The Smark Avengers - Comic Book Monsters Unleashed! | Fin Fang Foom, Ego & More!

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

Halloween was a week ago but that doesn't stop the Smark Avengers from getting monstrous! 🎃 Corey, Dylan, and Jon dive deep into the scariest, weirdest, and most unforgettable monsters in comic book history — from Marvel’s cosmic nightmares to DC’s supernatural horrors. Whether they’re born from science, summoned from another dimension, or crawled out of ancient legends, these creatures prove that comics can be terrifying. 🧟‍♂️ This episode’s creatures include: 🐉 Fin Fang Foom — Marvel’s giant dragon of destruction 🌍 Ego the Living Planet — the world that eats back 🕳️ The Upside-Down Man — DC’s twisted lord of nightmares 🧬 Man-made horrors beyond imagination 🦴 Folklore monsters brought to life on the page Expect chaos, laughs, and a little too much monster trivia as the guys debate which of these creatures reign supreme in the spooky world of comics! 💀 Don’t forget to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and COMMENT your favorite comic book monster below! Who’s your pick for the scariest creature in comics? Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's project "Henry's Usual": https://www.tumblr.com/henrysusual Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

Well, hi everybody. Welcome to SparkFenture. This is, my name is Corey with me. He's Dylan and John. Hey, guys. How's it going? Hi. Yo.

It's a bit of a rainy day here. So it's a, the mood's a little bit vibe. It's a little mellow. So this is the week after Halloween. And much like some situations in life, you're a day late at all or short. Last, or last episode, we were just kind of, kind of treating it as like, hey, talk about whatever. And we talked about like, you know, the comic book synergy with the movies and the video games and the upcoming event in the

venom world where it seems like Hela is getting the symbiate powers or something like that. We thought this week would be a great time to talk about things we're thankful for because Thanksgiving is coming up in America. And the thing I'm thankful for is monsters. So I think it would be a great time to just kind of talk about. about monsters that we like. That's not like a fair idea? Sure? Yeah, why not?

So I know, Dylan, if you want to jump right into it, when we first kind of brought this idea up, you asked me for like, what's the definition of a monster, essentially? And I said pretty much like giant beasts, interdimensional threats, aliens, that kind of thing. Right, because I feel like your idea of a, of a monster is like a, like a Kaiji.

Like a Godzilla. Yeah. You know, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a predator X. That one, that one seemed to flip you by. Yeah, I was starting to do I remember Predator X. I have a hard time remembering that one. John, do you remember Predator X? Wasn't it like a monster that hunted mutants or something?

Correct. I think Gail Simone introduced something similar. to that in her current run, but they're sentinel dogs. So they're like dogs, but they're sentinels. You should, you should Google a picture of Predator X just so that you know what it looks like

and that... I swear to God, Dylan, if the picture of Donald Trump comes up. I mean, he's a kind of predator. He's a king predator. Mm-hmm. Predator X Marvel. Sheesh. I agree. It's a pretty...

But I assume. assume this falls under. Yeah, it fit. I mean, it looks like it's a dinosaur made out of adamantium. Yes. That was the point. It was supposed to be this really

unstoppable beast that kills and eats mutants. Jeez. When you think about it, it's a much more efficient way of doing things than sentinels. You think about how much metal it would take to make loads and loads of sentinels,

like they're giant fucking, you know, a million feet, tall so many and then to make them like program them with like you know artificial intelligence i'd just make it a laser that it's the cost is just ridiculous why not just make a big monster that eats them so this was in problem solve so this was in new x-men 2007 when he debuted new x-men was the uh the kid x-men book of the 2000s so it was like pixie x-23 prodigy Hellian, et cetera. Christopher Yost and Craig Kyle.

Makes sense. Paco Medina design. Makes sense. I'm looking at his abilities, and it's a lot. Hmm. He can manipulate the speed for it? He seemingly can. Superhuman strength, speed, agility, reflexes, stamina, assences, and durability.

That's like kind of grouped into one ability. Razor, sharp claws, and teeth, which is apparent. toxic saliva Christ Regenerative healing Armored biometallic skin X gene detection genetic assimilation and adaptation

So it's kind of It almost sounds like Predator Axis a little like Doomsday in the sense that like He just constantly evolving to just deal with whatever gets thrown at him Yeah I think they did kill him at some point But the idea was that it was supposed to be this unstoppable mutant killing machine. Well, there are multiple ones.

