The Sloppy Boys - 13. Manhattan

Episode Date: January 15, 2021

The guys have a classic New York cocktail.MANHATTAN RECIPE1.7oz/50 ml Rye Whiskey.67oz/20 ml Sweet Red Vermouth1 dash Angostura BittersPour all ingredients into mixing glass with ice cubes. Stir well. Strain into chilled cocktail glass. Garnish with cocktail cherry.Recipe via the International Bartenders Association (https://www.iba-world.com/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey folks, welcome to the Sloppy Boys where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love. I'm Jeff Dutton along with Mike Hanford. Hey-o! And Tim Kalpakis. What is going on? And we're your hosts, the Sloppy Boys. I like that what is gets longer every time we do it. I know.

I got a lot of people reaching out saying, too short. Who's like, what's the wire guy who's like, she who like really drags it out? Yeah. His name is, he's the, fuck, I forget his name.

Is it Bubbles? No, Bubbles is kind of the addict guy. Oh, fuck, it's right at the tip of my tongue! But I don't know what it is! Folks, he's shitting his pants over there. Ah, yes! Yes! It is turd pants.

Hold on. Jeff, don't edit any of this dead air out, because I'm going to want to say his name is Bunk! Bunk. Bunk. Welcome back, guys. Hey! I know that we played like the last episode was our New Year's episode,

but that was recorded before the break. We took a little bit of a winter break, a hibernation, so to speak. We took a secular winter solstice week. Sleep. So you feeling rejuvenated? I'm really asking. I feel out of touch. I don't know.

What are we making tonight, today? You don't know? Well, no. You're presenting the damn thing. I know, I know, but I'm already, I'm already off.

I thought I was going to lead us nice into a segue. We haven't even done booze news. We, I don't know how this works anymore. Well, before we get to booze news, I want to show you guys something. This is what I got myself for Christmas. What do you got?

Oh my God. It's a fleshlight. Extra small, Jefferson. No, tell him what it really is. I'm holding it up. He's holding up a little placemat with some piano chords on it. It's a piano chord chart, but is it a mouse pad? It's a mouse pad.

That's how you're going to learn piano? Yeah, see, look. that's how you're gonna learn piano yeah see look it says it's got all of the all the names of the chords and with major minor seventh augmented and diminished so i can learn my theory that's smart that's smart i'm gathering and i think i know someone who's gonna use that with his new moog moog keyboard hello wait did you one? Did you buy me a Moog? No, I thought, don't you have one? What do you use? No, what I'm gathering here is that your New Year's resolution is to take all the ivories.

To learn theory. Very nice. I remember at one point, Jeff, you had a New Year's resolution that was to learn... Abbey Road. Abbey Road, the album. And you didn't do it. I did not. On the guitar?

Like, that was what I gave myself. I was like, on the guitar or the piano, where applicable? And I think I made it like one and a half songs in, and I was like, what are these chords? Yeah, Beatles especially have some wacky chords in there. Yeah. I mean, some of them are sevenths. Who's ever even heard of such a thing? Yeah. But you're doing weird pinky shit that you would never do on a Weezer or Nirvana song. I hold my pinky out when I'm sipping a cocktail, but Jeff, so what's the goal?

Are you becoming a pianist? Yeah. I'm becoming a pianist. What skill level are you entering with here? Because I got two semesters of Ithaca College piano under my belt. What do you have? Well, when I was a kid, I learned piano, but they did it what they call Suzuki method, which means by ear. Ah, yes. So I know the shapes of certain hand things.

I know how to do a C, and I can pick out a bunch of cool, interesting stuff. But the fact is, I don't know what the names of any of this hand things. I know how to do a C and I can like pick out a bunch of cool, interesting stuff. But fact is, I don't know what the names of any of this shit is. So now when I'm like playing around like, oh, that sounds cool

and that sounds kind of minor-y, I can look over and say like, oh, that's actually a, that's actually a diminished D chord. Does Suzuki method then, is it like, okay, learn how it plays or whatever, but then at some point

see what the chords are. Look these it's a it was a problem for me because when i got to uh playing saxophone in like fifth or sixth grade they caught me writing the the names of the notes above each note on the scale ah so like you i was supposed to be learning sheet how to read sheet music and i would just write like a g were, A. Were you in huge trouble? They beat the shit out of me. I don't think I like the sound of the what was the name of this method? Suzuki.

I think I had a SUV that followed that same method. I'm crying out loud. I did not miss this type of talk over the break. No, I'm actually really sorry about that. That's okay.

Just try to be a little more serious sometimes. Well, I love it, Jay. Do you have, is there a, are you going to try to learn the Rachmaninoff concerto number three? What are we talking here? Tim, why are you being so goal oriented? I just tried to show you a mouse pad. You got the mouse pad. So wait, is it truly just that you have a mouse pad?

The thing that you want to share with us is your new mouse pad, and you'll look at it sometimes? Yes. He'll use it when he's putting together little samples on his small keyboard that I thought was a Moog. Well, I'm still proud of you, and I'm proud of your mouse pad. Most people these days are going with getting a mouse that doesn't use a pad anymore and i'm glad you're just not gonna get spaghettios all over your damn dining room

table yeah i i wasn't gonna talk about mine because it's so very stupid but if you're talking about starting a year with a new hobby yes i consider i was like hey maybe i'll sign up for a musician and do piano myself, but I didn't. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm signing up for sailing school. I'm going to go to Marina Del Rey and learn how to drive a boat. Wow. You're going to be like Rodney Dangerfield down there.

