The Sloppy Boys - 58. Old Fashioned

Episode Date: November 26, 2021

The guys settle in with a trusty classic from the dawn of the cocktail.OLD FASHIONED RECIPE1.5oz/45ml Bourbon or Rye Whiskey1 Sugar CubeFew dashes Angostura BittersFew dashes Plain WaterPlace sugar cube in an old fashioned glass and saturate with bitters and water. Muddle until dissolved. Fill the glass with ice cubes and add whiskey. Stir gently. Garnish with an orange slice or zest, and a cocktail cherry.Recipes via the International Bartenders Association (https://www.iba-world.com/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey folks, welcome to the sloppy boys where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love I'm Jeff Dutton along with Michael Hanford. Hi and Tim Kalpakis What is up gobble goble Stylies Holiday weekend edition A very special episode Happy No Nut November to all Oh no I just blew it Oh no I know I had a big

Reese's peanut butter cup Mike What What What What Mike. What? What? What? That's what I'm saying.

I keep telling you guys off air, I'm always like, I'm a real cut up. You should have said like an almond or something. People would have, you know. Yeah. Well, that would just be like, no nut November. Oh, I blew it. I ate a nut. You know, let the audience kind of do some little way to see yeah it's halfway here folks yeah come on we we upload this stuff we do it

all you got to really put a little effort in i'll tell you the problem is i'm sure that our listeners are sluggish from tryptophan this weekend. Oh, yeah. The big day was yesterday. Turkey, mashed potato. That's about it. That's all I had. That's all there really was this year, huh? Yeah. Well, what with the stuff being slow from the boats. That's one of my favorites.

Hey, we got ourselves a news hound here. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I do want to get this right so uh the supply chain is slow yeah a lot of the stuff coming in on cargo boats slow correct and we all get our turkeys from china most of us do you had me until the end there right i went down to long beach and i stood at the docks uh waiting to see what ships were coming in and there was one of them a huge aircraft carrier full of cranberry sauce so that one came through well then why didn't we have it at thanksgiving

hey i ate it all down there oh um yeah cranberry's a good one. Well, we've already talked about this. What our fave. Yeah, that was the blowout. And the faithful listeners have heard that. And they probably designed their Thanksgiving dinner plate accordingly. Around it. This episode, this is kind of special because this is the Thanksgiving weekend. We're doing a big drink and it's a big weekend. So we're not just talking to our old regular listeners.

Like a lot of people are going to be sampling. They're going to sit the whole family down. They say, grandma, grandpa, all the way down to the little great grandkids sit on the couch and let's listen to this podcast. And then they choose us. So we should be kind of repiloting, you know, to the people. Oh, that's good. Hi, granny. Hi, grampy. piloting you know to the people oh yeah that's good hi granny hi grampy yeah goo goo to the baby hi granny hi grampy what oh hey what is up

still still got those wrinkles granny and grampy hey uh grampy we picked you out a beautiful grave did he say gravy? Yeah, Grampy, gravy. Old hound tooth. Now, is hound tooth an expression? No, hound's tooth is a style.

That's a fabric. A pattern. And I just said old hound's tooth because I think I've heard someone say that before. Mike, you know that on this show we only talk about one style of fabric and it's a red buffalo plaid have you been wearing that

since you unearthed it? no I'm saving it for you you are? okay good it might just be released back into your clutches but I would love to give it a shot. Yeah, I can't really pull it off. It's a little too rustic.

Look, I'm not going to fool anyone ever into thinking I'm a blue-collar guy. Have I gone on the street? You're a mountain man as far as I'm concerned. Hey, not so bad. No, if I tried to walk into Home Depot, they'd turn me right around and send me into Office Depot. For a chair. Wrong depot, pal.

And then I walk into BevMo, and they're like, hey, here's our king. He's the king. Lift him up. We got your Venmo. This guy's putting our kids through college. This is a good episode because we've all had these. Well, let's not get into that.

We have other stuff to take care of. Much to do. Much to do. It's time for booze news. Hit it. Tim, you could turn up just a little bit. Turn up like a party? Yeah, a little bit.

Wait a minute. Isn't this booze news? Yes, it's booze news, you fool. Booze News? Yes, it's Booze News, you fool! Booze News? Booze News? Booze News. Oh! You wanna get into some Booze News? I love that shit. I'm the EP, I created the show, and then you guys are

my reporters. Okay. Okay. Headline, do-do-do-do-do. Tim, are you sure you wanna go live with us right now? Like, it's kinda high stakes, don't you think? Can you see how my hands are shaking? Yeah. Well, Tim, I you sure you want to go live with us right now? It's kind of high stakes, don't you think? Can you see how my hands are shaking? Yeah. Well, Tim, I got to tell it. I'm going to be as polite as I can be.

Can we cut the fucking jibber jabber and get to the... Okay, so headline... Headline. Headline. Do-do-do-do-do. I don't like stem cell research because it brings a certain ethical... Tim. Too much.

Sorry. It's booze news, you son of a certain ethical... Damn. Too much. Sorry. It's booze news, you son of a bitch. Honk. It's booze news, you son of a bitch. Honk. Oh, good honk. That was a good honk. Where'd you find that honk?

Send me that honk. Where'd you get those honks? Newsy Booze News and the honk were sent to us by adam leclerc hey and if you've got a booze news theme email it to the sloppy boys podcast at gmail.com oh that was good you know there's something to uh hearing just like little clips from a show or when you'd see like old conan like what what they did in the year and like it's just clips from a show or when you'd see like old Conan like what they did in the year and like it's just clips from the Conan show it makes

a TV show look so fucking fun or a podcast yeah but if you listen to this shit week in week out not as fun it feels like you're slaving away in the coal mines you gotta bank those little fun spots in your brain then play them back in a montage form

with rousing music great job Adam LeClaire You got to bank those little fun spots in your brain, then play them back in a montage form. With rousing music. Great job, Adam LeClaire. Honk. Recently, a coworker said, hey, I listened to your podcast. And I said, did you laugh? And she said, I didn't laugh, but I thought it was a nice listen. What?

