The Smark Avengers - Batman, Superman and Sonic?! Building DC’s Hero Team | DC vs Marvel Tournament Pt. 3

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

It’s DC’s turn in the Ultimate Marvel vs DC Tournament! 💥 Corey, Dylan, and Jon are drafting 16 heroes to represent the DC Universe, from legendary icons like Batman, Superman, and Nightwing to unexpected wildcards like Doctor Manhattan, Morpheus, and even Sonic the Hedgehog! Who deserves to stand as DC’s best against Marvel’s mightiest heroes? And which picks will leave the team scratching their heads? In this hilarious and passionate episode, the crew debates power levels, legacy, and wild card factors while building the definitive DC Heroes lineup for the crossover tournament of a lifetime. 🦸‍♂️ Featuring discussions on:Batman vs Superman: Who’s the real leader? Should Morpheus and Doctor Manhattan count as DC heroes? Why Sonic the Hedgehog might secretly be the fastest man alive. How DC’s deep bench compares to Marvel’s hero roster. 🎙️ This is Part 3 of our multi-episode Marvel vs DC Ultimate Tournament series — make sure to check out the Marvel Heroes and Marvel Villains drafts first! If you love DC Comics, Marvel crossovers, comic book debates, or tier-list-style superhero drafts, this episode is for you. 📺 Subscribe for weekly deep dives into comic book history, absurd fan theories, and debates that no one asked for but everyone loves. Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.ukClick the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's project "Henry's Usual": https://www.tumblr.com/henrysusual Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

It's from Sonic Adventure 2. It's the same song. It's not like Adventure 2. It's live and learn. Corey, if you haven't heard Live and Learn, that's the song you should be singing. Isn't that a song that Paul McCartney did? Ah.

It's living that die. Oh, okay. I thought maybe that song was in Sonic. You know, like, right when that drop happens is when he goes really fast. You haven't heard the song. You have to hear the song. The song of the Edchuk song or the Paul McCartney song? I would be surprised if you haven't heard the Paul McCartney song.

I would encourage you to listen to both. Not at the same time. It would be sensitive messages, I think. It would make any sense. But the Sonic the Hedgehog one is pretty good. I know I have to live, but I can't remember if I need to let live or die or let die and then live. I don't know. You have to live and learn.

I have to live and learn. but then I have to also let it die. Headhog one, you have to live and you have to learn. You have to do both. If you only do one, fuck it up. Then you have to get fucked over and a divorce by a woman with one leg. That was not in the game. No.

Sonic the Hedgehog would not date a woman with one leg. He'd be like, what am I supposed to do with this? I can't run fast. I'll leave her behind and that's rude. Sonic the Hedgehog in the games has shown that he is not concerned with leaving other people behind. That's good of him, though. Isn't it? I think it is.

Why? He runs away. No, he just runs away from people. Oh, that's true. He doesn't care if they're left behind. He just runs because he's Sonic. He saw Linda McCartney coming after that divorce with Paul, and he's like, I can't let her get her closet on me.

Gotta go. I will also say, give him what we know about Sonic the Hedgehog. Has he learned? I don't think so. I don't feel like it. I don't feel like he's learned. Didn't Linda McCartney die, and I think she had both her legs. I thought she only had one leg.

Linda McCartney died, and she had both her legs. Yeah, she just had one leg. His second wife. Heather Mills. Heather Mills. Okay. So Heather Mills is the one who only had one leg. Is she still alive?

I believe she's still alive. We know part of her is dead. The leg. The leg part. Totally dead. And also, also. maybe her heart. That bank account though,

it's doing pretty damn good. Well, Paul McCartney was a very prolific songwriter. I don't know if you know this, but... I didn't actually. I'm not a fan. Well, this will surprise you, Corey, but he actually did the theme tune to it. James Bond's film. I thought he did the theme song to a Sonic the Hedgehog game.

No, that was live and learn. That was Crush 40. You live and you learn. Is that what happened to her life? It got crushed 40 times. By Sonic the Hedgehog. By Sonic the Hedgehog, yeah. He'll crush him.

He ran over it. 30 times. Is that the intro? I think it has to be the intro. How much of the Sonic the Hedgehog should be keeping in? Because that's a long intro. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Spark Avengers.

His name is Corey. With me is Dylan and John. How's it going, guys? Hello. Yep, not bad. Yep. Certainly better than that woman's leg. Heather Mills, please, show her us the respect.

