The Sloppy Boys - 53. Paper Plane

Episode Date: October 22, 2021

The guys check out a "new era" drink invented by Sasha Petraske and Sam Ross in 2007. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey folks, welcome to the Sloppy Boys where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love. I'm Jeff Dutton along with Mike Hanford. Hello! And Tim Kalpakis. What is up? And we're your hosts, the Sloppy Boys. Wow. Back at it again with the white vans eh

yes yes oh damn it dan damn it dan uh hey speaking of new uh accessory pieces and things to wear check out this watch i just got okay hold on hold on very great very good watch but speaking of accessories things to wear yeah the white the white the white fans okay now we can move on beautiful gold watch mike look at this did you pull that off a corpse where'd you get that thing whose whose face is that that's it's upside down because i can't there we go what is this the mother mary oh wow she's beautiful i've been watching so much sopranos uh and i like you know i went down to canal street and got a ten dollar watch but it's uh you know to paint the picture it looks like a rolex it's like silver and got the uh gold band in the middle yeah

i was i was in the in the area and i was walking I was like, oh, I've heard people talk about these cheap little jewelry stores. I popped in. I was like, oh, look at this thing. So, yeah, it's got a picture of the Virgin Mother holding Jesus and two angels flying around. That rules. I also also inspired by. No, I think I mentioned on the pod here that I wanted to get a gold chain that I was going to be a gold chain. And a tracksuit guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And a tracksuit guy. Yes. I told Fran I was thinking about getting a gold chain, and she was like, you got to talk to Neil, because Neil Campbell gets his gold chains from the place that Carl Tartt gets his gold chains from. Everyone's got gold chains. So I texted Neil. I said, hey, where does Carl Tartt get his gold chains from? And Neil sent me a link.

It's like hiphopjewelry.com or something. They got like these big, like a big venom head. Yeah, I saw that. Maybe this is a whole thing. Men's jewelry is in the zeitgeist. We're finally mature enough to wear watches that sort of clink around like that. Jingle jangle. Yeah, listen to that thing rattle.

That mannerism though, like shaking your wrist like that, that's such like of a generation of men that's not us because we don't wear watches so you don't look like an uncle. Tim, I'll stop you right there. I do shake my phone like that when I want to see what time it is. I've noticed when I'm wearing this watch, I sort of point

with both my pinky and my pointer finger. Yeah, like, careful, there's ladies present. Yeah, I'm just waiting for this thing to like, I'll be walking down the street and it all just falls off my wrist. I think that thing's there for good. The springs pop out of it. It gets hit by a raindrop. Yeah, exactly.

I was washing my hands before. I was like, ooh, I better take the watch off. It doesn't even have a brand on it i don't know what this is hey speaking of accessories and things to wear um i had another i remember when i had a correction about the safty brothers yes yes well now i have an apology for the safety oh my. You guys don't even have to listen to this. Actually, it's directly to the Safdie brothers. Oh, okay. Safdies, I thought you were Carhartt guys, but I did a Google search. It turns out you're Patagonia guys.

Oh. Jackets. There's lots of images of them wearing Patagonia, and I didn't find any Carhartt, so I take it back. They're into Patagonia. Oh, one of my tribe. Oh boy. I have a few back. They're into Patagonia. Oh, one of my tribe. Oh, boy. I have a few. I have a couple Patagonia coats, okay? What about that other one

that is like the new hotness? Arcteryx. Am I saying that right? You guys know Arcteryx? No, I don't know. It's the new hot drip. All the listeners are going, Arcteryx, guys. Arcteryx. It's the drip. Now I'm saying that right.

Arcturics. Who are the Carhartt-wearing brothers, Tim? Who are the other director brother dudes? Like the Winklevosses? I guess. No, I think it's the Coen brothers. I'm wondering now who you saw. Maybe they weren't brothers at all, but maybe you saw who you saw that you said,

oh, that must be the Safdies. Probably the Russos. Russo brothers. I was for sure picturing the Safdies, but I just pictured it wrong. You know, in the mind's eye. Damn. It's amazing. It's as amazing as what the brain can do.

You know what's funny about this, Tim? The reason I was near Canal Street to get this great watch, I was... I had to go to a Patagonia today because I have a Patagonia backpack, and the little zipper thing broke off, so I brought it in. They fixed it up for me. Oh, that's nice. But while I was there, I was looking around, and they had one of those corduroy jackets with the

the like lamb's fur collar. Jean jacket cut with a fur collar? Yeah, yeah, but it was, yes, jean jacket cut, but it had corduroy. And I was like, is this, I put it on, and I said, is this something I could pull off? And I don't know, I don't know.

I had a bad experience with one of those one time. I went to a Levi's store, bought a black corduroy jacket with dark gray wool collar. And I, it was a little too puffy. You know, the liner, it was wool collar. And I, it was a little too puffy. You know, the liner,

it was, it was wool all the way through like a fur liner. And it was a little too puffy, but I liked the collar. So I said, I'll take this home and I'll cut out the liner with scissors and I'll leave the collar. Then you could imagine what happened. Now it's like this kind of like deflated floppy jacket with a big stiff collar.

I know that jacket. You look good in that. Oh, thank you. I mean, it looks deflated, but you wear it well. But I only wear it with like a sweatshirt under it or something to thicken it back up. Puff it back out. Yeah, yeah. Otherwise, it looks like I have a neck brace on.

So you're telling me, so I go back there, I get this thing with the fur, probably pick up a cowboy hat somewhere. I got the new watch and my Reebok pumps, and that's my look now? All right. Mike. Okay. Here's the thing, Mike. You could keep piling all the latest designer stuff on your body, or you could change what's

inside. Oh, wow, Mike. Do that. change what's inside. Oh, wow. Like, do that. That's already perfect. Oh, no. Another pair of pumps will solve my problems. The first ones did. It's all statement item. I like the idea.

