The Sloppy Boys - 279. Old Pal

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

The guys stir up a variation on the Boulevardier (which is itself a variation on the Negroni) in search of Prohibition-era thrills!OLD PAL RECIPE: 1oz/30ml RYE WHISKEY1oz/30ml CAMPARI 1oz/30ml DRY VERMOUTHAdd ingredients into a mixing glass filled with ice. Stir and strain into a chilled coupe glass. Garnish with lemon twist.Recipe via Harry's ABC of Mixing CocktailsWANT MORE SLOP? Check out:PatreonSHOP the webstore at:The Sloppy Boys WebsiteLISTEN to The Sloppy Boys hit songs on:Apple MusicSpotifyYoutubeTOUR DATES, SOCIALS and more at:LinktreeT H E   S L O P P Y   B O Y S   L L CExpand Ascend Conquer Retain Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey, folks, you know May's coming up, and I know what you're thinking, hey, I got nothing to do in May. Stop that thinking right now. The sloppy boys are going to be going on tour in the South. We're talking about the Southern streak, folks. Jeff, where are we going? Hit them with those dates. Folks, Thursday, May 21st, we're coming to Atlanta and playing a center stage vinyl. The next day, Friday, May 22nd, we're playing Knoxville at OpenCord. And it all comes down to Saturday night. May 23rd, we're playing Nashville, Eastside Bowl. as part of Jorts Fest. Ooh, that's a nice little southern streak.

And that's not all, folks. We're also going on tour two months prior in March. Tim, hit him with those dates. At Los Angeles, March 20th at Zebulon, Phoenix, March 21st at Valley Bar, Salt Lake City, March 23rd at quarters. Denver, March 25th at Marquis. Dallas, March 27th at Texas Tea Room. Houston, March 28th at the White Oak Music Hall upstairs.

And after that, the Southern Streak. Ooh! Folks, don't get it twisted. These are not live podcast recordings. These are high-energy rock and roll party events. Be there! It's the Southern Streak. Featuring Reverend Guitars.

Hey, folks, welcome to the sloppy boys where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love. I'm Jeff Dutton along with Mike Hanford. And Tim Calpacus? What is up? Oh, and where you're a host of sloppy boys. Locked in. You guys locked in? We're locked in.

We're loaded. We're here to talk to the audience. One mono e mono. One last time. Wait, is there only one mono out there for each of us? There's three men listening and three men talking. Yeah, one of them is mono gabian. He's listening to them.

Now, Jeff, I wish I could say I'm locked in ready to podcast, but I can't. My mind is elsewhere because I just watched a wonderful film. Folks, there's a movie called a hilarious comedy coming out called Napa Boys. And, oh, I don't know, did it happen to feature? Mike Hanford, you were very funny in the film. Oh, thank you very much. I do a lot of, I do a lot of hat work. Let's say that a lot. Just enough. Just enough. I'll leave it at that. Take a look at the hat work. It's just a tiny bit of hat work. I'm the odd man out. I haven't seen. You guys have... I know, I don't want to talk about too much.

It's not out yet. So Jeff, I don't want to spoil it for Jeff. But I've gotten some hat work. Yeah, Jeff, I should mention, I only saw it because I'm like a Hollywood insider guy. I'm tapped in. Right, right. I've been tapping on that glass. Nose pressed against the window.

Glass ceiling. You can either be tapped in or tapping on that glass. Yeah. I'm locked in, but I'm not tapped in, it seems. Hmm. We should have a drink called the tap in. Hey, that's not so. bad.

And play tap her. The tappin? Ooh, the tapin's a golf term, too. And the tapin Z is a bridge. Hey, hey, this is, hey, this has got legs, Jeff. See? See how this works on?

I was thinking, what's weird is this film, Napa Boys, you know, starring our friends, Armin, whitesman, and Nick Corrassi.

It's coming in. Directed by them, too. Directed by them, too. And written by them, hey? Wow. I love our multi-haven It's coming to theaters in New York and LA, February 27th, but then the very next day, February 28th, is there any comedy thing happening in the comedy world then? Oh my gosh, Tim.

Of course there is. Mike Hanford is doing his hour-long comedy special. I'm taping a comedy special in Toronto, Ontario, Canada on February 28th. Doing two shows, folks. Come out to that. And speaking of Toronto, that's where I saw Napa Boys. That's where the Toronto Film Festival had it up there. And I saw it up there.

Is that why you're going to do your special up there? It's exactly why. It's all happening north of the border. Toronto, baby, it's time. You're like, I want to return to the scene where laughs have happened before. Like, I've laughed in the scene. Yeah. Well, I was like, I was like, well, this town knows how to laugh.

Okay, this is good. This is good. No, but I saw it in a theater there. And it, folks, see this in a theater if you can. it is a wild time. It's so fun. It's one of those ones where you almost picture like when the Muppets go to the movies and like before the movie, it's just popcorn being thrown around

and people swinging from the rafters. It's that vibe. Oh, there's a chicken jockey. I think chicken jockey. Ooh, chicken jockey. God. Remember what it was all so simple back then? Before six, seven.

But was it even before? Actually, probably at the same time. Yeah. Oh, listen to this. I met a fucking Nets game this weekend. A friend of mine, his buddy had tickets, like really nice tickets, fourth row tickets. And his buddy was out of town and you knew he was a Washington Wizards fan.

So he invited me to go. And it was Kids Day so you could bring those kids with their parents and stuff. And the score at one point, a team had 67. And it wasn't like the place didn't erupted like six, seven. A few kids were doing it. But I thought it was going to be like, Kids day. Let's make six, seven, like the biggest thing.

Because I've seen missed opportunity. I think it's coming gone. I don't know. I've seen TikToks. It's coming gone, I guess. Yeah, probably. Probably because I was doing it and all the kids around me like, you are a fucking loser. And I was like, you fucking see.

I ought to six, oh, you six seven yourself out of here. Speaking of, well, six, seven, chicken jockey. Yeah. I've been hearing a word a lot. Actually, I like this. Sometimes we talk about a community chest, everybody using the same word as a substitute for a joke thing. Like demure.

