The Sloppy Boys - 212. Jack Rose

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

The guys make an apple brandy cocktail popular in the '20s and '30s that has since fallen off (far from the tree.)JACK ROSE RECIPE:1.5oz/45ml APPLEJACK.75oz/22ml LEMON JUICE.5oz/15ml GRENADINEAdd ingredients into a shaker with ice and shake until well-chilled.Fine strain into a coupe glass and garnish with a lemon twist.Recipe via Liquor.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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for you and for Canadians. This situation has changed very quickly. Helping make sense of the world when it matters most. Stay in the know. CBC News. Hey folks, welcome to the Sloppy Boys where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love. I'm Jeff Dutton along with Michael Hanford. Hello. And Timothy Jordan-Calpacus. What is up? And we are your host, the Sloppy Boys. Michael Hanford. Hello. And Timothy Jordan Kalpakis. What is up?

And we are your hosts, the Sloppy Boys. Halloween's around the corner. Now we're shuttling forward to the next holiday. Oh. Halloween's passed. When you say around the corner, you're talking about around the corner, the corner that's behind you, typically.

The rear corner, yes, Tim. It's just around the corner. It's in the rear view, and we're turning the corner. We can't see it anymore, it's just around the corner. It's in the rear view and we're turning the corner. We can't see it anymore. It's gone now. Hey, actually, we don't we don't this is this is coming out after but recording before the election. So folks, if something in wild happened and we're not acting like it's nothing. Yeah, no, that this we don't know anything. Congratulations, everyone or sorry.

Hey, this was another week where the sloppy boys were globetrotters. Yet again, I feel like this happened last week, but Mike, you were in DC, Jeff, you were in Nashville, I was in Salt Lake City, all of us covering some terrain. DC, yes, yes. Spread covering some terrain. DC. Yes. Yes. Spreading the sloppy seed figuratively. I was dropping some apples.

I was trying to bring up my journal, Johnny Appleseed background. We should wear frying pan hats. This is why we need stickers. So every time we go to a major metropolitan area, booze urinal, booze, payphone, boosh, ATM. I told you about that Jay Giles sticker I saw the other day. There's a Jay Giles band sticker in a bathroom and boy, it got me listening to Jay Giles.

Wow, that's a very effective sticker. And I peed all over it, it was in the urinal. Oh, I was gonna say, oh, is it funny when you go like, we go backstage at a music venue or a bathroom at a rock club or something and there's just endless stickers and endless bands and it makes you feel like, boy, I can't believe anyone came to this show. I'm quite proud that the Sloppy Boyz sticker

has remained on the paper towel dispenser at E Rustic Inn in Los Angeles. Oh yeah. It's been months and it's still there. Sometimes those things get scraped off. I think I slapped that one. That's the mud flap design. That's a good one.

Yeah, good sticker. Oh yes, I know which one you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think somebody, I think Liz one you're talking about. I think Slophead Liz sent us a link on Twitter, maybe, X, now X, that was you rustic admitting that they were slow on their wings. It was like the rustic page. It was like a meme of like, if you're putting orders in online but the chef is friends with you or something.

Like you're putting in wrong orders, but the chef is your friend or something like that. They should do the Domino's apology where it's like, look, we know the wings don't come out very fast. We're doing our best. Things are going to change. We know, ooh, Jeff, you hit record on the wheat, the restreamer. Oh my fuck.

And Mike, angle your microphone pointed at your mouth. Year four, here we go. Point the microphone at your mouth. You don't have to lift the whole thing, but I mean just angling the tip of the microphone to it. Yeah, that's... I needed to go up like that. That's a huge difference. I need to upsy-daisy this thing.

Lots of podcasts still dialing that in, year four. Yeah, but it looks upside down. I need to readjust this arm. If it's upside down, the sound will be backwards. Ha ha ha. Hanford Mike, what the fuck? Now is that true? Is that actually true?

Because it works out logically to me. But I don't know if that's true. I noticed what you're saying about you rustic. There's a funny thing where Bernie's in Brooklyn, like Greenpoint where we went Mike at one time. I haven't been to that. No, I wasn't there with you guys when you went to that. Jeff, did we go?

Yeah, it's like revisionist Fridays or like revisionist. Yeah, I'm going to look that up right now. Yeah, it's suburban chic, but really fun. We loved it. A couple of the servers at that place have like become huge on TikTok. They like make little, do little funny voices after their shifts and stuff and it blew up huge.

And they're legit funny. But so I've noticed, I think that that may have been the inspiration for like, you rustic has a like TikTok now and it's like, rustic and I don't know. I like whenever, anytime anybody's trying to think. So it's cool, but it's not exactly blowing up in the same way. Hey, speaking of stickers in the bathroom. Yeah.

If you open a rock club and I've thought of it, we'll get to that in a moment when we discuss our adventures abroad. Here's the thing, save money on bathroom paint. You don't need it. If you're open for like three months, the walls are shellacked in punk stickers. Save that money bathroom paint. You don't need it. If you're open for like three months, the walls are shellacked in punk stickers.

Save that money. Yes, yes. Just have particle board, you know, whatever. Raw drywall and caulk and nails. Don't worry, it's gonna get all covered up. We'll help you, us bands and listeners alike. We'll help you. Slap it up.

Whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh. Andre the Giant has a posse. Whoosh help you? Slapping up. Whoop whoop whoop whoop. Andre the Giant has a posse. Whoop whoop whoop whoop. STB. Coexist. Coexist. We were about to go on stage at a club on tour. At the clurb?

At the clurb and we were in the wings and I saw a sticker of a band of a guy that I know and I don't like and that soured me. I don't want to play this in clubbing this fucking guy. Yeah. Damn, I don't name names but geez. Don't name James. Hey, did you see Jack White is playing Reggie's coming up?

Reggie's in Chicago? Yes, I don't know which Reggie's, there's multiple Reggie's. But that would be two venues that Jack White plays at the slot place, that's cool. We got to open for this guy, come on. Jeff, that would be two venues that Jack White plays at the slot place. That's cool. We got to open for this guy. Come on Jeff. That'll be three. That'll be three. He played the Lodge Room in LA. He played the Cactus Club in Milwaukee. And I mean at Def, he definitely played satellite way back, right? So we can count

that too. Oh he did? Yeah. He must have. New guy in town in a cool venue. But this is when he's doing, like this is the dive bar small venue van tour he's doing right now. But I feel like by the time he came to LA, he was probably already kind of hot shit. But I don't know, I don't know. Maybe he may have had a practice show.

Maybe it was a practice show. I'm guessing he was fond of level. Wait, what was it called back then? Spaceland? Yeah. Wait, what was it called back then? Space land. Yes, basically did the white stripes play space land? If he did, it would be more like a yes, more than once. Oh, wow. I don't even need to say what I was going to say.

It was so good. Plus, they were toured around were touring around as a small band. They probably showed up in LA and played the root from. That's a good band. We know it well, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. Yeah, but hey, Portland and San Francisco is quite a drive, folks.

That's true. You can be sure. Be aware of that. But if you're doing that drive, maybe stop for dinner at track pizza outside of Eugene. Look at pictures of pre-fontaine while you eat your pizza. That was really fun.

That was good. That was amazing. Yeah, that was good. Good stop. And they had a salad bar. What a find. You're on the interstate and you're like, I don't want Wendy's. Let's what's on Yelp.

And you're like, this pizza place. That's right. And you walk in and you're like, oh my God, this is a fucking treasure. It was packed with track teams. Like, high school track teams were there, and they had like a salad bar and pitchers of beer and pizza, we couldn't have found a better spot. Oh, the beer pitchers, they, oh man,

I'm not going to say where I was because I don't want to blow up the spot. I'm gatekeeping the spot near me. But I watched some football with, I think you guys, friends of ours, mutual friends and stuff. And I was a dollar wing place. I hadn't been into a dollar wing place in like forever. Get out of here in 2024.

I know. And it was like, anytime football games honor, it's dollar wings. So I did, I think I did like 12 wings and a pitcher of beer, a pitcher of Coors Light for 10 bucks. Oh, the best. The pitcher was 10 bucks, pitcher was 10 bucks. Jeez.

It was the best. I was like, this is so great. Remember, not to go on a terror about like inflation, but there used to be like 25 cent wing night, 50 cent wing night, whatever their price it may be, obviously it's going to go up over the years, but I still like there being a thing where, a night where wings are cheap.

There's one at Greyhound, we've gone and ordered way too much at Greyhound and had a blast. But in general, you're playing $2 a wing. That's crazy. Oh yeah. At least. Just for, yeah, yeah.

Rusty Gouges on Super Bowl Sunday is like $4 a wing. It's like, fuck off. Wait, on your travels, did you guys have any fun regional drinks or foods? Or experiences for Christ's sake? For me, the experience was just walking around, I was there for a day, walking around the mall, national mall,

seeing the sights and going to the Air and Space Museum was fun. Neil deGrasse Tyson was in the Planetarium. Well, he was the VO guy in the Planetarium. Oh, we don't like him anymore? You are very similar. The two of you are very similar. Who?

