The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast - What We Said Ft. Jaci Marie Smith & Chelsey Jade Curtis, A Roundtable Conversation & Podcast Swap

Episode Date: February 13, 2023

#543: On today's episode we sit down with the duo behind the wildly popular brand and podcast What We Said's; Jaci Marie Smith and Chelsey Jade Curtis. This is a roundtable conversation that spans a wide spectrum of topics including the latest trends, relationship advice, life advice, & toxic traits. Be sure to catch the episode Lauryn and Michael did with the What We Said girls on their podcast as this is part 1 of a 2 part swap.  To connect with What We Said click HERE To connect with Jaci Marie Smith click HERE To connect with Chelsey Jade Curtis click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Living Proof Living Proof understands that there’s no ‘one-size-fits-all’ solution for all hair types and textures. Visit www.livingproof.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY for a free travel sized shampoo with a purchase of $45 or more. This episode is brought to you by Sakara Sakara delivers science-backed, plant-rich nutrition programs and wellness essentials right to your door. Their ready-to-eat meals are nutritionally designed to deliver results—from weight management and eased bloat to boosted energy and clearer skin. Go to Sakara.com/skinny or enter code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Alo Moves Alo Moves has always been inspired by a single goal: to empower people to live healthier, more fulfilled lives. Alo Moves is the streaming on-demand platform with yoga, fitness, and meditation classes. Go to www.Alomoves.com and get 30 days free & 50% off of your annual membership with code SKINNY This episode is brought to you by Caraway Caraway Home’s non-toxic kitchen wares are all designed for the modern home and feature a chemical-free ceramic coating, so food can be prepared with peace of mind that no hard-to-pronounce compound will leach into your healthy ingredients. Go to Carawayhome.com/SKINNY  or use code SKINNY at checkout to get 10% off your next purchase. This episode is brought to you by Timeline Nutrition Maintaining muscle health is critically important to longevity and enduring good health & clinical studies have shown that 500mg of Urolithin A alone significantly increases muscle strength & endurance with no other change in lifestyle. Head to www.timelinenutrition.com/skinny and use code SKINNY at checkout to get 10% off your order of Mitopure now. Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her. As the kids like to say these days, you have to experience the flop before you experience the slay.

And what that means is you have to experience a low before you experience a high. And I feel like there was a period, years, I'm talking years of my life, where I was in my quote unquote flop era, which means I wasn't super happy. I wasn't super confident. I didn't feel like anything I was putting out into the world was like what I truly wanted and blah, blah, blah. Hopefully this year we're on our slay era together. Like the new life that I'm living, I'm happier than ever. And I feel like it's the balance that I've always wanted. And I feel like my life is so full, whereas before I was feeling very overwhelming. So today is fun.

We're welcoming JC Marie and Chelsea Jade of What We Said to the show. So both are members of the Dear Media family, which is really fun. And Chelsea and Jackie are amazing. They're quick. They're witty. They're funny. They're raw. They're real.

They're just everything you would want in podcast guests. It was very easy to podcast with them. They can come back anytime. And I also really fell in love with them on TikTok, so you have to check them out. Okay. Chelsea and JC, they set out to educate their audience on all things wellness, relationships, and how to become your best self. Today, we get into a candid conversation about their stories with self-love and health and what brought them together, how they've grown their show to be one of the most popular shows on Dear Media, the secret to TikTok, flop eras. Don't worry, we're going to get into it. All things fertility, struggling with infertility, the power of leveraging your social media toxic traits, what it means to be chronically online, and all things routine. On that note, let's welcome the hosts of What We Said to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her.

What is the trick to TikTok? Give us the secrets. You guys are on it. This is Jaycee's era or her area of expertise. I can't wait to feel 8 million years old on this show. You know what? It's simple. No, it's not simple. It is. Stacey's era or her area of expertise. I can't wait to feel eight million years old on this show. No, you know what? It's simple. No, it's not. It is. Okay. Okay. You're right. There's a lot of layers, but the number one thing is the most cliche thing you've ever heard. You have to be very consistent. And when I say consistent, I'm talking three to five videos a day. Like I'm not talking one a week. I'm not talking to a week. You need to post every day,

like three times. So it's essentially like an extended Instagram story with more thought into it because that's how much I'm posting on Instagram story, if not more. I would say treat TikTok like your Instagram story and just record. The other thing is like just record a lot of stuff and then figure out how to make it into a TikTok later. Like I don't always have the idea. Sometimes I'll just film things that I'm doing throughout the day and then I'll put it into a TikTok and like put words over it with a trending sound. You know what I mean? So you're doing three to five a day? For the most part, yeah. Sometimes like for the past two days for the new year, I've taken like two days off, but I rarely ever do that. How much time does

that take? Like when you think about like your day, how much physical time is that of you actually like creating? It totally depends on the type of content. Cause sometimes I'll just get a spur of the moment idea. I'm like, Oh, that's funny. I should make a tech talk on that. And it will literally take me 30 seconds, but I have a long list on my notes app of just hundreds of tech talk ideas. So if I ever don't have any ideas, I just go to the list and it can take me, you know, an hour to film some of them. It could take me 10 minutes.

It kind of just depends on the specific video. Can we record one with us for after? Or does that not make sense? No, that makes sense. Do you guys want to learn a dance? Yeah.

No, no, no. I'm kidding. We went through our dancing era in 2020 and then... And we privated all the videos because sometimes they pop up and they scare me. We can make him do a dance. michael bostick doing a dance i will go viral all right

listen you don't know my power you know what would go viral is those leggings that you wear in the morning that like cup your balls i can't with those like if you were to dance in those you would go viral it's cold it's compression pants and then you i don't just go. Listen, I see some of these guys. They go out just in the compression pants. Like that is an aggressive move, right? Yeah. You know, letting all the beans and the Frank just hang everywhere. You don't want to do that, right?

