The Sloppy Boys - 160. French Martini 

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

The guys revisit an ‘80s smash that is neither French nor a martini.FRENCH MARTINI RECIPE1.5oz/45ml Vodka.5oz/15ml Raspberry Liqueur.5oz/15ml Pineapple JuicePour all ingredients into a cocktail shaker, shake well with ice and strain into a chilled cocktail glass. Garnish with lemon peel, squeezing oil from peel onto the drink.Recipe via the International Bartenders Association (https://www.iba-world.com/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey folks, welcome to the Sloppy Boys where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love. I'm Jeff Dutton along with Mike Hanford. Hi. And Tim Kalpakis. What is up? And we are your hosts of the Sloppy Boys podcast, the podcast with timeless integrity. Yes. Timeless integrity. We're number one on a lot of people's lists. Yes. Not on any publications.

Don't finish that thought, Tim. Don't finish that thought. Nobody needs to know. We were the third funniest podcast of 2022. Right. But now we don't even have to timestamp that sort of thing. Yeah. We're just number one on a lot of people's lists, and we're timeless.

Yeah. And we don't talk the way that a lot of modern podcasters talk. We just do what we do, do our thing. Every other podcast is like, oh, my God, can you believe what Biden is doing? Oh my God. I listen to a lot of those podcasts. Yeah. Jesus.

I like them. I like them. And that's if you ever hear me doing that cadence and kind of going on and on about Biden and all of his hijinks. Yeah. No, it's not just Biden, Tim. Oh my God. Can you believe

Taylor Swift's new albums are out? Yeah, that's all podcasts. Oh God, yeah. Have you heard? Have you heard about this? Fire up a podcast. You won't hear anybody

doing any other voice. Anyone you hear. Every voice you'll hear. Oh my God. I was at the mall the other day and I saw Travis Cal State jersey

I almost bought it I almost bought it I almost fucking bought it either you know these people in these pockets buy it or don't buy it we don't want to hear about we only want to hear it

if you buy it actually because we love to hear about people buying stuff you know i am interested lately in buying a ps5 yes okay i don't have a console i haven't had a console in years i don't know why i would get one it would only waste my time and i don't have any particular games i like except for you gotta play the new Mario World game. The new Mario World. Now, see, I don't think I can get that on... That's not on PlayStation,

Tim. I don't think I can get that on PlayStation, but... You can rip it. I'll rip it for you. Oh. Grip it and rip it. What a friend. Maybe I will, then. Hmm. You don't want to play Spider-Man 2? I don't even know what I want to play. I just feel like if I had one, I'd have fun with it.

You would. I don't know what I want to play. Do you feel, Mike, in this moment, Jeff, you're a gamer, right? I play a little Fortnite. Don't tell me you were part of GamerGate. No, no, Tim, come on. Okay, good.

He was part of Watergate. You're at least, you're our resident resident gamer i'm a non-gamer mike you're now sounded like an aspiring gamer do you have this feeling mike i uh i was kind of just saying this to someone the other day i see video game or i have historically seen video games as like a big time suck and uh but then more recently i was sort of like you know i guess i mean my free time i like to be productive in some fashion and i see uh video games as fun but but there's nothing that comes from it uh but then yeah more recently i was like well who gives a fly what about the hand eye the hand eye do you find yourself applying that to other things, Jeff? Oh yeah. You haven't seen me at the grocery store.

Bananas. Grapes. Well, you're playing Fruit Ninja over there. Have you seen me at the grocery store? I'm over there going, oh, I have one grape. I'll have one banana. Now, if you play Fruit Ninja on your phone, that's perfect. Yes, yes, yes. No, but I was sort of just thinking recently, now that I'm old enough to know that life is kind of just a sort of bunch of random bullshit all the time.

It's sort of like, yeah, just if you, let's say you sit down and you play a video game for six hours. Those were six fun hours. Sounds like a pretty good life. It's six good hours of your life. Now, what am I doing over here that's so much better you know yeah it's a thrill he ain't doing jack shit and it's not like i'm doing this stuff from the games it's not like i'm instead of playing mario i'm not out there you know bouncing under coin boxes and eating mushrooms and getting big and

right because that's what they always say is why don't you do this in real life? Yeah, do the stuff. Do the real stuff. It's funny with Mario. Mushrooms make him grow, but he also, some mushrooms he stomps on. Okay? Yeah, okay. And some of them give him extra life. Yeah. Right?

Okay. And we're supposed to go along thinking, this is normal. This is what normal people do. Well, shit. I'm going to say that. And when I dress as a frog it's weird on you know a few weeks ago you would have been fine jeff halloween halloween how is it these nintendo characters are so timeless because to me these things are not in my life but when i'm on a podcast with you geeks uh there's a lot of talk about how toad is 32 or references to bowser and stuff like

that and to me geeks yeah wait hold on let's hold on a second let's go back to geeks let him finish let him finish i don't even have a console when you guys say that stuff yeah i'm thinking hey we're making kitschy references to our youth but here we are in a year where there was a hit Mario movie and a hit Mario video game. It's current top of the charts. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How do they do that? They're good. What is it about that family of characters? Hey, I love them. I loved them when I was kids. I like the specificity. I like it. I would have never thought of an Italian plumber. That's so cool. It's nostalgia. No,

but, but what I'm saying is I don't know that it is because the current, like my, my friends, Sean and Jill, their kids, they got three kids watching the new Mario movie, loving it,

laughing at Jack black singing about peach. They don't know it's a reference to anything. They're just taking it as new content. See, it's see Tim, what you're looking for is that it has that timeless integrity. Yeah, I guess that was it. That all good content has. Here's what I'll say.