Neil deGrasse Tyson and Hanford have similar minds. The way they look at the sky and they think, what could be? Well, I was going to say, it was like this 25 minute thing where it's just like, he's like, the universe that we know is expanding and trying to explain it. And it's like, at any point in the universe, you see that as the center of the universe

and is going on and on. You're just like, what the fuck is that? What are you talking about, man? None of this makes any sense to anybody. We're dumb, dude. You know, like space stuff to a degree, it's like, wow, that is far. It'd take a million years by light, wow.

And if they get past that, you're like, no, nobody knows what you're talking about. Nobody can conceive of this bullshit. I think our brains are also only willing to accept one cool new fact. Like if you say, like, hey, if you were the size of a, if the sun was the size of a soccer ball, it'd be a million miles away.

We're like, I can learn one of those. It's like wine tasting. Like if I learned that Chardonnay is buttery because of the wooden cask, that's all I want for the day. Don't try to teach me a second thing. Yeah, this thing was like going into like what dark matter was and then like the space between dark matter like Like we know it's out there, but we don't know what it is

What well figure it out before you tell me Jesus don't come to market this on me this spiel if you don't know show me All I want to see is how big like the Empire State Building is next to a planet and like make those Happen for me. I know those and are. And I hope it's small, because that'll be weird if it looks huge. We can go from there. But DC, pristine place. Those buildings are polished and crisp. They better be.

Our tax dollars are paying for it. Well, it's funny, I was saying that too. I was like, why is this so nice here? It doesn't need to be so nice. This money could go somewhere else. But then I was like, I was saying that too, I was like, why is this so nice here? It doesn't need to be so nice. This money could go somewhere else. But then I was like, if you have a capital in any country, you want it to look good, because just like if anyone from out of town comes in,

we gotta be like, oh, this is a good spot. They know what's going on. Yeah, so I have a clean house from company comes over. And it is so just like practical that way. People say that DC has gotten like noticeably nicer since Sloppy Boy's LLC has been established, has been paying taxes. Mm-hmm.

Giving back to the community? I was walking up the Lincoln Memorial, I was like, I think we paid for this step, folks. Oh no, it's broken, it stinks. It stinks. Hey, have any of you guys been to Nashville ever? Yes, love it. No, I want to hear about it.

Oh my God. I had no idea what I was in for. Major Jack White Town, third man records. Oh, fuck. Why didn't we go to that? I showed up wanting to go to mostly food places and we got some recommendations. You're a foodie. Well, I wanted to go to Prince's or Hattie B's

and Prince's, the OG location was closed. So we did a little Hattie B's. Sad. Now that is the Louisiana chicken, right? The hot chicken. Yeah, like the hot Nashville hot chicken. Nashville. Yeah, you don't go to Nashville

for the Louisiana chicken, but I get your point. Yeah. We heard some great reccks that on Broadway. This is somebody who hates Broadway, like a local who's like, he's like, if they have to go downtown, go to Tootsies and go to Robert's Western World. Everything else is corporate copy paste bullshit.

Say those again, Jeff. I want to look at them. I love Robert's. I've been there. I have fried baloney sandwich. Tootsies and Robert's Western World. Tootsies in Nashville. Okay. It's. Tootsies and Robert's Western world. Tootsies in Nashville. OK, it's like Tootsies Orchid Lounge.

And you can tell. Oh, it's like OG. But I had no idea that like how Vegas it was. It's the most Vegasy place. Every building I figured a honky tonk was filled with hopeful people who were playing originals, country originals to like respectful crowds. No, they are party bands playing rock covers. Oh, yeah. I get what you're saying about you walk in.

It's like bar with a stage. You go upstairs, bigger bar with a bigger stage. You go upstairs, rooftop bar with the best stage. And it's building after building after building. And it starts like we showed up at 11 a.m. at one point to go to the cash museum, the Johnny Cash Museum, which was sick. And at 11 in the morning, three stories of bands

just going all out. It's a cacophony all the time. So cool. Now, did you get the sense, Jeff, that it was like bands doing a show or just like they're just bands like house bands constantly going? If we went there, would we just be in the mix or would it be like, hey, we want to do a ticketed show?

No ticketed shows, really. It's just that like the bars have music and they're playing like Stacey's mom and shit like that. Gotcha, gotcha. I expected more country music, to be honest. There was a good bit, but also plenty of Chapel Rowan. Oh, so it was just Fountains of Wayne and Chapel Rowan. I'm seeing pictures of this place and it's like people are just like

pouring out of like the roof in the front and the window. It just looks like a cartoon of like a wild house party. Like it's funny to be on a rooftop bar and then look out on the street and all down the street are different rooftop bars. Like it looks miniaturized or something. But I decided we should go often. It's the only thing that's different about Vegas is you can walk with open containers.

I don't know why you can't walk with an open container in this place. It should be the, yeah. I think it's just Tennessee. It's just conservative Tennessee versus progressive Nashville preventing that sort of sinful behavior. But I had a list of small takeaways from Nashville. Ooh.

Shit whiskey sours. Just very mixy, divey whiskey sours. Fun for one. But, you know, when I try to whiskey sour multiple places, not that I expect them to like break out the egg white, but just never had one good whiskey sour in Nashville. That's a fun one is a good drink distinction for the final thoughts on the pod. Fun for one.

I kind of heard that as like fun for one person, like just like for one person. You're good for one, not for group. Huge missed opportunity for bacon wrapped hot dogs or any street meat type thing. Like walking down the street. That's an LA specific, the bacon wrap dogs. But are you saying you're not coming across any sort of, they're not, they don't have hot chicken out

on the carts in the streets. Dude, anything, anything anything like that's crazy You think that's like everyone's coming out of the bars and just like you make It would have been fish in a barrel lines down the street like a huge missed opportunity I'm sure it's just like a zoning thing or something. I bet I say we get a sloppy boys food truck out there, dude So that's the other we don't even have to be there for it. Just let somebody else run it. All of the IPs, you know, like instead of seeing like ESPN Sports Zone or whatever. You don't mean my friend IP freely, do you?

Michael. All these places are owned by musicians. You got Jason Aldean, Hank Williams, Jr. the estate, Miranda Lambert, Kid Rock, they all put their names on these giant fucking honky tonks with three stages. The way a casino in Vegas would be like the Margaritaville Casino or something, right? Totally, or it's even more like Disney World.

You walk down the street and it's like Pluto's fucking crazy town and Donald's this. It's like they're the larger than life characters putting their stamps on these giant hockey tucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's interesting. And it made me think, why not a party rock band? Hey, ooh, did you happen to, when you were walking down Broadway,

did you happen to see the Taco Bell Cantina that has a stage for live music? No, fuck! Food! Mm. That was on Booze News a couple years ago. We've been for live music. No, fuck. Food. Mm hmm. That was on Boo's News a couple of years ago. We've been told about that. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, OK. Last couple of little glimmers here. Vegas, but condensed and younger. I mentioned that. Oh, also, I expected we would be like the old guys. No, it's all ages. Like we were absolutely median age range. But you're 40 year old.

Friends likes to party. Bathroom attendance, too many of them don't need them. Thanks old friends. Everyone likes to party. Bathroom attendance, too many of them, don't need them, thanks, I don't need to be. I'd like normal bars. Yep, bathroom attendance in every other bar, don't need that. Weird. Bathroom attendance, a tough one for me

because I don't see it enough, like I don't run into it enough because I don't go to those types of places enough. But when I do see, I have one, I'm like, alright, I don't know, I'm not eating any of this mints or using any of the gels and stuff, but he did hand me a towel, but I could have done that myself.

Do I give a dollar for that? What if your hands are going towards the sink? In comes a spray bottle from left field. You had no say in the matter. Soap, get out of here! My hands fucking, I'm allergic. I've done a 180 on bathroom attendance where I used to be like, oh god,

I hope this guy doesn't help me because I don't want to have to tip him. Now I'm like, I'm going to tip him so I'm going to use all the services. Like I'm using the mouthwash, I'm asking him, can you hand me one of those little cups for mouthwash? I'm filling my pockets with candy. That's hard to hear you use it with.

I bring them to the urinal and I say, can you unzip me? Can you unfurl my shlong? What do you think about this hue? What do you think about this hue? Yeah. He consults. He's like, you should be drinking more water. Well, obviously.

And finally, too much Texas longhorn orange. You guys are in the you guys are sportos. You probably wear Dodger blue, that sickening shade of blue. You'd never put on your body in any other circumstance, but you want to claim identity to this weird thing that doesn't care about you. So you ruin your look and you put on something like that awful Texas orange or that awful Dodger blue. Texas orange or that awful Dodger blue. Texas orange is worse than Dodger blue.

It's like part built into your wardrobe. Terrible. You say, I like that awful Dodger blue in like the baseball and sports world. That is known as like a classic color. Like their Dodger blue is such a specific. People paint their like walls and cars this color. I mean like Dodger blue is a very like it's famous.

It's a famous color. It's got a Panto number. Yeah, it's like, oh, that awful Dodger Blue that everyone just finds so lovely. Well, I only have it on St. Patrick's Day where there was like, we're going to the bar. Put on your Kelly Green T-shirt. I don't have that fucking Nickelodeon kid ass green in my wardrobe. Get that out of here. You can do pale green. You do ours.