It's like, what's happening? We all just have, like, cowboy hats and gold chains. Booge, watch. What do you think of all my crap? I didn't like it before. I didn't know that. Well, I'm at least about the same still. Okay.

You're worse. Well, you know what? Mike, cheer us up. What's that? Wait a minute. Cheer us up. I wasn't feeling bad making us feel bad booze news

oh yeah Booze News, Booze News, Booze News, Booze News, Booze News. Say it's Booze News, you poophead. Booze. Poop-ha. Damn, these are getting better all the time. Great. That was Bluegrass Booze News by Harg Labarg. Hargy.

Hargy. Do you think, was Hargy playing playing that yeah of course i think so and i think that that was uh hargie's daughter singing at the end there and if you have a booze news theme send it to the slobby boys podcast at gmail.com that's cool man a blues a bluegrass thing that's that's a good i like that type of music i think I really like bluegrass and what I learned. It's not as old as I thought. For some reason, I thought bluegrass would be like ancient hillbilly music, but it's kind of like, there's a guy like only like a few decades ago who was like, hey, I know bluegrass.

And it was like, it was more throwback. You know, it's kind of like when like the band and the grateful dead were doing like throwback americana music bluegrass was also wave of that like the guy that started it was conjuring an americana that hadn't really existed in music form that's a young country tim yeah that's true we're still carving our way out. If this country even makes it, I think we're in a tough spot. We're very divided. Yes. Yeah.

I think so. A lot of things. COVID has become politicized, I heard. I thought I did. I think I have to agree with you. That's the first time I'm hearing it. But yeah, I agree. I'll tell you something about bluegrass.

For me? Appointment only. Oh! Yeah, but you're making those appointments like every every day right every other day yeah can't get enough of this stuff actually come on you're telling me you you're not in the mood you put on a little flat and scrugs a little smoky mountain breakdown foggy mountain breakdown no and I actually appreciate I wish that you know you say the bluegrasses They're actually bringing back something old

I'm kind of like I wish you didn't Keep it in the past Nature Selected it for extension Well Jeff how about this I wish that I was On old Rocky Top Rocky Top Tennessee Did Top, Tennessee.

Did that make you at least cry? No. Oh, okay. Oh, he's holding pepper. Well, you know, Jeff, one of your favorite bands, Fish, plays that song. And we are going to go see them on New Year's Eve. That's what you keep telling me. That's what I keep telling you.

I don't know what the foot dragon's all about. It's decided. You want me to go from L.A. to New York to New Jersey to New Hampshire back to New York. That's what you want from me over the holidays. I don't have any problem with that.

However you need to get here, you get here. It will murder me all right holiday travel that's when you do it take a bus take a train go and hop an aeroplane you know any any way you got to get there you get there tim you gotta get that's got a good ring to it you put it like that thank you all right what's the actual booze news oh or do we just play songs now if it's booze news is that what it's all about back off um no okay i wanted to talk about we uh the many saints of newark which look i know what you're thinking hey we covered this patreon that's patreon talk yes yes yes but just great great

episode if i do say so myself and i think i'm not gonna argue with that it was fucking awesome but what i saved for this is i i try to get too cocktail obsessed on those shows and here on the cocktail pot i want to ask you guys if you when you're watching it if you notice the drinks that that appeared in that film and if you thought anything about them if they stuck out to you at all no i try because i jotted down there's three cocktails that i heard and i wrote them in my phone as and i was as i was watching and i was kind of thinking you know whiskey uh what was a whiskey wise guy was one they kept making uh joey pants pims cup i think there was a midori mobster uh yeah a tommy gunned topo chico

how come the guys don't whip out tommy guns and start shooting people up well i was just i was thinking that like it's just interesting to see what a screenwriter like a david chase or whoever chooses to put it in the in the movie and they were very distinct. The ones that were said out loud kind of conjured some images. The first one is you know the Harold McBrayer played by Leslie Odom Jr.? Yes. He's trying to sleep

and his wife brings him a drink to fall asleep and it's a 7 and 7. Right. That's right. So that would be a Seagram 7 with 7 up, right? Yep. Love him. That must have. So that would be a Seagram 7 with 7-Up, right? Yep. Love them. That must have been like a new drink at that time.

Because 7-Up was kind of newish. I think you might be right there, Mike. I don't know how old 7-Up was. The red dot. The 7-Up seems new. You keep talking, I'll look it up. I think that she had invented it in the other room and then brought it in. Hey, another guy who likes a seven and

seven dave ferguson oh from the birthday boys he taught me him so introduced in uh 1929 there you go it's about 40 years old at this point is that what crashed the stock market you think uh let's see i'm just reading reading reading. Yes, Cerritos. It was. Well, I like Seven and Seven because I like Seagram's. It's a nice, cheap, but good product. Although a couple of the Seagram's daughters were mixed up in NXIVM. They were like funding that cult. Oh, right.

Yeah. Now, here's the thing that I thought was interesting. That's Harold at home. His wife brings him a Seven and and seven and she says it's to help him fall asleep so that's his kind of cozy drink that he likes at home he was already asleep that was the funny part she woke him up we discussed it we discussed it yeah we talked about it but he he he's out with the mobsters and some takes his order and do you remember what he orders in front of the mobsters yeah but i forget uh covarcia and coke with a water back oh interesting cognac and coke water water back would have been the like the what we do for picklebacks like you take a shot of yeah anytime you get another

little thing to sip i doubt it would be a little shot glass it's probably just a glass of water but i think a back is anytime you also have another thing to sip after oh doubt it would be a little shot glass. It's probably just a glass of water. But I think a back is anytime you also have another thing to sip after. Oh yeah, it was a full glass because I remember in the back of the scene there, they show him doing his shot. He does like a shot, but it just splashes all over his face because it's too much water. It's too much. It's a big glass.