They're going to smell you coming a mile away. Well, a lot of these yacht clubs are looking for kind of buffoonoonish doofus to join up a loud dunderhead as they call it in the uh sailing world now you like us like a a sunfish sailing thing the goal is i don't really care about the sales as much as just like being able to go anywhere and rent a yacht while i'm on vacation but you have to learn all that stuff to get there so i have to learn i have to start with a little dinky sailboat. And then after like level three, then it's like UCB classes. And then eventually I'll be a guy that if I'm in Key West or Cape Cod or whatever on vacation,

then something I could go and do is say, hey, I rented a boat. Here's a little pop quiz, Tim. I'm joking over here. I'm so excited for you. This is your pop quiz? Jesus Christ. What's the left side of a boat called? Port. Port. Right side.

Starboard. Oh, the other port. Port number two, baby. You gotta let the learn, my boy. Tim, when we get on stage, don't be talking to the tech guy. Oh, I need a little more port side. I need a little more starboard side. That's for the ocean, baby.

Leave it on the ocean. We'll throw you overboard. I'll be confused. Are we talking stage port or are we talking house port? Oh, no. That's what I ordered at a restaurant, the house port. Now, Michael, your friends are going to be playing piano and sailing ships. What are you going to be doing?

I am one of these guys who every year I'm like, I'm going to be playing piano and sailing ships. What are you going to be doing? I am one of these guys who every year I'm like, I'm going to, because I always come out of the holidays from eating a bunch of shit and like, meaning like I tell people I'm going to do something big and I don't do it and I eat shit. No, I'm going to, like I come out being like fat and puffy and drunk all the time. So I'm always like, I'm cutting back like I come out being like fat and puffy and drunk all the time so I'm always like I'm cutting back on that stuff

so that's always my resolution I do need to figure out like a fun a fun like what am I going to learn and do maybe I'll read more that's pretty good I can help you sound out any words you don't know you know I

you know what I did do over the break? It was late at night. Everyone else had gone to bed, and I'm still up. Maybe I'm finishing a drink or two. And what do I see on TV but Clockwork Orange. It was on Netflix. It picked my fancy, maybe is not the right phrase. And I started watching it. And as I had a few more beers, I'm like, maybe is not the right phrase, and I started watching it.

And as I had a few more beers, I'm like, I've never read this book. A few more beers later, I've ordered the book on my phone and it should be here soon. I remember one of your famous late night orders was a little ship in a bottle. Yep. I got a little too drunk while watching a Woody Allen movie.

And in this, I forget, I think it was called Radio Days maybe. And he had a ship in a bottle and I pulled out my computer and ordered a ship in a bottle kit. Did it show up like really small or something? No, that's a funnier story. That's Randy's's thing but this was it showed up and i opened i was like okay i can do this i opened it up and i was like step one you know make sure you've got the right paints and lacquers from your hobby shop and i was like

okay i'll get to this baby some other time it's so funny to drunkenly order something that has that is like so delicate and requires precision. I've done that before. I ordered a pair of running sneakers, Sauconys, that came, and I did not remember ordering them until they came. Oh, no. Like it showed up in the mail. I was like, whoa, okay. Like, all right, Santa.

The thing you were talking about, something showing up and it was tiny, was our friend Randyandy uh ordered a book it was like it was like irish folklore or like yeah he thought it was a regular size book and it shows up and it was like two inches by three inches it was like a little joke something somebody puts in their office or something and i remember just, we all lived together at the time and he was one of our roommates. And I remember just sitting on the couch watching TV and looking over at Randy and he was like quietly crying, laughing with tears coming down his face. And we're like, what's wrong? And he was like, I thought I ordered a real book.

That's a thing that happened that like people get busted on Amazon for selling like really, really small shit. You've seen that stuff right on Twitter where like they show the product image and then what showed up in the mail and it's like teeny tiny that happens all the time. Well, Mike,

you mentioned Woody Allen a moment ago. Would you like to, you take that information and kind of flip it yeah we got some booze news no i was trying i forgot i know that was a great one i should have gone with it and just done that transition woody allen he directed manhattan that's the drink we're doing today but not yet but we got booze news. So I guess do the booze news sound effect. This isn't, this is

in the category of fun booze news. Because the other ones are such a slog. Usually it's sort of dry. It's a downer. No, but it's like, this is just kind of a fun thing you can do at home. And it's helpful. It's helpful

booze news. My girlfriend told me about this site. It's called makemeacocktail.com and you go into the My Bar section and what you do, say you've got a bunch of weird liqueurs at home or a

thing of rye whiskey that you don't know what to do with. You type, you click like what you have in your. Yes. In your bar. What you got on hand. And it tells you the drinks you can make. That's awesome. I found an app for that, but it sucked.

And it had like a bunch of like in-app purchases. Yeah. But I've been looking for exactly this. What's it called? It's called makemeacocktail. purchases. Yeah. I've been looking for exactly this. What's it called? It's called makemeacocktail.com. Wow. And go to the My Bar section.