There's something going on in the world these days that we've never seen before where the remakes, the redos, Ninja Turtles. I've not thought about this, Mike. This is the first time this has been pointed out to me. Yeah, this is good stuff. We're doing it again. Let them cook. And guess what?

So they want the kids to see it. Who's taking the kids? The adults. Who was playing with Ninja Turtles when they were a kid? The adults. Sure. Kids and adults now have the same interests. Yeah, but why make new shit so you're saying that

my friends sean and jill are responsible for their kids liking the movie tim sean and jill are complicit yeah well what about maggie charlie and liam are those the kids themselves i point them i point the finger at them. And I always will. I'm calling you out, Maggie, Charlie, and Liam. I don't know. Something's going on with the Mario franchise that we just don't get. No, because it's expensive to educate the populace about a new thing. Why create the floofies if you already have Mario and Toad and Peach?

Is floofies a thing? No, I just made it up. Okay, okay, okay. okay okay all right all right that's my fucking point mike i knew i was walking into something there would it kill kids to play tapper once in a while make a tap i know thank you get tapper out there he oh tapper can't be in uh uh 360 3d technology like all the other games come on of course he could he's so round he's so round he's so he's so successful successful he's as successful as you want him to be go ahead a movie mashup guys uh tapper versus taffer so. So Taffer from Bar Rescue comes into the Taffer Tavern and gives them notes. Oh, people don't drink just pints of Budweiser

anymore. You have to have a cosmopolitan, man. That's pretty good. That's good. I don't hate that. You have four bars all in straight rows. That's weird. Yeah. And one bartender working four bars. You let punkers into some of them?

You're smashing mugs all over the place every day. You live in a box. This is weird. This is weird. You're controlled electronically. Here's why, what got me thinking about it. Because a lot of times I'll plop down the couch and like, you know what I'm watching consistently now? The Office, which I've seen. I'm having a great time watching it.

But I'm in like season six and I'm just like, I know where this goes. It goes to Michael Leaves and then who knows what's going on. Sure. So I need to fill that time. Relax time. It's called relax time. I heard that Office mania is finally cooling down, that like the Office's streaming numbers, because right now I think it's on what, like Peacock? Or where were you watching it? Yeah, Peacock.

That maybe the constant, constant rejuvenating success of that show over and over again might be finally dying down. People still watch it, but it's not like wherever it goes is a monster hit. I was thinking about that with Seinfeld recently. People are still watching that like crazy, huh? It's holding strong. I think it's big on Netflix. Holding true. Timeless integrity.

Timeless integrity. This podcast should be called Timeless Integrity. We don't have to drink all the time i hate drinking oh tim why did you have some chartreuse i don't i don't like drink i don't fucking want it i don't want more uh star anise flavor this is my job you want me to do this at a bar my thing is rising and grinding and hustle culture and all that yeah here's one last thing about video games. Whenever I get down about feeling like this is stupid, I shouldn't do this at all anymore.

I read an article. I read one about Kumail. You know, my former neighbor, Tim's former neighbor. Until very recently. I was looking up all your former neighbors and i found this one interesting article on and uh it said you know like he likes to play video games and here he was gearing up for

a marvel movie and stuff and i was like well see you can be productive and and play video games it can be done you can be a functioning adult in the modern day and play video games that's how he bulked up was just mashing his fingers on the controller and he got all ripped. His thumbs got big and then his wrists got big and then his arms. Yeah, it trickles up his arms and down his torso. But, you know, it doesn't

work that way for the common man, I think, to equate video games with, I can still have a fruitful career. Tracks gotta be laid already. Yeah. So like Mike Mitchell does this, Eva Anderson, both people we've had on or talked about on the show,

do this thing where they just, they play video games, they watch every movie, they see every TV show, they read all the articles. They just like have such a capacity for. Like a sponge. Stuff coming in. I'm always, I hang out with them like why who's this what's that they know everything yeah i mean like neil catches up a lot of stuff

but but video games aren't one of his things he'll do like yeah they are books and he plays video games he plays video games yes he does everything that flies in the face of everything i know about well that's it's infuriating to me that like i don't follow sports i don't play video games and then you're talking to a guy like neil and he also knows more about like comedy than me then i'm like what the fuck i can't have one thing fine i bet i eat more ribeyes than you dude well you know and and you know he's listening this too so neil how do you do it he would love to hear we would love an audio recording from Neil Campbell, contest winner Neil Campbell, about how he does it.

How does he fit it all in? What's his day like? How do you? We want a Marky Mark Wahlberg breakdown of your day, Neil. Can I share something? Or am I just not ever allowed to talk on it? You're allowed. If you want timeless integrity, I think all three of us should get to talk. it you're allowed if you want timeless integrity i think

all should three of us should get to talk here's what i wanted to say i thought of this because i just i made a joke about ribeyes and remind me jeff and i were at a house party recently jeff did you see me getting my astrology chart read there was a lady there that took out like the the astrology app and no that's devil stuff i'm into that. I agree because of this experience kind of people were gathered around hearing me get my charts read. And, uh, this lady goes,

okay, so you're like, you're a Taurus and you're this and you're that. So it means like you're, you like things the way, you know, and I've, I've heard this about Taurus.

This seems pretty basic, but listen to this. I, this is a stranger. Don't know me. Doesn't know me from Adam. Cor me. Doesn't know me from Adam. Corolla. Doesn't know me from Adam Conover.

