The Smark Avengers - Cinematic Synergy Woes

Episode Date: September 18, 2026

Ever since the Marvel Cinematic Universe blew up on the cultural zeitgeist, a whole new generation and audience have been introduced to such iconic characters like Iron Man, Captain America, Spider-Man, and more (including characters from the Distinguished Competition like Superman and Batman) that they may not have encountered any other way. Since comics, like most else in this capitalist hellscape we currently live in, is a business the question becomes how do you convert the movie going audience to comic books readers? Do you capitalize on what the audience has seen and try to reproduce it or do you stick to your guns and show them the classic representation? Thankfully both DC and Marvel has tried to both to mixed success but the prevailing strategy at times has been synchronicity. Sometimes you get winners like updating the Guardians of the Galaxy to be more like James Gunn’s interpretations of the characters and sometimes you aren’t as lucky... 🦸 Sit back and relax as the Smark Avengers discuss some of their least favorite moment where the comics tried to synchronize with the movies (and maybe a few they liked): - The removal of Nick Fury and the introduction of Marcus Johnson aka Nick Fury Jr. - Black Adam joins the Justice League to raise his stock in anticipation of Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson’s “Black Adam” - Civil War 2 being released around the time of the MCU’s “Captain America: Civil War” - Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver losing their status as mutants due to Disney & Fox having rights issues over mutant characters - John Diggle and Felicity Smoak replacing Green Arrow’s supporting cast - Spider-Man gains organic webbing in lieu of having web-shooters All of this and more! 💬 Join the discussion: what is your least favorite attempt by Marvel or DC to synchronize with the movies or television series? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy comic book related discussions and humor 🔔 Subscribe for more comic deep dives, reviews, rankings, and debates Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f Also be sure to check out New Number Ones posted every week on the Smark Avengers YouTube channel!

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Big shoes as well. Yeah, also it's all slopping around. It's a horrible... Is this the beginning of the show? I don't want it to be. I, because I was saying that, I'm like, this is usually the part

where Corey, like, say, hey, here's the stupidest thing you've ever said in your life. That's the beginning of the show.

Hi, everybody, welcome the show. My name's Corey with V's Dylan and John. How's it going, guys? This is very hardful.

Well, Dylan is being very hurt. John, how are you feeling today? What do you keep it in? All of it. I might surprise myself. That's with the con.

I'm good. Thank you very much. I'm glad that you're doing well, John. So, um, that intro aside. Uh, one of the things that we've been kind of kicking around for months now is the idea of doing an episode where we talk about kind of the word, the one word that comic book fans I know dread the most and that is synchronicity. Uh, the great and brilliant idea where the comic book publishers decide that they're going to change something about the comics

to match what's on television or in the movies in order to get the viewers of those shows to read the comics, which I have to tell you, I don't think there's been any math that it's ever proved that that worked. So, we could probably make that math, though, so we're

three math geniuses. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, zero plus zero equals zero. I have to check that. I'm not 100% sure. on that. Fair enough. Let me just get a calculator. I'll have a calculator on me. So I'll just take your word for it. We'll come back to that later.

We'll check in at the end of the show. But yeah, that being said, there's been a lot of, you know, the last 20 years, there's been countless TV shows and movies across Disney Plus and the CW and HBO Max and Marvel Cinematic Universe and the DC Extended Universe and then now the new DC. universe and there's just been a lot of stuff over the last few years, the last 20 years. And so we've seen the comics change and adapt to go with that at times. Sometimes it's worked kind of. Sometimes we absolutely disagree.

We disliked it. And I thought that it's always fun to talk about shit you hate. So I thought, let's talk about some synchronicity moments that we disliked and then maybe a few that we enjoyed for one reason or another. which we did a little pre a sort of temperature check before we started recording and I think it was determined that there may not be as many of those as there are the negative ones unfortunately right um and I think that that is kind of because the whole point of the MCU is that it's very different from the comics it's different universe to do things differently then whenever the comics start linking up with the the films you and then you're like, well, this is, this is all, because it's not what we expect from the comics. It's supposed to be a different universe.

Why is this stuff syncing up? I feel like whenever that starts happening, start to see it negatively more than positively. Yes. All that being said, does anyone want to go first? Do you want to go alphabetical? Because I have three that I dislike and the two that I like. John has three negative, one positive.

What do you guys? that Dylan. It's questionable if I've got anything at all. So I'm just going to leave that mystery hanging in the air for a little bit. I mean, in that case, I think maybe Denon should go first. Yeah. Do you want to just run through all of yours?

Will you shock and Cali like when you kill Venom? Well, one of them is about venom. One of them is you're feeding venom to a pig? Oh, I wish. If that was in the film, I'd be fucking all over that. They don't have smarts that we do. We're too intelligent for the one of the smart Avengers

for a reason. I think we should do one of the time but one of mine is pretty like we won't spend too long talking about it sure I started off with with that one then. That one so that was a Bannam one and this is something I don't like by

Marvel Comics and obviously been very vocal about the symbiodes for the last 78 weeks in the second Vatim film that they're cardage. It's the one with carnage in it yes they kind of like let you know that right off the bat no twist

and yeah so in that film uh the character of carnage is just like really shit and so the comics were like we'll we'll do that as well and then ultimate carnage shit so there you go that was my first one so Carnage did a series

carnage did a series like a bunch of mini series around that time I do recall that and I remember a lot of them were like I'm even. Yeah. Wasn't there?

I remember like one of the gimmicks where it was sort of like a whole, they were like, oh, it's like a horror movie and he's not the main character. I'm like, okay, why are we calling it a Carnage book? He's not the main character.

Hmm. Hmm. I believe Eddie Brock was in it as well. It was like one of the team hunting him in that book. There you go. So then they also made it. That I'm crappy as well. And that synced over to the comics too.

I was going to say, like, Can I, can I just kind of, as somebody who, my knowledge of carnage is very surface level, a lot of it being just being a kid in the 90s and being into comics and superheroes, I saw carnage a lot, whether it be the one episode of like the Spider-Man cartoon or like the advertisements for the video game maximum carnage. What is it, what's so different about carnage today than previously? Like, how did they make carnage shit?

