The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - Weight Loss & Management, Skincare As We Age, & Loving Yourself Ft. Katie Moyer

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

703: Today, we're sitting down with Katie Moyer. Katie has been a professional makeup artist for over 20 years, working with celebrities and national brands. On Instagram, @makeupandskinforkatie, she talks about all things beauty procedures, skincare, and makeup. She joins us today for a conversation surrounding personal weight-loss transformations, fixing your relationship with food and exercise, and the journey to self-love. She also discusses all things makeup, skincare, and skin treatments. To connect with Katie Moyer click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Salt & Stone Visit saltandstone.com and use code SKINNY at checkout for 15% off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Nike Find your feel with Nike Bras & Leggings that deliver supportive flexibility and comfort for whatever your day brings. Shop now at nike.com/women This episode is brought to you by Branch Basics The Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit will provide you with everything you need to replace all of your toxic cleaning products in your home. It’s really a no-brainer. Go to branchbasics.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off their starter kit and free shipping. This episode is brought to you by Sun Bum Visit sunbum.com and use code SKINNY15 at checkout for 15% off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Caraway Ditch the chemicals with Caraway. Visit carawayhome.com/SKINNY to receive 10% off your next purchase. Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.

Aha. I started, I was 233. I just started with the calorie counting. I lost way more than the pound a week. And that's just an indicator that I was eating above and beyond even maintenance level at 233. Slowly but surely, I started doing just different weight exercises that were like group fitness. And I was like, this is really boring because I got, I had gotten into that like adrenaline, like having to do really high intensity all the time from the classes and just cardio. And this

felt like a lot of standing around. But even after those two weeks, I had like four people tell me, what are you doing? Like, I can see definition, which I myself couldn't see, but other people were noticing. And I'm like, damn it, it's working. And then I fell in love with weightlifting. This is one of those episodes that just hits. I know you guys are going to love Katie Moyer. I actually was served her on Instagram. She came up on my feed of a reel of how to do makeup if you're over 40. And I started following her. I found the topic so niche and interesting. And I just sort of fell in love with her. She really is well-rounded. And I think that's what you'll get out of this episode, a really well-rounded conversation.

We're going to talk about her weight loss transformation, lacking discipline, getting into weightlifting, getting intentional with your nutrition, skin treatments she recommends, makeup over 40, all the tips and the importance of good skincare products. This one just has so many skinny confidential takeaways that I think you will have your notebook out by the end of it. Katie, welcome to the Him and Her Show. This is the skinny confidential Him and Her.

Michael's mind is about to be blown. Wouldn't be the first time. Katie is in studio. She's going to rock everyone's world on all things beauty procedures, skincare and makeup and on makeup for 40 plus, which I'm so excited to get into. But first, I want to get context of your story. And we were just talking off air about a transformation you have. So let's start there. Talk to me about what you were living like pre this life. Yeah. So, I mean, I think I always struggled with weight, you know, from the time

that I was really little. I just I grew up in the 80s with the like sugar free era or no fat free era. Everything was fat free. I remember my mom brought home like a five pound thing of Sour Patch Kids because it says a fat free food. And that's we could snack out of that because it was fat free. So I developed really early on, like just a sugar addiction. And I mean, I think that's really common anyway, just wrestling with weight and never being given really defined tools on, okay, here's a clear path on how you lose weight. So it was just kind of like fumbling through, just, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm going to just not eat or like just do boiled chicken. And then I would go off and binge and I just could not figure it out. I got like the workout aspect pretty early

on, but like you can't outwork a bad diet, you know that. And so, you know, I got to my biggest, I was 250 with my son and I was like, I'm miserable. I'm absolutely miserable. So I gave birth. I remember going in to give birth and my husband was like, oh my God, you weigh more than I do. It's like, I know. So I gave birth and then I just got a notebook. I got a calculator and calculated how many calories it took to be at that weight. At the time it was like 233. Like how many calories am I taking in at 233? And I just subtracted 500 a day. I knew that 3,500 calories is a pound. So 500 calories a day for a week, that's a pound a week. I knew that was like a safe way to lose.

And I just kept a notebook and a pencil on the kitchen table. And I would be like, I'm going to eat an apple. And then I would go to like this physical dictionary that had calories and like search through and be like, like apple 72 calories and write it. And if I didn't, if I couldn't find the calories for something, I wouldn't eat it, but I would have ice cream or I could look up like Taco Bell and have one taco. I mean, nothing was really healthy at that point. It was just like, I'm going to stay here. And then it organically advanced into what it is today. But like, it definitely wasn't like that 15 years ago. And how did you know to count the calories this way?

Like, did you have a resource or a coach or anybody that was teaching you this or just your own research? Yeah. So I actually worked, I went to Texas Tech and I actually worked in the fitness and wellness center. And I mean, because my, I was, I always wanted to be thin and fit, but I just didn't know. I mean, I really like I knew that, but I like never had put it into practice. I just thought I could do it without being like really rigorous. And at the time, like that wasn't there wasn't my fitness pal. There was there was a website called Spark People that I kind of got on eventually that would help me, you know, calculate this. But I just picked up that information from working

there because I would do the caliper testing on people, like the skin fold, like on the back of their arm and like give them their body fat composition. When you look back on that period of time, because I gained 60 pounds with both of my kids too. And it's really hard being in the industry. I know maybe you weren't in your industry yet, but loving beauty and wellness and all these things and gaining so much weight and having truly an identity crisis. I mean, I feel like looking back, I feel sad for myself. I didn't have the tools like it seems you didn't have either. I was ignorant on how to lose weight. And I don't want to say I was depressed, but I was not my best self in a lot of ways. And I kind of look

back with sadness on that area. Do you have the same vibe? Yeah. I look back and I feel like, oh, if only, like, if only you knew. I mean, there was a part of it, I think, that I just wasn't willing to make some sacrifices either. I wanted to have fun. I wanted a party. I wanted to like do all the things, but I also wanted to be skinny. But like they didn't go hand in hand knowing that I, you know, I lacked some discipline that really was a factor, a big factor, but yeah, I feel bad for that girl that was judged a lot for that. I mean, I was, I was in the industry as a, as a professional makeup artist and you're around models and like beautiful women all the time. And I do remember being just in the background constantly. And that was okay. Like I

do have a heart for that. Like I love to serve and it was, it was nice, but like there is a difference to be completely invisible. If you were to give yourself at that moment, coming out of the hospital, three tips of what to focus on now with everything you know, what are those tips? Yeah, that's a good question. I would say give yourself like a lot more time than you think. It takes three years. Yes.

I think that one of the biggest mistakes is putting this like super, super short timeline on things. And that makes it just so much harder because everything takes at least 1.5 times, if not two, three times longer than you anticipate. By the way, I think that's not just for health and fitness. I think that's for everything. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's literally for everything. Yeah. Business, all the things. Yeah. I think we're really, as humans, we're not good at contextualizing how much time it takes to build something worthwhile and to build confidence and to build something greater or

to make changes in your life. I think we just, we want it now. And so then we don't give ourselves enough time and then we get discouraged because we haven't given ourselves enough time. You don't see results quick enough and then you give up. But it's like a cycle a lot of people get on. Yeah. And I think like social media is, it romanticizes that because everything is put into just such a highlight reel. And we think, oh, wow. I mean, I still have to tell people that was over 15 years.