I'm trying to be nicer. I got some young ladies in this. I don't know how to call it. But no, I put the shorts over it. So I don't have that. But it's cold out. You can't just go out short. Oh, I know it's cold out.

I can tell. Okay. So let's start from the beginning with you guys. How did you guys meet? And then how did you guys decide to do a podcast together? We met in high school, 15 years old. We met through mutual friends. Yeah, at a pizza shop.

JC doesn't have many memories of high school. We'll transfer back to her. Yeah. Love dissociation. Yeah, I don't have many either. I have memories of like of JC's in my mind as well like not only my memories but JC's as well from high school remember when your boyfriend did this she's like no I don't remember I don't remember stuff either I get it I know I have I have too good of a memory where I like get stuck in the past but that's another thing we met at a pizza shop with like mutual

friends and then we decided to i don't remember why i think we had the same english teacher or something we decided to go to like a dance recital of the school that night together it was extra credit and you know when you like hang out with someone alone for the first time it's kind of awkward yeah like you're like oh okay just me and you like going to do something like we don't met through other friends and we weren't really friends but then we were like oh we want to go to this concert for extra credit or something like that so then we went we went together't really friends. But then we were like, oh, we want to go to this concert for extra credit or something like that. So then we went together.

Yeah. And it was really fun. We made like lots of jokes. And then Jace was like, can I sleep over? I was like, sure. And then we literally were best friends from that point on. So at what point do you guys decide to start a podcast? Because you guys look like you are still in high school.

Thank you. You're like, I was hoping the chin would make me look older because people always think I'm 12 years old. No, you want to. What do you mean? I want to look like I'm just born. I told my facialist to give me womb skin. Love that. No, it's true.

It's true. It's a blessing. Yeah. We are still young. I mean, yeah, 28 this year. But we started our podcast almost five years ago. And Chelsea had been kind of we had never really spoken about it together. But I mean, you guys know your OGs also

it's like podcasts just weren't super popular back then so it was kind of a random spur of the moment idea but I had texted Chelsea or we had did we reconnect right before that we hadn't seen each other in a while because we both got married we moved to different states and we were like still keeping in touch we're both just very busy and then for her birthday I was like would you want to come out to California and hang out with me? Like for like, I'll buy your plane ticket for your birthday. And she was like, sure. And she came and hung out. And when we hung out, we're like, why? We can't go more than literally one day without talking. Like, how did we ever not that we disconnected from each other, but how did we ever go like weeks without talking?

It's so weird. And so then that kind of reignited like our friendship. And then a month later or something, I was like, do you want to start a podcast with me? We didn't even live in the same state. And she was like, yes, I've been telling Nick, her husband, she's like that. I want to start a podcast like I didn't know, you know, if he'd want to do it with me. So it just kind of like aligned. And then we just started. We also had a blog in high school together and it was called That's What We Said. We thought that was like so like It's cute. Cheeky. Yeah.

Where we would write just the most shocking like things about like do's and don'ts. Like that was when studded vests were like very in like floral combat boots.

It was like what 2012 maybe? 2010. And we would write about different cliques at our school and like categorize them.

We're literally still trying to figure out how to delete it. Yeah, it's still up. So if you want to find it, you can. You guys should bring that back to TikTok. Do episodes of it. I want to see that. We should react to it soon. We are so old that in our high school, there was no blogs.

And they pass around a notebook that would somehow... I swear to God, you would get this notebook. It would circulate to you somehow. But everybody could sometimes get the notebook. And random people could just write in the book remember that like gossipy like sometimes no you had a composition notebook that you would write me notes and i would occasionally throw you alone and write you one back he's like that's my diary yeah no but i swear there was a notebook what was that thing it was like a notebook because there's no internet it was just like the notebook got passed around people wrote it someone got in trouble because the guys created a hot list oh not the hot list but i was on number

one on my hot list in sixth grade and i will take that to my grave so some people love the hot list especially if you're on number one on the list i was like this is so like materialistic you guys stop you're like enough about me what do you think about me okay so you guys start a podcast it's incredibly successful out of in my opinion out of all the shows that are on dear media i think that you guys do such a good job of cultivating community you're funny you're cute you're relatable people love you you also have done an incredible job with merch and that's not easy you know what i mean you guys have definitely been strategic job with merch. And that's not easy. You know what I mean? You guys have definitely been strategic with your merch.

You don't just slap a label on it. How did you guys know to do that when you started? Or was this something that happened over time? I think it was pretty immediate. Yes. I was thinking about this exact concept recently because I am very much a detail oriented person. And like, I am not even capable of just doing something halfway or being like, yeah, let's just put what we said on a sweatshirt. Like that would never even cross our minds.

And I was thinking about the concept of this. For me personally, my mom is the detail queen. So we have I own an Airbnb with her and she like runs it and everything. And she makes homemade chocolate chip cookies for every single guest and like they're frozen it's in arizona and there's frozen cookie dough balls when everyone gets there there's so many personalized details and i was thinking maybe that's where i've gotten it because she always says like people remember these little details like it's all in the details and so I think that we've collectively had that mindset for our whole podcast with branding with the Instagram feed with the merch it's like it's about the details it's yes it's big picture but

that's what makes the big picture is the small moments yeah and I think people sometimes make the mistake of thinking like what merch will our listeners like the most like what will they want to wear but we literally every time are like do what do we want to wear like we would never buy that from somebody else that just said like a stupid little you know phrase on it and nothing else it's like we want something that's going to be a cute color that's going to have like a cheeky phrase on it that actually means something to us that we would wear out like we don't even necessarily think like will everybody love this merch like merch. Like, do we like it? Do we think it's cute? Would we actually wear it?

The tone is so important. Yeah. The tone. I try to talk to my glove. I could talk about tones for hours. Like even your hair is like the perfect red tone. Like tones are really important, in my opinion, when it comes to branding. Yeah, your production, the Dear Media production team probably knows that about us.

