The Sloppy Boys - 72. Cabernet Sauvignon with Carl Tart

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

The guys welcome Carl Tart for their first-ever wine episode. Plus, new artwork from Official Niece of the Pod TyG Hanford. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey folks, welcome to the Sloppy Boys where we take a deep dive into the drinks that you love. I'm Jeff Dutton along with Mike Hanford. I'm not rolling yet. Hold on a second. Hold on. Oh, boy. I usually like to say rolling, i'm not i just wasn't i'm rolling and i'm ready to roll and tim kelpakis what is up vino stylies oh from the vineyards of grappa and joining us today we have a very special guest this guy is podcast royalty

you know him from the flagrant ones and gossip kings he's also one of the stars of nbc's new series grand crew please welcome mr carl tart oh my gosh my brothers my brothers yeah i thought we would have maybe included in his uh his credits you, he's been on Questions for Lennon more than once Damn, oh yeah and I would say that's, I haven't checked your IMDB in a while but is that the top is that on the top of your list? First podcast I ever got paid for

That's what I'm talking about First podcast I ever got paid for, I couldn't even believe it He wrote me a check, I was like, man, I would have done this for free, I'll take the check But I would have done this for free He said that and I tore it up, I said, well. I was like, man, I would have done this for free. I'll take the check. But I would have done this for free. He said that and I tore it up. I said, well, that's fine. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. A check. Wow.

This was pre-Venmo for me. Yeah, it was a check. Now, don't cash this. Actually, don't cash this. One year. This is more of a souvenir. This is more you want to frame this and post it up. Well, Carl, you're our third guest ever.

Yeah? Yeah. We don't take guests lightly. That's tight. We wanted someone that we associate with a drink that they're coming in. We think of a drink and we say, oh, you got to have that person. And when we think Vino, you're the only name on earth that we thought of.

Because I'm dark and full-bodied? Yes. You're rather tannic. Yeah. Today we're, well, hold on. Let's not get into that. I was about to jump into the drink. We don't do that.

No, not yet. Back it up, back it up. I know. We have a guest. I'm sort of falling apart, too. What happens too what happens well here's what we talk about is we're most of interest to the slop heads is going to be carl's music this is wancho cash you're going to know him yeah from lamar woods albums these guys are rapping about the americana and if you're a slop head you got to check out this music how did you guys, how did that all start?

Well, first of all, they never told me that we weren't doing rap names. Lamar has a rap name. That's what his friends back in Atlanta call him. Like, that's his, like, his nickname. But he didn't want to, he wanted to, he was like, I want to have more music than just rap because he likes folk music. He likes, so he's like he's like i'm gonna that way nobody has to search other names on spotify i was like well thanks for telling me your bonehead

like i could have had this under my own name but i i was like oh man what am i gonna be and i was watching wancho hernan gomez play basketball i was like wancho is such a cool name like and then oh want your cash like i want your cash oh like that and so i was like yeah that's gonna be it and then he was like all right what are we putting as your rap name and i told him and he's like cool lamar woods and want your i was like a real person and a comic book character yeah and and and like when you're like when you're a comedian nobody takes you musically like you musically serious even if you're doing it seriously. And so just like T.I. is doing stand-up now.

Carl, we know how it is. If you're a comedian doing music, you never get taken seriously for it. Never get taken seriously for it. Yeah. When I came up with my Instagram and Twitter names, at first I was like, oh, what's a funny name? Like when you did your Insta Messenger names when you were a kid. I was like, what's it going to be? It's got to be something funny.

I was like, no, no, you idiot. Mike Hanford, just do that. That's what people will look for. That's what the people want. And I think if you check my likes, it's worked out pretty nicely for old Mike Hanford. Yeah, I saw you got a like the other day. Yes, and thank you. I do want to thank, God, I forget his name. I think it was Adrian or something.

Love that Adrian came by and said good job in so many words. Yeah, no, we have a good time doing the music stuff. Just like, I mean, we've done concerts together. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The satellite, rest in peace. Yeah, the satellite. I miss that place.

That was always a fun Saturday night spot to go kick it at. That's got to come back. That was sort of like our UCB musically. Like when we started the band, that was the place where we started doing shows more regularly and figuring it out. Yeah. Okay, if I have to, hold on a second. I got to pull out of my head.

We got a guest on the show. We knew this was going to come. Oh my God. I'm in, I'm at my... Let me turn this up. I'm at my brother and sister-in-law's house and we know what that means. Tig Hanford shows up. Tig, how are you? You're good?

Do you want to show what you're drinking? She nodded. She's good. Oh, Tig, what is that? What you got in there, Tig? She's drinking the drink of the night. Red wine. Can I guess what that is? What is this? Is that what I guess what that is? What is it? Is that what I think it is?

Pomegranate? It's pomegranate, isn't it? It's pomegranate juice and seltzer. She said it. A little seltzer, a little bubble. She doesn't fool around. She does a lot of add seltzer to a lot of stuff just to give it a little adult taste.

Tig, is pomegranate still your favorite flavor of vitamin water? Yeah. For the listeners, she's waffling back and forth, but yeah, it's what she likes. And she made me breakfast this morning, eggs and bacon and cinnamon buns, and I had pomegranate juice with that. I lost a tooth on the way to Uncle Mike's.

You did? Is that the tooth you lost right there? Yeah. Wow. They came to New York this weekend. We watched an Islanders game, and then they brought me back up here in the van. Are you going to put the tooth under your pillow?

I already did. Already done. What did you get? I got a dollar. I got a dollar. I got a dollar. I told her it should have been $20. I wanted to see what it would be like in New York, but then my mom didn't put it under my pillow in New York.

Yeah. You would get more money if you were in the city. My God. It wasn't in the pillow, so Toots Fairy had no idea what to do. No. Yeah. Do you want to tell them what I did to your brother today? Oh yeah Will was spitting in my food

And then Uncle Mike put his head in the toilet What's going on over there Mike? I told him Because he was faking like he was going to do it I said if you do that to her I'm going to put your head in the toilet And he did it And I picked him up.

And I still ate my eggs. That'll teach him. Yeah, she still ate them. Well, do you want to show them what you've been working on? So these guys all love your Bart Simpson picture. Oh, yeah, we saw it on Instagram. Oh, yeah, that was great. That was a big hit for us.

And then she drew something else for us today. See Tig's latest. Oh, look at that. Oh, God. We'll post this online so the viewer or the listener can see. And it says, what's up? What's up? This is a skateboarding dog.

Is that what I'm looking at? It's a bunny. A bunny. And he's wearing jean shorts. He made a dog. I drew a dog before, so she kind of went off what I was going on. Sick. I really like that.

Nice work. Oh, this is Carl, by the way, Tig. Hi, Tig. I'm Carl. He's out in L.A. with these guys. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too. Digital shake.

Do the digital shimmy shake. So we were just talking to Carl about his music. He's a musician, too. Oh, boy. That pomegranate and soda is going down the hatch. You need the antioxidants. Don't cough them away. I saw them just get coughed away.

She's losing it over here. Well, what do you got to say? You're always talking to me about everything. What do you want to say now? I have a Red Sox shirt. Oh. I like your shirt, but I don't like the Red Sox. Is that okay?

I like another team. The L.A. Dodgers. Oh. Oh, she's making out a fan. You see all my hats here? You see all my hats back there, Tig? I got a bunch of Dodger hats. Not one Red Sox hat. My brother likes the Yankees. My dad and my brother like the Yankees. And my other brother

and me and my mom like the Red Sox. Fair enough. It can get heated around here. That's a rivalry. Very quickly. Carl's got all types of hats. You see all my hats back there, Tig? Her eyes went wide. Wide and wild.

Alright, you want to go draw another picture and come back Tig Hanford ladies and gentlemen See you later See ya Tig See ya Tig Where were you Car you were talking about your music Yeah profanity time So anyway You got your headphones back

Fuck Fuck Yeah nah man Let's get down to the F word. Great. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Yeah. Nah, man. I like doing the music with Olamar. We also have another buddy in Atlanta. His name is Curtis Droh.

He's a very good rapper. And he has a record label down there. That's what we claim, all the Villa vibe stuff. That's Curtis Droh. Oh, man. He's great. Yeah. He's really dope uh

the homie lord bisks down there we got all the homies dre myers now do you go there to record or you just do it remote we record remotely we record out here because we got you know studio home setups with all this podcast that we had to do over the the pan daisy and when curtis gives you something is it just a beat or is there like a premise on it or you guys come up with like a premise or chorus or well i do most of the choruses because i have uh the voice of an angel yeah yeah i'm just playing but uh i uh i like to do the choruses and now i think they also don't like when I rap too much. Why don't you let us do the verses?

You do the chorus, though. You do it great. But that's what people usually sing in their car anyway, right? Yeah, yeah. That's how they let me down easy. That's great, man. Oh, but he's not just a musical artist. He's a comedian on the new show, Grand Crew, and I'm loving the show. I'm really enjoying it.

Thank you, man. By the time this airs, we'll be hurtling towards the climax of season one. Yes, who's back? What's up? Tiggs back with a what's up sign. Tiggs back with a what up sign. Hey, I got an idea. Why don't you scoot?

So. And that's that. She's still here. She got booted. She's happy about it. You got to talk. If you're going to come up, you got to say something. Hi. Hi.