If there was a sports franchise with a color that you like, if there was like a faded, like there's like a Gen Z pink or something, they're like, no, I don't know if I want to see that. That's Nashville. Also, I saw about 100 Taylor Swift Eris tour sweatshirts at the airport. Just every other girl had Eris tour merch on. I don't know if they just came through or if it's just comfortable travel wear, but

I was shocked. I stopped counting at a certain point. Well you were in Taylor town. Was she just everywhere, like those sweatshirts and her memorabilia like everywhere? Like she's everything everywhere all at once. Yeah. I actually saw a movie that was similar to that idea. I saw, in DC, I saw just some stand,

the guy selling like the shirts and like Trump hats and shirts and vans, Kamala and Walt's shirts. Just like so funny to see them damning each other, but just like right next to each other. It's like this is all for sale, we know that. Hey, let me go back and clear my good name about this tipping thing. The reason I don't tip in the bathroom

is because I don't use this stuff, but I also don't have cash on me ever. Do you guys have like cash usually? And if you do have cash, you want to be handling it in the bathroom all the time? No, no. No, but I mean, I'm not even like equipped, like even if I was to use some of that,

I'd be like, okay, I have to get cash somewhere or Venmo you. I'm not going to Venmo anybody. Write him a check. Personal check. I should just have blank checks ready in my pocket. You should have DVD copies of the film blank check. Ah. Hold on, before boos news,

I want to tell you a couple experiences I had in Salt Lake City, Utah. I was visiting Tristan and Kristen. Now when was that, Tim? Just now. Same time, just got back. It's just his past. Oh damn, I didn't realize you were out of the state.

Well, you didn't seem to care. I told you, you're like, ah, whatever. I'm in DC, I got things to worry about. I got things to worry about. Fish to fry, my man. But things that relate to the pod, two things. We went to this really good, this famous restaurant called the Red Iguana

that's like a sit-down Mexican restaurant where they have mole, seven different colors of mole. But here's what I saw. Hold on Tim, mole means there's like cocoa in it, chocolate or something, like what's the? Okay, so the only mole I had ever had in my life is that chocolatey dark black one. Turns out that's one of seven moles.

There's a yellow one, there's a green one. They're all sort of nutty and seedy. I got a lot to learn about mole. I'm playing whack-a-mole over here. You know, did you guys know? That's why I gotta bring you to the red iguana. and seedy like I learned about moly. I'm playing whack a mole over here. You know, did you guys know? So I got to bring it to the Red Iguana. Do you know what mole the pope eats? No. Holy moly.

All right, go ahead. I didn't know that. You didn't know that. Is that true, Michael? Yes. And he doesn't say holy. He says holy to rhyme it better with the whole. Well, he's speaking Latin half the time, so. Popes aside. Thank you.

Can we just get off the Pope stuff? They've got like a tequila menu. You choose your tequila, and when your tequila comes, it's like, you know, like a little, in a served neat, like in a little snifter and you have a choice, listen to this. Oh, you want cazadores? Okay, you want Don Julio?

Would you like it two options? Dressed with lime and salt? Okay, sure, that makes sense. Option two, with a chaser of sangrita. Ooh, that's a nice little, in Salt Lake? Salt Lake Sangrita. So I went with that option. I had only ever heard of Sangrita

with the drinks we've done in the pod, the Bandera we made our own, and the... Vampiro. The, I guess. We made our own. Oh yes, the Vampiro. I got to sip a very good Sangrita, and I can tell you it's way better than what we've had.

Like it's less OJ. You made a good one, Tim. But you know what we were saying, like the OJ and the tomato juice, when they're in sort of like equal parts, they're like fighting each other, and you're like, I can't tell if this is supposed to be, what this is supposed to be.

I knew those drinks were drinks that were done better by pros. I think I may even say, but I could tell, I was like, I'm not doing this right. It was great to have a little one ounce or two ounce pour of something that just tasted like a really good Bloody Mary mix or something, and it was a very good chaser.

And then, the other thing I wanted to say, yes, it was weird to be drinking in such a Mormon town, Salt Lake City, so there were a lot of rules about, like, I ordered a flight of whiskey and I could only have two whiskies at a time. Like, there's a lot of loopholes and loopholes. But before I went out there to get in the mindset, I watched some secret lives of Mormon wives on Hulu,

and I watched some real housewives of Salt Lake City. Somebody was just telling me about Salt Lake City when they said it's pretty wild. It's, people are loving it. I have trouble with those types of shows, I'll be honest. But when I would, secret lives of Mormon wives is kind of wild because it's about like, like swingers within the Mormon community and TikTok.

It's the secret lives of those, oh, oh, moment wide. You act like you haven't seen the show and then you know the theme song. I'm guessing, I think I saw the meme of it. But here's what's interesting. These Mormon girls, they're like 22 and they have 10 kids, that type of a vibe. They're not allowed to drink, right?

Alcohol, not allowed for Mormons. Caffeine, also not allowed for Mormons. So, imagine you're like a 22 year old girl, and you're like, but I wish. You haven't done shit. I want to go to Starbucks, and I want to get to say half calf, double mocha, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I want to have a big straw drink.

So they have, there's a chain of soda places called Swig that is like a soda bar drive-through where ladies are getting like 44 ounce sodas and then you add stuff. Like, I thought it would just be like, oh, you have seltzer and then you add like an Italian soda, you add some flavorings. No, you're starting with like Mountain Dew

and then you're adding strawberry cream and like chunks and purees and stuff. But wait, you're not starting with Mountain Dew, brand Mountain Dew, but you're, what? You are. See, this is why we shouldn't repress these things because then when they get the opportunity to do it, they do it like a little freak.

Well, there's like, like cookie sales are always bigger in like Utah, like Salt Lake City than other states. It's cause like people like snacking. Yeah, cheap thrills. There's tons of cookie chains. Like you walk in and get a warm chocolate chip cookie and that's all they got there.

Like sugar is like the drug. There's some, what is this like, this like human urge to destroy it, to destroy your vessel? Something right you need a vice one way or the other I'm getting this thing fucked a little bit I'll dolly fill it with sugar. I'll do drugs. Whatever I gotta do and God's watching and he's like, you know I said no alcohol no caffeine, but they got me on this sort of thing So I looked up the star of this show I said no alcohol, no caffeine, but ah, they got me on this soda thing.

So I looked up the star of this show, Taylor Frankie Paul. She had like, her order had gone viral on TikTok, so I went and I got, I mean, she got a 44 ounce, which is insane, I got a 16 ounce, but the drink on the menu was called Texas Tab. Really, it was Dr. Pepper plus vanilla syrup plus coconut cream and then I added strawberry flavor pearls which are like synthetic boba balls

but they were strawberry flavored so you're drinking out of a fat straw and then a marble comes in your mouth and you bite it and it gushes out strawberry syrup. It was delicious for two sips and then it was way too sugary and it went into the garbage. Oh man. Even just the idea of a 44 ounce drink,

like I used to do that at the movie theater. Like I would be like, now's my chance, I'm going to get a 40 ounce Pepsi. And you drink it out of like a bucket that you would make sand castles at the beach with. And like, it's just vile. Yeah. My parents didn't disallow soda. It's just like they tended not to buy it for the house.

They were like, you'll get it out in the world. You'll get it at grandma's. But like we don't keep full strength Coca-Cola at the house. It's around. It's not in the world. You'll find your way to some soda. But then it made me so crazy. Yeah. We might. My we had soda at the house all the time.

And it like I wasn't soda crazy because because I could have it kind of whenever. And it wasn't. Yeah, see? That's why the kids these days aren't smoking weed as much. Because we haven't made it this taboo, counter-cultural thing. Interesting. They're not smoking. That's weird.

I know that kids these days are not drinking and they're not having sex. But if they're playing a lot of video games, I figured they'd be smoking weed or eating edibles. Weed is down, Tim. Weed is down. Everything's down. I think I think these video games and I know from experience with one game at least are they're so engaging, so gripping. Tim, if you had any of your wits dolled at all, you'd be you'd be a loser.

This is going to be sharp. If you're going to drop in, you're going to be. All right. Can we get to some fucking booze news, please? It's been 25 minutes. Oh, my God. Yes. This has got to be quick. Quick. Oh, fuck. Hit it. 211. I met him during COVID. There was no turning back to 111 to 111. Somebody told me that his name was Jack.

A two, one, one, one, a two, one, one. Yeah, there was no turning back. Yeah, his name was Jack. Shren, tell me the ratio. A two, one, one, one, a two one one. He said two parts liquor will kick things off. Two one one one, a two one one. Followed by one part sweet and one of citrus.

A two one one one, a two one one. Yeah, he kicked things off. Yeah, he added citrus. Oh, it's booze news, isn't it? Whoa. A two one one was sent to us by Casey and Lee Stimson. And if you have a booze news theme, email it to thesloppyboyspodcast.gmail.com. 211, of course, referring to the golden ratio of sours taught to us by celebrity bartender, Jack Schramm.

That was good. That was good. That was very good. I liked that. What was that AI Homer at the end? That's crazy. Now that's real Homer. That was Dan Castellanetta.