We literally like, they're like, here's the sample. We're like, I'm so sorry. Can we get a little more pink? Yeah. No, because if the tone, you don't want the tones to bring, you don't want the tones to bring out like the yellows in the skin

or like you want certain colors to bring out certain things. So I totally get what you guys are saying about that. Yeah. So after you launched the podcast, did it catch on quick? So we had no idea how many listens.

We didn't know how to do anything on the back end. So we started it. We're like, we think it's good. I don't remember how many people we thought listened to it. But it was like a thousand or something. We thought it was like a thousand or two thousand. And then we, I think it was when we, after we signed to Dear Media, basically they showed us our back end analytics

I came in early I said listen nobody's listening to this thing I can maybe help you I'm just kidding no probably yeah no no no

we knew we saw the potential right away for sure we were going to ask you about that on our episode we'll get into that talk about us yeah

no when we found out the actual analytics we were like what the heck it was thousands of people basically and we were like

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A lot of work. Be honest. I was just telling Lauren before we started, like every year when we started the podcast, before the first of the year, before the 1st of January, we would meet up and have like a little brainstorming meeting for what we said,

where we would be like, okay, who do we want to have on this year? Like what goals do we want? What do we want to do with this? Where do we see this going and i feel like live tours were like live shows were always on our list we grew up we did dance class together so we always were like performing i think we both love attention being on stage and then we also riff really well off of each other so we also sang together we like won our high school talent

show and stuff so we always were like performing together and our dance class people would literally tell us all the time we were so annoying like we were the ones like talking when making jokes like while we were all trying to learn choreography or something like that and people would always tell us in the class like you guys should start a talk show or something together and we were like no that is like us no we're so annoying yeah but people love annoying reach yeah yeah but a lot of reach. Yeah. But this felt more. The tour thing, I think for our personalities, we kind of thrive. Like we, weirdly, every time we get off stage, I'm like, we were meant to do this.

Like it's very, it's this feeling of like, we're just good, I think, at performing or something. I don't know what it is. And we just work very well with each other. Like we can bounce off each other super well. So personally, it was kind of like a dream come true to be able to do that. We felt like we're living out these like pop star dreams, but we just get to talk and just like, yeah, tell inside jokes. Because when you sing, like I used to do music where I would like sing and perform and I would like play a song and then I would talk to the audience in between the songs and then

I would play another song. And I was saying that's a that was my favorite part of the show. The most scary part of performing live was singing and making sure you didn't mess up. The talking was so easy because you were just, like, the energy of the crowd. You could just kind of, I don't know, make something up and get people laughing. Bounce off them. That's what we get to do. You're saying if we go, I should get on there and start singing first?

Definitely. Start with the song. Dance in your compression type. Yeah. Okay, so the in between of touring though i'm not talking about being on stage i'm talking about the nitty-gritty behind the scenes that no one sees what is that like it definitely there were some moments that were like there's got to be some there were some moments yeah for sure where you're losing your shit yeah and we're just like drained or just like the travel i think if we were we're doing more shows and like more tours this year and we're trying

to be strategic so that we don't burn out. Like we realized when we did three cities even in a row or it was, well, three shows in a row, two cities. We were like, wow. At the end, we're like, whoa. Gotta recharge. Yeah. That was quite, yeah, quite a lot.

JC, you talk about on your TikTok eras. And there was this one era that you talked about specifically. I think it was like Sad Girl something. There was a name for it. Flop era? Flop era. And Sad Girl era. No, but you spoke about Flop era.

I feel like Sad Girl era goes on forever. It just goes on and on. It happens like once a month. I'm like, don't fucking talk to me in the morning because you're annoying era. Yeah. Is that an era? I love it. Everything's an era.

Yeah. So you talk about flop era on your TikTok. And in this video, you said that you decided that you were going to get your chin done. And you were sick of worried worrying about what everyone else thought can you talk us through why you were worried about what everyone thought before you got your chin done i want to know what that was what is a flop era okay first let's define the flop era it's when your dick is floppy that's it very similar that era has been going on too for a while it's used by agri-era not that era yet no but you know with these kids popping out left and right might

honestly pray for that we'll stay tuned we'll stay tuned for your areas i'll keep you guys updated yeah i'm sure you will the flop is like okay you know they say like you have to experience the rain before you can experience the sunshine right right? So as the kids like to say these days, you have to experience the flop before you experience the sleigh. And what that means is you have to experience a low before you experience a high. And I feel like there was a like a period years, I'm talking years of my life where I was in my quote unquote flop era, which means I wasn't super happy. I wasn't super confident. I didn't feel like anything I was putting out into the world was like what I truly wanted and blah, blah, blah. You felt down. I felt down. Yeah. And there was kind of this moment. It was the end of 2021, like fall time. And I was like, I think I'm done with the flopping. Like

I got to get, I got to get my stuff together. I just want to feel like confident and happy. And I had been thinking about getting my chin done, getting a chin implant and getting the buckle fat removal, all this stuff. And I just been so hesitant because I'm like, I just don't want, I just don't want to hear it just from people being annoying. And I actually knowing in the sense of like upset that you change your face or do, or do a procedure family or people saying you shouldn't get that done or done or people on the internet saying I'm getting plastic surgery or whatever. And I was like, this is kind of like a, it sounds silly, but an act I'm taking for myself, doing something for myself to prove I don't care. Like what anyone thinks, this is something that I truly want to do and I've wanted to for a while. So

I'm just going to do it. So I got my chin done in January. It's been like a year. Taylor, can you turn that fan off? It's driving me nuts over there. Anyways, you can leave that part in too. I don't know why you got that fan going in here. Yeah, but it's a little weird that you have a fan going on, Taylor. We talked about covering the studios. It's always a fan.

Maybe when we get to episode 570 you will get the studios prepped to the way I prefer them. Taylor, are you in your flop era? Taylor's flopping right now. Taylor has been in the flop era for a while. Don't actually flop down on the floor here. Oh, my gosh. Not to distract everyone.