Hi. If you don't say something important, we are gonna... Well, okay. Me and my brother made this. Oh, wow. That's cool. It's a Spider-Man picture. Wow, that's cool. Hey, why don't we have Tig introduce...

Oh, yeah. Can you say Boo's News? Say, it you say... Booze news. Say, it's time for booze news. What's that? It's a segment of the show. She doesn't want to be involved in something she doesn't understand. Tig, this is supposed to be an honor. Say booze news.

Okay. Booze news? Okay. Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-boos-noose? Ha ha ha! Hanford and Calpac, it's two. They're really good at drinking, bombing cocktails like fools. Wave your drinks in the air like you don't care. Strutting down the street like a boulevardier. Drink your drink, drink your drink, don't spill that shit on me. Ah, yeah, come on, baby, tell me what's the news.

Oh, booze news. I didn't want to have to do this, but it's Booze News, you piss-soaked pepperoni pizza. Hey, you can't hear. Tick, you can't hear this. Get out of here. Ear muffs. Okay. Go watch a movie with your brother.

I don't know what that means. Yeah, good. Good, good. That theme was sent to us by rap mad rob and if you have a booze news team email it to the sloppy boys podcast at gmail.com okay here's uh it's kind of a wine week here on the pod and uh this timed out well because there was an article in our you know we like to consider the the new york times to kind of be our sister publication because we do hard news and they do hard news um i don't know if you guys

saw this but there's a big article that said uh the wine business sees a problem millennials aren't drinking enough and basically this is like a big thing that came out in uh like northern california the wine industry is fearing like a big catastrophe because the saying like the bottom is about to fall out of the industry because boomers are getting old and are when you get too old you stop drinking and then eventually you pass on so wine is getting uh on on a big scale the The wine is less popular with younger and younger people. And here is the interesting factoid that I want to share. There was a recent Harris poll of 2,000 adults which asked,

if you're going to a party and you're going to bring an alcoholic beverage, what would you bring to the party? an alcoholic beverage what would you bring to the party and they gave uh options their wine beer spirits well i guess that's liquor uh flavored malt beverages okay hard seltzer or cider so those are your six options and um and here's how I broke down in age. People over 65, wine is the overwhelming number one. Yeah, makes sense. And then people 35 to 65, it's a tie between wine and beer. Everything else trails way down below.

People 21 to 34, evenly split amongst, amongst well actually cider was way behind but wine beer spirits hard seltzer all that it's it's an even split so basically you know the the the wine is trending down and down and down and down so they have to they're like freaking out because they're like we don't have enough data on gen z yet they haven't been of age long enough to even like uh really know but they're showing it's like they don't buy enough wine so then mike i saw this i said my question to you guys is let's say you mike jeff and carl are going to a party and you're bringing an alcoholic beverage and i'm looking fresh i'm i'm i showered i'm looking good you've showered you you're wearing clothes you're going out to a party and then you stop off because i feel like a new haynes white t-shirt for me it's bvds and

beefy teas sure sure what but i make it i feel like a different if i'm drinking for myself it's different than if i'm going to a party but what do you guys what is your where do you stop and what do you buy when you're going to a party should i go first yeah yeah okay so i am 33 years old i think this is important for the study i'm 33 33 years old. Not a boomer. You're like half a boomer. Half a boomer, I guess. Not a boomer, right. So it depends on the type of party. If it's a dinner party, I'm bringing wine. Okay.

I'm bringing wine. What if it's a cider party? If it's a cider party, if it's the Cider House Rules. Meeting up with Toby. Yeah. No, but if it's a party party, if it's like, oh, we kicking it like a kickback into a party type situation. Yeah. Because I would say, if it's a party, I'm not bringing alcohol.

Well, no, no. Let me take that back. Because every year, one of my homegirls from high school has a Christmas Eve party. Oh, that's fun. And to get admission is a bottle of booze. So to that, I'm not bringing wine. I'm bringing tequila to that. Actually, to that, I'm probably bringing Hennessy.

Okay. Because it's just that type of night. Hey, let me ask you this. Do you ever pour some ginger ale in your Hennessy and have a horse's neck? I have. That messed me up on a couple of Halloweens ago. this do you ever uh pour some ginger ale in your hennessy and have a horse's neck i have that that that messed me up on a couple halloweens ago we just did horse's neck last week um i'm i'm i'm new to the cognac and i'm loving it uh kind of i'm swapping all my whiskeys are all out the door

and i've been putting uh cognac in for everything it's you have you you've set them outside your front door for anyone to come by. Yeah. Nobody wants them. I can't get rid of this stuff. Do you have any Coneyac? Single malt. Single malt. Yeah, single malt. I'm taking whiskey or tequila

to like a kickback type party situation. Well, tequila's a fun one. Yeah. We're going over somebody's house and it's like, yo, we're going to watch

this movie and then like kick it. Or like if it's just a kickback. Like old school kickbacks. You remember those guys? Yeah. I'm taking whiskey or tequila to those. But if it's a dinner party, I think wine just can go better with dinner.

And so I'm taking wine to a dinner party. If I'm bringing beer to something, that means I was being kind of cheap. I'm never bringing seltzer because I don't drink. Carl, you just picked what I'm doing. I want to hear this seltzer take, Carl. I'm never taking a seltzer to a party because I don't drink those. So for me, that feels disrespectful for me to bring something that I'm not going to drink. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But if they ask me, if they say say beer last time i took beer to something it was like a last minute and i couldn't find a liquor store in the vicinity and so i was like oh you know i'm just gonna get a 24 pack of modellos i will do that if we're having like a barbecue that okay so if it's a barbecue type party an outdoor an outdoor fun bunch of you know hot fun in the summertime type type of thing bunch of people i'll bring in the summertime type of thing. A bunch of people. I'll bring a 24-pack of Modellos or something like that.

That's great. Pool party or something that's going late into the night. You're going to Drew and Tony's. You're going to Dickie and Hannah's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I'm doing those things, I'll bring a 24-pack. Drew and Tony have been having a bartender at their joint as a reason. Did you ever come to our party at our old house when we had only tequila and no other options? I did come to one of those very early on.

Yeah, that must have been early on. Yeah, right. But yeah, I think people thought that we would have some mixers or also a keg or something, but it was only just straight tequila. And we have like a video from that night, and it's just so funny to watch. I think it would be a good experiment for anyone, but i like seeing a whole party of people and just knowing they've only had like the one spirit so you can see how that it's like it's beautiful it's it's a control group and you can see like this is what tequila does it's uniting

mess yeah it's like a tidal wave that sweeps up everybody say, we don't want to be here. What I'm bringing is beer. That's it. I know it's a cheap move to some people. That came out wrong. No, I mean, you nailed it. I'm bringing as cheap as... I'm bringing a six-pack. If it's New Year's Eve, I'll bring a Modelo.

It's the fanciest drink. Is that what you're drinking at the party, Mike? Is that what you're going... the party, Mike? Is that what you're going to do? Yeah, you go to a party. I haven't been to a party in forever where I brought anything. I just feel like parties like that haven't been going down, but I will bring like 12 or 6 packs. Mike, don't worry.

The party's been going down. You just got to come out. Okay, I need to talk to some of my quote-unquote friends. You just got to put on your mask. Yeah, hey, should we invite Hanford? No, he's lame. He's going to wear his respirator mask.

He's lame and he won't wear his mask. If I'm doing beer, if it's like a pool party, I'll bring a crushable beer that people like. If it's kind of more of an indoor watching a movie party, I'll try to bring something that's a fun beer, an interesting thing, or something you don't see very often. Like a box of Conas?

A variety pack of Conas? Yeah, Conas is about right. Something like that. I've done the Kona one too because it's a conversation piece. I'll bring a Golden Road fruit cart pack and I'm not even going to drink any of them, but that way I'm walking in with something that's colorful and people say, oh, what's that? And I say, it's a Golden Road fruit cart pack, and I'm not even going to drink any of them, but that way I'm walking in with something that's colorful, and people say, oh, what's that?

And I say, it's a Golden Road fruit cart pack. Can't nobody say you didn't bring anything because they see that big-ass rainbow box. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, right. It's blinding. Like the Sculpin, like the Sculpin IPA, the one with the big old pink fish on it. There you go. I like doing that, too, if you're like, it's a fruit cart pack.

Now I've made conversations. Don't talk to me for the rest of the night. My biggest whiff was, we've talked about before in the pod, but I went to a holiday party and I brought with me just a bottle of Campari. Yes, yes, yes. Bitter, bitter. It was before I really knew. Like now, if I did that, I would bring gin and vermouth and say like hey I brought Negroni stuff but uh at the time I just put a

bottle of Campari on the table no one touched it all night and then I was drinking Campari and so it was me like have you tried the Campari this is really good well my I think we've talked about this on the pod too when I I I went to Tim's Christmas party years ago, and I showed up with a huge, huge bottle of Heineken. It was a huge Heineken beer bottle. Oh, like the Magnum. The size of your torso. Yeah, it was great.

Your torso. The length of your torso. The length of a torso. And yes, I did see... Who was that? I forgot her name last time. Lizzie Cooper... Kaplan.

Lizzie Kaplan stubbed her toe on Hillhurst Avenue. I saw her walking by with her boyfriend. She stubbed her toe and she went, Oh! The actress. Yes. Alumnus of my high school. Oh, shit.

