off immediately though and he had a sheet for a wall in the living room yeah and he pulled so many girls. You know what, Michael Bostic? What? I feel like I'm getting smarter with Policy Genius.

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It was never a deterrent. He had the sheep the she's a handsome man he's super handsome okay this is like way backstory but i when i first launched the blog in i think it was like 2010 i was looking for girls to interview and no one would say yes to me because i was like no one knew what the blog was so i would go on facebook and like find girls to interview and get their diet tips and tricks and secrets. And so Nikki Davison, who I think, you know, yeah, I was friends with her on Facebook. And I see it's like Stassi pop up on like her. Like, remember, they had like the top eight or like your favorites like back in the day. So I click Stassi and I'm like, oh, this girl's perfect.

Like, she's beautiful. She's so cute. I'm going to reach out and email her. And for some reason, I'm like, this girl's going to be famous. Email her all the questions. She sends them back to me. And then I started stalking her and I'm like, oh my God, her boyfriend is so cute. I'm like, he looks so normal and cool. And like, he has it together. Like this guy is so cute. Jax. So cute. Like way later when you guys have the show, this is like five years later. And it was just like,

so wild to see the evolution of that. Yeah. I don't know if I was right about him being so stable together. He's come a long way. I'll say that from where he was 10 years ago, but he, it feels, it feels like,

I don't know if I believe in destiny, but like people like Jax, I feel like he was destined to be on reality TV. He was meant to be. He really shines the brightest on reality TV. And Stassi and Bub, I don't feel like I'm great on reality TV. You're amazing.

You know the best thing about Jax, he's fit for reality. He's such a crazy character. But then when James came on, it was almost almost like how did these two crazy people it's almost unbelievable because they're both so i mean i mean this in the best way they're both so fucking out there and all of a sudden they're in there and they're both so unselfaware that they're both so out there and they're it's just a wild when they first met like

years ago now like again they've both come so far like put so much work into themselves you know james is sober now he's like he's blowing up djing but like back in the day yeah he was a loose cannon and he's so lippy he's got the sharpest tongue ever and him versus jacks was always just like a sight to behold he also has such a sharp jawline i've never seen a sharper jawline. And that is a compliment. Like, people go and get their jaw filled to look like James' jaw. Goals. Yeah, goals. For sure.

But Jax and James were so much alike in ways. I think that's why they, like, butted heads. Like, in, yeah. It makes total sense. Yeah. It makes total sense. So, going back to when you guys get casted, did you guys know when you

get casted what you were getting into and did you know how big the show was going to be and what like what are you guys thinking when you start filming i would love to know like the evolution of like when you started to now i mean there's no way to know what you're getting into absolutely not there's no manual for this shit we just knew that we had to just live our lives be complete open books we knew that we what we told them about our lives was the reason why they were interested and so we had to just do the damn do the damn thing i think you guys it was i don't know if it was unspoken or spoken but there was a more or less like a pact like we're going all in on this at least with them all like everybody at the main the primary cast i was on the fence

wary unsure per usual but yeah they all were like let they were you guys were all in yeah we were just like we're just gonna fucking do this like like we're just gonna try to you know i mean we weren't gonna like try to make a good show we were just like we're just we just have to like live as authentically as possible that's the only way that this show is gonna ever be successful so after the first season comes out you guys go back to your jobs living your normal life when when do you guys both remember a time when you had an epiphany like, oh, my God, people are watching this? It's a great question. And I had so like for the first three years, I didn't I didn't really make much money.

And I was still kind of on the fence about being on the show. But, you know, I was still bartending, doing like catering jobs and stuff. And people will slowly after like season two, they started recognizing me. And it's a weird place to be in being semi-famous, but still working like customer service jobs, still bartending, serving, which is fine. I love that industry. People like started to get this,

there would be this tone of like, aren't you that guy on the show? That show's like huge. Why are you bartending? Why are you serving? Even though everyone on the show is servers still, was just i don't know it was a very strange they expect you to be way more well off at that point yes yeah because i was i was the only one who didn't really work in the restaurant but it was a it was a weird time for me i felt lost

yeah and i'm very yeah that was the most lost i've ever felt la to be as the show was blowing up um it's hard to pinpoint the exact moment. Because, yeah, it was like a sort of like slow build of like, yeah, when people like started recognizing when you go out, they would recognize you but wouldn't place you right away. They'd be like, did you go to Cal Poly? And I'm like, no. And are they nice or are they?