When you got your chin done, I'm going to go ahead and guess because you owned it and you decided to take it into your own hands and do what you wanted that you didn't get a lot of hate. Yeah, I actually didn't. And Chelsea coined the term chinfluencer very early on. And that became my bio on TikTok. And I just started sharing my whole journey. It was funny because going into it, I wasn't sure if I was actually going to share anything. I thought about working with the doctor and asking him, do you work with influencers and maybe trying to get a deal? And I was just like, I don't know if I even want to share this. Like maybe once I get it done, I'll want to, who knows? And then, yeah, I'm incapable of being mysterious. So we knew it was going to happen. I was going to share it. But yeah, I just ended up sharing the journey

and it like on TikTok, the videos did great. Sure. Some people here and there would say stuff, but for the most part, not much backlash at all. People are just like interested in it. The person that said something wanted to get their chin done. Yeah. Some people they'll try and lie

and be like you looked better before like you look so ugly now and I'm like just don't lie. You know what I mean? Don't gaslight me. It's like don't gaslight me

into that. We both know the truth. The people that say the mean things on the internet are in their flop era. They flop it hard right? I don't know if that's the right name. I'm going to use it to everyone. I'm going to start telling all the people like the old bats in my life like listen man you're really in their flop era. They're flopping hard, right? I don't know if that's the right name.

I'm going to use it to everyone. I'm going to start telling all the people, like the old bats in my life, like, listen, man, you're really in a flop. Listen, you're flopping, I'm swaying. That's all you need to know. And I'm not going to tell them what it even means. Just be like, God, you're really flopping.

Chelsea, were you excited when you found out you're pregnant with all that you have going on? When you did have the baby, has it been a lot to balance? You guys have got a lot going on and I know yeah creating content podcasts it can be a lot with a kid yeah it was weird it was like me and JC hopefully this year we're on our slay era together like we have been trading it's like the flaw like this slay goes from one to the other

I feel like as soon as I had Case when he was like after the newborn bliss, because I feel like I was just in la la land for the first three months. But then once I had to start going back to work and like all the expectations came back of like, oh, I don't look like how I looked before. Oh, I have to do the exact same things I was doing. But now I have to add this other person into my life and literally feed him, bathe him, make sure I'm doing all these things for him and also protecting him. And now I share so much of my life. How much do I want to share of him? Now I'm feeling like so conflicted. I feel like I was way too in my head. And then you add in the hormones and all of that crap. I just feel

like it was I was just talking about how I had to have like a year of really like growing pains of trying to figure out how do I share about my life without sharing so much of him, even though he's such a big part of my life. How do I stay true to who I am? How do I keep my own identity? But also now he's so much of my identity. Like it's so I don't know, confusing. But I think after the hormones have worn off and I think after just a year of being used to the schedule and just the new life that I'm living, I feel like it's been I'm happier than ever. And I feel like it's the balance that I've always wanted. And I feel like my life is so full, whereas before I was feeling very overwhelming.

You know what's so weird? The one thing that helps me balance my hormones so much after having a baby, this is like really weird, is getting in a cold plunge. It does. It balances your hormones right away. You literally get in for two minutes and you get out and you can feel I know this is crazy you can feel your parasympathetic like just it evens out I can't even explain it I believe it I took a cold shower this morning and it felt literally amazing I was like I should have done this a year ago freezing yeah well I mean it's all the way to this good make it as cold as you can took my breath away it's it is no joke after you have a baby. Yeah. Like, it is no joke. And then meanwhile, they're over here like, what's wrong with you?

What the fuck do you mean what's wrong with me? It's like, what's not wrong with me? What is wrong with you to ask me that question? It's so layered, too. Like, I was trying to tell. I hate when guys do that. Throw it in the gutter. Yeah, those guys are terrible that do that.

It's just hard because they will never understand like the man will never understand what you go through and that's not a mark on them that's it's just impossible for them to understand i'm like it's a b minus but i'm not kidding lauren actually gets angry with me that i can't have a baby yeah well i'm just disgusted that you when you look when you look at them with their shirt off i'm just disgusted that you when you look when you look at them with their shirt someone's gonna pull that out of context and say michael wasik saying men can't have a baby which honestly we can't i actually think it's despicable like it's annoying but she actually gets like violently angry with me i'm like i didn't make the rules i have nothing to do with why this happens this way it's it's i was just seeing all these these TikToks come up on my For You page about how it's resentment too,

but it's like resentment comes from jealousy, not anger, where it's like, we're just jealous that you get to have so much of your normal life and you're not giving so much of your physical being to parenthood. They do nothing. You get the fun part of parenthood.

What do you mean I do nothing? During my pregnancy, and I don't know if you had the same experience, Chelsea, you do nothing. You sit with a piece of hay in your tooth and you say, you literally, the whole time I was just like annoyed. There's nothing really to do, to be honest. What am I supposed to, I mean, give you a pat on the back or maybe a slap on the ass and say good job

you know like get you what you need I just find yeah that's great I think that's a great point everything about it

is annoying get a postmate I can't cook for shit so you know yeah it's annoying but there's nothing I mean I think you're just

jealous of me Lauren that's what she said that's what we've learned yeah unfortunately you have opened up JC about your struggles with infertility. Why did you decide to open up about that? What has that journey been like?

You said something on TikTok too. You said you kind of were not going to be so fixated on it anymore. Yeah. Are you still at that place? It's so weird because I think I have two different worlds that i'm a part of or that you know it's like the world i grew up in and and an environment i'm around a lot and then kind of like my i don't know the world i'm in now my adulthood i'm surrounded by two separate groups of people and where i grew up explain explain where we both grew up you get married

when you're super young. You have kids immediately. Remind me where you guys grew up. Arizona. Where? Gilbert? Gilbert, yeah. Okay. It's just so normal. And so I think it's weird because I've always been toying with these two sides of also my personality where I was like, I'm not going to get married young.