She goes, so you're a Taurus. You're kind of stubborn. You like things the way you like them. You like your ribeye medium rare. Get the fuck out of here. She said that to me. And like, it's just an example of like you know what you like and you like what you know you like your media and i was like was

that just random and lucky or well i think so you're a public figure though remember i know but i freaked out and i was like did you know that and she's like what i was like did you know ribeye's my favorite food and she's like she got all excited and then i was like wow and i order at medium rare and then she was like see this stuff's like real and everybody's like wow this looks like real but see see i'm sure like if you're talking to like a big fat jackass like me it's probably like steak is a safe thing to reference uh but from now on i'm an guy. Look to the stars for me. Wait a minute. Now, wait a minute. Is that how it works? I'm a rocket man.

You shoot to the stars. I'm taking off. I'll be up there, folks. Don't hurt your necks. I'll be up there in the stars. I heard they got medium rare ribeyes up there. I'm going. Can we get to the fucking booze news, please? Yeah. For once, yeah. Bib, bib, bib, bib, bib, bib.

Booze news, hit it. 2021, we think about me. I could wait a year, but I couldn't wait three. Boy. I don't want to be. Boy. Boy. 2021, we think about us.

Cap goes crazy, themes go lost. Boy. Boy. It's booze news. You elder respecting fucks. Boozer of the news was sent to us by David Conway. And if you have a booze news theme, email it to the sloppy boys podcastboyspodcast.gmail.com. Nice.

That was a mashup of the... I had told a story on our Patreon show. Folks, you got to subscribe. And I think that that was on the reenactor episode. I told a scary story about my neighbor calling me over saying, bye, old creepy lady. And then that was a mash-up with the fought with the vampire weekend song 2021 which had which had jenny lewis saying boy or was it jenny lewis it was either daniel heimer jenny lewis oh by the way that's cameron by the way we couldn't figure out who sang oh Oh, boy. Cameron.

Bam. Nice. That was a good one. I like Vampire Weekend. I like that boy story. I also like the, oh, Tim, you mentioned the Patreon. You like that? I like that.

You like that? You like the Patreon? Those of you who are not on Patreon, on the Sloppy Boys Patreon right now, get over there because today we talked about Taylor Swift's Era's Tour movie. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's maybe one that would send them running for the hills. You want to. That'll get some.

No, but it'll bring in some people who like to talk about current event stuff. Yeah. Our preferred listeners. Well, that's what's been happening all year. We've been getting inundated with new subscribers that are Swifty, Swifty, Swifties, all everywhere. Swifty, Swifty, cha-cha-cha. And then we do have some listeners who say, enough of this teeny bopper shit.

We want to talk about Rush. Talk about Yes. We just had a whole fucking month of old movies so the grandpas are happy. Trust me. The grandpas are satiated. Yeah. But even so,

listen to the podcast because it's us, you three boys. I'm pretty much your boy at this point. You love me. You love my two co-hosts. It's us talking about it so we've got some angles you're going to want to hear. Plus, a lot of times we don't even get to the fucking thing. I'm pretty much your boy at this point. You love me. You love my two co-hosts. It's us talking about it. So we've got some angles you're going to want to hear. Plus, a lot of times we don't even get to the fucking thing. I'm telling a story about my neighbor calling me boy. Boy.

Boy. Boy. Boy. Oh, you want to hear the booze news? Yes. Yeah. I really like this. This is the type.

This is why I became editor-in-chief is for a story like this. This is the type of stuff that i think is right up our alley a recent la times article which i found myself no slop heads even thought to send this to me la times that's one of the big boys yeah um the great lady of the west um listen to this headline the hot gen z bar in la is barney's beanery wait what oh wait what exactly mike that's so funny that's not is that true to to anyone who doesn't live in la barney's beanery is this hundred year old bar in west Hollywood. It is, has sort of a dive bar, a pinball machine,

potato skins, a roadhouse vibe. Beanery vibe. Yeah. Beaner. Um, and it's not what, like,

uh, you know, it's got story like old LA history and then some like sunset ship rocker dude type history but this is a whole article about like the the tiktok gang and young like 21 year old models like girls in la that currently if you go to i haven't been there in years i don't know about you guys but uh if you go there on a saturday night 10 o'clock, there is a long line of like 21 year old model girls. Model citizens? Model citizens.

Because this is like the hotspot, the place. And then this is, this article has a bunch of theories as to why, but won't you share? Do you guys, did you, Jeff,

when was the last time you were there? I think not since we saw the Soup Nazi. All those years ago. Was that the same night we saw Rab himself there? We saw a few CKY guys. Rab himself and somebody else, some kind of below the line talent. Dave England?

This article is sort of talking about um how it stands apart from like if if you're cool and young in la a lot of the clubby chic clubs are the main vibe so that you might be really charmed by this dive bar vibe just because it's maybe even your only experience with a dive bar but they were also pointing out there's an interesting thing they were talking about the ironic retro bar like good times at davey wayne's or whatever right it is a throwback bar and now here you have with barney's beanery a bar that really just is old yeah no need to throw back and you can go in and out of style by just doing your own thing and i was thinking about like how we went to bernie's in brooklyn and we're like oh it's kind of throwback and this is fun i guess like barney's if you just wait it out like you don't have to be doing

ironically you just you just are the thing you know wait bernie's in brooklyn what was that again um that's the place that's kind of got a tGI Fridays vibe. Elevated Applebee's style. Oh, yes, yes. I was not there when you guys went. Now, that's interesting, T. When you were saying the hot Gen Z spot, my mind doesn't even go to West Hollywood. You know what I'm saying? Wee-ho.

