The Sloppy Boys - 189. Black and Tan

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

The guys carefully pour a classic two-tone pint! Contemporarily made with Guinness and Bass (or Harp), the term "Black and Tan" was first recorded in 1889-- but the practice of mixing beers goes back to the 17th century.RECIPE: 8oz/240ml GUINNESS (OR STOUT)8oz/240ml BASS (OR PALE ALE) Add the pale ale into a pint glass, filling it halfway. Very slowly, pour the stout over the back of a spoon to fill the glass, floating it on top of the ale for a layered effect. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey folks, welcome to the Sloppy Boys where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love. I'm Jeff Dutton along with Mike Hanford. I'm yawning over here. And Tim Kalpakis. What are you, what's up? And we're your hosts the sloppy boys coming at you audio only episode 189 oh we're not even recording a picture for this at all this is an optimized audio experience mike nice nice so cool though the feeder of the mind for the podcast listener

the loyal podcast because if we because if we have clips that we like we'll just put it to a still picture of us that's it that's it when do we ever have clips that we like when has that ever happened never last week had no good clips last week was a fucking done it was a fucking waste of time i scoured the episode listening for clips found nothing uh tim is back if you're listening folks and you missed last week's tim is in his uh parents house and he's on are you on a better microphone too uh no i'm still on the same airpods um okay does it do i sound great i listened back to the gangster episode the last one we did and it was so funny hearing you talk to the look it sounds like you were calling guests the entire

episode me too i was listening i was like it weirdly gave me it felt like it gave me a little bit of status like you guys are just the host of the show but then there's this important guy that right right calling in and like like you're interviewing me yeah that's good i saw jeff and i had the status and you had a shitty phone landline so we had the nice house like i'm a caller like i'm a fan there's i know i took it as like i was a remote correspondent or tell me i took it as that i'm a globetrotter i couldn't i couldn't be in the studio i'm out and about it is funny to hear three hosts kind of all talking but one guy always just kind of like yeah like a little too late on stuff tim you are holding it down though look at you you got it you got more of a commanding presence this week he's holding court now in his own bedroom I'm kind of I'm sitting back and I'm

and I'm kind of just uh you know I'm kind of telling the world here I am take me as I am you look like an emperor it's just because I rested my elbow on a pillow and I look like an emperor. It's just because I rested my elbow on a pillow. I look like an emperor. You look like you demand satisfaction. Are you in a, like a bed or a trundle bed? You look like you might, you could be on something that's up against the wall and there's a lot of

pillows. It's I'm sitting on like a overstuffed lazy boy that has fish on it. And it's his cabin. It's just a big chair, but it's got a whole bunch of flannel blankets has fish on it and it's his cabin um it's just a big chair but it's got a whole bunch of flannel blankets piled on it i decided to rest my elbow kind of higher than i normally rest my elbow okay okay oversized lazy boy yeah but what are you sitting on okay okay i you ever have one of those i waited to say it. Tim had a lot more to say and then I was like...

I feel like I hold on to them until the end of the episode sometimes and then we're leaving and I'm like, can I say something? Can I just say something about oh, I don't want to say anything. Well, Jeff.

Yes. I had my fun with my little chit chat. Now, what do you want to do? What do I want to do? Wait, Mike, what was your whole thing about yawning? Jeff introduced you and you started the show in a low energy. I was yawning. I was yawning.

I was tired. It was like a low energy Jeb Bush. Energy Jeb Bush. But but I'm back now, baby. I'm high energy. I was tired. It was like a low energy Jeb Bush? Low energy Jeb Bush. But I'm back now, baby. I'm high energy. His brother, baby. Yeah, look at him go. He sort of has the podcast zoomies.

You know when you get into your podcast, you're just like, oh my God, how are you guys doing? Oh my God, I have so much stuff to tell you. Oh my God, let's get us a drink. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah. Sometimes it's a little manic and we're yappy. And then other times we are fucking chilled out holding it down just lamping i like when we're locked in

yeah we gotta be locked in either way that never does i think of you guys on stage you guys are the rhythm section i sort of think of it in on the pod as well you gotta be in the pocket as long as we have things locked down we can go any which way. Lockdown? COVID had a lockdown. It was unprecedented. 2020 steez, huh, Jeff? Damn. Yeah, Mike. He's disappointed in you. Can I ask you a question?

Please. Yeah, sure. Somebody's got to fucking talk. The callers often have questions. First time, long time um i wanted to ask you guys if you ever got around to watching the conan o'brien episode of hot ones no oh that's a great question no i did not i am one of those guys with hot ones that's like miss me with that well the emmys aren't gonna miss them with that did you hear this? I heard oh no I didn't hear this they're up for Emmys? yeah I guess so

they can be in the late night or the interview show best wing? best chicken limb we found the best wing on this week's blowout did we oh yes i gotta subscribe to that show we watched the great chicken wing hunt yeah tim you got a sub dude i got a sub i got a dom no back to what i was trying to say yes um yeah so i i didn't um i love hot ones i i'm never watching when they're new i'm always catching catching up, but I very much always say,