Like I've always been so entrepreneurial and career oriented. I was like, I don't need no man. I whatever, got married when I was 21. So I kind of followed that same trajectory. But I was like, well, I don't want to have kids like right away. So after we had been married for like three years, I was like, OK, I'm ready to like start trying to have kids. And I was like four years ago at this point. I would like to have kids when I'm like 25. And it's funny because I think that probably sounds really young to like people. Even when I moved

to L.A., people like, oh, my gosh, you're already married. You're already trying for kids like they're shocked. And then from my hometown, people like, wait, why don't they have kids? Like it's like this huge thing like where you know what I'm saying? So I felt this weird pressure like we need to get going. And then it wasn't working. I'm like, oh, what the heck? And so basically, yeah, we tried for like a year or something.

And then we just went to a doctor to make sure everything was OK. And we got some irregular results. My husband had childhood leukemia. And so they think that could be part of the picture anyway. So that's kind of the story. We did some fertility treatments. They didn't work. And so I I was very fixated on it, though. And I felt like I was like, this is the one thing that's like not working. And I wasn't focusing on all the amazing things in my life that were going so well. And also realizing like, I'm young. I I'm in this era of my life that like, I'm going to look back on one day and be really upset with myself that I've just spent all my time, like comparing my timeline to other people and being, you know, mad about not getting pregnant when there's so many awesome things happening. And so that's kind of that moment that I was talking about also where I was like, I'm going to get

my chin done. I'm getting like everything that I can't do while I'm pregnant. Like I'm just going to live this year, like on my own terms, which was 2022. And it was such a great year. And it was just, it was crazy because literally all that changed was my mentality and my mindset of not fixating on it and like kind of just trying to have an abundance mindset, I guess, and focus on all the good things and all the things are going right. Is IVF even on the table? Is it something you ever want to explore? Yeah. So IVF will probably do this year, potentially. That's kind of my vision for the year at some point. But yeah, we did three IUIs. I don't know if you're familiar with IUIs.

We just had a fertility expert on and there's a lot of people I think that are listening that are curious about this. And I don't think there's a lot of people that speak out about it. Olivia Copel just came out and said she froze her eggs. I think that's incredible. Like when you say IUI, does that mean this is an ignorant question? Does that mean that you've already frozen embryos? What does that mean? No. So IUI is less invasive and it's basically where they just take. I could be wrong on the little details, but this is essentially the idea. Don't worry. Everyone will tell you if you're wrong. I'm sure I'll get some comments because it was over a year. It was a year and a half ago that we did these, but we did three separate rounds of it. But it's basically where they take your

partner's sperm and they just put it up and get it to the right. Yeah. They inseminate you and they, they get it to like the right area for a better chance of conception. But with IV you're actually i mean if you guys just had an expert on you know but you're actually the egg retrieval and then inseminating they're creating an embryo yeah okay so you you have it what the iui is not the part where you're removing the eggs or correct they're just trying to get the sperm into the correct area to yeah to have a better chance and they watch like your follicles and stuff like that as well to make sure it's like optimum ovulation. The reason they do that is it's just less invasive. It's not. Yeah, it's kind of, it's less expensive. It's less invasive. It's kind of like the first step

of treatment. I've had multiple friends who've gotten pregnant from it. So I was kind of hopeful, but what I learned after doing three of them, they were like, with your specific issue or like the thing that we would need to correct, IVF would be the thing. Like, it could work. It gives you a better chance doing IOI, but IVF would be a little bit more. It's not talked about enough how hard this process is on a woman, too. There's hormones, there's dealing with doctors, there's scheduling appointments, there's doing all these things that it's a lot. And pressure. It's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure. I mean, I think that you opening up about this

is really incredible for a lot of people because I think a lot of people are going through this. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, I get so many messages of people saying I'm going through the exact same thing. So that makes me feel good about sharing it. But yeah, it's an interesting, it's a unique road to walk for sure. We just had a woman on our podcast who went through seven cycles. Of IVF? Of IVF. Wow.

Seven. She's on the show Bling Empire. Christine. Oh, I love Bling Empire. Seven cycles. And it took seven cycles for her and she was doing the hormones seven times. One time her eggs were lost. By the clinic? By the clinic. Absolutely not. So this is like why we had the expert on because you cannot like call up and Google like,

what's the cheapest clinic in my area? Like you need to like go to someone that is reputable. Like it's very important that I mean, they're dealing with embryos. So I think that the more that this is talked about, people will have more knowledge and knowledge is power and it's good. Definitely. I agree with where you guys are at right now. You're crushing it on TikTok. You're crushing it on the podcast. Do you guys have any tips, tricks for someone who wants to get started on TikTok or in podcasting today?

So many. I know. Where to begin? Let me get my notepad for TikTok. Well, first of all, I think this is something that we're going to hopefully work on this year, which we haven't yet. So I can't speak from experience. But I think that clips on TikTok, like video clips of you podcasting, very important.

Very, very important. I've seen so many podcasts blow up because of just TikTok. The power of TikTok is insane. There's so much more visibility and virality potential, which can just convert basically lots of people to go listen to an episode and then maybe they'll get hooked. So I think that that is a huge thing that people should be taking advantage of. We don't do that. That's funny. Like Dear Media's strongest social channel is by far probably the TikTok. And we've had a lot of shows kind of blow up because of the videos that get posted on TikTok. And when we started it, we had no presence. And it was also maybe a little bit more challenging because it wasn't like an individual, you know, so there's no connection. It's just like a media company.