I think it is like a double edge kind of well it's just what they've done with the symbiotes at large they just don't seem like the same characters that they used to be they have this insistence on making people just fucking cosmic level or insanely like

it's already powerful or out of their own like depth or whatever they do this stuff all the time and I'm like it kind of the gates of the threat Carnage was. Again, if you're going at a very surface level, like we do with Spider-Man a lot,

the beauty of Carnage was his simplicity was that he was just an insane serial killer that now he suddenly had the absolute power to just kill people serially. Do you know what you mean? It's such a very simple premise, but also like

quite scary. Like, what if some fucking horrible person did get the ability to just fucking go toe to toe with Spider-Man. And as time has gone on, that simplicity, which can still tell a lot of very good stories. You know, it's so

simple in that Spider-Man's a very good person and Carnage is like the epitome of evil. It's just the easiest story of the tell. And then you have Venom in the middle who's pretending to be an anti-hero, but is he shades of grey or is he really like more of a symbiote kind of character? They don't really tell that story.

Yeah, but like they don't really tell that story at all. said it like, well, what if fucking, they came from space and there was a big dragon. And then Carnage ate all of the old symbiates and then turned into Ultimate Symbiot. And then what if this happened? And then what if, who cares? This is stupid. Like, what if Eddie Brock was coronage? Like, what if he was?

Why would he be carnage? What are you talking about? He's venom and also anti-venom and then also fucking seven the other symbiots. This sucks. This is stupid. I mean, I would argue. maybe that like it predates that movie though like them fucking up carnage like he hasn't been in a good place for a long time they did like was it carnage USA yeah and then the minimum

carnage that was not good yeah i that was that was somebody had a name for it someone had a title and then they're like all right how do we do this yeah yeah yeah it's be funny like oh my god that might be the least funny thing in the world. Pretty much ever since Bendis had Carnage get ripped in half by the century, he's not been good. It's questionable, sure. Well, then you can say that the film synced up

with the comics. There can go. It just went the opposite direction. Yeah, there you go. That was it. All right. John, would you like to go next or should I go next? I can go next.

Go for it. Um, so, uh, I mean, Nick Fury is obviously, uh, you know, a gruff, uh, ex-soldier fought in World War II. He's been sticking around for as long as he has due to, I believe, the infinity formula. Um, like years and years of history in the Marvel comics. Um, and then, yeah, the MCU. you cast Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury based on

the ultimate line where, you know, obviously they kind of took his likeness. Yeah, basically. And yeah, so this results in the Marvel comics deciding

to introduce a new Nick Fury who is, it turns out, the original son. He was called Marcus Johnson, and then all of a sudden, he finds out his heritage and finds out that his dad is Nick Fury.

He has his eye gouged out and has to wear an eye patch, so he also looks like Nick Fury, throws a goatee as well to look like Samuel L. Jackson. And then, yeah, in the meantime, the original Nick Fury gets shuffled off into space and becomes... Yeah, he's basically

I think it's the unseen or something like that that he was called at that time and just, yeah, completely wasted and sent off to you know, no man's land while this you know, MCU version

of Nick Fury comes into the comics and takes over. She was really confusing. Yeah, I got to tell you, like, I remember when that happened and I remember thinking, like, it's comic books. They could have just easily, like, interdimensional thing happens and the Nick Fury of the Ultimate Universe is now in the MCU, is a regular Marvel universe. They could have just done that rather than just like, all right, we're going to introduce this guy named Marcus.

Marcus is going to find out his dad's Nick Fury. He's going to lose an eye, coincidentally enough. He's going to shave his head and grow. t coincidentally enough he's also going to decide that he's like you know what i'm not going to tell i'm not going to make the reference because i've made the reference too many fucking times but's the beer fest reference it's like you know what i my dad he was so great nick fury that i never knew my time i it would actually to honor him i think you guys should call me nick fury even though my name's marcus johnson and i've been marcus johnson for 25 26 however many years

of my life i'm going to be nip fury jr. now. It's the junior at the end of it that's also like really infantilizing in my opinion. Yeah, yeah. It is alarming how often in comics you have been able to reference that. That one fucking scene from a movie. Yeah. It's kind of incredible.

It's come up more than once in the show and that's odd. Yes. It just keeps happening. But yeah, no, like you said, they could have done that so many other ways. and they could have just like the thing is I don't think they needed to do it at all though like Nick Fury was an established character in the comics he he had his own history and backstory and everything

there was no need to replace him to look like Samuel L Jackson and Nick Fury became a main character of a mini series or something once in a fucking Blue Moon anyway it wasn't like like we have to change like oh we have to you know we have a new captain America it's like we have a new Nick Fury. Okay. Well, if it's not, you know, Secret Warriors or whatever that book title was, then

yeah, yeah, yeah. Who cares? He's just going to show up like maybe once or twice a year, say something cryptic and then be of no help. Because that's the Nick Fury role. What if Nick Fury just did like a reverse Michael Jackson? Easy. Not even going to touch that. I mean, I've read a part of the Thunderbolts run from the late 90s and early 2000s where Mac 5 changes the color of his skin as well. So there's precedent for doing it in Marvel books, apparently. There you go, you laugh. You said it was a silly idea.

And it may still be a silly idea, sure. But they do that. But the idea they've done. Yeah. you know their fault the problem now yeah i yeah i yeah the the whole marcus johnson becomes nick fury junior thing was just again nick fury is not that important of a character in the grand scheme of things he shows up i mean as john said he has a lot of history has a lot of precedence but like it's not like he's like headlining books you know no occasionally they would do like a

secret avengers run that would last maybe 10 issues and he'd be like the main character. Yeah. Which I think is what they did with this Nick Fury character. But yeah, I mean, he, it wasn't needed. But here we are, like 15 years on. And like, the new Nick Fury basically doesn't even turn up that often anymore anyway. So what was the point?

No, in fact, it'd be a bigger deal if the old Nick Fury turns up at this point, which feels like they've done the exact opposite. they've made him somehow less relevant. Yeah. All right. So mine is in kind of in a similar vein, but a couple years ago, a friend of the show,

DJ, as Dave Meltzer would call him, Dwayne the Rock Johnson, oh, cool. Decided that he was going to try to strongarm his way into being the top dog of the DC world of movies by putting this little movie called Black Adam into production for nine years. I think we did talk about it.

From the time it was announced to the time they actually put it out, it had like nine years had passed due to all various rewrites and all sorts of other nonsense. So Black Adam is a villain of Captain Marvel or Shazam, if you will. Because sometimes DC are allowed to call him Captain Marvel and sometimes they have to call him Shazam.

I don't understand how the copyright thing with them and Marvel go, but they tend to go back and forth with it. So that's his history. He's a villain of Captain Marvel because he has the same abilities. Magic word gives him godlike powers. Cool.