I think that's where you find this thing. This is cool because, like, for example, tonight, I have a lot of rye whiskey and sweet red vermouth and bitters, and I don't know what I'm going to do with them. Well, that brings us to our drink of the day. Now, that was a good transition.

Here we go. Woody Allen would be proud. So, we're drinking tonight. We're making and drinking the Manhattan. You had? Have you had? I have not had. You had? You had? You have had? I have not had. You had?

You had? You have had? What'd you say, Jay? No. I have not had. I have not had. No had. Tim, you had?

I had. I'm fairly unfamiliar with it. It's been a blind spot for me. I've got like a picture in my head of what it is and who drinks it. But I hadn't had one until fairly recently. I was at like a really old hotel bar and I saw it on the menu. I thought that was the right type of place to have it. But yeah.

Was it the Overlook Hotel Bar? Yeah, exactly. Is that what he orders there? Old jam? It is that type of a vibe. So no, I don't know much. And I'm probably wrong with what I do know. Well, I do want to get into who you think drinks this type of stuff later, because I've got a very specific thing in mind.

I know yours. You mentioned one time that your grandparents drank these. Yes, well, Tim has blown the lid off my big thing I was going to say. We were going to build that up. Oh, the clock is counting down. And then finally, Mike will make the announcement. My granny. Who does it remind him of?

Who does he think drinks this? Yeah, my grandparents used to come over when we do like family dinners and stuff. But they would bring like what they call the Manhattan mix, which I think they'd always bring like a big Tupperware cylinder of and stuff. But they would bring what they called the Manhattan mix, which I think they'd always bring a big Tupperware cylinder of this stuff. The way grandparents, or like a jar of it. It was like an old jelly jar that they would put Manhattans in. And then come to the house, and my mom would always have the vermouth. For some reason, my grandparents didn't have the vermouth.

So they'd mix it and put a cherry in it and drink it. And I thought it was pretty bad, a pretty awful drink. So I'm very curious if they were, what we're drinking tonight is going to taste like what they made or not. I thought you were going to say like, you know who drinks this is Grim Graham and Pepper. Yeah. Who?

Your grandparents. Like there's always like some weird some weird reveal like what people call their grandparents yes yes yes like if there's like a family argument it's like well you know what well mimo didn't say that in her will mimo left me 200 million bugs what did you call your grandparents? We had, these were grandma and grandpa, and then Gaga and Papa were the other. I knew there was a weird one in there somewhere. And did Gaga do a whole sort of Lady Gaga thing? She was before Lady Gaga's time, I think.

But she was still kind of like Gaga. She's like, hello, my little monsters. I was like, oh, Gaga. If you called your grandma Gaga and it's like, hello, my little monsters. I was like, oh, Gaga. If you called your grandma Gaga and it was like, yeah, it was a nickname we gave her around like 2009. She got really into that poker face song. Well, Tim, you don't think you're getting out of this one. What'd you call your grandparents?

All weird ones. Bobby. Bobby and grandpa on one side. And then the other side, my grandfather died before I was born. But we called that grandma Nanny. Hey, wait, Mamie? Nanny. Nanny.

Nanny. Like the mother babies. Yeah, and she wore those kind of green stripy socks. And I never got a look at her face. You have a grandfather with an interesting name, Tim. Well, this is the one that I didn't meet because he passed away, but it was Athanasius Kalpakas. That's a good Greek name.

Wasn't it Athanasius Acropolis? His nickname was Tom. Wait, who added the Acropolis? Athanasius Acropolis? His nickname was Tom. Wait, who added the Acropolis? Athanasius Acropolis. Oh, that was on a birthday boy sketch I added it. Athanasius Acropolis was a character I played. Ah. Hmm.

Interesting. I guess it's kind of cool to hear the little snippets behind my creative work. Oh, boy. Now, Jeff, you're not getting off that easy. What were your grandparents' little names? I don't really have any good ones. That's why I was pumping you guys so hard.

I don't have any good ones. Just Googie Foot and Tombo. Yeah, and Weenie and Ding Dong. Weenie and Ding Dong, Flipper and Zappy. Oh, Zappy. Zappy, Crappy, Ding Dong, and Dooger. On my mom's side, I had and granddad granddad on my father's side my father's father had three wives over the course of my life so to be honest until my i didn't know

who my blood grandmother was until like college wow i i had to like ask and be like so dad is it is it nana marcia grahamian or joyce and uh it was joyce no joyce was the least joyce is the least formal so you know she's third yeah it's nana marcia guys it was nana marcia the whole time here's the thing j, you're a director. You could make one of these documentaries that's really confessional where it's like starts on your face and you're like, I've never really known who my grandma is. And this is my journey to find it out. And my two boys are going to help me on a podcast. What do you think?

That's not a bad idea. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I don't want to do that. Yeah, it would be bad. No, no, I want to help you on the podcast, but I don't want to find out who your grandma is. Well, it turns out it's a 30-second question and answer. Yeah.