But you said booze news? It's time for booze news? Yeah. I love a rhyme like that. What rhymes with off? Citrus. Citrus. Citrus.

It was funny how that was me and Jeff in the choruses there. Jeff's was a little more on beat, like the song kind of slows for a second. Okay, so you know, regular listeners know that typically on Booze News we're saying, hey, there's a new flavor of this hard seltzer. Oh, hey, there's a New York Times article about the duty Shirley's the drink is slump, blah, blah, blah. But the past couple of weeks, I've been like Sarah Koenig on cereal and I've been sort of doing the whole thing. And we've been talking about male chimp a lot.

Yeah, only just plugging male chimp. A couple of weeks ago, it had come to our attention, someone alerted us that a couple of our drink recipes, the Kalpi Kordil, the Southern Sipper, and the Russian Root had popped up in a cocktail book. And we were like, oh. And then last week, I had ordered the book off eBay, and we looked at the descriptions,

and yeah, there's our drinks being legitimized in print. And it was a publisher from Ontario, and a mysterious writer, Tommy Marshall, had written this book. And we said, Tim, take a week, see what you can do, scour the globe, see if you can figure out what you can figure out. Cause we didn't know.

You got to Salt Lake City, so hopefully that's all. That's why I went there. I was up at Snowbird, the ski resort, just looking around. But because we didn't know, is it AI? Is this a person? Is this guy ripping us off? Or is he simpatico?

What's happening here with Tommy Marshall? Tommy Marshall, the name on everyone's name. Tommy Marshall, Tommy Marshall. Wow. Who is Tommy Marshall, Tommy Marshall, the name on everyone's cell phone, Tommy Marshall, Tommy Marshall. Well, who is Tommy Marshall? It's time, much like, I mean, the jinx or staircase, it's time for the shocking conclusion. Jeff, please hit play on a voice note that I just received. Oh my God.

Just received. Hey, I'm Tommy Marshall. I'm the author of Craft Cocktails Made Simple. I'm a comedy writer and director based out of Toronto I also bartend full-time at the second city in Toronto and on top of that I'm a cookbook author Craft cocktails made simple was my second cocktail book. I had done. I wrote it in August of 2022 and There are 38 recipes a book. So I was running out of ideas for cocktails when I decided to reach it to the sloppy boys I'm a huge slop head. So I reached out to my Instagram, uh,

asked if I could use the copy cordials, Russian root and Southern sipper. They said, yes, they clearly forgot. Um, you know, you'll mule grimmest piss. Those weren't out there when I wrote it, but uh, happy to collab on another book if the boys want. Um, as for the AI allegations, I am not AI, unless this is a kind of matrix situation, in which case we're all AI. But, yeah, human man.

You know, oh, the books are available at Dollar Tree. So go ahead and get them, have fun. Who's smart man getting his ad in there at the end? Dollar Tree, specifically, these are printed for Dollar Tree, so go to a Dollar Tree store and pay one dollar by this book called Classic Cocktail, Craft Cocktails Made Simple. But guys, he said that he got permission from us.

I was like, what? And then he sent the screenshot of a DM. This is from August 29th, 2022, from Tommy Marshall to the Sloppy Boys. Yo, I'm writing a cocktail book that's going to be published at Dollar Tree. You guys want me to toss the Russian root in there? Same question for Calphe, Georgia, and Southern Zipper. Just saying I think this is the way towards getting the Sloppy Boys original cocktails So I'm writing a cocktail book that's going to be published at Dollar Tree, you guys want me to toss the Russian root in there?

Same question for Calphe, Gorgel, and Sutherland Zipper. Just saying I think this is the way towards getting the Sloppy Boys original cocktails to the level of international acclaim reserved for the Trinidad Sour. And then response from me, all caps, yes. And I didn't remember that and we thought we were accusing this guy of not having permission. Yeah, we made a better story, didn't remember that and we thought we were accusing this guy of not having permission. Yeah, we made a better story, didn't it?

I don't remember reviewing or being consulted on this very flimsy contract, so yes, Tommy, you'll be seeing some legal action taken very soon. I went rogue on that one. But folks, go check out your Dollar Tree, your local Dollar Tree and see if you can get one. I don't know if you can, cuz slop heads are snarping them up I saw on the discord people are buying them out really really

Oh, that's fun. That is fun way to go Tommy Marshall, man The more you buy the more they got a print and then it'll make this book a hit much like the Savoy Cocktail book or the ABCs and mixing drinks then Tommy Marshall becomes the next Harry Craddock Harry Macalone Yeah, that's great. You don't have to be the New York Times bestseller. You could be the Dollar Tree bestseller. I think that's where we're headed. Just be a bestseller first.

You can make us Wikipedia pages for our cocktails now because it won't be a stub. If you need a citation, you say, craft cocktails, made simple by Tommy Marshall. It's legitimate, you know? Ah. But here's also a funny thing. The fact, speaking of getting permission and us forgetting and all that,

Tommy also has made a short film on Vimeo called Antarctica, The Last Frontier, and it features several Dutz tracks, which Jeff has given permission to and didn't remember that either. Huh? Yeah, I watched his film. It's a funny movie on Vimeo.

Everyone go watch Antarctica, the last frontier, packed with Dutz tracks that were allowed to be used because Dutz said yes. Why is he playing like nightlife, sexy nightlife songs over the Antarctic? I guess it's a funny short. All right. And maybe it's not about the Antarctic at all.

Maybe it's just the title, who knows? Well, there maybe it's not about the Antarctic at all. Maybe it's just the title, who knows? Well there's Arctic and then there's Antarctic, which is the other side of the earth. My question for, well, this is great that we, our budding career here as podcasters in an LLC, it's good to have the word out, this is free advertising, it's good. But we really need to,

we need some type of legal checks and balances on this thing. We say yes too easily. Let's stop this guy get locked up. If there's a Canadian prison with an extra cell, get Tommy in there, lock him up, throw away the key. We just feel better. Lord knows what products I've said yes to. We're going to see some knockoff t-shirts hanging out. Lock them up throw away the key. We just feel better Lord Lord knows what I what products I've said yes to we're gonna see

some knockoff t-shirts hanging out Hey Mike, this is Vera Wang can I use uh your your images for our next address at the Met Gala sure go ahead Go for it. Yes for it. Yes sent sent at 1 30 a.m Here I go to bed With booze news around the corner the rear corner Sent sent at 1 30 a.m. Berygoto bed. With booze news around the corner, the rear corner, we turn another corner and square ahead of us in the headlights. It's all corners. Yeah, it's like a maze.

Somewhere along this corner has got to wrap up, Jeff. Wrap it up. It's a leprin wrap it up, Mealyn. Yeah. Have you ever heard of those? They're parents. We have parents that love us. You don't because you're a little orphan. Ah ha. Ah ha.

Nice. Ah ha. Okay, it's time for the drink of the day. The Jack Rose you've had. No. No. You've heard. And I made my Titanic joke last week,

so I can't even use it. You can do it again. Titanic. No, You've heard. And I made my Titanic joke last week, so I can't even use it. You can do it again. Titanic. No, it's fine. Do it. Mike, do you want to make a Titanic joke? I'm readjusting my microphone. I'll do it later.

I mean, I like the idea that we landed on the idea that any drink that has ice in it, you can say it's a Jack Rose cocktail. Yeah, because of the large ice mass inside of it. Yeah. Because of that pestering iceberg. I am going to get that iceberg. Mike, I've never seen anyone make as many adjustments

on a microphone stand. How many screws, did you add your own screws to that stand? Oh, you muted yourself. You muted yourself. See, I knew this was a bad idea. I gotta get this thing flipped around, but it's gonna have to do some unplugging. Don't worry about that. I was able to adjust and still come up

with some funny character work. Have you guys heard of the Jack Rose cocktail? No. Only on our very own show, Tim. This is amazing because yeah, this is like a classic, classic cocktail. It's from the early 1900s from a little place called Aspen.

One, two, three, New Jersey, hell. Hell. Oh, New Jersey, hell. Hell. Hell. Hell. Hell. Laird's Applejack, Apple Brandy, is a old New Jersey company.

I'm talking colonial 1700s New Jersey. Yeah, that kind of like, you think of Trenton, New Jersey, and it's a mud path, and it's everyone in long boots, because they're revolutionary people. That's not what I think of Trenton, New Jersey and it's a mud path and it's everyone in long boots because they're revolutionary people. That's not what I think of. What do you think of, Jeff? Cranford. Ah, yeah?

Ah, the Italy of New Jersey, as you said. Hey, I said it before, but they got to put a little Hanford in Cranford, they might do a little better. It says that on the billboard as you drive into town. I should run for some type of office there. But you know, colonial New Jersey, everyone's walking around being like, hey, King Richard's not giving us enough prescriptions.