Historically always been a villain. And then for whatever reason, this was the character that Dwayne Johnson latched on and said this is going to be this big deal character in the DC world a villain of Captain Marvel slash Sazam

which is so small potatoes is odd because I mean if you want to look at the history of it Captain Marvel was a really big deal back in the 1930s and 40s because he did the writers broke the mold essentially instead of introducing a kid's sidekick that the characters could relate to

they just made the main character a kid a kid who could turn into a superhero with a magic word. And sold crazy amounts of books. And sold amounts that Superman ended up cribbing some of his powers for that reason. So anyway, Dwayne decides he wants Black Adam to be a big deal. And to help promote the movie, I guess. I don't know. In the comics, Superman and Green Arrow decide to lobby the Justice League

to allow Black Adam to join the Justice League. Black Adam, who was a ruler of his own country, Condac, I believe, was sort of a dictator in a sense, ruled very sternly. We want him to be in the Justice League because we think that can help redeem him and rehabilitate him, which is a very, it's a very Superman and Green Arrow thing to do.

Green Arrow, the big Bleeding Heart Liberal and Superman, you know, the perpetual Boy Scout. But the rest of the Justice League being okay with it was weird. And they're like, cool, yeah, we'll have, we'll have, you know, Black Adam in the Justice

League, and that'll be a big deal. And again, this would be the equivalent of, let's say, the controller joins the Avengers. He's such a minor villain of note for all intents and purposes because he's a Captain Marvel villain.

But because they're putting out this movie that Dwayne Johnson wants to spearhead, then it becomes a big fucking to-do. Well, my question to that point is, was Captain Marvel ever a member of the Justice League? Yes, he was. Okay. Because it would be really awkward if... Yeah, right.

Fucking his, the guy that beats him up all the time, did it? Well, and that was another thing is that there were Captain Marvel movies at the time as well. But, uh, the Rock had made it very clear he did not want Black Adam to associate with Captain Marvel whatsoever. Cool. Even though they both have the exact same costume, Brompton's purposes with the lightning bolt on the chest and everything,

he wanted nothing to do with Captain Marvel because he viewed that that as being beneath a character he should play. so that's why like he he lobbied and got uh henry cavil to show up in the post-credit scene and the superman outfit is like oh look see big deal and then james gun got hired in and said no we're not doing any of that smart man yeah least smart in that sense we're we're we're seeing how everything else goes but um but yeah so he was in the justice league in was there for actually a good little bit of time he uh i i don't want to say he stopped being in the justice league it's just that the Justice League expanded their membership to the point that there is a it's like it's called Justice League Unlimited

that's a current Justice League comic and it's essentially like anyone who's a superhero is a member of the Justice League so most of the stories are about various characters and because there's so many other characters to be in the stories black Adams not really used that much his last big prominent role was in the death of the Justice League storyline that led up to Justice League Unlimited where all the other justices League members got shunted off to another parallel universe and he was the only one left behind. Okay. Yep. So that is Black Adam in the Justice League. It didn't really account for any, it didn't really matter. It didn't really mean much. Uh, I can't say it was successful and it certainly didn't

help the movie. Okay. Cool. Good good work. So it, it just failed in all efforts. Excellent. I know what that's like. And If I'm not mistaken, who was the writer at that time? Ryan Michael Bendis. Of course it was. Yep. Well, that took four of the West by surprise. Yep.

I just wanted to confirm. Just as a heads up, not going to be the only time you're going to hear his name come up. Okay. So that would, so Dylan, we are back, or, yeah, Dylan, we were back to you. Okay. the other one I wrote down was well one of the other ones I wrote down was Civil War II

been written if you think up with the film Civil War I guess because the comic version of Civil War was quite a big deal whether or not you liked it or not that there was a lot of

repercussions for a long time throughout the Marvel universe. And then when they made the film version of it, it was kind of loosely based on the comic version. So around about the same time, Marvel thought, why don't we have a second

Civil War? And somebody just didn't stop them. And they wrote a second Civil War, which was more confusing and less satisfactory than the first one.

but it came out around the time of the film so that they could use the phrase civil war twice in America and think this is fine don't worry about it nobody remembers you know I wasn't a fan of that because it felt really clearly like

they wrote it specifically so that they could have a tie in with civil war oh yeah and it was you know who wrote it Dylan as well John you know what I'm not so good of the names and writers and stuff like that. And it's been a long time.

I think you can guess who wrote it based on how this podcast is going right now. I think we should get Corey to guess. I want nothing more than to have a button I could press and it just like have like fireworks go off with his and like and you just see the visage of Brian Michael Bendis in fireworks. Bendis. was it him John

it was well yeah hell surprised yeah it seemed very clearly like a tie in as opposed to like a good story

the first Civil War felt like they were trying to do something the second Civil War felt like they were trying to capitalize on something and those are two different things and it was messy and silly and the first one was written in a way where you could see both arguments.

Yeah. You could understand. It was also clearly written to have one side win than argument. But you could understand why there was a civil war. And the second one was really just messy and muddy and not clear. So I didn't care much for it. So I think as well, like the first one came at a time when like it was quite novel, seeing all these heroes. clashing with each other en masse like that.

And then over the next 10 years or so, there was so many storylines where it felt like it was just like pitting the heroes against each other as much as against villains. So by the time Civil War II rolls around, it's like, yeah, we've been here, done that, seen that. It's not special anymore. I remember being on the, I remember being on the, I remember being on the, I remember being on the, I remember being on the Convick Resources message board at the time. and a lot of

that was a common complaint where it's just like at some point are they just are the hero's going to fight villains or we're just going to have them fight each other. They just keep doing it like all the time.

You're like, all right, why, why is this become a thing? Why have we turned this way? They do it with the X-Men an awful lot too where they have different teams of the X-Men clash against each other. That's true.

Yeah. So real quick, Civil War I was heavily criticized at times because it did a lot of what some people said, irreparable damage to Tony Stark and Reed Richards. Because the characters made a lot of decisions that resulted in some not really cool things happening. And a lot of like comic book readers for years were always like reading and getting like, here's their comeuppance. You know, Reed gets smacked by Sue.