Ouch. This is not a nice listen. I think that episode was a nice listen. I? Ouch. This is not a nice listen. I think that episode was a nice listen. I took it as a compliment. Hopefully she's listening right now. But I think we're a nice listen. I listen back to these episodes every once in a while, and I'm just like, this is a shit show. It's off the wall.

It's crazy at times. I don't make any sense. I'm goofy and giggly. I got to rein that back in. I said make any sense i'm goofy and giggly i gotta rein that back in i said that before i if i didn't know myself i would be like this fucking guy is annoying i think that about my myself uh you know it's really basically there's no really there's not a reason to listen to the show. Edit that out, Jeff. Tim, did she listen to episode one?

Did she listen to Tom Collins? Because I think if we listened to the first episodes, we would be like, this sucks shit. And I'm surprised anyone ever got on board. No, she had been watching the, she said it as a compliment. I took it as a compliment. She had listened to a more recent episode.

We should go back to our first episode and do commentary and talk about what we've learned since how could you do commentary on audio i guess like it would be playing and then the sound would dip as we talk it would sound terrible yeah it would be a cluster yeah i mean the sound could be at like eight uh decibels and then maybe we bring it down to like six decibels or something like that all right okay booze news oh yes arby's vodka oh yes you've heard i've heard heard it's all the rage now what do you guys think because so uh truth be told a lot of slob heads tagged us in this and said hey arby's is coming out with vodka and i had a little bit of a toot on about it because um look we know about these kind of like publicity stunt type things yeah and uh

this one particularly rubbed me the wrong way because they were like it when they were leading up to the drop they were like very limited supplies so you got to be there to order it on the day yeah and to me that's that's like admitting this is fake and we only hope you tweet you know um so i was grumpy about it and i didn't include it in last week's booze news but then it came out and i am well i guess i feel a little left out of the funds because you know the flavors yeah it's like french fry and like curly fry or something right curly fry and crinkle fry yeah i go curly and you know there is vodka that's made out of potatoes it's not a it's not totally a weird it's not totally a bad idea i mean those two fries mainly just taste like oil uh and the curly fry has a seasoning but um i don't know what

when you guys hear arby's vodka is that something you want to drink no no no uh it's something i want to eat and if it's a promotion to get me to go to arby's i'm already heading there my anyway i love arby's yeah that's funny you're maybe the only person i know that's got some i don't dislike arby's but you're maybe the only person that i know that's like hey let's go get the arby's roundup and no one ever listens to me that's weird man and then you're like five you don't want the roundup we'll just get a couple of arby's market fresh sandwiches we can do the five for five mike that promotion was four years ago that's what it was the five for five i don't like this territory we're in where uh every flavor is crazy now every every all these liquors are pranks yeah

maybe it's just because we're doing all the seltzers but i don't need uh i don't i would do it i would i would do it for the pod if we if we can track it down but no we i only out of duty we missed it i purposely missed the drop i didn't want to order so if a listener sends it to us that would be kind of awesome but they could also just taste it for us and and uh you know tweet at us or something i'm curious to see if you could really taste the difference between curly fry and crinkle fry i also don't like the limited drops like turning this into like a supreme thing or something yeah i'm tired of that shit bro right supreme i thought you meant like a supreme pizza from pizza yeah or you know burrito supreme at taco bell i'd get one of those too uh at least with the seltzers, it's like we've got a theme going on here.

You know, eggnog seltzer is insane, but it's like a Christmas theme. This is just a company being like, hey, we're going to put vodka out of our flavor. It would be like a, I don't know, a spaghetti house saying we got spaghetti flavored pasta. I mean vodka. Spaghetti flavored pasta would be pretty good. I got to focus up here. I got to focus up. No, no.

This is a very good analogy. A French fry place making a French fry vodka. You're saying it's similar to a spaghetti house making a spaghetti vodka. Spaghetti pasta, I said. Yeah. And that would be a real publicity stunt to make a spaghetti that was you know i've done this before on the podcast i opened my mouth and i started talking i don't know where i'm going with it yep that's uh kind of a a real pitfall of the pod yeah people don't like that i get i get uh

messages about that on a regular basis pitfalls of the pod this will turn things around. Next piece of booze news. Good news for Jeff. Huh? Topo Chico hard seltzer is now sold in a glass bottle. Hooray. That's the best. There you go. That's a good ass seltzer. They got the big bubbles.

Tim, when you said, you know, here's some news for Jeff, I thought you were going to say Topo Chico teamed up with Mega Man and they're putting out a blue can or something of that nature. Oh, a blue can? Oh, that's Jeff's dream come true.

The blue bot boy who shoots a laser out of his hand. Yep. Jeff, is this true? Yeah, yeah. He's the bot boy. Is he a robot, half robot? Come on. He's a full robot.

He is, but his face is... Okay, so he's like RoboCop. His face is flesh. Yes. Robot Cop. I thought maybe it could be like sort of a silicone or something like that. Okay, but it's flesh face. Yep.

Blood and flesh. Blood, flesh, nerve endings, the whole thing. Jeff, are you excited about Topo? We drank these seltzers IRL, and we all liked them and we've said hey it's a very good brand but you know the the whole point of topo chico is that clear glass bottle and your prayers were answered because i said what what's with these cans they they got the same can as everyone else that's why all same can that sucks he hates He hates these cans, the jerk. That's right.