God damn, that wasn't good. Half hour of my life or whatever. He's very good. With the Conan one, it came out a month ago, and I didn't watch right when it was new, but I very much enjoyed on Twitter, X, that Conan really, uh, warmed people's hearts. And there was this, there was a week long resurgence of Conan O'Brien love. And we were kind of, people were sharing their favorite old clips late night and their old favorite like remote pieces. And I love when that happens. It was like, you know, that like when, when Sandler did, uh, uh, his standup special,

it was like a hundred percent fresh and it was like sandman back and we all kind of got back into him again not that we ever didn't like him but you know there's like a resurgence i felt that on twitter that uh as you know that conan it was like oh he's having a moment and as a longtime conan fan it made me happy to see all these old clips but i didn't watch the hot ones till the other night and he said a very poignant thing that i mike just reminded me when he went from being yawning to being high energy um conan said that the worst thing a guest could do on a talk show is to say that that it's going poorly and he was like me as a host i have letters i can pull i can act interested i can make a joke i can do

things i can handle the show but if my there have been a couple times uh back in the talk show days where the guest turned to the audience and said this isn't going very well and he was like that's the only surefire way to kill things because you just told the audience that they're at a bad one they wanted the good one and you just told them they're having a bad time. On Hot Ones, Conan goes, he's like, that's not show business. Show business is, folks, this is the best show ever. You're here on a special night. You're getting the show of your

life. And that lie, doing that is show business and convincing people and then being honest and saying, this is a bad one. That's just simple interesting that echoes with what springsteen once said now you remember what it was the magic trick yes the magic trick where he's just like my job are you thinking a magic stick the uh the 50 cent song the magic'm that's not springsteen it's the magic stick it's candy shop jeff let me tell you about the magic stick yeah yeah magic stick are the same

song or are they remixes with the same they're the same song he just says i think magic stick verse two or something but he's just like i'll take you to the magic stick but wait no but uh springsteen says like, yeah, I'm a songwriter and the, yeah, I'm in the studio and stuff. But my, my big thing I do is I bring people the most like magical night on earth. And it's just pulling off this thing where it feels like a special, unique gem of a night. I do it every night, but the people who come to see me have to think that this is like a one in a million yeah yeah that's he's like that that illusion is part of the fun for him is to

make you make these people feel like they had a unique experience uh he's the fucking magician man that's why they should call him the magician not the boss it's kind of a step down he's the he should call him the magic stick the magic stink uh i that's what remember we saw him and his e street band perform a couple months ago how could i forget my we saw the uh the teleprompter and i was like i don't think that's there for him because he's getting older i think it's because to lock in that the show's gonna be good oh yeah it looked like he was looking at it but i could see him being like oh he's not always looking at it but it's there yeah yeah these like songs are so wordy you might say oh what is that fifth verse in jungle land and it was sneaky too right like were they um

i noticed that the monitors the wedges for the performers were in the stage yeah so you couldn't even see him it was like oh they're just running around free out there um but was that also where the ipad was or did they have like a prompter way out in the distance like they do for old joe biden it was at the end of the uh uh little runway area i was gonna say end of the arena but end of the walkway was it elevated or was it flat was it inside the stage it it had a tilt to it probably if uh I'm going to say a 50 degree tilt. I did see him squint and pull out his cheaters at one point and squint way in the back. We're coming out of here to win.

Win. To, to, oh. Win. well you want to get into some booze news yeah well let me shut my door unless you want to hear a fucking leaf blower the whole time i don't mind that as an arborist let me share an anecdote mike here's something cool some showbiz shit you did i love We were playing a show one time recently and you forgot how to you were supposed to start a verse and you forgot how to start the verse and you're kind of blanking on lyrics

and then you remembered it, but instead of just going into it you walked over to me and you said in my ear act like you're telling me the lyrics and then I acted like I was telling you the lyrics and you went, ah, yes. And I thought it was a nice move because it was like that gave people the like, oh Tim had to remind Mike the lyrics. And he went, ah, yes. And I thought it was a nice move because it was like, that gave people the like, oh, Tim had to remind Mike the lyrics. Little did they know Mike was the memory man.

I had the memory. Well, I wasn't the astounding memory man that day, but I remembered it before I let on. Thank you, Tim. That was a good little behind the scenes. That's good showmanship, Mike. You fooled me. Yeah, I know.

That's a good sleight of hand. You even fooled the other half of the rhythm section. I fooled myself. You guys are on the same page. You guys are in the pocket, usually. I fooled myself because I told Tim I knew it, and then I went to the microphone and said the wrong lyrics.

Alright, is it time for business, please? Can we please play the listener-submitted theme? Yes! Bip, bip, bip, bip, bip, bip, hit it hit it lots of times my drink's too weak as i'm getting down i'll say can i get a shot of whatever the the liquor is that's in here yeah and they kind of like it can i get a shot of vodka goose it up as you go

i've shot a rum whatever brand it was in this drink goose it up as you go. I know you've shot a rum, whatever brand it was in this drink. Goose it up as you go. Goose in the back up. Goose it up as you go. Your brunch is on us, man. Goose it up as you go was sent to us by Paul Burgess. And if you have a booze news theme, email it to the sloppy boys podcast at do you know dot com. Goose it up as you go.mail.com what a great misdirect here I saw the file name goose it up

parentheses as you go and I swore it was going to be a parody of give it up for your boys ah goose it up as you go that was good you know it's funny like anytime someone does that sort of like that sort of soft r&b uh sort of background sound and like has voiceover that's just like

some dumb or inane thing you see like in a it could be a burger king commercial it's like oh yeah with two flame grilled patties yeah right the smooth roads or whatever that's a lame version of it but like yes it is i i love hearing it and when it's funny and that was funny to me great job submitter um hey speaking of uh drinks and me drinking um did we talk about on pa i know that we've talked about but did we talk on pod about how i only recently learned the term tall for, for a drink. Yes. We must've discussed on pod.

Well, no, well, I don't know if we have, I used to order, I used to say, can I have a vodka soda, but in a pint glass with a lot of soda,

or I'd say, could I have a whiskey soda, but within a pint glass, a lot of soda. So then cam from a dear Blanca taught me just to say tall. Now I've been saying I put it to the test everywhere. This week, everywhere I went, I had a whiskey soda tall and not one waiter, waitress.

Nobody looked at me funny. Everybody on earth knows this term. It's wild. I'm going to start getting rum and Coke talls. I do like a good Coca-Cola taste. I'm tasting it right now. Just sense memory.

I love it. Just saying it. Coca-Cola. Now that I say it, I'm tasting it. Mike doesn't like Coke Zero, doesn't like Mexican Coke. Specifically likes Coke with fructose corn syrup.