Well, you see, when you go to the next reunion, say, how's your toe doing? How's your toe doing? But be kind of like, don't outright say that. Be like, are you playing any intramural soccer lately or what's happening? And which foot are you using? You seem to be having a limp. She'd be like, who are you? Still.

Oh, I'm sorry. I've gone. We weren't in high school this ape time. All right. All right. Sorry. We got high school this Ape Time. All right. Sorry. We got a picture. Go ahead. This is Tig Hanford, artist.

Oh, my God. It says Sloppy Boys. Sloppy Boys. What does it say on the bottom, Tig? What's that little thing? It says Jeff, Mike, and Tim. And Carl. Today, Carl.

Honorary Sloppy Boy today. I do not know his name. That's okay. Today, Carl. Honorary sloppy boy today. I do not know his name. That's fine. I don't know his name. All right. Add some more colors to that thing. A lot more. There's not enough.

No, there's not enough. Okay. Okay. Don't mind if I do. All right. Bye, Tig. Guys, I'm bringing seltzers because people look at me and they go, hey, aren't you the guy?

You always drink the weird Bud Light packs on your podcast. Jeff, I'm worried about you, Jeff, because this is a path. You know, Steve-O said that part of the reason he had such a bad rock bottom is because he felt like he had to live up to the Steve-O name all the time. And, you know, your Belushies and your farleys they go down this path of trying to live their on-screen persona in real life now i don't want you think you have to have the ugly sweater bud light seltzer pack every time you go out in public tim sometimes i feel like people don't even know who i am if i don't have a bud light toasted marshmallow flavor in my hand yeah i don't have a Bud Light toasted marshmallow flavor in my hand.

Yeah, I don't know who you are. I mean, count your blessings that you are recognizable. Tig didn't know my name, so she didn't include me on there. That's true. I mean, she knows the hosts of this podcast. Yeah, that's cool. It would be like asking, I don't know, Jimmy Fallon's son to name any time The Rock is on his show. She's not always there.

He doesn't know his real name is Dwayne. She would never know. I was told, my nephew the other day, by the way, told me that his favorite actor was John Cena. Oh, yeah. You know what The Rock's friends call him?

No. I set that up like it was a joke, it's yeah what's going on damn give me half an hour i will write a punch line for that let me tell you um no dj dj yeah like uh you know like if you're like working on a branded campaign for the rock they're like okay so dj loves the creative here's what's going on hey you want to want a hot scoop? You know they call Tom Cruise TC. Oh, shit. It doesn't really roll off the tongue the same way that CT does, Carl. Oh, yeah.

I'm looking at Carl's chain right now as it says CT. Yes, sir. Cruise Tom. Is that for Cruise comma Tom? Cruise comma Tom. Cruise comma Tom. That's my nickname is Cruise Tom. Cruise comma Tom.

that's my nickname is cruise tom cruise comma tom baby you a song you make me want to roll my windows down and cruise tom now this is reminding me that i was i had vowed to get a gold chain and start wearing it and i think a year has passed i told you to get one oh you gave yourself a year no i gave myself i was gonna do it right away I've just kind of been hemming and hawing over which one to choose. I want something that really speaks to me. Maybe I'll get a CT. Yeah. Our good buddy, Neil Campbell,

has been getting gold chains, and Fran was like, stop telling him to get gold chains. I'm never going to do that, Fran. I'm going to encourage him to get gold chains all the time. I can't do that. But he's not... Is he getting pieces?

What's the CT called? He doesn't have any penance. He just has a couple. Like Cuba Links. It's funny because his initials are NBC. He could get a nice NBC peacock. That would be sick. He should. That would be fucking awesome.

What's he doing not doing that? That's a power move if you're pitching a show to NBC and you walk in with that swinging around your neck. That's a power move if you're pitching a show to NBC and you walk in with that swinging around your neck. That would be tight if that's what they give you when you sell a show. Yeah. It's like, so the pitch is over, you're sweating, and after your long pitch,

they just open up a black box, go, we'll take it. Present it right in the room. What is this? What is this? Welcome to the team. It's wonderful. And if they don't want the show, that box is empty. Yeah.

They bring out the box either way. It's your parking validation. That would be humiliating. Could you imagine if you pitched a TV show and it didn't sell? That would be just humiliating. Oh, my God. Could you imagine? Could be the worst.

That would be the ultimate epic fail. Guys, guys, it is. I did it once. Oh, Mike. Were you drunk? What the hell? It sucked. I said, I'm not doing that again. I can't do that again. Oof. That one's going on the fail reel. I got a really quick piece of booze news here.

This is a shout out. I don't know if this is where we put this type of thing. But I was emailing the other day with, I was putting a show together here in Brooklyn, New York. And I was emailing Joe Perrin. He's going to do a show. And he said, hey, I was up in the UP, Upper Peninsula. And a friend of a friend is a big fan of our show.

And I said, what's his name? I'll shout him out. So Kurt from Greenstone Landscape and Design, this one's for you. We're not going to play a song, but that would be cool. We should play Blinded by the Light. Blinded by the light. We can play a song. We can improvise.

No, no, no. We can't. We can't. Wrapped up like a deuce. Cut all the singing. Cut this, Jeff. Cut this out. Blinded by the light it's a

shout out not a song damn i'm kidding kurt we love you from greenstone landscape design keep doing what you do yeah man he's a big fan and you know what we are gonna play one of our songs for him right now now at the end of the show we're gonna we'll slug that in yeah no let's slug it at the end we're gonna close the show out with your favorite song Kurt which I'm assuming is Tom Collins The one with the bass line that goes Oh yeah let's party

Yeah Carl what was the name of the group When we played at the satellite What was the name you guys Duty Mob That's right That's Ronnie Adrian When we played at the Satellite, what was the name of you guys? Duty Mob. Duty Mob, that's right. Duty Mob, yeah. You guys, who's that?

That's Ronnie Adrian. That's Tim Neenan. That's Tim Neenan. Joe Weber. Garrett. Garrett Hart. I forgot Garrett's last name, but shout out to Garrett. Garrett plays baseball with us, too.

You play baseball? Yeah. Are you playing, like, hardball? Yeah. Fast pitch? Fast pitch, yeah. Ooh. You play hardball? Don't play hardball with me. You play a? Are you playing like hardball? I mean fast pitch. Fast pitch, yeah. You play hardball? Don't play hardball with me.

You play a little hardball, I play a little hardball. Yeah, because I've only ever heard people play softball. Like softball leagues and stuff. Hardball, wow. We play in a fast pitch league, yeah. That's crazy. I play in two. Really?

Yeah. Okay. I play in none. I barely play in any. I might get some Tommy John surgery and see if I can pitch a perfect game against you guys. Come on out. If it's

you, Tim, it's probably Tom and Jerry surgery. Okay. You're such a goofy kind of cartoon man. And they do have different surgeries for every Tom thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tom, Dick, and Harry, sorry. I'm going to do a Tom Cruise.

Oh, TC? Okay, let's wrap up Booze News and start the fucking show for real. Jeez Louise. Very nice. Wrap it up. It's wrapped. That's wrapped. It's wrapped and ripped out.

Folks. If you do me a favor and cruise through this intro, I'm staring at this wine like I got to chug this stuff so we can get to it. I know. I know. Well, you guys are talking about wacky surgeries. I don't know. No, I know.

I'm losing it. Folks, today we're talking about Cabernet Sauvignon. Am I saying that right, Tim? Oui. This is a red wine. You've heard losing it. Folks, today we're talking about Cabernet Sauvignon. Am I saying that right, Tim? Oui. This is a red wine. You've heard of it. It's the most popular one out there. Dry-bodied, full-bodied.

More full-bodied than your Pinot Noirs, that's for sure. Oh. Cabsab. Despite its prominence in the industry, the grape is a relatively new variety. The product of a chance crossing between Cabernet Franc, which is a dark grape, and Sauvignon Blanc, which is a green grape. Now, its spread and popularity is due to its ability

to ripen in a diverse array of soils and climates. So it started in the south of France, but it's gone everywhere, to the point where it's criticized as being a quote- quote unquote colonizer grape. Okay. Like oftentimes it'll be planted in new and emerging wine regions at the expense of focus

on like the unique local grapes. Cause it's, it's such a sure bet for like, you know, for big money that it just, they, they plant it everywhere. It does well everywhere. It's kind of a sellout grape. It's kind of a sellout grape, but you know, we love it. We all know it. We've had a million of them of individual grapes yeah yeah yeah well until this wikipedia i didn't know that that they were that wines were named after the grapes

they all are did you guys know that or this one is carl you're do you know wine yeah some of them are named after yeah the grapes are different varieties of, you know. There's none. It's like Granny Smith Apple Wine. Granny Smith Apple is an apple. There are. Yeah, it makes sense why that wouldn't be a wine. Yeah.

Seedless. There's seedless wine. All wine is seedless. You've seen wine grapes. They're like tiny little guys, right? And they're like very plentiful. I always think of just like grocery store grapes. Like that's what they're making wine is evil. You've seen wine grapes. They're like tiny little guys, right? And they're like very plentiful. I always think of just like grocery store grapes. Like that's what they're making wine out of.