I don't know why. Did you say, do you wonder why? Why should we show her respect? I don't know why you should share her respect. She divorced her partner. And from all of the kinds, she was a terrible person, but, you know. Do you guys like the Beatles? Yeah, I love the Beatles.

I'm not a fan. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, not a fan. I love the Beatles, dude. Big big fan of the Beatles. Yeah, yeah. That's fair. If you like the Beatles,

you don't love Sonic the Hedgehog Adventure 2 Battle. Oh, the music and that's amazing. So is it the same deal, but like, if you like the monkeys, does that mean you like Gex the Gecko? No. Okay. Corey, we talk, right? Are you talking?

I just want to make sure. I'm trying to find the alignment. Anyway, so this is part three of what is likely going to be like a multi-year. definitely a multi-parter, where we are creating an official Smart Avengers bracket, where we're going to put the greatest heroes and villains of Marvel and DC against one another before we have our final confrontation between the best of Marvel versus the best of DC, and we see what happens. We're still kind of cooking up how the actual fights are going to go, but right now, much like the last two episodes, we are here to determine who's going into the bracket

quadrants. So we did a quadrant for Marvel Heroes, a quadrant for Marvel villains. And now we're going to do a quadrant for, that was you messaging me the song from Sonic. Please check your phone Corey. I got a very important message, I would imagine. I don't know why

you wanted to see me a picture of this woman's mangled leg, but okay. Why would I take a picture of her amputated leg? Where would I get that picture from? I don't know. Why did you send it? I was the one that mangled and amputated her leg because I don't think I think I want that kind of information I think.

That's slander. That's slander. That's Ned Slanders. Anyway. No, we have to keep all that in so you can keep the Ned Slanders been in, which is so far the highlight of the show. We're fucking all cylinders right now. So anyway, yes, today we are going to look at the DC Heroes

that will be making up a bracket. We're going to go around the horn. We're going to do 21 names. We're going to pair it down to 18 names. and that will decide who's going into the DC Hero side. 16. 16. Yes, sorry, 16, yes.

Because I think we wanted to go around. 16, yeah. No? Yeah. Yes. Okay, sorry, Matt. 16 is the final number. Yeah.

16 is the final number. I guess you. Because if we did, yeah. 21, so we started with 21 and we narrowed it down. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 16 last time. Yes, because we only get 16 for all four.

We can't do more for the DC one. I'm going to run out. You're going to pick twice and run out is the problem. Dude, I can't pick half the time, and I'm still going to run out. We're going to run out after Batman. Is that your say, is that your say you want to go first? I have a feeling somebody's going to go first, and then I'm going to go second and say Batman. Yeah.

So if somebody else makes Batman, I'm first. Fuck. All right. So I think maybe that's a sign that, you know, if you want to have idea how this works, the last two episodes were pretty much this, except with Marvel Heroes and Marvel villains. This is going to be more of a stretch, I think, for Dylan and John, because they're not so much on D.C. side of things. So I will be here to kind of help us through the conversations for some characters

that may or may not make sense to them. But Dylan, is that if the concern is that you don't have much of the way of picks, you're more than welcome to go first and then John and then I'll go. I like being in the middle. You like being in the middle? I like a little smart Avengers sandwich. Okay. You're the little pimento in our lobes of bread.

Does it work for John? John, are you happy to be the bread? Yeah, I'll be some tasty white bread. I was going to ask what kind of wipe straight away right, but not even like a like a baguette or whatever. like not yeah yeah a brio sheeted little brioch oh i like in as possible yeah sesame seed it's a nice pawn oh yeah actually i can i could go for some sesame seed yeah you know i'm allergic to sesame seeds it was a very strange that was a really weird it was a really

weird experience to figure that out is that mild allergy well it's just that mild allergy whereas like there's this uh place nearby that has like a sam in like pokey bowl and they have like roasted sesame seeds on top of it and every time i would have it my face would start to it's really bad i'm like that's really weird that that keeps happening every time i have this and i go hmm and yeah figured out sesame seeds what i'm allergic to i like that with every time you added your face kept itching and you're like it's not it's not gonna stop me yeah it's delicious pokey bowl yeah i i'll never stop i could be allergic to all of these things i could be allergic to the bowl they put it in i don't care

Yeah, it's a good pokey bowl. Local small business near, down the street. Quarterstone Daly, shout out. I bet they do all sorts of great bread. They do, actually. They are also like a strange bagel place as well. Like, they do, uh, they do bagels and they also do like Japanese and Chinese cuisine. It's a very strange sort of it.