You know, like Sue turns on him and joins up with Captain America's side in the midst of Civil War. You know, he loses his family for all its purpose. You know, and Iron Man gets a kick out of him quite frequently. Like, there was a period of time where if Iron Man was doing a cameo another book, he was getting, he was absolutely getting dog walked. With Civil War II, the same kind of thing happened, but it happened to Captain Marvel, like Carol Danvers. Because you mentioned that, like, you could see that they were doing sort of like a both sides kind argument with Civil War I with you know like Tony Stark has a point

but the methodology he's going with that point is not good whereas Carol Danvers just comes across as irrational the whole time because she's basically doing thought crimes. Is that not what Civil War II is? Yeah. Yeah. So it's like someone might do something bad. We got to drop the hammer on

him now. So it's a weird hypothetical that you can't like the first one had like clear like this if we keep doing this this could happen. You know But this one was like, oh, this might happen, so we better stop it. And it's a very straight and out of nowhere hypothetical to suddenly make. Well, yeah, I mean, civil war starts because of the bus explosion that kills a bunch of kids that was a result of the new warriors dicking around on a reality show against Nitro.

So, I mean, that was like, when you have like a big tragedy like that, irrational decisions you can look at and go, okay, this makes sense. you know, like, yes, Tony's reacting in a very stern way, and I would say almost hyperbolic, but also a bunch of little kids got blown up due to negligence. Like, that's fucked. Right. Like, there needs to be some sort of action, be it taken to explain,

to show that the superheroes are listening, that they're making a difference. Because something has happened, so then they can react accordingly. Whereas the Civil War II, it's a lot of like, this hasn't happened, but you have to believe that it will happen. So we have to stop it happening.

Precog said it was going to happen. So we have to make sure that we take them in now before the bad thing happens. Yeah. Minority report. Garbage. Jalbara, your thoughts on Civil War II? Yeah, I did not care for it much at all. Well, I think just the central conflict was,

kind of flawed. There's been other pre-cog characters who've been introduced in Marvel and like no one gives a shit basically. Like it's not a big deal. And yet this one character

was enough of a like, you know, like fuse to set off this big conflict. And I don't know. I just didn't buy into the ideological side of the argument. like either side of it.

So it was, yeah, it was like a bit of a hard sell for me. And when you don't have those kind of rounded stakes that, you know, make sense in a logical way, then the rest of it just kind of falls apart. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yep. John, what is your second?

So. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver two characters who have some complicated like history or should I say rights issues

in terms of the movies because technically they're mutants and so they fell under the Fox banner but also because of being in the Avengers so prominently they kind of fell under the Marvel slash Disney banner as well.

So these were characters, well, certainly Quicksilver, who, you know, appeared in both the Marvel movies and the Fox movies. So when they appeared in the Marvel movies,

it was made very clear that they weren't mutants, because they didn't at that time own any of the rights to make movies about mutants. So yeah they were basically experimented on by baron strucker using loki staff which had one of the you know infinity stones in it so blah blah blah that's how they got their powers um and then not long after in the marvel comics we discover that uh basically the entire history of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch

dating back like you know 60 years at this point they they it turns out aren't mutants after all they aren't the children of Magneto

they were basically just experimented on by the high evolutionary and that's how they got their powers so it's just a you know if it was done in a way which there was some kind of follow-up on to kind of, you know, explain it away or like create some drama

from this revelation. That would be fine. Well, maybe. They didn't even bother doing that. There was just like no kind of follow-up whatsoever. It's just, yeah, this is the new thing now. So suck it, Fox. They're not mutants anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, so by the like, quick plug, we did do a ex-history of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver where we don't touch much about the Avengers side, except we kind of do in our vain attempts to try to only talk about their X-Men history, but then realizing that you kind of had to talk about

the Avengers stuff. Anyway, there's a whole episode where you talk about the detailed history of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in our backlog, so to speak. That all being said, yeah, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are probably the most dicked around characters when it comes to their origin. They are constantly changing their mind on like, are they related to Magneto?

Are they not related to Magneto? Are they mutants? Are they something else? And like, yes, that's like the thing now. But, you know, who knows? They might change it back and be like, oh, actually, the high evolutionary was a liar. And they really are mutants. And they really are Magneto's children.

So it's, I almost don't trust them because they keep fucking around with them. And it's all recently fucking around with them as well. Like it's in the last like 20 years they've really dicked around with them the most. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Your opinion, do you prefer them being mutants and being magnetos children or are you fine with them being unrelated to them now to kind of put that wedge between their, because they've always had more of a history with the Avengers and the X-Men, say for Quicksilver's tenure with X-Factor.

I mean, like I say, if they had done anything with the revelation, maybe I could have been swayed into thinking, oh, yeah, maybe this was a good idea, but, like, there's just no good reason except to spite Fox to, you know, make this change. And it kind of, yeah, I don't know. Like, even, like, the only sort of follow-up we've had, really, is, like, after initially kind of, you know, getting over the revelation or whatever, like, Scarlet Witch and Magneto have kind of batch things up,

and they still have sort of a father-daughter bond anyway, so it hasn't really changed their relationship much. they might not be you know blood relations but they kind of act as if they are still family so again what's the point in doing this in the first place if it's not just if it's not achieving anything well then they killed her in in crocoa and then resder

and so that's you know interesting as well yeah yeah The other factor of that is they have had so many Scarlet Witch miniseries and solo series that they don't touch on it there either. Yeah. Like she's had, Steve Orlando has made his Marvel career doing nothing for writing the Scarlet Witch. And that's like the one area that they don't really seem to touch much. Aside, they did like a Scarlet Witch Quicksilver mini series. And I think they addressed like Magneto's relationship with them.

but even then it wasn't like he was still acting like their dad because like that was the whole point in the miniseries was Magneto going to be like you two are terrible for each other you bring the worst out of each other which is like what you want a parent to say to you and your sibling

like the two of you should not be close because you bring out the worst in one another yeah whenever you're like 35 you're like that's exactly what you want to hear from your father thanks dad where have you been yeah it's like oh you know Wanda you make

you know, Pietro is overprotective of you and he loses sight of his own, like, well-being because he's so fixated on making sure you're okay. And Pietro, you know, mother her to death. So the fact that she is never going to grow on her own because she's constantly being coddled by you. And it's like, you're not our real dad. Yeah, get out of here. All right. Well, there's that one.

