The Sloppy Boys - 65. New York Shrub

Episode Date: January 14, 2022

The guys shake up a fresh new drink that harkens back to the American colonies (all thirteen.)NEW YORK SHRUB RECIPE1.5oz/45ml Rye Whiskey.75oz/22ml Lemon Juice.5oz/15ml Simple Syrup1 barspoon Balsamic Reduction*Combine ingredients in a shaker filled with ice. Shake and strain into an ice-filled rocks glass. *To make balsamic reduction, bring 1/2 cup of balsamic vinegar to a boil. Let simmer until reduced by half, about ten minutesRecipe via Serious Eats Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey folks, welcome to the sloppy boys the show that takes a deep dive into the drinks that you love and is also the number three comedy podcast on planet Earth. Wow. Yeah, baby. We should talk about that more. We should say that every time I tell everybody. I'm Jeff Dutton along with Mike Han Earth. Wow. Yeah, baby. We should talk about that more. We should say that every time. I tell everybody. I'm Jeff Dutton, along with Mike Hanford. Hi.

And Tim Kalpakis. The number one host of the number three podcast we're talking about. This is an Emmy-nominated TV writer, two-time WGA nominee. What is up, Tim Kalfakis? Wow. Wow. That's cool. It's kind of like the bulls coming out on the court.

I got to bring more to the table. Yeah, I can bring a little more pizzazz. Yeah. I mean, my credentials, my resume. I got to beef that thing. A little fanfare wouldn't hurt. A full beef. So I need to address this.

You might hear, the listener might hear some rattling. My heater, the metal on my heater is rattling. I don't know what to tell you. Don't apologize for it. I'm not apologizing. You're right. I won't apologize. It's loud and proud.

My man's got to be warm. I think it's too hot in here, but the building thinks otherwise. Here's what I wanted to bring up just in the shit chat section of the show. Here we go. What? You know, we all know that... Oh, oh fucking a what the hell's his name he's the he's the rapper with the uh we've done an episode on him he's got he's a bud light sponsor oh uh posty post post malone what did he look like before he had the the short hair did he have

dreads how did what did he have braids like yeah like braids yes i couldn't picture it because you had mentioned right before we started recording you had something you wanted to ask us and then you said it was pressing what did boast malone used to look like i couldn't remember his name and what did he look like a guy mike didn't know got a haircut and he just wanted some clarity what it used to look like. Not living in the present at all. So, yeah, that's my contribution. Let's see.

Would that cover about 15 minutes? Let's move on. My shit chat I wanted to bring up is, I noticed this most over New Year's, but it's keeping going. Have you guys noticed that we deserve a big pat on the back for being ahead of the curve on the champagne sabering? I've seen a bunch of this. It's really in the zeitgeist. And Jeff, I don't know. I think it was your idea for us to do that, do our Patreon episode about it back in August. But like I had seen sabering once in Hawaii years ago and forgot about it.

And then we did our episode. had seen sabering once in hawaii years ago and forgot about it and then we did our episode and now um fran said that there's a like an important plot point on the new season of emily in paris is involves some sabrage and then uh new year's there was like this uh instagram account of miniatures like a little felt bottle of champagne was being sabred and we got hundreds of times in that man and in general like people are just tagging me left and right in the art of sabrage i wonder if it's like an algorithm thing like we posted it and got a couple sent to us another algorithm is like these guys love champagne they love sabrage yeah the the uh algorithm is trying to figure me out because like this guy doesn't follow sports he doesn't understand finance or bitcoin what are we gonna do with this guy give him champagne he posted he

liked a sabering thing let's put that up i would like to think that we kind of like uh we used our platform to shine a light on the art of sabrage yeah well you got your finger on the pulse jeff that's a that was a good call yeah you got your thumb in the punt. That's right. You know all the rappers' haircuts. That's great. Yeah. That's great. Hey, thanks.

You're welcome. You know, if I had to pick one iconic hairdo change of a pop star, I got to go with The Weeknd. Yeah, sure. He lost that. He had the palm dreads and then he switched to the kind of uh puffy hair yeah um yeah i'll sell you oh go ahead and go in mike no no no i want to talk about emily in paris okay i was going to talk about buster rhymes cutting his dreadlocks oh yeah it bummed me out the first time i saw busta with a shaved head i was like oh but i'll tell you i love busta i like seeing bloated busta there's not enough big bloated

guys out there that are not fat but just sort of like baked you know that also makes he's got a like a lot of it's like he was always made of dough and then they kind of put him in the proof he is risen. But it sort of fits his voice too because he was already like he had a real canon of a voice. So you got to beef him up. Bow wow like a dungeon dragon. I'm going to listen to some more of him soon. I don't want you going into flip mode, Mike.

I won't. You stay right here in this mode. Mike mode. So what I was going to ask about Emily in Paris. I've never seen the show I hear people who well that's what I'm people who watch it are like this show is terrible I watch every single episode I hate watch it

and then like is Fran's talking about season 2 so she's watching season 2 does she like it or not like it she I believe likes it we mean we'll have to have her on the show to set the record straight but my understanding i watched one episode in the middle of uh jessica was watching it and then i tuned in for one episode and i was like oh this is one of these shows it's like yes you can watch it if you're an adult. And yes, it's got sex and a little bit of raunch, but it's really aspirational for teenagers more so.

Like, you know that serial killer show You on Netflix? Yes. You. I watched that and it was like very much for kids. Like, it's like, there's a lot of this stuff that you can't tell because it's on Netflix, but if it were broadcast, it would be on the CW and you'd say, yes.

Right, I see. Yep. I feel like Netflix specializes in that. I don't care if people like Emily in Paris or not. I'm just curious as to if it is a good show or if it's a hate watch show. Hey, look, I've hate watched stuff.

I enjoy it. I think that in general, I'm going gonna say in general not directed to anyone particular but i would say it's a show here like attention i think that if i had to guess i think it's a show for people they're supposed to sincerely enjoy it and they are stupid people ah oh interesting tim that just sounds cynical to me. Yeah, well, look, they're dumb, and me, I'm reading the works of Sir Oscar Wilde

and laughing my ass off. You know, Phil Collins is not doing so well. I think he's, I think, well, that's his daughter, you know, his daughter is the star of Emily in Paris. Oh. Yes. Huh. Huh.