That sounds awesome. It's really great. Let's talk about that of this show. Sure. I want to talk about the bagel place. Yeah. So they have different types of bagels. They have a lot of bagel sandwiches,

and you can just swap out. If you don't want bread, you can just put a bagel instead. It's pretty great. Yeah. There's a couple of, like, really good bagel places over here, which is surprising.

But there's, like, there's one in Lurgan that's so fucking good. Like, it's unreal. Like, they stack all the shit. Like, and it's really, like, really tasty, like, ingredients as well. They, like, stack it up. Oh, dude.

So good, man. Yeah. So John, who are you picking first? Yeah. What's your first bagel pick? What's your first bagel pick? This is a bagel draft now. Bagel pick.

If we get DC Heroes, it's all bagels. They're going to the draft. They're going in the bracket against the Marvel side, though. So you've got to pick a bagel that you think's going to beat Dr. Doom. I am not a big bagel guy. You know, I'm really not either. I'm from the below the mid-Atlantic part of the United States, and bagels are not like a thing. And then when I moved up north, they're just everywhere.

Like the building that I work in, there's a bagel place on the bottom floor. That's so fucking weird to me. Well, like, you know, I wouldn't have said Northern Ireland would be like a big bagel hub either. But there's a couple of bagel places like near me. And they're fucking good, man. They're really good. We're all just trying to be like New York, I think. You know.

John, come to Ireland and I'll show you some bagel places and you're going to go, fuck me, dude. That's a good bagel. And that'll be a quote. They'll put that on the coffee cups. It'll just be a picture of John with like a thumbs up. And it's like, fuck me. That's a good bagel.

No, it won't be a picture of John. He'll be a picture of John, but he'll be wearing a Dr. Doom mask. There we go. So it'll be a picture of Dr. Doom. Yeah. People just wonder why M.F. Doom is like sponsoring this bagel place. That's. It uses the name like that.

It'll be royalties for that, wouldn't there? You would hope. Yeah. Anyway, I don't know how much of that stand in. I don't know how much of that stand in. Devastated us with your with your cuts, your censorship. All right, John, so first pick, who you got? Batman.

For DC? Yeah. Yeah, Batman? Oh, I thought you said Ant Man. I went, what? Remember we did a bit or anywhere where you said if somebody picked Batman, I fucked? Yeah. I thought you just straight up said Ant Man.

I went, what? That's the most confusing to me. I was like, hold on. But do you mean the Adam? I love that you heard something that sounded like Ant Man, but it could also very easily signed like Batman. And your brain was like, it's got to be Ant Man. There's no way that he said.

D.C. thing. Listen, the way this conversation has been going so far in this episode, it's very well possible. We've been trying to distract you. and confuse you with talking about bagels and Sonic Badchalk so that this DC list was much smoother for both of us. Listen, all I know right now is that Ant Man drove a bagel truck and ran over Paul McCartney's wife's leg with it

while playing the Sonic Badchalk song. See, that's how confused I am. And she lost her leg before she met him. Where did she put it? Safe deposit box. See, you got to go back and get this. Oh, a solid gold safe deposit box. Why should need the money from the divorce then?

She got a solid gold safe plus a box. Corey, you're from America. People don't need money. They want money. That's true. That's very true. Anyway, John, Batman. What the fuck else do we got to say with Batman?

Yeah. I mean, that's face it. It's just Batman. It's like, you know what we were like, oh, what should we talk about with Iron Man? It's fucking Iron Man. The Spider-Man, like, we know this. There's like four we need to get out of the way. Yeah, that's fair.

So we'll just get them by the way, shall we? Okay, well, if that's the case, if John, if the first pick is Batman, Dylan, it's your turn. Do you guys ever heard of a guy called Batman? He's no. I heard of a guy called Ant Man. What's he like? Yeah. He seems okay.

He hits his wife. It seems to be the only thing anyone ever wants to talk about with him. Which Ant Man? That's the problem. You got your first one who is, your first one who hits his wife, the second one who was a, a thief and then the third one who was a pervert so I mean take your pick

I'm a good list not the best list of legacy heroes and only two of them got married to Paul McCartney yeah and then hit him which you and that one that one also got married to Palm McCartney

so I can't pick Batman again probably I mean you could pick a different Batman there have been more than one Batman I mean you were with Bruce Wayne there's John Paul Valley, there's Dick Grayson. I think with the rules of this game, we can't... The Batman we've picked is clearly Bruce Wade.

But you can pick Azrael or Nightwing. Right, exactly. But we can't pick some other cons as Batman because that's just... We've already got Batman. Yeah. And that is Batman. Yeah. But you can pick Asriel who was Batman at one point.