No. Oh, yeah. Not true. No. No, those are like sweet eating grapes. Yeah. Wine grapes, usually when you eat them, they're super sour. Damn.

But we love to eat them, don't we? Yeah, we still eat them. They also make like muscadine wine muscadine scumpernum wine scumper like those grapes scumpernum yeah that that right there is like the the you can't eat the skin of the grape so it's a it's a it's a it's a type of grape but you chew it and you eat the the innards out of it you spit the the hull out the skin is too it's too tough oh ah yeah like us Damn. Like us. Thick skin. Yeah, the skin.

And tough. I'm curious. I want to hear your, Carl, your journey as a wine guy, because we know you like wine, and then we came to you and said we want to talk wine, what type of wine, like in the big, broad headlines, if you had to choose a wine, you picked a cab. So tell us how you got into wine and how you landed on liking Cabernet Sauvignon. I'll tell you. So I didn't drink wine growing up. Wine was never – I mean, we would have like – there would always be like a jug of Carlo Rossi at a party or something like that.

Is that the big kind of roundish jug? Yeah, the big round jug that everybody passed around and drank out of before COVID, B bc yeah and uh we were like younger but i wasn't really much of a drinker back then so we got no wine because my buddy phil jackson all of our buddy phil jackson he had us come hang out at a wine bar one night same one we kick it at now and we were just like i was like yo uh what is this? Like, why are we here? I need my whiskey Coke. Like, they don't have that here. Why am I here?

Wine is not going to get me drunk. Wine is not going to accomplish what I'm trying to accomplish on this here Friday night. And so he's like, nah, it's cool. And so we started getting into it there. And the people there are real cool. A couple of nice young ladies work there. Okay. Oh, interesting. Fun to hang out with them. So you were up to sort of, you wanted to meet people.

Maybe these people could be romantic partners. Perhaps. We started doing that. But what made me get into these was because, A, I read that these are the ones that LeBron likes to drink. He likes to drink darker wines, him and Draymond and those guys. And they're they're not as bad for you because the white wine has more sugar added to it a lot of times oh and uh the dark ones this one specifically is pretty high alcohol content usually like a 14 percent

and so it'll get it's full when they say full body for me what that means is like i could taste the fruitiness but i can also taste a little bit of the alcohol and it doesn't make me pucker you know i'm saying like it's like smoother than that and i like i like a sweet drink too i like a sweet drink and this is a sweeter sweet guy yeah i'm a sweet this they call me sweet tart sweet tea um it is a sweet wine it's like sort of like uh when i the first thing i learned like when i was trying to be like i know nothing about wine and i want to know like just like i want to be able to if I'm eating spaghetti at a restaurant, I want to scan the wine menu and just know, like, what are the main types? And I feel like I'm not I ignore Chardonnay because I'm like, that's buttery and gross. And then the other whites like Zinfandel, Pinot Grigio and Sauvignon Blanc.

whites like uh zinfandel pinot grigio and sauvignon blanc there's like i could drink those if it's like daytime and i'm on a patio but i'm not really gonna have that when i'm sucking down spaghetti so this choice this choice to me is always cabernet or or pinot noir and i i think i like pinot noir more because i like a dry like a drier wine but i feel like if you are if you like the sweeter things or like i feel like with a with a big spaghetti dinner i do want to take down a whole bottle of cabernet sauvignon yeah i thought you did i thought you did red with you specifically did red with spaghetti because you if you're gonna get red stuff all over your white shirt your white shirt why not just make it the one it's a camouflage situation yeah um but yeah it's like sometimes they get a little sweet for me and then i gotta back it up but like that you know what my way into wine was probably the two buck chuck uh

trader joe's charles shaw cabernet bottle yeah sure that when you're like 22 it's kind of the only bottle of wine you other than carlo rossi when you're like 22 it's kind of the only bottle of wine you other than carlo rossi if you're like going to a dinner party and like i want to pretend to be an adult i'm going to go to trader joe's and get this two dollar bottle wine but i didn't hate it and and i and i was like i think i'm a little cabernet dude and then these days i like the natural wines the kind of like you know like Wehrheim, NorCal pastel drawings funky orange wines and stuff like that

I was at a liquor store the other day getting something for whatever episode and I was looking at their wine section and yeah what you're describing Tim like the natural wines it was like all the bottles had a thing to them it was like one had graffiti on it one was like one had graffiti on it.

One was like a baseball player on it. One had Steve Brule, like a weird picture of him. And I was like, this is all just crazy. Steve Brule, that's Los Haras. That's Eric Wareheim's brand. The Wareheim one. It's good, too. It's really good.

Eric Wareheim has a dark. He had a Malbec or something like that. Not Eric Wareheim. A Malbec. Tim Hyde. Yeah, Eric. Yeah, yeah, Wareham. Yeah, he had a darker wine that I liked, and I would get that one.

Hey, let's keep talking, but do you guys have your bottles in your body? Yeah, we should just start drinking. Yeah, let's get to popping them. Also, my first experiences with wine were often like, okay, I'm watching a movie with a girl. We're going to have some wine. And you have no problem splitting that bottle of wine over the course of like two hours. But now I'm concerned, before recording this and the blowout next, am I in danger of finishing a bottle of wine?

You're going to have to. To the dome? I think one bottle of wine is a good amount of drunkenness. I think one bottle of wine is perfect for two people on a date. Yeah. And then if you're going to go. What about one guy alone in his perfect for two people on a date yeah and then then you're if you're kind of going what about one guy alone in his apartment is that not a good amount it was me during the pandemic and i still am so i joined a wine club yeah and me and lamar went up to

paso robles yeah and we joined a wine club up there and so they send us boxes and this is like this is like wow this man this is actually last summer is that a case of wine yeah they sent us a case it comes with like nine bottles no no no it comes with six bottles and so and on top of that

I've gotten wine sent to me from the show and so I got that over there nice and then today I come home to a gift box from a show

that I just did a table read for and they sent me six bottles of wine jeez so I got so much damn wine in here and I don't drink at home by myself.

It's such a social thing for me. So it just don't quite feel right. Wine feels like a weird thing to drink solo for me. For me, during the pandemic all things went out the window. I was drinking and hopping on 2K for hours at a time.

A few bottles of these, some of the bottles are going out the window. The day that I woke up the next day and hung over, I literally just played 2K and drank until 4 o'clock this morning. And then woke up noon the next day with an awful hangover. I was like, this is not okay. I think wine hangovers are, for me, very noticeable. It's a headachy vibe. Yes. And the problem with wine hangovers is I'm never drunk enough to justify a hangover.

Like the night before, you know what I'm saying? Right, right, right, right. Yeah, like this wasn't worth it. Right. It's not like with tequila, you're like, oh, I'm feeling bad. But last night was so fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, like this wasn't worth it. Right. It's not like with tequila, you're like, oh, I'm feeling bad. But last night was so fun and crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And wine, you're just like, yeah, I was playing video games.

Like, yeah, I had a responsible evening. Cool. Yeah. So wait, but let's talk about what we're – Yeah, what we got. I got to go grab my bottles. But normally on this pod, we would talk about a cocktail, and then we'd take a break to go make a cocktail.

Instead, it's just Cabernet Sauvignon. So, Jeff, you went out and bought some bottles and i i our only guiding light was like hey this is the sloppy boys podcast so what we're all drinking different shit but maybe like middle shelf grocery store we're not going you're not driving up to norcal and getting the fancy bottle right you're you're not asking around town for the best you're kind of thinking you're walking into the grocery store and you're looking at like the 15 shelf middle shelf albertsons these are like 15 to 17 dollar bottles i'm thinking this is screw top area oh no these are cork baby oh my down here they are but a lot of these are paso robles this this tooth and nail

i'm about to open up you know the, the locals say Paso Robles. Do they? No. It was just there. Yeah, right. But same with like Los Feliz is improper. Yeah, it's like I heard it. I went up there.

Ben Axelrod was living up there for a little while, and I heard the locals say Robles. Wow. Did you tell them they're wrong? We messed that up. I tried. Anyway, so I got to go grab my bottles. You guys. Great. Robles Wow Did you tell them they're wrong? We messed that up I tried Anyway so So I gotta go grab my bottles

You guys Great Folks let's take a break And we'll hit you with some ads Great I guess I'll go get my other bottle too And we're back! Wine in hand.

Ooh! Yeah, let's say, I guess we should say what we got. What do you got, Mike? I got a, uh, uh, uh, Frontera. It's a Frontera. I'm in Frontera country. This is, this is vineyards, it's Frontera vineyards protected by nature. Ooh. And now, this is a largely empty bottle of wine

you're holding up. Some of this was had a dinner tonight with my fam and I said, no, no, no, none for me. I'm going to do it on a podcast. It's good and I said, I'll be the judge of that. And are your family members, they didn't have

any podcasts to do? They do, but they're doing Pinot tonight. This is from Chile. And it's one of those wines where it doesn't have the year it was made. Right. Although there is a date here that says, world's most admired wine brands in 2019. Most admired.

That's exciting. And on the back, too, there's a scanning a code for a Spotify playlist. I'll get to that. Oh, great. You can send in your UPCs for some music. Yeah, yeah. Carl and I have the

Tooth & Nail Tassaro Blase. Tooth & Nail. I've heard of that. Jeff fought Tooth & Nail to get this wine because it was... They did not want to give that up. And the year of this is, I think it's 2010. Oh, no. No, 2020. 2020.