My other one, we're going to go back to the world of D.C. and we're going to go to the CW real quick and for what six, seven seasons I want to say maybe even more. There was a show called Arrow on the CW that starred

Stephen Amel as Green Arrow and that is a show that I have a very problematic relationship with because I love Green Arrow. But that's not a Green Arrow show. It's Batman with a bow and arrow. That's there's nothing about Oliver Queen in that character at all. It's just Batman.

but that being said that show played fast and loose with a lot of DC continuity for one they made you know him in Dinah Laurel Lance because they called they they wouldn't call her Dinah they called her Laurel Lance

they made them like exes and gave her a little sister that he felt responsible for killing because they yeah whatever unnecessary to what we're going to be talking about what we are going to be talking about is the side characters the show introduced because Batman has Oracle and Batman

has a sidekick. He has a, you know, a guy that he can trust to have his back. And in the Arrow show, they introduced the characters John Diggle and Felicity Smoke. John Diggle was introduced as a sort of a bodyguard that

his parents or his mom hired to keep track of him and he was constantly at first having to evade him in order to do his green arrow activities. But then eventually brings him into the fold. And then he gets like a weird magneto like helmet for some reason. And a lot of people thought that at some point he was going to be a green lantern, but

like, no, that was never going to happen. So anyway, Diggle became a sidekick character to Ollie. And Felicity Smoke was this, you know, computer hacker genius girl that had the actress and Stephen Mell had really good chemistry. So they wrote her into being a love interest. and his main love interest through most of the show, completely leaving the Black Canary stuff behind, which again was very central to the green arrow canon and lore.

So the show played very fast and loose with the canon. So naturally, in the new 52, when they said, we're going to take all of the things that you know about these characters and just throw them off the fucking window, except for Batman and Green Lantern, we're going to make Oliver Queen Iron Man with a bow and arrow. And I was not a fan of it.

of it. I think I read two issues of the new 52 Green Arrow and dropped it. But Green Arrow is a character I can't give up. So I would, I keep checking in every now and then. And one of those times I checked in was when Andrew Christberg took over writing duties for about six issues.

So about half a year. And Andrew Christberg was one of the producers for Arrow. So what did he do? Introduced Diggle and Felicity Smoke to the Green Arrow side characters. which again, Ali had a very big established Arrow family.

There's a lot of people in Ollie's supporting cast. So to shove these two characters in and do it in a very lazy way, like Felicity Smoke was originally like a hacker that was paid by a villain to, you know, help bring down Green Arrow. But then she realized that that guy was evil. So she joins up with him instead. And then Diggle is just a,

they just made him like an old. old friend of Ollie's. And he just jumps right in and helping along with their stuff. It was very, it didn't feel natural. And after Christberg left the book, the next writers just didn't use them. And to my knowledge, Felicity Smoke has not appeared in the comic sense. And Diggle, I think, showed up for maybe a few issues a couple of years ago, but not a main character in the world.

So there you go. Felicity Smoke and John Diggle being put into Green Arrow. And then ceremoniously forgotten after the writer slash producer of the show leaves. Good. Yeah. I, um, oh, I was, I think I wasn't a fan, obviously, of them in the comics. In the show, it was fine. You know, like I said, they did have good chemistry.

And when you kind of accept the fact that this is not green arrow, it's some other guy, then you can, you can kind of take it for its merits. And on its own, it's a pretty good show. But as a green arrow show, a character who is, like, like a staunch liberal left wing big mouth unapologetic arrogant asshole Stephen Emel being a brooding growly hiding the shadows archer just didn't fit the bill there you go yeah john you watched arrow I did but I had no skin in the game when it came to the green hour as a character like I you know hadn't really encountered

mattered in much in any of the DC books I'd read. So that's how I assumed he really was in the comics for the longest time. I mean, they got the origin story right. He was, he did shipwreck on an island, had to survive on his own for a long time. He wasn't trained by Deathstroke, though, on the island. Okay. He was, he was just there by himself. See, I always assumed that Felicity and Diggle were characters that had been brought over from

comics as well, but apparently not. No, they were brand new. The other, they did introduce characters from his family into the show eventually, like Roy Harper and Mia, but ultimately the show was much more of an extended DC universe and very Batman, without Batman kind of show. Yeah. And the reason being, Warner Brothers would not let them make a Batman show. Batman, for whatever reason, there has not been a live action Batman television show.

I'm not going to say Gotham, because Gotham, he's a little kid, but a live action Batman television show since the 1960s. He shows up as a character in Titans, but I don't think you ever see him in a suit. And he shows up in the extended Arrow world when they do their crisis on Infinite Earths. he's played by who did who was he oh um Kevin Conroy plays him yeah yeah yeah puts on the

the the uh kingdom come exoskeleton because it's like oh Batman's broken his body's so broken down he has to have like support to even move yeah so they brought that in there but yeah like they cannot have a live action Batman in a suit TV show cannot happen. I did a bat woman though they certainly did they certainly did and that's one of those things

that they had an option to do something, and they certainly went for it. Basically, Dylan, the first season of Batwoman, it's Kate Kane, who is Batman's cousin, and she's a former military girl. She ends up getting kicked out of the army because she's a lesbian, and it comes out,

and, you know, gets tied up in crime fighting because reasons. And then the actress who played her, Ruby Rose, decide she doesn't want to do season two. So they have to completely recast the character. And by recast the character, I mean, could just change the character entirely. It's a different character entirely

as Batwoman the rest of the show. Choices are made. Legless to say, it didn't last very long after that. No, we only did like three seasons in comparison to like Flash and Arrow and Supergirl going on forever. Mm-hmm. That's a shit.

Yep. So Dylan, we're back to you now on the rotation. Yeah. Organic webbing. You don't like organic webbing. Interesting. I thought you were into it.

Nope. I don't like it. That was part of the charm of Spider-Man. Is that the web shooters were just like, he made that himself. I'm like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, you know, there's something sweet about that. And then the films were like, oh, we'll just come.

out of his wrist. And then the comics were like, well, we'll do that too. We'll just turn him into a big cocoon guy.

He comes out of it. And then he's a webb coming out of his wrist. So, okay, I'm going to ask a question. So obviously

the MCU Spider-Man went that route as well very recently. But very famously, Sam Ramey's did it first. Yes. Did you dislike it or like it better

between Sam Ramey or MCU or is it just I didn't like either of them? I don't like either of them. I don't. I always feel like that's a big part of Spider-Man. Like the identity, design-wise,

you know, as a character is that he has, the web shooters, and he designs himself. And it's that kind of, um, it shows him as, as kind of like a clever inventor. He's able to make this stuff himself. And then you get into cool situations, to be like, oh, he's run out of web fluid, or, you know, somebody busts his wrists and he can't, you know.