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. We didn't come here to talk about Grandma Marsha. We came here to talk about the Manhattan drink. Yes, the Manhattan. Oh, the Manhattan. So a lot of people think that this drink was made in Manhattan. Those people are correct. That's what it is. what it is they're right they were always right but this is again i feel like i always get these drinks maybe i just don't research it deep enough but i get these drinks that are like what they've got a really big story for what it is like this one was church winston churchill's mom had a what the hell was her name i forget but she had a a big party going on the manhattan club and somebody this guy made a bunch of drinks and he called them Manhattans because it was at the Manhattan Club. And that was proven wrong because during the time when they said this party was in the 1880s, she was in she was pregnant in England and not partying in New York. That's boring. This is a lot like, uh, like much like the Brandy Alexander where it's,

it was like, Hey, here's the story. It was invented for this one very specific party, but also that story is false. Yeah. It's no fun. Mike,

when I said boring just then you did a great job. No, it's the story itself. No, of course. I know exactly what you mean. And then the other, this other thing just said some guy, uh,

who was below Houston street and Broadway below Houston Street on Broadway made it in the 1880s. I don't know who these people are. That's the one I believe. Yeah, it was just made. Anyway, but I did find this. I was like an early cocktail recipe for something like how it evolved. It calls a shot a pony. Do you you know that have you ever heard of that never it says one pony of french vermouth one pony whiskey i've heard it in reference to a

small horse a pony is a pony shot is one ounce oh because which is a half like a regular shot is a is an ounce and a half interesting and i And I've never heard of pony shot. So I guess I learned a little something here today. Well, think of this. A pony keg is a smaller keg. So a pony shot is a smaller shot. That's exactly right. A pony animal is a smaller animal.

You want to know? Oh, I guess that is why that's called that. Do you want to know what's in this? Motherfucker. want to know? Oh, I guess that is why that's called that. Do you want to know what's in this motherfucker? Yeah. Yeah, man. I was trying to find it on my phone here. It is 50 milliliters rye whiskey. So that's like

a little less than two shots. What? What? Is that true? Well, an ounce and a half, a shot would be 45 milliliters. So you're talking a little more than one. A little more than one. And we'll have the conversions here in the show notes, folks. Sure, sure.

And then you're wanting, that's rye whiskey. Then you want 20 milliliters of sweet red vermouth. So that's a little less than a half. What is that? A little more than a half. A little more than a half? Half ounce, yeah. Yes, a little less than a half. What is that? A little more than a half. A little more than a half? Half ounce, yeah. Yes, a little more than a half ounce.

And then one dash of Angostura bitters. I don't know what Angostura means. Angostura? I don't know what that actual word means, but those are just the normal bitters. Like when you get a bottle of bitters, it's Angostura. And they've come up in the past. Angostura? Hmm.'ve come up in the past. That might be Angostura.

Hmm. Then you pour all the ingredients into a mixing glass with ice cubes. Stir well. Strain into chilled cocktail glass. Garnish? Well, a cocktail cherry. Hey, we've got those.

In the interest of being a law-abiding citizen, I am going to stir it on cubes and strain it, but I'm doing a shaker. I think you gotta wonder, come on. I feel like the shaker is the best. I like the shaker. I like that.

They want this to be smooth. Yeah. I, I like to shake her too, but I'm happy to get some uses. I've got one of those old timey, like a big crystal glass and a long spoon to swirl with. And I never use it.

A swizzle spoon. Today I'm getting my money worth. Your money worth. What's the deal with shaking? Maybe it opens up the liquor differently or something? It pulverizes it. I mean, I like it because of those little glass shards,

I mean, icy shards that get in there. You're putting glass in there? Yeah, don't do that. When you shake it, I guess you bruise the liquor. So some fancy people don't like to bruise the gin. I got you. Martini or whatever. Hey, she.

When we're stirring the stir, you got to go fast and go kind of a lot of stirs so that it gets, like when you get some frost on the outside, that means you stirred enough. You've stirred enough. That means stir no more. The only other thing I found here, Canadian whiskey was used for making the Manhattans because during the Prohibition, it was like easier to get Canadian whiskey. It was more accessible. So we know it came from Manhattan and this is a very old, maybe the Tom Collins is the

only other cocktail we've done that is this old because this is way before Prohibition and everything. 1880s is this. Do we think it's fancy? The Manhattan Club is like a social club. In LA, we have the California Club or the Jonathan Club and the Manhattan Club. So this is a fancy affair. I just – because it has rye, it never felt very New York-y to me. I think like a New York-ish, there should be a smoother, more elegant drink

called the Manhattan. And rye almost seems like a more rural drink to me. So today we'll find out when we taste this. We will find out. I wonder about that rye, because I have the same feeling, but it's because I'm picturing like a field of rye wheat. Me too.

So what you're saying, Tim, is this whole episode is challenging your preconceptions. Yeah, except also I guess I don't have any preconceptions because all I know is that this doesn't seem like a Manhattan-y drink to me, but it was made in Manhattan. Yep.

I'm really waiting for one of these things that's like, okay, here's how it was made, and this is why it's called this. Uh, the Cuba Libre was probably the, uh, the best we had on that. This is why the cocktail community needs us.

Cause we're kind of a breath of fresh air. They're all bickering over what boring ass thing happened. And we're coming in and we're like, nah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. They're,

they're, they're bickering and we're like, uh, dude. Yeah, yeah, they're bickering and we're like, uh, another round? We've already had the first round. Awesome. All right, let's get into it. Dude, that was awesome. That was fucking awesome.