You remember demure? Certainly I remember demure. This is a word that has been batted around. I've heard it for maybe like more than a few months, but then it has reached the point where it's like part of normal conversation now in the last month or so. But I like the word because I hadn't heard it in a long time. Diabolical.

Oh, yeah. Oh. Well, you know that it's sort of, I don't know if it's, who brought it back, if it's just generally TikToky or if somebody was saying that. It's kind of like how we as kids, like the word awesome used to be, you know, reserved for like a site that was full of awe. And then we started saying it as like, hey, that's cool. That's awesome. I feel like diabolical used to mean like an evil genius is killing people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And now it's just like, somebody ate the last chip that is diabolical. Yeah, if there's some inconvenient mishap, that's diabolical. Yeah. That's good. I mean, I've definitely heard Joel Keeler use diabolical. That's a very Joel Keeler, Chris Van Arceillard. Well, and he has kids. But, like, back in the day, like when he was a kid.

This guy's been using diabolical. This is good because I like when, um, uh, just a good vocabulary word. By the way, that's our college friend that Jeff plays Fortnite with. Take it away, Jeff. Yeah. I was just saying that to shout him out with no regard for any of the other listeners. Like my college friends used, not college, like high school friends.

Just smart kids who would like find a good vocab word and use it. Like that diabolical reminds me of unfortunate. Like people used to just say like, yeah, that's unfortunate. If, uh, instead of something sucks, just that's unfortunate. Are you seeing diabolical, like, in the Instagram sphere or just like in... No, I'm hearing it in conversation. With kids, Mike. That's a fun, it's a nice word, too, because it's got a lot of zigs and zags.

He's in conversation with kids. I was talking to some very young boys and they were saying it. Were they like six, you're like, hey, six, seven? Like, no, no, no. Diabolical. Oh, diabolical. That's cool. That's the conversation, just taking turns to say it.

Hey, kids. What? Six-seven. A, six-seven. Diabolical. Diabolical. Diabolical. Ooh, all right.

See you in six months. You know, I don't know what 20-26 holds for us. If we try to get back into sloppy boys creating hit drinks, maybe there is some sort of diabolical daquiry or something like that so that we're, you know, we're tapped in. Ooh. Damn. Speaking of creating, sloppy boys creating, I'm working on some new music over here. Oh, it's fun.

Using what? It's using the two things God gave me my hands. And my head, actually. No, using guitar and bass at the moment. Wow. That's nice. Great. That's exciting.

I'm trying to write, listen to this, folks, and you two, too. I'm trying to write songs with parts to them, okay? The one I'm working on now is not that. But that's what I'd like to be doing. Parts, you see. Do you have any? You got any stuff? I don't have anything.

I don't have anything recorded. I have a few phrases that I have in my memory. I see, I see. Also, these are far down the line. This is far down the line for anyone to hear it. Far down the line means it's getting almost done.

Yeah. Do you mean the release date is far down the line? It's too far down the line for me to even like be talking about it. I'm just excited about making music is what I'm saying. And I'm trying to get a little more interesting with it. Yeah, yeah. I feel like I've, I don't have any, um, whole songs or any, uh, demos or anything like that.

But I've, I've, I've certainly got some, hold of band. No, I've been making a lot of hold covers. Oh, we don't have a whole songs, Tim. That's already been handled. Yeah, celebrity skin. We guys want to do that one. Whole covers like an earmuff.

Oh, my God. God. I need to cut it out. I'm in this creative mode. I told you. Just choose one or the other. Hold covers. You get to have one joke.

You can't say them both. You can't wait and just say them both. That's what I need to do with my songwriting. I need to cut things out. I've got too much in these songs. But Tim, you're saying you got a song or you got a demo or what? Oh, no, no.

Like, I've got like just going into the notes app, I've got like a song title or even or even like, you know, hear a song by an artist. and it's like, oh, we should do a song that's like that, you know, like, that's one of those. Or like, you know, you notice like two or three songs that are kind of doing a thing and they're like, oh, maybe it's time for our version of that. I'm picking up on a pattern. Yeah. I got a little demo-y.

It's just a beat. But, you know, I was going to save it for like a memos and demos type thing, but I could play a little thing I'm working on. It's got some reverend guitar on it. Just now? And you're going to bring, you're going to bring the listener into the fold? Yeah, I mean, like, normally I'm so protective of my. But nothing matters anymore This is

That's exciting Oh, vibe I'm vibing I'm viving It's going for like a Magdalena Bay type thing Oh Jefferson I'm in Miami

Yeah Now I got a top line this bitch But this would be sort of your Like chorus A verse coming up A verse coming up The little drops out a little bit Oh

Oh Now that's not the actual Rosenstock synth. That's just an old software synth. Is any of this part of your, the new setup? No, guitar though. Plenty of reverend guitar. Ooh. I could tell it was reverend. It's got that precise sound. Yeah, it's good. It's a reverend. Check this flute out. Oh, Jefferson. Ooh. And then stacked them again. Thick flutes. Oh, yeah. Watch out, Andre 3,000. A little more reverence.

How'd you do those flutes on the, on a keyboard? That's just a sample that I like chopped up a whole bunch. You know how the, I think it was Eric Clapton. They told the BGs, when their sound was outdated, he told the BG's, guys, you guys got to just go to Miami and record your album in Miami and it'll be good. And then they made a disco album and it was great. I feel like just based on this that we should,

if Badger Bev's maybe wants to send us to Miami on a surf trip. Hey, why don't people surf in Florida? No, no, no, no, no. The shores of Abiza. That's where the music is. The music is being made that we need to see here. Abiza. Every time we have an idea, we just bat our eyes at Badger Bev's.

That's how this works now. We have an idea. We were thinking about doing an episode about meatballs. Can we go to Italy? We should flat out put Badger Bev's on the cover of our next album. It's like the Slobie Boys, Badger Bevv. And they see it. Guys, we didn't ask you to do that.

We sort of have this frot, codependent relationship with Badger Badger. I don't think they want to be on our album cover. No, they don't like us or want us at all. Remember that episode of Tenacious D where they get their first fan, Lee, and they're like, oh, he's creepy. But then they become obsessed with him because they're so happy to have a fan. Yeah, yeah.