But yeah, the TikTok videos like we've seen on analytics side, shows that maybe didn't have as many listens blow up on TikTok and then like the show skyrockets. All right. One thing that we did when we moved to Austin was we really concentrated on trying to make our house as non-toxic as possible. And one of the things that we switched out was our cookware. I learned about cookware on the podcast with Max, I think. He came on,

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And even our branding on our Instagram and merch and all of the stuff, it's all encompassing. But I think it's always been important for us to create a visual aspect to like a previously only audio experience, basically. So we like that people can listen to our voices, but then they can go to our Instagram and be a part of our world almost. It's just like this fun, pink and blue. Makes it more tangible a little bit. Yeah. And it feels like you're part of just this little community in this world. And I feel like that's a good tip for anyone starting a podcast. Like, create your own little space on the Internet. It can literally be whatever you want it to be. You can do photo shoots for you can do cool video to, like what you want to listen to and what you want to talk about. The first year we did our podcast, we kind of started doing like, what do we think people want to listen to? Like, oh, they want to listen about this topic or they want to listen about this topic. But as soon as we started doing things we like to talk about, like even as silly

as like embarrassing stories, those episodes would do so much better. And all of a sudden, the podcast became more fun to do because we were actually talking about things we liked and people liked it more because people are actually more similar to you than you think. You're not trying to like relate to these strangers that, I don't know. You guys have done a good job of building community. What's your toxic traits? Oh, our toxic traits like about the podcast or just in general?

It could be anything. Get creative. And then we'll go over Michael's. Start thinking of your life. Oh, are toxic traits like about the podcast or just in general? It could be anything. Get creative. And then we'll go over Michael's. Start thinking of your life. Can we also get my notebook? Chelsea's toxic trait is the way she wakes me up in the morning. Oh, we're doing this for each other? I thought you were saying we're trying to be self-aware.

I don't love that one. Oh, we're doing our own. No. Chelsea's toxic trait is the way she wakes you up in the morning. How does she wake you up? I'm just very cheery in the morning. My toxic trait is believing that everyone else is toxic besides myself i love that perfect yeah sorry i didn't realize in the morning um she is so happy in the morning and i'm like i can't like i'm the opposite

i will but you know what i'm your worst nightmare because i will like start talking business 11 p.m like we're on tour and i'm like okay so i have this idea for this and she's like okay and like i can tell i get so tired like we're opposite you're the morning definitely i get grumpy after like yeah i don't talk to me between the hours is terrible and the morning and at the night so no i'm just like like he starts talking to me in the morning about i swear on my life today he says to me where do you think you want to go to new year's next year what the fuck are you talking about i literally i'm like let me like that's me actually let me get through today i want to check off the list i'm like what in the hell are you talking about he then he asked me he gave me a straight face on christmas when

i'm wrapping the gifts and the this and the that, he's like, where would you think you want to go for your birthday? It's sweet. It's endearing. I can't pick up. You're not going anywhere for your birthday. When's your birthday? In May.

You're staying at home. You're not going anywhere. Trips canceled. Taylor, cancel all the trips. Oh, my gosh. He's talking about my IRA. I can't do it, man. You know what, Lauren?

No, I just, I gotta wake up. Like I gotta have some coffee, like perhaps some lemon water, ice roll. Like I just need a minute. One day when I'm dead in the ground, you're going to be looking back saying, I wish somebody was still here to plan my trip again from now. That's true. So I'll tell my own toxic trait is I'm, unfortunately, I'm chronically online. Do you guys know that phrase? Is that just like you're scrolling? Well, no, it I'm unfortunately I'm chronically online. Do you guys know that phrase?

Is that just like you're scrolling? Well, no, it's because you're not chronically online and that's why you don't know it. And that's a good thing. Being chronically online is like your brain is literally a TikTok audio. Like you just think you think in TikTok comments in TikTok like world. I'm so immersed in like TikTok culture that I do know a lot about it. But also sometimes I'm like, I can just see like anything we're doing right now. I'm like, oh, that could be a TikTok. Like, oh, we could talk about that. It just like my brain. Like Taylor turning off the fan.

Is that a TikTok? We could definitely make TikTok out of it. A hundred percent. Like I just feel like anything. And that's that's my problem is just that I have a hard time being in the present moment because I've been so I've never had a normal job I've only ever since I was 16 years old I started I was a photographer that's been my like I was and then I was a influencer I've never had another job and so I've always just been in this mode of like I got it like what's next okay I don't know how to explain it so yeah that's my toxic trade is I'm always just like going, going, going, going. And I'm always thinking about like, oh, I need to do that for content. Ooh, that would be funny.

Like, I don't, it's an issue. I need to be present more often. Why Chelsea tells me her toxic trait and yours. Taylor, start thinking about yours and make sure your mic's on because I actually want to hear what yours is. Let me dig deep, deep, deep down. Try and think of a good one.

I think that something I'm actually working on this year that's actually, actually is a little bit toxic is, and not like in a fun, lighthearted way, is that I don't like being told something that I already know or that like, maybe I don't even know, but I think that I should know. You would hate being married to Michael. It's like my ego. It's like my ego. It's like, if they're like, Oh, you need an example. So the classic example is like when you're younger and your mom's like, you're about to do the dishes. I'm like, I'm going to do the dishes for my mom. And she's like, Oh, I would love if you did the dishes for me. And I'm like, well, I don't want to do the dishes anymore because I was already thinking of that. Like that's, that was my idea. But now that you said that I don't get the credit for it. Or if someone's like, you really should read self-help books at night for you out of bed.

And I'm like, I know, like I already knew that. So then you won't do it. Maybe like, then I'm just like, I just don't want them to think that I'm, that I don't know things. And I've realized it's deep rooted. It's deep rooted. And people thinking that I, I grew up with older brothers and I think I, and all of their friends. And I think I always wanted to like, act like I was older brothers and I think I and all of their friends and I think

I always wanted to like act like I was as old and as like knowledgeable and just as like cool as them so a little bit of a rebellious streak what it's a little like a rebellious streak it's like you were gonna do it but then if you're told to do it you don't you're no longer want to do it because someone told you exactly or if someone like just says like it's very hard for me when I used to work in other jobs where i had a boss and i would already be doing something like i would already be you know i worked at anthropology like going to fold a thing of clothes and they'd be like you need to go fold those clothes and i'm like well i already knew that like i trust me i know that

i was gonna go do that just like you don't need to tell me what to do yeah listen we can relate i do not like being told what to do at all what's jc's toxic trait that she tells me what to do oh my god i'm kidding oh my gosh love it little therapy i believe it taylor i would love to know what your toxic trait is leaving the fan on the lack of self-awareness back there is astounding that's the toxic trait the lack of self-aware self-awareness youounding. That's the toxic trait. The lack of self-awareness. You're back there being you, the person that we've known for 20 years, and you can't think of one toxic trait being you?