Yeah. Yeah. But they wouldn't know where they recognize you from. And then they'd like, where do I know you from? And I'd be like, oh, do you watch Bravo? You know, and they were like, oh my God. And you're like, yeah. You know, but.

It took off season two. I think when it was like, got really crazy when you realize is when it caught the attention of like people like Chrissy Teigen. And Rihanna. Rihanna Rihanna like like like celebrities like people that I admired for so so long and was fans of when they became fans that's when I was like oh my god like this I think I think SNL did a skit um yeah alluding to like to Jax Jax was you know they had a Jax character I forget the skit but that was a huge moment a game-changing moment when it started popping up in like pop culture,

sort of things like that, like parody in that way. Like that's when it started like more mainstreamed that way. And everyone at some point in their lives, well, I think most people go through a scenario with their friends, like, oh my God, we should be on TV. Or like, oh my God, what if we had our own, what if they filmed us, like your group of friends and all of a sudden it was happening and um it was terrifying yeah what about a moment where

it was like so much recognition at once like it likes people like coming up to you like a mob almost was there anything like that or what is it more like people come up to you like slowly here and there they're shy well that we did do something called a vander crawl in new york that was our beatles moment it was tell me about that i want to know like every single detail it was i think it was after like what season four maybe and it was yeah bravo did it as like a promotion and we did in new york around i think it was around the west village yeah we went to like four different bars and they invited people or people could buy tickets and we literally did a bar crawl and you guys are just drinking with it in bartending and bartending and drinks hanging out but like it was hanging out madness there was a thousand people in line screaming our names it

was so jolting i felt like a backstreet boy i felt like britney spears like it was it was that was a surreal moment where we had like security where we had like something like that and it was wild it was did you like it i because i did feel i did feel safe it was it was really cool what if you guys are sitting down eating dinner and you're you're in a deep conversation and someone comes up to you let me do an example I never do this I never I never would do this but me and my daughter were just sitting over there and my daughter is such a big fan do you mind taking a selfie of course i i have

like i have no boundaries i listen i work you know i work at tom tom pump sir like i that that's like one i have no boundaries you can come up to me i'll take a shot with you we can talk about life tell me your problems katie's a little better at setting boundaries but i'm so grateful you might as well i grateful I'm grateful because who knows when it could end so we're enjoying the wave we've been riding it's not that I'm not grateful it's not that

it's not that it's just like sometimes when it's like when it is that I'm like literally eating food you know it's like that's when that's the only time when i'm sitting there and if you're all looking like a homeless person and you just look like so gross and then you don't care i don't necessarily mind that but um one time you say no they will go to twitter or social media

and they will talk about it and they will make you look like an asshole and then it picks up stassi came on the podcast and said that she never said no once besides this one time that she was like at an airport and she just felt so ugly and hung over and she said she said just not right now and she said i think they went to twitter yeah i mean but the thing is i don't think they'll understand is that sometimes like you have bad days or sometimes you're on your period and you feel like utter shit and like you just want to put your head down and not be bothered you know it's not that you're not grateful or anything like that it's just that like we have really bad days or sometimes you're just like feeling really sad and depressed and if they get any sense of you being irritated or anything

something by the way i'm generalized these are generalizations but like there's always like if they sense that you're annoyed that you ask them there's an immediate like who the fuck do you think you are you're just a reality douche like give it up like they'll turn on you generalizing here but some people i'll qualify some people will turn on you so fast from like oh my god i love the show to be like what the fuck do you think you are like but it has nothing to do with that it just has something to do it's just like i'm just feeling really really in a in a bad way today and i just need to like be left alone that's katie every day you know what's good michael i don't know that that that noise can be interpreted multiple ways. Okay. It's not you. It's actually Bev. Okay. Bev Wine. You guys have

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As this is growing, because you guys are all starting out as just best friends. I would say normal people, quotations. We're just everyday people. But how do you start managing personalities and egos? It's almost like you referenced the Beatles, but it almost is like a band where it's like you start together, but then there's different trajectories for different people.