I'll tell you what, Jessica interviewed her years ago, and I didn't put it together that now she's a big star. Wait, what's her name? Emily. Emily. Emily. No. On Paris.

Oh, Emily. Lily Collins? That sounds about right. Yeah, sure. We don't know right we don't know my dad was telling me about this Phil Collins thing but then he also he said it was he didn't have the name right so I don't know if this is true

information so don't take it from me I think that Phil Collins is at an age where it would make sense if he's not doing so well but But we're praying for you, Phil. We love. Hey, speaking of Phil, I love the drum fill in the air tonight. Different spelling. Yeah.

Different spelling. Jeff, you were about to start talking. No, no. Well, I forgot. Before we do that, we have a little. Beep. Beep, beep, beep. Beep, beep, beep. Oh, my. Beep, beep, beep. I little beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

I'm up here. Beep, beep, beep, beep. Join me down here. Hit it. Turn that blue off to red. Oh. Doctor, doctor. Give me booze news.

I got a bad case of cracking up. Booze News Cracking up Cracking up I hope I can like you know totally crack up So I haven't like totally cracked up in a long time It's Booze News Your freaky deaky little bastard boys oh very good boys oh that was good i that theme was by uh condre three stacks and if you have a booze news team send it to the sloppy boys podcast at gmail.com um i mean i love hearing the crack up kid but even more so i love if you're attuned to garage band on apple computers you would have recognized the metronome sound was left in

was ticking ticking through those clips i heard that but i didn't know what it was you know what you know what that theme reminded me of before we get into the actual news, which I know was very important? You guys are familiar with Lights Camera Jackson. Yes. Have you seen the incredible clip where he reviews Doctor Strange? I just re-sent it to you recently. Yes, you sent it to me like a week or two ago. Every once in a while, I remember it and send it out.

He's looking dead in the camera, smiling, thinking he's got a good one. And he goes, doctor, doctor, give me the news. I got a bad case of Doctor Strange. The perfect play on words. I think if you just look up Lights, Camera, Jackson, Doctor Strange, it's the best. I'm going to slug it at the end of this episode it's like if you're a doctor if you're gonna do a tweak on that thing it's like dr strange is the doctor you're talking to him where to start where to start okay we have booze news here that's gonna

blow your hair back um but it also might piss you off a little bit because it's the type of booze news that i pains me to report that's good for engagement though tim it's okay we can take it well if the engagement is through the roof i'll be laughing all the way to the bank on this one but there is a new flavor of bud light seltzer coming. No! And we just said, we just were like, we couldn't even fucking find the holiday ugly sweater pack. And now they're doing sour.

We don't really care. And we were kind of off the train. And unfortunately, just when I thought we were out, they pulled us back in. Because the next flavor is or variety is the bud light seltzer hard soda variety pack i did see this yeah these are malt beverages and their flavors are classic cola cherry cola citrus soda and orange soda and And I want to try them. Me too. Those sound like they could be winners

because they're doing something normal. So citrus, we're thinking Mountain Dew or 7-Up. I would say Sierra Mist. I think that orange is going to be good. I think that Cherry Coke is going to be good. Cherry Cola. Here's what I'm going to be doing is using these instead of soda in my,

as my liquor mixers and double up the booze and get extra drunk. Oh shit. Laker mixer. That's a great idea. Especially with that cherry Coke. Hey, have I told you, did I tell you guys about this drink that I invented somewhat recently?

That's I'm calling it a Calpe cordial and it's, it's spiced rum, like a Captain Morgan or a Sailor Jerry, spiced rum and cherry cola. And it's so good. So good. I'll even put a little splash of amaretto on top just for kicks.

Well, you're such an amaretto freak. I'm not surprised. It's true. Guilty as charged. Yeah, I'm surprised that wasn't the main spirit. Stop. I told you guys, I,

uh, one time I went to go see the fireworks in New Hampshire and I had some Captain Morgan's in my Coca-Cola. And as we entered the fireworks, the cops were smelling the drinks and he took a whiff and he said, vanilla Coke. Good choice. And I went in and I watched the fireworks. knew right he knew he knew he knows i always thought when i was a kid i thought captains

was like an adult drink it is and now it's like i feel like it's for it's it's for college kids or teens or something no not i mean it's definitely one of the first ones I had. Like, I knew Captain before I knew what Spiced Rum was. I was like, oh, you got to have a Captain. And I guess the only other one I've really had is, like, Sailor Jerry. And then there's, like, dark ones, like Kraken and stuff like that. Why are they all nautical? Oh, because that's where Rum is from.

Rum is from the ocean sea. It's all like Sailor Jerry and what's the other one? Admiral Nelson? Oh yeah, the knockoff Captain Morgan. Admiral Nelson. Oh, I love We should do a special episode about all the bottom shelf brains.

We should be like, oh, this one's first mate Pete. I have some booze news. Hit it. This was sent in from my mom. Janet? Yep. She sent me the, it's like a word she found called Zymergy.

Have you ever heard that word? I've not heard it. Zymergy. I'm going to click to play it so we can get this how it's pronounced. Zymergy. Zymergy. And what it is I lost my thing here. Okay. The study or practice

of fermentation in brewing, winemaking or distilling. Why not just call it fermentation? It's the study or practice. Guys, sounds like we're going back to school. Examples of Zymergy in a sentence. Zach loved experimenting

with new Zymergy techniques. The distillery often offered Zymergy classes as part of its facility tour. Wow. Wow. That's a good one. good popularity over time got huge in the in like 1976 oh i thought you were gonna say like the pandemic or something no what do you think people

were watching jaws and they just i guess what got into zymergy? Jaws. Wasn't that 1976? 76, right? Oh, I see what you're saying. But yeah, I feel like the fermentation game in food was really jumping off lately. Yeah? Fermented tomatoes and all that shit. Yeah, yeah. Zymergy. Interesting.