They're stalking him. I feel like that we're the first people ever to get a sponsor. And then we're more excited about this. the relationship than the brand is. And there's one rep that like just does have to kind of keep the relationship going. Yeah. And he's like, hey guys, sorry. I missed your last 200 texts. But yeah, just catching up here.

But you guys are dropped. Any other brand would just cut it off. Yeah. They're still nice to us to get back. Jeff, that was a cool, that was a cool, man. Yeah, that's great. That's fun and funky and, ooh, low key. It's, you know what it's, I also,

there's, what's fun is I want to pitch you stuff, but I'm more guarded. I don't even want to say. I've got, you know, I don't want, I don't want to say in front of everybody. Well, we could do it in the studio. We don't have to do it on pod. Perfect. We're a band. First and foremost.

Let's use studio time for like actually hitting record just because it's going to be so expensive in there. Jeff, you said top line. What does that mean? You said still needs a top. All right. That's, top of the line. That's, that's, that's what you. you'd call, like, in the music industry proper, there's a lot of people who just, like,

will make beats and then they give it to writers to kind of come up with, like, the hook or the top line melody. Oh, I didn't know that term. In this case, you've made this beat. It's beautiful. Then you bring in me and Mike and we sing, hey, I want to drink a beer tonight. Exactly. And I say, pass.

What does Lady Gaga have? Oh, my favorite lady. But I bet you that's what, I wouldn't be, you know, there's, there's people who are known as good top line writers. Like, and they, you know, a lot of times they get, they get paid, very well paid. If you end up doing, uh, and I'll tell you when I'll see you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, well, that's really interesting to think about working that way because I, so much of the music industry is, especially like hip-hop.

It's like producers pitching their beats to rappers. And the, the rapper has the power and the producers. hoping to make a sale. But it's interesting if you are the producer. And then you have, like, I'm sure that, um, Zed. Is that, uh, I'm sure that when like Marin Morris, uh, you lost me. You had me at Zed. You lost me on Marin Morris.

She sings on a big Z song, but I'm, I'm sure that like Zed was like hearing people's, like people were sending their vocal takes of, the song and I bet they were pitching to, I bet the Zed was, was the one making the decisions, you know? Oh, the middle. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. Also, Missy Elliott used to essentially be like the co-writer topliner for like Timblein songs. So Timblin would come up with like, me, me, meo, meo, meo, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, and then she would come in with and spit bars. Oh. Oh, oh, top-line is. Could also just be singing.

Yeah, coming up with like the idea, the chorus, the top-line melody. Hmm. Hmm. Mm-hmm. Remember, I talked probably behind the paywall over and the blowout about that song, Um, uh, adore you by Miley Cyrus. Um. Not the Harry one?

No, no. Miley Cyrus track one on bangers where she heard the song like an artist that was writing for her had made a version of the song and her version was really good but then when Miley heard it she wanted it so bad that Miley recorded a demo singing it to pitch

to this lady in order to be like please let me have your song like listen to how good my voice is on and that when that other artist heard it she was like yeah okay you can have it that's cool i like hearing like band uh songs that almost went to uh one artist going to another one yeah uh i guess a lot of justin timberlake's first album was intended for michael jackson michael jackson was sort of like i kind of already did this stuff

so lucky break for old j t using his using his real voice hey i kind of already did this stuff kid hey kid i kind of did this already smoking a cigar what i mean i kind of did this already See Bubbles on the way out. I just saw something that Bubbles is 40. Wait, Bubbles is like the secretary? He works for Michael? Yeah, Bubbles gets you paid to. No, Bubbles is the monkey,

and I just saw an Instagram post a couple weeks ago. Bubbles is 42. He's living down in Florida somewhere. I'm 42. I love, live up in LA. Hey, you're like Bubbles the monkey. That's awesome. Yeah.

It's nice we all know Bubbles. You know what's a, A song swap that I always think of is, Hit Me Baby one more time was written for TLC and they passed out. Right. It's funny thinking about those. I like also hearing about movie casting that didn't happen. My favorite being that Bad Boys at one point was John Lovitz and Dana Carby.

But that's also like, it's not like if they were cast it, it would have been the Will Smith version, like what they did, but with John Lovett's trying to be like Mr. Tough guy. It was probably like a comedy version and whatever. Sure. But that's also funny to think of like, if they did hit me baby one more time, it wouldn't be like,

bam, bam, bang, oh, yeah, yeah. Like, it would have its own TLC. Yeah, right. TLC's thing. It would have its own thing. Yeah, it would be like, don't go chasing one more time. It's funny.

I, uh, you know, that song Armageddon on lobby boys I actually wrote that for the foo fighters and you had

no way in getting couldn't get it couldn't get to yeah let's write our next album for Michael Jackson

you know I wrote I wrote everything Zen that Bush song for you guys and then they ended up taking

I'll take it their hands on that I don't know the timeline's a little fuzzy on that one everything's Zan. Well, you want to get into some booze news?

Yes, I do. Bip Bip Bip Bips! You get it. Just a sloppy blue. Give it time. Oh, yeah. I will give it time. I will give it time.

It's a slow down. Head on. It feels gorgeous. I like, I like vapor wave. I like the idea of it. Like when I go out and see it like, I don't listen to it for that long. Yeah, I get that.

You very rarely will have a vapor wave thing on and just have it on in the house or something. Give it time. Vaporwave was sent to us by Pagan Rage. And if you have a booze news team, email it to the sloppy boys podcast.g.com. Hey, pagan rage. That's really great. You know, it's this funny thing where you take what we say and you slow it down and it sounds like you're mocking us. That was, yeah, I was just thinking you could have like Einstein talking about the theory of relativity slow dives like this fucking idiot.

It's funny though in a vapor wave song to hear you being like, I like the idea of vapor wave. It's like it's an idiot talking like trying to find what he's the point he's trying to make. Oh, that was good. If anybody wants to hear more talk from us about vapor wave, chill wave type music, subscribe to The Sloppy Boys Blowout and listen to our chillest song episode

at patreon.com slash the sloppy boys. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, for Booz news, I was going to do something sort of interesting. Is that okay?