This is 2020. This is brand new. 2020. They didn't let this one age at all. Do you know what a good, more recent wine year is or would be? I don't know. I don't know. uh year is or would be i don't know i don't like like in comparison yeah i don't like you know people always sit like there's one from like well i mean for me like whoa yes oh my god a vintage uh 61 grape would rock my world um i don't know it's funny though because also with the natural wines and stuff that stuff's going out

of the window and people just drink fresh new wine. But that one, this is the genre we're talking about, right? It's got kind of like the art is like, that looks like a kid robot or something. Yeah, it looks like gorillas. Yeah. It's got sort of like a punkish cyberpunk art. So it's a Central Coast cab. And me, I've got Francis Coppola, you know,

2019. Also, Paso Robles. So this, I would say Coppola is like, that's as close as you're going to get to the Budweiser of wines, right? Doesn't it feel like that's like Nick Cage's family right there? Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah, true.

Tim, I would expect you to sort of be drinking a Copola wine because you know your your your relationship with alcohol is you know you try to get out of it keeps pulling you back in godfather part two let's see those glasses guys anybody doing stemless yeah i'm a stem i'm a stem no i think there should be more women in STEM. That's big of you. Nipsey Hussle was trying to do that before the government killed him. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

He had a women in STEM program. So thanks a lot, Tim. I'm kind of, I guess. Senator Galpakis. I like to think that I'm keeping the tradition alive. Okay, we got one more update here. What's up, Tig? Tig?

Hi. Well, would you like to try here. What's up, Tig? Tig? Hi. Well, would you like to try this wine and sell it? No, I'm kidding. That's where the other half of this bottle went. Tig, why don't you tell us something embarrassing about your Uncle Mike? Something he wouldn't want us to know on the podcast. Look at her waggle

those eyebrows. She knows a lot. I have a feeling this is going to be a flatulent story He's sleeping on the bottom bunk I'm sleeping on the bottom bunk You told us you were a top bunk guy Roasted Roasted and toasted Damn They have a bunk bed

Yeah, yeah Well, that's why there would be the bottom bunk Okay, now I get it, yeah roasted and toasted. Damn. They're a bunk bed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why there would be the bottom bunk. Okay, now I get it. Yeah. Let's drink these wines. Yeah.

I've been drinking them. Okay. Well, let's hear it, Jeff. Is it tannic? Yes, I can taste the tannins bipping and bopping around my tongue. I was thinking, yeah, Mookie wanted to talk wine, but he just wanted to talk sideways.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Lamar's favorite movie. He's been up there. That's Lamar's favorite movie? He loves that movie for some reason. I've never seen it. Maybe I should watch it. So was Lamar a wine guy before, like, the Phil invite? We all got into it at the same time.

Oh, Phil too? Phil started a little bit before us, but, like, basically, yeah, at the same time, yeah. Phil too? Phil started a little bit before us, but basically, yeah, the same time, yeah. Led the charge. I was under the impression, it was like, hey guys, I've been doing this for a while, let me bring you into this cool thing I do. Nah, it wasn't a long time, it wasn't. But he's got a

wine fridge now. Damn. The life. You know what I love is that that wine bar where you guys hang out, it's like um they it's not really like a menu situation you just talk to the bartender and you'll be like i'm in the moods for something uh kind of like this yeah sweet and full-bodied and then they bring out two bottles yeah and then they kind of pour you two sips and you could choose one of

those or you could say like something more in this direction or that and it's a little consultation yeah and and i love that it makes it uh like it's an activity in addition to just drinking it's great and when it's busy it sucks because they're letting these people at the front try two things or one it's like come on man that's a cool place move this along a friend of mine a friend of mine saw batman there the other day with with his girlfriend really pattinson which one pattinson the newest yeah pattas let me let me ask you this i on the show i i can't i can't remember when you guys have wine in your hands are you allowed to show the characters drinking yeah we did we you could take okay okay it's not like a because isn't that like a in commercials like we did some stuff for Jose Cuervo and they were just like web spots

and they were like, okay, you can cheers, but we can't actually see you guys shoot the shot. Maybe because we are allowed, maybe, this is a guess, I don't know,

but on TV, they are allowed to put like TV, TVMA in the corner or whatever. So like now they know like kids don't have to watch this show or whatever. So now they know kids don't have to watch this show or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Parental discretion is advised. I see that on Netflix too

when a show starts up in the top left hand corner. It's like adult situations or drinking and smoking I've noticed too. I feel like that's a new thing for me. I miss casual smoking in movies. It's really funny to me. I feel like that's a new thing for me. Man, I miss smoking. Like casual smoking in movies is really funny to me.

I know it's not good, but like Ghostbusters 1 is really funny to me that they're just chain smoking the whole movie. It makes me look like Dirtball. Yeah, it does. It's so rowdy. It's so crazy. I loved it on like talk shows. In the elevator smoking cigarettes with like a nuclear reactor on their backs. Yeah, dangling out of their mouth.

On Grand Crew, what's in the what's in the glasses grape juice i drink diet cran grape so they offered a couple things they offered a fake wine and i'm like why would i drink that that's terrible like a non-alcoholic wine is so bad yeah it tastes terrible so it's like it's made with grapes it's just not alcoholic yeah yeah and it's sour and i'm like this is bad alcoholic? Yeah. Yeah. And it's sour. And I'm like, this is bad. So I don't ask for that. And they offer it.

I would have drank regular cranberry, but I knew I'd have to be drinking it all day. And I'm like, I probably shouldn't be drinking that much sugary juice all day. Yeah. And so I'm going to not drink that. But I do the diet cranberry. That sounds good. I like that stuff. Let me ask you this, too, not about the drinks.

Just going on, you know, making a decision on the show. You wear your L.A. hats a lot on the show. Is that something where they're like, hey, what do you want to wear? Or are they like, oh, Carl always wears those, so we'll just put Carl in there. No, I talked to the wardrobe person. I was like, here's a couple things that I want to bring to the character. So I want him to, first of all, if as much as possible, I want to be wardrobe person. I was like, here's a couple of things that I want to bring to the character. So I want him to, first of all,

if as much as possible, I want to be wearing a hat. Yeah. And I told, and I told that to Phil. Right. And that is because that's, you know,

I wanted like, that's one thing I always thought was funny about, um, on Martin Cole would always have a hat on every, and they will always try to, they will always shoehorn away for him to have a hat on no matter what the situation was and so i was like i want to do that that's a funny joke to me yeah that is funny and two i want to represent the dodgers and the clippers so i was like bring me clipper hats yeah and so i want to have i want to have clipper hats

on as much as possible and i get to i. I get to wear. The wardrobe stylist dresses me pretty fancy, so she wouldn't let me wear just like regular Clipper hoodies and stuff like that. But we'd be able to wear Clippers hats into the outfit. That's great. That's cool that you don't have to, like you can have a logo hat on and not just like a weird thing that says LA but not. Yeah. Or like a funnier dive version where there's like blue electrical tape on it to partially disguise it. Yeah. Or like a funnier diversion where there's like, there's like blue electrical tape on it.

Yeah. Partially disguise it. Yeah. But it's also cool. Like, I feel like if I was starring in a show, I would be, I'd feel like so like lucky to be there that I wouldn't make any demands.

Like whatever you want to put on my head and body, I'll do it. Don't tell anyone. That's how it was at the beginning, but they were stressed. Like you're allowed to be comfortable. Like you, if you want to be comfortable,

you don't want to. And so I said, well, Hey, i want to bring this element to this character and i talked to phil about it they were like yeah orjo style you got to talk to phil about that and so i went to him and i was like hey man i really love it if this guy could wear clippers stuff as much as possible great and so they and they let me do it and they got it clear they went to the nba and got the stuff clear they went to the dodgers but however in the it clear. They went to the NBA and got the stuff clear. They went to the Dodgers. But however, in the ad, if you see the billboard or the bus ad and stuff like that. I see them on the subway all the time over here.

I'm wearing a blank hat. That was a Dodger hat. That's a black Dodger hat. And they photoshopped it out. Damn. I'm going to climb up on those billboards and draw that LA. Yeah, we're putting it back on. Put it back on there.

I would love. Because I was mad. I said, how dare they? That's a weird move. The blank hat. think of like that's like it's like the marvel move everybody wears like a blank baseball i think it like uh succession you know like a like members of the royal family are wearing just like a black hat they probably bought at barney's or something just because they're like i'm going outside today but no i it i it makes me really happy when you see somebody in a tv show and they have this like when when betsy's on a show and she

has her top uh you know and you're like yeah that's your personality and that's what i want to see and that's that's also go ahead jim sorry well you do have to push back on these these uh you know a lot of hair and makeup and costumers are are great at their jobs however i used to sort of just like trust them like i was like in a sketch on conan one time and and they started doing my hair weird and i was like well i trust this lady she does hair for a living she'll make me look cool and and then like you go through wardrobe and like well they put me in this weird shirt but that person knows more about clothes than me and then like i'm on tv this is like you know one of my first times being on national television and i look like a dork yeah yeah yeah on tv only sure no but now if you look at me in the zoom screen i'm kind of mr

star who's doing your hair now that'd be funny if she was doing your hair up and you were like is this right because she's like coloring it red and it's got a big pompadour in the front i think this kind of is on your show already. But you know that, especially someone like me, like when you see me on a TV show, like they don't know what to do. Cause they're like,

Oh, you can't have a flyaway hair. But if you, if you pat all my hairs down into one helmet, it's like, who is this guy? What does this guy do? It's like,

you gotta have flyaways. I remember, yeah. Walt on love didn't have any flyaways. And I was like, who is this guy? What does this guy do? You've got to have flyaways. I remember Walt on Love didn't have any flyaways. And I was like, who is that guy? The character of Walt. It sucks because I breathed so much life into that character. And then that kind of ruined it was the hair. Did you? Oh, we were talking about Bazzi.