He loves corn syrup. I need to give Coke Zero a shot. I haven't really given that a shot. But I don't like Diet Coke. Coke Zero is interesting because it tastes like Coke on first blush and then nothing. Oh, really? Just like the taste goes away. It disappears.

It'll be chasing the taste with the next sip. taste goes away it disappears it'll be chasing the taste with the next sip but now didn't we didn't we all find out that uh uh diet coke and maybe maybe not coke zero but diet coke will give you cancer like a hundred percent like that a hundred percent guaranteed cancer a long enough timeline i uh okay well let me give zero a try but i But I don't like it if it's going to give me cancer. I'd rather have the other complications from high fructose. Coca-Cola. Jeff, you said Chasing the Taste. I think that Chasing the Taste could be a name of the podcast. Chasing the Taste.

It's sort of like Chasing the Taste. Chasing the Taste. Like Talk of the Town? You're welcome. Hey, well, you listen to Chasing the Taste with the Sloppy Boys. Chase the Taste. Chase the Taste. Get into it with the Sloppy Boys show. There was Talk of the Town

and then there was another one. Talk of the Town. Talk of the Town. That was the Booze News theme, right? The original Booze News theme that I made that we didn't like. Was that Talk of the Town? Talk of the Town. Well, then we started to outsource it,

or crowdsource elements of the show, which was a smart move. But there was another one. There was one the very next week I did. Yeah, I forget what that was. I fucked my life! That was like back in the first month or two of the pod, too.

Way back. Those were the days. So what's the actual booze news oh wait oh fuck i forgot to do the gonster shot i i have stuff for a gonster shot oh yeah i thought that was part of the do a gonster shot i could not excuse me i could not find it i couldn't find the uh the monster nitro or whatever we needed i didn either, but I found like ultra something. You find it, Jeff? I found one that it's at least green. I had to search so it'll at least

do the thing. Well, should you go get it? Yeah, I'll go do it. But I don't want to miss if there's an actual booze news item. I don't want to miss a thing. Hurry, Jeff. Hurry, go. All right, all right, all right. Go now. Go. Go now. He's still not going.

If we can hear him talking, he's not going. Am I saying the booze news or no? I'm not saying the booze news. I'm waiting. You're not saying a thing. This is something that Meehan could cut out if he wants to, or if we come up with something great right here. Yeah, we'll just do that.

Let's come up with something great. Yeah, let's come up with something really nonstop. Nonsensical, too, even. Ooh-wee! Tim, are you going to watch Furiosa? Is that the new Mad Max? Yes, right. Yeah, I'll watch that.

I loved Fury Road, and I liked the old Mad Maxes. Fury Rosa. I haven't seen the old Mad Maxes. Do you recommend you start with the first one and then get into it? Yeah. I mean, they're not at all the pace or tone of Fury Road, but they're cool movies. I don't support the way that that

the main actor acted on the PCH on One Fateful Night. Who? Oh, right. Of Mad Max. I thought you meant of Furiosa. I thought the girl in Furiosa. I don't know who's in Furiosa. No, no, no. Of Mad Max. I thought you meant of Furiosa. I thought the girl in Furiosa. I don't know who's in Furiosa. No, no, no.

Mel Gibson. Yes, yes. No, yes. Well, I don't condone that. None of us do. We don't like that shit. I did. I actually have seen a little bit of one of those Mad Max movies.

And like, I could tell a guy was wearing a hockey mask, you know, in like the 90s. You could see that sometimes hockey masks or just helmets we're always kind of like spray painted uh spray paint silver and give it to Screech it'll be part of his uh Screech Robocop uniform yeah all right I'm back wrap up wrap up the hockey talk please all right all right it was more Screech talk it kind of did you know it was a hockey mask. I have with me Monster Ultra Paradise. That's a nice green can. I had to Google to make sure that it's green on the inside. That sucks you had to Google, Jeff.

I probably used up so much RAM. Not to mention finger skin. Now your finger fingers holding up? So it's green on bottom, yes? Green on bottom, yes. Green on bottom, yes. Black on top. If you've got opposite colors, they have been flip-flopped. Yes, Jeff!

Green on top, bottom. Yes, yes, yes! Oh, this sucks. Hey, why? It's not as green as's not as green as the pick that is green you sound like a disappointed uh miss piggy when she met kermit when she met him okay here it is it didn't work i think i think there's just not enough there's just not enough space in a shot glass, I think, to do the trick.

All right. I'm going to shoot it, though. Here we go. All right. So shoot it up. Ugh. Vile. That's just gross.

But do we, as a podcast, is this box unchecked? Or did we succeed? I think, Jeff, if you really want to, you go into your other room, get a pint glass and just pour it. Maybe at the break. We can't give this any more time. We can't spend too much time on this. The gangster, the Guinness monster beverage is tearing down this whole podcast. It's a fucking time suck.

It's ruling and ruining our lives. It's ruling and ruining our lives. Although when we get to the drink of the day, it's nice to know that the gangster did inspire that and get us juiced up for something that's actually going to be interesting for once. That's true. When we get to it. Yeah, I know.

I know. I'm just making sure I've got the right recipe because yours truly is introducing. Wow. Yeah. But first the latest in all things, booze. Booze news was just real quick chill

booze news I just wanted to check in and say we we when your post memorial day weekend that's midtown memorial day memorial day

that's the unofficial beginning of summer Midtown Memorial Day. Memorial Day. That's the unofficial beginning of summer. And maybe sticklers who go by the stars in the calendar are going to wait until mid-June. But I would say we're getting into summertime and we're starting to track the drink of the summer. Yeah, don't wait. What are you waiting for? You want more summer, don't you?