God, I hope you do. Tim, wow me. I think I might. I might actually. Do you know our good friend actor comedian Alan McLeod, molasses boy? Yes. We've got to get him on the pod, but he has a wonderful podcast. I've been a guest on it.

It's called Walking About. And it's sort of a Hewelhouser Rick Steve's walking show where you pick a root. Comedians will walk. I did, I went up Hillhurst up into Griffith Park here in Los Phila's. I highly recommend the show, especially my episode, but recently, I'm a big fan of KCRW host Evan Kleinman. She has a show slash podcast called Good Food, and it's an LA-based food show. Alan had Evan Kleinman on the show, and she is born and raised in Los Phila. So I was like, I got to listen to this app.

And something she said on that episode is sort of totally off top. but it caught my ear. Jeff hit this. We lived in a duplex that was down the street here. And that was nice because we had a backyard. I used to run out there and throw my Brussels sprouts over the fence into the neighbor's yard. I assume over time you came to appreciate Brussels and you weren't hiding and throwing away. one of the reasons everybody loves brussels sprouts so much now is because the variety changed it was made to be less bitter

the kind i grew up with was filled with bitterness now i said hey that's interesting because you you always that was a classic old thing of like kids hate brussels sprouts but i feel like our generation like loves them and there's your answer but it reminded me of i was running my fat trap a couple weeks ago when we had Bridger Wieniger on the show. I was talking about bananas. And I feel like we have discussed this many times in the pod and never actually Googled it about how banana flavored things are a very distinct taste. Based on a breed of banana that doesn't exist anymore, we said. Right. We said that we had heard that the flavorists, the reason that banana candy, and we were talking specifically about banana runts.

Banana candy tastes different than bananas. It's not that the flavor is fucked up, but that back in the 50s when the flavorists were developing, that it was a different strain of banana that did taste like that. And I said it was, I told Bridger it was McTavish bananas back in the day. So between now and then, I went on a little bit of a deep dive into the foods that I eat. And when would this have been, when would these like flavorists have been working on this? Did we ever have a date?

Like when they used to taste like something else? Like when bananas taste is different. Do we have a different? 50s. 50s. Wow. The switch is 1960. Gotcha.

Okay, go ahead. So I looked into it and turns out, I got the name wrong, but yes, basically the bananas we have now are called Cavendish bananas. but we used to have Gromichelle bananas, which is French for Big Mike. Wow. Gras Michel. I'll tell you what, Tim, if I was a little, if I was much better in doubt,

I would call myself La Grande Michel. Much better. Now, how much better? Le Petit Michel. Okay. Long. Oh, listen to this. So according to America,

test kitchen. In the 1800s, Dole and Chiquita were importing these Gromichelle bananas. And then in the 1950s, those bananas were wiped out by a fungus. Oh. And like there was an...

Like the last of us. There was a, yeah. There was an infestation much like the Washington apple shot where there was some story about how like some bugs made all the apples run and then the guy fell into a pile of rotten apples and got in his own apples. And some got in his own.

mouth. He fell into a pile of apples. And some got in his mouth. Any story where some where a food fell into somebody's mouth is probably not. He fell in. So since about

since the 1950s, we've had these Cavendish bananas. But I found an article in Epicurious where a writer named Brandon Summers Miller talks about how so old recipes like Betty Crocker style dessert recipes back in the day

might be a little bit off and skewed because they were designing these recipes based on the old bananas. So he wanted to, as far as like bacon goes, he was looking into this banana thing. He found a fruit retailer called Miami fruits that has access

to the big mic bananas from back in the day. Wow. Whoa. Man, how little do you need to have going on in your life to be like, wait a minute, wait a minute. None of these Betty Crocker your recipes make sense anymore.

We gotta go back and fix them. Like you made a like a bet. We're going to Miami. A Betty Crocker banana cream pie and then you taste and you're like, this can't be right. Oh, I have so much to do now. This is disgusting. It must be the bananas tasted different when this recipe was made. Speaking of recipes and bananas, now our little toeheaded friend here, Jefferson D. Denton,

made a, I happen no made a banana bread the other night. How did it turn out, Jeff? Jeff. I did. I did. I had some bananas. They're getting a little brown. Not proud of that. Normally, I clear them out before that point. But for banana bread, that's a lot. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, but I'm saying I like to chop them. Yeah. So I had some brown guys. threw them in the fridge because then you get a couple more days out of them, right? You get them in the fridge. And they start to look nasty. You peel them. They're okay. Now, I was hoping that these would be a little more brown on the inside. But no, they were just like perfect bananas. Not great. great for bread. Anyway, so I'm there mashing up cold banana. Really, really tough to make a banana bread with cold butter and cold bananas. These bananas are too old to eat, but too young to bake with. It was Fubar, man. No, because they were frozen at this point. So now you really got a mush and mash. Just cold, you know. But all went great. It was delicious. But I did get that thing where like the

bread is just a little soggy in the middle, not cooked enough. I like that rather than toss some bananas, which costs 12 cents, you were like, no, no, I'm going to, I got to make a banana bread. That's cool. That's a brain malfunction, Tim. I should just be tossing. It's a brain function. I can't waste.

I was like, well, I got to do something. I'm beholden to these bananas. You should, Tim, you should start a restaurant. It could be the, the Calbee's hideaway. And hire Jeff is your head chef because he has to, you know, do the inventory and portion out all the stuff. He won't cook, of course. Tim has so many.

better friend options for head chef. Yes, yes. No, they'll be head chef, but you'll be, but your duty, Jeff, will just be to know what we have and where it goes. I got a lot of chef friends, Jeff, but they're letting the bananas go bad. They're throwing them in the garbage.

They're not making bananas. That's what I'm saying. Now Tim's losing 12 cents a day. That adds up. Pretty soon, the tiger room can't afford new upholstery for the tiger seats. That's true. And also bananas are good for the tiger.

room because it's got that whole Hemingway World Traveler thing. Yeah, yeah. And those seats are really getting blasted out by my patients, my patients, my clients, patients. Yeah, that's right. I treat a bartender like a therapist sometimes. There you go.