I recall there in Game 1. I don't remember the being lost. The last entry I see is a sixth Predator X operates in New York City before being killed by Phantom X. So they have at least six of them. Wow, how did Phantom X kill them? Because they had a lot of trouble killing that fucking thing. I don't think he'd just kill him just for being cool Like that's

It's difficult Yeah It's just me, Phathomax and the guy Attack and dies Cool guy Phantom X He is well he was cool He used to be cool So this looks like the first Predator X

Was killed by Wolverine That's the one I think I'm thinking of I don't know if I remember there being multiple I definitely remember one of them being killed by Wolverine ring. Because I was in Messiah Complex. Was that it?

Yeah. Or was it? The one before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the entry I'm looking at mentions Messiah Complex. Okay.

That's what I remember him from. I remember some lovely artwork of his beautiful face. Does he destroy mutants and chomp them? Keep him a little chomp, you know?

Oh. Yeah, no, I would say that Predator X classifies as a monster. cool so i remember him being pretty horrific you know uh you can stick up stick a picture of him up on the screen for the the youtube book so that they don't have to go all the way to google look at a picture predator axes i'll probably like that i'll uh what i'll do is i'll remove the i'll remove the video portion while we're talking about it and throw it up there and then we'll return to the video

Maybe like how... Have all of the monsters that we talk about just pop up on the screen, like, really small, and just, like, dance around the screen while we're talking. I'll make them, like, dancing gifts, like, the dancing baby. Like, they're, like, a screensaver. Like, they just bounce around the screen. And as we keep talking about, the more and more monsters turn on the screen until it's really hard to see us at all, and it's just, like, loads of monsters behind it around.

You know? That's easy to do, I think. That's probably easy to add it. Yep. right yeah John what do you want them to do what about if they made football together yeah can we

get all the monsters and split them into two teams and you have to make sure to designate one of the monsters on these teams as to the goalie so that we know we're talking we're talking proper football we're not talking American football well there has been a lot of games in your country or at least John's country in the last few weeks

so it could very well have been both. Yeah, but we call it a America football. The Rams, the Los Angeles Rams and Tony Collins Jacksonville Jackwires were just there playing earlier this morning. Two-one. Not the Jaguars. When I looked at the score last, it was 21 to 0. So they weren't going their way.

It wouldn't go in their way. That's American football talk. You know what they need. What they need? They need a fish. So PredatorX is over on this side. There he is. We're going shirts and skins.

So one team will be wearing shirts. Yeah. Well, I would assume Predator X's skins because I don't think a shirt would fit that boy. I think I think the shirt would be shredded off the second you tried to put it on. Yeah, I don't think that's going to work. Or he sweats acid because he generates acid. It doesn't necessarily have to be in the spit, I don't think. I'm sure there are a lot of football players generate.

and they get along just fine. You can quote me on that. I'm pretty sure that's a fact. I don't watch football, John. Tell me if that's true or not. But I believe that to the case. I am pretty sure you're accurate with that. Two people have said it, therefore,

must be true. Put up the tree counter. Put a tree counter in the corner as well. I don't want to clutter the screen up too much, but it's getting a little busy, but I think we can make it work. the lie quarter like died of this quarter yeah there you go

uh and then lies and then the other two will keep them free for now because I'm sure I'll come up with something later in the careers all right well I like how this shaping up really well all right well that was Predator X

so John do you have a a giant monster that you feel needs to get their credit preferably won't the point of shirt so we can put them on the other side of the screen yeah

well I was going to say umfang foo who's like an alien dragon basically who ended up in China like back in the 8th century

and then yeah basically he's been around for that time and he just likes to mask it up and he wears like uh... purple shorts some massive pants yeah so

that's pink fanfoo put him over here so would you want him in goal I would put him in goal right I reckon he'd be a pretty good goalie yeah yeah because he's really vague like get the ball past him

or would he be better like as like a striker because he could like, like, zip down in the, the feel like pretty, you know, he cover a lot of grind. He's got some pretty big hands, so, like, that would make him a really good goalkeeper. Mm, okay, okay. I take it. Okay, so put him here. I'm looking at, uh, information about Fing, Fang Fum, uh, because you feel like, you feel like he doesn't get used enough. But surprisingly, he's been used quite a bit.

I remember when we were watching that, Dylan, you may not necessarily remember, but we were watching the Iron Man cartoon, and Fing Bang Fume showed up and, like, beat the shit out of Iron Man, and they didn't come back. Which was bizarre and interesting to say the least. Yeah.

He also appeared in Iron Man Armored Adventures in a two-part episode called Tales of Suspense. He appeared on the superhero Super Squad show he appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man, the episode of the Avenging Spider-Man. He appeared in Avengers Asimble

and Hulk and the agents of Smash and Guardians of the Galaxy's television series and Marvel Disc Wars The Avengers and also in the Modoc television show where he runs a restaurant called Fing Fang Farm to Table. I don't like it. Yeah, that Modoc. That Modoc show, not many people

talked about it. Did you watch it? I know that it was on Hulu. That's about all I know about it. And that Patton Oswald was in it and that was enough of a deterrent for me. You don't like Pat and Oswald? Don't care for him.