Yeah. And so Applejack is like apple brandy as opposed to grape brandy, that's most brandy or cognac. Which I didn't do research on this, on how you make it, but I do feel like I've heard before that it was like, way back then, it's like you fill a barrel of apples, you let the apples rot, you scoop out the apple gunk, and what's left behind is like fermented apple brandy,

and that's what like, little tiny guys drank. Nasty man. I can't believe they were able to make casks or barrels that could hold liquid back then, you know what I mean? I know, a barrel. Well, because the wood swells, Mike, the wood swells. To bend the wood and to fasten it together

so that it's watertight, that's crazy. But the wood swells, Jeff's saying, and they must line it maybe with some sort of beeswax. I don't know, something to seal it. Well, you're an inventor right now, beeswax. Could be beeswax. But just, I don't know, thinking of anything going smoothly back then is amazing. Yeah, anything working.

Yeah. I think they had like an old wooden internet they used to use back then, too. Anyway, but on a serious note. Download a paying code. I put it back on the tree. Okay, so Laird's, Laird himself is distilling his Apple Jack, Apple brandy in Colt's Neck in the 1700s.

Then by the time we get to the early 1900s, a Jersey City bartender named Frank J. May invented this cocktail, the Jack Rose, which is Apple Jack, lemon, and grenadine. And sure, some people say the name comes from notorious gambler Baldy Jack Rose, who was doing his nefarious acts around that time. And there's other theories as to like,

oh, this story or that story, but most likely it comes from Apple Jack and Rose colored grenadine, you know? Jack, Rose, Apple, Jack. Before Rose was a company, just named after the color. Cause like this would predate Rose's grenadine, right? Well, I looked it up roses We learned that remember roses

Lime cordial is extremely old. Yes, extremely old and and that was like the fundamental ingredient in gimlets So it's not unlikely that it's a referring to the brain because I looked it up and I think this drink is from 1905 And yes roses started making grenadine in 1901. Interesting. So it's possible, very possible that it's Apple Jack and Roses. Apple Jack. Apple Jack.

And Roses. Now is Apple Jack, I had never heard of Apple Jack before and I got something that says Apple Jack on it. Is there a specific brand? You mentioned it, but did you guys get that? Did you get Lairds too? Yeah, Lairds. Now, not Peter Laird, co-inventor of the Ninja Turtles

with Kevin Eastman. This is a different Laird entirely, Mike. Oh, I got that, I fucked up, shit. Oh, you got the Ninja Turtle one? I bought a Ninja Turtles VHS tape. This must be Laird Hamilton, the big wave server. Hell yeah. That's the only other layered I can think of.

Ooh, we should watch Riding Giants. Ooh. Folks, if you don't have Applejacket, you can use obviously any Apple brandy, but then we have some Calvados, which is like an Apple brand, or like an Apple and Pear brandy, leftovers from some IVA cocktail.

Maybe you got some of that lying around or just use whatever fucking brand you want. When you said apples and pears, like have you ever heard that British slang, like I want the apples and pears, and that means stairs? Right, yeah, it's rhyming slang. What a long walk.

Yeah, that's weird, I remember that from Ocean's 11, I think one of Don Cheadle's character talks like that. Right, right. Didn't he just eventually stop doing that? We're going to be in a bunch of Bonnie, Bonnie Rubble, trouble. Trouble. You have to plug in that middle piece.

Okay, so Frank J. May's cocktail, the Apple Jack, rose colored grenadine is a hit. It spreads all over the country. It's immortalized when David Emery puts it in his book, The Fine Art of Mixing Drinks, as one of the. He's sort of the Tommy Marshall of back then, Mike. He's the original Tommy Marshall, and his book has a list of six essential cocktails

that everyone should know how to make, and this is one of them. That's how fundamental this drink was. And let's be honest, it's a sour, right? It's kind of a sour. It's a. That's funny that even back then they were like six essential cocktails. You have to know the same way. It's like, doctors hate this belly fat burning trick. Doctors don't want you to burn your belly fat. Like, oh.

I love when the ads like referred to like, there's a whole, the doctors hate this. They're eating them up. Why isn't Don Cheadle cast anymore? Cause it was like inflammatory things. And it's like he had kids. He wanted to spend time with his kids. And he has been cast on a lot of stuff.

And his kids don't cast him in anything at all. Okay, so this drink, even though it's pink for sure, I kind of think of it as like a tough guy drink because it's like John Steinbeck loved them, talked about them a lot. Hemingway mentioned them in The Sun Also Rises. Hem-as. Stainy and hem-as.

And just Applejack itself, it's got sort of a prospector type of vibe to it. So even though this is a little pink cocktail, it's sort of a Yukon Cornelius type drink. Absolutely. And you know, it was very much in the cornerstone of the cocktail world for decades. And then it died out during the dark ages started to creep back in the, it was a cornerstone of the cocktail world for decades, and then it died out during the dark ages, started to creep back in the 2000s in the cocktail boom. But like not as much as, the other five basic drinks you should know in David Emory's book are

martini, Manhattan, old fashioned, daiquiri, and sidecar. And I mean, I guess sidecar is not crazy popular, but those other ones are insanely popular. So it doesn't feel like Jack Rose has had the resurgence that the rest of them have. That's why we're here. To help them along. I had one before.

I was on a trip in Louisville, Kentucky in 2022 with my high school friends. And I was at a dive bar and they were running a special on classic cocktails. And I remember, you know those boards, I love the signs, it's like black plastic slats with like white letters clicked onto them. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Like, it was like classic cocktails, $6 or something really cheap. And it was all just the classics and a Jack Rose, which I hadn't heard of. So I ordered one. It was on the rocks. I think it's usually up.

And I thought, well, this is rather delicious. And you know where they have a sign like that is the Commodore in Brooklyn, the menu above the bar. Oh, I love the Commodore. Yeah, me too. Also, they got the classic cocktails. Very good spot. Okay. Anyway, so let's talk about the recipe.

The original, original recipe, as reported by David Emory in the Fine Art of Mixing Drinks, we're not going to do this one, but just so you know, the original was eight parts Apple Jack, two parts lemon juice, one part grenadine. Shake vigorously with ice strain into a cocktail glass, garnish with a lemon twist of desire. That's a very stiff drink, eight to one.

Hence why your Steinbecks and Hemingways liked it. That is the old stiffy version, but over the last century, we kind of settled into a more standard ratio, and that's what they have on Liquor.com, so that's what we're going to use, because it's kind of like, maybe around two I'll do the original,

but for today, the standard Jack Rose, as told to us by Liquor.com, is one and a half ounces Apple Jack, or Apple Brandy, three quarter ounce lemon juice, freshly squeezed. You are allowed to use lime if you prefer half-ounce grenadine Garnish with a lemon twist and here's the steps add applejack lemon juice and grenadine into a shake with ice shake until well chilled Fine strain into a coupe glass garnish with a lemon twist. Nice No-brainer. It looks like a good looking drink the The picture on what we did differs or liquor.com.

Are we in liquor.com? I'm a picture on there. It looks pretty good. I'm excited. This is a nice little daytime up drink for us right now. Served up. Yeah, this is where we're recording much earlier than usual. So it's afternoon record. And you know, we should get to it because I got to squeeze my lines. Sorry. Oh, me too. I got to squeeze my lemons. Yeah, let's get to it because I gotta squeeze my lines. Sorry. Oh me too. I gotta squeeze my lemons

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ACAST helps creators launch, grow and monetize their podcasts everywhere. acast.com Now we're back Jack roses in hand. Jack from Applejack, Rose from roses, grenadine. Let's take a look. Looking good. Mike, yours is oh, use that rose. Well, I got a really pinky one. Yeah, I had the roses.

Use the roses, which is very red. Tim and I used fancy like pomegranate crap. I wish I had roses. I'm a roses apologist and Mike's drink looks beautiful. Yeah, it looks like a nice cosmo there, Mike. I know, I know. So I almost took a sip. All right. Sips. Yep.

Oh, oh, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Appley, I'm getting more grenadine over on mine. Mm hmm. Oh, that's good. You know, I've been enjoying this fall is the apples, a fall apple Macintosh. Yeah, I'm Apple computers, Macintosh computers. Yes, that's what I used to download them from a source, a source bio, you know what I'm trying to say. Huh?

He's a millennial. It's sourced. I'm millennial, it's sourced. I'm millennial. Oh, Applejack, you know, the Applejack made me think of folks. Come on over to the Patreon. The blowout this week, we're talking about the movie bottle rocket that has a character named Applejack in it. Oh yeah, that's so funny. I thought that too, but it's all happening there. Wes Anderson's first movie, folks, come on. Come on. First film.

First film. Subscribe, patreon.com slash the sloppy boys. It's only $5 a month to get a hold of the show. It's a really good deal. An actual good show. Do you remember the cereal commercials when we were kids? Apple Jack, we eat what we like.

Apple Jacks, we eat what we like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They all had commercials and jingles and characters like honeycomb, honeycomb, me want honeycomb. That one, Apple Jacks was ahead of the curve of like, it'd be like, it was a lifestyle choice. It was like, kids, why do you eat those Apple Jacks? Why don't you eat this cereal or that cereal?

And they're like, we eat what we like. And then it would always end with the kids taking a picture, pre-selfie, taking a Polaroid together. And then they would write, it would be like, Applejacks, like, Applejacks, 1998. Like, they were commemorating that they like Applejacks. We eat what we like. Like, Dickhead.