So what are your other tips that you would tell yourself? You can't have it all while you're building, you know, while you're going for that goal, there will be sacrifices. And, you know, it wasn't until I said, okay, I am going to have to sacrifice some things because this is the most important thing to me. And when I was able to like, you know, let down maybe some of the social aspects

of life in order to pursue this other thing, which for me was physical fitness, you know, then it was, then I was able to get a grasp on it, but I was trying to hold onto everything. And while I was doing that, I wasn't able to really achieve my goals. And we have friends, a lot of single friends still, and they like say, oh, I see you guys in the gym. I want to get in the gym, and I want these results, but I still need to like go out and be able to drink like two, three nights a week. And I'm like, well, I'm not judging telling you what to do, but it's just, it's impossible to go and get what you're telling me you want while also behaving

that way. And they're like, well, the argument's, well, then I can't have fun. I can't enjoy life. But you're telling me that you're not happy in your life right now. And you're not willing to do this. So I think it's like a lot of the times people are just, to your point, unwilling to look at themselves in an honest way and say like some of these behaviors just aren't ever going to map out. Right. Like it's deferred enjoyment. If what you're doing now requires you to sacrifice the other things that you want, I just would look at it like, well, it's just deferred. I'm going to be able to have those things. I just can't right now. I like how Melissa Woodhouse says, how bad do you want to feel good? Yeah. It's like you do have to sort of like,

look, I would write everything down that's important to you and maybe prioritize what's the most important to you. Yeah. Because it is sacrifice. You mentioned earlier off air, you said something like you would you. I don't know if you said you had sex with the lights on or the lights off. What did you say? It was the opposite. There was, there's a lot of people that were like, well, you know, not only like the weight loss, but even, you know, plastic surgery or, you know, filler or anything aesthetics, like how bad must you have hated yourself to totally you're unrecognizable. That's what

people say. And I go, it's the opposite. You know, I've been married 17 years and we've never had sex with the lights off, even at my heaviest, at my worst, because it was never about self-loathing. It was about, I know that I can be better. And, but like, you know, when you found your partner and you're together and it transcends that, it's only fuel to pursue better because there's a safety, like a level of safety. I think it's some people want a partner that's going to challenge them to be their best. But for me, finding my husband and being able to be like, no, I'm fully known and fully loved this way. But like now I can, there's not a sense urgency to be like, oh, my gosh, I have to lose

weight or he'll leave like that wasn't there. It was OK. Now I can focus on doing and if it takes longer, that's fine. He's not going anywhere. This is it was just it was just a different it was just a different dynamic. That's really interesting that you say that because I had sex with the lights on at 10 months pregnant when like, I feel like your penis popped my water. Like that is how fucking pregnant I was. Okay. I'm here to serve.

The lights were on. It was like, have you ever seen Road Trip? The little skinny guy is having sex with like the huge obese person. That was me on top of Michael. I'll never forget his face. And he was like not built like this when I was 10 months pregnant with my first baby. It was like skinny road trip.

Was this what did it? Like this is how he had to... He had to gain some muscle from doing the doggie. But I totally get what you're saying with... I think that that helps when you have a partner that's supportive of the journey and not so much focused on the destination all the time. Well, you know, on a tangent here, I think sometimes couples struggle when people decide to make the changes that you made. A lot of times like couples get comfortable with each other and

then one person decides they want to make a change. We were like, how do you, you know what I mean? It's like this whole thing to manage. We've seen relationships kind of go sideways when one person says, Hey, you know, I'm going to like change my lifestyle or change my habits or whatever. How did, how did that manifest in your relationship? It sounds like you guys are still together, but. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's great. And he's so funny. So we, I joke about my husband. He's the world's best confidence warranted or not i mean and and i always say you know you know when someone loses a limb in the war and it's called phantom limb he has phantom high school body it's it was gone it's it's gone he lost it a long time ago but the man still sees it

and i'm like do you dream in your high school body and he's like yeah absolutely like when he looks at himself like he walks by the mirror and he like looks over with his man boobs and he's like I still got it like he's so confident and there is something that like like you're just like yeah yeah you do like there is something about that like the confidence is attractive I believe what you're selling me but you, you know, like I said, this journey has been a while. But I remember, you know, a couple of times, like, you know, I was a stay at home. I still worked as a freelance artist, but that's not I mean, I'm not getting ready for the job. So I'm really with the kids a lot.

Then when I would go to my job, I'm not getting dressed up. But I remember the ones like one of the first times like okay i'm going out i'm getting dressed up and my body was really changing at this point and he wasn't coming with me and he walks out and he looks at me and his eyes he he does that like the you know once over husbands need to do that more often you could do the once over more often go on agree i want the ones over twice let's focus on. Agreed. I want the once over twice. Let's focus on the guests, Lauren. Don't worry about me. Give him a tip or two.

And I can see him like his wheels are turning because I'm going out for fun, going out with friends or whatever. And he kisses me goodbye. And he says, as I'm leaving, remember, I married you when you were fat. That's a good reminder, though. It feels like it's sweet.

Yeah, like don't trade me in. Remember, I was there. I've been there. He's a good reminder though it feels like it feels like it's sweet yeah like don't don't trade me in remember i was there i've been there he's a confident guy yeah he's so confident but i mean there is always i think you know he i i think even though he's very very secure there is always like okay well we've we've been through it all like just remember like i put in the time but yeah he's he's been great. And I think he's definitely part of my story. Well, the reason I brought it up is some people decide to make certain changes that it almost threatens the dynamic of the relationship.

And people feel almost in a way like they're being left behind. I think it takes a confident person to say, hey, I'm not being left behind. I'm still here. But I think you get to a point sometimes where if you're happy with yourself and you love yourself, great. But that's how I think about everything too. I don't feel good about myself when I know I could be better if I made certain sacrifices or decisions to be better. I feel out of integrity, not with anyone, but just with myself, if that makes sense. Yeah. No, absolutely.

As I become a dad, I think about, okay, like I could not do this certain thing or I could eat this certain way, but that's an example. And I know I could be better. So it just, it makes me not feel great about myself. If I know I'm phoning something in that I could be doing better. Does that make sense? Absolutely. I live by good, better, best.