Hey, good one. That is right. I also, I theorized that Topo knew they have a good brand on their hands, and they don't want to confuse younger drinkers with, hey, is this an alcohol one or a classic? So they were like, we'll play it safe and put it in the same can as all the other seltzers no no this is a good move topo brave nice topo you heard it here first we're proud of you we love you michael you got booze news a little tiny piece of personal booze news this is more of a an observation from the field uh-huh i went out uh yesterday i went to a nice place called the uh dumbo house have you

heard of the dumbo house down under brooklyn overpass yep and dumbo house is something like soho house you know that type of thing where it's like people have uh members you gotta be a member so i went there with somebody who had a membership. And I ordered a Gibson. Oh, my God. I ordered a Gibson. Hey! Which was good.

A Gibson guitar or a drink? No, Jefferson, watch yourself. Jeff, stop. Sorry. I ordered a Gibson, and I said, oh, this is pretty good. And then the waitress came back, and I said, you know what? Why don't you give me just a martini this time? Gin martini.

And she walked away too quick for me to say, like, you know, with time? Gin martini. And she walked away too quick for me to say like, you know, with olive or twist or anything. And she walked away, comes back, nothing in it at all. What do you mean? I mean. No garnish. No garnish, no garnish. Which I've never heard of such a thing. I've never seen just a martini with nothing in it.

In the nude. Me neither. And I got to say say i think it's probably because she inferred you know a gibson is just a martini that has a little onion in it so so you changing your order maybe she's like this guy don't like it onion gotcha you know the deeper we go into this story it's almost like we're peeling back the layers of an onion yeah yeah um a small that's kind of where the layers the one layer it's not that much there's not much more deep there's nothing deeper to this story but uh yeah it felt weird just drinking kind of like a coupe glass with a clear

liquid in it it made me feel you felt naked so a little bit was there uh what was in it like i know there was no actual garnish but but what was the flavor? Because I feel like the garnish. It was just like, it was white vermouth. Yeah, gin and vermouth. That sucks. I'm sorry. Yeah.

But I will say it was not bad. It wasn't very vermouthy, which she did hear that part when she was walking away. So you're just drinking gin up. Yeah, basically a big bucket of gin for me. And I also wore my green suit. Oh, the Kelly green suit. Mike, I got to see this suit. How come you never wear it on the pod?

Well, it's kind of ill-fitting and tight, so it's not the best. But it looks good when I'm walking around. Right. I'll take a picture next time, and I will say, that suit makes people unhappy. What? I thought you got compliments on it. The staff gives me compliments.

Yeah, I do get compliments. The staff at this place liked it. The other people there at the Soho house-ish type place, I think they maybe thought I was a little bit of a goon or a goofball showing up. A lot of stares, a lot of like, oh, my God. A lot of snobs versus slobs kind of behavior. That's right. They let one of those green guys in here.

Who's he with? It's probably some dirty podcaster. I came with DiCaprio. Now I'm getting bullshit. DiCaprio's wearing fucking tennis shoes in here. Well, he's a movie star, Mike. I know. Yeah, how is Pussy Posse 2.0 going?

Me and DiCaprio? Yeah. Pretty good. We're slowing down. He's slowing down and I'm just kind of with him. Mike, what did you think of the onion? I didn't eat the onion because I didn't want to, but I didn't know if you're supposed to just eat the onion like you do the olive.

You sure are. Is that it for Booze News? That's it for me out in the field. Timothy? Okay, that's it for Booze News. I loved it. Kind of familiar, huh? Yeah.

Yeah. A little familiar. Here's something that else is pretty familiar. The drink of the day. Whoa. Today we are dusting off the old fashioned. You've had. Oh, if I had.

This doesn't get more original. this is one of the big boys this is the cocktail i mean if this isn't in you know the classics on your definition of classics what are you doing yeah you're you're quite honestly fucked in the head this is one of those drinks and i'll explain how we i come to this conclusion it the backstory the history is like you're not even worth trying to figure out it's so uh you know ubiquitous ubiquitous throughout time that uh everyone says that they made this thing and no one no one did it was just there oh really one uh one good little uh tidbit i got i hung out with celebrity bartender jack Schramm recently.

I asked him, hey, what do you know about the old-fashioned? And he was like, well, like 150 years ago when they named it the old-fashioned, they were calling it the old-fashioned as a throwback to a longer time ago than that. So that's how old this drink is. It was, this drink is so old. This is like early 1800s

is when the old fashion sort of came into fashion wow before that it was like uh a it was just a cocktail like a cock a cocktail was a cocktail yeah a cocktail was a uh a liquor sugar water and uh bitters now no bitters no cocktail does that make sense yep sure so if you order a cocktail you'd be like give me a gin cocktail give me a vodka cocktail what we're drinking tonight is essentially a whiskey cocktail a whiskey cocktail and then since the the definition of cocktail has expanded and become a whole genre of drinks. Right, right. And I think probably technically it's like what we think is cocktails are mixed drinks. Yeah, that's fair.

There's this too, like, you know, you've got a, the old fashioned is a cocktail. You've also got like a Collins. You've got a, some of these ones I'm looking at here, you've got a flip. A sour? A sour. A fizz. A fizz. That's right.

A flip is a spirit fortified wine with sugar, egg yolk, or egg white, or just the yolk. So that's a flip. And then a smash is basically like a julep, which is like, no, I'm sorry, there's a julep, spirit, mint, and sugar. So obviously we've had the mint julep which is like no i'm sorry there's a julep spirit mint and sugar so obviously we've had the mint julep and then a smash is a spirit a mint and sugar that sounds like a julep yeah so these were the other like in the old days you'd be like give me a cocktail or give me a smash or give me a flip back this sounds like deadwood times or like yeah i think back in the back in the times of the woolly mammoth and the saber-toothed tiger. I don't know.