Could pick that guy that you just said. Yeah. His name. Um, but I should probably, like we say, get to heavy hitters out of the way first. And then we'll pick all the other ones he just named. And we'll hopefully name again when it's my turn. Um, so I'm going to go with the other big one, which is Superman. There you go.

Because he's really super and he's the man. There you go. You go. Yeah. All right. So pick one is Batman. Superman on this thing. All right.

We have pick one is Batman. Pick two is Superman. Uh, pick three will come to. me and for pick three i will go with um everyone's favorite the flash well kind of yeah because they didn't they do like a crossover with sonic the headhog and so so something headjoke is now part of dc comic lore technically so we could when i run out of people like sonic the headshot you could also pick godzilla and ruby and the luteons characters he man he man the ninja turtles

how angry would you guys be if I picked Sonic the Hedgehog later I would likely vote against that one going into the bracket listen it's a free pick for me so I don't mind can we specify which flasher is that you've Wally yeah if I'm going to pick one I'm going to pick Wally West he is the fastest of them okay see the speed force I mean they're all speed force well most of uh yeah I think all of them at this point are Speed Force.

The first Flash wasn't Speed Force. He was pre-speed Force. He was like the one that got his- Yeah, he was the one who got like his powers from like hard water because it was the 1930s. Yeah. Yeah, it was. We didn't know science super great.

Yeah, we're not doing this again. We're not, we're not doing this. But that was the one who would also have the lightning bolt that he would throw into the room before he would like run into the room as well. That was my favorite little weird thing about him. He had the wings in his hat? Yeah. Okay.

John, your pick for number four. I will go for Linderkata. Fuck, bitch. Well, Wonder Woman, fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. And now I think we've run out of characters that Dylan knows. You know, there's a whole...

I was gonna say, you know, that there was a, the whole reason we're doing this is because they're putting out a storyline that is a bracket of DC characters fighting each other. There's kind of a cheat sheet out there for you to pick some names. All right. If one were to look, it would be referred to as DC-K-O, I believe. So if you were to look up DC-K-O, you would see a pre-made bracket of characters. Just for the record, I'm not doing that right now.

No, you're just looking up. You're looking at more Sonic the Hedgehog songs. I don't need to look them up, dude. They're all in here. I've insulted that you would think that I don't know Sonic the Hedgehog songs off by heart by now. I know a awful lot of my Sonic the Hedgehog. What the fuck?

Sorry, I'm just looking at pictures of... Fornography. I was looking at pictures of Heather Mills' leg. no need for that really wasn't um well you know who i was gonna pick who you're gonna pick because i'm like i obviously i was responding to an email yeah that's why i had my phone in my house but to get back on topic one of the guys i was going to pick because the thing didn't load yet like one of the things that i do know because we've talked about him and he was in the film is uh green lantern okay not

I'm going to say, which Green Lantern? And then I'm going to like put my hand over my face. And then in the edit, you'll just, whatever the name of the guy is, you put it in there. The one from the Superman movie? No, he was said fucking Ron Reynolds was actually Green Lantern.

Well, but well, yeah, but there was this. Hal Jordan. Yeah, Hal Jordan. Yeah. Then put it. I was going to say also, I mean, Guy Guy Gardner was Green Lantern in the most recent Superman movie as well.

Because there's a dozen. Yeah, well. But it's Nathan Philly. Yeah, that was Nathan Fillion. Well, he's better. Ryan Mellon's when you have the Fillion. I mean, you know, they're playing very different Green Lanterns. Correct.

Because one of them is... One of them is the bracket. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. So that's my pick. Okay. All right.

So far, we have Batman. We have Superman. We have Wally West the Flash. We have Wonder Woman. We have Hal Jordan Green Lantern. I will keep us going with... We'll get magic in there now. I want to go with Dr. Fate, the Kent Nelson, Dr. Fate, if I have to be specific.

So he is DC. He's basically, if you need an equivalent, he's the DC version of Dr. Strange. He is the avatar for the Lords of Orders of Orrin. order. So his magic is very much against the laws of chaos. And very ethereal, very ancient, a lot of artifacts has a magic helmet. It's good times. What is the helmet? Well, the helmet is the basically puts him in touch with the Lords of Order and gives him all of the knowledge needed to cast the spells that he needs to cast. Okay. So he was played by Pierce Brosnan played him in the terrible Black Adam movie. I haven't seen it. No,

so much people did. That was probably why it failed. I don't think that's why it failed because of Pierce Brosnan. No, I think he failed. Oh, no, no. No. It took 10 years about this movie that nobody wanted to see. Yeah.