Where do you think? Eastside? East, baby. Yeah, you might be thinking cooler, Jeff, because I think Highland Park is for people who are smart. Wait a minute, Eastside, isn't that where you live, Jeff? Yeah. I don't think there's anything hip and cool going around where you are. But I had friends visit LA and they were like, hey, let's check out this restaurant that's like over here in West Hollywood or whatever.

And I said, guys, guys, let's be clear. You are going on an East Hollywood vacation. guys guys let's be clear you are going on an east hollywood vacation we'll drive to like the beach but there's nothing we're going to get at a restaurant in west hollywood that we can't like have a better time just hanging on the east side and los feliz silver lake echo park highland park glendale that's where it's at baby you got me i i agree but i think that did the artists hang out in west hollywood no it's like managers and shit but but i think that right but i think that the artists like you're saying if it's if you're like an alt comedian or a musician or or something or like an indie musician or something cool you find your way to the cool stuff on the east side this is models you know like tiktok

influencers and instagram influencers and models i don't't know that they, and it's also, they're young, so they're new to LA. So I don't know that they, you know, like. Right of passage, we did it too. When we were like 22 years old, we took the trip to Barney's Beanery for no goddamn good reason. We passed a hundred bars on the way to Barney's. I think for us, I was talking to Neil about this actually, that I think that, you know, your first year in LA, a lot of times you are looking for bars that remind you of home. And I think for us, we did gravitate to like dive bars where it's sort of like, oh, yeah, this feels kind of like the East Coast.

You normally drink while yingling. Yeah. So I understand being new in a city and then wanting a bar with a divy back home feel. But this article was kind of making the case for like kids having not really encountered this type of bar before. And then being like, cool, there's food and there's video games that like clubs don't have that. Like they're almost like finding a novel. And it's big and it's open air, right? They got a little porch. It's very porchy.

It gets pretty shoulder to shoulder though. You bump into someone, their potato skin falls right on your crotch. Ooh. Oh, that's hot. Ah. I guess I kind of loop it. I've seen another. I don't always report on it because we've covered it.

But I saw another article talking about Olive Garden has been doing really well recently and the kind of return to the suburbs post-COVID nostalgia for- People are going there for their bar? For dinner, for everything. It's like- Oh, okay, okay. Breadsticks. Like family dining. I think that family dining is not far off from the dive bar here where there's a certain comfort that people are looking for i saw a tiktok where a young gentleman with floppy hair and loose jeans was drawing a diagram about like what bars are like

on the way in and on the way out and which ones are like right on the bubble and where they are and stuff and one of the featured ones was 4100 which we also had this sort of we all had this conversation about the perplexing resurgence of 4100. It's not nearly as old as Barney's Beanery, but I remember when that was like a stuffy, whatever musty bar. And now it's like also divey, also East Coasty, lots of AstroTurf for people to hang out. And watching it go up and down. Cause like when we got to LA, And watching it go up and down. Cause like when we got to LA 4,100 was, I felt like a silver Lake, like an indie bar,

like, Oh, they have arcade fire on the jukebox. And I feel like an indie kid hanging out here. And it was cool. And we went there a lot. And then it had a decade of being uncool. And then during COVID they opened up,

turned their parking lot into, uh, like a beer garden, but they didn't even do a good job. Yeah. It's like grimy bad job for even it's better than ever and it's still not great but but it's crazy that it just the pandemic ended and this place stayed packed and it is like kind of a meat market vibe of like a hookah upy

sort of intense vibe in what was like precious indie silver lake is now like feels to me like almost like a college bar or something yeah crazy we gotta open a bar and we're here experiencing it all wow one last note i wanted to make about this article was they mentioned guess who used to tend bar at Barney's Beanery? Rab himself? Taffer. Taffer? Jake Taffer? Yes, from Bar Rescue. He was a bartender there. You just mentioned Taffer.

I'm surprised you weren't like, Taffer, who was at Barney's Beanery? I sat on it because I knew this story was coming. Did you guys see a vein bulging out of my forehead? I was biting my tongue. So this man's not doing so well. Jeffy?

Is that it for Booze News? Wrap it up. Wah! See? Nintendo shit! Yep. Nintendo stuff, man. Nintendo stuff, man. Nintendo stuff. Nintendo stuff, man. Nintendo stuff, man. Nintendo stuff.

Nintendo stuff. If this show was called Nintendo stuff, we would do so much better. Let's just change it. Now? Nintendo stuff, where we take a deep dive into the drinks you love. A hard turn at episode 361 or 161? No, we would still do what we do, but we just call it Nintendo stuff.

Oh, okay. And people would say, oh. Oh, Totes 32. Yeah, we've talked about Nintendo enough to be called Nintendo stuff. Can I get to the fucking drink of the day, please? That would sound good to me. It's a good one.

Good. The French Martini you've heard. No. So you certainly haven't had. I've not heard this name for it, but when I looked at the ingredients, I was like, oh yeah, this

makes me think of something I've seen. Allow me to set the scene with a little French music. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh, Daft Punk! Kidding. That's the only French musician I know. What about Phoenix?

Aha. Ooh. A band I've seen live before. Can I do my fucking story? Nobody's talking. Nobody's talking. October 2022. The Balthazar restaurant in New York City. Oh boy.

A Parisian brasserie. The night is going swimmingly. Meat market. Until a misprepared dish hits the wrong table. The man at the table starts cursing out the staff, according to accounts. I can't believe this. You arse.