Dickhead, I'm your father. That's enough Apple Jacks for you. No more Apple Jacks. These Apple Jacks are making you, you're getting your blood sugar too high, you're running amuck. I mean, I know a lot of people have talked about the sugary cereal thing, but how funny,

when you're a kid, what a cornerstone of your life. Like, the cereal you eat, you're like, you're watching Saturday morning cartoons, and you pick a cartoon guy that you like the most, that represents a cereal, and then you eat that cereal, and it's a huge part of your existence. Well, and then they just, like, anything that came out turned into a cereal,

and to a point where, like, I remember I was on vacation somewhere, Tim probably up by here, neck of the woods up there, in the Rundecks. And it was around, remember when the Kevin Costner Robin Hood came out, Prince of Thieves? Yeah. I remember being on vacation, walking through the aisles,

because I was picking my cereal for our trip, and I was like, oh, they've got a Prince of Thieves cereal? This is like too far, I think. Even to me, this feels. Even as a kid? Come on. And look, for my small purview, this is the best movie ever made,

but the cereal is too much. Even I'm not taking the bait on this one. That is amazing that you, at that point, had critical thought like that, because I have a very specific memory of seeing Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves with my mom in the movie theater. We were driving home in her blue Volvo station wagon and I was going on a terror.

I was like, mom, isn't it crazy? Every movie is good. Every movie we've ever seen is so good. And she's like, yes, Tim. Especially at that time, I probably hadn't seen anything with that much heft. Or there's some scary parts in it, which he's talking to the witch lady. And I probably was just like, wow,

so that's a real adult movie right there. That's pretty good. This is the real shit. This is what Dad's been talking about. Man, I saw the Ninja Turtles cereal. Did you guys ever see that? Oh yeah. The I saw the Ninja Turtles cereal. Did you guys ever see that? Oh, yeah. Like what? The Ninja Turtle cereal is like little marshmallow turtles and stuff

and then checks basically. And I remember looking at the box and being like, why are there checks in this fucking ninja? Oh, sorry. And on the back it was like featuring ninja nets. Oh, ninja. Oh, it's fine. It's ninja nets. I love when the turtles bust out the net.

Yeah. The toy make toy making guys like, OK, we need to put a net on the new turtle mobile fast or else we get sued by cereal. I want to say the cover of the box has Rafael like holding a net very like prominently. And it's like, yeah, you know, I'm Rafael and I do the nets. That's like the back to the future video game having bumblebees in it. It's like, oh, you got a skateboard away from the bumblebee. Collect clocks, isn't that it?

You have to collect time pieces. Yeah, yeah, he's always collecting. He has a time travel. He got to collect clocks. Right, he's time travel. That's right, he has time. It'll work. Yep, he's got a net.

Michelangelo has the net. I, I've got a fun, or interesting, I was at a bar on Friday night, it was a big fun hangout, I'm not going to say the bar, because I don't want to get anyone in trouble, but it was a big fun hangout, you know, you got all your friends you haven't seen in a while, everyone's going nuts,

and I was sitting in the bar with somebody. Everyone's going nuts. I think Claire was with me and another friend of ours. And I was sitting at the bar with him and I had just like little pieces of lint or something in my pocket. And I balled it up and I threw it into the trash can behind the bar.

And I had another one. Swish. Two and they made it and that's it. It was in the trash can. behind the bar. And I had another one I did too, and they made it, and that's it, this is the trash can. And they made it, well it didn't make a mess. And Claire, whoever we were with was like, ooh, you're not supposed to do that, I think they're mad at you. And I was like, who's throwing lint in here?

Right, but nobody said anything, but they were like, ooh, that guy just gave you the eye. I was like, no, come on, it's stupid. So we got our drinks, and then we milled around the party. And then every time I went back to the bar twice, I got the coldest reception ever. Have you guys ever had just a bartender you know is not liking you for some reason?

Yeah, yeah, every time. It was like, it was like, you know, no one else, everyone else at the bar, which was pretty sparse at this point, either had a drink or was like turned it was like, you know, no one else, everyone else at the bar, which was pretty sparse at this point, either had a drink or was like turned away from the bar. I'm the only one sitting there without a drink with my elbows on the thing, like looking ahead, like this guy is in ordering position.

And it was just so like looking past me, making sure other people had drinks who already had their drinks. And finally- Because of the lint throwing incident, that's what that's what I'm guessing. I'm guessing it's a bartender thing like I get it. Like it's not just throw ship back.

But it felt we it felt very bad. So yeah, I've occasionally like grabbed an all over a lime or something like that. And I know I'm not supposed to do that. And like, yeah, you get a dirty look for that. Yeah, I get it. But just like, I hadn't had a service that cold a long time. Then on my way home, I did a little walk.

What I've been doing lately is I'll walk and then if I see a bar that interests me, I'll go in for another quick nightcap before I get out of there. And Mike, you walk it like you talk it. That's right. I'm strutting. That's right. That's right.

This is very much like an after hours. It's probably like one o'clock at this point. I get something along the lines of I think just a gin and tonic. That seem right? And I was like, oh maybe I want to spice this up a little. And then after I took a few sips, I said to the bartender, I said, hey, can you come here, can you put a splash of ginger ale in there? And they're like, okay. And the guy doesn't need, just like whatever.

I was like, it's fine. I was going to ask for another thing. I was going to ask for grenadine after that, but like they're already this, I was having a bad's fine. I was going to ask for another thing. I was going to ask for grenadine after that, but like they're already this, I was having a bad night with the bartenders. He's like, your drinks done. Don't uncheck the box. So I'm sipping it and I kind of look over

and I see him talking to his bar back and he's like, they were making fun of me. He goes, no, he wants a splat. He needed a splat with ginger ale. Oh my God. Ooh, okay. Like that. You heard that. Wait, so had you been picky all night?

No, I think maybe when I was ordering the drink, it was, I think I was trying to get, like I was trying to concoct something with the bartenders' help. Thinking this would be a fun thing of like, oh yeah, I'll try something new. Yes, right. I don't think the bartenders want to experiment

with the patrons as they come in. Not, like at certain bars they might, but this bartender particularly was just like, maybe it's too late in the night, I'm done with this shit, but to look over here like, oh now he needs this. Because I've worked in a restaurant before, and you know, I know, every time a waiter comes back to like the little bussing area where the ketchups are kept

and like, oh now they need ketchup. It and like, oh, now they need ketchup. It's like, yeah, well they order french fries. But the idea of asking for anything special sometimes at certain restaurants. You're getting some hate, folks. They don't like you. I couldn't believe it, I couldn't believe it. It's way too important to me to be liked by bartenders

and I over tip to an embarrassing amount sometimes because I'm like, you do like me? Well, I think service people in general, It's way too important to me to be liked by bartenders. And I over tip to an embarrassing amount sometimes. I think service people in general, I've really turned, not turned the corner like I was doing it the opposite way, but very much like, this job is just like, you're just dealing with shitty people, so to be nice is helpful, I'm sure. I'm always trying to be in their good graces,

and there's a Loews Field Bar, Jeff, do you remember a while ago, I won't name names, but I had some beef with a bartender over at like an order or a drink mix up, and I was kind of snippy with the guy. I've squashed that beef, now that guy loves me. But I just had a thing recently, kind of like your thing Mike,

where I know bartenders don't like when you order water. You know, like I don't order water because lots of times there's a water station and if you order your drink in a water, maybe, but just like asking a bartender for a water is something I don't do. And I find myself a lot because I am the guy going to get around for people. Like sometimes someone was like,

who can get me a water? And I'm like, fuck. And I definitely don't ever want to just order just a water. It's like a waste of, someone has to walk and do a thing of a- It's a wrap. It's a wasted wrap. Yes, and even though bartenders are like,

no, it's part of the job, you got to do it. It's like, I can see it in their eyes. So I really don't ever order water. But recently I do. I've just stayed for that. I like four waters. Well, I was at a beloved bar in the valley. Iconic. You don't take tips on the waters, right? Iconic dive bar in the valley that me and Jeff went to recently and loved.

I was back there with some friends and I say. Oh, I know the one, Tim. Yeah, but I'm not naming names. Don't blow it up. Gatekeep the drip. You got a gatekeep. I'm loving the place. So I say, I'm ordering, I'm like,

to the two people I'm with, what do you want? Whatever you're getting. I'm getting whiskey sour, so I'm gonna, I'm like, to the two people I'm with, what do you want? Whatever you're getting, I'm getting whiskey sours. I'm getting three whiskey sours. And then my friend says, and waters too, and I'm like, fuck. Okay. So I go, well, first I'd ordered the three whiskey sours,

and the guy's making them, and then my friend's at waters, so when he comes back, three whiskey sours in his hands, holding it the way that you hold three drinks, you know, that's hard to do, plops him down. I'm like, thank you so much and quick, can we grab three waters? And he like drops his shoulder shrugs and goes, you couldn't have ordered it all at the same time?