Can't use the web shooters anymore. Mm-hmm. You know, whereas if it just comes out of his wrist all the time, you're like, well, he doesn't run out. Unless he doesn't eat enough oranges or whatever, I would know. And then, and I don't know. Can I tell you, Dylan, for a split second that I thought you were being serious? I'm like, oh, okay, so the webbing is citrus? It smells lovely.

Nobody's ever been able to dissect Spider-Man to be able to. look inside him and see what it is that makes the webs. So it could be citrus. It could be the steak. I don't know. You know? And then in this new one, he kind of develops it. They say this is always

grass story. He's got a lot of stuff going on. So he's kind of mutated in a second way. The way that that mutates is that he gets a little bit more angry and he gets organic webbing. I'm like, oh, so is the organic webbing

is it not all the time? Is it only when he's angry? At the start, he can't really control it. It's just like, it just happens. And not necessarily when he's angry, but when he's, like, heightened emotions, I should say, kind of stress or whatever. So there's times when he just is doing it.

So part of the film is where he talks to the Hulk to get that little inhibitor thing. So he can not have things come out of his wrists anymore. And then he learns to live, with it and realizes that he's just human he should just accept who he is and he whatever that you know we talked about it

yeah um so I just didn't like it I don't think it's I don't like it it's one of those things like you grow up with Spider-Man for 40-something years and like that's just a really easy simple thing that everybody knows he's about Spider-Man and in the film

like I'll become ours I'm like oh cool sweet I always felt that that was a that that was an indicator that like Sam Raby was overthinking where he's like, ah, but you know, if we, if we make him organic, then we don't have to like worry about him like showing like, oh, he's obviously this brilliant inventor. Like he invents this thing. Like you would think if it's hard for money, why didn't he sell the patent to the web

slingers because web shooters because you could like, he could get money from that and, you know, be like, yeah. I feel like that was a sign of overthinking on his part where he was like, well, if we do that, then this will have to happen. He heard Toby McGuire say that. He was like, that's what I thought. It's like, why if he can invent this stuff, then why would he be a poor guy in like a poor apartment?

I'm like, okay, because have you ever like lived in the world? Like that's, have you seen the fucking show Shark Tank? Just because you invent something doesn't mean you're going to make a million points. Second of all, even if you do invent something and you sell it, wouldn't you be like, hey, you're the fucking guy that made Spider-Man's things? you're either Spider-Man or you know him or you're Spider-Man

you know you know Spider-Man you either know who Spider-Man is or you are Spider-Man because why the fuck else would you have made his web shooters you're like well that's pretty like that's a crutch

you should be riding up for too long you know because every week it's like hey it's a guy that made this you know that's more tenuous than the photographer takes photos of Spider-Man yeah because Spider-Man does stuff Warf photographer would need to take photos of them.

So that actually makes a lot of sense. Whereas if you're the guy that made Spider-Man's web shooters, you're like, oh, and what else have you made? And like, uh-huh, don't worry what to, please. I mean, these little spikers. Yeah. A lot of spider-based products. Yeah.

A lot of spider-based products, if you're into that kind of thing. But as I have mentioned numerous times, I am not Spider-Man. So stop asking, please. Now, as he gets in his Spider-Man dune buggy and rides away. Yeah. Please, I need the money because... I'm taking care of an 80-year-old woman. I need to date a lot of oranges.

There you go. John, where are your feelings on organic web shooters versus mechanical web shooters? I mean, I prefer the mechanical ones just for, you know, the same reasons as dead and really. Like the organic ones, I mean, it's just gross. as well. Like, no one needs to be thinking about him,

like, squirting stuff out of his wrists at people. Yeah. Like, geez, come on. But also, like,

with the web shooters, he shoots them out of his wrists because that's an easy way for him to control it. Yeah. It's awful coincidental that his body just so happened to produce them in an area

that it's convenient. It's not coming out of his belly button or something. Right. If it was a real spider-like power, why would it come out of his wrists which doesn't have a hole does it be terrifying if you thought about like if

all eight of a spider's legs could spin web at the same time right that's not his spider's work if you're going to be like pedantic and go blah blah blah then you're going to be like well that bit doesn't make any sense well let's take it to its logical conclusion then motherfucker yeah

no need for it to come out of it because there's no holes there why I would have come out of his what are you talking about nobody shoots anything out of his the wrist. What the fuck? And then he gets holes. Yeah. But are they there all the time? Yeah. Do they close?

Like people would think he's like a heroin addict and like those are his track marks. One specific. Like always this is, you know how your veins collapse if you shoot too much heroin? Not mine, brother. Yeah. Just do that much. This is a little bit. Just a tiny bit. Just a little bit. Half a cup. Please buy my Spider-Man invention so I can afford more heroin. Oh boy All right John

What is your next one? So rather than like a storyline Or a character Or anything like that Which crossed over to From the movies to the comics This is more

Like A prevailing sense of Not wanting to use characters Specifically because they aren't Under the Embry of Disney and Marvel. Specifically, the

X-Men and Fantastic Four, who as characters in the comics got really downplayed and didn't really have anything important happened to them for like going on a decade, really.

Like, they were just kind of brushed under the carpet a little bit. And, yeah, all because, because Marvel didn't have the rights to them, so they decided to push the inhumans and the Eternals in their place. And with the best will in the world,

no one gives shit about the inhumans or the Eternals. So it was, yeah, a tough sell. And you think, like, the Fantastic Four, especially, where I think it was after Secret Wars, that whole, like, big storyline, they basically were gone for over two and a half years in the comics. Didn't have it on running, didn't make any appearances. They were off in the multiverse, just gone.

It's like, what a waste of characters. Well, and then before that, too, they broke up the Fantastic Four when they killed Johnny, and it was Future Foundation. So there wasn't a Fantastic Four book on the shelves. It was Future Foundation, and it was the three traditional members of the Fantastic Four, and then Spider-Man. wearing a nifty little black and white outfit. Look good.

Yep. Look sharp. Look sharp. But yeah, if we ever do get to the point of making merch, I do want there to be a t-shirt for John that just says no one gives a shit about the inhumans. I think that that would be a... Because he's right. I mean, yeah. I would 100% wear it.

Yeah. I remember, well, A, that show that they tried to make was absolutely. the rubbish to begin with. It looked terrible. It looked awful. But I just remember the heart, like the cell on it. They're like, it's like Game of Thrones.