It's like, hey, you're trying to all keep it together, keep the cast, keep the show. People are trying to do their own thing. How do you guys manage all that? Do you guys all get together and have a meeting? Or is it everyone for themselves? Fuck it. How does that all transpire?

I feel like everyone has tried to keep the show or everyone's tried to recognize that the show comes first. The show is what keeps everyone else's you know shit moving and so to not get bigger than that or to get bigger than anyone else and like to keep you know some kind of sense of camaraderie we don't get together and like it's not like hey guys the monday meeting we're all striding so yeah i don't think anyone well you know even though there's clearly different there's clearly stars on the show meeting. We're all strutting. Yeah, I don't think anyone, you know, even though there's clearly stars on the show who shine brighter than others,

but it is an ensemble. And when we're filming, yeah, people manage their egos. And, you know, again, there's an unspoken rule, sometimes spoken, that you just, you know, you put it all out there.

You don't censor yourself. And while we're filming, all is fair and love and war and Vanderpump rules, you know. But after that, you know, shine as bright as you want. You know, everyone's got their once once the cameras are shut down, the season's over. Then, yeah, people's people's egos do flare up in different ways sometimes. I want to talk about both of your entrepreneurial journeys. I guess I'll start with Tom. At what point did you decide you wanted to partner with Lisa and Tom and do this restaurant?

Was it an idea that you and Tom had together and you approached Lisa? How did it come about? It happened after our wedding, our first wedding, which was lovely. But Lisa came to us and proposed the idea of partnering up a restaurant in West Hollywood, probably my favorite city in the world. But in that moment, I was so overwhelmed emotionally and exhausted. I declined. I can't believe I said no to Lisa Vanderpump. I don't know if you guys know that. Yeah. I don't know if they ever aired that part, but I said respectfully, no. And then, you know, we met again a few weeks later when I had time to rest and I wasn't brutally hung over and we agreed to it. And yeah, it was awesome. It was, it was, It was kind of scary.

Why did you say no the first time? I just... Artistic integrity again? I felt like I had been working my whole life to get out of the food and beverage industry, you know? That makes sense. It was always a means to an end. And then I felt like another sentence of maybe 5 to 10, 20, who knows?

But as I had more time to think about it, I realized what a great, possibly once in a lifetime opportunity is to get to work with the great Lisa Vanderpump and Ken Todd and have a bar in West Hollywood, like a city that's so near and dear to me in one of the coolest locations. Yeah, one of the best locations. Thank you.

And yeah, so I'm so happy in hindsight, we did say yes, even though, you know, we're minority stakeholders. It was an opportunity to get my foot in the door, to learn and yeah, so I'm so happy in hindsight, we did say yes, even though, you know, we're minority stakeholders, it was an opportunity to get my foot in the door to learn. And yeah, I'm glad I did it because it's been so rewarding in so many ways, not necessarily financially, but like, you know, I've just had such a great experience in there. And it's, it's also been a catalyst for other areas of my life professionally, you know, it sort of woke me up. I think I was in a professional slumber. I don't know. Rip Van Winkle. We don't, we don't have to go down that. We don't have to dissect that, but yeah, I just, you're not in a professional slumber anymore. I mean, I think it's the hottest restaurant in LA. It's got to be one of the most known places in the city now. People, I see people driving by and pointing at that restaurant all the time. Really? Yeah. I mean, no, I'm eternally grateful. I go in there and I talk to everyone in there

and I'm like, thank you so much. I'm so grateful that people continue to come in because you guys know this is Los Angeles. Those are some of the best chefs, the best bartenders, the best restaurateurs in the world come here. So it's hyper competitive. So to be even mentioned, you know,

on a regular basis or know that people are coming out of town to see us is really cool tom's a real humble guy yeah you got a good one yeah yeah you got a good one he's being so modest no i'm just being honest it's it's really cool you have your podcast yeah you also told me earlier that you had launched lipsticks yeah this was well we did like when we had puckersticks. Yeah, this was what we did. Like when we had Pucker and Pow, I wanted to try what it would be like to have like a product. So we launched it with Julie Hewitt, who's like makeup artist and lipstick queen herself. And so we did that just like a limited run of of lipstick.