Yes. Yeah. Talk about that. Oh, so, I mean, I learned this as a newlywed and it was just like, you know, you make a good choice, like good between good and bad choices, you know, andel the situation or, you know, get me to the next step, the next goal, whatever. And so I think that that's what you're saying, especially when you become a parent, it is no longer just completely, you know, isolated to how does, you know, how does this affect me? But now there's affects this like whole little orbit of humans and so yeah i mean you

don't want to live in a constant state of shame yeah but i do believe this is gonna be a clip michael's a fourth japanese i do believe that a little shame can go a long way and people should embrace a little more shame in their lives oh my god my mouth tape sold out he's like well hopefully it sells out when you get it back in stock again. Let me elaborate. Can I get an A plus here? Can I enjoy this moment? Let me elaborate on the point. Like, I think we live in a time now where people are like, let's disregard all forms of shame and just love everything about ourselves. And if they're being honest with themselves a lot of the time, it's like, no, maybe you should be ashamed of the way you're behaving or the things you're saying or the way you're eating or the way you're carrying yourselves or not holding it. I think, again, yes, I am quarter Japanese and shame was abundant in our

household. But I think people have shied so far away from having shame that they then have just given themselves carte blanche to engage in so many bad behaviors and then say, I can feel good about this. No, sometimes embrace it. Feel a little bit bad about yourself. The shame is a signal to you that you know you could maybe be a little better. No, I love that. I do. I think it's a barometer for how well you're living. The answer isn't to find a way to anesthetize yourself from any feeling of bad, but it's to go, Hey, this is just a signal that maybe I need to investigate what I'm doing and say, is this appropriate? And you weigh it, right? Like you, you, you take it and you're like, okay, but I'm not willing to do what it takes to not feel this way. So I will have to live with that little bit of shame then.

Cause and, and like you're saying, is a little self-confrontation. Like last night, Lauren was putting the kids down to bed and I snuck down to the kitchen and I dove into this honeycomb ice cream. It's so good. Honeycomb, it's raw, real egg. And listen, it's like, you can have,

I was like, Michael, treat yourself. Ban something. Yeah, I was like, treat yourself. Have a little ice cream. I ate the whole fucking car. And I was like, you know what? This is not good. This was like, I didn't need to do this. I was like, treat yourself, have a little ice cream. I ate the whole fucking cart and I was like, you know what? This is not good. This was like,

I didn't need to do this. I was like, I got rid of the evidence. I threw it away. I didn't let you see it. And I was like, you know, I should not feel so,

like I knew, like treating yourself is one thing. Being gluttonous is a different thing. You know what I mean? And so I was like, okay,

in that instance, like if I have to hide the ice cream cart from Lauren so she doesn't come down. Little, little backstory. If he got an A, his mom said, why isn't this an A plus? Not my mom, but.

I want to know when you were doing your transformation, what exercises that you were doing? Because you talked about food, but, and I've seen you post your workouts. Talk to us about that. I think I started, I was 233 and I just started with the calorie counting and I lost way more than the pound a week.

And that's just an indicator that I was eating above and beyond even maintenance level at 233. And so at the time we were really like hard up for money. I mean, it was, it was tight and I got, I got close to 200, but I said, I, I'm low on calories now at this point. Cause I kept dropping. And I said, can you, I asked my husband, can, can I get a gym membership and go? And if I go, I have to go twice a week. And if I don't like, then, then you can take it back. Like if this is an expense that we can't, you know, figure out or whatever. So he said, okay. And so I started

with spin class because I just loved spin class. And then slowly but surely I started doing just different weight exercises that were like group fitness. And I did that for a long, long time, group fitness. And then I would say probably 2018, I was bidding on like weightlifting for just like charity. And it was like a two week weightlifting, like Olympic weightlifting class. And I was just like, okay, I'll, you know, it's for charity, whatever. So I went and it was like, you could go as many times as you wanted in those two weeks. So I went every day and I was like, this is really boring because I got, I had gotten into that like adrenaline, like having to do really high intensity all the time from the classes and just cardio. And this

felt like a lot of standing around, like your heart rate would get up really high when you're doing it. But I'm like, this is so boring. But even after those two weeks, I had like four people tell me like, what are you doing? Like, I can see definition, which I myself couldn't see. But other people were noticing. And I'm like, damn it, it's working. And so I just bit the bullet and was like, OK, I'm going to I'm going to try doing this. And then I fell in love with weightlifting.

Why do you think there is such pushback with weightlifting? Because I have very similar experience with you. I feel like you and I have had a lot of parallels. I was against weightlifting, too. I was like, I don't want to bulk up, but it shrinks your body composition. But I notice online because I get DMs about it. I'm sure you do, too. It's like people are scared of it.

Yeah, it's really weird. I think that we're indoctrinated to think that. I mean, I don't know. I just I even thinking in movies, you see women running and doing the Stairmaster. And yeah, you don't really see like the main character going in and like squatting. Like it's just not something, you know, my generation for sure didn't. I mean, we were like Jazzercise and like squatting. Like it's just not something, you know, my generation for sure didn't. I mean, we were like jazzercise and like all the cardio stuff. To me, it lowers my cortisol too. Like I can feel like a dopamine release. And I think that that helps you lose weight. And I almost think we overcomplicate it so much. Like have to run at this incline on the elliptical. It's like you almost need to just stop and take a beat and lift. And like you said, it's a little bit of

standing around. I think a lot of men, when they hear women saying, I don't want to do this because I'm going to bulk up, it's like the funniest thing ever because we work for years and years to try to bulk up just a little bit. And it takes so much time and many don't even ever get there. And like, you have these women who are like, I better not work out because I'm just going to get so big and huge and strong. And you're like, what are you talking? Like, it takes so long. It is. It's so comical. And if they only knew when they see women that are so jacked, how much work it takes for even, you know, for a woman, like you said, a man for one, but even a woman is that much harder. It took me three years to put on like 20 pounds of muscle, three years. And that's with me actively trying to do that. And so it's funny, like, you know what I mean?

And I'm trying to bulk up. And so when I hear women say that it's, you know, every guy's different, but it's like, maybe even if you really try maybe five to 10 pounds, but you're not going to look, you know, it's going to shrink you because the skin's going to be tighter to the muscle. I mean, everything changed when I lifted weights. And I remember what I would do is be like, well, it's not working. Let me just do more cardio. And I mean, I was, and I was talking to my dad, my dad's an internist and actually like

really into exercise science. And, but he's's he's very matter of fact like the man has no he does not he's no social skills does not how he doesn't know how to sugarcoat anything but I was talking to him and he said you're you're triggering your appetite he goes slow down stop doing too much he, do you know who can combat that ability to overeat once they do cardio to the level that you're doing it? He's like, they're called Olympians. They know how to translate that type of working out and then know how to eat. Like you're a mere mortal. You are triggering your your appetite and then I'm like ravenous and I'm

trying to eat lean but I'm so hungry and that just clicked for me that I was like I am triggering my appetite because I'm saying because you were doing so much cardio you would get so hungry and then yes starving so then you start eating and and the funny thing is I saw this woman on like TikTok saying that meat and protein and lifting is like Ozempic. Like it does the same thing that Ozempic does. It keeps you full, satisfied, satiated, and you lose weight. And I think a lot of people don't realize that a lot of protein with weightlifting, that it has so many benefits. Did you notice the benefits of your skin? I really noticed my skin is tighter to my muscle, which looks youthful. Yeah. I tell women that all the time, that that is one of the best things that they can do for

cellulite and just shrinking everything up because it does. And to your point, when you work out and you're running and doing cardio and then you're trying to eat a high protein diet. But when you do cardio, you're burning sugar. You're going to crave sugar I was, I was depleting it. And then your body just naturally is going to crave whatever you're losing. Well, if I want to eat a higher protein diet, then, you know, lifting weights, it does make you crave it a little bit more because that's what you're expending when you're working out. It's funny. There's like an old trick for people that are trying to cut or get leaner. And when you have, I don't want to say it's an appetite suppressant because it's not, but it satiates your appetite where like if you all of a sudden

get super hungry at night, instead of going into the fridge and grabbing a bunch of carbs or bad food. Or honeycomb ice cream. You would go and have like, I've done this too. You go and have just water with like 50 grams of protein in a powder.