I feel like he sees himself as like the gatekeeper for nerdy things and that just makes him insufferable to me for some reason. You could say he's a bit of a monster. Put him up here. On the counter. He's got a shirt. Put him over there.

Is he midfield working like right wing? What position is he on the field? I would put him as a defender. I don't imagine him running around too much. Don't look like he gets that much. Yeah, I'd say defenders, well. Yeah. I saw a high.

He wears a shirt. Okay. I saw a highlight reel of Vinnie Jones's playing days recently, and that man was a menace. It was kind of impressive. Oh, yeah. Was a menace? Still, still this. It was just nothing but a highlight reel of him.

just like drop kicking people in the shins it was impressive I'm like man dear God people didn't need to fake an injury it's a different era certainly a different time it certainly was Christ he played the juggernaut put him on the board yeah wait is the joggerna on a monster I mean juggerna car is a monster I mean the being that gives the jargonaut his abilities is a interdimensional demonic entity right So could we put him on the screen? Yeah. It's just this from this point, the episode on,

it's just going to be like just a picture of Vinny Jones the rest of the episode. As the juggernaut. No, just him. So it'll be on the screen at some point. So we're going to talk about some more monsters. I think the one that I want to bring up because you mixed up, you brought up Fing Fing Fum who's like a Chinese dragon. by appearance, but is actually an alien.

I want to bring up, um, I want to bring up egg foe, uh, which was a very problematic DC Comics villain that they have tried to make, not problematic. You'll see, you'll see. You'll, you'll see why he was problematic.

Yeah, see, yeah, John found out. DC. Yep, egg food, DC. Wait, wait, wait, wait, I think we talked about this guy before, didn't we? We might have brought a bag food in the past. He's a giant Sincian egg.

You can see that some of these pictures are very not cool, and then they've obviously very clearly tried to redesign him. Mm-hmm. Yes. Where they're like, oh, no, it's just a big creepy egg from no particular

country at all. Yep, yep, yeah. So, egg food first showed up in Wonder Woman in 1965. He was the first villain to get a multi-issue arc. So they were like, this is the one

that we're really going to dive into storytelling on. So, yeah, early appearances, the character was a yellow peril ethnic stereotype complete with caricatured Asian facial features and a strong Chinese accent. Later appearances of the character maintained his Asian ethnicity

while de-emphasizing his historically racialized characterization and removing overt associations with Chinese culture and language. Yeah. Yeah. The language is a bit much. Like, you don't,

you don't gotta do the accent in the comics. You don't need for that. You really shouldn't. But it just, it's, it's, you know, boy, he's creepy as fuck to look at now. Yeah, it's scary. Like, that's a scary egg.

His eggs go. That's one of the scary thing I've ever seen. Can I tell you that if you played DC Lego supervillains, you could unlock Egg Fu. And it was a giant, It was amazing. I enjoyed the Lego DC supervillains, but yes, I just like that they felt the need to include egg foo and made him the giant creepy egg and not the racialized stereotype.

That would be a bit much for kids. Wonder Woman's got some weird fucking villains because I think what most people associate her with are like either the Greek Pantheon. Because the Greek gods are all fuckers. Like, that's long established. In their own mythology, they're fuckers. And also, like, cheetah, right? Everyone's like, yeah, cheetah. You know, she's a cheetah.

She's got some weird fucking villains, though, aside from that. Like, there's Dr. Psycho, who's, like, quite literally a short man with an inferiority complex who hates women. So he's, like, an incel. And fucking the blue snowman is probably one of my favorite ones. yeah what is that his name the blue snowman yeah and it's a woman in a robot suit

by the way it's not even a man that's not even a man blue snowman is I assume gonna come up when we do a Christmas theme episode I was actually going to say that remember when we did my the Aquaman villain episode

where I was like here's some weird ass aquaman villains I kind of want to do the same the Wonder Woman so Dylan do you got another giant monster that you'd like to bring to everyone's attention.

Well, this is where I wanted to get your definition of monster, right? Because obviously you mean monster in, like, the example of Predator X and that's a weird looking fucking

Yeah. Yeah. Then I'm like, well, you know, if you look at a big talking giant egg, is Modoc a monster? Because look at him, he's as close to an egg as you can get. you know he's a weird looking

is that kind and then I was like well what if like the character itself isn't like 70 feet tall and she's lasers out of its eyes but is like kind of monstrous in appearance and demeanor

okay is that kind sure right I think so whenever I whenever you said this like this is a character I thought of immediately and then I thought No, Corey probably means like Godzilla.