And it sold out, right? Yeah, of course. But it was just like it was just like a fun thing. So, you know, just to play around with products. I'm always trigger shy when it comes to stuff like that because I'm definitely risk adverse and scared of failing at things because I'm not necessarily perfectionist, but when I do things, I want to do them very well. I see that.

I feel like you two are the friend that everyone goes to to help plan their party and their baby shower. And like you you're, it seems like you're very organized and detail oriented. Yeah. It can become, it can become a cop-out though. Like perfectionism, at least in my life, like there's so many things I've wanted to do. And I just felt like I wasn't going to be able to execute the way I wanted to. And they're now they're just lost dusty notes in my iPhone. And like this year I'm getting rid of my inner critic. He's taking a year off. I'm going to go for it.

Wait, I don't want to make this about me. You talk now. No, I love this. This is like therapy. I get the perfectionism thing. And Michael's like more like Tom. Like he's like, come on, like do it. And it's like, no, I need this detail right in this detail.

But we would like like some kind of makeup kit from you. Because your makeup's always on point. Check out those brows. I know, the brows. I think that's the first thing I asked you when I saw you in person. No, I mean, okay. Well, I do get a little help. I do have some microblading going on.

But minimal. I mean, I was born with a unibrow what can i say no you look like you almost like have like a ponytail lift they look so good you know it's a ponytail lift you know how bella hadid and gg hadid have like the cat eye oh like it looks like you have a lot doesn't all i have that i don't know it's a natural thing isn't it or is it a it depends who it is i don't is they're going to twitter now running running running to twitter no but i think i think i think i do need to do some kind of brow kit i think that should be my next thing i told her that it should open and sing

raise your glass like you open it like one of those birthday cards. Yes. Yes. Please. Can I sing Raise Your Brow? Raise Your Brow. Your arch. I would love to know something that you guys have learned from Lisa or you love about Lisa. It's so crazy that you're her partner, but I feel like you guys are also friends with her and you work for her or you did work for her. You work with her with the show, what's something you love or something she's taught you? This is, well, this is, oh man,

I don't know how satisfying an answer this is going to be because it's kind of vague. But I think she's just, she's been a spark, a professional spark. And just watching her, you know, she's got like four shows going right now. She's got Vanderpump Dogs. She has four restaurants. She has multiple charities now. She's got Vanderpump Dogs. She has four restaurants.

She has multiple charities going. She has so many things going on. Just looking at her, I had to stop and take stock of what was going on in my life professionally. I'm like, man, you need to step your game up. Step your game up. Because I'm a big momentum guy and I lose momentum. I've lost momentum several times over the past few years but i feel like i got it back now i thrive with momentum yeah no she's it's

like she's somebody that i constantly feel like a little ragged doll around like a little ragamuffin around her oh because she's always dressed up she's like i never see her with a single hair out of place like ever but yeah she's just I feel like always just like very inadequate but I mean just in terms of like what I admire about her is a lot about her marriage with like Ken and the integrity that they both have with one another and they always say make sure you say I love you every single day and I miss my I love you today from you I sent you like a huge thing of flowers today like a huge one you know I mean that's that's one like

you know quick to forget Jesus we joke saying our first wedding I say as our wedding I mean we did kind of fuck up with our license didn't really kind of get officially filed initially but you were married

you guys are but you were married like as a viewer i'm like you know you guys are married we were married in our hearts in our in our heart and heads which is the main thing but we got that sorted out but she officiated our wedding but we went through a lot but she was you know imparted a lot of wisdom on how to you know make it last to build a beautiful people are such fucking hall monitors you didn't get a license you know who gives a shit I don't you know what

if you guys told me that you were married I don't give a shit if no one knew that they wouldn't even think anything of it me and my husband we got a license

right away what's the hall monitor in Harry Potter's name the one that like storms through the halls and is like checking the halls oh