Happy New Year. Let's mix up these drinks. Yeah. Oh, man, I'm so fucking pumped. Woo. We'll be right back. PRP hey folks we're back talking about the Manhattan

guys let's sip whoa right into the sip well you got something you want to say I was going to tell you a bunch of my secrets. That's a kind of a tough one. So you're saying New York is a tough town? Well,

it's been tough for me, man. Everyone keeps pushing me down. I walk down the street. People pick up crap on the ground and throw it at me, man. Everyone keeps pushing me down. I walk down the street. People pick up crap on the ground and throw it at me, directly at me. Yeah, this is an old-fashioned drink. Not an old-fashioned. No. But you can tell that it's kind of rank.

Yeah. But it tastes like an old-fashioned, right? Yeah, it is kind of old-fashioned. I guess it is, yeah. Yeah, this kind of tastes a little more... My grandparents, I think, put a lot of old-fashioned. I guess it is, yeah. This is, yeah, this kind of tastes a little more, my grandparents, I think, put a lot of vermouth in it, which I don't really like vermouth. I can taste the vermouth in this.

I'm not thrilled about it. Now, Mike, I know because we've shared a lot of martinis together that you don't do very much vermouth, if any at all, for martinis. Yeah, very light. I don't know, I don't really know what vermouth is. I don't really like the, I don't want to know what vermouth is, it's like a wine, right, Tim? Yeah. And that's the problem is like, I also, I make a lot of martinis is probably the thing that I make most and still, and I, and I like them bone dry. So I put like maybe one little eye drop dripper of, uh, of

vermouth in there. But the problem is that like you're saying it is a wine so you can't have that bottle around for too long like when you open a bottle it's made from grapes and it's like if you open a bottle of vermouth it's like good and fresh for a few days and then you can keep it in your fridge for like a couple of months but it's like it's like keeping a bottle of wine in your fridge and i didn't know that so like the first two years i was making martinis i was on the same bottle of vermouth and it got all stanky and then i would want to put even less and less because it tasted gross and it was just like this rotten shit in my good drink then i'd be like how can i put only one atom i made the special trip to go get the specified

sweet red vermouth yeah you hooked me up but um i don't know uh this drink ain't my fave out of the gate i i had uh i had the red vermouth too but it's been in there in my cupboard for a long time not even in like the fridge the top was open and it was not refrigerated the top was open there was no top just dust That's how I'll tell you that. Just dust, a layer of dust. Dust in it. Uh-oh. Flies in it. The whole thing.

I got to say, Mike, do you know if there's a good graveyard nearby? Because you're going to want to get yourself six feet under. Yeah, purchase a plot. I went to my doctor recently. I was like, how's it going? He's like, well, have you purchased any plots? I was like, why? Because I don't need it?

He's like, yeah. My doctor looked at me he said you're plotting that's a yiddish kind of a thing this is i got a feeling this is going to start tasting good in a few more sips it's one of those they all do hey once you hit the cherry it's good hey check this out guys oh look at a load of this yeah very nice jeff has a fancy luxardo cherry in the bottom of his glass how did you know it was a Luxardo? Because it's dark, dark, dark. I went to Bank of America and I got a loan.

Yeah. Put on your best suit. I was like, guys, there are these cherries. And they're like, yeah, Luxardo. So are you starting a cocktail podcast? And I was like, yeah. So they got me on the hook. You'll notice here in mine, there is no cherry because my maraschinos, $14 worth of maraschinos

are still at large. Don't know where they are. Have you been looking for them 24-7? Mike, you got to get- I put signs up on the neighborhood and everything. Get Maria on the mic and we'll interrogate her. No, she doesn't know. Nobody knows.

It's unbelievable. You believe that? I had one cherry and that's it. Do you have that app, Cherry Trigger? No. No, don't you have to pay for that? There's some in-app purchases, but the app's free. Well, it's funny because by the time I use that, it's

per month. By the time I find it, it's going to cost me $14 because it's $7 a month. And that's more than the cherries. Yeah, it's going to cost me $14 because it's $7 a month. And that's like more than the cherries. Yeah, it's usually a two-month process to find a cherry jar. Do you guys think that you have a sophisticated enough palate that if you sipped this – No. Like to me, I'm not a whiskey guy and this tastes so much like an old-fashioned and so much like a Sazerac that I famously don't know about uh the difference between bourbon and rye we've established that on the pod yeah bourbon is more corn and rye is all rye i took a little

a sip of the rye on the way in stole a little yeah love it and um i i still don't like rye as much as bourbon bourbon is is got that sweet warm darker and rye has that uh tangy tinge of like rye bread of like deli bread it's got a lot of bite to it it it's hey it's the brew that bites back that's why they always say that i guess and then sweet vermouth is weird when we're making our martinis we're using dry vermouth and it's weird and now this sweet red vermouth it's coming through more than i expected with such a bitey whiskey it's kind of funny to like that vermouth taste is so um i recently watched the movie the vermouth hunt uh groundhog day classic yeah the vermouth movie uh, Groundhog Day. Classic. Yeah. The Vermouth movie.

Vermouth the movie. Groundhog Day. When, uh, he's memorizing Andy McDowell's drink so that he can then show off later that he orders the same drink as her. Her drink is sweet vermouth on the rocks with a twist. Oh, that's nasty.