He yells, I should have had less water. Damn this giant cup. And also damn all of this crime i'm a party too why did i get all mixed up in this why did i have to be a party to it um well have you guys ever heard of i've never had a cognac and coke i mean it makes sense you'd have whiskey coke i was gonna say like the the fernandito is sort of opened my eyes to mixing other stuff with coke and here we are here we have another one yeah okay so so the the uh russian root did nothing

for you but the the fernandito did okay like the the russian did do nothing for me we liked it michael good but that should have been opening up your mind oh yeah okay in in newark in 1967 the russian root had not been invented yet so otherwise i would assume he probably would be oh yeah no no that was early that was early um no but you know i was thinking i've never heard of a cognac and coke and i was wondering if you think that's almost like when he's at home he has a seven and seven but in front of these guys it's almost like a code switch thing where in front of the mobsters maybe he wanted to project a more like a more of a rich guy thing in order to fancier drink or like a more ornate drink yeah because it's it's a liquor and a soda it's just a different liquor and a different soda different a fancier liquor different soda but

water back it's kind of more like i have a drink order that i want to say in front of mobsters or something um i could be wrong but then the third drink and final this one uh felt very flashy to me when uh harold is down in north carolina he talks to the the the horse race the horse guy that has the fur coat he was a big kingpin and he says would you like a hot chocolate and baileys right yes that one i noticed too i don't i didn't i'd never heard of that what a funny i mean coffee kind of thing you put baileys in black coffee and it becomes like a sweet drink but hot chocolate plus baileys is like a little kid he's got sweet tooth okay but then here's what made me think this is booze newsworthy i I was going to tell you guys about the Courvoisier and Coke, and then I said, how do I say Courvoisier?

I know the ladies' man, how the ladies' man says it. Yeah. How should I properly say it? So I Googled pronunciation. How do you guys say it? I say that first R, and I go Courvoisier. Courvoisier, that's what I know it as, too. I think that's kind of? I say that first R and I go Kavassier. Kavassier. That's what I know it as too. I think that's kind of what I say as well.

But I found a YouTube video called How to Pronounce Courvoisier. And this doesn't have anything to do with the cognac. But listen to the way that this French language teacher greets us at the beginning of his YouTube video. What is up, guys? Bonjour. This is Julian, the French one making and who makes wine and spirits videos. He stole my fucking line. Wow. Julian Miguel.

What is up, guys? What is up, guys? What is up, guys? Bonjour. Yes, cognac can only be made in the area around the town that is Cognac. Is cognac French? Yes can only be made in France. I am the French Tim Kempagis. Is cognac French? Yes. So how do you go about pronouncing the name of this famous brand with a typical French pronunciation?

Courvoisier. Courvoisier. Courvoisier. Courvoisier. Courvoisier. If you went into a bar and you were like, excuse me, may I have a courvoisier and coke? They would rap you in the ear

i say can i have a coo coo coo cokey um okay so that was my whole adventure all along walk just to say that i heard a french guy say what is up say it again covoisier uh i can't do it was you who was he was yay do you think that he googled he was like making his youtube video and he was like what's a cool english way to greet people and he found the sloppy boys and it was like yeah if you're kind of a cool person in america you say what he's up he he just went to uh most popular american podcast And then he scrolled way down. For days and days.

My poor fingers are bleeding. I cannot scroll anymore. That's it for Booze News. What was the sound? I missed it. Ah, there you go. A chickarini. A cluck? It's almost a cuckoo curicu or whatever what was it kiki curry my cuckoo riku is one as well i think um okay i love the booze news i'm

glad we've wrapped that up because now uh jeff i want you to play a little song for me. It's 2007. Oh, yes. It is time for M.I.A., the Sri Lankan pop star, to make her debut. And damn it, she does. Do we remember this song? It's time for her. Yes. Yes.

I remember the Pineapple Express trailer is when the first time I heard this song and I said, oh. This song is fantastic. It is. I think maybe it made my... Did one of us pick this for the best party song episode? It was probably Disgust.

It was on my list, but I can't remember if one of us did. It was everywhere. This song was everywhere and oh boy Did Sam Ross the inventor Of the penicillin have his ears Perked when this thing was playing Cause he made himself a little Drink

And he said what do I name it And he said ah the paper plane He named this drink we're doing today After that song Get out of here yeah that's wow so this is a new this is like the iba giving us the new shit yeah this is this is uh this is a new era drink off the iba this is a 2007 uh this is i know these like these guys are celebs or were you just about to elaborate?

I don't want to step on you. No, please, please, please. So Sam Ross invented the penicillin. He's like a big deal. This guy's only like a couple. I love the penicillin, by the way. I have them at mess hall all the time. They're divine. Covered already in this intro.

Go ahead. But here's the thing. Yeah, no, go ahead. That penicillin. Remember, I had a penicillin at attaboy right in new york with jack schramm attaboy is sam sam ross's bar so uh and fucking was once called uh milk and honey go ahead is this all wait did you say this already or are you about to go no no no i'm about to, but you tend to know this stuff a little deeper, so go ahead. Well, I want you to say it and then I'll add color commentary.

All right, all right. So like my esteemed colleague Tim was talking about, Sam Ross. Esteemed, okay. He was working at Milk and Honey, which then became Attaboy. Tim, I do want to find out later why that was changed. And Diamond Reef. Have you ever heard of Diamond Reef? Never.