I think give me a flip sounds more like Tony Hawk times. Yeah, flip me off. Yeah, he's rude. He hangs out with those jackass guys enough. Jesus Christ. So there's a writer. I forget. It was like a newspaper in New York or something, and he wrote, like, talking about this political event, you know a cocktail he had to explain like oh it's a

a drink that'll kind of you know dull the senses but um enliven the spirit love it that's right he's right he's right uh let's see oh people also with with uh before they were called old fashions, whiskey cocktails, would drink them first thing in the morning because they were good for the complexion. Basically meaning you would drink it and your face would get red because it's the only liquid you've had in the day. Yeah, and having a red face is a good thing, yeah. A little bit of a glow, isn't it?

Maybe a little flush. A glow up. So, as far as the old fashion goes, the name, going back to what tim was saying when you know cocktails got a little more um intricate these old timers that the bar would go uh give me a whiskey cocktail oh what type of cocktail the old fashion way that it was made so old fashion just became this catch-all for uh this specific like does that make sense yeah so this is like like guys in the late 1800s saying give me that old thing from the early 1800s yeah yeah that's

great yeah and it's funny that they got it right the first time like you know to this day we were holding on to the old fashion when are we going to do it well let's hold on to this day, we were holding on to the old-fashioned. When are we going to do it? Oh, let's hold on to it. And we thought, oh, Thanksgiving. This actually might be like a nice time where people are feeling reflective and traditional. Yeah, for sure. And old-fashioned. And let's do it. For sure. Yeah.

And they're high off the tryptophan, as I mentioned. They're high. Sleepy high. I remember thinking, like, is it a holiday thing is it a thanksgiving thing or christmas thing and then i went to albertson's on hillhurst by by us there was a whole end cap that was makers angostura bitters and luxardo cherries and i said it's that time of year baby we nailed it i saw that i saw that set up too they're really saying like folks make yourself an old-fashioned this turkey weekend oh we should i should have gotten a wild turkey to make mine

but i didn't so then uh after prohibition there was like the old-fashioned went through some weird phases where then people were muddling oranges and cherries and pineapples into it and like you know powdered sugar rather than a cube, which we'll get into in a second. And then, you know, it sort of got a little wild and then sucked back into what an old-fashioned should be during the 21st century. Mad Men brought it back, baby. Okay. Hashtag Don Draper. Yeah.

It was kind of cool. It was kind of cool to get the old Specific old, old-fashioned Not the new 90s Not the Madonna cut, okay? Give me the Draper You guys Mad Men, you've seen? No

I've seen, whole series Well, do you remember the iconic Don Draper old-fashioned scene? Yeah, he drinks an old-fashioned and he's at a pool party and he's like, if I do the best cannonball, I get to eat all the birthday cake.

Oh, God. You're misremembering. I'm misremembering that one, yeah. No, it's great. He drinks them throughout the series, but there's one particular episode where you get to see he's talking and he's making one as he talks. And you can just feel like, oh, this was a thing they wanted to do. This has been very designed and choreographed. But he's at a wedding.

Don is at a wedding and he sneaks out to like a darkened bar in a side room. And he's talking to, he meets Conrad Hilton. Yes. He's at a wedding, right? Yes. And any,

any mention of his granddaughter? No, I'll say this in, in real life, Conrad Hilton's great granddaughter recently got married. Right. Do you think the, the groom was like, you haven't put it out any movies. Have you? real life Conrad Hilton's great granddaughter recently got married. Right. Do you think the, the groom was like,

you haven't put it out any movies. Have you? She's like, um, I'll tell you after you say I do. Um, um, I,

I actually heard that at her wedding, instead of saying like, do you take this man to have an old, they asked her, are you, uh, do you, do you often act promiscuously and she said i do

would your grandfather say you act promiscuously on a bit of tape actually i want to clear this up real fast i i on the on this show often say that paris hilton is too promiscuous for my taste and then i got a a listener sent me an instagram message and said hey paris hilton was really mistreated by the media can you stop saying that she's too promiscuous and then i wrote back and said oh yeah i know i'm i i agree with you i'm joking then thinking i made a good point there and then she goes yeah i know you're joking it still makes me sad and so i said yeah you know maybe my little joke should go straight up my ass yeah maybe well lesson learned we'll try to be better okay but anyway don draper he's he's chatting away and he mixes up an old-fashioned and you get to see him he's like uh uh is rye okay okay and here and

he does the orange the sugar cubes he puts in a cherry and he muddles the cherry so that's like what you were talking about michael the extra muddling and stuff a little weird and then um he adds a little uh club soda and he spins it in a mixing glass and um that reminded me that another thing uh jack shram said is is instead of normal water if you want to melt that ice cube faster i mean that sugar cube faster you go a little bit of club soda and the bubbles will melt the sugar for you oh the aggressive the aggressive scrubbing bubble yeah yeah what you would put in your toilet bowl put in the same now here's a question for you where did you was schrammer out in la yes yeah and you know there's a there's a death and co in la now and we went there it was great great. He took you out? Hell yeah.

Oh, that's great. Jeff, did you go? I did. I did. I didn't go to the first place Thunderdome. Thunderbolt. It was fantastic. Thunderbolt.

Thunderbolt. Reminds me of my internet connection. Anyway, here, let me get down to the recipe as we've already kind of talked about it. So the recipe for the old fashioned, the way the IBA tells it. Here we go. 45 milliliters bourbon or rye whiskey. I got myself some bourbon. One sugar ice cube.

A few dashes Angostura bitters. A few dashes plain water. The method. Place sugar cube in old-fashioned glass and saturate with bitter. Add a few dashes of plain water. Muddle until dissolved. Fill the glass with ice cubes and add whiskey. Stir gently.

Garnish? Well, garnish with an orange slice or zest and a cocktail sherry. Great. Very close to what I normally do, but not quite. Well, we're mixing it. I love building a drink in the glass, not having to use a mixing glass or a shaker or anything. Now, Jeff, when you say you normally do. Yeah.