Zymergy. So do we do like a word of the day? I guess this is the one we do the word of the day is Zymergy. Zymergy. So do we do like a word of the day? I guess this is the one we do the word of the day is Zymergy. Zymergy? So try to use it, folks. Go to a distillery and use it. How about all three of us before the end of this episode, we each have to casually use Zymergy

in a sentence. Does mine count? No, because that came from your mom. Okay. So did I. Stop. Wrap it up did I. Stop. Wrap it up, Jeff. That's it for Booze News? Yep.

Neighborhood cat. That's right. Question for you guys. Do you ever get friends and family saying, hey, you know what you should cover? And then saying a drink name? I can't walk down the street without getting friends and family saying this you know what you should cover and then saying a drink name i can't walk down the street without getting friends and family saying this to me i get friends and family just

suggesting uh words of the day mostly well yes yes it's the lifestyle of a podcaster it is you're trying to just enjoy your life but your family says you got to do this you got to do that i can help i can help well why don't you do a podcast then? Well, see, that's normally my reaction. But in this one case. Oh. In this one case. Brett Butler, our buddy.

Love him. From Slow Children Crossing. Sure. C-Lab 2021. Yep. Hey, which by the way is C-Lab is modern day now. Oh, wow. We caught up. Hey, think about that.

I know, we're past it. He said, you know what you gotta try? The New York shrub. Oh, shit. I have not heard or had. This is exciting. I've never heard of a shrub. I popped out of my seat when I saw the ingredients list.

Yeah. Have you heard of a shrub either of you it it rung a bell and i didn't know um until i googled i was like right that's what a shrub is i definitely had not heard new york shrub no no i think i had heard of a shrub but instantly dismissed the thought you know i mean i'm in i love shrubbery of course so when i'm out in the garden oh we'll bring him a shrubbery oh god money python one of the greats let's do some money python quotes yes yes i'm gonna get into uh what a shrub is because there's a lot of different we're not doing the money python quotes oh you can Python. We each have to make one by the end of the episode.

By the end of the episode. We're going to have a big to-do list by the end of the episode. A duck! That was mine. Continue. The shrub. American version. There's two different kinds of shrubs. There's the European version we're not going to get into.

It's related to this one. This is the one you've got to know. American shrub is a drink or cocktail made with a vinegared syrup aka a drinking vinegar the term shrub is used for this vinegary base as well as the drinks prepared with it unreal wow unreal vinegar vinegar so and the and these most shrubs are like non-alcoholic i'm guessing right so it's just you're just drinking the well originally in the in the colonies people would use vinegar instead of citrus juice to preserve food like other fruits and vegetables you know um back in the day it was like lime juice lemon juice would would be used to preserve stuff when they didn't have that they'd use vinegar so just pickle it yeah basically like they would preserve berries and then what would happen was

they would take they would take the vinegar from the berries that and it had basically been infused they add sugar or honey to it and they would boil it down into a syrup and then that syrup would be used to either add soda water to or alcohol to huh and it and it became what we call a shrub now it fell out of fashion once refrigeration came into the game understandably so we're not doing that anymore we don't have all this weird vinegar lying around but then with the cocktail boom of like the 2010s, people are trying to find new interesting ways of making cocktails. They bring back the shrub.

Yeah, baby. How can I gross my friends out? And then, Tim, you're right. Recently, the shrub has been revitalized as a mocktail. Oh. Due to its complex flavors. Interesting. And its many fruit and vegetable offerings.

Very interesting indeed. I love that. Here's my question. Going back to preserving the fruits. So you put your berries in vinegar, and when you're ready to eat them, you take them out. You're going to eat, like they wouldn't, what would they do with those? They'd taste like vinegar. Those are disgusting.

Yeah, my life was miserable back then. They didn't mind. Okay, so that's the thing. And the people were not smart. Not like us yeah we are zimmerologists yes yes now that's tim's all right tim's is in did i say it right zimmergy zimmergy now this recipe requires us to make a reduction. Done. I did mine. I just texted you something, but don't look at it just yet.

Oh, shit. I'm going to talk about the recipe. I'm going to look. This recipe comes from SeriousEats.com. Love it. Serious Black. Harry Potter. Half cup balsamic vinegar. But you're going to want to make that a reduction.

Hold on. Tim's looking at his text. There's a better way to say it. I'm still not allowed? No, hold on. He's still doing it. He's just looking right at it. Well, what I was looking at was I wanted to see,

on SiriusEats.com it says that this is from a place called Peel's in Nework by yana wolfson oh interesting hey that should be said yeah this was created by someone yana wolfson come on the pod and defend yourself if you're not too busy working at peels restaurant in new york city so this was invented in the 2010s no just the idea of a shrub was oh no this was yes yeah this was invented in the 2010s? No, just the idea of a shrub was. Oh, no, this was. Yes, this was. Okay. So you're going to want an ounce and a half of rye,

three quarters ounce fresh lemon juice, half ounce simple syrup. And then you're going to want a bar spoon, a tablespoon of balsamic reduction. Now, here's how you make that reduction. Half a cup of balsamic vinegar. Not vinaigrette dressing. Nice try, everybody.

Bring it to a boil. Simmer it for 10 minutes. Don't forget you set an alarm and let it burn. Then you're going to want to use a teaspoon of that stuff once it comes down to room temp. But I just texted you guys my first attempt at a reduction. Oh, my. It's a big black sponge in the bottom of a burn pot.

Oh, no, Jason. Oof. I didn't know that a liquid could burn like this. That's pretty crazy. It looks like lava rock. I didn't know that a liquid could burn like this. That's pretty crazy. It looks like lava rock. It looks like igneous rock. Yeah.