Don't wait. Dial eight. I don't remember that what that was for, but it was a commercial. So I just did a perusal today. I just did a Google up and down and left and right. And I started to see what words are, there's a lot of different articles about drink of the summer and there's a lot of different message boards about it. And I wasn't writing down everything. I was like, Tim, let it all wash over you. And if words come up multiple times, then you'll notice a trend. You know what I'm saying?

You don't read an article and say, oh, the Drink of the Summer is this very specific thing you never heard of. But there's one thing that did catch my eye what was predictable is a lot of people brought up the batonga which we covered on the show and that that was even even though it was a strange way that it came to be a trend this year it did end up in fact being a trend so we're watching that um what then there's predictable stuff like uh spritzes they're not just aperol different spritzes yeah yeah that's been going on and uh low abv drinks yeah yeah interesting wines like orange wines and skin contact but but here was damn we've been we've been covering all this shit this this fucking show is on it that's good we're knowledgeable and we're on the beat

much like when we're on stage, we all play to the beat. I have to tap tap. Okay. So I saw this drink mentioned in an article that then kind of got, you know, when you see the exact same article and it's like, it's on AOL news, but it's also on some other news source. And you're like, I guess this is like Reuters, like put this over the wire or something. Yeah. Associated Press or Reuters. Yes. put this over the wire or something.

Yeah. Associated press or Reuters. Yes. Um, and then in addition to it, it also sounded familiar to me like, Oh right. I have been hearing about this in my scrolls. Uh,

your doom. Have you guys, have you heard of the porn star Martini? Yeah, that's come up. Oh, well, it's come up,

but I don't really know what it's all about. I can't, I know it's come up, but I can't remember why, well it's come up but i don't really know what it's all about i can't i know it's come up but i can't remember why but it's um was it during like i feel like maybe i saw that during a thing i introduced recently like a newer cock maybe the i think it was when we were when we defeated the iba and we were talking about all the new weird different shit we're gonna get into i feel like this is one that came up okay so Tim you think this is gonna be big well what what struck me about this with just making a pod relevant is it makes me want to I'm gonna track it I'm gonna I might even do a google alert for it but here's what's happening is that it's a drink from 2002 invented in London but then you know popular in America it's from 2002 and it's a drink from 2002 invented in london but then you know popular in america it's from 2002 and it's in a martini glass but it's um uh vanilla vodka you know that vanilla

absolute we had oh oh yeah i have that yes still got it still got it what did we buy that for something mudslide mudslide it was before that it was like something from the iba still i think well um vanilla vodka passion fruit liqueur passion fruit juice and lime but it's in a martini glass and it's it's the thing is it's one of these like non-martinis that's called a martini and it's in a martini glass and it's from 2002 this reminds i don't know if we ever landed on a word for for mainstream 2002 culture but we said indie sleaze was the indie variety but then mainstream is like it's just low hand ryan seacrest culture it's like von dutch the von dutch vibe yes the von dutch paris paris hilton uh all of that type of stuff this you know what maybe it even was when we were

talking about the Von Dutch show or something because this uh the sleazy name porn porn star martini and the look of this thing fits very much into early 2000s y2k nostalgia so I think that in addition separately passion fruit juices and stuff are having a little bit of a resurgence. So I, I, it doesn't sound particularly like everybody's going to be chugging these all summer because it's got vanilla.

But, but I could see why, why this was, is kind of based on something is because, because of the current nostalgia loop we're in, I could imagine people ordering this because they want to be like nikki and and paris it does sound like 2000s trashy doesn't it like pomegranate vanilla vodka and lime yeah just just the thing it being called porn star like early

2000s porn star was such a just like a thing and like embracing it party like a rock star drink rock star energy drink i feel like porn star it's like just a sunset strip type of talk damn well that's exciting i i uh i say we do that drink soon if we think it's going to be climbing the charts i mean if it's gonna if it's a summer contender but i i uh i had a beer the other day it was kind of like a a lagerish beer you know the sun was setting i was at a bar i said this is great was kind of like a lagerish beer. You know, the sun was setting. I was at a bar. I said, this is great.

This is going to be a good summer. You know what I mean? You know, this time of year when you just feel like, huh? What beer? It was like the Pilsner that was on draft at this place. I think it was called Dale's. No, it was just like a bar. It wasn't Dale.

No, it wasn't Dale's. The place was called dales or something anyway uh they really stopped my uh my story it was great feeling though i i'm with you it's nice to have a lager at the beginning of summer and say this is gonna be a great it's a nice feeling to have it's good you said it was sunset? It was like you had like, you were watching the sunset or something? The sun was starting to go down, yeah. Oh, that's nice. It's nice. If you can snag yourself a sundown

beer. In your neighborhood too? Yeah. Tim, we got to hit up High Tops for that. That's got a good sunset patio. I still, I've walked past, but I've never popped in. It's great, and they have a great chicken sandwich.

That'll be good for me. That'll be very good for me. Well, that's it for Booze News. Wrap it up. Oh, now I assume you two would like to talk about the drink of the day. Yeah.

Yeah. I kind of think of it. I would. Now we all love that song. Black and yellow, right? Black and yellow, black and yellow.

We love black and yellow, black and yellow. We love the, we love jokes that are what's, uh, you know, black and blue and red all over. We love color stuff.

We love, uh, what else do we love? That's called, we love the red, white black and blue and red all over. We love color stuff. We love... What else do we love that's color? We love the red, white, and blue. We love our country's colors. Now, today, we're talking about a drink that's named after two colors. Oh, perfect. Today, we're talking about

the black and tan. Oh, shit. As I was just making up that little intro there on the spot i can see i can see jeff sort of looking at me strange i said oh i hope this is i got the right drink for the week today folks we were talking about the black and tan is a very simple drink i'm just going to tell you how to make it first this drink drink is so simple, an ape could do it, they say. You're going to need eight ounces of pale ale, such

as bass. You're going to need eight ounces of a stout beer, such as Guinness. Add the pale ale into a pint glass, filling it halfway. Slowly pour the stout over the back of a spoon to fill the glass, floating it on top of the ale for a layered effect. We got that

from liquor.com. Very simple. I always mistake this with the dark and stormy. Right. Because it's a blank and blank. Yeah. And it's like, you know, dark, the black and the stormy could be the tan. I don't know. The stormy could be the tan.