Very good, Timmy. You can't do your job. Maybe I should go into the kitchen and cook the omelet myself. Illegal. Quote. That's the quote. That's it? He said that

yeah the staff profusely apologetic the angry man esteemed late night host James Corden former late night host band leader thank you band leader poacher James Corden

and this wasn't the first such event from this guest. In the past, Corden claimed to have found a hair in his dish, demanding another round of drinks, hinting he'd write a bad review online. That Monday, British-born restaurateur Keith McNally takes to Instagram and bans Corden from his restaurant, saying, Today I 86'd Corden, the most abusive customer to my balthazar server since the restaurant opened 25 years ago to the left to the left cordon see you later left cordon calls him

apologizes profusely issues this apology on his show i'm rather sorry the restaurant manager and the server they were lovely they were lovely they brought out four glasses of champagne as an apology but we were like that's not necessary we don't need it we'd had a great time even for me it was too early to start drinking so but here's the truth of it right because i didn't because i didn't shout or scream like i didn't get up out of my seat i didn't call anyone names or use derogatory language i've been walking around thinking that i hadn't done anything wrong right but the truth is like i have i made a rude rude comment and it was wrong it was it was an unnecessary comment it was ungracious to the server anyway that's a long clip and he sucks. I don't like him. So we're not going to play it. It's not even good enough to like play on the pot. It's meandering

and long and it doesn't ring true to me. But McNally lifts the ban. Corden is welcome back in the restaurant. Until days later, a New York Times interview brings up the fiasco. Until days later, a New York Times interview brings up the fiasco. Corden responds, I haven't done anything wrong on any level. I was there. I get it. I feel so zen about the whole thing because I think it's so silly. I think it's beneath all of us.

It's beneath you. It's certainly beneath your publication. It feels like such a silly thing to talk about. And then the London Times. It's been the most surreal moment. I mean, it's so odd. I never screamed at anyone. I didn't shout, didn't call anyone a name or swear or use derogatory language. And then the London Times. Wow. Whoa! Flip-flop, flip-flop. He says,

Flip-flop, flip-flop. He says, Last post on this non-story. I don't want to over-egg the pudding. A little restaurateur talk. But in Friday's London Times, Corden flip-flopped and told a massive lie again. On second viewing,

I found his TV confessional, quotes, contrived and phony. Ooh. The actor will say anything to save his bacon. Another restaurant joke. In the scheme of things, my opinion means nothing, but after Friday's interview and a second look at his

fraudulent confessional, I've given up on James Corden for good. End of story. Two Brits going at it in the news, in the rags. That's right. Now, unfortunately, you know, they say

you die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. That's what they say. Well, James McNally, he stepped in it a couple of times on Instagram since. He shared a post thanking Woody Allen and Sunni for dining at Balthazar after the documentary came out. Nobody liked that. And he also posted some support for Ghislaine Maxwell? Question mark? At least insisting on

due process before rushing to judgment. But we don't need to get into all that. Oh, is she a beloved customer? I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, I mean, why would you say anything? I mean, we know that she... Well, I'm not sticking up for him, but maybe

you wouldn't weigh in on Ghislaine at all if she wasn't like paying. Is it Ghislaine? Yeah. You can say Ghislaine. People love that. We know for a fact that she eats at In-N-Out Burger, the one that Birthday Boys used to go to all the time up by the Birthday

Boys house. But that doesn't implicate us, Tim. No, no. We've been acquitted. But let's not dwell on this future dark stuff. Let's go back about 30 years. A little shift in music. The idyllic late 1980s. Ooh!

The French martini is floating around New York City bars. Keith McNally is in his prime. He's opened about a dozen restaurants. Damn. Including Mineta Tavern and Nell's Nightclub. Then in 1996, bartender Dale DeGroff, a.k.a. King Cocktail. DeGroff, we know that name. You know DeGroff.

Author of The Essential Cocktail and The Craft of the Cocktail, puts the French martini on the menu at McNally's vodka themed bar Pravda before it makes the jump to Baltazar. I've heard of that place. Wow. Baltazar, it shoots into the stratosphere. Simon Difford of Difford's Guide has his first French martini in London in 97, the year after, prepared by Dick Bradsell, Europe's most influential bartender at the time. Inventor of the espresso martini.

This is like an all-star game moment. This is like Avengers, baby. I didn't know that Difford was a guy, too. That's a heavy hitter. Amazing. Simon Difford. We always read that guy. I didn't know he Difford was a guy, too. That's a heavy hitter. Amazing. Simon Difford. We always read that guy. I didn't know he was like a living dude.

Difford wrote in Class Magazine, quote, My favorite martini of the moment has to be the French martini, a drink that looks set to be the hit cocktail of 1998. The French martini resembles a sex on the beach, but without the sex, i.e. no peach schnapps or melon liqueur. Now, I'm going to go to the recipe, but we'll notice this is neither a true martini, nor is it French. Oh, fuck.

The IBA recipe calls for 45 milliliters vodka, 15 milliliters raspberry liqueur, 15 milliliters pineapple juice. Pour all ingredients into a shaker. Shake well with ice and strain into a chilled cocktail glass. Garnish with a lemon peel. Make sure to squeeze the oil from the lemon peel onto the drink. So express it.

I don't know why the IBA doesn't just. IBA does this sometimes where they'll rename things in different ways. It's like a dash of stuff. They don't have uniformity. Squeeze oil from lemon peel onto the drink. I've never heard that string of words. It's weird. This is exciting.

This is, so yeah, when I looked at this, I'm thinking like, and now it seals the deal, knowing that Dick Bradsell's involved. This is, we're talking sex in the city era. We're talking appletinis. We're talking about looking at a menu that says martini menu, and none of them are actual martinis. But this is sort of Cosmo, New York, vodka. I dig the vibe, man.