But with superheroes, it's like, no, it's not. The Inhumans aren't superheroes. They've always been these like weird creatures with superiority complexes that hang out on the moon. And they show up in the Fantastic Four every now and then. The Inhumans were not really like burn burners at any point in the comics world. Nope. And the same absolutely could be said for the Eternals,

which was just sort of like Jack Kirby's practice run before he perfected the new gods. Yeah, nobody was really clamoring for an Eternals film. No. We got it anyway. And that was sort of the hubris of Marvel as well, thinking, oh, yeah, we took the guardians of the galaxy and we made them really popular after no one really knowing who they are.

We could definitely do this with the Eternals as well. Well, they try. Yeah, that was one of those things that, like, I didn't know a single comic book fan that was like, oh, that's going to, that's going to work. Everyone was like, oh, no. They saw that big cast reveal and they're like, all these names like, oh, boy, that's a lot of characters. That has a lot of characters that nobody knows. Mm-hmm. Oh, boy.

Yeah, the Eternals. Yep. And the Inhumans. All right. Well, this is my last one. and it's just we're going to put a little bow on it and just affectionately referred to it as Aquaman commits cultural appropriation

we've talked about I've talked about this previously but after the success of I wouldn't even call it a success one of the positives that people took from Batman v. Superman Dawn of Justice was Jason Momoa's Aquaman They're like, this kind of came out of nowhere. He made this character that historically was the butt of the joke really kind of cool and interesting because he's Jason Momoa and he kind of has an effortlessness to him.

And part of that was Jason Momoa's, you know, working in a lot of his, like, very real tattoos. Not all of those are real, if I'm not mistaken, but Jason Momoa is of the Maori heritage and as such has a lot of tribal tattoos that are meaningful to his family. One of them being a big shark tooth, if I'm not mistaken. So after this, I again, ooh, I keep wanting to say success, but that's, I know better. That's not a success. I mean, it wasn't a failure. It wasn't a failure after the happening of Batman v. Superman. Kelly Sue DeKonic gets put on Aquaman.

And she ends up doing this storyline where in the midst of a rescue operation, Aquaman gets separated and shunted to a alternate world or alternate realm where he's sort of trapped on this island with amnesia. He does not know who he is. He knows he has these abilities, but that's about it. And there's all these weirdos on the island as well. And throughout the story, it's eventually discovered that all of these weirdos are forgotten gods, forgotten ocean gods.

And Aquaman ends up helping them, you know, realizes who he is and he's able to save the day and rescue all of these forgotten gods. And in order to thank him, he is gifted these magical new abilities that take the visual form of very similar to Jason M.O's tattoos all over his body. Now, mind you, Aquaman is a Caucasian man with blonde hair and blue eyes. In fact, that's what makes him. him a weirdo amongst Atlanteans because blonde hair and blue eyes makes you different, which is they kind of flipped that a little bit when they did the Aquaman movie because they made

Patrick Wilson, who was playing his brother, Orum, uh, blonde hair and blue eyes. But anyway, regardless, uh, we get Aquaman with tribal tattoos and Kelly Sudiccon, that Kelly Sudiconic run was one of those situations where it was like, it was very well written because Kelly Sudiconic is a great writer, but it was not a good Aquaman story because he was irrelevant to what she was doing. It was mainly just her writing about this island of a bunch of weird old gods on it. And like, that's an interesting, quirky little story. And Aquaman's also there. Anyway.

Yeah. So Aquaman has all these tattoos. And that's the thing about tattoos, brother, they'll come off. They're forever. They stay on you. Except if you're Aquaman, apparently. Because after a few years. after a few years, Jeremy Adams starts writing Aquaman.

He cuts off his hippie hair, so he has short hair again. And in a battle where his orange scaly shirt gets ripped open, all of his tattoos are gone. And they're never mentioned again. Weird. Cool. And so Jason Momoa's Aquaman tattoos are introduced and then subsequently forgotten, much like Felicity Smoke and John Diggle. And, uh, yeah, there you go. so they didn't even try and explain how they disappeared or anything just didn't just didn't show them again Aquaman put his shirt back on and then they came off in the wash I guess that happens it does happen

so yeah there you go now that was I think we I did three you did three John did three do you have any other ones Dylan I know you kind of have more of a shot gun approach um I mean one I had written down was that like the Avengers kind of this isn't like a criticism as much but it's kind of like the Avengers kind of like had an up and down

and weren't really like that popular until the Avengers film came out and then it was like then they were back into being the mean kind of focus in Marvel I think for a bit for like a long time it was Spider-Man and

X-Men nobody really really they give a shit about the Avengers until the film came out and then they're like, oh, the Avengers, but then they fucked it again. Because they're like, well, nobody cares about these Avengers, you know?

So, I don't know, that's just kind of synergy that I noticed. Not necessarily good or bad, but it existed. Yeah. There you go. Well, so those are things that we disliked where there are moments of

the comics changing to reflect the movies or TV shows that you actually enjoyed. I just wrote that The Guardians of Galaxy became the film version in the comics which I liked

I liked the film yes I like comics is a little differences but it was basically the same line up so so Dylan I'm going to piggyback off of you because that was actually

that was one of mine as well was I when they announced a new Guardians of the Galaxy comic book. I was like, all right, I will read it because I really liked what DNA were doing. So Dana Abnett and Andy Lannning when they were writing Marvel Cosmic. And I could see that when they announced the movie, a lot of the character choices that they chose were characters that DNA used. And also the Star Lord mask that saw in the concept art was the same one that he wore in DNA's comic as well. And I went, all right, cool. I will give it a shot. And then three words,

appeared and they were Brian Michael Bendis as he was named the writer of that book and I went fuck all right well I'll give it a go and then he was like also Iron Man's on the team now I'm like okay so Iron Man's going to be on the Guardians of the Galaxy and the first few issues of Brian Michael Bendis's Guardians of the Galaxy comic was nothing like the DNA run and it was also nothing like what was in the movie. Starlord was his original character concept from the 1970s, where he was the prince of, or his father was the king of a planet called Spartax.

His father was Jason of Spartax. And the character look was much more in line with that 70s appearance. Tony Stark slept with Gomorrah in the first issue, because of course he did. And I think, like, Rocket raccoon kept saying bang you're dead every time he shot someone because it was like trying to be quirky. And yeah, I was I was really not a big fan of it. And then they started pushing the switch to the James Gun characterizations and looks and it felt more comfortable.