And the smoke's coming off it. How long was it in there for? Oh, it was probably on there for like 20 minutes on low. I set an alarm and then I was working on my computer. And when my alarm went off, I was like, what's that for? It must've been from yesterday and just ignored it. And I went to the kitchen it smelled like shit and then in the pot was just this like foamy black sponge on the bottom of the pan nasty i uh fucking this this i've got a love hate relationship with balsamic vinegar i think i've probably bored you guys maybe i talked about

on doughboys that i like balsamic vinegar but i feel like the vinaigrette dressing was like really overused for a long time you know that yeah i had like a moment beigey gray on like spring mix out like when i moved when we moved to la and food was still bad there was like so much balsamic vinaigrette being shoved down your throat but then i bought a bottle of the vinegar for this and i was like oh yeah i like this stuff and i'm excited at the prospect of more like savory cocktails you know yeah i'm very curious about what this is gonna do we finish the recipe jeff how do we what do we do once we have all this oh shit god damn it it's been a while since i introduced you just drink them separately i drink yeah you just you swish them drink the ingredients and then piss them out all right you're gonna like this or i'm gonna like this to make the cocktail pour rye lemon and syrup and one bar spoon of reduction into a cocktail shaker

fill with ice and shake well until chilled strain into ice-filled rocks glass yeah baby okay that's your thing love that shake on ice pour onto fresh ice that's the way to go no garnish right no garnish i'm getting so then what makes this in new york it's uh and my mike you're in new york so you could vouch for if this when you taste this let's see if it really captures the spirit of the city. But I'm guessing what makes it a New York shrub is like, there are lots of shrubs and some shrubs are not alcoholic or whatever. But this one, making it with rye, you're saying, you're in the city here, baby. We do things a little boozy. Yeah, yeah.

It also, this thing with its weird ingredients reminds me, I hate to say it. I don't want to say the words Trinidad S i feel like that's gonna jinx it oh but it reminds me of a goddamn trinidad sour i could well there is going to be some complexity i do believe yeah and yeah i was wondering if it'll be sort of like the bullshot which had the beef broth we're gonna this will have some kind of the bull shot which had the beef broth we're gonna this will have some kind of umami savory darkness to it and lemon let's not forget the lemon so what have we had that's like really similar to this like uh whiskey and lemon is almost a whiskey sour right yeah like so the the non-vinegar ingredients this would be a simple syrup, lemon, and rye. That would be a whiskey sour.

So now we're just putting the shrub twang on it. Yeah. But not very much, just a bar spoon. Right. Here. Go ahead, Jeff. And a considerable amount of lemon juice, I would say. Three quarts.

Yeah, and not much of the vinaigrette. Yeah. Vinegar, not vinaigrette. Or vinegar. Plus, we've reduced it and um you know balsamic reduction is like you'll see that like drizzled on your plate and it's dark black and it's sort of like eel sauce it's yeah and so it's it's bubbled down into a sludge so it's it's it's a concentrated taste but i think ideally when we were simmering it i think a lot of the vinegary sour was supposed to burn off leaving flavor and not and not as much sour but i don't

interesting i don't know i've never done it i uh i was looking at a youtube video how to reduce something like this and it said you know the ingredient or the directions say reduce it by half so this video had a good idea you take like a popsicle stick and you put it in when you start boiling and you see where the line goes up you know the wet line of the vinegar yeah and then when you think it's halfway you do it uh flip it over to the other side of the popsicle stick and dip it in and if it's gone down about half you're good damn that's smart yeah um but this is tough because I put it in my pot and there's not much like, I just kind of had to guess on this one

because there's not much like, you're not putting that much in. It's only a cup and a half. So it's not deep enough to really gauge it. Right. I also didn't have a small saucepan. I only had like kind of a, what I would call a medium large pot.

Yeah. And so I think that might have lent itself to my burn damn dude i also uh i breathed in like kind of looking at it yeah and the balsamic like got in my eyes and nose i was like it's like mason yeah it's funny i like balsamic but i i really don't like apple cider vinegar for whatever reason that's like even more putrid to me you know i i don't know if i mentioned on here but like apple cider vinegar i like it and i had heard from my mom it's like you know you if you can drink it and it's good for you and um so like after a jog i'll put a little bit of apple cider vinegar into a big glass of water and i'll chug it and then yeah it's it's a little stanky but i like it and then i started to wonder

like what is it doing for me like when moms say something's good i don't know whether that's good for digestion or for my skin or like what's it doing for me so i googled like for your men's drinking apple cider vinegar expecting to see like when you drink apple cider vinegar it does this for you and it does that but all the results i saw were like yeah you you drink apple cider vinegar, it does this for you and it does that. But all the results I saw were like, yeah, you can drink apple cider vinegar, but just try not to have too much. You can have up to a tablespoon. And it was like, it was just telling me

I'm not going to be poisoned. It's like, I don't know why you would, but. Digestion, right? And like your stomach flora or something like that. I don't know. Oh, yeah. It must be a digestion because these logs are shooting out of me.

Uh, well, that's enough shit chat, huh? You want to make these? I love it. This wasn't shit chat. This was important recipe chat. Yeah, this was really good. Shit chat is all before booze news. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. You got the intros, shit chat, booze news, history, recipe, boom. You got the intros, chitchat, Booze News,

history, recipe, boom. Now we're flying into the first break. Wow. Folks, enjoy the break. Yeah, live it up during the break. Listen to the commercials and buy the products, please.

Yeah. One of each. All right. Let's do it, huh? Yeah. I'll be back. And we're back! Shrubs in hand.

Shrub shrub. It looks like old oil. It does look old. It looks like the bullshot, doesn't it? It does. It looks like a beef shot, doesn't it? It does. It looks like a beefy brew. Oh, you're... Beige brown. Yeah, mine's like dark, not black.

Also, me and Jeff have a little bit of a frothy foam on top. Mike, you look like you got a big glass of soy sauce there. Am I missing an ingredient? I got... Lemon? Lemon, syrup, syrup, the rye that's it and shook for 15 seconds yeah and you shook it on ice yeah and you got that gave it a hell of a damn shake um how did you make your reduction mike uh the same way turn it up and uh turn it up turn it down up to boiling

and then turn it down. I think I over-reduced because I did all my simmering before the podcast and then I just left it sitting room temp on the stove while we were talking. And when I got there to make this drink, my half cup of vinegar had reduced to barely enough to fill that bar spoon. Oh, yeah, that's over-reduced. I could maybe only get a second round out of this. So I think I've got some real strong.