Anyway, we are now back to top the order with John. John, who is your next pick? Well, I mean, I think. we need some sort of you know like street level type guys in there so i'm gonna say green arrow oh queen version okay i'm i'm obviously very into that i was gonna say i was very tempted to put him in but i was also like we didn't put hawkeye in the marvel version but because he sucks though yeah there was better heroes to pick and hawkeye we had the shit telling all the guys to pick you guys just don't know your DC stuff as well that's okay

don't patronize us Dylan is speaking of patronizing it's your turn what's up okay what if Superman was a girl well you got choice here now which one you picking I fucking know you drafted one of them when we did a wheel episode my man that one that one I drafted so power girl

No, Supergirl. Supergirl. Well, Power. Wait. I'll explain. So Power Girl is Supergirl from Earth 2, who is trapped on the regular world. So she is Supergirl that is older and more experienced from an alternate Earth that is stranded on this one. So a lot of her stories are about, like, alienation and not really fitting in with the particular super family there and doing her own thing as a more mature and wizened supergirl.

Okay. That one. Do you like Power Girl? Sure. I love Power Girl. I'm going to tell you to do what you did last time and look up a picture of her and see if that reinforces your opinion of her. I have a feeling last time it dissuade me significantly. I think it kind of did. Let me just look real quick. Just for the record, I'm looking up.

Corey wanted me to look up a picture of Power Girl. So I'm looking at that. I definitely not looking up the brackets. this DC thing. This is different thing. All right. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm sticking with Power Girl, I think. Yeah, many people do. Many people do. Yes. Let's move on. Power Girl. Power Girl.

All right. So my next pick is going to be the bounty hunter from space who loves his dolphins. and Deadpool kind of took his shtick. Lobo. I feel like Deadpool took a lot of stick from some DC characters. He kind of did. And I wouldn't say the same one, surely. No, a lot of his personality is very Lobo.

The fourth wall breaking a little bit. I mean, very famously, you know, Lobo has a leather jacket, says, Bite Me fanboy on the back of it. But yeah, I know. A lot of, I mean, a lot of Deadpool is death stroke with a dash at Lobo.

A lot of death stroke. A lot of death stroke. That's the next episode. Maybe. Maybe. It'd be kind of weird not to draft him in that one. Well, a lot of villains.

Yeah. Yeah, a lot of villains on that end. But yes, so Lobo is my pick. We're back to top the order. John, it is now your turn. I will go for... the original Robin, but not as the original Robin as Nightwing, Dick Grayson. It's a good one.

Do you remember some of the... You were... I think all of your picks so far have been very street-level, except for Wonder Woman. She's pretty street. She gets, you know, the lawsuit and stuff. Like, she's, like... It's pretty street level, I think. I'm blood of a god and super-strength, her.

ability, speed, flight. She's getting down and she's like fighting with people. Yeah, she's not like lifting people up with her telekinetic powers or whatever. Like I feel like she's a brawler. That's true. She's not shooting over the laser vision. It's true. So Dylan, your turn?

Okay. What if Superman was a girl, but it was a different girl than the one we picked? I'm not doing. I would say. What if Superman was a dog? What if Superman had a teenage son? Yeah.

What if Superman was a car, you know? We've not even gotten into Streaky, the Supercat, or there's Comet, the Super Horse. 1960s were a weird time, man. Comet was weird because Comet secretly was in love with Supercats. girl and he was so desperate to tell her the truth but he could never because he's a horse couldn't talk he's a fucking horse yeah yeah now if if gil simon was right now that horse had a personality i mean the wouldn't be and the horse wouldn't be a weird sex pass either

so probably not think about it um just how to write a horse um i had okay i had a character i'm in no one of the number i'm in the I know this come up now because I'm like I really don't know a whole lot of characters but I'm like I want I want to ask you to if this character a counts as a DC character and B counts as a hero okay okay because my pick heavily depends on both of those things being yes okay okay but I was gonna go with the Sandman. Morpheus. Dream. I would say he's a DC character because he's under the DC umbrella.

Whether or not he's a hero is, I mean, content. I would, I would say no because he doesn't really do much in the way of like hero stuff. There have been other sandmans. There's the Wesley Dodd Sandman who's like basically a guy with a gat, like a gun that shoots sleeping gas. Yeah. But yeah. I don't know if I would count. if I would count dream. Just because he's not a bunch of a way of hero. I would say as well, like, is his comics, like, I've never read the Saman comics, like the original run,

but I'm guessing they're not actually set in the DC universe. They are. They are. They are. Yeah. Because he's crossed over with a couple of the characters. Yeah, Dr. Destiny is features quite prominently into one of the early arcs, and he's an old Justice League villain.