Yeah. In that, I don't tell them jack shit. Are you your therapist's patient? Am I Heather's patient? I thought I was Heather's client. I think with, yeah, a therapist has a patient. I always get into a hospital gown.

I think the therapist would rather say patient than client because it makes them feel like it's just a transaction. And they want to give the illusion that they are helping people. You don't think they really do. Not me.

Yeah, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, yeah, yeah, you've always had that lip problem. Yeah. My therapist every time says, go to a lip special. Shut the fuck. and stop doing that with your finger.

It would make that noise if you didn't do it with your finger. Without the finger, it's just you going, eh. Let's sit in silence for a couple minutes, for the rest of the session. Well, is that for booze? No, no, no. I have to land this shit. Oh, okay, okay. This writer that got, remember he got the rare fruit from Miami fruits?

Yeah, yeah. He got the old-timey bananas. He wrote an article about it. He tasted them side by side, new banana and old banana. And he said when he's eating them raw, he said, you know, the old banana style is a little firmer. And then when you bite into it, it's maybe got a certain creaminess to it. And then maybe the flavor lingers a little longer. But he said it was very subtle.

And he said it didn't taste crazy different from our Cavendish bananas. But then when he cooked. No, let him cook. He made a bunch of desserts. And he says in his article, he says, in his article, he made banana pudding and he said the banana pudding tasted distinctly of banana runts, yellow runts. That's the taste.

So it's the cooked. Wow. It's the big Mike. We like that. Not only different strain, but different strain cooked equals runt. There you go. That's it. But maybe that's what people are always talking about and they just assumed we knew that like,

oh, once cooked and a bread, then it's one flavor. well, it is weird when you eat runts. It's shaped like a yellow banana, but then it's supposed to be tasting like a cooked banana. So that's why our brain is so far off from the real thing. You know, we're thinking of law. Also, we're thinking it was wrong. And also, who's seen a runt in the last five years?

I haven't come across runts in the wild. I fucking love runts. Well, and the ones I have come across are not, like, I had like knockoff ones that were flavors were all over the place. sizes were different. They didn't, they didn't, uh, melt away with the same consistency. No, these were not ruts. I think it's the bananas that put runs out of business. Hey, you might be right. I like the bananas. I like runs in general. I'm going to see if I can get some runs. You know, it's funny they had the bananas, the oranges, obviously the, uh, but what was,

there was like a heart shape? Was that just a heart? Strawberry. Ah, strawberry. So then the red one was cherry? Oh, God, I don't know. Red must have been cherry. Red was my fave. Back in Thut. Jay, I liked orange. Jeff, I liked orange. I liked orange tic-tac. All right.

He's in it for booze news. Wrap it up. She just gave up on whatever he was searching. Just give me the fuck out of here. Props to mealing for filling in that Gallagher clip from last time on last episode. What's the way, wha, whew, um, what's the. drink of the day, fellas. The old pal you've had?

No. I've not had. Not had nor heard. Do you remember about a year ago or so, we were paling around with famed bartender Dale de Groff in Rhode Island? I don't know if it ever made its way to our table, but I know that one of the drinks he wanted to make for us was an old pal, and that was the first that I had heard of it. But this drink is a Nogroni variation. we know

I mean, hey, the Nogroni itself came from the Americano. Everybody knows that. Right, obviously. But Nogroni is gin,

Campari, sweet red vermouth, yes? Yes. And that was invented by Count Nogroni in Florence, Italy.

But then, if you swap the gin, for whiskey as a back in 1920s Paris, the movable feast gang there was a guy writing

for Boulevardier magazine who swapped the gin for whiskey and then that became the boulevardier which we've done we've done Boulevardier that was a good I remember yeah

I feel like there was even a song about it or something that crazy there had to be Boulevardier I like that we learned the term Boulevardier is like a guy back in the day of day

who would get all dressed step on a Friday night and just go walking around town. Hey. A gadda, a gadabout I think of. I think of the word of gadda about. So now basically, this is a drink where if you took a boulevardier and you swapped that sweet red vermouth for dry vermouth,

you would now you're up with an old pal, which the name comes from there's, there was a sports writer in Paris in the 20s. He was writing for the New York Herald. His name was William Sparrow Robinson. And I guess this is the kind of affectation was he called everybody Old

Pal. And between saying Old Powell all the time, he said, here's the drink I invented when I fired the pistol the first time at the old Powder Hall foot races. And you can't go wrong if you put a bet down on one third Canadian club, one third Italian vermouth, one third Campari. Um, so he said Italian vermouth, which is not. That's not what we're going to. That's not what we're doing. That's a boulevardier. Is that the red vermouth, the Italian vermouth? Yes. Yeah, Redsuit.

French is the dry. Also, Tim, I meant to ask, what kind of sports do we have back in the 20s and you answered my question, the foot race? Yeah. I was imagining like, yeah, it's like bull fighting and just kind of Hemingway shit. Pugilists. Yeah. Bull fighting and, uh, fudelists. fighting. The two things we had going on back then. People fighting. Dog fighting. People fighting.

And horse racing and then raising. Human raising. Yeah, it's funny that that's a sports writer. This drink then falls into the hands of Harry Macalone from the famed Harry's New York

bar in Paris. Not to be confused with Harry Craddock of the Savoy Hotel in London. and Harry puts, you know, the recipe changes a little bit. And then he puts it in his very, very, very famous book, The ABCs of Mixing Drinks, and that's the recipe we're going to do today. ABC.

One third Canadian whiskey. One third French vermouth. One third compari. And because there's no citrus in this drink, we're going to stir it. We're going to strain it. We're going to serve it up. Stir it, strain it, no ice, nothing. Not even in the ice and the stirring.

Oh, oh, sorry. Sorry, no. Stir with ice. Stir with ice. Gotcha. Got you. I missed that. Oh, and I'll, before we go off to make the drink, I'll just remind you.