That sounds like a cool place, but that's in New York City. But he invented the paper plane in Chicago at a place called... He was putting the opening menu together for the Violet Hour in Chicago. And I don't think he ever worked there, but he... I don't know. The circles he runs with somebody just doing him a solid yeah probably because he made the penicillin that was going cuckoo caca and they said we need you to come down here make this so paper plane and it's a it's a take on the last word drink have we do we do we didn't do this drink yet did we never had never heard the last word was like a Prohibition era. It's gin, chartreuse,

maraschino liqueur, lime juice, and brandied cherry. So I'm thinking that's, yeah, that looks pretty fancy. It's a little coupe glass. But I like this one because, boy oh boy, it's an easy story. This guy made it for this bar they didn't work at, and he named

it after the song. Bye! You made it for a bar he didn't work at what was going on at the bar he did work at that night nobody drinking anything they were just drinking old penicillins well it's funny on wikipedia it says that uh the inventor was uh sam ross but also sasha uh baron kowalski okay it but trotsky who i think is uh i think he died actually but i also think like it says it was invented developed by him and sam at milk and honey he owned milk and honey and some other bars so i don't know how much he actually like did other than have the bar but maybe he had his input too i'm not sure interesting stuff also, I feel weird saying like, yeah, this is a new drink.

That song is 13 years old. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Nuts. New era. New era. New era.

New era. Yeah. So, yes, Tim, fill in the gaps, my man. Mind the gap. Well, no. Very English of you, my boy. I was stepping all over you. I thought you were about to go into the recipe, and all I wanted to say was, um well no very english of you my boy i was stepping all over you i think i thought that

you i thought you were about to go into the recipe and i and i all i wanted to say was we've talked sasha petraski is like a very important guy he was like this young dude i feel like you'd even recognize me he had like like a young guy with like a hitler youth haircut like a hip guy in like 1999 new york was like how come we don't have cocktail bars so he's kind of like that he was like 26 and opened milk and honey oh wow um so then i just know that guy because he's in the documentary uh hey bartender and you're right he died like mysteriously in his sleep a couple years ago very young but sam ross was a bartender that worked for sasha who like i don't actually think that sasha sasha petraski like was super i think he kind of made cocktails in a weird riffy way and

was like not a trained mixologist or anything where he's more a visionary he's the he's the jobs steve jobs yes a hipster lower East side, Steve jobs. I think that Sam Ross is like a bartender who invented the penicillin invented this. Like he was working, he's like in the lineage and then milk and honey became at a boy. And we went there and we had,

yeah, we had the penicillin, but like, so Sasha Petraski also opened the varnish in LA and Sam Ross has, is still alive and has gone on to like mentor many good bartenders. So like a lot of like the best bartenders at all, the best bars in America kind of trace back to these same couple of dudes. I think,

uh, yeah, Sasha or not Sasha, uh, Sam Ross these days, I think his latest thing is he just put money down on a, yeah, Sasha, or not Sasha, Sam Ross these days, I think his latest thing is he just put money down on an Applebee's up in New Jersey that he's going to run. Mike? He put money down?

Yeah, he got a franchise. Hmm. You were smiling the whole time you said that, Mike. I don't... What? He's happy to be sharing interesting stuff. Oh, I'm just so happy. Yeah, I guess.

I did read something, though, that Sam Ross was saying that in Toronto, people love paper planes. He said that's big up in Toronto. I don't know. You know, they'll eat anything up up there. Yeah. I know a certain certified lover boy who would eat this thing up. Damn. I actually heard Sam Ross lately.

He's been kind of bummed out um i guess he saw that new documentary about bob ross and uh oh no you know it was sad and he has the same last name as that guy so yeah him i guess just worry well the pictures i just saw sam ross is he's got a shaved head and he's got a big bushy beard so So he's kind of doing a flip flop of a flip. He says, I don't want to be anything like Bob Ross. He's the antithesis. Actually, Bob Ross has a beard too. Fuck.

Oh, well. What is in this drink? The paper plane that came out in two. Wait, did I say 2007? Maybe it was 2008. Hold on. Beep, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. 2007.

Also, what year did Pineapple Express come out? 2004. It must have been that very year. I saw this trailer in the dome. I want to say we were going to see The Hangover, and then I saw the trailer for Pineapple Express, and I said, I know this tune. This is a good tune.

That was 2008 for those fellas. Okay, so here's what we got put in this thing. And this is, it's all one to one to one to one. You got four things, all the same amounts. 30 milliliters bourbon whiskey. Cool. 30 milliliters Amaro

Nonino. 30 ml's Aperol. 30 ml fresh lemon joie joie de lemon as they say in france pour all ingredients in that's a lemon juice for those who have not heard me say that oh pour all ingredients into a cocktail shaker shake well with ice nice strain into chilled cocktail glass. Nice. Well, we all know my favorite is to shake with cubes and then pour on fresh cubes. But this is a close second. This is not that.

This is just shake with the cubes, pour it out, ditch the cubes. Cube's gone. We don't want to know about the cubes. Yeah. Cubes left behind. Kids. Like the shells coming out of an Uzi. And I've only seen pictures of this in a coupe glass.

I'm going to use a, I got little martini glasses, which I'm excited about. Not the big, big wide ones, but small. I'm getting some flack online for still not having stepped up my glass game. Right?

People don't like that. You don't like stems for some reason. They've taken upon themselves to ruin their whole weekend because Jeff doesn't like stems. And I still have the same old glass. And you'll see that I'm using that tonight. Good. Hey, it works for you.

Soon. I will. I'll have all new glasses. That's great. Do you know that thing about a sour stem? 30 milliliters remind me is a shot and a half. One ounce. One ounce.

Love it. Go ahead, T--man you were saying i was gonna try to make a joke and i don't think i'm gonna do it it was about how like stem you know like the like stem is like science and math like stem cell not stem cell oh no yeah science technology engineering and mathematics if i think you know, maybe by the end of the episode, I'll think of a joke that's about how, like, stems of glasses and science and technology. Like, it could be something to really crack you guys up. It's been a while since I really cracked up.

Yeah. I like to just totally crack up. Now, I haven't talked about the garnish. So the garnish on the IBA is not applicable. No garnish. But. It doesn't apply? In the future, yeah, you can just not say that.

No. Go ahead. Go ahead. But, but, but, but, Jeff. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Now, when Sam first made these in Chicago, he put a little paper clip on it. He had put a little...