Disgusting. I think sweet vermouth is an Italian thing. Is that, is that what think sweet vermouth is an italian thing is that is that well yeah vermouth it's wine and it's from italy and there were a lot of italian any type of vermouth is is italian that's my belief but i'm a stupid man yeah that's true we could who knows but did you guys i think i just brought this up but did you did yours make a lot? Did yours yield a lot? Yeah, you got a lot there, Jeff. I told you, it's a double. It's a double, right, right, right.

And Tim, you got a double too? I've got one of the smaller types of martini glass, which I think is maybe only three and a half ounces. So I got a little baby. A pony. Pony. I made some Cosmos around the holidays for like four people. And you know,

when you're like shaking up a drink or something, as you're pouring them out, you're like, shit, is this going to be enough for all these glasses? And it wasn't. Oh, that sucks. So I just had to make like another quick one.

It all worked out. I didn't, I wasn't sweating bullets when I handed it to him, but. The times where I've like had a full shaker and then I have these two, um, old fashioned glasses. What do you call them?

Rocks glasses. Like a rocks glass. Low balls. Rocks glass. And every time I shake it up and I fill up both rocks glasses perfectly, I'm like, yeah, I'm a natural. It only just occurred to me that like, oh no, it's made to do exactly that. That's the idea. I'm a natural.

Well, you know, with most cocktails cocktails if it comes out too small you plop a few extra cubes in there but when you're doing a cosmo it's humiliating it just it dribbles out that's that everyone there i am holding a half pink drink i think i just remembered the first time maybe not the first time i heard of ruth but did i paid it much heed that i regarded it yeah uh was um in a farewell to arms like hemingway is telling him talking about fantastic novel if you haven't read it guys i gotta jump out real quick sorry i'm so sorry while jeff gets his sushi i'll tell you that this i mean mike can talk forever about this i mean whatingway, you say? One of the best. One of the best writers. Pros, pros, Hemingway.

He's a pro at the pros. No, in A Farewell to Arms, it's like he falls, which is, I think this part is autobiographical. He fell in love with a nurse, and the nurse who's older than him is like nursing him back to health while he's hurt in World War I in Italy. And they, she, I think she gives him handjobs.

It was long enough ago that they had to be classy about saying it. But he kind of gets his nurse to fall in love with him so that she will both masturbate him, but then also bring him sweet vermouth. And that's what he's drinking. The whole time he's in the hospital, he's not allowed to have alcohol, but he's like, you know,

uh, this guy is having booze and hand jobs. And it's ironic. Uh, Jeff, you got your sushi all set. Yeah. I'm not going to eat it right now.

Good. Good. You got to cook it up. Yeah. I got to cook that shit. Put that in the oven at 350. Well, as you guys know at this point, these are Manhattans, a borough of Manhattan. It was made in the borough of Manhattan.

We've also got, I did not know this because I was like, how come Manhattan has a drink? There is also a Bronx, a Brooklyn, a Queens, and Staten Island kind of has something called the Staten Island Ferry. But each borough has its own drink. Oh. What? I think I've heard of the Brooklyn, but not the others. Are they worth a damn? They're, let's see, this Brooklyn is like rye, dry vermouth, maraschino liquor, and americone?

That's the same thing. Yeah, bitters or something? Yeah, I think it's kind of the same thing. Are they all like just plays on Manhattan? Not exactly. Hold on. You can edit some of this out, but there's something I find interesting.

I'm just looking at the Wikipedia real quick. The Bronx is gin, vermouth, and orange juice. And it was formally listed in the IBA official cocktail list. Whoa! And it was ranked the third the IBA official cocktail list. Whoa! And it was ranked the third most famous cocktail in the world in 1934. In 1934. I'm getting a little mad at you. Wait, what's this one called?

The Bronx. Oh, we got to do it, baby. Yeah. Damn. Damn. And then the Queens is vermouth, pineapple juice, and gin. And the Staten Island is, they don't really have one. It's called the Staten Island Ferry, named after the ferry that takes passengers to and fro.

It's Malibu rum and pineapple juice. It's tropical flavoring is a satire on the fact that Staten Island is an island, though far removed from the tropics. It is a funny cocktail. Yeah. I've talked to a lot of Staten Island people, and they're always like, yeah, I take the ferry to and fro. Where do you got to go? It goes to and fro.

When you're drinking this drink, do you think it's safe to say the bitters make it better? Yeah. Oh, I forgot bitters make it better yeah oh i forgot bitters no hold on you forgot 30 of the ingredients well i got so excited about my goddamn cherry hold on this guy's a mess his bitters in the shitter, man. He is a mess. He's out there chasing down sushi all afternoon. All he seems to care about is sushi, and cocktails have taken a back seat. Yeah. Jeff, you should start your own sushi podcast if you want to run around and do sushi and not put the ingredients in the cocktails we're making.

I have an excuse because my maraschino cherries have been stolen or they've gone missing. I was going to cut the sushi business from the whole thing. Here's what I want from you, Jeff. I want you to be a rye guy. I want you to have vermouth on your mouth. What does any of this mean?

I want you to have... Vermouth on your tooth. I want you to have vermouth on your tooth. I want you to have... Vermouth on your tooth. I want you to have vermouth on your tooth. Okay. I want you to have bitters. I want you to act bitterly when you don't have bitters. And I want you to cut the sushi crap out. Did you guys know that the bartender from Birds...