Nice. Oh, you know what? The video I watched, it was suggesting like, you know, poured into a squeeze box. It was saying to use it like at a restaurant the way they chefs use it. But it was saying like to once it's in the bottle, when you're ready to use it, like put it in like uh jug of like warm water or something to loosen it back up oh wow okay maybe that was because mine was pretty sludgy i should have done that mine was sludgy it was like cough syrup

yeah but um i had enough for like i have a couple more teaspoons left not many but wow well you got a nice flavorful flavorful drink also i made a double because as i was filling up my shaker i was like this that's why it's so much okay wait but i i made a single and i still got a big fat rocks glass what's going on here something's afoot well let's do some sips and then we need to get universal measuring tools we need universal health care don't get hey save that for booze news here we go Healthcare. Don't care.

Hey, save that for booze news. Here we go. Zing! Okay. You're getting the full force of all that vinegar. Woo, it's zippy. I put a little, I think I went a little extra on the balsamic too, because I really wanted to taste that.

But it's a good amount. It's so funny. Normally, if something's strong, it's because one thing is like, ooh, I'm getting a lot of that. But I'm getting a lot of everything. So I think they're in correct measure. But I'm like, that's so much lemon. That's so much vinegar. And that's so much rye.

Ouch! Wow. I'm liking it. It feels balanced to me yeah me too and it's not i'm not getting the uh the effect tim is like this isn't he's on the floor it's got him it's got a bad make me cough though um oh this is interesting yeah what does it remind me of it is a little whiskey sourish but it's a whiskey yeah i mean it's that lemonyness of it is very much a whiskey sour and then the balsamic it didn't it didn't make it all the way to like savory because balsamic vinegar is sweet you know wow what maybe like i'm not really tasting any

Maybe you're not supposed to But like any of the simple syrup I wonder if that's even necessary I think that that's For balance it is Yeah take the edge off the lemon and the vinegar Those drinks taking the edge off of me Keith my buddy

Talked shit about the Trinidad Sour And it came out that he didn't put Enough simple syrup in it. It came out. Oh, my God. This fucking guy. I was so embarrassed for my friend. Yeah.

And you mean to tell me that the Portland main district trusts him with their weather forecast? He's a weatherman. I mean, Jeff, this gives you a good reason to fight him again you know i know keith your ass is grass man i run for the hills you might want to stay up there in the northern part of the country because jeff is p.o'd i've never seen him so pissed but i told him you need the syrup for balance yes we all need a little balance in our lives. Simple syrup does it. So your drinks are not, I like this, I'm enjoying it,

but are yours not like very zippy, zazzy, zesty? It makes me cough almost every time I drink it. Yeah, but I've had like, I've had sour-er stuff. This is like what I imagine like, A warhead. Like a Doc Brown's hangover cure, wake up juice. Yeah, yeah. This is what they I imagine like a warhead, like a Doc Brown's hangover cure wake up juice. Yeah, yeah.

You know what they gave to soldiers? The extra ice in the glass is nice because it's cold. Like if this was room temperature or not room temperature, but the way like a martini can tend to not stay cold. This would be weird to drink. I like vinegar. I like to drink it and did you guys ever have um other than the apple cider vinegar in my post jog water uh i think my only other experience is with drinking vinegar is i think it's just called drinking vinegars have you ever had like um

i went to there was a restaurant that was big in portland and then it came to la called pock pock did you ever go there i've heard of that it was like it was a thai place and i think the problem was like it was run by the celebrity chef chef and it was a white guy who had a thai place and i think that that could fly in portland but then when it came to la it's like we have so much so many great thai restaurants already so it went out of business pretty fast but um me and our buddy ben axelrad went there for lunch one time and i had specifically heard that they had these like drinking vinegars and they were non-alcoholic cocktails with vinegar and oh i think i told you guys about this meal after because what was crazy is I drank all this vinegar and then we ate the food.

It's like Thai food, you know? So it was like really spicy wings and really intense flavors. But as me and Ben, and me and Ben are kind of like foodies. We like to go and get a whole table full of stuff and go nuts. And as the meal went on,

like our favorite thing was the water. Ben was like, have you noticed this water is like really good. And I was like, I have noticed, is this coconut water? What's going on? And then on our way out, we went to the bartender and we're like, that was the best water. It was just like ice water with cubes. Like what was the deal with that water? And he was like, come here.

And he had a big bucket and he had put something called pandan in the water and it's these leaves it's like thai thai vanilla they call it it's just like these leaves with this very mild flavor but they had put the leaves in the water and it's such a mild flavor that you don't you don't even like cognitively notice an interest going on um but what was funny was so we were all excited about this water and then ben ordered some of the leaves and then we were making this oh yeah i remember making your own panda in water and then we loved the panda in water and then a couple years later there was a birthday party i want maybe it was like ben's 40th or something. And I was like, I know what I'm doing. I'm making like 100 gallons of pain band water.

So we bought like big sparklets water coolers. And my kitchen was like full of water. And I marinated the leaves. We like ordered leaves from Thailand. So then at this party, we had these coolers of water. And I was like walking around like everyone like, hey, you drinking the water? Can you blow out this water? And there was like a keg of beer.

And everybody just drank the beer. Nobody touched the water. I remember that. Did you tell them it was filled with pandan? I spent the whole party like as a promoter for this water. I was like, you know, it's pandan. It's a birthday birthday we're all trying to have fun and you're promoting leaf water oh tim you know there's leaves in the water not anymore they were in there i fished them out that's why we're not drinking it oh you know i i don't know like if i went to a guy and was just like hey what's

in this water and he was like come here and he pulled me over and he showed me water with a bunch of green leaves in it. I would be like, what the fuck's going on? It was just in the moment it was so validating that there was an answer. It was such a mild flavor. We were like, what the fuck? Just like seeing like soggy green leaves floating in the water. It's pan then. I am a pan fan of this drink.

Yeah. I forget that rye whiskey, or at least the Elijah Craig that you got me, Tim, is 94 proof. Oh, damn, dude. We're going to be doing a few Technicolor yawns after this. Oh, yeah. Hey, you know what I'm going to suggest? If I had it, I would do it for round two. Cucumber in here.

Cuc. I could see that. Turn it into a full salad. Why not? Well, see, a lot of these, the mocktail shrubs, they do all sorts of crazy stuff. They'll do, you know, because they just marinate all sorts of, you know, cucumber, rosemary, ginger, berry. Ginger makes a lot of sense with vinegar. You know what I was just thinking?