But who we can definitely put somewhere. It's a free rein where you want to put Godzilla. He can just kind of come and go as he pleases. He just comes in from one. Gives a thumbs up and then goes away again. I don't know if he has thumbs. I haven't lost the film. But I was thinking of,

there's a character we haven't really talked about on the show, I don't think. and I would like to talk about him at some point and more detail when we get a chance. Okay. I was thinking of a Spider-Man villain called Vermin. Because I think Vermin

in like, he's quite like a horrific kind of character. You know, he's just, he's, he does look a little bit like what you would get if you mix a human and a rat together. He's quite feral.

You know, he's got like he's very vicious he's the kind of guy you wouldn't want to meet ever in your life daytime or night time you don't want to come across

Berman I feel like he's kind of like a horrific monster-esque character he's got limited vocabulary possibly because he's limited intelligence and monsters typically have

very limited vocabulary he's not a big Hulk and Kaiji but I would say he's a scary scary beast yeah I mean then are we we also have to put like Killer Croc and like

Manbat and like Orca and stuff up for debate as well because they're also like monstrous in that degree I agree like wouldn't you look at Killer Croc and go that's if you saw that walking out of the sewer you go

that's a fucking monster right there well most of it yeah yeah I mean it's weird because as we've talked about Croc before because you pointed out it's funny that like he went from like guy with a skin condition to like cannibal who looks like a crocodile complete with tail but like when you look at you don't go that's a man that's also a crocodile when you see the lizard you don't go that's a dude that is has a tail you look at that go that's a freaky lizard monster thing I don't know is he wearing a slap coat with his purple pants and black shirt like he did in the cartoon

well I think fan food wore pants so he's on the board yeah you know he's also like part of a sentient race of dragon people so right but what if you saw the lizard

you wouldn't know his backstory you'd be like what the fuck is that I think that's Kurt Conner I've seen that man before I think I took him for biology in junior year I actually would be scared I would be more scared of a lizard creature

a lab coat on so I'm like he's a doctor Somebody gave him a medical practice. That's the smartest of a lizard people. I gotta get out of here, dude. I don't want to get that. You know, I'll fight the dumb one. I don't want to fight the smart lizard guy.

He's going to be hard to be. He's going to be hard to be. He's a debt for medical school. Yeah, he's pissed. He's mad. He's not happy. He's real fucking pissed. So I would get the hell.

I would definitely say that man is a monster. I'm happy to put Berman and the lizard on this list. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's fine. We could definitely, like, so when you get into, like, the people who are, like, deformed monster people, I think that's fine. It's not exactly the first thing I was thinking, because, of course, I was thinking, like, God, it's giant kaiju's stuff.

But, yeah, of course, they, they're monstrous. What I wanted to do, I wanted to give, like, a mention of vermin. Okay. And obviously, the lizard is. Because I have another great, I have a great closer that I think will go down very well. That is more akin to what you're, you're talking about. but I really love Vermin as a character

and I feel like as I would imagine because I'm not super up to date with a lot of recent Spider-Man stories but I would imagine with every character that I enjoy they probably brought it back and fucked him up

significantly since the last time I was reading the comics but it used to be whenever you read a Vermin story it was really really good and really impactful because he was one of the

few like really low like street level guys really like beat the shit out of spider man it was really it was really um because he was in craven's last haunting stuff like um real like PDSD about fighting vermin and i loved that that that you would have somebody that isn't like a you know and again to go back to all the shit we're talking about with spider man recently doesn't have to be a big galactic threat or some sort of interdimensional wizard or whatever sometimes it's just a rat boy that just is the scariest thing of all um again by that point spider man had seen all sorts of shit he had seen the lizard a billion times and all this other stuff and it's it's it says a lot about the human condition where a character like vermin could can just be like so what's vermin's

deal is he a dude that got turned into a rat man is he a rat that got like evolved into a human Like, what's his deal? I believe it was a man that got turned into some kind of rat-like character, right? I don't actually know his backstory. I did. I have forgotten it. But, like, I think that he was a guy that could turn into some kind of rat monster. We can, we'll go into more research whenever we do the Vermon episode, which should be any day now.