I'm a late adopter to Harry Potter so I'm not gonna get the reference listenry potter so i'm not going to get the reference back in my day i'm gonna have to google it get the hall monitors got beat the fuck up he's like don't be snitching there's too many characters and i can't hall monitor harry potter hold on please hold you know that's when like cancel hall monitors that's that's i'm all about bench yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i want to know a lot of people look to you guys as look up to your relationship i feel like you guys have been through all different kinds of things what are

your key secrets to a relationship i think it's to continue to date each other yeah yeah don't don't don't feel like you have the other person fully figured out that's a disaster let them let them grow and evolve and well like just we and we still struggle with this but like you know keeping the romance alive is key because it's so easy just to defer to our default mode of living together where we just like kind of speak gibberish nonsense we don't really do anything we watch a show together we barely communicate we talk to the dogs more than we actually talk to each other which is great my favorite thing in life to do with katie is nothing i love it but we that's a secret that's a secret what you just said though being able to do nothing with someone

yeah but we make points to like do things together like to go out to dinner, to be like, to date each other, to go on like dates with each other together and to keep things interested. Also like, you know, be interested in the other, you know, hobbies. We have, we have each other's things, you know, our own independence, our own identity. What are your hobbies? Tell us your hobbies. Katie, put her on the spot. Yeah.

Well, I mean, mine are lame. That's okay. They're not lame. Well, I mean, I like to do Legos. Michael loves Legos. Hey, listen to me. When I get super stressed out, I'll go and buy a bunch of Legos and just sit there. That's her meditation.

It's very cathartic to me. I like to do things with my hands. That's sort of like it's my therapy. I call her Bub Villa. She's very handy. Oh, I love it. i like i like to do things with my hands like that's sort of like it's my like i call her bub villa she's very handy i loved yeah i like i thought you meant like you like to give a hand job when you said that no i mean like but even jobs are back now by the way people would make fun of me because there's like you're always like folding laundry folding to me like i worked in um retail and like i loved being able to fold things because it was like again kind of like that perfectionist thing our house isn't meticulous at all like it's kind of cluttered it's always like a little bit messy things but when but when i fold let me tell you i feel you want to come over

i fold like a motherfucker i'm gonna need your folding tips and also to keep the romance alive can we talk about how michael rolled over yesterday and goes you want to poke are you fucking kidding me i'm like that is where we're at in our marriage i looked at her and i i got a little like wild hair you got a chub and she was like i'm doing my launch my i'm like oh and then like then then she waited too long and it was over but that is not romantic saying do you want to poke here's the thing the worst part about like sex in any any point in life is the initiation in my opinion yeah but like especially during marriage initiation oh we have to take our pants off and stuff like it's really hard well it's been really hard in in this like quarantine lockdown where it's like it's different when you're like you've spent a day apart you're you know you're busy and then you come back

together and you're like hey when you've just been sitting around all day apart, you're doing, you know, you're busy and then you come back together and you're like, Hey, when you've just been sitting around all day, how do you like, you know, flip the switch and all of a sudden you're like, Hey, you say, you say, you want to poke?

Thank you. You know, how else do you like, do you just like spin around and like, I just kind of lay there and present. You do, you do do that actually. When I get out of the shower,

you just lay there. Is it like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to visualize it's on his back as easy as possible with his boxers to his knees so he doesn't even take a full boxer off that's not true

yesterday was a little wild you're gonna regret not taking that poke one day you're gonna say fuck I should have taken that extra poke you could grab a nipple one day I'm gonna be like 80 something years old like fucking something michael what's your what's your conversion rate with the cold open do you want to poke honestly it's pretty good really yeah i mean it's not i was i'm surprised you said no i just don't

love that word it feels like i'm fucking like a 50 year old one of my favorite books is this book called lonesome dove and it's but these i won't get into it but they they, they always, they call these things pokes, right? They just want to poke. And I was like, Oh, I kind of feel that I just moved to Texas. I'm feeling a little like Western. I mean, like cowboy, I'll get a poke. I dig it. Hey, literally. What are you saying? No, one of my stepmoms. Taylor, if you don't turn your fucking mic on when you're talking to the show,

I'm going to come back there and smack you in the head. You're going to get a poke in another way. So Taylor's referring to the fact that I said on the podcast that my stepmom's advice on relationships is I came. I used to bartend for like five years. And so I would come home at like one in the morning. You know how tired you are after you're fucking working and dealing with all the personalities and everyone's cosmopolitan at 34. You come home and you're tired and he would want to have sex. God forbid.