A paperclip? A clothespin. Tiny clothespin. And had a little paperclip wire suspending a little paper plane. Get out of here. Yeah. No, you're fucking...

I don't buy it because you said that Applebee's thing. You said that fucking Applebee's thing like 30 seconds ago. The Applebee's thing I said is sort of just a funny thing to to say i'm not smiling now am i no you're frowning you're pissed uh i have had a drink that had a clothespin on it a little clothespin and a piece of like yeah linen or something what was that we did a drink on the show that had that but i can't remember i don't don't i wasn't with you when you had it in real life huh why the name i understand that the mia song was big but what is it about is there a reason there's because i was looking uh mia is from london i guess she's uh sri lankan but she's from london is are there any of the are any of the ingredients in this drink no where's this amaro from no there's not really any logic i don't know yeah i uh

i didn't find anything of why paper planes other than named it after the song um don't know well i guess it's one of those just weird things might be something for one of the listeners to maybe search up and let us know i have a feeling as soon as we take our first sip all of this will come to light yeah yeah we're gonna take one sip and we're gonna fly like paper get high like plane i have a feeling it's gonna be like we're gonna sip and we'll go i am having a great drink oh no I actually do think that there's a bullshit backstory on the Mai Tai that is like that. Like someone took a sip and said, Mai Tai, get out of here. They dip their neck adornment into their drink.

Yes, their neck adornment. Their neck adornment. Oh, I have to go to a wedding this weekend. It says business casual. Now, would you wear a neck adornment for something like that or to a wedding this weekend. It says business casual. Now, would you wear a neck adornment for something like that or no? Yeah. You know, the best one would be a tie. Yes.

Perfecto. Well, shall we? We shall. Yes. Let's do it. Folks, we'll be right back. Equal parts. I love it.

I know. It's the best. and we're back with paper planes yo yeah let's see let's see what we got planes up oh everybody's got the right oh oh michael's got a joke no that's not a joke. No, that's not a joke. It's a legitimate garnish. It's the paper plane garnish. I made a little paper plane. I stuck it on there with a clip. It looks cool. It looks awesome.

Michael, are you trained in origami? No, that's why it took me so long to get back into this. You were reading from an origami book But it's nicely It's nicely garnish sized You did a good job It's like taking off Should we sip?

I like this little martini guy Let's sip Smells good Is this just going to be a bunch of bitter bullshit? Interesting Not exactly Jeff But not too far off either oh there's some bittersome sour it's similar to the uh penicillin did he like you i don't know if i've had a penicillin uh i know you jeff that's that's when it's a lemony ging, honey bourbon. Okay.

You know what I really like is whiskey in stuff. Like when whiskey is present, but it's not the star of the show. When whiskey is the funny guy in class who says present. Yeah. I like whiskey for a present. What I'll say about this, and the whiskey too, what whiskey did you get? I just got a Jim Beam.

Bourbon, don't cancel me. Makers. I mean, bullet, bullet. You canceled, man. I realized I hadn't, unscrewing that Jim Beam, I was like, I haven't had a whiff of a whiskey in a long time. Like that, or what's the other one? Jack Daniels or Evan Williams or whatever. I like just like the one ounce, one ounce,

one ounce, one ounce of it all is very nice because everything is sort of these guys know what they're doing, these little New York fuckers because it's not. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. It's that thing where it's like uh so if it was just the lemon you know like lemon juice and the bourbon you'd be like okay it's like we're gonna be doing a whiskey sour and then yeah aperol sweetens it up with just a little bitter it's not like it's campari so it's very bitter it's little bitter. And did you guys steal a nip of that Amaro Nonino?

I did. Delicious! I did. I liked it. It's definitely got the same star and yeast quality, but it feels a little bit more vanilla caramelly. Yes. Now, didn't we get, when we got the Fernet the other day, it was Amaro

Branca, right? Yeah. Fernet Branca, yeah. But there's also Fernet Amaro. All Fernets are Amaros because Amaro is the main genre. Not all Amaros are Fernet. Fernets are a subsect of Amaro and then Fernet Branca is a brand.

Yeah. But Amaros are basically herbal liqueurs from italy yeah you could have chinar you can have mazzanotti you could have an angelus um but this one you know we're always trying to kind of just avoid yet another bottle of black licorice shit and i would say that i was happy uh when we had the frenet a couple weeks ago and it was minty i was like that's distinct and then this one you're right with the vanilla j i think i felt like a kind of like caramelized molassesy sweet thing going on and it didn't have any of the harsh herbs it was nice what's that line from the beginning of uh the warren baity movie where

he's a singer it's like falling in love is a bitter herb oh yeah yeah yeah ishtar ishtar is that warren baity and who else dustin hobman that that movie is fucking hilarious the first the opening is great hit song that said bitter herb yeah then it gets away from you yeah uh is it it is funny because isn't that like known as like the worst movie ever yes i think that's just because also because it was expensive but it goes off the deep end with being like kind of an action adventure comedy but okay in at the beginning it's like two songwriters it's like our brilliant goldhoff and steinstein sketch from birthday boys this is very funny that was uh yeah that opening is so fun that's all i've seen of it is the opening folks at home watch the opening you can watch ishtar maybe we'll watch the whole thing one day

oh that could be a good blowout sure the best is dummies when you're watching peas in a pod two morons that are on the same page is always a fun thing to do and that's what's going on with those songwriters yeah they're pitching just like very cliche hack lines and they love each other's ideas and that's such a funny thing to see oh that's great this uh you know what this drink sort of has is like a um i mean there's lemon in it so it's kind of like a it's giving you like a lemonadey feel yeah yeah it's it's almost like it's almost kind of like a it's giving me like a lemonade-y feel yeah yeah it's it's almost like it's almost kind of like a cosmo or something in that it's citrusy and pink and then i'm just getting a little a little bit of a whiskey twang to it damn i am i'm impressed i did not expect to like this i mean it's it's just real nice that we we got the fancy bottle of amaro and didn't only have

to put like three drops or a quarter bar spoon it's nice to get to we, we got the fancy bottle of Amaro and didn't only have to put like three drops or a quarter bar spoon. It's nice to get to use the stuff and it makes a better drink. I like when everything disappears into each other, you know, four become one. Now, Tim,

you mentioned that we, we made it with the Amaro. Now, Mike, do we, do we all make it with the Amaro? Yes, we all made it with Amaro.