Who's that guy? Brandon? Brandon. Yeah, Brandon. He was saying that occasionally they'll pour themselves some soda and put bitters in there. And like soda and bitters

is a good like bartender, keep you peppy, keep you awake type drink. It's a classic. If you're sober and you're at a bar, I think bitters and club soda is a go-to drink. It's like a nice mocktail.

Oh, here's something I want to talk about. You guys know how sometimes recording artists will update the lyrics to their songs? Yes, and I love when they do that. Yeah. Right. Well, that's why I wanted to bring it up. Think about Elton John, right? Candle in the Wind.

Mm-hmm. Think about Adam Sandler when he had new Hanukkah songs, stuff like that. Yep. Yep. I was thinking about tonight's cocktail, which you guys mentioned was the Manhattan. And then I was thinking more people should be hearing about this thing. And maybe a good way to get the word out would be if Jay-Z and Alicia Keys would

update the lyrics to one of their songs and re-release it and that way maybe it could... To one of their songs. Yeah. Which song? Well, I know they've come together on one I can think of, but... Well, I thought of one and I made a little demo for it.

And if anyone listening is friends with Alicia keys, uh, or as friends with Jay Z, if you could get this to them, that would be great. But it's just an idea I had. Uh,

so let's go ahead and hit play. And look, I'm sure a lot of people are like, I'm not friends with Jay Z, but you, you look through your contacts. If you're friends with Sean Carter, that's the,

actually the same guy. Exactly. You might not think you're friends with Jay-Z, but make sure. Just text Sean Carter and say, here's a song you should listen to. Hit it. Yeah, it is a cocktail and it has whiskey and it has bitters and it has vermouth and the whiskey's rye. The vermouth is sweet and the bitters and castora Garnished with a cherry It's not a martini But it's in that glass though But it's way browner

One last thing though It's got no olives And it's got no olive juice Within it A Manhattan It's a brown cocktail Like a brown martini But it's a brown cocktail like a brown martini, but it's a Manhattan.

Yeah, it's way, way, way, way, way browner due to the whiskey. Let's hear it for a Manhattan. Oh, yo. Oh, wow. And there you have it. Huh. Hey, that's pretty good. That's just a demo?

I think that's radio ready, T. What I think is so nice about it, and so kind of cool about that, you're in show business, Tim. Yes. You, I mean, you're a, Jeff was joking about the Sean Carter stuff. You are a phone call away from these guys. Quite possibly, yeah.

In the biz. I mean, this could get into Jay and Keith's hands quick. Well, here's what I'm thinking, though. I totally made this as a demo, totally picturing them re-releasing their song with these lyrics. But Dutz just said that maybe this is something, if this is release worthy on its own, then it's really just a cover that I put out.

Oh, yeah. Honestly, you might have more success featuring on their song. You think it would do better if it was Jay and Alicia? I think it would do better for, yeah, if the singers were, you know, Jay-Z and Keys. Yeah, you have a point. And Tim features on it.

I think that would do better for the song. That's true. And Tim's rap career. That's true. That could be cool if I do a feature verse, like they're mainly doing this song and then they both turn to me and they're like,

and now here comes Tim. Tell him, Tim. That could be a way to get me, let's just say, shoot me into the stratosphere. Yeah. And then you maybe your verse would be about how you came up with the idea and what you used to record it

and how you met them. And I could plug the podcast, which would be great. You know what I liked about it, Tim, was you used a lot of familiar touch points. Like, it's in a martini glass, but it's not that. And like, it's similar to this, but it lacks this characteristic. And right at the gate, I'm learning so much. Well, you know, these music listeners, they hear that something is like something else and they start thinking, oh, is it exactly a hundred percent like that thing? So that's why you have to say, oh, is it exactly 100% like that thing?

So that's why you have to say, no, there are differences as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I don't want to be caught with my pants down making assumptions. No. If you do that, it makes a fool out of you and me. Well, I wish you the best of luck, Tim. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

See you. Sorry, Jeff. I took it from you you ass you ass hey folks we're back with our final thoughts on the Manhattan and I gotta say not a fan. I originally took a sip of this and went, whoa, this is no good.

But then I learned to maybe take a little smaller sips. This is the type of drink I will order again if I'm, you know, when you hear about like a little speakeasy type bar or something, it's like, hey, there's this cool wood panel place. Let's put on our, you know, slightly tighter slacks and go out and have a drink. I'll get a Manhattan there. Usually I would say it old fashioned because it's the first thing I can think of in that type of atmosphere. But I would try a Manhattan in a different spot. I would give it a whirl.

Yeah, okay. Tea? It's gotten better as I got drunker, that's for sure. So is this episode. To borrow a Dutton term, I would say that it's appointment only. Yeah, Timmy! And still, the thing thing my hypothesis at the beginning

has proven true i don't think it tastes new yorky i think new york i think manhattan deserves a more a more elegant drink i submit the vodka martini to be now called the manhattan and i think that this drink we're drinking today should be called the Pittsburgher. That's a good one. That could also be a chain of burger places in Pennsylvania. I was trying to be a shock jock when I came out of the gate and just said I don't like it. I just mean, I guess, that I do old fashions all the time

and I would do an old fashion over this. Where does this fall versus an old fashion for you guys? Old fashion is better. This, this to me, I mean, I'll keep drinking them and I like all tastes on earth, but this to me is the worst cocktail we've had on this podcast because vermouth is, I don't, I like dry vermouth, sweet vermouth. I got to find a way in. I like Negronis. They have sweet vermouth, right? Yeah, this does taste, that's what the taste is that I'm, a Negroni tastes a lot like this.