You shake up. If you drink that, you will not want those carbs after because it's so much protein. And it's a way for a lot of bodybuilders and people that are trying to kind of not get that kind of carb intake or those calories to just like immediately satiate themselves, but with protein instead of the other stuff. And I think like for anyone listening, if they get to that point and they're super hungry, try that and you'll see like, oh shit, I'm not that hungry anymore. I do that before I go to an event or a party. I'll take a protein and froth it up with fiber powder and drink that so I can make choices that are

positive. That is such a good idea, actually. I mean, any event where I have to be out or a happy hour. And then also if you're drinking, at least you have like some protein in your system. What are some little skinny hacks, tips, tricks that you do? That is it. Just keeping healthy snacks, pre-made food for one. I used to not eat breakfast at all. And I do eat when I wake up. I still like to just from years of doing it,

I still like to work out on an empty stomach. But getting that food in within an hour of working out really does help. I wouldn't say I'm necessarily protein heavy. I do still keep pretty balanced diet at this point, just because I still love to do HIIT workouts and things like that so I still have a place for carbs. I won't naturally grab protein. Like that's not just, that is something that I have to be extremely intentional about. I always eat the protein first on my plate even like over like the micronutrients just because I know that I mean I would still even rather have fruit and vegetables over protein. So just making sure that that's always, I'm always intentional with the protein.

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Your home should be a place that you are detoxing, not retoxing. I had a friend come on the podcast and he told me the importance of making your home a place that you detox. And the main thing that I have found that helps me detox in my home is to have products in the house that are free of fragrance and hormone disruptors So I switched my entire cleaning supply situation to branch basics I have to tell you that if there was one thing that I could like wave a wand and have everyone in the world Do for their home it would be to switch to branch basics Everything is safe enough to use around you, your babies, your pets. I have two little dogs that are really close to the ground,

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a starter kit or their new gel hand soap. You are also really intentional about your beauty routine which I you guys have to go look at Katie's Instagram you're you are one of the most meticulous methodical people that I've come across when it comes to beauty and I don't mean it it's I don't mean that in a vapid way at all. You're just thoughtful behind the process of it. And I appreciate anyone that has, takes a minute and a beat to edit things and refine it. And I think that you do a really good job. What are some beauty procedures that you think are absolutely amazing? What are ones that you don't like?

Talk to us about the way you look at beauty because it's unique. I always am looking through things as the eyes, like through the lens of a consumer, first and foremost, like, is this what I would spend my money on? Because in the early days, it was like, no nails. No, I'm not doing any, like everything's going into my skin. Like when we were on, you know, major budget, I didn't want clothes like this is where it's going.

And so I always think that above anything, skin like treatments that affect skin quality are top tier. So, you know, lasers, things that fight pigment, things that are going to induce collagen. Those are the things that those are non-negotiables and those which ones you have to tell us brands um microneedling whether it's radio frequency microneedling like skin pin microneedling that i just booked him an appointment he has no idea he's getting salmon semen all over his face microneedling what a wife what a wife go ahead what a wife what a fucking wife salmon semen microneedling no wife does that go ahead you really like pause for a second here I feel like I need an award really truly honestly

slow down here you don't want salmon spooch well I I don't think so May 13th if you don't take the appointment I'm gonna call Katie and she'll come and do it

I will literally be here in a heartbeat does microneedling hurt oh don't be a puss no listen guys don't have the same pain threshold that's true

but you do get numbed yeah he'll be fine really next up is your ball sack because we can't have those get saggy i watched this woman give birth twice and i was like i'll never say that i'm tougher than any woman again because i saw that and i was like there's no there's no if if child birthing was up to us men we would have been done a hundred000 years ago. Katie, go ahead. Microneedling. Yeah. So microneedling for sure. I love like an IPL or a BBL. Those are both like target pigment. That was a game changer for me. I love that. You know, good skincare, obviously. I talk about skin treatments like you go to the dentist for a cleaning twice a year. But if you're not going

to brush your teeth every day, like, come on, that's your skincare at home. Like you have to be doing that. So if someone tells me I just have enough money for one treatment, I'm like, what's your skincare routine look like? And they're like, well, I use this. I'm like, put all of that money into daily care, then build up your savings and then get a treatment because no one's going to just go to the dentist twice a year and not brush their teeth. And that's what that is. Or like getting your hair dyed and brushing your hair and then like expecting not to brush your hair at all. Absolutely. Like the skincare is so important. What are the brands that you really love?

You'll be surprised how many Michael know and use. I can't wait to hear what you're. I've only done 9000 podcasts where we we talk about these things. He knows. He's trained. Well, I'll tell you right now, I have been floored with plated growth factors and exosomes. Floored. So good. I love them. And I did a deep dive on growth factors. Nobody come for me if I do get this wrong, but I will say that where they source growth factors are really important. What they're finding early on, they did some plant growth factors, but what they're finding is it looks right on paper, but it's not working. It's not communicating with the human cells. So human growth factors are really good. And then I do love Biopel's growth factor, which is from snails, but it's not your Amazon snails. My friend was like, you're lying when you say this,

but they're snails from Spain that they harvest their mucin. Love it. And these snails are kind of like starfish where you cut off an arm of the starfish and it grows back. They found that these particular snails have this like crazy exorbitant capacity to heal themselves like instantaneously. And so basically they've extracted that from the mucin, which is I I think, just technically their spit, their saliva. Is this a brand? Biopel.

It's called Biopel. Biopel is the brand. And so they have 10-50 and 10-40. I didn't think that the 40 was as miraculous as the 50 was. But it's a 10-day. There's like 10 ampules. You take an ampule, divide it day and night. And I'm telling you, I mean, you have fabulous skin,

so it might not blow your socks off. But at the time when I first tried it and then people that I've gotten on it that have never used growth factors before, they're like, no, it's voodoo. What is actually a growth factor? Like what, do we know? We don't know.

We don't know. We don't have to go down there. Do we have time? No, it know. I mean, we don't have to go down. Do we have time? No, it's I mean, basically, it's something that is going to stimulate the cell regeneration. So like TNS growth factors is from foreskin. Like that's the whole I know. I'm like, you're into that. Yeah.

So that was like there was like this whole thing about that one. So let me get this straight. I'm going to get salmon semen, snail goo, and four skins on my skin. And then I will be. Why do you care? I don't care if it makes your skin look good. I don't care. I've done worse.

I'm like out with the guys like, hey, Michael, your skin looks great. We're at the bar. I'm like, listen, guys, I've been putting little dick on my face i can't wait for that and also rubbing some fish semen and also i got this snail goo from spain and i am on point the guys be like yeah nice that's all that's all good they're into it everybody's gonna run into it if you do it they'll do it they will do it it's true i am a trendsetter yeah carson you ain't if i do it yeah They will do it. It's true. I am a trendsetter. You are. Carson, you in if I do it? Yeah, I'm in. Why not?