And then they got Iron Man the fuck off that team and it got more comfortable. And I think they ended up switching writers at some point. Might have been Sam Humphreys, maybe Jerry Duggan. I'm not sure. but anyway, yes, that was one of those times where I was like, I, again, not a fan of Bendis, not a fan of what he's doing, and it was rectified. Cool. Yes. My other one, and it's a very short one, is just because Supergirl may have underperformed significantly in the box office, but it did give us an excuse to have a Lobo comic again.

And I've been reading Lobo. It's being written and drawn by Scotty Young. I've recommended it to you in the past, Dylan. You should absolutely check it out. it is goofy and violent in everything you should ever want from a Lobo comic. So I like that. Yep. So that's all I got to say on that one.

John, do you have any secreticity moments that you enjoyed? I do have one, which I didn't even realize was a case of the movies influence in the comics. I just assumed it was something that was in the comics all along. But apparently not. And this is the whole deal with Magneto's helmet, protecting him from, you know, like psychic attacks. Oh. That was only introduced in the first X-Men movie.

Holy shit. And then it didn't make its way into the comics until sort of 2000. 14, I want to say, when Magneto had his solo series leading up into the Axis storyline. And that was the first

in comic continuity of his helmet being effective against psychic attacks. Yeah. In the short, you're in the Ground Marsa one? Apparently, this was the very first time it happened.

I'm going to use my mathematics skills. fact check that one. What about Zorn? Yeah, wasn't the whole point of Zorn that the helmet kept the psychics from reading into his mind? Yeah. That's not his helmet. That's a different helmet.

Yeah, it's exactly. Yeah. Right. But why would he make a helmet like that? Well, my regular helmet doesn't do that. Well, because my regular helmet has my fucking face exposed. Yeah, but like, there would be some sort of still. Yeah.

You know? Also, the X-Men movie came out before that Zorn storyline did. Oh, that's true. It did. Okay, that, that's acceptable. I'm just saying, I think 2014 is, I'm going to go check the McCrown Morrison one, is what I'm saying. So, okay. So real quick, though, on that, when you mention that, I was thinking about to the animated series.

And, you know, I remember telling you, John, the joke about where people took the, the episode of the animated series and edited it so that Charles Xavier is not really, not like making Magneto think about his past, but is just has a, a, a bit of a, a bit of. ability he calls a Holocaust ray where he makes anyone think about the Holocaust. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking about that when you mentioned that. I was like, fuck, yeah, he's wearing the helmet during that scene as well. See, I was like, why did I think that? And I was like, Juggernaut. That's why.

Because Juggernaut's helmet blocked it out. Which, if you think about that as well, juggernaut historically, kind of a dumb dumb. So how was he smarter than that regard? Well, I think Juggernaut's helmet could be explained away by magic. Yeah, I thought it was just the jam that did that. Yeah. Because I remember he also, they ripped the helmet off at one point, and he had made, like, a smaller helmet underneath it.

I remember that as well. Exactly. Juggernaut, people think he's a dumb, dumb. Smart man. Smart man in there. Speaking of smart man. Speaking of smart men. And speaking, we've been talking about movies an awful lot, John.

Where are you out in your movie count so far this year? Well, it's only been a few days since last. time we recorded, not to, you know, ruin the illusion. Yeah, it's not improved that much. I'm currently on 869 movies for the year so far. That's an increase of like seven. Yeah, I think so. I haven't watched seven movies all year.

Yeah, totally fair. Oh, man. All this does is just go, like, I don't watch movies. John does, though. So John, what was the last movie you watched? It was the adaptation of 1984. Oh. There you go.

With John Hurt as Winston Smith. And what did you give it on Letterboxed? I gave it three and a half stars. It's good, but it's very depressing. And very bleak and a sadly. very relevant today as well. So, yeah. Well, I don't know if you've ever read the book, but they nailed it by the sound of it.

Oh, yes. So, John, where can they go to read your hopefully not as bleak and depressing review of 1984? I spent most of my review talking about Dolly Parton as at least, you know, yeah. Yeah, they can go to Letterbox. and find me at Big Jombowski, all one word. I have two Dolly Parton shirts. This is actually a very hard day for me. I'm not going to lie.

She's a patron saint. You had more either of them? If I wore them, I just found out she died a few hours ago, brother. If I started my day wearing them, I feel like that would have been me calling my shot. I don't think that if you wore a Dolly Parton shirt, that would have been a kid that didn't kill her. It would have been, yeah, that's bad. juju. I think you be all right.

Bajuju. Anyway, Dylan, what do you get up to you when you're not crafting black magic? You should check up on Susie and the Banskies then. Don't put that on her. Do not put that on her. Check in with him. Don't do, don't you dare. Don't you dare do that to Susie.

You brought this entire scenario up. I, I just, oh, God. if you were to lose Susie and Dolly in the same day. Just end the show. Fuck it. Well, on that note, speaking of music. You don't play any Susie of the Banshees.

I don't play any Dolly Parton. Well, maybe you should. Well, we'll see. If she does any like heavy metal stuff, I'll play it in the show. Well, she can't now. I think her last album was supposed to be a rocky album, so maybe there's some gems on there.

Yeah. But you don't know. I'm not going to listen to it, so we'll never know. Rest of peace. Tack that on. Yeah. So, every Monday night, I do a radio show on Bynchidigitalradiol.com.comte at UK, at 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock, UK times.

You can listen to it on your web risers, whatever you want, but specifically listen to it whenever I want. which is 9 o'clock. Monday night, UK time. Stream sometimes it's Spooky LaRue. On Twitch,

I animate stuff and put them on YouTube at Team Crows and I and on TikTok at Team Crow's Studio. So check that out. There you go. And as for me, I have my other show,

a large old cup, which will be coming back shortly after a small break, which if you're listening to it now, we've probably been back up and running for a little bit. There is also new number ones

on this very YouTube. channel where we grab a new number one and we matched up three categories and sometimes it's good and sometimes it's not. Dylan gave me a really fun idea for second year. So we'll definitely, I think we're going to try that out. I think it's actually a really fun idea. And also there is my other show, which I got my researcher back who they did everything I said and they broke everything up into chunks. I could start actually putting stuff together now. Opal City Archives, which is my Starman retrospective podcast, which I will be getting out shortly. I'm very excited about that one. Cool. So aside from that, I think there's nothing else we need to talk about. Like we're good.

We know it. Yeah. We certainly did. We'll see you guys later. Goodbye. Thank you. Zero minus zero is zero, by the way. It was three zeros. Well, that's coincidental. It works for us. We're three zero. Now we've got to get back on that. Come on, not Corrie. Don't, don't talk with that.