That's the Christmas one. We'll talk about Vermin. here's a fucking rat dude you know well i mean everybody's favorite character everybody christmas carol was rizzo the rat so there you go it was great but he also didn't try to eat spider-monds so that we know of cut that out of the film because they're like this is we didn't have the rights to spider-mon he's stepping on sir michael canes toes on this one

uh i was gonna talk about well you know how in the movies one of probably the best like monsters in the history of movies is the xenomorph from the alien franchise

it's terrifying and Marvel basically have their own rip-off version of the xenomorph in the brood so yeah that was going to be my next choice because again they're like an alien race

not like you know a monster that's been made or cursed or whatever, but they're still very monstrous and you know the way they kind of swarm on people and

kind of you know, like lay eggs in people and stuff like that and like that. Yeah, it's gross as shit. Yeah. Prud. It is. It's gross. Definitely an element of horror there.

So, if I could ask you, what do you think about, what did you think of when they introduced brew the intelligent, like, little boy brood creature that was a mutant from his people because he gave him, like, he was like psychically connected to them and he gave him a degree of intelligence. Like, what did you think of brew? It wasn't Bruce deal that, I thought his deal was that he wasn't part of the hive mind, which. which is why he was able to kind of, you know, strike out on his own and... I think originally it was, but I think he ended up taking control of the hive. Like, I think there was an invasion of the brood. Yeah, and he took over the hive. Because there was like a recent storyline in, it was probably Jerry Duggan's X-Men,

where a lot of people didn't really care for it because basically Corsair was impregnated by the brood. and Cyclops led a team into space to go after the brood and Cyclops was like fucking nuclear option just wipe them out man tired of fucking dealing with these things and Gene Gray got really mad at him saying like you sound like you're advocating for like genocide against these people because you don't like them

and Cyclops is like well yeah kind of because they're kind of a race of monstrous you know mass murdering you know creatures that only kill yeah it's not exactly the same thing Gene exactly

I thought brew was like a nice you know like break from the brood like you know deal like he was his own character because he is completely different from

the rest of the brood as well they kind of set him out and set him apart and you know there's lots of stuff you could do with that he was one of the focal points of uh wolver the wolverine of the x-men series with uh by jason aaron right he was like one of the new scenes he was like him and like kid gladiator and stuff yeah what was his power what could he do uh they i think they classified him misdemeanor powers this much yeah i think just because of his

intelligence maybe that set him apart and was like his you know what made him a mutant compared to the rest of his people so um going back to talking about big old monsters and such um i don't know if you want to count him but every time i think about him i think it's legitimately fucking frightening ego the living planet like I know that when you know like he was in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie and I think that's gonna forever kind of like taint how people view him but like I I just remember like getting the mental image of like reading the comic and like putting myself in that perspective of like you're in a spaceship you look out and you see this planet and then all of a sudden it turns and fucking looks at you that's fucking frightening that is just legitimately like so surreal it would be terrifying talking to you. You're like, okay. Oh, I don't think planet should be talking to me. I don't think that's... The first time I saw Ego the Living Planet, I was, uh, it was in, like,

the Marvel Encyclopedia. And I just remember, like, flipping through the pages and reading all the entries going, this looks fucked. It absolutely does. Jesus Christ. That's, that's the thing that's fucked, like, all the other grim-looking weird shit fucking this is like the 1980s Marvel Encyclopedia there wasn't too much there's a lot of very flamboyant people wearing

like Captain Bucking ear boots you know like Dominic Fortune and shit but like ego the living planet to your god he's an odd looking dude probably really lonely you know like

what is that good what does he do for fun you know just kind of hangs around right he can't go He can't go kite surfing, you know? He doesn't know what that is.

No. He's just a big planet in space. And then he sees people and they try to kill him. And they like, well, this sucks. I feel like they were getting to a rude point in comics when they were creating villains. And they were like, well, like, who's Thor going to fight? Ah, fuck it, a planet. A whole ass planet.

Yeah. Big planet with a face, you know. Yeah. Well, then in that, in a smaller being, you could say like Krakowa. The island, yeah. It's a monster. Maybe Krakawa is a monster. Yeah, because it's a fucking...

Santhi, it's fucking island or whatever. Like, that would be weird. How does that work? You know? He's X-Man or whatever. Like, what does it eat? I mean, he seemed to eat X-Men. But he didn't eat the X-Men.

Remember? He was devouring the energy or something or the powers, I don't know. I don't know. It wasn't like he was, he didn't like form a mouth and start doing them up or whatever. Which would have been cool.

Yeah. It will in our X-Men bug. Believed to be the result of nuclear experiments in the Pacific Ocean, it grew up a thing called Krakawa. Wait, but Krokoa was supposed to be around for like thousands of years, wasn't it? Yeah. Well, this is the original Krakawa, the Living Island. Okay.