What? Oh. And I was thinking, dude, you couldn't carry six drinks. Like, if I would have said three whiskey sours, I always try to do that, do it in one swoop. But in this case, like, you couldn't even have physically done it. But instead, what I said was, I'm

going to give you a big tip, OK? I did, like, write the guy a big tip, like, fuck off. And I don't think that that really showed him that I gave him more money. Yeah, right, right, right. That didn't make him say, oh, he paid me a lot of money. I'm in his debt. It's better than when bartenders are like,

jug's over there and they point to a bone dry jug. I walk near the jug and my skin is like. That's a jug, I don't want a jug. Well, that's why, Tim, when we were hanging out at a drawing room and the bartender there was very nice to us and we're like. Oh yeah. She was doing, she gave us something,

I forget what it was, but it was something we were like, whoa, that's pretty good. There was a mixed shooter that she. Yes, yes, yes. Oh it was a cactus cooler I believe. Yes, I think you're right. And I do, I got to circle back and make sure I'm very clear on this point.

I don't think bartenders are shitty when I say it's a shitty job. I mean, it's just more, the customers can be shitty and make, I see a lot of, you see a lot of waiters. They can be thankless. And service people just get dumped on because. Right, and then the customer before you and after you, before you and after you, there's people saying,

can I have seven Tito's and sodas with six limes and can I have this and this and this and you don't realize what they're, you never know what someone's going through. We frequently will do a Tiki bar. Go ahead. Yeah, Tiki bars are tough because it's like those drinks are stacked up

and it's like, yeah, I'll get to your 10 drinks in a second. I've got another 50 to make right now. Yeah. And, you know, if you're all close, like if you're all getting basically a zombie, just all get a zombie. It's just so much easier. It's so much faster and definitely, definitely don't get like a zombie, a whiskey sour and like a Navy grog and then go up three minutes later and be like one more zombie.

It's like I could have just powered through that. They make them in batch. Yeah, that is one where I would say, like, all you could have said that first time one time. This isn't bartending, but it's one time a customer yelled at me. I was working at Suncoast, right? Somebody has to sign their name for buying a DVD of. Oh, let's say the emperor's new groove.

Ooh. A woman is signing it. Spade. Spade. She's a big spade fan. It's a husband and wife. And it prints out. I put the thing she's got to sign in front of her. And then I'm looking around for the pen, grab it and just sort of casually toss it like a foot and a half to the table. And the husband looks at me and says, did you throw that pen at my wife? And I turned white as a ghost.

And he said, if you throw that pen at my wife, I'm gonna jump over this counter and kick your ass. To a high school kid working at Suncoast. And I was just like, no, sorry. It was just being a casual, sorry. But damn, some people are short-fused. Especially when it comes to their wives. And the pen that you're launching.

The next time his wife comes in there, boom, right between the eyes. Boom! Did Jeff, you dealt with, that was Karen or Brad before Brad's existed. Brad? Isn't that the counter of Karen, or the male Karen? I've never heard that.

Oh, Chad, that's different. I thought it was Brad. Chad, Chad, Chad, it's Chad. Oh, I thought Chad's an alpha. Chad's are just jacked guys who get all the ladies. But I feel like that guy was showboating. When you do something to some guy's wife, then he's like, well, my masculinity is on display here,

and if I threaten to kick this kid's ass, I'll probably get laid later tonight. So I can't. I'm going to get laid. And if I don't, I got Emperor's new groove so my night's going to be fine either way. I hope he got laid either way. He's like, little boy, little dude, little high school dude,

I'm getting off either way tonight so I don't even care anymore. Speaking of customers and interactions with the staff, did one of you guys mention interactions with staff and customers and all that? Yeah, we all just did. Yeah, yeah, you kind of have to when you're talking about bartenders and service and yeah.

Did I tell you guys about the time I tried to order a Jack Rose in New Jersey where it was invented? Yes, yes. Oh, okay, well let's go to the break. the time I tried to order a Jack Rose in New Jersey where it was invented? Yes, yes. Oh, okay, well let's go to the break. Well, I mean, I haven't heard it, so Tim, you might as well keep going. Oh, I'm sorry, Tim, you told me about this.

Okay, well, Mike, you can check out, or just you do whatever, maybe adjust your microphone stand. No, I'll try, I can tell you the story for you if you want. Ha ha ha. Jeff, who do you want to hear to tell the anecdote, me or Mike? I think Mike could actually probably do a pretty good job.

You might be able to like tag in back and forth. Yeah. Yeah. Well Mike, feel free to chime in, but basically there, there was a time that, you know, I love New Jersey. I went to the shore a lot as a kid, but a few years ago, before I had ever had a Jack Rose in Louisville, of course you all know, I was at this bar in New Jersey and I was with this great bartender who was like helping, like was just very accommodating and I was like, Hey, is there any local cocktail that was invented around here that I could drink?

And he was like, Yeah, well, there's the Jack Rose. And I was like, Oh, well, it's it what's in it. Because I want to make sure it's all ingredients I've had before, you know. Sorry. You wanted to make sure it's all ingredients you've had before. Yeah. Ingredients I've had before, because I didn't want to like venture into the unknown too much.

I wanted to be comfortable with the drink. So he says, well, there's a layered Applejack. And I was like, yeah, I've had that. I've had that a couple of times. Mine was Laird's by the way. I had Laird's 86. Laird Hamilton's? Mm-hmm.

So I was like, yeah, yeah, I have that. And he goes, well, there's lemon. And I was like, yeah, I've absolutely had that, yeah. And he said, well, then there's grenadine. And I was like, like, it sounds familiar, but like. You hadn't had grenadine at this point? Well, I thought maybe I had, but I was like, how would I know if I've had grenadine?

Because I've heard of it, and I've been drinking all different types of beverages my whole life, but I don't know which ones of them might have grenadine. So I said, like, I don't know. How do I know? Like, we'll put a pin in that one. We'll put a pin in that one. Yeah, how could you know?

Well, I didn't put a pin. I was kind of digging in on this one, actually. Oh, not put a pin in that one. We'll put a pin in that one. Yeah. How could you know? Well, I didn't put a pin. I was kind of digging in on this one actually. Oh, not putting a pin. Digging even harder. Not getting off the grenadine thing. Did you know the bartender recognized the person at all?

No. Or was it just a stranger you've never met? Okay, great. Stranger I've never met. Mike, is this a bartender? Just a regular bartender. You never met him before. He's there to do a job and you're there.

He's not a pop and you're there. He's not a pop singer, rock star. No, but have I mentioned yet who was standing behind me during this whole interaction? Because that's someone I do recognize. I know, you didn't mention anything about anyone standing at any point around you at all, other than the bartender. I didn't give you the full layout, like I should have,

sorry, I should have painted more of a picture of the layout of the room. But I'm facing- Yeah, that's okay. I'm just confused as hell, but I can't imagine what the listener's feeling. I'm facing the bartender who I've never met before. I'm asking, how would I know if I've had grenadine? And he goes, I don't know how you would know if you've had grenadine.

I'm like, well, how would I know? Tap on my shoulder, I turn around, Bruce Springsteen. Whoa! This is humongous news. So I tap on my shoulder, I turn around, Bruce Springsteen. Whoa, Tim, for you especially, that's incredible. It's New Jersey, guys. For you to save this information until now is also wild, too. Well, I wanted to thrill you guys with it. Yeah.

Da da. Also, I wanted to put in a promo cycle. Bruce has Road Diary, the new documentary, it's on Hulu right now, so I wanted to put it in the promo cycle. Bruce has Road Diary, the new documentary is on Hulu right now, so I wanted to help promote that. So I've been saving the story. Road Diary is a road dairy the other day. Has a road diary the other day. Drinking milk on my bike.

Stop with the different road D things you've had. Well, OK, boy, OK, if you have a few more to get out, get him. That's a great story. Thanks so much for sharing. No, no. So Bruce Springs, he tapped me on the shoulder and threw a story. I can imagine where it went from there.

Anyway, yeah, so he had heard us, how do I know if I have a grenadine? Why don't I know? And I turn and I see him like, I'm really starstruck and he go, I was like, Bruce, and he's like, he said, yeah, like I heard what you guys are talking about. And I was like, oh, well, is there any way

that you could help? And he goes, like, maybe I could put it in song. Yeah, how do you know if you've had Grenadine before? Which is so cool for me because I'm such a big fan of his music. He takes out a guitar, he starts to play this song for me. I lunge for my iPhone. Where the hell was that now?

I'm assuming that was in your pants pocket. Back pocket, one back pocket had my wallet and then the other back pocket had my phone. Right. So you're lunging back, you're going to hurt your back that way. Front pocket would have been a quick thing, quick fix. I lunged down through between my legs up over my butt. That's a lunge. That's a lunge.

That's a plunge. I grab it, and I'm thinking, I don't know if I've had grenadine. Bruce is going to help me figure out if I've had grenadine. I better hit record. Scrolling, looking for voice memo app. Where is this? Shazam, Spotify, Venmo.

I hit record, and here's what he says. Have you ever had a Shirley Temple or a dirty Shirley? If you ever had a Roy Rogers, you've had Grenadine. Have you ever had tequila sunrise over a Singapore sling? If you ever had a Jackie Rose, you've had Grenadine. You've had Grenadine. It's a red pomegranate syrup Yeah, grenadine Most popularly made by the brand roses

Grenadine Lots of people think it's cherry But it's not cherry Hahaha Thank you Tim for being my number one fan. When I pass I want you to lead the E Street Band. Oh wow! Damn!