So I called my stepmom and I'm like, oh, please. It's like so tired. Just like, what do I do with it? She's going to be like, just don't do it, sweetie. She goes, Lauren, you rally. Hey, you might need to refresh your course with her. So now I rally. But last night, the poke, like I was just like, okay.

All right. Go beat me. I got to be honest. If I saw myself last night looking the poke, I was just like, okay. Alright. Go beat me. I gotta be honest. If I saw myself last night looking like that, I would have maybe turned me down too. It was not my best look. I want to know Katie's relationship. Are you looking at two people who are just glazed over right now? We're like... We've been super lazy. We're streaky.

But we're hot. We're like, uh-huh. It's been an ongoing thing that we talk about. I'm sorry you have to have the image of me with my boxers on my knees. I was picturing the Al Bundy where you're just chilling. Yeah, that'd be hotter than the poke. Anything at this point would make anything spicier. Have we sent you guys woo in a vibrator?

I have. I procured one myself. Okay, good. What's your relationship tip? You said date yourself. Or date each other. And I date myself one myself. Okay, good. What's your relationship tip? You said date yourself. Or date each other. And I date myself as well. I'm pretty damn good at it.

But yeah, like, be, like, I think, I think, I think making yourself interesting to the other person as well. So, like, like, keeping your, like, own shit going on, too. I think, I think when you become too much like a unit like what else is there i'm sorry i think i think when i look at people that become so much of a couple i'm like like what don't you guys get bored it's admirable on some level but yeah sometimes people lose too much of themselves that can be dangerous fall in love with yourself all over again you know reconnect with schwartz reconnect with maloney and then it'll only go to fortify yeah the marriage right i think i think i think that i mean it might not have

a lot to do with the relationship because i think your relationship with yourself is most important and i think that makes you better for your relationship with the other person honestly and then yeah i think yeah love your love yourself sounds so cheap it's almost like trite now you know it's like a buzzword but i mean it's true you got to put work into yourself it's hard to being in a loving it's hard to be in a loving balanced relationship if you really are struggling with some inner demons are you know i'm not making light of you know any mental illnesses people are dealing with but poor tom has to give a disclaimer for everything he says what has has people done on Twitter?

I'm going to get on Twitter and fuck people up. I'm a neutered dog. Oh my god, I feel bad. He has to give a disclaimer for everything. He's always been like this. Yeah, that's true. This is not because of Twitter or social media. No, but listen, you guys are put under a different type of microscope

than most people. It's just a fact. It's just true. Like, things you say, even things you've said on this show, people will pull clips and they'll pull it out of, like, Lauren and I could say

wild shit all day and be like, whatever. Podcast, who gives a fuck? But you guys say anything and it is just like, it's out there. Yeah. No, they're totally going to do it.

It's okay. For sure. And we love a good roast. We're all for it. Like, I love getting roasted and again, again you know some people should be held accountable for things they say but it just goes it just gets too there are people who have made careers creating social accounts just based off what you guys fucking say like that's that's true yeah it'd be fun to do a vanderpump roast like get the whole cast and do a roast on each person.

That would be so fun. It'd be terrifying. We did that with Jax, like season three. And it was really fun. He had just started eating. Brittany and her mom was there. It was really funny.