Dish. How often are you making these things? Is this a part of your normal life? Yeah. Yeah. If I'm watching Sopranos or I'm just like kind of like farting around and i'm doing like a cocktail uh this is a go-to and i start with this is what i do big ass ice cube bitters on top of that splash of um simple syrup yeah then i whiskey it up luxardo cherry and stir stir stir if i have citrus i'll do the

citrus but generally it's just cherry i i do want to approach i don't have sugar cubes but i do want to do this thing where i'm doing it as close to the book as i can yeah for round one the letter of the law yeah i'm gonna do the sugar cube thing you have cubes i bought yeah i bought some cubes tim you got cubes i've i've got cubes i've been trying to get rid of forever so this is a nice opportunity for me and i like the look of that when you dash the bitters i've seen bartenders dashing the bitters onto the cube and the cubes getting brown and that's kind of a but i love when cubes get brown just in general um but a sugar cube with a little bit of water on it you're making simple syrup so yeah if you've

got simple syrup yes then that's what but i guess my question is i'm just going to do a little plop of sugar and i'm going to estimate a cube's worth is there something in the cubes worth where's my bitches cubes worth is there something about the cube does it have a different taste or is there a different character to that sugar because it stays it's just normal it's one teaspoon of normal sugar i think it's making yeah i think it's just making it sort of like a uh the old-fashioned way or you're doing you're doing the cd version tim and i are doing vinyl yeah yeah okay oh i thought i thought you meant cd like isn't sleazy which it kind of is oh yeah well um

i think that some old-timey guy i i don't subscribe to this but some people like when the sugar doesn't dissolve all the way because they want a little granular treat at the bottom little crunch that tim is something i uh read about too people used to in the old days like when old fashions were big carry spoons with them because at the at the bottom there was all the sugar and they would like spoon it out that's so weird they'd they'd like i gotta carry my spoon with me for when i have an old-fashioned so i can scoop the sugar i think it was more so people would use a spoon at the restaurant and then like leave with it in their pocket accidentally and then just overnight have a bunch of spoons in the pocket i i used to carry a spoon around with me for old

fashions, but then I found if I just grow out my pinky nail kind of long, then I can just use that. Now, I've got questions for you guys about the image of the old fashion and who drinks it and what it says about you, but I think maybe I'll save those questions for when

we're sitting. Too early, yes. That would be nice. That would be nice. Something to talk talk about tim gives us something to talk about we'll be right back folks a little thinking to drink me out are you gonna sing through the break yeah probably at home i've always got a song in my heart oh no Folks, we'll be right back. And we're back with old fashions. What do you got in there, Tim? Where's your old fashioned glass, Jeff? It's dirty, Tim.

Go rinse it off. Bring it. Drink it on the pot. Round two, I'll make Jay's way. It doesn't make much. No. By the book. Well, a standard old-fashioned glass is actually called a double old-fashioned or a DOF glass.

I don't know if you know that. Damn, I did not know that. I didn not know that i didn't know shit i didn't know that i also didn't know anything else tim what's in your is that a big ice cube you got in there um i've got i don't have one of the giant cubes so i've like got three clunkers and then my luxardo cherry just perched atop yeah okay mine mine sunk to the bottom did you express your orange zest yes did we all choose to go with orange twists, like just peels and not whole slices?

Well, I have an orange, but it was... My orange was nastified. It looks like petrified in the fridge. I'm petrified to drink this. Shall we? Yes. Let's do it. Ooh. I did not stir it enough.

Mmm. I mean, come on. Yeah, it's an old-fashioned. It's iconic. That's that taste. When I drink this... It's the taste that ought not go to waste. The only thing I can say after I sip this is,

family, somewhere you can feel safe. Don Draper. Exactly, kid. Thank you for cutting me off because I didn't know where to go with it. All I can say when I have this is, that's what the money's for. The money's the thank you, right?

Even I know that. I think that's a meme one, maybe. I don't remember that. Peggy's like, how come I work so hard and I don't get a thank you? And he goes, that's what the money's for. Ah, yes. That's what I'm always screaming to you guys about the Patreon. I guess I have made myself old fashions before in my home uh but i've never made one that

really looked like it and uh this does feel it's fun to be in your house drinking something that looks like you ordered it at a bar it it really is like the quality of the whiskey is the whole thing. What do you use? Jim Beam. But it's like, which I don't dislike, but if you were going to make a really good one, you just use really good whiskey. If you have a bad one. I'm a Bulleter Seagram's guy most of the time. Seagram 7.

Sure. This brings me to my big question. I mean, I think this is delicious. It's a nice, strong sipper. And it tastes like, yeah, it's like the iconic kind of taste. But I was wondering about, like, when you say what type of whiskey you use makes the whole drink, that's what I was going to ask is, like, who's ordering these? Because if you're, like, I tend to think of an old-fashioned being like i mean everybody likes them it's a very very very popular drink but i think i might associate it with like a slightly pretentious

guy who's like an old-fashioned but the weird thing is they can't be too pretentious right because if if you know a lot about whiskey and you're ordering fancy whiskey yeah you wouldn't muck it you like whiskey bros just drink whiskey neat right and they wouldn't even put ice cubes i drink normal whiskey and i put it on the rocks all the time so i usually don't make myself an old-fashioned because i'm happy enough with a with a whiskey on the rocks so there's this little sweet spot of a person who wants to be classy but doesn't want to drink top shelf whiskey you know i'm saying right this is the california role of cocktails ah yes you know what i mean it's like if if you're entry level if you're just getting into cocktails it's like well we all know the old-fashioned i feel i

feel like a uh a college dork getting into cocktails going to the bars for the first time would get an old-fashioned right yeah and I think the point of like you don't – it's kind of like a little trickstery thing. It's like, oh, I'm a sophisticated person getting old-fashioned. But you don't – you're not going to do like the expensive whiskeys. Like it's kind of a trick in people. No, yeah, it's – I mean, isn't the whole thing with cocktails that it's like –

I mean, this is pre-prohibition by a long shot. But in general, it's like you make a cocktail because the spirits were nasty and rank in the old days. So that's why you're reaching for a sugar cube is because and probably during prohibition is when they started muddling up all the fruit and oranges in there. You're trying to mask a flavor. But if you're dropping $70 on a nice bottle of whiskey you're just taking that straight to the dome the same place where i spit my rhymes from and i see my movies at the dome over those rhymes is that you're not seeing movies at the dome tim it's, who knows? Maybe by the time this episode airs.