It says, origin believed to be the result of nuclear experiments in the Pacific Ocean. They were sent, the X-Men were sent to investigate a powerful mutant signal on a remote island, which turned up to be Krokoa. Pretty powerful. Polaris was able to demagnetize the planet and send it into space. or is presumed dead. I love the idea of we can just say, I'm just going to demagnetize the planet. Listen, we know how...

And that's going to send an island. We didn't know how science worked. But we still don't. We still don't. Right? None of us know it science works. It's been real, Corey. Science isn't real.

Yeah. Where you've been? Science. Of course I know that. What science is about? Actually, no good. good. Get them out of here. Get them out. I don't know. Get that shit.

Don't eat it. It's all about cooking your food and beef. That's what's going to make it better for you. Hey, Wato. Makes it delicious. We don't have enough red meat in our diet. That's the problem. In beef, delicious.

You know? It's a bovril. Oh, I've heard lovely things about bovrole. John, have you ever had bovril? I don't think so, no. I have a spot above in the morning. I used to work with a girl. I used to work with a girl, and she really excitedly, we came up to some.

She's like, I want some beef juice. And we were like, I mean, she's not wrong. Yes, absolutely. What are you talking about? She's like, you've got to try this beef juice. It's fucking awesome. And she came back with like things of barbed. I'm like, oh, okay, that makes sense.

Yeah, give me some, give me some beef juice. So I had some. It's not bad. No. The problem is you get it in like a big carton or whatever you have a couple of drinks like

yeah it's not bad then you like I've still got this much Bobberal left like ah it's too much yeah you have a couple of drinks it's fine a whole fucking thing you're like I can't drink this yeah it's like drinking beef stock essentially yeah my heart can't take this

no it's a lot it's a lot it's rich yeah but but if you share it around to the party if you share some beef juice just passes a bob around of the party. That's a little bit of beef juice around, you know, a couple of boys having some beef juice.

Some bob for the boys. It's not weird with that. It's not a normal thing that people do, you know. Anyway, what the fuck we talk about? I don't know how we got. I mean, if you think about it, so what Kirkoh was doing was it was cashing the mutants and absorbing their energy,

he was enjoying some mutant bovril. Yes, beef juice. Okay, we're on board. Rob and we're back to where we needed to be. Mm. Yes. Which is... You got other...

Any other monsters you want to talk about, Dylan? I do. This one's hard to describe. I need to find his proper name. Okay? Because I remember his, like... There's two names for him, so I have to look it up. I wrote down one of the names like a fucking idiot.

Didn't write the other one down. Because I'm that kind of intelligent person. Which I'm sure we've been able to figure out. by now I. So this, I read this in a Spider-Man comic a long time ago.

It's a character called, I don't know if I'm going to be able to pronounce this name correctly, so I'm just going to like spell it. Okay. And you guys can look. C-H-T-Y L-O-K. Okay?

Hell, okay. Just look. Yeah, yeah. It's a tough one. Oh my God. You see that guy? I see that guy. It's pretty hot, right?

Like a weird chicken. Yeah. Would you see what his nickname is? No, let me go to his nickname. The chicken cow? This is what I remember. Chicken cow. The chicken cow.

The one thing I remember, it was a storyline and it's Spider-Man, and I think the Hulk, they went to the Savage Land, and they find Khazar. and his girl what's his girl's name Shira?

Chana? Chana. Chana. Chana, I think. And they are trying to fight Roxen who have established a big

oil drilling thing in the middle of Saviv's land. While all this shit's happening like a different part of the Antarctica or wherever the Hulk is just fighting this fucking weird bird thing so at some point

they just like beat the shit of each other so much that they end up rolling over into Spider-Man and and Khazar's like space and the people of the Savage Land are like that's it that's the chicken cow

and Spider-Man goes chicken cow and that's so he fucking dick I remember from that whole story quietly go in chicken card

so that's when I remember that I was like that's a big monster I'm gonna write up with that I had to Google chicken cart and find this fucking thing I saw that in one of his most recent appearances he was a background gag

where a character was working at a fast food restaurant that he was the mascot on because everything in the restaurant was themed to either be chicken or beef scattered because he's a chicken guy I didn't know they brought him back I suspect that was probably

the extent of his That was the extent that I could see That is about right Yeah He did He beat up the Hulk And then was a mascot Of a fast food joint

It's, you know All you could hope for really Here you go Yeah So He's just a big chicken Looka thing He's beat up the Hulk for a bit

But he's weird He's a big monster Right You saw You saw him. Mm-hmm. He's a big, weird monster. So I thought I'd bring chicken coy.