I don't think I... I didn't get the Amaro Nino. No, Nino. What'd you use? I got... No Nino. I got something called... I can get the bottle for you.

But it was... I was talking to a guy who had a very nice... I believe you. You're not on trial here. No, no. I just always feel like I am. Hold on. He is.

He is. No, i just am marseille is the no farmhouse spirits i think makes this and oh that looks cool that looks really cool that is kind of a true detective it's got a plague doctor mask on it yeah an amaro by farmhouse spirits that's cool and also it looks like nobody would recommend that willy-nilly somebody knew what they were right we were we were looking at the the the amaro nonino that i was supposed to get and i'm looking at the price and i'm saying that's

the guy's kind of like a bit steep my man and he says all right all right let me let's go a foot to the left here just pick this one out love it but you like it to taste look at this barcode too now I see a vase okay so this barcode is like two faces looking at each other and creating a vase

that's good podcasting right there eye trickery I think I like Amaro I said it before he likes Am I think I like Amaro. I said it before. He likes Amaro. The guy likes Amaro. Folks, get this man an Amaro. I'll never wander farro from a good Amaro.

From a stiff Italian Amaro. Now, this drink is not... I wish it had more of like the pops and zings all over my tongue, but it's just kind of one taste. It's giving me a little. Get some pop rocks. Yeah, yeah. What I might do, this will throw off the nice easy one ounce of each,

but I could imagine scaling back the lemon juice, because that's the only one that's popping to the forefront. Not me, Tim. I can't imagine it. It's one of the things that's worth the price of admission for me you want to put more apryl in here you sick fuck not more i want to put less i think that i'm i'm definitely if i had to pick one taste to say what this drink is it's lemony so i'm just curious if I rolled back the lemon but five milliliters. Tim, that could be good for

like round two maybe. That's kind of awesome, dude. As I'm sipping on this and enjoying it, I keep thinking to myself, ooh, I feel like my tongue is anticipating some lemon, not lemon, some mint. Some mint sprig. Now, I don't have mint sprig.

I think it would go well. What I'm going to do on round two is put a half ounce of creme de menthe. Mike. Oh, Michael, you dirty son of a bitch. You're wild, shooting from the hip like that. This is, you know. I can't imagine a little mint in here, but I'm curious.

I want to see your point of view come to life. Now, I'm just curious because I have the creme de menthe and I don't have a little mint in here but I'm curious I want to see your point of view come to life now I'm just curious because I have the creme de menthe and I don't have a mint sprig but I do think a mint like a muttered mint in here would be it would add rather than detract I think I agree I think a pink citrusy summery taste like this

would have the mint sprig would be good now the creme de menthe liqueur might be a fool's errand, but I want you to try it. Yeah. How about this? Instead of even mint. I'm doing a half.

I'm doing a half. Instead of even mint, get yourself a big old basil leaf. Smack it between your palms and just dunk it in there. Smack it. Smack it. And put it over a nice, a fresher pizza. Not bad. Oh, you're making me want to go to Bella Luna.

Yeah, yeah, baby. Hey, Bella Luna, my beloved pizza truck, liked one of the Sloppy Boys Instagram posts. That's awesome. Do they follow us? I mean, they must have followed. I followed them a long time ago,

but they must have followed us back. And then it was great because it wasn't geotagged in like Lowe's Fields or anything. They're just looking at our grams and saying, oh, that's funny. Which one was it? I simply don't recall. I'm followed by Dave's hot chicken, and it makes me very happy. I love it. I'm followed by David Letterman.

Stop. Stop. What? I'm followed by David Letterman. Stop. What? I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you who I'm followed by. I don't know what you want from me. What can I do? It's good.

It's a good taste. Good. It's a good taste. And it doesn't have that that common sloppy boys cop out where we like it more because the ice melts this one is from the it's the same top to bottom yeah it is it is more of a fruity drink than i was expecting yeah it's obvious the lemon but uh i was tasting the you know the amara going in a little bitter the camparo going in, a little bitter. The Campari going in. Sorry, the Aperol going in.

Bitter. And I thought, I'm not going to like this fucking thing. You put in, I like bourbon. I like lemon. Sure. Now we're in business. Now, Jeff, you like to shit talk Aperol up and down the block, but let me give it some credit that it's doing some

heavy lifting here with the sweetness because i think that's what's keeping this from being a very sour bitter affair although the amaro is kind of sweet itself you're right i remember everything you're a little sweet yourself fuck me when i when i tasted the aperol going in i i was sort of like holding my nose at first. And then I remembered, oh, Aperol is sort of the pleasant cousin of Campari. I can stomach a little Aperol. I don't love an Aperol Spritz, and I'm not going to look at my rating again. That belongs in the toilet. Your rating.

What about a Crapperall Shitz? That's what belongs in the toilet. I think an Aperol Spritz is a Crapperall Shitzits jeff i'll kill you i i swear tim stop don't say that he's not gonna do it i'll stop saying it i'll stop saying it and then i'll also not do it most importantly you know this is a good drink for you know how when we uh have yellowbirds we go up into the high into the yellowbird tree yeah this is a nice like uh hey what are you doing this afternoon i think we could take a few flights on a paper paper plane it's similar to the yellow bird and then it's sort of in a cocktail glass and it's citrusy oh it's another another winged cocktail

for the sloppy boys dude what if the sloppy it's winged month there's one called the aviation if we did the yellow bird the aviation and the paper plane we release them as like canned malt beverage sloppy boys fly boys yeah altitude coolers if we ever hey guy no the sloppy boys mile high coolers i don't know i like get it get it i think if we ever do a show in an airport, like an airport bar, and we're like, well, you guys could also create the cocktail list. Those are the three we'll have. That sounds so funny to do an airport bar show.