What are the specific brands that you like? Like, are you a SkinCeuticals girl? Like, what's your vibes? So let me think what I'm using right now. I love, I am using the Plated in the morning. I use the Isden oil cleanser. Okay. And then a revision foaming face wash afterwards to like wipe off the residue. You have revision. I like this. Keep going. Yeah. Let's see. Growth factor. What else? I'm using a tretinoin. And then, so for nights,

I'll sometimes throw in an azelaic acid, which I absolutely love. It's really good for sensitive skin. I feel like it gives a glow. I love a lactic acid also. I think it hydrates the skin and exfoliates it. I think it's just a beautiful product. And what's the brand? The one that I use for the azelaic acid is Ondew.

A-N dot D-E-W. Okay. It's lovely. And then lactic acid, just different ones. I have a couple. You'll have to post all your stuff. You'll have to send us a link. I want to talk to you about your mother. You have posted the most beautiful Instagram clip, and I'll let you explain it, that went viral. I actually think this is so weird. That's how I found you and went to your page. Maybe. I don't know if it was through beauty. Okay. Yeah. So the one that people picked up where I'm, is it, am I talking to her about herself? Yes. Okay.

Yeah. So I had actually seen someone do that where they were talking to them. So it's been a journey learning like all about the disease. My mom has advanced dementia. There were symptoms of it when she's she'll be 82 this year. So my mom had me at 40. It was a complete accident. She was going in for a hysterectomy. They were like, you're pregnant. So you're totally unexpected.

Yeah. My brothers are like 15 and 17 years older than me. So, so she's going to be 82. And at about 70, we started seeing a little bit of signs and they did an MRI on her brain. And there were like 40 like pieces of evidence where there was calcification on her brain, which they say is like mini strokes that none, nobody had ever experienced with her, but that was kind of an indicator of where we were headed. So it's been a long time coming. And I would say that in the last three years, there's been a deep decline to where she doesn't know who I am anymore. Dad was having a

really hard time like taking care of her alone. So at the beginning of 2023, they moved in with us. Wow. What has that been like? It's been crazy. Yeah, it's been really hard. But also at the beginning of 2023, they moved in with us. Wow. What has that been like? It's been crazy. Yeah. It's been really hard. But also at the same time, like so wonderful. My dad was really driven in my youth. Wasn't necessarily around like not in a negative way, but just very, just very career oriented

and grew up in kind of the there's the breadwinner. And that's what I do. And the mom does this role kind of partnership, really mom was a stay at home mom. And so to see him in the role of caregiver and just loving her so well and being so patient because with dementia, I mean, there are, there are the sweet times, but there are the really difficult times. Like she throws temper tantrums and all kinds of things. And to see him just be so loving and it's a different human than I've ever experienced. And it's really, really, really sweet.

And so I'm thankful for that. I'm thankful for this opportunity to meet someone that I didn't even know was in there. What is this viral video? Explain what you did, because it's beautiful. You guys have to go watch it. So basically, I saw people were telling me, and from the books I've read and the experts I've talked to, is really don't necessarily remind them that they're forgetting. You don't want to do that. That's going to aid in their confusion and give them anxiety. And so I saw someone basically

telling her mom about her mom. And I thought that was so cute and so special. And so I decided that I was going to do that with mom. And I was just going to record it really mainly for I'm trying to record moments with her. My brothers, I have three brothers, and so they're not here. So just opportunities to like give them pieces of how mom's doing and things like that. So recorded it. And I think it was just, I think it just touched people to see. And you told her all about like who she was when she was young. Yeah, just sharing with her the mom that I knew as a child.

And what was that? And because if people haven't watched, what was her response to it? She, you could see glimmers of recognition sometimes where, oh, I like that. I should meet her. I think what got me the most is at the very end, she says, does she look like you? Which was like, you know, I'm like, yeah, she does. So it was really sweet. And then my daughter came in at the very end, you know. And how do your kids respond to it? It's hard a lot. Like they get frustrated because they see her get frustrated with my dad, but then they're there to witness all of his like selfless love.

Yeah. How old are the kids? My kids are 15 and 11. Okay. So they're old enough witness all of his like selfless love yeah and how old are the kids my kids are 15 and 11 okay so they're old enough to kind of like comprehend yeah but i think still they want to i think human nature is to put logic behind something that's just illogical yeah and so they really want to try to be like no me ma he's been here. Because she'll think like, he's got a woman on the side. He's out sleeping with someone. Does she remember him? She does. Occasionally. I mean, there's highs and lows. It's very much like a flickering light bulb. And so there's moments where she'll say, that's my husband? Or is he your husband? Which grosses

me out. And I'm like, no, no, that's yours. So how do you manage as a family if she gets into a space where she's maybe unsure of who's around her and where she is? Like, what do you tell her to make her feel better? So one of the things I think that's helpful for my mom is that she's so Southern Belle polite. She remembers that kind of stuff. She does. It's ingrained in her,

like the people pleasing, the really nice. So even though she doesn't really know, she's super, for the most part, like really polite about things. Like she doesn't want to be, she's like Emily Post, the rules, you know, she doesn't want to not say something right. And so I can pick up on cues and like, kind of be like, you know, we're here at your daughter's house. Jim is here. He's just not in the room, things like that. But there is a level of familiarity now that has kind of come over time that it's not, it's inexplicable to her, but she knows that she's in a safe place. And is she in good health other than the dementia? She is the dementia. I mean, yes, the dementia does like, there's little like

arms of dementia. That's weird. So she has something called gait apraxia, which if you've seen like little old ladies or little old men that they shuffle when they walk, that's gait apraxia. It's like, really, I don't know how far to take a step. I'm really unsure of the step. So it's it's almost like a depth perception thing. So she shuffles when she walks and she gets really bad vertigo sometimes. And it looks it looks scary, but it's really just like she's dizzy. When this is all going on with your mom and dad living in your house, when did you launch this career that you've had? Because I feel like I don't and I don't know you could tell me better. I feel like you have really grown in the last year. Yeah. As

a creator. Yeah. So I started when my career ended in 2020, like, you know, like everybody else is. Yeah. So I thought, oh, I'll just get on and make some tutorials and things like that. And it was fine. But the beginning of 2022, I started with 2000 followers and then ended 2022 with like 150. That's wild. That's huge growth.

You know that, right? Yeah. I mean, that's That's huge growth. You know that, right? Yeah. It was really wild growth. One thing about you that I've seen from afar is everyone will ask me, oh, what should I do to break in? And it's like, you have to find something that makes you really niche and unique. And I think you've done a good job of that. And one thing that I think is so interesting about you is you explain to women over 40 how to apply makeup because a lot of women are applying makeup wrong and it's working against them. It's actually making them look older. You and I talked when you put too much

makeup on and you're over 40, it doesn't look good. You actually need less makeup. So I would love for you to talk about that and how if that is the way that you broke in because it's super unique. Yeah, so I definitely like, I'll say the closer I got to 40, the more I was like, this shit looks really bad and I know how to do makeup.