Well, if Taylor doesn't have a toxic trait. That's his toxic trait. Wow. But what's your toxic trait? She's like, I was going to put that one. I parlayed it into routines, bitch. My toxic trait is, I don't, is this a toxic trait?

She's like, um, oops. I don't like things that are overly sensory stimulated. You think that is your biggest toxic trait of all the traits? I hate to say that. It's not even toxic. It's like my life is so organized. My toxic trait is i'm either a complete slob mess like the most like broccolini like on the side of the bed with 600 waters and magnesium and like a crusty spoon or it's like disney on ice clean the river was pulling up today i said get in the shower we're not going

anywhere he told me to get the shower you guys get in the shower i had to take a horse shower i had to literally horse bath get a horse bath i had to literally get in the shower and like use a towel because he was like i'm not going anywhere so put together like the cover of this book or it is just like a tornado has come through and it's like the most chaotic fucking person you've ever seen i mean you have two kids though so i feel like no no no this was before kids and you know what the most toxic thing is is you will destroy the house and make everything a mess and i will have one dish with one crumb on it but you're the messiest person this is what it is and we can move on after this because this is no let's stay on this yeah i'm like let's take deeper this is my thing i like love making things so chaotic to wrap it up in a bow again.

Does that make sense? That's what I have to clean it. There's something about that that I just love. Things will be going extremely well in our relationship. No issues. Kids are okay. No, that's so boring. Business is great.

Add some color. I can't. I don't want everything going on. I looked at her last night and I was like, she was all mad about something. I don't know what it was. And I go, you don't even know what you're mad about. You're just mad because you felt like a certain amount of time had passed. Yes, I do know what it was.

No, you don't. Yeah, I do. And if you do, you don't articulate it. Sometimes when he says things I don't like, I write it down so I can then quote it later. This is a real hot tip. No, but I look at the calendar and I'm like, when's the last time there was a good fight and there hasn't been one in a while? So I'm like, oh, she just invented a reason. Yeah, she just invented something. Do you color code fights into your calendar? I don't color code fights into my calendar

i just write like a long ongoing notes app so i can be like remember when you said yeah and i'll pull the phone out and be like and sometimes i just want to get mad at something because i'm bored told you and so i'll go to the notes app and just like do wow this has been very therapeutic thesis brilliant that's my toxic we love that but i do like sensory overload is Told you. And so I'll go to the notes app and just like do. Wow. This has been very therapeutic. Thesis. Brilliant. That's my toxic trait. We love that. But I do like sensory overload is something. I don't think it's toxic, but.

Listen, we're the wrong people to talk about it. We are women apologists. Like anything women do, we're like. Like, yes. That's valid. What kind of line of work do you think I made here? Right? What's your toxic trait before we move on?

I'm not the best listener. wow yeah that's self-aware and i host a podcast for a living so it's not like i haven't listened to a word you guys said who are you again routines you know i have to ask you about routines what are your micro little tiny routines that you both do you're obviously incredible successful. You have a baby. You must have like things that bookend your day. Yeah. My morning routine is TBD at the moment. Okay. I'm trying to get it on lock.

The night routine, immaculate. Tell us. We have to know every single detail. Okay. Well, I've copied many details from probably your routine. So things might sound familiar. But basically, okay, we start with, where do I start? I try and I've been going to bed very early lately, like getting into bed 730.

Love it. Oh, it's great because I want to read. The reality is I'm on TikTok for a little bit. That's the truth. I'm on TikTok for 30 minutes and then I start reading on my Kindle. So before that, though, I do my full skincare routine and then I only have low lighting. If someone turns an overhead light on in my home. Atrocious. Atrocious. Like jail time. Get out. Get out now. I don't even want a light on in general. It's natural light, red light or move. Yeah. Past 5 p.m. I'm done. Do not turn. Oh, it's so jarring.

My husband like turn on the kitchen lights. Oh my gosh, my eyes. Michael never had dimmers until he met me. Really? But that's a different story. Go on. Yeah, I'm a big like very into lamps lately and just like low lighting. So I have a red light lamp next to my bed, red light only at night when I get into bed. And I do I read on my Kindle. I have a glass of water next to my bed. I have some like sleep gummies that I sometimes take. I've been feeling lately like they're maybe giving me bad dreams. Is that like something? What's in them? Melatonin. Oh, you know, melatonin is maybe not the best. Really? I've heard mixed reviews though. Maybe glycine and GABA and some maybe theanine. I'll you i'll send you the thing okay and then what else

i feel like i'm missing like a major step to my routine i oh i have like this heat pack thing homemade by my grandma and i put it by my feet every night because it just like warms up the feet and that's kind of it i feel like reading is main, the main thing that really is meditative for me, because like I said, I'm a very go, go, go type of person. And I rarely just, you know,

rest my thoughts. And, and so I feel like reading is very meditative. What are you reading right now? A romance novel. And I forgot the name of it. It's something about December. Don't you find though,

when you read romance novels that you're like reading it and you're like, this is so romantic. And then I look over at michael and i'm like i'm in my compression i'm in my compression pants i'm like try harder pull out the notes up again you know yeah yeah they're just kind of shining they're taking care of my son's caroline huber oh it's something like it's like a night in december i couldn't tell it on story i will i could not tell you the author. You know something else about me that's very bad is I retain no information. So I read because I love it, mostly with like novels, fiction novels.