Yeah, it's open for one more movie. Here's what I'll say when I was reading up on this and thinking about the taste of old-fashioned stuff in the old days. It's funny to think if you got zapped back in time and somebody made you this drink, it would taste so different. Or if you had a restaurant and had a steak or something it would be oh yeah just taste different but i don't know how i mean you're it's because the uh the whiskey back then would have like a homemade moonshine quality right right right crazy crap and probably have like sawdust in it the orange would taste

completely different because it's like yeah we don't know what an orange tasted like before gmo yeah like the orange we're tasting sure we like it but it might be very different also i'll say uh doing it by the book iba style this is a little sweeter than the ones i would make i even measured a teaspoon of sugar seemed like a lot. Interesting. Speaking of sweet, I'm taking this Luxardo cherry to the dome. Your rhymes. So good. Yeah, those are great.

I wish I knew. You know what we got to do? We've talked before about how in Wisconsin they have these supper clubs where they make these brandy old fashions they muddle up cherries and orange but they also when you order it at a Wisconsin supper club they ask you

sweet or sour and it means like 7-Up or sour mix and they top it off that would be a fun in an old fashion? in an old fashion but it's a brandy old-fashioned. Ah. And brandy is a type of whiskey.

Brandy's rather dandy. Okay. No, brandy's made from grapes, Mike. You'll learn this. It's cognac that's not from the cognac region. It's woody, and it gives you a buzz. That's what that is? Holy shit, that was a long time ago.

That was almost a year ago. One of your Toy Story drinks. Yeah, come on. It's a Toy Story drink. It's woody, and it gives you a buzz that's what that is holy yeah it was a long time ago it was your toy story drinks yeah come on it's a toy story drink it's woody and it gives you a buzz that's pretty good um i i'm with you on the sweet jeff i'm surprised how much uh from just one sugar cube i mean hey this only melted barely at all and already i it tastes really really good. It's getting better as I drink. Well, this is meant to evolve over time, according to Jack Schramm.

Much like a podcast. Yes. At first, it kind of sucks. But it's funny. I mean, the cubes are melting, so that just means there's more water in it. But what on first sip just tasted to me like my Maker's Mark whiskey with a couple of things floating in it, now it's becoming a cool kind of a thing.

There's a crazy thing that happens we've probably talked about before. As it's melting and the flavor is evolving, you're also getting drunker. So it's like it's all two things working together by the end. That's why we're always so happy at the end of these drinks we love them we're also happy to have the episode done you know that's true um i am not being sweet by the smell a lot of times i'll express my orange zest in the drink and then talk about how much it's impacting the flavor I'm not really getting any orange at all I uh I went crazy with the orange and you know I

got on my hands and stuff remember we were talking with SRAM the first time uh we did a like a uh zoom with him or something yeah and he was talking about when you express it like he likes to kind of like get it all over the outside of the glass so when people are like touching the glass and they smell it on their hands they just sort of have orangey smell all over yeah i'll i'll go to a party and i'll kind of uh palm a little orange peel you know then i'll work the room hey how's it going tim i'm a tv writer great to meet you we should do a show on tv sometimes i'm kind of shaking hands working yeah just getting that oil everywhere and then afterwards people have this positive association with me. Like, hey, did you talk to that guy Tim?

Like, I don't know. He was kind of loud and sweaty. But then after he left, I just couldn't shake him from my mind. He's so aromatic, that Cal Packets. He had that weird kind of bump in his palm of his hand when you shake it. Hey, remember we saw a UCb show and how rudnick was holding a piece of garlic the whole show it was ginger i think yeah ginger no it was it wasn't how it was brandon johnson johnson yeah for the whole show he secretly held ginger for a whole

comedy show and everyone on stage was like it smells like ginger and then at the end he was like i've been holding ginger in his pocket or something right i can't remember that was like something his character would have done or what it was so funny because he he denied it for a while or was playing coy being a coy boy and then hal rednick i think was the one who was just like okay now does anyone else smell that like talking to the audience like what the fuck is going on here i smell ginger it was yeah it was like a panel show so he was out there the whole time yeah yeah so that was so so funny and they were like hey do you remember the show we did where i forget who was talking to who but the host said to one of us

mitch or mookie they were like can you identify the object that i'm going to put in your hand and they unrolled a piece of uh paper towel and a little orange bit fell into their hands and they were like cheese and the guy said could you be more specific taco bell cheese and it was correct it was Taco Bell cheese? Yeah, it was just like one tiny little strand And I just thought it was like The craziest first guess ever Huh

Damn I don't remember that I don't know that I could identify Taco Bell I might think it's Del Taco cheese Huh The sugary getting down there at the end, that's good Are you getting crunchers down there? Not really, I kind of melted it all down Too sweet The sugary getting down there at the end, that's good. Are you getting crunchers down there?

Not really. I kind of melted it all down. Too sweet, too crunchy. I like syrup. Here's what I'll tell you. I'm really happy that, you know, Jeff, you said you prefer syrup. You know, me and Mike are doing the sugar cube, but I'm just happy that neither of us got like really like bent out of shape about it or just like we're we're too uh too tripped up

about it you know oh yeah it's it's a pretty easy thing to just kind of have pass over you it's an easy thing if you're gonna use the simple syrup or you're gonna use the sugar cube just make a decision and go with it but don't be all in the site because i mean i don't know if i ever told you it's supposed to be fun. It should be fun. Cocktails are a positive thing in your life, but like, you know how some people, well,

I tell you about the time I was tending bar at the Grammys. No, no. Okay. So I was tending bar at the Grammys and who comes up to me? Bono. Wow. Wow. Wow.