Like, no, I was just like, this is like, I know what I'm doing and this is like not, I was stuck. Like I'm like, I was using'm doing and this is like not i was stuck like i'm like i was using double wear and that looks great double wear michael is a really heavy foundation just michael i'm gonna be lost in this part i'm gonna try to keep up go along but i will say one of the things that was pivotal for me was i was on a shoot for crunchy roll which is a division of anime it's like or like it's like it's a a division of Sony for anime.

I can talk about Crunchyroll for a while. There you go. So a girl was on there. She was, you know, sitting in, she was the actress,

like going to do a countdown of the best anime or whatever. And so I'm talking to her. I'm like, is this your job? Like, this is your sole job. She's like,

no, I work there in research and development as well. And so this was probably 2021 at the end of 2021. I said, oh, okay. And his social media had always intimidated me, especially Instagram. Cause I would get on and everybody looked so pretty. And there was all these, like everything was curated like to a T and I'm like, this is just like, I don't even know. I don't know how to pull it. Like I felt very, this is not me. And so I just didn't do it. And not even like, especially not in a capacity to be influential. So she said, well, you know,

what changed after 2020 was that everybody wanted real and authentic to the point where if they could tell that a video was taken with a video camera and not a phone, it didn't go as far in the viral space. So she's talking to me, this thing like in my brain goes, no, I if that's what people want, I can do that. I can show up without the filter. I can that I can do that. Other stuff intimidates me having to like, think of all the fonts and everything look the same on the page. Like

I can't do that, but if you just want who I am, I can do that. And so once that shift changed, I wasn't worried really about what I looked like or how it was presented. It was really just like, I have a message to get across. And this is a resource for people that, you know, have hired me and I can go back and watch this video. So it was really going to be just kind of this library for my clients that hired me over 40 to go, OK, I can't keep coming over to your house to show you the same thing. Go watch this video. Now you already have the tools.

This is how you apply. And that I think resonated with people. What mistake are people over 40 making when it comes to beauty? Give us every single speck of detail. Is it people like specific like it has to be over 40? I mean, you could say it better than me. I think 40 is a place that even if you've done fillers, Botox, all the things, 40 is a point where your skin definitely does just start breaking down. Like your elasticity is that breaking down of elasticity is really starting to rear its ugly head. And I think that the number one mistake is full coverage foundation. I always tell women, I go in your quest to completely cover every spot and vein, you have now traded one problem for another because now all I see is foundation. But in your eyes, you're saying, oh, I don't see that spot anymore.

But you're not seeing what the rest of us are seeing. And the rest of us would probably rather see a freckle or an age spot than like this layer of impenetrable shellac. And so it gets even more problematic as you become 40 and over because you have now more creases, more wrinkles, more, you know, texture on your skin. Because babies like shed their skin like every 14 days. Like that's why you get baby soft skin, right? So the older you get, that cell turnover rate starts to slow or get off from each other. So when that happens, you have differences in the skin texture.

It just, even if it's not like overt, you're just going to start to see it. And so that's why skincare is so important. It's imperative that you're turning over those skin cells, but also just the fact is you're just not going to have that baby smooth skin anymore. Recently, we went on a vacation and I needed a body sunscreen, but I didn't want a body sunscreen that was super heavy and thick and left a bunch of stickiness on me. And so I decided to test out Sunbum and they have this daily body. And when I put it on, it felt like it was my favorite body lotion, but obviously had SPF in it. So I put it on the morning and I would forget about it, which was amazing because we were going to lunch. We were having champagne by the pool.

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like almost sweaty look to them. Yeah. And like my grandma looks like powder. Like, why are we wanting to look older? I don't like powder. I don't want powder anywhere near me. Yeah. To be honest, I don't even like powder on my eyelid.

I asked my makeup artist to put concealer on it because I look older with powder. Yeah. No, I agree. I think that that's 100% true. Like even today, I noticed that my eyelids are dry and the powder eyeshadow has picked up every little dry patch that there is. They do. Not on your eyes right now. I'm saying it does. The eyeshadow,

I think sometimes can work against you if it's too powdery. Absolutely. And it's nuanced, right? There is a way to do things, but I tell people if you don't know how to do it right, then don't do it. Right. Like that's just, it's a, should be a non-negotiable. Yeah. Like practice in the privacy of your own home. And then, you know, when you nail it, then go.

But like, don't just say everybody else is doing this. And that's another thing. We see a lot of the beauty influencers use a lot of heavy lighting. They use a lot of like different trigger. And I'm like that, that just doesn't look good in everyday life. It doesn't translate. It doesn't translate. And there is something you can, you can do a lot of things in good lighting that I wouldn't say, go walk down the street with that kind of makeup on. What are other things that you see that people are doing that is working against them? For instance, overfilling the face, too much boat.

Like what are things that you see that you're like, no. Yeah, I would say that overfilling is a big thing. I think there's such a stigma against surgery that people are like, let me do everything I possibly can. And I'm like, why? Yeah. Why if there's this thing that will fix what you want, that will give you a beautiful result, why not do that? Well, also, if you actually do the math too, if you're spending money on filler every six months, it's actually more cost effective. My favorite thing that I saw was he's one of my favorite plastic surgeons because he just tells it like it is. He's so like he's just so balls out. Like, I'm just going to say he doesn't care who he offends. Yeah. But he's like this idea that

filler is going to lift the face is just fucking bullshit. He says, tell me this. He goes, nobody comes in for a facelift and goes, they all do this. They take their fingers and they pull at their ear. He goes, nobody comes in and goes, I want a facelift like this. Yeah. Where they're puffing out their cheeks,

they're closing their mouth and putting air in their mouth to blow out their face. And I'm like, yes, that is not. And so you're distorting it. And a big thing, you and I were talking about it earlier, a big thing about good makeup and style and aesthetic decisions is not by treating things in isolation. It's treating things in harmony. So a lot of times, like you, you know, the idea of like the perfect body isn't necessarily the size. It's the ratio of boobs to waist to hip. The same thing goes for

the face. It's all about the ratio. It's how things play together. They're balanced. They're harmonious. So I think one of the biggest mistakes is women go, I don't like this. And they point to one thing and then they go treat that one thing. And now they've thrown off the balance and the harmony of their face because things aren't mathematically in line or they'll be like exactly where you just pointed the nabial whatever they're called the folds and they put filler there and they only treated that and then the eye goes down when you're looking at them the eye goes down because the weight's down here instead of up here it's like you're so right about the harmony it's like the golden ratio absolutely that's exactly it and so I think that that's the biggest problem

is that's not a place that you cut corners. You don't say, well, I can only afford this. Like then don't do it because you're throwing it off. That would be like, I can only afford one boob. They're a set. Like just do them both. You know what I mean? Wait until you can treat your face in its entirety.

Go to somebody reputable. And then also there are things that you just need to accept about aging. Yeah. That like you just cannot fix non-surgically or at all. And I think once you come to terms with what you can't fix and you focus on what you can, you're going to be light years ahead. Also, another one too that I see all the time is people, they're just filling their under eye and what happens is it squishes the eye up, which makes your eyes look smaller. So now you've, like you just said,

you've fixed the under eye, but maybe you didn't go to the best filler person and it squishes the eye up, which makes the eye look smaller. Yeah. It's wild. It is. And I like personally love Botox under the eye,

but it does give you like a little shelf. Huh? Like, and I can see like when I smile, for me, that was a trade-off that I was willing to have because I do like it. But there were people that like, I don't like that. I don't like that.