Or that's the, the sweet vermouth must be the same thing. Negronis are good though. Lifting the veil here a little bit, guys. Next time we get into some sweet vermouth or any of the stuff that goes bad, we got to make like a month out of it. If I'm going to be buying a bottle of some shit that's going to go bad,

let's get three episodes out of it. It's Vermouth Month. That has such a ring to it. Everyone is going to be saying that. It's Vermouth Month. And if someone in your life has been buying up a lot of vermouth and you're confused why, now you know. It's Vermouth Month. It's Vermmouth it's vermouth mouth did you uh now

who do you guys think drinks this type of thing probably like my grammy and pap pap yeah probably probably bobby and nana uh it's it it's still it's got it's a hard-nosed drink it's got a, it's a hard-nosed drink. It's got a rough edge. It's a, I think it's a gangster 1930s New York. It's not a Manhattan Club High Society 1870s New York. It's the rough part of town. Guys, before we get into the, I didn't tell you the best part. Nana Marsha remarried later in life to a man that I call Skipper Bill. Is he a skipper?

That's the Manhattan. He was a skipper. He was some serious military intelligence and he worked at Area 51 and he worked on spy camera lenses and he told me all sorts of crazy shit. He's cool. Anyway, I was holding out on you this whole time.

This one's for Skipper Bill. All right, that's it for the Manhattan. Let's open up some mail. Allison writes, Hey guys, my husband's favorite drink is a Negroni, which tastes like someone sprayed fruity hairspray directly into your mouth. What's an unpopular opinion you hold near and dear to your heart? Love the show, Allison.

We think that the Manhattan is bad. Hey, I'll tell you, this is Allison about Negronis. Our friend Neil Campbell one time ordered a Negroni on the rocks. And I said, oh, I'll have a Negroni on the rocks. And then I drank that and it was way better instead of getting it up and strained. So try your Negronis on the rocks for once in your life. Hey, uh, since you brought up Neil, Neil makes me think of Fran, you see. Hi Neil. Hi Fran. Uh, picklebacks. People think picklebacks are gross. Oh, that's a good one.

So that's like a shot generally of whiskey of like Jameson, Jamie Pickleback. You take a shot of whiskey and you take a shot of pickle juice. To a lot of people, that sounds gross. I think they're fantastic. I think they're fantastic, too. I would have never had it if Fran hadn't turned me on to it. And it's delicious. I do think Fireball is the one that people,

anyone want to do fireball shots? And if you're with the wrong crowd, it's like, what are you talking about? Those are gross. They're not gross. Yeah, I've seen your hand shoot up in a crowd. Me, me. I'll do one.

I'll do one right now. I'll do anything. Wait, but to answer this question, are there things that we dislike that other people like? I don't think I have one cause I kind of like everything. Oh, it's something that we dislike that other people like. Here's where I always felt kind of weird is during the whole craft beer

explosion. I never really have loved fancy beers and IPAs and stouts. When you say that there's coffee in the stout, it doesn't do anything for me. And then sometimes the can is so cool and the guy who's pouring it for you is so excited about it. And I always feel like I'm breaking his little heart. Absolutely. Especially when it comes to IPAs, the IPA pissing contest with hops. I'm just so uninterested in brewers. Just turn it into this weird thing where they fetishize the amount of hops or whatever. And I'm not into it. I like, I feel the same way. Cause I, I do, I don't dislike hops. I like them. And I like Sierra Nevada, which is like a hoppy-ish kind of beer.

And I like a lot of whatever, hops, beers. But one time we were shooting a comedy sketch at Smog City Brewery. They're fantastic. They've got great beers. And we were hanging out with them and we were learning. And then one of the brewmasters said, here's some fresh hops, taste this. And I put hops right into my mouth and I tasted it. And I was like, oh, this is that taste.

Like you could stir some of this into a Budweiser and probably have an IPA. So I don't – we don't have to compete with the 60-minute, the 90-minute, the 5-minute, the 2-minute. Just make your beers, folks. I got one that you guys probably will disagree with. I am not a fan of Hefeweizens and ciders. Oh, I love a Hefeweizens. I know, I know you do. Every time you order one, I'm like, Jeff, what do you,

don't order me one. I love them. Not into it. Now let me ask you about the ciders. Have you had a really dry cider that's not sweet at all? I don't know what I've had. People have put ciders in my hands and I say, well, get this out of here. Well, I thought I didn't like ciders because here in America,

they're always really appley and really rustic. Yeah. And you drink them in the, in the fall. Uh, but one time I was over in the UK and I had some very crisp, crisp, actually pear cider that had almost no sweetness whatsoever. And I said,

this, I could get behind for once in my life. The Brits know how to do ciders, man. I said, the Brits are the shits. Well, if you got a question for the boys, email us

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