What I like seeing is friends on TV shows is always fun, but when you see friends doing what they look like, like Carl with the hats and Betsy with the top down, but also seeing friends do the comedy that they do all the time. Sorry.

Eat the pie. Watching funny friends do funny stuff that you've seen them do on stage, if that makes sense. Like, I like seeing friends and stuff, but when friends are being funny as themselves, that's what I like. Like, if you turn on your tube and you see Tim there prime time and he's doing his thing, you know? Like, this is what you come to Tim for and there he is. He's doing, no, like, Carl's, you're very funny in the show and you're funny in the way that like I've seen you be funny before. Your show's a good example of that. Nicole and

Echo too. It's nice to see that people are doing what they do. We have a good time, man. I'm definitely blessed for that to be my first gig. Like my first long term gig. Yeah, it's funny. I don't think of that as your first gig, but I guess like as far as acting main cast, right? right cast is my first main cast gig yeah I

been I mean you know we've all been popping in here and there on television show the better of the decade and you've been on it you you did it as a kid didn't you I did yeah what were you on your child actors yeah I was on a six feet under I was on the pilot six feet under oh we gotta find that then we're posting that as your uh picture for this it's like the last it's the last image before the credits oh it's a little tiny yeah little tiny me oh my god how old were you uh i believe that was 2001 so or 2000 we shot it in 2000 so i was 11 damn yeah wow cool that's like prestige hbo that's a cool i thought you're gonna say you were in like a smuckers commercial or something

no i was in i was in some jello pudding commercials oh pretty good guess there's your favorite comedian oh yeah yeah mr william h cosby uh but i uh uh no i was in uh malcolm in the middle too back then i used to be one of the kids in his class really he was playing a lot younger than what he actually was oh yeah we we ran into him at the oakwood apartments up in burbank near near the warner lot there was like we lived in in these like condos when we were interns in college and it was all child the avalon now it's called avalon now and frankie muniz was up there and he was like the leader of the child actors because he was actually like 20 or whatever yeah yeah he was he was older he was when i was that was that's also was the same year i was we shot in like 99, and it came out in 2000.

And I was 10, and I was almost a foot taller than him at the time. And he was 15. Oh, man. Didn't he have a heart attack kind of a few years ago? Really? I think so. Let's look that up. Last I checked, he was a race car driver.

Yeah. Right. Oh, maybe he was going so fast, he was giving me a heart attack. That's what it was. Oh, Frankie. Oh, Frank. Slow down, Frank. We love you, Frank.

Folks, we'll be right back with some more Cabernet Sauvignon. Oh. Ooh. Now we're back with our final thoughts But first, an update from Tig Tig, you've been working hard on your picture What do we got? Sloppy Boys She added more color

Sloppy Boys with a little more color and pizzazz. Green is my favorite color, too. Ooh, there we go. I like that. With a signature down bottom. Yes. By Taylor. Now, who's that?

Yeah, who's Taylor? Who's Taylor? I don't know Taylor. Now, why do they call you Tig? Sometimes when I'm signing things, I do Taylor. So that's like the Sloppy Boys, Taylor's version. Yeah. Maybe we'll make that a t-shirt.

Yeah, make some money off that. Yeah, make some money off that. ASAP. Big time cash. And you get a big percent of it. Did you guys just see my catastrophe that happened? No, did you have a little spill? I saw you get up.

Did you just spill? Oh my God. So this is a classic wine blunder. I was trying to unscrew my first bottle, which was delicious. I didn't finish the whole bottle. Yeah, you went to the second bottle. I screwed it off like a real pro. And then my second bottle, which is freak show, kind of a kooky wine.

bottle which is freak show the kind of a kooky wine the the classic thing happened where my screw just pushed the cork down into the wine right and it was down in there and then i was uh trying to like put put my pinky down to be like oh maybe maybe i'll just push the cork all the way down and then i'll be able to pour around it. And then went down but down and it exploded and I just shot red wine all over my clothes and my desk. Whoa! This is like, you know,

I don't like this type of thing. No, that's not good, man. That's not good at all. Huh. What kind of bottle opener are you guys using? Do you have a fancy one? Screw top. I use this easy one. This one right here. Carl has a classic.

Where the arms go up? Those look like little Johnny Fives to me. Happy birthday, Pauly. Johnny Fives waving his arms. What's that one called? I don't know what it's called. I just called it the jumping jack. There she goes. I got the one from Scott Gardner's

wedding. Yeah, I got that one. It says Laguna Wedding on it. You know what I have at home is an electric one where you kind of put the top on and you turn it on and it goes and then you just pull it off. Because I am the worst in opening wine. Like, I always get the cork in this stuff, and it's not good.

Oh, you can't do that, Mike. That is a rookie move, dude. That is a no-no. This is going to stain, right? If I let this red wine dry on my shorts, these shorts are loose? Yeah, I would take those shorts, take them off, and throw them in the... Fire. No, no.

I would throw them in the sink. Get you some OxiClean. There you go, Carl. OxiClean. The stick. I'm going to have to shout it out. I've done the stick and I've done the powder. Who is Johnny? Look at that guy flapping. Who's Johnny? She said and smiled in a special way.

You should play that song. Y'all should remake that. Oh, I need to check out the Spotify list here on the wine. Are you guys getting any interesting notes on these wines? Do you do this stuff, Carl? I never look at that. I mean, like, it's fruity. Yeah. Grapey.

They say blackcurrant. Blackcurrant? I've never ate blackcurrant so i don't know but it's good i i am getting that thing though like uh it's this is it's a it's a full-bodied it's a rounder and mine is sweet but but it is still crushable this is holds true of what i said earlier what i think of this is like my kind of chugger, I feel like I want to eat a bunch of spaghetti and take down a bottle. Mom's spaghetti? Yeah. Ooh. So here's

some of the songs on the playlist that you can scan the QR at the back of this. Frontera. We have, it's Frontera, Big and Bold Reds, Sex on Fire by Kings of Leon, Learn to Fly, Foo Fighters,

Ooh, a Muse song, Mr. Brightside, Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith, and Last Night by The Strokes. There's a whole bunch of stuff on here. Rolling Stones, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Doors. They're playing it pretty safe, it sounds like. Yeah, it's just funny.

It's like a bunch of rock songs. Where's 100 Gex? Yeah. I think if you scan the back of a Four Loko. Yeah, you get the hyper pop. Is this one of those things, do you guys open your wines and let them breathe? Is that something you do? Oh, you have to.

You have to. You have to. Does that mean you pour? Oh, you have to. You have to. You have to. Does that mean you pour it or you just leave the bottle open? Well, today I left the bottle open because I didn't know I wasn't supposed to be drinking that early. So I let it breathe today. Oh. Guys, mine over breathed a little bit. It's all air down there.

Yeah, Carl, this is a very structured program. You have to open the bottles of wine when and when and when remember we read that uh weird thing during booze news last week that was like there are fake wines being sold at gas stations in new york where like the brand name is chardonnay but then it's actually a malt beverage that's pretending to be a wine yeah yeah oh, so it's like when somebody's a wino. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's usually what they drink. They're probably cheap and easy, yeah.

I wish I was a wino. The term wino is so funny because it's like, you know, I think of a wino being like a drunk guy on the street with like a big overcoat that's kind of falling apart. And they're not drinking wine. They're drinking like a bottle of gin or something. but wine is wine is wine classy classy sometimes this right here silver satin like drinks like silver satin and cisco night train wild iris rose all these thunderbird all these disgusting drinks like This is called Bumwine. Top five Bumwines from Mad Dog 2020.

I haven't had that whole... I've got to get into the genre. Mad Dog, like the malt liquor? They called it wine. People who drank this stuff in the 50s and 60s and 70s, that's how they got the name winos.

I get you. Because they were standing on the corner drinking wine. Nice. Or port wine. Yeah. That's another thing I'm seeing. Well, there is one. I was talking to our friend Ben Axelrad about wine,

and I think he said that on Sanford and Son that, what's his name? Red Fox. Red Fox drank one of these cheap wines. Yeah, he would always drink Ripple. Ripple. That's it.