I don't know if you guys remember, but he's a, he was a great sport about it. Everyone's having babies. Yeah. Yeah. I know you guys get asked this every fucking second and you can tell me to shut up,

but I know the audience already asked a hundred times on, I be remiss not to ask like i have to ask yes or no yeah we that's the plan what's the time frame what's our time frame yeah i don't know like listen like there's some stuff like he's working on right now like i mean listen it's gonna happen it's gonna happen when you want it to happen yeah and it's right for you and it's like people are like but you're never gonna be it's not like we're like we're not ready right now but i think you know you both want to bounce back after this last year i don't blame you i lost my rhythm the thing is we were we did actually try this past summer we're like you know what like maybe like right now we're just sitting at home like let's see if we could like make this happen it didn't and now that like shit's opening back

up we're like let's just like hold off a little bit longer but not too much longer we're gonna make some babies but i don't know i don't know go home after this podcast and ask her for a poke no i think i'm just selfishly asking you because Zaza needs a friend. Zaza doesn't have any friends in quarantine. But you guys moved. I know. So what?

We're back here still. She needs a friend. Can we talk about your guys' old condo? We used to live across the street and that place took forever to get built. I've had some of my best moments

walking back and forth deliberating how I'm going to propose to Katie right in front of that building with that whole space right there is very near and dear toating how I'm going to propose to Katie right in front of that building with that whole space right there is very near and dear to us. I love it. It's a great...

You didn't tell your story about Tom. I was like, oh my God. I'm like, there's that fucking guy, Tom. He's better looking in person. I'd see you at Gelson's over there. I'm like, do I go up? I'm one of those weird dudes that goes up in fanboys.

You guys are better looking in person. I mean, you're gorgeous on the show. Well, I would see you. In person, you guys are even more magical. You guys are projecting your beauty onto us no no no no but it was but i remember that whole that you guys were like all in that area and i bought a condo there in 2014 so like you must like probably around the same time you guys were all there right we probably had just moved just moved i can only imagine tom walking down the street to Gelson's and people shouting out their windows. That area will always...

I just saw the place. It's gone now. But that whole area, if you're moving to LA and you're young and trying to find your footing, that's one of the best places to move to, I think. I 100% agree. Not that condo, but the condo that you guys have. Now? The one that you guys were living in.

Still. Still. We're still half and half right now. Yeah. That place we lived across the street still half and half right now yeah that place we lived across street from so i don't know that place but same gelson's yeah same last thing i would love to know a book a podcast a resource that you really love this year could bring you value it could be anything love that question show it could be anything that you

think our audience would really like anything that's like kept you inspired or sane during this crazy last year we just watched your honor which was good but then the ending was bad let's see well um this is not something that was deeply moving but we finally watched lost it was great loved it um let's sci-fi though, Lauren. You're out. You can't do sci-fi. I guess lately I've been really inspired by Hidden Brain, the podcast.

I've heard of it. Radio Lab. Radio Lab's good. And also Revisionist History with Malcolm Gladwell. And I have a few of his books. I've read I can't remember the name on the spot, but shout out to Malcolm Gladwell. You've been a few of his books. I've read, I can't remember the name on the spot, but shout out to Malcolm Gladwell. You've been a beacon of light throughout this past year.

When he tunes in, he's going to really appreciate it. Tom has a nice voice. It's not bad. No. He's doing his podcast voice right now. In my mind, I sound nasally and like neurotic when I talk. When I see, oh, by the way, don't get me started on seeing yourself on TV.

It is ego shattering. It's the worst. It's like- Why? It's like, you know how no one likes their voice on a podcast or on a, on a answering machine or whatever, seeing yourself on TV, even though I love myself, it's, there's like, there's just like complete dissociation. In what way? It just, I'm just like, oh, I walk like that. I sound like that. Oh my God, your hair. Like,

no, why did you say, I'm just always roasting myself and hypercritical and do you watch it all back no i very i'll watch it in small doses because you know i want to know what's going on and i like i want to be engaged because i don't see everything that's happened you know while we're filming i'm not in every scene so um i want to do my job do my due diligence but like it's very painful to see myself on tv i still haven't been able to do you guys get pissed off after the fact if you watch like, what is it? Not a confessional. They used to do that in real world.

Like what do you. Yeah, they do. They do confessional. Or like. Is that what it's called? A scene that you weren't in and somebody said something and you're like that motherfucker.