Remember on top of our hotel in Zurich when we went to on our Zomot trip, said Campari, the Kampari logo right on top of it. Loved it. That's beautiful. That was like a nice neon too, right? Not just a normal sign, a big fat neon. Yeah. It almost looked like it was like made built with the building.

like it was my dream advertising was built into the architecture we should have got up there with some drills and stuff and made it say badger bells i was up there just swinging swinging at it with a hammer and they were like get down sir all right do we go make these drinks we'll come back and sip a sip an old pal with two old pals yes each each host has two old pals okay folks we'll be right back with more sloppy boys after this half on the back. You know what I noticed? I got myself a nice little...

Oh, Jeff, your hair. Jeff, you like pulled your hair out to the side or something. No, no, it's cool. It's cool. That was good. That was good. Sorry, go ahead.

This isn't good either. This isn't good either. This thing, I'm using a coop glass. You know a coop glass. I know a coop glass. Now, the coop glass basically has a coaster. attached to the glass. You don't need a coaster

for a coupe glass. You see what I'm saying? Oh, the coaster. I mean, any cocktail glass, martini glass too, yeah. Because of the stem, I put it, normally I put a coaster to protect my wood from condensation,

but with the stemmed glass, I guess if it's chilled, you would get condensation down bottom. No, you're not, you're, yeah, I still got condensation on this. Folks, don't put, do not put this on your nice oak unfinished oak table.

Well, you're really good at chilling glasses, Mike. Yeah, I chill. These things are chilling. They're never not chilling. Um, well, as we take first tips, let me say that, um, this is my first time and a long time having a fresh bottle of Dolan cold cracked just for this drink. Ooh, nice. Shall we? First sips. Tim, did you hear my thing about the Dolan? Say it again. Fresh Dolan, fresh for moot for me. I'm making up for my past sins. I'm proud of you. I've got my Dolan that is within the, it's been in the fridge and it's only been there for for a few weeks, so I'm good, too. Nice.

Sips. Sips. Hmm. Oh. Okay. Quite ashy. This is, it is funny. This is,

Nogroni is where I tasted that was the first ashy. Yeah. Are you using that same? It's, you had Lexardo brand's version of Kampari? No, this is, this is, uh,

oh, wow. The hotel, the hotel brand. Oh, I could have used, I could have used the, um, the Luxardo Blanco, Bianco. Bianco. I'll tell you what, this could use a big fat Luxardo cherry in it. Ooh.

Yeah, you're doing a weird, got a pervy sniff on it now. Man, that's a little weird. It's kind of like a rat sniff. Like, don't do that. Uh, we don't want to see that. Don't do anything like that. Don't do anything ever. As I was mixing this up, I was like, I mean,

Yeah, this ingredient is never one I'm really reaching for. And neither is this ingredient. And neither is this third ingredient. So I'm really kind of hoping for these to like alchemize into something that I like. Yeah. It's not bad. This has a definite, like, feel for me. We kind of had some drinks to pick from today.

We're like, which much do we do? My vote was for this one because it feels very cold weathery to me. It feels like a wintry drink, the same way in old fashion. or Manhattan does to me. It's got that kind of whiskeyish taste vibe to it. Some heat. It sort of hangs in the throat. It's a breathy one. Yeah, it burns. You know, folks, you like a drink that hurts a little bit? No, I'm not, are you, I'm not, I'm not, burning is not, I would say this is more of a, uh, I'm getting instant heart burn off this. Really? Yeah. No, I'm doing, I'm doing all right. It must be all the Super Bowl pizza.

So, Mike, you are getting ashyness, but you're okay with it. I've come to accept it, I think, or know that it's coming. Well, so I like hearing that you're coming around on the Kampari. What's funny is, you know, dry French vermouth has definitely been a stumbling point for us on the pod. But I remember, the reason I was just buried in my mobile was I was trying to remember. I think I got kind of mad at you, Mike, because it was one thing that you liked, and I was like, you like it.

And I was looking, it wasn't the scoffla. It was, Neil Campbell was on to do the Lusitania. And that was a warm drink that was, it was like brandy, dry vermouth and absence. And then we were giving a rating at the end. You're like, order again. And I was like, you're going to, you're going to have a warm, nasty, nasty drink.

I was probably just trying to impress our guests. I remember his eyes were widened. He still texted me. He's like, damn, remember that fucking grade you get? You said, Origena, Felicania, dude. You're fucked up. I certainly struggle with the, we had it recently in a scoffla and I was cool with that drink.

But the sweet red vermouth is just, I mean, a Negronia is so good, of Gullivardi is so good, is kind of tricky to swap out what is one of the tastier ingredients. But Nogroni, isn't Nogroney one that, like, did not fare well on this show? Correct. Right.

Both times. When we revisited it live in Portland, it didn't do well. Right. And I like them, but I was kind of proven wrong. Live in Portland, the audience was with you guys. They said... I remember they picked you up by your pantaloons and threw you out the door. Yeah, my fault for wearing such loose pantaloons on that thing.

Yeah. With all those, it was like had so many. like hammer slots holders so everyone can get a grip on you. Yeah, and I, my luggage. There was an easier way to see. No, I think that was economical. Did you like the long pause and the stumbling too? Mike, you got to get this out of your system before.

February 28th, a comedy bar in Toronto. Ooh, folks, don't even worry about that because I've got this set down so smooth. It's so smooth. No, the Ron Thomas is going to be there. You were saying you want to add one new joke about like hammer holders and pantaloons maybe? No, I just can't get the wording right. Is that making it in? Yeah, I don't know. It will once I get the wording right.

It's because the idea, the premise is there. It's the wording. So Tim is the lone champion of the Nogroney here on the show. That's interesting because that's a hot drink. People, supposedly people love the Nogroni. I like it for the reason that oh geez, this week on the pod, the blowout, we're discussing

best meal in a movie and people should really subscribe and hear mine because what I'm going to say about this drink is like with a nagroney there's the taste, yes, there's a taste, but there's also the context. And I like thinking of Paris in the 20s cafe culture. I'm trading ideas with you like thinking of that stuff meanwhile Jeff and I over here we're thinking about Rome baby yeah and me the future

we're thinking about Rome and we're asking the women our lives about the birds they saw that's very kind of you we're good partners Tim I'm remembering all the meme stuff um but yeah Mike you say that I um I hear you when you that whiskey strikes you as a cold weather drink, but there's also, you know, sometimes you're sitting around a sticky summer day and you have some whiskey, you know, Southern Sipper. Yeah.