Yeah. There is cross-over. over um it's just i think the the hero thing is is the the issue that i'm and also what i will say is because i don't really have more picks i can just pick him now and then when we get to the 21 we can just easily just cross him off the list yeah yeah much like with sonic the hedgehog my next pick what how does that sign well just say sandman and then we'll move on to the next person yeah Hold on. Let me do a little quick recap, just so I know where we are. Do you want me to read the list?

Yes. I want to make sure. Just a quick level. Okay. So I want to make sure how many we've counted and see how many we have left to pick. We've got Batman, the Walley West version of the Flash, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan's Green Lantern, Dr. Fate, Green Arrow, Power Girl. Lobo, Nightwing, and candidly the Sandman. Okay, so we're at...

So that's picked 11. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Pick 12, I'm going to go with Captain Adam. Captain Adam is a character that basically he was a military experiment gone wrong. He has...

He's powered by nuclear energy. And if he pierce his body, he will explode. and basically cause the end of the world. pierced his body. Yes. Yes. Yes. So have you ever read, well, I'm going to ask if you ever read Kingdom Common.

I have a feeling you might not have. But that is an element of it is that Captain Adam gets his body pierced. And because he is powered by nuclear energy, he basically is a bomb explodes. But yes. Yeah, Captain Adam, he's fun. So he's not like an air ring? Probably not, no. He is who Dr. Manhattan was based off of.

All right, John, we're back at the top of the order with you. I will go for someone who's not street level this time, and are they a Martian a Manhunter. Oh. I guess is what he's got similar sort of powers to like vision in terms of intangibility and stuff like that but he can also shape-shift as well I want to say he has basically the powers of Superman but he can shape-shift as well as change his density and the only big difference is he has a crippling weakness to fire oh don't we all what a pussy all all right Dylan is your turn at number 14.

I think we should talk about Martian Mon Hunter a little bit longer because we just kind of glossed over him. Yeah, we can talk about Martian Man Hunter a little longer. Martian Man Hunter, kind of the forgotten original Justice League member when they decided to do the new 52 relaunch. They ran with the entire OG Justice League

except for Martian Manhunter, who they decided to replace with Cyborg for some reason. I think because yeah, I think because they were like, oh, the original Justice League lineup wasn't terribly diverse, but they just got rid of Martian Manhunter and swapped him out with Cyborg when they could have like,

I don't know, swapped out like Green Lantern or Flash. I feel like it would have been just as palpable. Yeah, fuck those guys, right? Yeah, it was the leader of Justice League International, which we talked about, Dylan. Remember all those great characters we talked about? We're talking about the JLI.

We did talk about that. We did, quite extensively. We did. What was the guy that I used for the thumbnail? The heckler. The guy whose power is to annoy people. Familiar with that. Wait, is he good guy or bad guy?

He's a hero. Excellent, excellent. I think he's technically a member of the All-Star Squadron, I want to say. Perfect. Perfect. That's good to know. All right. Dylan, it is your turn. Who would you like to pick? Are you sure it's my turn?

I think so. Yeah, yeah. You guys, like, double sure? I don't know with that. I think you should like... Definitely, you'll go. All right. Well, then in that case, I'm going to have to say the name of a character,

since it is not my pick. To elect... D.C... superhero for the pick of the bracket right now so that's what I'm going to do and I am going to pick John Constantine oh okay okay that's a good one fucking smirk you thought I did now I have run out of it I did a little bit of a pantomime there I thought you guys might appreciate that he's a member of Justice League dark course he is famously how does uh on again off again relationship with zatanna as well as uh his ex-boyfriend is king shark

in some continuity yeah and also he was married to heather mills for it mm-hmm what happened to her leg it was him yep he had to use it for a ritual yeah that's just part of it you just have to accept it you know i have newt like of Heather Mills it Like a feather mills. It's a very specific ritual and you can only cast it twice. Yeah. But the first time, beautiful. All right.