We should get some Ripple. Yeah, right. I don't even know if that's real. Is it real? Oh, it's real. It might be fictional. So yeah, Ripple was fortified wine and carbonated wine

that was popular in the 70s. So it basically was like Mad Dog 2020 is Ripple. We should do more of that weird stuff. You know what I like? I had recently, I went to a liquor store. The one on Hillhurst that's like one of the only very plain places on Hillhurst. Right by Yuka's Tacos, there's just like a liquor store that's like an old liquor store i like that and i was digging around in the fridge in the back because they they and they also have a wine section that's very funny because it's like

they probably it's probably all ripple but um i was looking in the back fridge and they have i want to say the uh the brand name is like montalban and it was like pre-made um long island iced tea and pre-made cocktails and they're they're single serving super sweet like flasks of cocktails yeah and if you pour them out over ice and let them get a little melty they are pretty delicious but if you drink it straight from the bottle it is very very very sweet oh carl you got you got some bum wines in the chat these look nastified oh yeah what's this cisco strawberry wow and then that commercial is for ripple from like ripple is real okay it looks like the type of wine you would cook with almost like oh this this uh md 2020 is uh blue there's all sorts of colors

well boy but see we should do that that's that's good experimental journalism that's what we're here for i love it i like a white wine called thunderbird that's cool as hell let me ask you a question so i just poured another glass of this uh drink that in the thunderbird drink no stop after he drives home he may drink that is this look at this how much I've done like uh that's a big pour two thirds that's a big pour right that's a big boy I was just ending I was just finishing the bottle here so where do you cut that off Carl where where do you what's like what's a proper when you go to a wine bar what are they giving you here they got so you pour too pour too much. They got, but they do have.

You're a fool. It's extra. Like, you can ask for a double. I'm a bring the beer to the party guy. You know that. Go ahead, girl. Listen, that was not what I meant it to be. So in this stemless glass, I got this from a winery that we did a wine tasting at in Paso Robles.

What's that say? I can't, there's glare on it. It says Claiborne and, Claiborne and Churchill. And they have a line on there. So I just, I always fill my glass up to that line. Ah,

that's handy. And on some people's, and on some people's, uh, they have little like arrows pointing to where you should put it. Ah, Jessica went to Greece with Betsy, uh, Betsy and Mano

and at multiple places they said they filled the wine glass all the way up to the brim. It was like tippy, spilly wine. And they started calling it a Greek pour. And sometimes Jessica will do it at home. I'll be like, yeah, let's just do a Greek pour.

But I do. It's a very funny visual when a wine glass is like all the way to the top like a beer yeah and then i like to wrap my hand instead of touching the stem i wrap my hand right around right around the glass just palm the whole thing there's a really joke that feels like a joke in a movie or tv show and it's like the lady comes home like oh that was a rough day and it's like that is a, glug, glug, glug. That is a joke in, strangely enough, the movie Seven. Morgan Freeman comes to have dinner with Brad Pitt and his wife, and Brad Pitt pours him a glass of wine, and it's just like a tumbler of wine up to the brim.

It just goes to show, like, this guy is not a wine guy. That's a movie where it's like, what's in the box? What's in the box of wine? Mike. Franzia. Franzia, baby. Speaking of movie pours, I always liked in Risky Business when TC pours

his... The whiskey on the rocks all the way to the top and then he cracks a tab cola and just... Teeniest little drip on top. And I was a kid watching that being like oh man he barely used the soda mom that's a pretty stiff drink he's having i don't like you watching damn cruise movies that big ass glass that she had on uh on what's the show what's cougar town cougar

town oh when they had the big the huge wire glass and she would pour the whole bottle into there and it would only it would only end up at the bottom, but the glass was so big. Wait, was that a Schumer? Didn't Schumer have a joke on her show where like- Yeah, there was a Friday Night Lights sketch. Friday Night Lights, yes, yes, yes. And it was like the wine glass was the size of a person could fit in it. I love that stuff.

Stuff that's too big and it's supposed to be small, or stuff that's too small and it's supposed to be big. But it's supposed to be big. I'm too big. I'm supposed to be small or stuff that's too small when it's supposed to be big. When it's supposed to be big. I'm too big. I'm supposed to be small. Yeah. That's what my doctor told me. You're supposed to be 4'10".

What happened? Tim, we talked about this during your last annual physical. You're too big. You're supposed to be small. You got to cool it with the Greek pours, man, on everything. Well, should we go ahead, Jim? Yeah. What are our final thoughts on the particular wine you're drinking, each of us?

I didn't want to say this ahead of time, but I knew it was going to happen. I don't like wine. I don't like drinking it. I don't like red wine. Sat on that for an hour. And I don't like this. No, I've had good wines. I don't ever really order it because I don't really like it.

So it's not an order again. It's not an order again for me. Wait, you're saying even good wines are not an order again for you? Even the good wines, I can't tell. It has to be, which I've never had. It's got to be like the toppest of shelves for me to really get it. Oh, boy. Okay.

And I don't, I'm not a wine guy if i was to do wine i think i like white here's the problem i don't like you don't like champagne i don't like room temperature drinks as much have you had a chilled red they got chilled red i prefer i don't like i've had some i've put some ice cubes in red before. Carl, you do chilled red? I can't do chilled red because I just don't have, I can't taste what I'm looking for. The fridge space, I know. I don't have the fridge space. Oh, man, I just did Dana Dukes' fridge podcast. And let me tell you, it was the most embarrassing, invasive thing I've ever had to do. My fridge is a fucking mess do they go through

and see what's yeah you just take pictures of it send it to him yeah you gotta take a minute like don't alter it and i was like all right that's fine i won't alter it and i took the picture of it and then i immediately was like i should have altered this shit he made fun of every aspect of my fridge i do some photoshopping yeah yeah that speaking of your fridge that reminds me carl is uh you're a big soda guy right huge and and i learned from you that that monster energy drink was originally made by the hansen company yes right yeah which i i associate that's like a hippy dippy healthy non that's that's like those kind of uh sodas you get at a health food store and they started monster that's insane yeah yeah they started monster that should let you know not to drink hansen's being like this is healthy i wonder why they

would do that uh sort of make themselves seem like a health drink but also uh dip into the energy oh they're probably trying to make a shit ton of cash because they don't give a shit about the consumer. Corporate shit. Oh, where have I seen that before? Oh, yeah, every other fucking corporation. I get what's going on. And they weren't making no money on hands.

You give me two glasses of cab salve and I'm going off. I'm going off. When's the last time you saw a bro with a Hanson's and I'm going off. I'm going off. When's the last time you saw like a bro with a Hanson's tattoo? That's true. That's true. Or a Hanson's

snapback hat. I think I got a monster hat in there and I don't even drink monster. I hate energy drinks. You don't do, you don't do Red Bull? Energy drinks make my balls hurt.

Oh shit. And you don't like when your balls hurt? No. You gotta get Bing. Go to Albertson's and get yourself some Bing Cherry all-natural energy drink. It's delicious. I'll try it.

And, I mean, it will absolutely make your balls hurt. Yeah, be warned. Your balls are going to be hurting. Ouch. Ouch. All right, final thoughts for me. I love it. I do it all the time,

especially Cabernet. And, uh, this is, we're reviewing wine. Mike didn't like wine. Jeff likes wine. I like wine.

Who's next? Carl. Carl, go for it. Uh, so I like wine now. I still say there are still Friday night night activities for me and we've all been at the you know at the hyperion public after a nice with we weren't all there were we all there

for for after spoofmas this year yeah yeah yeah and uh so happy to have spoofmas back and that was i came out special for that. That was so fun. That was beautiful. Get ass. That was my favorite. Mike Mitchell singing get ass. I still just text him randomly, get ass. And I leave a voice memo so he plays it. That's good news because Mitch belly ached over that so much. He was texting me like, I think I might do this.

I'm not sure. It's funny as fuck. That ached over that so much. He was texting me like, I think I might do this. I'm not sure. And it's like, yeah, it's funny as fuck. That shit made me laugh so hard. But those were Friday night activities where we go to a bar, a full bar, and we have ourselves a merry little cocktail where we get our whiskey cokes. I'm a Crown Royal guy. I love a purple bag. And I got purple bags all around full of change around my house.

And my needles and thread. When I need to patch up something. Yeah, I like wine. I like hanging out the wall but i think i like the vibe of it more than i do like yeah you know the actual like i i like it i i but i like this one type you know i mean yeah i like a dark i like a mall back i like the sweeter darker bigger body bolder taste where i can where i feel like i'm getting drunk because i feel like that's why we why do we drink alcohol we don't drink alcohol for the taste no no no we drink it to mess up our brains

and kidneys to choke the oxygen out of our blood yeah and make us feel I hate those little kidneys I want to poison them uh now wait a minute you know what that you brought up good point that just the idea of like a wine bar with your friends seems like such a better idea sometimes. Let's go to the loudest bar we can think of and not really be able to hear ourselves talk. I see the appeal. Now I see why the show was made. I like all the accoutrement. I like to taste and have a little prosciutto.

prosciutto and the little have you ever have you ever gone to like a fancy ass restaurant and done fine dining and done the wine pairing where each course gets its own pour of wine no what do i look like a vanderbilt so i have done that uh i'm not a vanderbilt i'm a purdue wow boy i'm a DuPont. Didn't the Purdue, aren't they like the... Oxycontin. Yeah, Oxycontin. I go out and eat Purdue money. Go ahead. But I've done that. It doesn't make any sense to me.