If you can reduce balsamic vinegar, can I reduce pickle juice and make a nice little sludge of dill? Pickle reduction. Can you reduce pickle juice? And then I'll put it on my vodka on the rocks and I'll be a little dill boy. And then you make that reduced pickle juice. Hey, I'll put it on my vodka on the rocks and I'll be a little dill boy. And then you make those, you

make that reduced pickle juice. Hey, reduced or not, you should make pickle juice ice cubes. Oh. Huh. Yeah. Listeners can't see this, but Hanford is sitting there so pleased

with himself over this idea. That's a good idea. I wish the listeners could see me. I just sat back like, what are you thinking of that, see this but my hanford is sitting there so pleased with himself that's a good idea i wish the listeners sat back like what do you think of that huh well i'm done for the night that's my i think that would be a good idea i think um yeah what else can you reduce i would reduce orange juice i'd reduce the whole everything you can reduce a fraction i used to do back in high school high school last day of 12th grade tim we can all graduate if you reduce this one over two wait that's already reduced okay two over four. I don't know. Yes, yes. I'm not a Zimmerologist.

Oh. You know what? It's interesting, this drink. This drink makes you kind of want to do a silly walk, Monty Python. Yeah, very nice. The ice cubes are like the melting. It's taken away all the fun flavor from the beginning. This is one where I don't like the ice cubes.

Oh, that's Mike. That's a scathing counterpoint to my favorite way to drink a cocktail. I know. So Mike, you would like your New York shrubs served up. Up, up, up, but stay cold, cold. Maybe I've got a bunch of little cubes. Maybe need a big cube so there's less less surface area there you go i'm in a perfect meltiness right now or i'll say right now i've got myself just a delicious delicious whiskey sour with the aftertaste of salad yeah with suddenly salad uh

i'm gonna put a little more vinaigrette next time. I'm really going to push it. I'm going to find the line, you know? Yeah. Push your limits. Well, you'll be dabbling in zumerology soon enough. In no time, yes. I'm done with mine. Should we do a round two? Is it time?

It is. Sure, if you're into it. I just wanted to ask you guys, why is that penguin standing? What's that penguin standing what's that penguin doing on your telly yes the dead parrot sketch right is that what that is no it's a penguin wait penguin yeah there's a penguin on the telly do they have a dead penguin sketch no he's not dead he's alive he's standing they say well yeah after the dead parrot sketch they would do the living penguin sketch.

They could never top that dead parrot, so they tried everything they could. Mike, there was a Monty Python thing we used to quote all the time from the bishop. Remember that? It was like, don't do it, Vic! Don't do it, Vic! Oh, yeah, because it was like any time the vicar said a blessing, he would explode.

Terry Jones was always too late. He'd be like, don't do it. We're too late. Funny show. Funny show. They should call it Funny Python. Yeah. Now, a few weeks ago during the Bellini, we talked about kids in the hall.

And now during the shrub, we're talking about Monty Python. Are we going to try to do a, like, are we going to do human giant next week? Are we going to get to all of them? Because I need to know. I need to know. I need to know. I need to know right now. Well, you guys know me. I think I do a good Tom Petty impression.

Other people think not. I think it's good. See, in my head right there it sounded exactly like tom petty well that was also the same thing with my uh my tony soprano look at me now mike you you've got a tom petty looking vibe too you should make a viral video where you do the character yeah i'll do the tom petty character good good. And then at the end just be like, little shout out to Tim for telling me to do this after all. To do this, man. That's

good. You gotta do that on Fallon. Don't do me like that. Let's get off to round two. Yeah. Okay, folks, we're headed off to round two. Yeah. Sit back and relax. Enjoy your drink and enjoy, or if you're not drinking, just enjoy the commercials.

Yeah. Yeah. Enjoy your drink and enjoy, or if you're not drinking, just enjoy the commercials. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, try and enjoy the commercials. See you over again. See you after the break. After these messages. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

and we're back with our final thoughts on the new york shrub um order again round two i like stanky drinks and i like uh you know savory drinks and i'm opening up my heart to rye whiskey. I used to be a bourbon guy, and now that spice is nice. I used to be a bourbon guy. Yeah, this is an order again for me. I'm excited to go out and say, I'll have a New York shrub. Whoa, this guy's cool.

You said, Jeff, this was invented in 2010. Yeah, the New York shrub. Yeah, the New York Shrub. Yeah, by Jana Wolfson at Peels. But the idea of a shrub was also in the 2010s? No, the idea of a shrub was colonial times. Okay, okay, okay. The American idea of the shrub. The British is even before that,

and it has more to do with the preserving of the berries. You can go down a rabbit hole if you want to look into shrubs i think i just did with you well for me it's an order again and again and again 10 or 20 in a night i made this one extra savory and i suggest you do the same at home it's an exciting drink interesting it's new uh the only bummer, the only downside, I guess, is that I would feel weird going into any bar and being like, New York shrub, please. No, you got to go to Peel's. They're not going to know. Yeah, you got to go to Peel's.

What? I don't think you could order this really anywhere, but you can make it or you can go to Peel's. Any cocktail bar, I think, would know what you're talking about you could tell them if they had like balsamic reduction it's not like you know a lot of places don't necessarily do pickleback shots but when you say it they go grab some pickle juice from the kitchen right balsamic vinegar is in a in every restaurant but trying to get them to simmer it down for 10 minutes okay simmer down now yeah that's a good uh question though because i almost grabbed balsamic vinaigrette just like newman's own or whatever at the grocery store today do

you think there's a poor man's version where you use just easy salad dressing well not salad dressing because that newman's is gonna have like olive oil in it and stuff but i bet greasy drink if you poke around hey wait a second that reminds me what if you want to keep things kind of greasy neil campbell told me that he's been noticing he was at two different cocktail bars recently and noticed olive oil as ingredients in some of the posh cocktails he texted texted that to us't he? Now you don't mean Popeye's girlfriend. You mean the actual oil from the aisle. I'll double check with Neil. He could have been Popeye's girlfriend.