Yep. All right. For my next pick, I will go. It's a toss-up for me between these two characters. I will go Mara If I was thinking of an Atlantean I was either going to go with Aquaman or Mara

But with Mara you also get Her water canesis And her use of magic So I'm going to go with Mara Water canesis Classic It's a thing Yep

No, it's a thing Yeah Which makes you wonder if she were to face Hydroman That would fuck his shit up that's how he likes it yeah yeah allie now there you go important the fact so uh john is your turn at pick number 16 uh i'm gonna go or bump thing oh okay who makes my heart thing what was the what was the lyrics of that terrible cartoon oh no dude oh i can't

remember that was brutal it was good bad it was really bad that's a weird swampy i hated all of that it was a rough one that was bad i did not enjoy that all right dylan is now your turn again acoman easy aquaman all right i mean we made fun of him but he has some magic hand so yeah well he's back to having two regular hands now but if we were gonna go magic hand version no we're the one in this is magic hand magic hand version All right. I'm going to write that. Magic canned.

Yep. All right. My next one, we mentioned, we mentioned it earlier, but I'll go ahead and throw him out here anyway. We'll go cyborg. Oh. A tab. All right. He's like a cyborg.

Right? Yep. He was introduced with the death of Superman thing. No. You think of Cyborg. Superman. That's what I'm thinking of. That's a villain.

Keep that in mind the next episode. You can see why we get confused. Yes. One of them's called Cyborg and one of them's called Cyborg, Superman. Yep. So keep that in mind for your next episode. I've already forgotten that. Perfect.

Yeah. All right, John's your turn. This is your last pink, by the way. My last pick. Yeah, yeah. I will go for, the time traveling boost the gold greatest year you've never heard of

very good very good had to get that out the way I've heard a lot about this booster gold character I think you'd like him he's very funny good all right Dylan's your turn with number 20

your last pick yep well just because we mentioned him earlier I'm going to say Dr. Manhattan. I was going to say the heckler, but I don't think

that's going to work, whereas Dr. Manhattan is actually like a fucking threat in terms of a bracket like this. Yeah, the inclusion of the watchman

is a controversial one because it's technically in else worlds. But are you wanting to just put it out there so that we can throw it out? Because if so, that's fine.

Okay. Listen, okay, I'm going to put a deal like this. Yeah. Okay. My pick is either Dr. Manhattan or it's Sonic the Headshop.

Either way it's getting thrown out. You can just choose which one. You can just choose which one of those blue naked characters you want it to be. And it's interesting that they have that in common. It's up to you. Who would you rather have at your tea party Dr. Manana or Sonic the Hedgehog?

It's up to you. We both know that it's just getting thrown out. So, whenever I write Dr. Manhattan slash Sonic the Hedgehog. Okay, fair enough. Just so that you can't pick Sonic the Hedgehog for your last pick. Oh, damn. Fair enough.

So for my last pick, I will go. I'm trying to think of, like, what's somebody that has a lot of powers could be, you know, I'll go to sitana. I'll go to the mistress of magic, Satana. Get another magic user on there. She's got her little, she's got her little top hat. she can talk backwards, cast her spells. Yeah, I remember her.

I drafted. You did draft her, yeah. Well, no, you either did or I did. One of us did. Very famously, you had a reaction to her image that was captured on webcam but was not recorded. Which you were very thankful for it because you forgot we were on camera. You went, oh. Similar to my Power Girl reaction. Similar to Power Girl reaction, yes. All right, so that is our last pick.

So we have 21 and we're going to whittle that down to 16. we have Batman, Superman, the Flash slash Wally West, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern slash Hal Jordan, Dr. Fate, Green Arrow, Power Girl, Lobo, Nightwing, Dream, Captain Adam, Martian Manhunter, John Constantine, Mara, Swamp Thing, Aquaman, Cyborg, Booster Gold, Dr. Manhattan, Zatanna. back to my hand slash Sonic the Hedgehog slash any other character that happens to be blue and naked

there's a catch-all on that one all of a nudist smurf he's in there he was they should not a published dot comic it really shouldn't have so we'll just do it last time go down the line yay or nay if there is a voice of dissent or all nay that person gets pulled And we end with what we end with.

If we have 16, then we're good to go. If not, we'll visit the maybe pile. So, Batman, yay, across the board. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Superman. Yep.

Yep. Wally West. Yep. Fuck you flash. Now I'm joking, yeah. Yep. Wonder Woman, yep. Yep.

Green Lantern. Yep. Yep. Dr. Fate, yes I don't know I'm gonna buy Dr. Faye but I'm just gonna say yes Okay

Yeah I mean he's Pais Strasnan so that's good enough for me Yeah Good enough for us Green Arrow Yes Yes

Power Girl, yes Yes Oh yes Lobo yes Yes Yes yes yes dream I'm gonna go no yes I'm gonna go no as well so what dream over the maybe file I mean if that feels like a certain no but Captain Adam yes

you're I don't fucking know no okay okay I'll go into the maybe file Martian Manhunter yes sir yes John Constance Yes. Yes. Yeah. Mara, yes. It seems like a female Akoman, yeah? Mm-hmm.