But through me, liquor.com says bass and i think other people have corroborated that but i always thought it was harp lager i always thought it was a guinness and a harp yeah right because because those are is harp part of guinness or do i just think it is because there's a harp on a guinness i think so i think that a harp is owned by Guinness or it's their. I harp on Guinness all the time. I'm talking about it. Talking about it. But then have you had Yingling?

Yingling has black and tan that's all mixed up in one bottle. Black and tan. Yeah, but it's all mixed up, right? You're not getting that two tone. It's one tone. One tone. Now, where this comes from, the term black and tan, I sort of did the research backwards, but to do it sort of forwards. In England, dating back to like the 17th century, they've been mixing beers and stuff.

So it's kind of one of those sort of obtuse, like no one knows when this started. But the reason sometimes people would do it to mix, say like a stout beer costs a certain amount of money and a lager costs a different amount of money. They would kind of mix them in the same barrel so they could have the taxes be less on the barrel. Interesting. used in Ireland because that term is that is called a half and a half because in Ireland the term black and tan is associated with the Royal Irish Constabulary Constabulary Reserve I guess that's where you become a constable these are the British soldiers during the Irish War of Independence who would like use guerrilla tactics and kill civilians and stuff so they called them black and tans because of their uniforms that That's right. So they don't,

they don't go around saying black and tan willy nilly over there. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't know, I don't know much of like the Irish, like, uh, independent war history.

I know nothing about it. You got to talk to Killian Murphy. Well, you knew that was good, Jeff, but in, in 20, 2006,

Ben and Jerry's released a St. Patrick's day, black and tan and Irish nationalists or a spokesman, Ireland didn't like that. Because, you know, that makes sense. And also Nike did the same thing with a pair of shoes. They did like a black and tan looking thing. And again for St. Patrick's Day and people got mad at it. And one more thing in Australia, a black and tan is called a Toohey's Recent,

which is Toohey's Old and Toohey's New. What? Toohey's Recent? Toohey's Recent, it's called. Yeah. Toohey's is the brand. T-O-O-H-E-Y-S. And then Old and New, but a Recent.

Oh, I guess Old and new and then recent that's weird there you go yeah that's funny mixing them together it's like never split the difference hey all right australia for the win of rise up lights rise up lights um interesting that we've got two guinness drinks that are have names that are offensive to Irish people. Because remember we, what we'd now call the, the Guinness bomb or the Irish slammer.

When we did it on this show, we, we use the old term, the Irish car bomb. A lot of people reach out and said, Hey, that's offensive. We looked up and said,

Oh yeah, we see that. So you got, we got to be careful with these Guinness two ingredient Guinness. No, that's three ingredients. But anytime you're splashing Guinness with something else, be sensitive to Northern Ireland. Well, that's, that's, uh, yeah, that's, uh, who knew?

Hey, I had a tough time if we can get into it. Cause you mentioned it's bass traditionally. Yeah. What did you get? Well, I heard, uh, I was thinking harp as well because I think that's what they do at Tam O'Shanter. What did you get? Well, I heard, uh, I was thinking harp as well, because I think that's what they do at Tamo Shanter. I think you're right. That's folks.

That's where you get a good one. But, um, I had a tough time finding either of those. You've had? Oh yeah. I've not, I've not had.

You've not had? I've heard. I've certainly seen. Oh, he's heard. Especially at Tamo. I'll do him a bunch, but man, I had a tough time finding either. And that continues to this moment. Didn't find, could not find. I couldn't find bass. I got switchback ale because I was trying to buy an ale.

And switchback is from Vermont. And I thought, hey, it's an ale. I was at a bar recently and a Switchback promoter was there and giving everybody Switchback, Switchback stickers for everybody. Switchback, Switchback. I said, give me those. Hey, I wish you'd switch back to a different beer company, dude.

What? I got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and a Guinness I had last time for the concert. You know what I do like is Bell's Two-Hearted Pale Ale. Is that what it is? Bell's? It's got the fish on it. I like the fish on that can.

It's the one with the fish. It's the one with the rainbow trout, I think. Fish. I could find every sort of micro brew, every sort of like indie artsy beer, and then all the old classics, but not the old, you know, I feel like Bass and Harp are those in-betweens where they're like old brands, but they're not the big conglomerate.

So you're just not going to find it at every gas station and liquor store and supermarket. Yeah. Like Bass was around, like, I remember like my dad would drink Bass when it was like before the beer boom of the two thousands, Bass was boom of the 2000s. Bass was one of the fancier choices around. And now you can't find it. They should put a bass on the bottle.

Put a fish on the bottle and then you get people excited like Mike was. Billy Big Mouth. Yeah, I'm going nuts for it. Remember bass shoes like the Dock Sider shoes? Yes. Oh, yeah. Bass Weegins. It was like an outlet mall thing, right?