Everyone goes through TSA to see our show. Just a miserable experience for everybody. Hey, everyone, we're playing at the Gladstones at Terminal 2. I actually love that Gladstones. Takes all kinds, I suppose. You know, the more you drink the drunker you get, huh? Yeah. I was noticing

that. I was noticing that. Mike, you mentioned a song earlier. Didn't you? There's a song that was associated with this drink. What was I talking? We were talking about bluegrass. Other than bluegrass as a genre, I don't think we were talking.

Oh, yeah. I'm so sorry. Paper Planes. Yes. Right. Yes. But M.I.A. M.I.A.

That song is by M.I.A., but you know that it includes a sample from an earlier song, right? No. Oh, come on, Mike. Clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk. That part? Yeah. Jeff, you know it? The Clash.

The Clash. Oh. I don't know the name of the song, though. Yeah, it's the Clash straight to hell off Combat Rock. Yes. The same album that has Rock the Casbah on it. Yes. Does that mean to do the deed?

Rock do the the Casbah deed. Yeah. Do the deed. Do the deed. Wait, didn't Will Smith sample Fuckin' the Clash? He had a song

that was like, he sampled Rock the Casbah for something will smith the sampling clash will smith the sampling clash he fucking did he doesn't hang with jazzy jav he ran it by his lawyer hey very good very good he's nailing the syllables when i'm up in a paper plane flight These come pretty easy He ran it by his lawyers The lawyers

Clapping their briefcases closed Hey, Patrons That's an assignment for, or listeners That's an assignment for you, make that mashup And send it our way Okay, the song is called Will 2K We'll definitely put it on the show if you do the mashup.

Can you guys hear this? Weird. Oh, I've never heard this before. Yeah. That was like a single also. It's Rocky Casper, right? Yeah. Weird choice. Well, thanks for bringing that up tim uh you guys want to do round twos hey what what what what no you're welcome for bringing it up you you're very you're

grateful i brought that up yeah i love i love a little info you love when people bring things i love topics yeah oh no i was just gonna say that it would be cool for us to listen to the clash song that mia sampled for paper planes, just so people could hear the original and see what, like, we all know what her song's all about. It's like dealing drugs and stuff like that, but we don't really know what their song was about. Right. And you have it? Yes, here. Let me just send it over to Jeff.

And can you use an mp3 yeah i'm just gonna have to do a little uh now did you just pull this off the album tim or is this something you like found the physical tape of i just put the vinyl on i kind of ripped it from the vinyl just now while you guys were talking that's probably why it's taking an extra second to decompress over here yeah oh because I compressed it real tight. Oh, sounds like me on vacation. Yeah, man. Takes me an extra second to decompress.

This file is rock hard, Tim. I have a tough time leaving work at work. But what do you think the clash... I just wonder what they... You make a song and then decades later it gets sampled. I wonder... Well, I guess we'll just listen. We'll find out. Oh, I've got it right here. Don't be defeated, Tim. We it gets sampled. I wonder. Well, I guess we'll just listen.

We'll find out. Oh, I've got it right here. Don't be defeated, Tim. We're going to listen. I wonder how they feel about the whole thing, if it's like positive for them. Well, let's listen. Yeah, let's listen, I guess. Hello.

We're The Clash. And one other thing. Please don't steal our song. All I want to do is Sing, sing, sing, sing So please don't steal our song All I want to do is Sing, sing, sing, sing So please don't steal our song

Please don't steal our song Please don't steal our song Please don't steal our song Please don't steal, steal a thong. If don't steal a thong. Singer from class. If don't steal a thong. This song is called Straight to Hell? Yeah, Straight to Hell. Wow.

Wow, okay. So wait, that was Joe Strummer you said as a singer? Well, yeah, I mean, I know the class. You got Joe Strummer, Mick Taylor. Yeah, Joe Strummer, Mick Thumper, Bobby Bopper in the back. What's with these names? Come on. All of their last names are the verbs of what they do.

Thank you. That's my whole problem. No, I never knew Joe Strummer to have such a lateral lisp. Yeah, I know. It's dominant. It really comes through on this recording. I don't know i guess he kind of he's thinking of that song rudy can't fail which is kind of my favorite clash song he

kind of seems to have a little bit of lisp in there but he does okay it's weird i hadn't ever noticed it but uh it's good yeah this is just you said this is off vinyl yeah that could be yeah so i bet maybe that warmer sound you can just really hear the lisp pop through oh my god it was so warm i love when i was listening to that i was like we got to get back to this analog shit plus with how much you compressed it that might have brought it out too oh i oh you did end up compressing okay okay that's how it came out i i was like really self-conscious the whole time because like did i, did I over compress? No, I think you did okay. Yeah, you seemed worried this whole episode. Well, that gives us a lot to think about, I think, as we go and make our second round of these.

Jeff, if I could. Yeah, by all means, Michael. I think that gives us a lot to drink about. Oh. Na-na-na-na-na-na. You can't do that yourself Mike your zoom screen froze for me right after you said it was I think that gives us a lot to drink about and then you looked at the lens folks we'll be right back and we're back with final thoughts on the paper plane Michael

well do you want to see what the crumb to men one looks like oh yeah right we have alts to deal with. Yep. Oh, my God. Mike, it looks fucking nasty. It looks like pond water.