Different. She has, like I said, she has magic that she uses as well. She has a lot of the same powers, but she's from a dimension under in Atlantis that is more magic-based. Okay, sure. Swap thing, yes. Oh, no, John did you? John, we didn't go on your own mirror. I didn't.

I was going to say no for mirror. Are you going to hold Amber Heard against her, huh? Well, I figure if we've got Aquaman coming up, he's probably the more famous underwater hero. Plus, he has a magic hand, so he has the magic part of it. There you go. Absolutely. All right, so we'll put Mara in the potential maybe pile.

Yep. Swamp thing, yes. yes yes Aquaman yes yes I think you know my answer here yes

cyborg yes I don't know I know about this guy I've got an awful lot of yeses you can say no I want to say no for the crack okay I'll say yes booster gold yes

yes yes yes Dr. Manhattan, no. Or slash Sonic the Hedgehog. Yes. No. Which one?

To both. And Zatanna, yes. Yes. Yes. All right, so how many does that leave us with Dylan? I think we have 17 yeses. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Oh, I had 16.

We have 16 yeses. Oh, perfect, then. We're good. Yep. All right. We did it. So, quick rundown again. That is going to be representing the hero side of DC Comics.

We have Batman, Superman, Wally West the Flash, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan Green Lantern, Dr. Fate, Green Arrow, Power Girl, Lobo, Nightwing, Martian Man Hunter, John Constantine, Swamp Thing, Aquaman, Booster Gold, and Zatana. Be good. Not bad. Pretty good. Not doing me. You would have improved it, though. Sonic the hedgehog? We have a lot of people on this list, but not a whole lot of animals.

Oh, we should have put animal hand. He could have been every animal. Except, but he couldn't be Sonic the Headshot, though. Nobody was Sonic the Head. By the way, just so you know, this episode has gone so far off the fucking rails, I have no idea when we started. So I know how this episode could be 20 minutes long, or it could be an hour and a half for all I know. also i would like to point out cori that you knew that whenever we were doing a dc focused

podcast with me who famously does not know a lot of a dc uh like i don't know how you didn't expected to get derailed i'm just saying we also you also had a week i got loads of guys you got half of them that's true technically My problem. They're in D.C. comment. It's real shame because the president of the United States

is featured prominently in Marvel. I could have put him on the villain list easily. They were specified which president. They never do. Except one time they did. With that Barack Obama cover. Yeah. Like, yeah, Barack is here.

He's a good one. I'm like, oh, funny, they rest of them didn't get involved. That's interesting. Oh, boy. All right. Well, so that is the, that's the reinforce of the bracket done.

Uh, tune in next week. We will have our DC villains, which I think might go a little bit better than the DC heroes. I want to say might. Yeah. But I think it well. You think it well? Perfect. Uh, we will save John's movie review, uh, slash update for the next episode.

Uh, but, you know, John watches a lot of movies per year. John, where can they go and see how many movies you've watched and what your thoughts on them have been? They can go to letterbook. And find me at the Big John Balski, all onward. And Dylan, what do you get up to during the week? Monday nights, I do a radio show. You can listen to it online.

BarnesDigitalRadio.com.com. Link in the description. I play all sorts of fun, rock music and stuff that I really like. A lot of music you might not have heard before. Some music you have heard before, if you like grunge music from the 90s. And then sometimes I stream. on Twitch

where I animate stuff or draw pictures and that is at Spuikilaroo because I'm trying to make a lot of more animations at Team Crows

and I think is our YouTube page I actually did put the Joker episode up I think I talked about that last I think you did yeah I'll show it to you

in between because obviously there's clearly a week between this episode the next episode so I'll show that episode in between then. There you go. That's top

topical for what we're about to talk about. And as for me, I have another show called Large Old Cup. It's usually every Saturday or Sunday, depending on when I record it. And I also have a writing project thing called Henry's usual. Links are in the description.

Until next time, however, we will see you here. We do the exact same thing, but we're going to focus on DC villains. And I feel like there are going to be a lot of heavy hitters. there. Yes. Real quick, if you guys have listened to this show, first of all, thank you. That was not an easy to listen. Second of all, put in the comments how you agree with me that Sonic the Hedgehog is a DC superhero.

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