That was definitely a thing when I was a kid being like, Bass? Because I'd know the beer. I'd then see the shoes and I'm like, hmm, they make the same thing? That can't be right. But I guess it is. Back at it again with the Bass. With the Dock Sider Bass Shoes. Yeah, G.H. Bass & Co. Yeah, I remember that. with the dock cider bass shoes yeah gh bass and co yeah i remember them oh my god i gotta get a pair of basses for this or

are you guys do you guys wear the dock cider shoes like without socks you know that look i do but i wear the the docks i wear the boat shoe with the lace and everything but the kind of bass we, those like, uh, there's, you know, like the leather slip on loafers, but they're not shoes. That's, that's a tough look,

man. When you're in man, when you're in Manhattan, you see some guys walking around sockless with leather loafer, not a boat shoe, but like a, like a dress shoe loafer, like a penny loafer,

that type of thing. Yes. And I'm, I it's, it's hard to pull off there's a lot of gen z kids walking around with like the white tube socks and the black loafers penny loafer style oh i like that look i'm too shy to try that but i do like it's like a kind of michael jackson kind of a foot look it's very michael jackson but you mean do you mean with no shoot no shorts right

no i guess like pants but like like the sort of croppedish shortish pants i just anytime i see someone wearing like what tim's talking about the the penny loafers with it with no socks on i'm just like man your fucking heels are getting all cut up i bet you're just getting chewed man i wouldn't do that if i were you man that's the most often like uh often um um non-pulled off look like like when i see that i i'm like i'm sure some man somewhere looked good like this but i've never encountered it in real life encountered it in real life we're like but he ain't here yeah like like a preppy waspy guy or something but he's he's wearing like dress shoes with no socks and he's walking around and he's wearing like he's got a bubble butt and he's got khaki shorts

and he's walking around with his friends and they're like yeah why do they all have bubble butts those like finance bros yeah they all have the same pink polo and they all have the same loafers but then they also have the same shaped body because they all go to equinox but was it you meet him in vegas or something we saw a group of guys that was just like every single one had like badonkadonks on these guys. Yeah, I do. I do remember that. One of you guys tried to walk through

and you bounced around like a pinball. Whoa! It was glute day for all of them at the gym and they were taking the cheeks out for a walk. Well, we shouldn't have seen them outside. Never skip glute day. Hey, we got to get to these drinks don't yeah hold on i i can't rock that look because i feel that i don't like to look uh country clubby does that make sense yeah yeah yeah like that that uh that boat shoe dock shoe type thing i feel like if you're on a boat or something

great but i'm always uh reluctant to look like I walked off a squash court or a putting green or. You know why Jeff is because your name is Jefferson and you do, you would naturally have like, like I could wear that stuff and I look Greek and I just naturally, like, you're not going to think I'm like a squash guy, but I feel like, so you, so I, I'm kind of naturally undercutting it. I feel like you are born and bred to be on a golf course because your Jefferson doesn't, you've got kind of a stately look to your face. Not anymore. I'm going to, now I'm a punker baby. Oh my God. Are you, don't get a face tattoo. Don't do anything crazy. You're a, you're a punker by choice, but if you were giving into your genes, you, you, you as a as a boathouse man yeah if if i just gave in i would go to the

hallowed halls of wealth at the uh country club right you let your guard down and you accidentally become a one percenter all right let's get these drinks are we gonna do them live on the air All right, let's get these drinks. Are we going to do them live on the air? Ooh, live pour? Yeah. I love the idea of that. But first, we're going to do a little word from our sponsor.

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Yeah. It could be your move, too. Oh, we're back, by the way, folks. Oh, yeah, we're back. Comptown style. This is... So it says do the pale ale first. I would have thought the... I would think the stout is heavier, but I guess not.

I know. It's darker, and so you feel like, oh, this is heavier, but I guess not. I know. It's darker. And so you feel like, oh, this is going to be a big, heavy black beer. I need to get my spoon. See, I use this Wexford cream ale. Have you ever seen this before?

I just grabbed it because it's Irish and it said ale. And I was trying to stick with the Irish. Okay, I am pouring my ale like a half a pint yeah half a pint yeah i'm gonna take a little sip of the pale ale here you go oh and the cream ale's good ah now am i going to be able to layer that's that's my very you know have you seen that they have special spoons for this that are bent so that it kind of lays flat over the ale?

Oh, that's good. It's sort of like a crash pad. If the Guinness was a stuntman, the spoon would be the crash pad. Don't go in too fast, Mikey boy. You're fucking it up. Oh, yeah, I'm fucking it up too. Crash bandicoot. Oh, no.

Oh, look at that. It's layering's layering i gotta let it settle here jeff do you think that that bartender at tam o'shanter is really scottish or do you think he's an actor doing an accent i swear i saw him at albertson's not doing an accent i heard that about this guy this i i had this theory on my own as well i i just it's la there's actors about and he feels like it strikes me as just a guy who's gets more tips by doing a scottish accent oh did this work i can't tell if it worked hold on i have like i have the tan on like the very bottom age i think to get it really like you really have to go slow with that. That's pretty good though. Especially with a bright light behind it.

This is what I'm seeing sort of in the, uh, picks to like the picks online, the picks. All right. Let me nap my little selfie for sure. The internet folks. You're not supposed to mix this up, right?

You're supposed to basically drink a stout and then drink an ale. Yeah, I didn't see anything about... When you tilt it, the line is going to shift too, and it's going to sort of softly mix, and you're going to softly drink both. I'm taking a sip. Sip time. Sips.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Delicious. There you yeah. Delicious. There you go. Hey, it's no Gonster, but it'll do, huh? I say, I submit it's better than the Gonster.

I second that motion. Second that submit. When I said that I'd never had, and I was gonna ask jay like uh what would be the motivation to have this drink because i was sort of thinking like okay so there's a stout and there's an ale i could drink those separate what's the thrill of having them top and bottom if they're going to alternate but i do as this this did mix as i

was sipping and um it's like sometimes you're not, sometimes Guinness is delicious. We all love it, but sometimes you're not fully in a Guinness mood. And this just sharpened it up a little bit with a nice little ale, you know? Yeah. That's why I always say we can learn something from those 16th century English people. Yeah. Yeah. You're always saying.