I took a picture of it, too, so we can post it because it's green. How much did you put in? I did one of an ounce of everything and then a half ounce of creme de menthe. Man, it made that green, huh? That stuff's got some green 40 in it. Mmm. You taste a little bit on the back, the end

of the taste, the end of the sip, but it didn't really do much. A lot of color. A lot of color. It's kind of like the mint's sort of hanging out in your mouth a little more than the lemon was. Does it go together? It's not distracting it at all, but it's just kind of like...

It's funny. I don't know. Maybe if I did a whole ounce. When I taste lemon, I don't really think mint. But then, you know, lemon is close to lime, and mint and lime is in a mojito and a lot of other things. I've had mint lemonades before that are very very oh you're right yes you're delicious they are uh what the doctor ordered on a hot day um michael or and timothy don't you dare call me that i do that all the time i that's

what my grandmother does uh she'll be like dave, Jefferson. Don't worry about it. Dave Ferguson? Jefferson. Oh, your dad's name is Dave. Yes. But Tim, I want to hear about your alt, dude. And your middle name is Dave. All right. My middle name is Jordan.

I know that. Like Jordan Klepper? But my friend is named Dave. Your friend's father is named Dave as well. Like Jordan Klepper. Ever hear of number 2323 Pete's? Oh, right. Yeah.

What about your old dude? Guys, I did the recipe again, but I put half the amount of lemon, scaled it back to half ounce. And this is perfect. I thought it was already a good cocktail but right now it just mine was very maybe i had an extra flavorful lemon or something but it was a little lemon was dominating right now now i'm just getting you know the pings and pangs we love i'm getting a little amara over here hey don't forget about apple oh that's great over here and uh they're all they're all present but they're all working

together in a little socialist microcosm wow that's great Tim you saw a problem and you did something that actually corrected it I could have just sat back and say no that's life I'll just live this way for the next 40 years and croak

drink these until I croak do you think if you ever went to a bar and said give me the paper plane but you know what just give me half the like do bartenders take offense of that to that i i think it would be i mean it would be a funny thing to order a paper plane which is not such you know you you can order a drink and say i'll have a gin and tonic, light on the tonic or whatever. Yeah. I mean, martini is like you give some directive. Right. I mean, I don't know where, I don't know how many places serve a paper plane.

I mean, Attaboy has it. Are you going into every place and seeing paper planes? I don't think so. Right. And if you went into Attaboy and were like, oh, okay, so i have some uh because there's such a cocktail cocktailers place if you were like i've got some uh uh restrictions to put on you they would say get out of here especially because it's not about a an allergy or anything you're just like you have your own little recipe that you like yeah and it's not about the drink It's about the people you're sharing it with.

Oh. That's an interesting concept. Yeah. It doesn't actually work ever, but okay. So I don't know what the etiquette is with bartenders, though. Like, if you go in and you order a paper plane or a Trinidad Sour or something like that, the idea is that they would know how to make all of these, right? Or in theory, but then not in practice in our first episode of this show we thought iba was like the thing that everybody knew and because we hadn't

even really given it a good look and we were like you could go into a dive bar and order any of these drinks and you'll be good that's clearly not the case with the paper plane in the trinidad sour like a dive bar but but i am interested like just how many places have these on the menu or if it can be just a hit at one bar the bar where is invented can you be a big enough hit to make it onto the iba list we don't know anything about this organization that we built our whole podcast around well we took we stopped taking them seriously when they were down for two months yeah Yeah, that's true. We got a real bone to pick with that.

Yes. Okay. One thing I don't like is when you go to a bar and all of their drinks are clever little unique things. Does that make sense? They all have their little twist and it's nothing you've ever heard of and you can't you can't look at it and be like okay that's basically their martini that's basically their sidecar like that they all are just called like up and down the river the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence or or whatever like little clever turns of phrases

or references we're just like can you just make some normal shit please i well that's the thing that really bothers me is that swap taking a classic cocktail or even a new era craft cocktail right swapping out one ingredient and then doing a pun on the original name with the thing i i'm so refreshed i think it's going to come back but like jeff when we were at the dresden and you look at the menu and you just see 20 names of cocktails you know that's so nice yes you know yes that's what you got to do and um where i was in pasadena at a fancy restaurant the arroyo chop house uh no no the parkway grill fantastic place but every single drink on their cocktail list it had that sort of like the garden

collins or whatever and i was like can you just do a tom collins and they're like yeah and like so then why i mean you can have a couple signature cocktails but like 30 drinks in a row are all that where you swap one ingredient it's silly it is funny when you you go to a place that you're reading like you know it's called the down the river or whatever. And you're reading it. And it's like, oh, mezcal and a little elderflower. It's like, oh, those all sound. I have no idea what any of those taste like. But it's like, I don't mezcal taste like.

But you just read the ingredients like, oh, this sounds good. Like, I don't know. I did like maybe the only place that, like, did that really well was when we were at Death & Co. in New York. that like did that really well was when we were at death and co in new york the the names like the names were not they were not puns and variations on classics they had just from the you know ground up built new cocktails and named them what they wanted to name them i was under the impression that anything that was on that menu i probably would have enjoyed or at least been like wow i'm glad i got this because it's so interesting. Yep.

Well, let's get into final thoughts now. What do we think? For me, this is an order again and not even an appointment only. And I will say, maybe I was like washing the rest of the lemony taste out of my mouth. I am tasting the mint a little more and I do like it with mint. Damn, dude. I love it. Order again.

It's kind of like a whiskey Cosmo and I think that we should go back to New York and we should go to Attaboy and we should drink these in the place where they were invented. Put on that MIA track we love so well. But please don't play the original Clash song for it is too depressing and lispy yeah folks it's an order again tim i like what you said about it being a whiskey cosmo

i think that's what we're dealing with uh it's not appointment only or anything i'd do one of these any day of the week it's great there you go very good drink there you go that's our show follow us on social media at the sloppy boys, where we release these recipes ahead of time. Also be sure to check out our Patreon where you can, you know, listen to the blowout. We talk about it all the time. Yeah.

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