I did see a lot of the phrase cocktail renaissance of the 80s and 90s, which is funny because that puts a positive spin on it. I think we'd been calling that the dark years well i think i feel like um maybe it's like the things are getting the most play out there are the juicy fruity right right but down below there's like you guys were just talking about with west hollywood and east hollywood i think also we're talking about the right people i do think it's the dark ages but then uh dick bradsell who is also a brand the bramble guy like that's the guy who's doing this stuff right and not making his drinks too juicy and then dale de graff is like the dude so yeah i guess even uh you know well evil lurks hope can

hide like old ben kenobi hanging out on tatooine know, I haven't heard that name for many years. You know, that is geek shit. I love geek shit. Tim, you should take over questions for Lennon if I'm ever sick. Doing my Alec Guinness impression? Yeah, yeah. It'll be questions with Alec Guinness. All right.

Do you guys want to take a shot at it? The French martini? Yes. But what I was going to say real quick was did we have a drink maybe it was the cosmo where it was like it was like going from place to place like the odeon and tribeca tribeca was like a sort of a hub for cool people and does that ring a bell to you guys i remember the odeon was something but early i do i do think it was the cosmo yeah i like this this idea that around just like a small town, like a small town, but Manhattan, a smallish area, these drinks are being passed around,

and where are they going to make, oh, did you see this guy down at the Odeon's doing this? Crazy shit. Yeah. I like hearing. Cocktail cognoscenti. And I like hearing how it bridges the gap to the present, because, yeah, the Odeon I associate with, what's that Brett Easton Ellis novel?

Yeah, you read it, right? No, that's the LA one, but the New York one. Anyway, so I would have thought like if you just told me the drink like this, I would have, but that place is still around. And then balthazar i had only ever heard of this place because of the cordon incident so it's nice to know that it's been around this time and that mcnally the very guy uh clapping back at cordon is the is the original guy like it's really cool to think of manhattan going through eras like that and it's just still going yeah so keith mcnally was like the restaurant tour

i couldn't find like what bar when we say that it was like popping up in the late 1980s because that's when all the fruit juice was flowing i couldn't find like a guy who decided to put this together this just seems like something that was popping up sort of around the club scene in the late 80s and it wasn't minted as like a real thing until it landed on Pravda's menu, then Balthazar's menu. Oh, wait, so he didn't necessarily invent it? No, he's just sort of the godfather. He made people, made it happen.

This recipe shows restraint for the era. And I was a little confused when I first saw raspberry liqueur, but then when we figured, oh, Chambord, we've all got Chambord, right? The fancy purple ball enjoyed by all. Yeah, that's

where the, by the way, that's where the French comes from because that's a French liqueur produced in France since 1685. Ooh, cocktail glass. Nice. Ooh. Oh. Whoa. Well, do we do it? Yes. Ooh, cocktail glass. Nice. Ooh. Oh. Whoa. Well, do we do it? Yes.

Yes. Folks, sit tight. We'll be right back after this. Hee hee. Now we're back with the French martini. Not a great yield off my recipe. I got a pretty good one here. Manageable.

Very manageable. Not bad. Yours is purpler than mine. Yours looks nicer. Mike's looks like the IBA, the color. It's purple. Mine is like yellow. The Chambord really didn't do the trick.

Yeah, I didn't have Chambord. I used creme de cassis. Ooh, that's even darker. Mike, technically that's black currant liqueur. I know, but when it comes down to black currants and raspberries, I tend to think they're the same exact thing. Okay.

That's what he tends to think. Oh, God. All the botanists out there are gonna kill me we use raspberry syrup in something and i have that in the fridge but uh i use chambord and it just doesn't it the the purple didn't really purple it up well this smells delish by the way yes it does Let's do some sips, huh? Bombs away. Oh, yeah. Tim, you made the same face that I did.

What face you making, guys? I'm giving pause, Mike. I guess I'm pleasantly surprised at how stiff it is. It's on the drier, stiffer side, which is fun, especially for the Dark Ages era of cocktails. I guess it's sort of curious why pineapple, because I have to think. I kind of think to taste the Chambord, so it's not hitting me over the head with raspberry, but it's pleasantly stiff. I don't know.

I guess I just don't know about this pineapple. I don't know if they're working together. Yeah. Right. I feel like Chambord and vodka. Ooh, we have good vodka. Jeff, talk about the vodka. Oh, yeah.

We're using Silvergrin vodka because they gave us some. Look at that. Oh, yes. It's delicious. Look at that label. It's beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful.

I like. And I stole a little nip on the way down. It's a delicious vodka. It's got a clean kind of vodka taste to it, but then it's also on the back has this earthiness that almost gave me like, I don't know, a cachaça or a lampinog, kind of a thing. Oh, my God. It says here triple origin, meaning distilled from potato, corn, and winter wheat. I didn't know you could do that.

I'm tasting the potato. And me, the corn. And me, the wheat. And Mike, the winter wheat. The winter wheat himself. Wheat shows one ingredient, we each get to taste. This is interesting. My initial reaction was, ooh, good, because I was tasting that creme de cassis that I love so much.

Yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad, but I wanted it to be more, I was looking at it, I was like, ooh, this is going to be a Cosmo style thing, which I do like. We've said this before. What was it? Where we're like, the whole is equal to the sum of its parts. There's no emerging

greatness here. It's just three things in one cup. That's kind of true. I can taste the three different things when I think about it. I mean, I guess what the juice is there to do is like, there's something nice about juices just clouding up your drink and you shake it up and it froths a little bit. But I don't know that I need pineapple in my French martini.

Pineapple isn't French. Now, what would it just be if it was creme de cassis and vodka? Is that a drink we've done before? We've done a lot of the berry stuff with gins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. It's making me want to bramble to be honest. Yeah, it is. The pineapple is kind of funky in there, isn't it?