I always, I always recommend that. Finally, it makes sense. I'm always saying we can i always recommend that finally it makes sense i'm always saying we can't yeah we can't it's too late it's too late for us to learn anything from that music um i get this as a downshift from cocktails at tam o'shanter because i'm like i can't do another cocktail i'll do a beer well i might as well do a fun beer at the tam o'shanter do a black and tan uh guinness is good for that when you're just kind of it's not it doesn't really hit you too hard and you don't really chug guinnesses unless you're doing a uh shot or something and guinnesses are like they're like a superfood aren't they aren't they really good for you i don't know about good for

you let's see guinness healthy i know that that's a gu Guinness is only like 125 calories. People assumed it was bad, but it's not necessarily bad. It's let's say, yeah. Helps increase brain function and lower calorie. Restore relationships with family and friends. Wow. Okay. The more you drink.

The more you drink. The more you drink, the better you drink the more you drink the more you drink the better you feel but all the old ads are like guinness for strength and it'll show like a farm hand lifting up a horse like they're they're insane guinness is good for you all this stuff my goodness my goodness uh now are you guys are you guys getting uh do you have a summer beer picked out that you're gonna go for oh michael summer is weird this is not exciting since i've been over here in the northeast i've been having some like labats and and yinglings and stuff like that that's fun but you know what has been my summer beer it's the the goddamn silver bullet man damn Coors when we're in Vegas Mike I drank a

a Coors Light and I was like yeah that's nice and crisp and then I feel like I've been ordering them not out of like excitement but just I look down the beer menu and I'm like, what do I want? Ooh, Coors Light. Interesting. At a restaurant, a Coors Light.

World's your oyster, Coors Light. I'm just as shocked as you, but it's, you know, I was at some restaurant where I was eating some clams and stuff. And I was like, I don't know. I'm going to pound a Coors Light.

And it was perfect. And, uh, in my normal life, I'm more of a Coors original guy. The banquet beer, for Christ's sake. The yellow can. But you wanted something a little colder. You wanted something with a cold signifier on the can.

That's funny that you said Silver Bullet, because I was thinking Tap the Rockies. But it's both, right? Coors Light is the Silver Bullet with which you tap the Rockies. And tap the Rockies Coors Light. Yeah, yeah. Tap the Rockies Coors Light. Wasn't that one the commercial?

But maybe their branding worked on me with the whole thing about like, oh, the blue can, like the can gets so cold. Coors Light is the coldest filtered beer. Yeah, when the Rockies are cold, it's ready to drink. Yeah, that's good but but maybe when i was eating my clams i wanted something cold and and the the marketing worked on me yeah tim now just once will you order a normal food no way man never just guy to guy i was just talking about this in my family how much it's backfired like we were out at uh

we were at hatties in saratoga springs like a famous fried chicken restaurant that has the best fried chicken and i was like all of the chicken livers and then they were disgusting because no one orders the chicken livers so they were they were rotten and then i i did the same thing. We were in Lake George and we were at an Italian place and I ordered like scongeli. It was like conch or something like a cold conch dish. And no one orders that. Yeah.

So it was like, it was rotten because I was the only person this month that ordered it. I mean, the word congeal is in that. That sounds gross. It's congealing. It blows up in my face way too much now. Like becoming the gross food guy is not really a good life.

Now you tell yourself. It's too late now. Your gut flora must just be like the rainforest, though. You must have just like such a diverse bio uh such diverse biomes living in there there's a lot going on but you said that you get sick if you have too many different bites bites sure look if i picked weird and stuck with weird i'd be okay but you just can't go prancing all over the map oh it all counts as weird stick with one weird one strange drink and go with it down right down the middle i'm gonna have skingeli every day and then I'll be okay.

Scongeli. When you order stuff like that, especially as a kid where your parents are like, Tim, don't, you don't, you're not going to like that. Or are they just like, let's see what he does. I enjoy being a provocateur. I did it this week with something. And I forget like when the, when the waiter took my order, I was excited to say it because I knew that everyone was going to look at me funny and I got my wish. Man, when I order and the waiter says good choice, like that's

the best or something like we, we would just had this happen. The diner by you. I said, what I said, like, what's the, um, what's the protein breakfast wrap or whatever? It was like a meat lovers breakfast wrap with bacon, sausage, ham, hash browns, eggs. Yeah. It was like, it was like, I don't know why they didn't call it breakfast burrito. Maybe it didn't have enough like hot sauce in it or something. Yeah. But I asked him and he was like, that's my favorite. Like, that's what I get. And so I, you know, I was fist pumping just because when you guess what the, what the staff is getting, you got a good nose for this sort of thing. Yeah. You want the opposite. You want the staff diving for the clothes pins. I will ask these people sometimes like what,

between this and this, what do you like? And they'll pick one. And usually not all the time, but usually I'll switch to the other one just because I like wanted that one better. But I have to be like, I'm sorry. I'm not, I trust you just because I like wanted that one better. But I have to be like, I'm sorry. I'm not trusting, but I like the other one better. I've seen that go poorly. Yeah.

I feel like a lot lately, like historically it's like, yeah, ask the, ask the waitress what she likes. I think it's good to ask what's popular, but I feel like when I see people do this lately, like,

Hey, what do you like? The waitress was like, I don't really, uh, I don't really eat gross stuff. I'm gluten free. I have celiacs and I wouldn't be able to eat that. And it's, well, then you have to, you have to nod as they go through and they're like, well, I really love the eggplant and I really like the, uh, kale chips or whatever.