That would make sense. The Irishman himself. When was this? This was, I want to say, two, three weeks ago. Okay. And he did that thing of, hey, how's it going? You know, I'm Bono. You probably know me from U2 and all my philanthropy. I said, yeah, absolutely.

I certainly recognize you. I don't know all this stuff about you, but sure. Yeah, he says to me, he said he wants an old-fashioned, and he'll talk me through how he wants me to make it and stuff. Okay. But it's just that thing of he got. Kind of like how James Bond did with the Vesper. He'll take you right through it. Exactly. He'll take you right through it.

Exactly. He'll walk you right through what he wants. Last week's episode. Here's what's great about James Bond. He's confident and he's decisive and he doesn't get all hung up on one choice. Basically, I recorded on my phone when Bono... Well, because I knew you guys were YouTube fans and I wanted to get to play it for you. Nice. I don't think I YouTube fans and I wanted to get to play it for you. Nice.

I don't think I've ever said I liked YouTube. In fact, I said I rather don't like YouTube, but I'm interested in celebrity stuff. You told me that you like YouTube. Right. Where I do watch some of YouTube's videos. Yes. Daily?

I love them. I like the videos. I don't like the music as much yeah you see him up on the roof uh it's where the streets have no name anyway um yeah uh i was happy that i rolled some audio on this and if you guys want to hear bono i just wish he was a little more decisive but whatever okay so so bono was there and he was not decisive okay yeah and here's what he said oh okay yeah this is i had just hit record on my phone i guess what he was gonna say the first note i heard and then picture me like like, you know. Yeah. Listening. Picture it. Pour some whiskey in my glass.

Add some bitters by the dash. But hey, wait. Uh-oh. I must choose. With or without Q. Wow. choose with or without Cube. With or without Cube. I can't

pick with or without Cube. It's starting to make sense what you were saying, Tim. Yeah. This is what I was getting at. He's wailing like this at the bar.

He did what he said. Yeah. Hey, Edge, how you doing, man? I love the guitar sound you're playing with over there. Hey, how about you take your hat off? You're always wearing that hat, and I want to see what you're working with beneath the brim. Off it goes. Oh, you're working with beneath the brim. Off it goes.

Oh, you're bald as fuck. I forgot to mention the edge was with him. Yeah. Of course the edge was with him. Yeah, we get it. It's the Grammys. It's U2. Yeah.

Yeah. So do you see the indecisiveness? Yeah. So with or without cube, the other option just being loose sugar simple syrup yeah and so but yeah wow yeah what did he end up going with or did he just drop it cube cube wow okay i then picked a cube he sang that whole thing or said that whole thing and then right just picked i mean i guess that's his process he needs to sort of vocalize what he's thinking okay but um it was actually hearing

it back it was actually pretty funny yeah yeah i mean he knows like that's his song like he knows he sings that yeah and the short little thing that, it's so perfect for a podcast. Right. Just for like a quick bite. And the fact that you were there to record it. No, that's awesome, actually. It's appropriate to the topic of the day. Mm-hmm. Man.

The drink. Hey, I'm thankful for that. Yeah, man. That's cool. When you guys make round two, are you going to go with or without Cube? Well, I'm going to make it Bono style with Cube. I'm going to go with Cube, and here's what I'm going to do. Instead of my fancy old-timey Luxardo cherry,

I've got a normal maraschino, and I'm going to do an orange slice. Oh, very cool. So I'm bringing this up from the 1880s into like the 1950s. I might do more or less the same thing as a matter of fact. I want to do a classic J-Man. Love it. Great.

Folks. See you soon. We'll see you after the ads. round two check this one out oh jeffy beautiful that looks more like a dutton special is that one big cube one big cube where'd you get that yeah i got cubes on cubes here all sizes that's amazing look at mine i uh with with the orange slice that looks good with the slice and also the modern cherry it really does look more like a 1950s drink than an yeah and more more tropically yeah oh i should do that i just did the regular i mud i went don draper style and i muddled a cherry into this drink to see if that would bring up the sweet factor.

Now, did you muddle Luxardo? Or did you muddle? Classic. Maraschino. A normal Maraschino got muddled, and then I placed another normal Maraschino. Hey, I got to tell you, the Luxardo cherry is a luxury item. But it's been one of the revelations of this podcast, is discovering Luxardo cherries.

Like, when I'm out of them, I do not hesitate to go buy another little tub of them. $24 little jar. Like a $20 thing of cherries. They are delectable. Have you tried my little life hack, where you scoop a couple on top of some vanilla ice cream? Oh! Oh, Jefferson! Oh, you got cream. Oh! Oh, Jefferson!

Oh, you got a lot! Oh, Jefferson Dutton! Wow, must be good. First and last name? Holy shit, man. Jefferson David Dutton. Hey, you know what we should do? Yes? For a blowout? Maybe even a main. You know you can make your own

Luxardos, folks. Huh? We can make our own Luxardos, folks. Huh? Huh? How do? We can make our own Luxardos. We can brandy our own cherries. Wow. I think we should do that.

I saw somebody online did it, or somebody reached out to me. Oh, brandy. So you cook them in brandy? No, I think they're just called like brandied cherries or something, but you can, you steep them in you take the pits out of a cherry and then you you soak them in i don't know if it's luxardo maraschino liqueur i think it's actually a different product by luxardo but you can make your own you know we've got some of that cherry hearing left over from the Singapore sling, and that's pretty Luxardo-esque.