Oh, yes, that's right. That's true. Southern Sipper. But it is like, it does, it feels to me a wintry thing. Same thing with the Southern Sipper. You're kind of slowing down. You're kind of watching the world go by with a whiskey. Or reflective, yes.

As opposed to like, Vaca bottle service, We're doing shots, tequila. That's right. Shah, shah, shah, shots of gin. But, you know, the other ones sort of invite more party vibes to me, to me. Also, it has been so cold around here in New York for like, you know, we had that big snowstorm. And the snow, it has just been freezing cold, like in the single digits for weeks and weeks. And the snow ain't going anywhere, folks.

It's just there. Mike, you got to come to L.A. Mike, it's been 85 and gorgeous. It's been inordinately gorgeous. Kind of weird. 85 and gorgeous. Can we not talk about my girlfriend for two seconds? I'll tell you, if I could find a woman who is, you know, 510, C cup or higher, long legs, doesn't need a BBL, you know, that type of look, who's also 85, boys, I'm getting married.

Yeah, because she has that wisdom. And then also if she had not a wrinkle in sight, you know, energetic. Smooth as a melon and also rent controlled penthouse. Yeah, right. And subscription to Penn House. She's cool. Well, I'm going to start telling people I have a subscription of Penthouse.

I got to get home. My penthouse is coming. I can make sure that gets in the front door. about that name. That's a great name for a magazine. Like Playboy was trying to do like the Playboy Club. But then Pennhouse like, yeah. It's like mad and cracked a little bit. We're like, you're mad. You're crazy. And like cracked is like, oh, a little cracked. The Pennhouse thing is so funny because like we or I heard Pennhouse more so as as the magazine. You know, my, upbringing wasn't involving Pennhouses as much. And now what I hear like or just in the world to see

Penhouse or hear penhouse are like, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oftentimes, like, the CEO will be at the penthouse or, like, the, you know, you have to deliver a package to the penhouse. Uh-huh. You know, it's funny that a playboy penhouse, like there's a, you know, it's a, it's a, it's

rich, it's lofty. Yeah, that point was, who just made that point? Tim, you know what I'm saying? Like, what are, uh, some others like? I can't, I can't think of another one. Oh, oh. Oh. Uh, high society.

was one. Club. Club magazine is like... Are you for real? These are magazines? Yes, I think. I was thinking, cockpit. Hmm? That's a magazine? Is that a magazine? No, I'm making one off.

Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, cockpit. I mean, it's got cock in it, but also it's like it's sort of, you know, you're high up in the air, like a penthouse. That's good. And it's like an armpit. You're in command, you know? it's like an armpit Mike you're running things no it's not no take delete that one you know I was doing

something good yeah bleep Mike um hustler I think it's interesting in in general that like words that it was uh cool barely legal uh Tim go yeah that totally fits I've had a lot of people listeners an hour wishing this episode was barely audible Don't listen then, folks. Wait, Tim, you're going with someone with that? I was just going to say, it's weird that it was ever cool. Back in the day, people wanted to be sort of like,

like, I guess, like, stately, like old money, stately, and, like, receded from life was, was comfortable. But now, even if you're rich, it's like you want to be, like, partying and young and dancing, you know, like, no one's impressed if you're like, I'm all tucked away. On a shelf. On my ivory shelf.

I'm gone. I'm out of the rat race. Ooh, that'd be good. One that's like a sort of racy man called rat race. Ooh. Yeah. You do the opposite. We're in the streets with the vermin, baby.

Rat race. But if it's for finance bros, but it's down dirty. It's the flip. Oh. Flip it on them. That's good. It's funny trying to come up with. come up with names for magazine, physical magazines.

Did you hear the sloppy boys came out with a print magazine? A print porno magazine? Oh, why did they do that? Did they sell any? No, no, no, no. No, they got so rich off that Badger Bev deal. They had nothing but money in spare time. Does it count as rich, you know, Badger Bev's they didn't pay us cash.

They sent us on a trip, so we're rich with experience, you know. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Hey, and we get all the tonic water we want for life. Yeah. For life. Yeah, that's for life, right, Badger? Yeah.

On my deathbed, I'm going to text JD from Badger and be like, can I get some of the sparkling grape? His last words was that he wanted to sparkling grapefruit badger. He wanted to make a polooma, I guess. When he died, he sounded like a Model T. Cartoon version, of course. A sentient cartoon Model T that can. talk and it covers up his eyes,

headlights with his, oh, tires, front tires. Yeah, yeah. He sputters and gasps and... Sure, sure. Drinks gas. He drives, um, he drives Robert,

Roger Rabbit around. Stop. What are we going to do differently on these? I think I'm, I'm going to try to see what type of cherry drop I can do. I don't think I have cherries, though. Grenadine. I'm swapping to sweet red and having a bull of RDA so that I can,

um, judge. so you can enjoy your life. Yeah, I was going to say this needs just like a healthy dollop of simple syrup or something for my for my weak city boy palate. This is just a little too, a little too like hateful aid of a drink for me. I'm going to dry for milk.

There's really no sweetness in this thing. It's the dryest drink. Bitter and dry. I'm going to, I'm going to cut the Kampari in half and do other half grenadine. Oh, shing shing. Very smart.

All right, folks, we're going to go fix these drinks. And when we come back, more of the sloppy boys. I wanted to keep within the spirit of the drink. I didn't change too much. I just added ice. You added ice and I just did a splash of grenadine to preserve the red color, which was maybe the only thing I liked about the version one. Yeah, I did pull back on the Campari and the vermouth as well.

and added crinidine. We should make a drink that just has like red 40 or some food coloring in it. So it's just like vodka and red 40. I've made this too sweet now. I think you could dial it up or down though. Like I think it's a good move. You still get that Kampari bitter grit. Tim, how's your tweak?