And you're like, all right, all right. We're not, we're not on the same page. I love the hot dog spaghetti, please. Oh, shoot. I lost it. I'm no good at that. Things pop into my head, but I still want to listen to the story, so I forget

everything I was going to say. You've got to do what i do blab go over 33 talk the whole show don't listen to nobody don't listen nobody never not my style i want to hear the people hear what they have to say the people tim and mike you're tim and jeff jeff jeff you're gonna do it to yourself now when you listen to the two of us talk you're like this is good i'm getting in touch with the public and finding out the voice of the nation it really does like you know when you when you guys say like rise and grind set or uh jeff when you were explaining uh edging to me the other day i was like yes, Hmm, yes, these sound like, uh, what younger people

are talking about. I'll bank those and use them in my everyday life. But Mike, you are chronically online. You're just in weird pockets. I'm mostly in the monkeys wearing outfits, pockets. Yes. I would love to see your FYP because Mike, your algorithm is different. You're scrolling the same apps as us all the time, but I feel like me and Jeff are seeing some similar stuff and then you're off, you're off in the deep end. I think that's so funny to, to like, if you're with somebody to switch phones and look at like your recommended or your, uh, deep pop orders or something like deep pop stuff, it's fun. It's funny to see that actually happen. Like the algorithm is real. It's fun. It's funny to see that actually happen. Like the algorithm is real. Uh, cause everybody gets kicked up the biggest, the biggest stuff, you know, the, the, the big video of the day,

everybody sees it. Um, but even when you just cruise on somebody's, uh, somebody else's Netflix and you're like, Oh, I didn't know that was on Netflix. Oh, I didn't know it was on Netflix. It's because like, it's bubbling up in their their algorithm you got to go do a deep dive for an old scorsese whereas your buddy's it's on his front page oh they have house of cards they have american beauty awesome it's like a totally different service now do you know this thing about how that there's different like different thumbnails for different people on netflix like oh yeah i think we figured out this with this out with Master of None, the Aziz show, that it's like, if you watch

historic cinephile films, it was giving you the black and white bicycle thief inspired thumbnail. And if you're a bozo who watches bozo stuff, it was giving you a yellow backdrop with just Aziz's face really big smiling and it's like the

same show but they know how to market to different people i was i was gonna say i'm surprised it's not like a werheim or you know what i mean like oh yeah um somebody had a mitch's face on netflix's love ha right i don't know like what they'd be watching maybe a ton of birthday boys or something remember he was out in a movie once and he had to shave his beard and i forget what the movie's called it was the one with um other people molly shannon what's it called other people other people i think so and mitch is in it and he had to shave his beard and uh i think for a time he was like the his face without the beard was the poster for his oh he must have loved that version of that on netflix yeah he ate it well what do you change up in the drink for round two

what can you change up i mean this is either like you like it you don't you or you want a pale ale or a guinness or something else this just drink it or shut up yeah i think the only thing i might go i might go more ale less guinness just be like if when i'm in the mood it's a it's a hot summer night here and i might want the lighter of the beers to be to dominate also i think it'll mix better you know my uh my guinness really crashed into my ale but yeah so you're thinking with more pale ale less guinness you'll have just just a little crown of Guinness up top. I'll try that on my second one.

There's also those alts, the black and blue. That's like a blue moon. And then, isn't there like a snake bite? Isn't a snake bite like a cider in Guinness or something? Ooh, I didn't look up alternatives. That's good. Yes, on St. Patrick's Day, people were ordering the snake bite. I remember this.

I think I had one. I think I had one. I think I had one. It was you that I heard. Black and brown is a Newcastle. Black and gold, hard cider, such as Angry Orchard, which we have at Top of Guinness. Red and black, raspberry lambic topped with chocolate stout. Orange and black. Pumpkin ale.

This is so fun. I love playing with liquid densities, too. I feel like a real science guy. I know. Okay, this is fun. This is fun. Well, all right, folks. We're going to go make round two,

and when we come back, more Sloppy Boys. Cool. And we're back with round two, black and tan, half and half. Let's see them. Still a poor mix on my part. Yeah, I had it looking good for a second, but you know, it just inevitably just washes itself away. But it's a good glug, either way.

Yeah, it's a real good glug. It's the glug you gotta chug. Well, I like this. Let's get into our final thoughts. Tim, take it away. This was a sleeper hit for me. I don't, I rarely enter an episode cynical uh and i

don't know why i i didn't think i would dislike this but i think i thought it i think that we would i thought we would get to this part of the show and i would say yeah i liked it but why order this but now i do get it it's like when i'm in the mood for a stout but i'm not all the way there and i want to split it and make it a lighter stout, but I want the Guinness taste. But without having a whole Guinness, I get it. It's good. Tim, you're right. It's a smart move.

You want to spread out the risk. And that's what they were doing, those ale makers back in that 17th century I was telling you about. They were spreading out the tax risk. Yeah, if you're a noncommittal slophead like me, you want to split the difference, folks. And you can experiment. It's customizable. We used to say this more. You can express yourself

with a drink like this. Maybe you want a little more Guinness. Maybe you want a little bit more ale. It might even change day to day. You don't even have to do the same thing twice. This drink could be made with infinite variations. Folks, it's an order again yeah it's cool for you it's cool for you i know sometimes when i'm in a bar and i'm with you guys and our friends i'll be walking around so oh jeff doing a more uh black in the black and tan nice tim mostly tan very nice my man i get

where you guys are coming from today right I can read you like a book. You know, it's funny to me thinking about in the old days when they're, you know, mixing up these drinks, as I was talking about before, mix up the beers. I wonder what beer would taste like if that never happened. Like if they didn't have to mix it up, because I'm sure, I'm sure we have beers that just like come out of that. And we don't even know. We don't even know. We don't even know. We don't even know. Interesting.

We don't know what we don't know. That's what I'm saying. This, to me, is in order again. But honestly, it's kind of like a drink you can't screw up. If either amount, unless you have such a refined palate, either amount of each is. You can screw it up. If you did all Guinness, that would be a screw up if you're drinking a full black and tan you look over your guinness and the cap is still on it you might want to reassess you fucked up you're gonna get a total

do-over you i you don't also want that thing to happen where the bottom of your glass is ale the top of your glass is stout, but in the middle, there's just a vacant inch and the two liquids are not touching each other. That's, that's a flaw. And if the, if that happens, you need to call like the aerospace society or NASA or something and let

them know how you did that. Let them know there's other, there's out extraterrestrial forces at work. Quite possibly. Didn't I? I feel like I sent you guys a tweet recently. It was like, if your ass stink through your jeans,

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