I wonder if that would work. But no, you don't want to soak cherries in a cherry-flavored thing. Too much cherry. Cherry on cherry. Hey, you listeners at home, laugh along with us. You know, we never really said that point blank, but folks, if you're listening to the show And you hear something funny, feel free to laugh

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You want to grow the show, don't you? I'm ready to wrap it up on this drink. Wrap it and grab it. Give my final thoughts. Okay. Hold on. I'm eating my modern cherry. Delicious.

Continue. Your Pac-Man cherry. This drink is good. It is not necessarily an order again for me. Are you kidding me? Watch yourself. Would you just watch yourself for two seconds? Not even me saying that I'm offended because of the taste

or that I love it so much or anything, but in old-fashioned, you think you could get through the rest of your life without ordering? I will have one again, and I've ordered before, but it's just not something. you think you could get through the rest of your life without ordering? I will have one again. And I've ordered before. But it's just not something... I did an old-fashioned at Death & Co. One of those places where it was like,

okay, I had two of their crazy drinks, and now I'm going to see what they do with the basic. Remember the one at PDT, the Benton? That's where I had it, yes. Because it had a bacon finish to it or something you're confusing me here because you said it's not an order again and then i asked if you'd order it again and you said yes see so do you mean it's not it's not a second round second ground or order again to me is like a do you like it or not like it which is also tough because i do like it i just don't think it's that special for me.

I'm not really in the mood for it right now. All right, you can just call it overrated. You'd order it again. Admit it. All right, I'll order it again. I'll order one tonight. I think it's great. I do them all the time.

Order again and again and again. But don't fuck with real sugar in any form, cube, powder, anything. or at least be decisive about it and don't be wishy-washy like a certain right right right uh get yourself a little syrup or uh hey make it yourself i've never made it myself but i would like to and then um get yourself a luxardo cherry just try it out it's's worth it. I say order again. You're going to drink many of these all the time. They're great.

It's better than just whiskey neat. It's better than whiskey on the rocks. I'm going to blow your minds right now. Listen to this. I'm having more fun with this 1950s kind of orange slice maraschino than I did with my fancy Luxardo and zesty one. So I might be on the kind of Don Draper. I think I would like that Wisconsin one with the muddled fruit in it.

Well, that one, Tim, it looks cooler and it's got more food in it. And I haven't eaten dinner, so this is really coming to the rescue. You got to eat dinner. And before we do these, we got to push the start time back so you can eat dinner. You know what I think I'm going to have after this pod?

What's that? Guess. Bella Luna. Soup? Gyro. Sweet and sour soup. Okay. Wouldn't have guessed it.

I'm Greek. You know what's funny? Tim told you we're telling your story about the Grammys. I think I was at the same Grammys that you were working. Oh, yeah? Yeah. You just singing that song, or that recording, made me think of the time I was there.

And I was in the bathroom with Bono. No shit. He was in the bathroom. I was washing my hands. The singer from U2? Yeah, yeah. The black hair, black sunglasses. Same guy from before, Tim. Irish, yeah. Oh, same guy bathroom. I was washing my hands. The singer from U2? Yeah, yeah, the black hair, black sunglasses. Same guy from before, Tim.

Irish, yeah. Oh, same guy, yeah, that you served at the bar. And I was washing my hands. He walks up to the mirror. He's kind of fixing his hair and washing his hands. And he's getting ready. And he's kind of prepping himself up for what he's going to do. Yeah, indecisive fellow, we already know.

Yeah, yeah yeah yeah and uh so i pulled out my phone and uh i'm gonna i'm gonna hit um play right now the ceremony's about to start i got my hair in the perfect part. You're looking cool, dude. Gotta pick my seat for the night. I want to sit next to someone from the movie Fistfight. Think I'll sit next to Ice Cube. Sit next to Ice Cube. That's him walking. Then he walked out.

Oh, he walked off. Well, I have to say, like, lyrics aside, like, his pitch is just amazing. Yeah, he's perfect. He's good. It sounds different in the bathroom. The acoustics, Tim.

Acoustics. Yeah, that's awesome. He sounded more like the magnetic fields guy to me in that recording. Okay. It's so interesting too because how many degrees were great because i know he had a song that was with or without you and then when he talked to me he said with or without cube and then when you heard of me was saying sit next to ice cube had none of the original words in it but you could see how he got there.

That's the thing with Bondo. You can always understand the logic. Well, that's the thing with Bondo. That's the thing with Pondo. But the edge didn't show up in the recording. No, he's probably too ashamed of being outed for having no hair. What's it with these guys in bands? Just own it. Be like Tom Morello. Oh, you mean these guys in bands? Just own it.

Be like Tom Morello. Oh, you mean little Stevie Van Zandt? Yes. That's of whom I speak. If there are no follicles atop the dome. Yes. Give your hat a different home. Yeah, put it on your hat rack.

That's pretty good. Happy Grammys to everyone out there. Happy Thanksgiving weekend. Do you guys think this is a Thanksgiving weekend drink? I do. I think give it to your grandpa on the couch while he's watching the movies. And while he's listening to this episode. Hi, Grampy.

Hi, Grampy. Say hi to Meemaw. Enjoy your grave. Say hi to Bing Bong and Peepo. I just want to personally, for my family, I want to say hi to Poo Poo and Peepy. Yeah, yeah. And special shout out to all the Rim Jams

and Ding Dongs listening to the pod. Yeah. If Rim Job and Gaper are listening, we love you. But hey, folks, and you too, folks, I move that we do this every Thanksgiving. I think an old-fashioned

is a tradition that you return to. I love it. Mike, we're going to make you order it again. How do you feel about that? Sure. It's a Thanksgiving tradition. This is getting really good now. And I

implore you guys, don't do the waxy mustache vest old-timey version. Get in with a T-man and get yourself one of these little draper guys. You're gonna like it. You're gonna like the way it tastes. Take a pic of that one, T. That's our show. Follow us on social

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