I didn't know he said that, but even, but it's later now. Like, or are you just like, whatever it happened? Um, earlier on,

maybe a little bit, but now, now we just know. Cause it's like, we do the same stuff. And we know that like that's par for the course. It's part of the job. We have to do it because, you know, and it was then.

It's more civilized now, but in the first five seasons, like we would sit around as a group and drink. And then sometimes people would see confessionals like that while the person's sitting right next to them. Something, you know, maybe like Sheena said about Jax or whatever, anything. And they're right there and it's so uncomfortable. You guys, I wish you could experience that. That's what needs to be filmed. You guys watching the reaction after the fact drinking. Yeah, we used to like watch together, but I don't know.

No, it doesn't bother me now. I mean, some, I don't know. It is what it is. I'm listening to the three podcasts that you just recommended. Do you have anything that you're looking at? Now I'm blanking on literally everything. Did you read any good books this year? Show, podcast, book, Netflix, reality television. You said Utah, Housewives.

Salt Lake City Housewives, so good. I mean, I've watched so many so many shows what have i watched watch all of outlander i need to watch that so good i love outlander so much she got the scotch um from the show one of the guys in the show it's so good check it out the um sas and x scotch when are we going to see a tequila katie brand coming out that would be so great right i mean that's that's it's hard i don't even know where to begin to get tequila it would crush but like that's a that's a challenge can we at least get a tequila katie on the menu a tom tom yeah i think i'm really relationship enter a tequila katie can we talk i'm a little miffed

that there's not a tequila katie on the venue there was in the beginning too there's bubba's tacos or the bubba's tacos though the heck of my tacos where does the name bubba come from leave us with that uh it's it was like an evolution of like the you know generic like babe Like babe turned to like baby turned to baby turned to bub turned to rubba turned to bubba. By the way, I've made it a point this year. Anybody who's still listening, you guys, I'm going to budget how many times I say bubba. When and if we film this year. Okay, I'm not going to abuse it. People get it.

People don't like it. Oh my God. People don't like anything. I'm a people ple abuse it. People get it. People don't like it. Oh my God. People don't like anything. I'm a people pleaser. Who cares? Where can everyone find you to leave nice comments? I want to challenge everyone who is listening to this podcast to go leave Katie and Tom a nice, uplifting, positive comment.

Wow. That would be lovely. God, what a plot twist. It's like, what the fuck is that? How about in person at TomTom? Not on my social media. Meet me at TomTom in about three weeks, optimistically, cautiously optimistically.

And on social media, Tom. Oh, yeah, I'm TWSHWA, T-W-S-C-H-W-A. This has been awesome. By the way, before we go, you guys are crushing. Can we talk about all your success, the empire you've built? Look at this backdrop.

This is the dream of so many and you're living it. We got a long way to go. That's very nice. Thank you. Follow Katie. Katie's so cute. Follow me at Music Kills Kate.

Why does music kill Kate? I don't know if I've ever asked you that. Because I haven't changed my phone number. I'm not going to change my handles. I respect that you haven't changed it with everything that's gone on in your life. I respect that it's like you kept it the same.

Tom, she's trying to keep interesting for you. you don't need to know everything about her okay i like you later at a date night i like consistency yeah i mean you know what because i like music i'm always have it was i had i used to have a music blog and that was when i created my handle so it lives i love it yeah okay we're gonna come into Tom Tom. I'm trying the Bubba's tacos. I'll meet you there. Text me when it's open. I want to come. Get the four local relationship.

We're pregame at your guys' place. We're in the studio here. 100%. We're doing it. Michael will make you a relationship ender. No, no, no. I want to. He might ask all you guys for a poke.

Yeah. Listen, you give me a couple of relationship enders. Tequila, Katie. I'll be throwing pokes left and and right you guys are an incredible couple you can come back anytime i feel like i could have asked you a hundred more questions also definitely go listen to my episode on katie's podcast yes talk about that it's with dear media it's fucking crushing it what episode we don't know it's like one of the earlier ones okay and, you're gonna love me. You're gonna love me It's so cute. Thank you guys both for taking the time. Thank you guys are awesome. Thank you for having us

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