And sometimes Bluto's love interest as well. When Popeye's getting cucked. Fucking I bet if you're in the vinegar aisle at Alberbertson's you poke around maybe you can find a little can of reduction then it's already been boiled down oh hey if you do you had better luck than i did today great well hey that's the shrub we that's the shrub and not just any shrub though

right guys what type of shrub was this you look shrub oh and speaking of that are you ready for the new york quiz Oh, wow. Yeah, okay. Yes, I composed and produced that theme song for this. Oh, my God. Who did you get to do the vocals? That was me. Are you guys ready to have your wits challenged about a certain Empire State City? I'm in an Empire State of mind. Tim, I just had a strong double. I am ready to answer questions.

Now, this is a city where Hanford dwells, and Jeff actively chose to not go there with us but weeks ago. I can't. I just can't. I can't do anything, actually. I can't do anything. I can't have anything, actually. I can't do anything.

I can't have fun. Do they have a video game there? Yeah, probably. I told you all that stuff in confidence. How dare you spit it back to me word for word on the pod? Okay, I'm about to grill you with some New York trivia. So here we go. Question. you don't have to buzz in you don't have to say your name you just blurt shout it well in october 2014 we all went out

to new york didn't we all together yes, yes? And you might recall you might recall that we stayed at this rather posh hotel in Midtown Manhattan where we dined at the lobby restaurant run by none other than Chef Golden

Ramsey. Posh Hotel, Midtown Manhattan. Currently defunct hotel. Currently defunct. Well, well, well. Defunct hotel. Now, what hotels are defunct?

Do we see Kate Upton in front? Yes. Walking in? Yes. Walking in? Yes. Buchanan? No. I'll give you a hint. The Drake. Oh, here's the thing. The Mallard. Think about the chef

of the restaurant and what type of place is he from? And why did Tim say, rather posh. Oh, the Englishman the english the london the london hotel oh the london i forgot about that that was a nice hotel hey good enough for us and kate upton there you go i gotta keep track here that was might one for mike when you say 2014 you mean for the birthday boy season two yes Yes, we were doing press and we were given a little per diem and we spent it all over at Gordon Ramsay's. And yeah, I forgot about Kate Upton and it was rather a fancy affair.

But question number two. Uh-huh. Well. Yeah. In October 2013. Oh, I'm not good with the'm not i can't go this far back go ahead we went to new york and we stated this hip hip hip hipster hey god damn it fuck yes there you go we dined at the breslin and the john dory oyster bar and we pepped up at stump town coffee didn't yeah? Yeah, that was nuts.

Like, we were given a lot of money, like per diem, to use at that specific restaurant. I remember, that's the best thing with the per diem was we were out and about and, hey, partying. And I didn't use my hotel credit at all. And then on the last night, I was like, shit, I got $600 to spend at this restaurant. So I was just like ordering like lamb shanks left and right.

That was crazy. How did that come our way? Oh, you know what? I think at the Ace, I took a bathrobe. Like, you know,

like at the Ace, it's like, hey, if you like this fancy shampoo, you can get it in the lobby. Hey, if you like this, you can keep one.

And I, and I said, hey, I'll take one of those bathrobes. I'll tell you, I took a bath on the financials of that trip. Oh, yeah, I bet you did. I couldn't get in the bath.

The damn bathroom was so small. Okay, question three. In June 2008. Oh, Tim. We all went to New York, didn't we? Oh, yeah, we did. And you may recall we stayed at this cheapy, cheapy hotel near the Empire State Building. All right, Tim.

Radisson. What, Mike, what'd you say? Yes, La Quinta. Michael, there's a little hotelier over there. A couple blocks from MSG, the place where Jeff didn't want to see fish. But he will be there in April. He guarantees it. April 2022.

Now, Tim, quick question before you keep going down deeper and deeper down memory lane. Did you look at your emails at all to figure out where we were? Or is this just off the dome? I looked up the emails because I wanted to know the months. October, October, and June. Okay, great. So unfair to expect your friends to remember. Okay, keep going.

Well, there were other hints in there. Okay. Well, in 1992. Do they all have to start with, well? I mean, it is a quiz. Yeah, it's true. Well, in 1992, Kevin McAllister went to New York, didn't he? Yeah, he sure did.

He stayed at this Central Park adjacent hotel where he was waited upon. Yes, the Plaza Hotel. God damn it, Michael. Rob Schneider waited on him. Yes, and he saw- And he bumped into a buffoon in the lobby. Okay, so you said Rob Schneider and a buffoon by the rest of my question can we get a bonus point for how many what color the buffoon's hair was yeah orange okay side point for jeff mike yes thank god fucking a jeff you have one

that's a full side point yeah well yeah but we haven't talked about the exchange rate just yet um is it just is do people make fun of him because his hair is orange or his skin is orange well both technically um my question i didn't get to finish it but i was going to say that kevin was waited on by the rich meister and saw a certain cheeto man in the lobby so we have covered all the same uh yes yes okay uh mike you had four points jeff you're one side commander in carrot okay stop it okay next question hey don't separate the art from the artist pedo filmmaker woody allen played clarinet at this hotel's cafe for over two decades uh uh the carlisle yes how do you know this stuff it's also the hotel from the bill murray christ Christmas special I didn't think I knew all this

I wouldn't have known that either I know Well, Bemelman's Bar is a famous lounge down there Yeah, that's been suggested to me It's fantastic Okay Homestretch here Well

Are they all hotels? I won't say Go ahead This legendary bohemian hotel I won't say go ahead this legendary bohemian hotel is where Nancy of Sid and Nancy died and where writer Dylan Thomas died

plus 2001 a space odyssey was written there plus it was in songs by folky strummers Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen and it was just a few blocks from the old UCB theater and if you want a hint think about that old UCB theater what part of Chelsea is that yes it's the Chelsea Hotel. Very nice, Jefferson.

Catching up. 2001 was written there? Yeah. Was that your? The novel, I believe. Oh, okay. Now, before we get to the final question, Mike has one, two, three, four, five. Jeff, you have one plus one side point.