Also, when the fuck else are we going to be able to talk about the chicken coy? That's true. Never. This is it. I imagine this is going to be the extent of the conversation. So, a little shout out, you can put him over here. There we go.

I would like to bring up one that's kind of creepy. This is a character that showed up in the Justice League Dark series, the upside down man if you want to take a quick gander at the upside down man do I is he a big fucking egg well he looks like he could have come from one I don't know what that's so is a good

Oh Corey Yeah yep yep yep yeah yeah I believe this is James Tending in the fourth He's a comic book writer he is a horror writer He enjoys writing horror comics Uh the upside down man on one of the other kind, all powerful beings of horror and reflections of all dark and twisted possibilities of magic. Upside down man was formed when creation gave birth to magic.

The magic in its raw form eventually turned into a bright light that formed Hakade, the first to magic being. As she was formed from the light, the upside down man was formed from the darkness in the other place. Frightened by his presence, Hakkate created a barrier to hide the upside down man away, not wanting her beautiful realm to be tainted by horror. so he could basically just do fucking everything because magic and he was a he was a major villain in the world of Justice League dark you say he can do pretty much everything

but I have a question he looks like he spends most of his time just hanging upside down does this mean he can't go outside because there's nothing for him to hang upside down from? I mean, he hides the way in the dark, so he probably does not go out into the light unless he absolutely has to.

He doesn't have eyes either. Yeah, also, when you say he can do pretty much anything. I mean, it's magic. Skateboard? I don't know. He can play some Tony Hawk's Bruce. I have a truck. You know?

Kite surf? The second time I've talked about people kitesurfing today. I'm not sponsored by a kite surfing business or anything like that. It's just a really fun way to entertain your friends, your family. It's a great time for everybody, any occasion. Really, kite surfing. Think about it. Big advert for kite surfing in my box now.

It takes over the whole screen. Kite surfing, you know. Regular surfing. I think if he was outside, he could have. off a tree like a bat, couldn't he? Probably. Yeah, but he'd be stuck on that tree, though. Yeah, how does he move?

Not well. Not the saddest fact, yes. He does move, right? He does move, yes. But, yeah, I mean, he's a being of, he's a being of magical energy. He's massive and able to, like, warp shit around. But, yeah, by the way, I do find a picture of him outside. he's just hovering upside down.

Huh. Well, he can do everything. Get a picture of him skateboarding. Would the skateboard be underneath his head? Or would the skateboard be like a, you know, where his, because he's upside down,

you know? Yeah. I imagine it would be up by his feet. And it would be like when somebody would use a code in Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, where they'd just be, like, stuck in the air. Yeah. And they're just doing.

spins and like do grabs different like board flips to like rack up as many points as they can. Yeah. He seems like the type, does it? He does. He has moon gravity. Yeah. He would totally do that. He wouldn't play it properly.

They fucking cheat. I said to his face, though. They don't know where his face would be. There's a bottom. There's another character that looks kind of similar to the degree. There's this period of time where like, the most, the scariest thing at DC Comics you could have is a bald head. For some reason, Scott Snyder and James Taney and the 4th were terrified of pale, bald people,

which I find offensive to my people. But, um, like, there was also Mr. Bloom, who was supposed to be the, quote, anti-joker. And also the ten-eyed man when they redesigned how he looked and did his business. also creepy and whatnot. He was also a user of magic because he pulled a man's, it was either a man or a woman's

like mandible out of their face without like breaking the skin. It was just sort of like, and now I have your jawbone. That's a fun trick to do at parties. Even Blaine you can do that. He usually just pull people's jaw though, remember? People like, ah,

you know. Yeah, we couldn't make any noise. He couldn't talk. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, Scott Snyder is a, he's a tricky guy for me. Like I said, I really like a lot of his ideas. I just don't know if he knows how to finish them. And I think Mr. Bloom is another great example of that.

The idea of an anti-joker is interesting on paper, but I think the execution didn't work. Isn't the anti-joker just like a fucking regular dude? It's basically just like a guy who is like, kind of a wild card, but he's not violent and chaotic. Like, he's very orderly. He's, like, organized and shit. So, yeah.