However, I think it was recently I had one at the spot that we go to, and we were eating some food there. And they were like, this will go really... They have really good charcuterie plates yeah yeah yeah and uh i was having a charcuterie and man they gave me a wine that paired so well with some cheese it tasted like and here's here's what the experience that i had with the wine it was was, I'm eating the cheese and crackers and I do all that

and then I take a sip of the wine and it just straight up just tastes like Kool-Aid. And I'm like, oh my God, it blows my mind. Because it was- The Kool-Aid guy

kicks you to the wall. Creating a new taste in the mouth. And I'm like, oh, this is what they mean by a pairing. Yeah. Because this paired so damn, because it enhanced the flavor of the wine.

Yeah. You can taste the wine and the wine tastes like wine. And then I had a little bit of that cheese and take a sip of that wine. And it literally was like, oh yeah. Like it was so good. I, it's that, it is a strange phenomenon when like two things go together

and it's like a thing you've heard about forever, but you don't experience and it wouldn't work. I have, I've had like, I've done very little fine dining, but I did, I had some, after a job I did, I got a gift card to Providence, which is like this amazing. The city? I've been there before, Tim. It was a, it was a plane ticket to Providence, Rhode Island. Rhode Island? I have a beach house in Rhode Island? The city? I've been there before, Tim. It was a plane ticket to Providence, Rhode Island. Rhode Island? I have a beach house in Rhode Island. You have a beach house in Rhode Island?

Geez Louise. I wouldn't say it's on the beach. Take me on as a landlocked. I don't think that's a beach house. A stone's throw, maybe. It is, because we go there in the summer, and we go to the ocean, and it's not a lake house. It's not a lake house. It's basically a beach house.

Basically a beach house. I think that that is the distinction. If it's not a lake house, it's a beach house. And in the summer, there's so much sand in our car, and in the winter, there's so much snow in our car. Ooh. I've only been in the snow twice in my life. I'm not from a place where it's snow. Carl.

Carl. Get in the snow, Carl. I don't like it. No. You don't like the snow. Nobody likes the snow. You're correct, Carl. I like the snow for the first day and then the next day.

So I played basketball when I was in college and it snowed in the town that I was in. And the first day I was like, oh, my God, snow in and the first day I was like, oh my god, snow! And the second day I was like, oh my god, snow. It's so messy. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. What city was that? Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Oh. Okay. Maybe you should try snow pants. Have you ever tried snow pants? Yeah, Carl. I have snow pants for fashion. But you have them for function, Carl. No.

You need functional pants. It's 80 degrees out here. I hate when snow, you know, I'm from New York, and when it's like March or April and the snow's all muddy and it's just hanging around and it's just gross. Also, if you live in the country and then the snow's all muddy and it's just hanging around and it's just gross yeah also when the when if you live in the country and then the snow melts and you see that there's a bunch of dog shit that's piling up all winter and then now it's been revealed it's awful now it's been lying there the

whole time now it's been revealed it was out of sight out of mind oh but we all knew it was there hey i didn't review wine. Wait. Yeah, yeah. Tig hates something. What do you hate, Tig? I hate when it's like the summer and the snow's still there. Oh, yeah. Does that happen a lot? Oh, yeah. Wait, what?

You're trying to go to the beach on the 4th of July and there's a snowman right there. Melting away. It's just like a tiny bit of snow when it's short season. Like in the springtime. I agree with that. Short season is summertime.

It'll be kind of packed up like in a parking lot. There'll be like a little icy block of snow still sitting there. We went on a hike in the woods today and we saw some snow up there. But mostly there's none. My review of wine is that it's good and I love it. Alright.

So three yeses and a no. And this particular, this Francis Coppola Cabernet Sauvignon 2019 Paso Robles is a good chugger. Have it with your spaghetti, folks. That's our show. Follow us on social media at The Sloppy Boys, where we release these recipes

ahead of time. Also, be sure to check out our Patreon, where subscribers can unlock The Sloppy Boys Blowout, our weekly bonus episode. That's patreon.com slash The Sloppy Boys. Carl Tartt, thanks so much for coming, man. Thank you for having me. Love y'all.

You got anything you want to plug, or where can we find you? You can watch me on NBC on Tuesday nights at 8.30 on a TV show called Grand Crew. This Tuesday is the season finale. And then check it out there when this airs. And then they're on Peacock. Check them out. It's a great show. You can watch all the episodes on Peacock and Hulu if you missed the whole series.

Also, if you missed the whole series and you call yourself my friend, never talk to me again. You blew it. And other than that, you can watch, you can listen to my podcast I got with my buddy Lamar Woods called XOXO Gossip Kings where we re-watch, well, I watched for the first time, the Gossip Girl series.

It's very fun. And also, you know them, you love them. We all know them, We all know them. We all love them. The boys, the famous boys. Hayes Davenport, Sean Clements, and myself host a podcast called Flagrant Ones on patreon.com slash theflagrantones where you can get the Flagrant Ones and other content like Hollywood Handbook, Carl Calls His Cousin, where I call my cousin on the phone and talk massive.

Yeah, you got a little empire over there. I got a little empire. A little empire. I am the Terrence Howard of podcasts. You guys are about to... Why don't I ever call my cousin? You're about to get taken over by the Sloppy Boys Empire. So watch out.

Sloppy Boys Empire. I want in. I want in. Tig, are you going to watch me on TV? You going to watch my show? It's funny. Maybe. My show, Tig, my show. She'll give you a solid maybe, Carl. Yeah, that's good enough. Hey, Carl, drop your at.

You want them to find you on the socials, don't you? I'm at dammitcarl on Instagram. D-A-M-M-I-T-C-A-R-L. Only on Instagram. I deleted Twitter because I am smart. You're missing some good stuff. I'm telling you. I'm putting out gems.

We got Jeff's tweeting. Linda Underwear is always making us laugh. Now, Linda Underwear, I still, so I made a burner so I can still get my Linda Underwear updates. I do have a burner Twitter account, but I'm, because there was a time where my buddy Patrick McDonald would send me Linda Underwear tweets. You got to lurk a little bit. Yeah, I got to lurk. I got to lurk a little bit. I don't got to lurk. I got to lurk a little bit. I don't follow nobody that we know, just so none of these.

Well, what's that Twitter? That at is, no. Wait, wait. When you're on your burner, do you like anything, or would that leave too much of a paper trail? You know what's funny? I do, but I don't. I won't again for like, because it's like habit now where you see something and I like it. But I literally,

I check my burner maybe once every three weeks. Oh, that's good. Must be great for your brain, Carl. It helps. Instagram is getting just as bad. Yeah. And especially now that I'm like- Are you doing TikTok?

I will watch TikTok and I'll find myself scrolling through TikTok for hours a day. There's some very funny stuff on TikTok. I haven't even, I got to get into it. I got to let the algorithm learn me. I got to learn the algorithm. I just put my, I created a TikTok account a couple weeks ago, and I posted one thing

that I already posted on Instagram. I think I have two followers, and I was just like, I got to see what this is. And I opened it up, and it's so much, so many filters, so many things. I was just like, oh, I don't know this. I don't know this layout. I don't know how to do any of that stuff, but the actual scroll, like I have an account that I don't post from, but I just watch.

Yeah. And it is the most joyful, like the the dirtiness you have the feeling you have from twitter or instagram i i feel like the the because the tiktok algorithm is better yeah it just like finds what you think is funny or what makes you happy and gives you more of that and it's it's great it makes you happy there is a tiktok that popped up in my in my feed the other day uh i don't want to take is back now i don't want to say it in front of Tig. Cover your ears, Tig. There was a TikTok

and I don't know how this got into my algorithm but it was a woman who was filming her mother's house. Her mother's a drug addict and she had just OD'd. I'm like, why are you filming this, lady? There's so much stuff I see on there. I'm like, just handle your personal business

without having to put on the internet yeah yikes i think it's a lot more tiktok is a lot more kind of like warts and all unflattering real life as opposed to instagram where it's like influencers are you know like putting their spin on it tiktok it just feels like lots of people showing off their jobs like here's what my day is like and stuff like that. I could hear like that much. Oh, Tig. Tig. You better not repeat it in school.

Stay off TikTok, Tig. Don't repeat that at school. I hear the bad part. All right. If you don't, don't repeat it in school unless you want to be the funny kid, because that's what I used to do. I would always repeat the adults conversation. You're a couple of years ahead of those other kids now.

Yeah. That's good. Folks, we love that you listen to the show, tell a friend, and we'll see you next week. Thanks, Carl. Thanks, Carl. Bye, Carl. Thank you. Is that it?

Y'all not kicking it no more? All right. Wrap it. That's it. Wrap it up. I guess I'll stop this recording. Bye, Carl. Bye, Tig.

Nice to meet you, Tig. Yeah, thanks, buddy. And now to play us out, this is for Kurt from Greenstone Landscape and Design. One, two, three, four. I like to party. I like to have fun. Hey, everybody. Hey, everyone. Let's party, dude.

Let's party. It's a party, dude. Let's party. It's a party, dude. We're partying. Bring us to a disco. Take me on the floor. Introduce me to the DJ. Tell him my name's Tim. Turn the music up.

Turn the speaker on. Tell the people to listen to the song. Get us out of the disco. Bring us to our home. Tuck us in our bed. Pour some warm milk. Let's party, dude Let's party Let's party, dude

We're partying Let's take this party on the road! One, two, one, two, three, four! Taking that party on the road! Taking that party on the road! Taking that party on the road! Taking that party on the road! On that Green Mountain bus. On that Green Mountain train.

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