Right, right, right. I'm really hoping for a good exchange rate on those side points yeah do you want to move that side point into your points bank right now or what what do you well is it is a side point worth like 10 points no here's the thing side point is point but but you are allowed to quadruple boost it if you want in order to make it worth four points overall but that's only if you yeah that's a pretty good move and what's this current score right now just normal points mike has five you have one one and a side point so oh so if i i know i if i. So if I take the side point and turn it into a point, but then if I quadruple boost, then we'd be tied. Right.

If you use the side point and also chose to quadruple boost. I'm going to flip a coin for it. Hold on a second. While Jeff is finding the coin, because we've run into this before, you don't ask, do I have any boosting power in my points? Mike, if you wanted to, you could demote one of your points. I could. I could.

Okay. Okay. Ready? Here we go. It's tails. What is that? That means I'm going to quadruple it oh my god this is crazy man so let me do the math here one point plus then he added a side point as an exchange rate of just

only one but then quadruple boost we've got a tie game i'm glad jeff that you actually did get a coin and you left it and said tails means yeah yeah you were off you were off your headphones there jeff but i have the option to demote one of my points because I asked if there's anything I could do with my points. Oh, are you? Mike, you should. No, I'm going to. I'm going to waive that because I like the tide position we're in now

because I want to. Right, that's better for you. So you're waiving the right to demote one of your points. See, because, Mike, I wish I was you. I wish I had the option to maybe demote some of my points. Yeah. My points are staying in my point bank. That's actually really cool that you have that option.

Just saying. It is. No, it is cool. It's one of the best parts of the game. Okay. The final question. This one's for all the shrubs. Well, speaking of New York hotels,

Well, speaking of New York hotels, Mike Hanford once recorded an episode of the Sloppy Boys podcast from a Brooklyn hotel room. My question to you is, what was the drink of that week? Tim, that was the Long Island icedced Tea. The Long Island Iced Tea! I recalled it because Gabrus made fun of the wall behind you. Oh, yeah. It was a rough place. It was like...

Didn't somebody come to your door? Yeah, while we were recording, the front desk person just opened the door. I was like, oh, I'm were recording, the front desk person just opened the door. I was like, oh, I'm in here. She's like, oh, yeah, okay, sorry. And I was like, is everything okay? She's like, everything's fine.

So why are you entering my room unannounced? She was hoping to get a peek. And then in the morning, I heard a couple screaming at each other in another room. I love the Sloppy Boys. boys no i love the podcast i like the albums i love you um the winner is michael hanford congratulations thank you thank you i'm glad to know i i know a lot about hotels i i didn't know it hey mike you put up a good fight yeah and you won because of it. At the end, it got pretty nail-biting. Yeah, and Mike,

as your gift, this one's going out to you. I'm going to play the quiz theme song for you one more time. Goes out to Mike Hanford. Hit it! Thank you! Welcome to New York It's been waiting for you yep she says York

right there at the end yeah and then there's it sounds like what's that little ring-a-ding-ding sound is that like a train it's like a slot machine

like you're winning winning oh yeah yeah yeah okay the ring-a-ding-ding ring-a-ding-ding ring-a-ding-ding well it was a good episode wasn't it Yeah, okay. The ring-a-ding-ding. Ring-a-ding-ding, yeah. Ring-a-ding-ding.

Well, it was a good episode, wasn't it? We didn't all win every quiz, but... No, I guess we all didn't. No, but we had a couple good sips. That's true. Good sips from a good drink recommended by a friend of the pod. That's a good episode. Thank you, Brett friend of the pod. That's a good episode. Thank you, Brett. This was great.

This was a good recommendation. Yeah, this was great. What a now crazy new tier of cocktails out there. And it kind of raises the bar. If you're a friend of ours and you want to open your big mouth and recommend a drink to the pod, it better be good. Yeah. Real good. High stakes.

Yeah. Pie and steaks. And Mike, you gotta get out to Peel's and have the real thing. I will. I'm gonna see if they're still open. I mean, not tonight. See if you can make it out there tonight. It would mean a lot to me. Well, that's our show. Be sure to follow

the Sloppy Boys on social media at the Sloppy Boys and we're going to release these episodes ahead of time. So you can drink along or not, that's up to you. Check out our Patreon, that's patreon.com slash the Sloppy Boys and you can listen to our bonus episode, that's

the Sloppy Boys blowout. Jeff, this might be the shrubbery talking, but I think you said we release the episodes ahead of time. What? We release the recipes ahead of time? I said what? But maybe, again, this could be, maybe I heard it wrong. You got vinegar brain, huh? I think

at this point the listener knows the recipes are put out ahead of time. Well, I hope so, because, but I know this. I know this. If we're going to take people to task, the freeloaders here on the main, we got a lot more listeners than we do followers on social media. It'd be nice if some of you guys, maybe, like, I don't have an Instagram.

Why don't you start one? Start one, or just go to your browser and type in www.instagram.com slash the sloppy boys. Because wouldn't you agree? We're more than the podcast is this one facet. But if you're following the accounts, we're fun guys. There's stuff going. There's inside jokes from the Twitter and the Instagram that don't make it on the pod. That's a whole world.

You get on the discord. And then this is like your own private Reddit just for you to talk about the sloppy ways we're in there mixing it up. Hell, I'm on there all the time. That's where I get my booze news from. People give it to me. And yeah, don't, if you want to do an Instagram or Twitter, don't worry about that. Join Patreon. That's where all the fun.

Oh yeah. That's where we start. Instagram, not a big deal to me. You being on the Patreon is a big deal to me. You being on the Patreon is a big deal to me. And yeah, you could be a slophead, or you could pay more and be a big money hustler, but if you give $100 a month, you can be a pay pig. And we're still waiting for our first pay pig. That first pay pig is going to...

A whole episode will be dedicated to that person. Oh my God. Yeah, we should. Well, hold on. They're supposed to get off on the paying, not the perks. The first pay pick. They're going to get really turned off. It's going to hurt their

arousal if we give them anything. Yeah. Well, folks, we'll see you next week. Later. Knee! Knee! Yeah! Hey, good one, Mike. We next week. Later. Knee. Knee. Yeah. Hey, good one, Mike. We did it.

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