So that's not for you. You also have big, beautiful eyes. So maybe you're like, you're the wrong person to say that. Like some people, maybe they have smaller eyes and they want bigger eyes then don't get under eye filler do you know what I mean don't get under yeah so for me the under eye filler was like not good because I already have big cheeks and so everything was like so overfilled and so I had to to like dissolve there does that hurt the dissolving? Oh my God. I know.

I feel like your eyes are going to pop out of there. I've never done it. I've heard it hurt so bad. It's kind of back to the shame thing. Like, okay, that should hurt. Right. So you remember

what it feels like. Listen, don't try to draw me into this conversation. I comment on a lot of things. You think I'm going to comment on women aging in their skin and how they look with shelf eyes?

I'm out. I'm fucking out. I'm out. I'm fucking out. You might have to come back so we can do a solo episode. There will be no clips of me. Before you go, I do want you to talk about, you've been really open about your mommy makeover. Is that what you call it? Yeah, yeah.

Is it a mommy makeover? I want to make sure I'm calling it right. I had a tummy tuck and then a breast lift with augmentation. And so talk to me about that because there's so many people listening that are interested in that, but they feel like they can't talk about it. Yeah, I think that's I think that that's such a shame that women feel like they can't do something that would make them feel more confident. The bottom line is I was 250 pounds. I stretched out my skin. I did everything. It was not going to snap back. So I got a tummy tuck and I did the breast lift first with augmentation

and I've had four breast surgeries like that. It was like, so that was just such a long road. And that was really hard, but the tummy tuck was life-changing just to have that gone. And there are some people that like, they think, oh, that's the easy road. I'm like, I don't care if that gets you started on your journey to health. If you do it first, for me, it was the final piece, but I'm kind of like that. Like I'm very stubborn in the way that I wouldn't do it until I was at goal weight. Yeah. But I don't care if that is what you want to do that helps you feel confident. So you'll get in the gym by all means. Like, why do you think that you because you do get trolls? Do you think it just they're just projecting insecurity onto you? What is that?

I guess, you know, I think that a lot of times people want to find a loophole. Right. So they'll say it to me like I was open about getting air sculpts and I'll post like a gym selfie after lifting weights for three years, five days a week. Yeah. And they'll be like, yeah, but you got air sculpt. Yeah. And it's like air sculpt was a sprinkle on a fucking piece of cake.

Well, what people, I mean, this, I will comment on anyone comments. I mean, this, again, this can be a wide spectrum of different things that people comment on. But what I've found and why I personally never get offended by it is most of the time it is somebody speaking into the world an insecurity that they have with a thought or a process or a practice of themselves. And whatever they're seeing

is triggering something that is making them insecure in their own life. So like, you know, if you're putting yourself, I'll just give you an example. Like if you're putting yourself out there in the gym and you're getting a good result, sometimes people will comment negative things because they know they're putting yourself, I'll just for example, like if you're putting yourself out there in the gym and you're getting a good result, sometimes people will comment negative things because they know they're not doing, they're not putting in the same effort themselves. So it's like,

you know, like they get this like verbal diarrhea where they have to like say something nasty because it's a way to justify the position. And let me be clear, AirSculpt is a tool. It was a tool in my toolkit, but there's not just, there's not just like nails. There's other things in the toolkit that get you there. But to finish finish the point whenever i see mean comments online yeah i just think to myself okay that person's not in a good place they're not happy with themselves right and as soon as i think about it like that i'm not i can't be upset with that person actually feels i feel empathy for that person that's great because like listen like you're so evolved no no no but i mean if you put yourself if you put yourself out

you're like bitch yeah i'm like fuck you let's go lift but if you put yourself out there long enough like at some point you're gonna like you're gonna realize there's a corner of the internet that's usually the loudest and most vocal no 100 and this one lady so i do have you should lauren you should go look at this viral video that I said, despite what people say, you don't expire after 40. And let me tell you the men and the women that it's the vitriol in the comment section. I think you had Matthew Hussion. He actually like, he saw that and then use that as a comment.

Like he was like, I'm appalled at men like the men were like you're expired you're no good if you can't give a man a they turned it into something it wasn't mine was to like empower women but they made it like I was on the market which I'm not like I wasn't saying like oh here I am still available for men so they turned it into something it was completely not you know what though katie it's it's great go viral for that you know what all these guys sitting in their attic or drinking their beer beating their meat on to to porn hub they're watching instagram like let it go viral if that's what they took it as i'm just like i'm to the point let me tell you something let me sit

back and eat my popcorn if you're a man taking your time to do that like you got other issues a hundred percent a hundred percent i can't imagine any of my people that i call friends or acquaintances or partners like sitting on like if i saw one of my friends i'd be like what the fuck's going on i mean we got to go have a conversation buddy like that person's also not in a good place no a hundred percent and that's i didn't and like the only thing that i which i think helped it go viral was the first one. The guy said you're expired. And I wrote back, not according to that picture, you just DM me. And then that, that comment went viral. And so, and then I left it alone. Like I usually only will respond if I have a good one-liner back and then I can, I'm like, I've done my job.

Like I can leave. But to my point is like, if you're anyone, man or woman, and you're spending your time negatively commenting online, you have way too much time. You need to go get a hobby. You need to go get a craft going. You need to go get something productive in your life. Because what- Get a skincare routine. If anyone in my personal life ever catches me commenting negative things online, you need to bring me aside and be like, hey, buddy, is everything okay? Because it's not okay. There's something wrong. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. People, I understand you get upset, you see something, but to take it a step further than and be like, I am so upset by what I see online, this person. You're inviting negative energy into

your life. And I'm not a woo-woo person, but whatever you put out there will come back to you in some kind of way. Oh, but I do believe that like you're in that, you're just going, it's going to breed on itself. It's going to grow. Yeah. Someone sent me an article called tall poppy syndrome, which is, have you seen this? I haven't, but go on. I know what this is. Yeah. So it's like from New Zealand and it's talking about like a field of poppies. And when one gets tall, they cut it down so they're all the same height. And they're like, that's what happening. And that was pivotal for me mentally to think like,

you just need me to be at your level. And so you see somebody gaining traction and it usually is directed towards women. I think men get it. But I think women more so than anything, a confident woman triggers people like nobody's business. And to just have a woman out there that's like, I'm fine with myself.

Like I was fine with myself then. I'm fine with myself now. I don't care what, like that triggers people. It blows my mind. Like, I'm like, why do you do this shit? There's like that old quote where like people are happy for you until you surpass them. You know, like that's just. Invite me back.

I want to talk about that. I know. I'm not going to kick you off and talk about all kinds of weird shit. We have a friend from Australia who first explained that theory to us about tall poppy syndrome and said that that, listen, I don't know if it's a big thing in Australia, but she was from Australia and she said it. She said that that happens with a lot of Australian people where like they, there's a tall poppy syndrome.