Not bad. Maybe if it was OJ, not to make it flabby, but if it was OJ instead, maybe it would just add dilute a little bit, give it a little juiciness, but without the taste. Because I just want to taste the Chambord. I want to taste that Robitussin-y cough syrup taste of Chambord. Perhaps lime would fit in well with this party.

This may be, this is flabby. I'm going to say it. This is flabby. We should have acid adjusted our pineapple. Adjust the acid. You know what this reminds me of? You know when we learned the term flabby from... Jack Shram.

Excuse me. Wrong pipe. Yes, bartending great Jack Shram. And Solid Wiggles, check them out. He also gave us this idea when he does at a party let's say say he's bartending a party he'll take the fruit the lemon or lime or orange wedge what he's like running around the rim of the glass and he'll get it on that stem of the glass too so people are touching it they're touching their selves they're touching their friends now all of a sudden the good smells are all over the party oh the oils are inescapable. Mm-hmm.

They stick to you. They're sort of glittering in the air. Oh. Hmm. Oh. A question for you guys. We've looked at the IBA a number of times, especially as we're coming to its close. Mm-hmm.

Y'all remember seeing this? This feels like a Mandela effect drink to me. I feel like the sands are shifting underfoot over at the IBA. They make swaps, Jay. Google it and you'll see that every year they'll be like, well, they took the screwdriver off and they put the French martini on. Is that just to keep us on the hook? We're the only people talking about them.

They're making all this podcast money. I know before I said I hadn't heard, because if we talk about the IPA list, that's obviously you've heard of that. I feel like I've seen it before on this list, Jeff. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, this might be a Mandela effect for you. Do you guys remember in the ithaca commons

let's let's say you're standing right at the very entrance that you just pulled into ithaca and you're looking at the commons the first bar on your left is it is that simians or with uh but there was kind of a big somewhat fancy bar on the left on your left side oh yeah was kind of a big, somewhat fancy bar on the left, on your left side. Oh, yeah. Kind of newish. You're coming down the hill into the commons? You're coming down like you're coming. Down Danby?

No, not down Danby. You're coming into the college town from, oh, no, you guys probably entered from a different direction. I'm talking about where I'm coming from. So, okay, let's say you're going down Danby from Ithaca College. You get to the bottom, but it'll be, so it would be the very first bar that you would see on your left side. that you would see on your left side. It was kind of on a corner, which maybe I want to call it the... I don't know.

Same side as Sammy's Pizza? Yes, yes. Same side as Sammy's. And it was a nice bar. I don't remember if that was called Simeon's, but it was like a nice new bar. It kind of had a ramp going up the whole thing. Remember that?

Well, that was... I remember I met up with our friend Stacy for a drink there one time. And I'm sure I'll just only had a beer because that's all I would have ever ordered when I was in college. But she got like an Appletini or a Cosmo or something like that. And I remember just thinking like, wow, man, our friend Stacy is a grown up, man. That's some Carrie Bradshaw shit. But it is. Isn't there this funny disconnect when you know the lore of that show?

And now we're in the, and just like that era, you're like women our age, like that show is huge for them. And show like, that's where they learned about dating and love and relationships and careers and everything. But it doesn't line up with like it to me it feels like it would be for older people like we were watching jackass and girls were watching sex in the city it feels like different generations but it was what the girls our age were watching it's so strange yeah yeah it's funny like we were such a funny disconnect and we were drinking beers just like the jackass guys and butt-chugging them

johnny knoxville talked about how miller highlife sponsored the uh oh yeah jackass movie and he was like it's great because we can finally show it he's like because we're on mtv we were always drunk when someone was doing a dicier thing but but we couldn't show it. And like, now you have the context that like, yeah, when, when, when, uh,

Ryan Dunn is putting a matchbox car up as a body drop. Yeah. Yeah. That is, imagine if they, like, it was always such a big thing. Like,

you know, these are stunts. Don't try these at home. If it was revealed that it was like, and they're, and they're drunk too, kids. I know. The doctor that talks to Ryan about the little car up his butt, don't try these at home if it was revealed that it was like and they're drunk too kids i know

the doctor that talks to ryan about the little car up his butt when he's like he's like doctor what should i do he's like don't tell anyone you know and i know that's already too many like he's helping him he's thinking about like crowd control and it's like this is going on mtv or not going to movie theaters that's already already too many. That's good. Speaking of getting drunk, I'm getting a little hot in the face off this. It's happening over there? Yeah. It's happening. Ooh.

Oh, Rosie. That's nice. Hmm. Jeff, if I could put your hat on for a second, what would you do different? Me? Yes, yes. Both of you. You flipped the script on me.

And myself too. I'm going to have to answer. This is one of the few things, I don't know if you can see this, but my pineapple juice has just turned into schmutz on the top of the glass. I don't... Oh.

Nasty. It's not all cooperating, McNally. Now, do you think Keith McNally is the brother of Rand McNally, the map guy? No, I looked it up. McNally, I've heard that before. I was hoping he was map royalty. No, he's drink royalty.

Well, this... I'm changing something. Is the first time this has happened in a while on this show done. Wow. I'm in need of an R2. Would you change anything, Mike? Yes, but I don't

know what. I don't know what. I don't know what. I don't know what, Potter. Mr. Potter. I'm going to 86 the pineapple, just like how McNally 86ed Corden. I'm just going 86 the pineapple, just like how McNally 86 Cordon.