I read those a lot before bed because I just feel like I can get lost in them and I really like it. And then someone will ask me like a week later what the book was about. And I'm like, I have no idea. I have to go back and read. I don't think that's bad. I think that's meditative. In the moment, I know what's happening. I have no idea. I have to go back and read. I don't think that's bad. I think that's meditative. In the moment, I know what's happening.

I love the story. And then literally a week goes by and I don't remember anything about it. I mean, we have a lot of content being thrown at us. What can we say? It's true. Anyway, but yeah, that's the main. The vibes at night are just like relaxing. Don't bug me.

Like, I can't. Like, no loud doors slamming. Yes. It's annoying. But only on my terms. So, like, if I want to talk about work, like, let's chat about work. You know what I mean? Same with the phone.

Doesn't this sound familiar? Same with the phone thing. Like, I'll be on my phone for an hour and then Leif will get in bed next to me and he'll be scrolling and I'm like, it's like really bad habit. You should see me. Michael's staring at the phone one centimeter from his face. He goes, my eyes hurt. Like, I can not get out

the way he gets into bed too is like this i'm like could you just like fluff a pillow and i never want you to forget i'm there honey how could i forget that you're there it's honestly disgusting wait what's your zodiac sign lord gemini can you tell okay love that you're an aries too i'm the same way like my i'm so loud and it's been like a problem ever since i was little well let me tell you why i'm loud if i'm being honest because she has the fucking light so low i can't see anything i crash into everything because i can't see in the dark she's like what are you doing why are you so loud loud? I can't see anything. I don't know where I am, right? That's why I'm crashing

into everything. I know. If you turn the light up just a little bit, I could see what's happening. What, does it carry a fucking kerosene lantern into the room? I would use a salt rock nightlife. Wait, that's my obsession too. I have those all over my house. Yeah.

It's like a nice like the the ambiance is just right what is your routines rituals you should have made me go first mine's way less

nice mine's just less it's cause you're an Aries someone else I was gonna do a tweet the other day and it says let me tell you the morning ideal the best

morning routine the ideal morning routine and it literally just says wake up yeah that is the routine for me. That's not the routine. That is my routine.

I open my eyes and I just go. Yeah. Okay. Oh, I will say Aries and Taurus are supposed to be the luckiest zodiac signs this year. I feel like every zodiac sign says that about themselves. This year. I know. And I'm just choosing to believe it this year, 2023.

This is the year, Lauren. Okay. Yeah. So what is your routine? You have a baby baby so it's a little different it's really yeah I was gonna say it really isn't I would always complain to JC about like especially when he was like six months old at the beginning he would sleep in our room and I put him down at like 7 p.m and I'm like well now I can't go into my bathroom and now I can't

go into my room so I'd have to like tiptoe in put my pajamas on and then like hope my toothbrush is in the other bathroom and then just go to bed. So lately I've trying to I've been trying to have my own personal life still and my own routines while still having his. So I'll put him to bed and or my husband will. And then I will scroll probably for a little bit. But it's like it's different at night. I feel like once you have a kid and you're just like able to just numb your mind for like an hour and just be like, oh my gosh, this is so nice to just literally think about the dumbest stuff, like on my TikTok for you page. But anyways, and then I will, I try to journal like, and the thing that gets me to journal is I have one that's like one line a day and it's about like my son.

So it's like I just have to write one line and it's just like what something that he did that day or something we did or something like that. And I don't do it every day, but I try and do it at least like once a week, which I've been really grateful I did the first year. You can only write one sentence about your son a week. That's all I think about. She has a scrapbook for her son. Maybe you could write one sentence about our kid like maybe once every three years it's hard to remember like when you think back to that's why i feel like it's good to do it every like as if you can remember once a day even just one little line like i'll be like we went to the grocery store and he smiled at the

person checking me out yeah or. Or something like that. But anyways, after I kind of have my own little alone time, I usually just literally put some moisturizer on. No, here's something about Chelsea. She has perfect skin. We were on tour and she's like, do you have like a serum I could use? Like my skin's dry.

And I go in and I'm holding it and I look at her and she's holding the same one and I'm like, I'm like, we have the same serum. Like, why don't you just use that? She's like, oh, I thought this was moisturizer. She's like, I've been using this as moisturizer for a year.

That's amazing. I'm like, and your skin looks like that? I'm like, okay, just keep doing what you're doing. You guys both have amazing skin. Oh, thank you. It's been a work in progress.

No, you both, it's like a dewy, like, I feel like dolphin skin is really in right now. Ooh. Like wet, semen skin. Love that.

Love it. You know TikTok teaches you. I'm your guy. Yeah. Now I'm going to be sort of semen skin on TikTok. Wake up. We are going on your podcast right now. Where can everyone find both of you?

Where can they purchase your merch? Where can they listen to your podcast, your TikTok, everything? Everything for our podcast is what we said it's what we said podcast on Instagram you can link it up on Apple Spotify wherever you get

your podcasts and you can shop our merch at shop.dearmedia.com I think slash what we said slash what we said there's a shirt

that you made that I stole off the rack and it's like the number one the phone number one oh 1-800-HANUS. You stole some of their merch? I asked Ariel

if I could have it and I said I would pay and she said, no, you just have it. Another toxic trait we found. Literally robbing from the company,

from the talent, from everything. My personal Instagram and TikTok and YouTube, everything is just JCMarieSmith, my name. And mine's Chelsea Jade Curtis and Chelsea is EY. Love it. You guys are a force. I'm excited to see what's in the

future for you. You guys are very, very good at building community and a podcast. And thank you for coming on. Go listen to us on their podcast. Yes, we're going to get all the juice, you guys. Don't worry. Thank you guys for coming on the show. Thank you so much. You should know before you go that we did a swap with JC and Chelsea. So we're on what we said. Michael and I got grilled. We got interviewed. So go check that out on their podcast.

And I hope you guys have the best Valentine's Day ever. Happy Love Day.