Yeah. If you're from Australia, DM us and tell us if there's, that's true. Maybe you got to tell me if I fucked that up, but she was basically saying like, there's a, they cut you down if you start to, to, to kind of go too high. Yeah. Yeah. And, and this, this article that I read was like so good. I think it was by a lady from New Zealand.

Maybe not Australia. But I do think like so good. I think it was by a lady from New Zealand. Maybe not Australia. But I do think it's like... Maybe not all Australian people, because I know, but she was saying that in her experience, because I don't need all of Australia to yell at me now. No, you don't.

We love Australia. We love Australia. If someone is out there and wants to book a service with you, tell us how it works. Yeah, so I do take select personal clients. I mostly work production. Okay personal clients I mostly work production so I mostly work like

TV and film and print things like that but don't you also do something where you have a service that you help people find the right makeup and skin yeah so you just DM me I mean it's in my link or whatever but I answer all my DMs oh my gosh that's a lot of work

I know that's a lot of work I I know. That's a lot of work. I know. And so it might not last forever, but right now I do. So I definitely, and here's the thing that I think, I think what makes this service special is first of all, going into any makeup counter, I don't care where you are, it's intimidating. Even if the salesperson does not look like she knows what she's doing, it's so intimidating because makeup in general is an incredibly vulnerable. I always tell people it's such an intimate act

to do makeup on someone else. Yeah, it is intimate. Because- That's why I love Mackenzie, my makeup artist here. I love Mackenzie. The energy has got to be right. Like it's got to, you got to have the right vibe. You can feel her vibe.

Yeah, she's great. I love makeup by Mackenzie. She's amazing. Amazing. And just good people. Yeah. So, so yeah, I mean, a woman sitting down, they're already no makeup on,

which makeup is a little bit of a kind of a armor for women. And so they're coming in without makeup. They feel a little vulnerable. You're usually like, they're usually expressing something that they don't like, that they want covered up. Occasionally you can draw out of them, like, what do you love? Like, what can we highlight? But I would say that the majority of women start with something that they hate. Please, I hate this. Can you cover this up? Can you do this? So it's intimate. It's vulnerable. And so when you're looking for makeup, you're going in, you're already expressing what you need, what you don't

like. And then you never see that person again. So you get home with this makeup and you really don't know what you're doing. And so with this service, I'm able to match you. But then we troubleshoot, like send me a picture back. Okay. You're putting on too much. It's really like counterintuitive. Like we're going to break some old habits here. And that's going to take a lot of self-confrontation being like, I feel uncomfortable with this, but that's okay. What you thought was serving you is no longer serving you. I mean, we all look back at our moms when we were kids and we would say like why is she still wearing that from the 70s if you see a specific set of implants that people got in the 90s yes they're the bolt-on like a lot of spreading between the boobs super high super high and you see that on someone

your brain subconsciously tells you how old they are what's the same thing you've seen a haircut from the 80s this is my favorite analogy. We have to do a podcast on this. If you see a specific acrylic manicured French tip, it's a specific one, you can also pinpoint

how old someone is. So if you see, you've got to be careful with tattoos. If you see a tattoo at a certain age, you start to, you can see

You know exactly when. It's a subconscious thing. You don't even know that you're thinking that. It's a subconscious thing. It's, you don't even know that you, that you're thinking that. And so I think makeup is the same. If you're doing your makeup, how you did it when you're 21 years old and you're 40 now, you have to evolve it. So it actually makes you look younger. That's why I think what you're doing is genius. Literally, you have so acutely put into words what I've been spending years trying to say that it does. It ages you.

It may not even be what you're, that's exactly it. Like you just said it so well. It is. You nail it. It's like going in and now I see gray paint in a house. I'm like, oh,

you renovated in 2000. Or what about the blue and the yellow that everyone did in that? Or 2015, whatever. There's like a blue and a yellow with a duck. You know what I'm talking about? You go in and you see someone's house decorated like that everyone did in 2015. There's like a blue and a yellow with a duck. You know what I'm talking about? You go in and you see someone's house decorated like that. You can tell we had the pink bathroom in the blue bathroom growing up. Yes, it's the same thing.

And so it's the same. The same goes with. So it's not only the the formula which needs to change big time, but it is also the method and the way that you do it. And I have a beautiful client. She was, she's in her late sixties, maybe early seventies. And I love her. She, she's just so like honest. And she would, even before I went over there, she's like warning me, like, I love my black liner all around my eyes. And I'm like, okay. And she like, she basically, she's trying to tell me like, bitch, do not take away my black liner. Did you take it away? Well, I'm trying to be nice at this point because I actually haven't met her in person.

And I said, I go, well, we'll just see. And I go, you can I will give you suggestions. You can take it or leave it. But she keeps on. And I said, OK, well, send me a picture. And she sent it to me. And I just wrote back. I don't think it's doing for you what you think it is.

Yeah. And when I went over there, I did her makeup. And of course, she put her old makeup and her new makeup side by side. And she said she sent it to like 40 people. And then she wrote me and she goes, everybody's been lying to me. I might have to text you a couple of questions. I have questions. I want you to tell me what's not working for me. I love it. I'll tell you right now. There's nothing I am obsessed with your look. You going brown, I think, was the best thing you did for yourself. It feels a lot fresher.

I like it a lot more. I love it. No one can. I'm just trying to support her, you know. I mean, that's really sweet. I haven't said anything for a while. I haven't said anything for a while. There's something that feels, people online message me about this.

Like, do you miss the blonde? No. I can't believe that I'm saying that because I love being blonde. I was blonde, blonde. I saw that. And you know what was the biggest indicator? And I don't know if you feel the same way. When I was blonde, I never felt pretty without makeup. Now I love the way I look without makeup.

I felt washed out. Yes. For me, I'm talking about me. I'm not saying everyone who's blonde looks washed out. But also there's something about blonde for me that's giving me Paris Hilton era. Yeah. Like when she was like having her Paris moment. Yes.

And so I feel like it made me look older. Like you're from that. Because my niece goes, Aunt Katie, blonde is chuggy. I know I heard that on TikTok. And I'm like, what? I go, girl, the hottest women are blonde. Are you kidding me? She's like, not anymore.

And I'm like, oh my God, she's right. She's also the one that told me that my eyebrows were anorexic and they needed to they needed help can i get her to come evaluate me you'll cry you could be you'll cry you'll cry but i mean she really like the love the like stab from a loved one yeah i give him that kind of love too yeah it's better than a kiss from an enemy it is i'm gonna age like shit i'm gonna have all these tattoos where can everyone find you i'm actually going to going to invite you back on for a solo episode without michael because i could have gotten way more deep listen i dodged so many potholes on this episode carson there's gonna be no clips of me going viral saying any bad things

i would completely manufacture one though because i played it i played it safe people still probably manufacture one though? Because I love those. I played it safe. People will still get some shit. No, Australia is going to have something to say to you. Yeah. Fuck you, Australia. Where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out. Yeah, at Makeup and Skin by Katie.

It's pretty much across the board. Tuck's kind of boring, but mostly on Instagram. So yeah. I mean, that's right here. DM me. We'll do another solo episode. I'll report back after the snail exosomes. Thank you for coming me. We'll do another solo episode. I can't wait.

I'll report back after the snail exosomes. I'll see you from Dallas.