I'm just going to have Chambord and vodka. Wow, what an idea. Now, I could put in lime or lemon, but I would want to cut it in half or something because I don't want this to be sour. Here's what I want to do. Remember last week I mentioned that I got some of that olive dirty martini mix? Yes. I might do that instead. I might do a martini instead of making a second round

of this. This is a card you play quite often. What? Listen to me. More and more often. Listen to me closely now. Listen to me now more than you ever have before in your life, Jeff. Okay. Okay. Okay.

I need you now. I need you now. If you've ever listened to me, Jeff, listen twice as hard right now. I'm chalking this. I know that's not a cool move on the pot or it's whatever on the pot. You can do what you want. Because I'm trying a new thing, I think that's okay. What do you mean? And I just don't want one.

I don't want another one. Oh, yeah, okay. Because I'm trying a new element of my martini making. Sure. Oh, like a tool. Like a tool. You're a tool. Yeah, the new dirty martini mix. That's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Great, great, great. I'm getting by. I have some acid-adjusted OJ in there. That might be fun to play with, but OJ raspberry? I don't know. Tim, you tweaking? Yeah, I'm just

Chambord and vodka. All right. Right, right, right, right. All right. I'll have to figure something out. Folks, we'll see you right back here after these messages.

And we're back with round two, French Martini. I did a little bit more Chambord. And I did what they tell you not to do, which is just throw a little citric acid in there willy nilly. Ah, yes. Just throw it in. Just a little dash out the bag. Give it a whirl.

Didn't really measure it. I'd call it maybe half a sugar cube. Tweaks? Timmy? Me? I went just the 15 milliliters of sham board with the 45 vodka and vodka and you know raspberry flavored vodka not a not a full cocktail missing something i so in retrospect you know i would i would do seven and a half milliliters of lime and see if i could turn this into something so you have absolute razz what did you do jeff i told you what i did but i'm gonna sit hold on

What did you do Jeff? I told you what I did but I'm going to sit It's a little bit more like a Sour Patch Kid I don't know It's like a I'm still getting pineapple juice But it's like sour That's not what you want I don't know man

And I'm trying this I made my gin martini With Empress Gin It's beautiful look at it In honor of our Taylor Swift blowout I'm trying this. I made my gin martini with Empress Gin. It's beautiful. Look at it. In honor of our Taylor Swift blowout. Yeah.

Here we go. It doesn't even look gross. No, it's just that Empress Gin is like purpley. Yeah, it's purpley, but I thought it would be like violet with a weird green olive in it. It looks nice, though. Oh, that's good. Nice. Mike. Nice. Mike? Yeah? I'll hand it to you. I think you did the right move.

I think so, too. It's still in the martini world. I don't know if this drink is fixable for me as I transition into my... And Mike's looks better. The purple from the Emperor's Gin looks better than the purple from the Chambord, huh? Yes. Yeah.

I got a fly in my house. Jesus Christ. I don't know if this drink is fixable, dudes. It's mixable. If it's mixable, it's fixable. Hey, no, you're right. That should be the philosophy of the pod. Keep it positive. You know,

this drink's a letdown because I was excited for it. I like all the parts, but they didn't combine in harmony. So for me, it's a not order again. Okay. Nor dare pa again. Nor dare pa. I didn't love this drink, but I see the potential.

To me, it's an order again. You didn't. You bailed. You didn't order it again. You have hard evidence and proof that you don't order it again. You know, I didn't order it with tweaks that second round is tweaks round should you forego the tweaks you can make any drink you like okay whatever man but if you but if you were at a bar and somebody was like i'm gonna make it good you'd have two conceivably you know this is interesting jeff When we say order again, I always think of it,

will I order it next time I'm out at a bar, or sometime out at a bar, not like again from today. Again in my life. Yeah, I think that's what I always think with order again. Not that I have one and then I'm ordering one more right then. We should have nailed that down a long time ago. No, no, I think it's great that it's whatever you want. Do whatever you want.

I've got to say, I just don't see a reason to order again. I think I would rather just have like a Chambord on the rocks or a Bramble. Oh, God. A Bramble would be so good right now, Tim. This is a waste of Chambord. It's not a bad drink, but it's also just, I don't see the purpose of ordering it again. So no. Sorry, Differed.

You lose. Even Dale DeGroff has a few whiffs in him. Yep. Sorry, Dale. If you're listening, we love you and we salute you, sir. We salute. We salute you. We salute you, sir. We salute. We salute you. We salute you.

I have one beef with Dale DeGroff. He's like this old martini guy. He used to work at the Rainbow Room and stuff. He's really charismatic and funny when he talks. But one thing he said that rubbed me the wrong way was he likes to stir his martinis. he said that rubbing the wrong way was he likes uh to stir his martinis you know like how fancy guys don't want to bruise the gin and they want to keep the uh the vermouth intact and all that um he was like talking about a shaken martini he's like it gets all cloudy and it looks like dishwater and uh in some interview it gets all shaken martinis cloudy it looks like if you shake a martini it's cloudy it looks like dishwasher and i was like a it's not dishwasher dude it's a martini b cascade dude i love that cloud when i shake

when i'm at home and i shake up a martini i love pouring it and not being able to see through it and when i'm out at a fancy martini bar that stirs it i'm like okay fine what do you like more the cloud in a martini or or the cloud that stores your data? I got to say the cloud that stores data because if it weren't for that cloud, there would have been no fappening. And that was some of the best faps in my life. That was a big part of your shirt. My heart goes out to all the people that were fappened, but I'm not going to act like I didn't enjoy it. Jesus.

Jesus Christ. Roll us out of here, Jeffy. Well, um, uh, I was not, I was going to say bleep that,

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