John, it sounds like you've read that particular storyline. Yes, but I don't really remember a whole lot about Mr. Bloom, to be honest. Other than the fact you was sort of creepy looking and had weirdly proportioned limbs and stuff. and a flower on his face. Yep, big flower on the face. That was a lot of the characters that those guys were making at the time. Remember James Taney and the 4th,

kept cranking out like original characters that were supposed to be iconic and then he left the Batman line shortly after getting in full control of it? Because he created Miracle Molly, who was supposed to be this like hacker. He created Clown Hunter, which was supposed to be a big character,

which is this like teenage kid. who the Joker killed his parents, so now he goes out with the sole extent of trying to kill clowns. I feel like we talked to a clown hunter. We have talked about Cloud Hunter because it's absurd. Ghost Whisperer, who is another guy who was training to basically be Batman alongside Bruce Wayne, but he doesn't have the don't kill moral complex. And punchline, of course, the new Harley Quinn that didn't really replace the old Harley Quinn. so they just introduced all these characters and just didn't fucking really do much of anything of note with them

it's hard writing new characters yeah it's almost like you shouldn't if you're working in like the big two i probably wouldn't i would save that for my own shit so you're not like an you're not like an ed brewbaker who you know like oh i basically reinvented bucky barns and i don't get a fucking dime from it yeah that's a shame real shame. What are you going to do? Turn him into a big egg. That's what I would do.

Yeah, giant egg. Just a big old egg. An egg from like no specific country. Just a regular egg. I would make him from Scotland. Scotch egg. You're going to get offended about that?

He'll be such a snowfllow. Not offended. Way boy. Let me shoot you. Oh dear. All right. That's how you wanted to go? Yeah, that's exactly where it needed to be.

Don, do you have any other monsters you want to bring up for discussion? I mean, I'd say the Wendigo is a pretty good monster. It's not like one specific person, but just like this curse that keeps getting passed around. I think it's basically if anyone in specifically the Canadian wilderness eats like human flesh and they're going to get

cursed into being turned into this rampaging beast. That is actually I mean that is a that is a urban legend slash cryptozoology like thing though like the Windigo legend is like a thing so I mean it's cool

they took something that, you know, was kind of an established thing and decided to make, like, real and threatening. Yeah, yeah. They've been doing some interesting things with it. I mean, we talked about how in the Age of Revelation, the Last Wolverine or the Savage Wolverine or whatever they're calling it is Kevin, who is a windigo that Wolverine has been, like, taken under his wing because he, like, retained his empathy and his intelligence. So there is a heroic windigo now in the X-Men world. uh nobody can be a fucking villain anymore everybody's a fucking hero ridiculous well do we have any other monsters that you would like to bring up before we wrap it up uh you could say like the symbiots are kind of yeah monsters you know they have a monstrous

appearance i was going to say carnage but then i guess you have to say venom because like you know the big teeth and the oh yeah giant tongue flaws. Yeah, like they, yeah, exactly. Like, they started off as this, like, really monstrous kind of gimmick. I, you know, I don't want to talk about sim beats too much because we talked about them a lot last time. And, you know, I have a lot to say about them. But, yeah, I feel like they would be good monsters, right? I would agree. That's it. There we go. All right. Well, we go ahead and call it there. So that was our post-Hallowing discussion about monsters. that was completely topical.

And, you know, on pace for us here at the Smart Avengers. John, have you been watching any monster movies? Um, no. What? It's scary. What's the scariest thing? I've got lots on my watch list. What's the scariest thing you've watched recently?

Uh, geez. I haven't really watched anything horror-related. Mrs. Doubtfire. District 9 had a bit of body horror in it. Because of the main character basically been turned into one of the, like, alien creatures. So, yeah, that's about it. Yeah, who doesn't love an anecdote about apartheid era, South Africa? Yeah.

Not a single person. Everybody loves it. Everybody loves. So, John, if they, how many movies are you at for the year, though, currently? I am currently on 925. Oh yeah, you're breaking a thousand. Easy. Easy.

Easy. So, John, where can they go see more about what you have watched and your thoughts on these things? They can head to letterbox, and they can find me at Big John Bowski, all one word. and Dylan, what do you get up to during the week these days? Well, when I'm not podcasting, I do a radio show every Monday night

on Bynes Digital Radio.com. UK. You can listen at 9 o'clock, UK time. I play all sorts of cool music that everybody likes. A lot of cool music that you don't like because you have never heard it before,

but I'll play it. And you'll go, well, that's a good song. That guy knows. he's talking about. I do. So I got a weird question I asked you to before you get too far.

I don't think we've ever asked this before. Does your radio show have a name? No. Okay, fair enough. Nobody asked me for us. I didn't give one. You know. Like, everybody's on the station as like a

name for their show. So they have like little stings of bumpers and stuff. The play during the nobody asked me for any of this shit. What? Nobody said on that word? Like nobody came up to me.

was like, what the fuck? This is my advert. I advertise it on the streets. I advertise it to people. I don't need radio or whatever like that, you know. And sometimes I stream on Twitch at Spook of the Rue of me drawn pictures of SpongeBob, whatever the fuck. And that's it. There you go.

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