Oh my god! I can't believe, I mean that's better than getting it in writing. You've got an audio tape of him saying that. Isn't that, I forgot about that part. He wants me to take over as the band leader of the E Street Band. Congrats, man. The fact that you haven't brought this up at all is nuts.

And then the fact that you're going to take over the band that you love the most is wild. That is something else, Tim. I'm very excited for you. That's, I guess I buried the lead. I was hung up on like Grenadine and whether or not I had a Grenadine, but right, I'm going to be taking over my favorite band when Bruce dies.

That was good. And you've had Grenadine then, you've checked off, you've had some of those drinks. Right, because I've had all those drinks. He's had all those. Man, imagine Tim Kalkakis and the E Street Band and the Sloppy Boys. Yeah, jeez. Anotheras and the E Street band and the Sloppy Boys. Yeah, jeez.

Another band behind the E Street band? Yeah, no, not later, same time. Yeah. Yeah, usually when you see and it's like a bill. I don't know, I was listening close to what he said. I don't really remember him mentioning the rest of the Sloppy Boys. Let's play it again.

Yeah, you met him. You met the guy. Listen real close. Oh yeah, he mentioned in the background there. That would be cool if one rock star passes away and then he's replaced in his band by three, a different band. Up at the front of the stage, the Sloppy Boys,

and in the back, the E Street Band. I like that. Sometimes they get to name their successor. I feel like Lonely Island sort of knighted the. Good neighbor. Oh yeah. Yeah, and then good neighbor, knighted Please Don't Destroy.

It's sort of like the Dalai Lama, but on SNL. Yeah, they always held a ceremony where they would pass a baton. Yeah. They pass a batonga. Come on. And always pass to a three person video sketch group. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Don't pass it to seven video sketch group. Mm hmm.

Mm hmm. Don't pass it to seven. Too many. It's got to be three. And don't pass it to one. Lauren and I'm don't pass it to one. All right. Let's make a second round of these, shall we? I'm going to try if I have lime juice, I'm going to do the same thing but lime. I'm going to do that's good because you're allowed. I'm going to do the original lime juice, I'm gonna do the same thing but lime. I'm gonna do, ooh, that's good, because you're allowed. I'm gonna do the original recipe, eight parts,

three parts, eight parts, two parts, one part. That makes you want to shut down. Oh, Tim, could you send that out? I want to do that, but I can't. Eight parts, Applejack, two parts, lemon juice, one part grenadine. Okay. I'm gonna have my parts be half ounces.

Mm-hmm, eight, two, my parts be half ounces. Mm hmm. Eight, two, one. That's good. That's good. Oh wait, but that's gonna be a shitload of fucking. Yeah, it's a lot of quarter ounces. Quarter ounces. Okay. Quarter ounces.

Folks, we're going to make round two of the Jack Rose. After this. No, we're going to make it now, but we'll talk to you after this. No, we're going to make it now, but we'll talk to you after this. We'll make them during this. A tablespoon is a half ounce. So a half tablespoon would be a quarter ounce. So that's what I'm going to use as my parts.

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To two. I just did the lime substitution. Same looking nice for me. Let's sip. Stronger. Yeah, that's something that John Steinbeck would drink. Still good though. Maybe it's just because it's round two

and I'm like, it's not so bad. I mean, I like, it's a stiff drink like an old fashioned or a martini. It's like a stiff drink, you know, instead of a sour. It's fantastic. We should mention that we came across the other Layards, which was 100 proof Apple brandy. And we, we decided to go with these as scripted recipe,

just the Apple Jack, which is no slouch in its own, right? It's like 86, right? Yeah, that was mine. It was Layards Applejack 86, and that's what it refers to. And Slop Edge, if you don't have Applejack, I would say you can use normal brandy or calvados or whatever you got. It's not an overwhelming apple taste. If you really think you're like, I guess. Hey, from the Liquor.com recipe of the Jack Rose Ice, clicked on the, what is this called? This is called the Apple Jack rabbit.

It seems like a good one, too. It's the Apple Brandy, lemon juice, orange juice, and maple syrup. That could be a good. Oh, you love that stuff, you little syrup freak. You love that stuff. I'm a little syrup freak. I'd like to get rolled in this stuff.

Sticky boy. I'd like to get rolled in this stuff. OK, so it's more of a kink than a. It's a kink. I want to get I can only get sticky. But this could be a good one for the next. I like kind of putting these similar ingredients together.

That'd be good. That's good. I love that. And it saves the podcast listener from having to do a lot of unnecessary buying. We do this stream of consciousness thing. That's cool. Buying and trying like the sea breeze, baby's combo. Yes. And all the all the sex on the beach variations. That was fun. I just had a funny Laird's memory,

which was that a few years ago, everyone has their own layers. This is last call for everybody's funny Laird's memories. For your Laird's memory. What's your Laird's memory? One time, as an adult, like not too long ago, it was Christmas morning, and my mom made me a, she made me a hot apple cider with a shot of Apple Jack in it and gave it to me. And it was so sweet because it was like,

I know that Tim likes to drink. She doesn't like me getting drunk and she doesn't love that I drink, but she was like, I know that Timmy likes alcohol. So in the morning she made me, she had read online that it's layered to Apple Jack in hot apple cider, it's like a drink. And I'm going to open my presents under the tree

Christmas morning, she hands it to me, take a sip, I was like, whoa, mom! And she's like, it's got layers. And I'm like going to open my presents under the tree Christmas morning, she hands it to me, take a sip, I was like, whoa, mom! And she's like, it's got a layer. And I think that she thought, cause it's Apple Jack, it was okay. Like she thought it was just like schnapps, but it was pretty strong. And it was so funny because I had never been bold enough

to drink on Christmas morning before. And then I was handed to me by my sweet mom. And then from that point forward, like now the Pandora's box is open. And then I was handed to me by my sweet mom. And then from that point forward, now the Pandora's box is open. Christmas morning with a drink is so much more fun. So now I wake up and I'm like, oh mom, where's the lards?

Everybody, if she gave it to you, you're like, drinking on Christmas morning? Wait, have you been, like you look at her mug and your dad's mug and they both like nod like, this whole time? The whole time? The whole time.

Well, we've reached the end of the episode basically. Yeah. But before we close it out, we have to adjudicate, as we do every week. Other than the weeks that Jeff forgets. I thought we were making this whole thing quick or maybe not even happening. I remember last time I was just like,

yeah, just kind of toss it off. Yeah, this time we're drawing it out. All right. Oh, interesting. Mike, your final thoughts, please. You got to submit them. Order again. Tastes great, less filling.

This is great. And I do want to try that apple cider you were just talking about, Tim. Yeah. Yeah, I like this a lot. Tim, your thoughts? Emphatically, stone cold classic, 10 out of 10, order again.

This, to me, is a very good drink. And David Emery's right. I'll put it up there with the Manhattan and the old fashioned and the sidecar. This should be honored as a classic cocktail the way fashioned and the sidecar, this should be honored as a classic cocktail the way that all the other classic cocktails are, it's great. I agree, the same way that cider has given short shrift

around beers, this thing, it's because it's sort of an apple-based brandy, I feel like it's like, it's sideshow material. No more. I think the name is doing it a disservice, though, like Jack Rose is like this should be called like the Apple Jack something or something. Yeah. Like get Apple in there so people know what it is. It's kind of bad branding.

You know, the Apple Jack Rose is fine with me. Apple Jack. Perfect. Perfect. I do like Jack Rose. There's something strong about that that I'm not having to say a fruit thing. It's it does sound like like something like Jack London, Call's something strong about that that I'm not having to say a fruit thing. It does sound like something like Jack London Call of the Wild type, Jack Rose. Jack Rose does sound like an old boxer's name. Or Jack Russell Terrier.

Jack Russell Terrier. That's probably exactly what I was thinking. It's in order again, folks, and this is occasion be damned. Yeah, no appointment necessary. This Yeah. Mm-hmm. No appointment necessary. This drink takes walk-ins. What was the one, Jeff, that you came up with the beginning of this episode was like a one and only or only for one

or something like that? Good for one, fun for one. Good for one, fun for one. Good for one, yeah, fun for one. This is not a fun for one. This is fun for infinity. One of three or four. Get your friends in here, folks.

Yeah, this is kind of like a Toy Story drink, too, because it's fun for infinity and beyond. We already said what a Toy Story drink is. You can't change what that is. I know it's woody and it gives you a buzz. New listeners just joining. That's a toy. Now that's a toy drink. That's our show. Follow us on social media at the Sloppy Boys,

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That's a good one. That's one I forget about but I go to when I remember it. It's like, oh, we've got all the drinks here. You can type in the combos of what you have and it'll give you what sloppy boys drinks and search grenadine that Yes, you can search grenadine And Emmett made that Emmett the slop head made that website Emmett Emmett Emmett Emmett that reminds me of Emmett Otter the lesser-known Henson Christmas special the lesser-known otter. But that's neither here nor there. That special's a real downer. We should do that for a blowout.

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