I made a boulevardier. I switched my vermouth to sweet red and this fucking delicious. Better than a nagroni. Oh. head of the groaning he says this is one of those damn drinks that just feels like it feels

like an old time drink like out of like the thin man or something like when you see a movie where it's or read a book where it's a guy who's going out and every single stop he makes he has a drink this feels like that era of just like yeah we had a couple

old pals and then went uptown where I got beat up and then had more of gin and tonic. We need to watch the thin man because it played at the vista and I wanted to go with Neil but then I was out of town. But it's the,

they make a big meal of the Nick and Nora glass, I believe. I used to watch the thin man all the time when I shared a room with Mike Hanford. And Jeff, you will be seeing that thin man again because I'm hitting the gym daily these days. Me too.

I'm in there. Just to get thin. Are you doing Jack by June? I'm always doing Jack by June. Kind of on a Jack by always. Yeah, but starting in Feb, that's a good run-up to Jack by June. I think we get there by June. Tim, you in?

I like when Mike was saying the thin, man. I would like to get real thin in the skeletal and have everyone be worried about me. But I don't want to be musseling. I don't think that must be mussel. Like, if I had to be. like pecks and buys and tries. I don't think it fits my personality. You've mentioned this.

You do well with the big barrel chest. You got a, you got kind of an old-timey look to yourself there, Tim. A barrel? Maybe I should wear a barrel with suspenders. Yeah, that's good. Or one of those weights that's just a big ball on either side.

You know, like an old-timey weightlifter. Yeah, yeah. Put a barrel. You wear a barrel, maybe put a bag over your head. That would help a lot of people. Nope. People in my neighbor are like, this is fantastic. Property values are going up. Hey, why am I having such a good day

all of a sudden? Don't you think it's weird when there's some comedy guy you haven't seen around in a bit and he was a twerp and then you see him and he's wearing a tight black t-shirt and it's one of those podcast coupon code t-shirts where it's like the... Buck Mason? Yeah, the sleeves are

hugging the bicep, like they're tight, tight t-shirts there. It's like forgiving around the punch and tight around the bison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when I see like specifically like that type of look in in a tightish t-shirt on a comedy writer I haven't seen in a little while. I'm like I'm like I mean good for him. I guess if he accomplished a goal.

But like the only way I would only work out to like for longevity. So go ahead, Tim. Yeah. It's great. I start and then I live to like 300 years older. Oh my. You did it. Yeah.

I'm not necessarily looking. I'm not lifting weights to bulk up, but I've been, as I'm going to the gym and doing the stretches and stuff like that, I have been noticing, and I'm making it a goal of mine too.

Like when I sit, not doing the like, ugh, just like. The sound? Like doing better with just like the mobility stuff with like, hey, I'm getting up.

It's not an event. Yeah. But I do notice what I'm like, you know, if I have to like bend down to get something that fell under the fridge or something. I'm like, oh, look at me. I'm right down and right back up. I'm like moving. Like the stuff of your brother was telling us about, Tim, just like getting your body away to be like, you know what?

If I do some athletic activity, I'm not going to like fuck myself up for the next week. That's really good because I do plenty of lifting, but still, anytime I get into or out of a car or pick up something, pick up something from the ground, I'm always like, oh. That's no good. here. There's like TikTok sketches that are super cuts like, it's like your dad doing anything. And it's just, who?

Yeah. Who? Oh, Jesus. There's an Instagram, TikTok guy who I like, he used to be in my algorithm a lot. Now,

his name is Nick something or other. I think it begins with a D. But he does like, he's like, the dad. And he's just like this New Jersey guy who has like an Italian accent. And he just does like every dad, blah, blah, blah,

or every basketball coach, blah, blah, blah. And I find him very funny. Nick something or other, Nick, I think. Now, is this different than the guy that I like that does the, you weren't even alive and that guy's good. No, that guy's good. He is different. That guy's funny.

I don't know his name either. The guy with like the red hair slicked back. Okay, guys, wrap it up. I need your final thought. Michael, submit them. My round two turned this into an order again. But my round two was not the recipe. So this is not really an order again.

And it's not an order again because I have drinks like this in my life like an old fashion or a blanking on other ones. But that fill this space in my head of like I was talking about before, the 1920s like I stopped at this place and drank a whiskey drink. and I drank this place. And I had a vodka drink. And then a cider drink. And then a laagga drink.

Mike, do you think that Chumbo Wamba was a 1920s band? I don't, but a friend of mine does. Can you believe that shit? This is, yeah, this just kind of fills that, checks that box of an old-timey drink, which I have already. Don't love the flavor, so this is not in order again for me. Oh, hell. I do like the name.

And I do like the concept. Yes. For me, I like the color. I like the bold red. Yes. Big red. Or a rock and rye. You know, it's got that nice like fago fake red.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But this is no pal of mine. Pass. Hard pass. No, you are no pal of mine. Damn. I got to agree. Bad news for Sparrow Robbins

and William Sparrow Robinson And who invented this You invented a bad... Actually, no, he's to do it with red. So it's Harry McAloan's fault. Harry, you fucked up. But here's the weird thing. I'm not...

This to me is the worst of the Negroni variations. And I don't really see a reason to be ordering at a bar. But I'm going to have to still give it an appointment only. And the appointment is you have a big bottle of dry

remove in your fridge, you're only using an eye dropper's worth in your in your martinis. And it's been two and a half months and you know you're only supposed to have in that fridge for three months and then you say, hey, everybody come on over for old pals. Your old pal is making some old pals. All your friends like begrudgingly come over like,

oh, he's making those disgusting drinks. He has to, though. it's about to go bad, so we should go. So we have to, you know. Is this the ashy one? Yeah, it's ashy. Gonna be a rough night. Well, I guess we gotta help our friend.

You guys are over in my house. It's like no music playing, lights up, TV off. We're just sitting silently. Guys, we got a lot of bottle to get through. Guys, can we turn to the TV off, please? That's our show. Follow us on social media at the sloppy boys where we release these recipes ahead of time.

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Maybe I'll do it at the show. Let's cover it. Yeah, why not? Why the hell not? Houston. Houston. Houston, we have a problem. Jeff, you gotta say that on stage on March 28th. Houston, we have a drinking problem.

Just kidding, folks. That's nice. That's nice. J.K., J.K. J.K. All right, folks. We love you. We'll see you next week.

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