The Smark Avengers - From Peacemaker to Doomsday: The Future of Marvel & DC Movies

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

Superhero fatigue or just bad storytelling? 🎬 In this episode of The Smark Avengers, Corey and Jon dive deep into the state of comic book movies — from Marvel’s shaky future to James Gunn’s ambitious plans for the DCU. 💥 Topics include: Why Marvel’s Doomsday could be the studio’s make-or-break moment James Gunn’s bold choices for DC’s cinematic reboot Peacemaker Season 2’s finale and what it means for the new DCU The rumored Warner Bros. sale and its ripple effect on DC films How older movies trusted their audiences more than today’s blockbusters Whether you’re a Marvel loyalist, a DC defender, or just tired of mid-tier superhero movies — this episode breaks down what’s gone wrong and what it’ll take to fix it. 👇 Join the conversation! Do you think superhero movies can recover, or is the golden age over? Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's project "Henry's Usual": https://www.tumblr.com/henrysusual Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

I was going to say, like, a James Cameron Spider-Man to me sounds like a Tim Burton Superman, where it was like, I cannot be even fathom that that got as far as it did. Because like just a total mismatch. Yeah. But then James Cameron has made some fun movies. Like, you look at something like true lies. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm talking.

just the Tim Burton Superman thing is something that existed. Like, because I remember those, because it was kind of like, I remember what? 10 years or maybe five years before Lord of the Rings, the Lord of the Rings rumors going with, because I remember the big one being,

oh, Sean Astin's going to play Frodo. And then like, it actually happened and he played Sam. And it's like, all right, well, you know, close enough. We'll call it. Yeah. It's a whole bit still. Yep, still.

same race we got him yeah I mean we'll just introduce the show we don't know when it started hi everybody welcome to our Avengers name's Corey and with me is John Dylan

is not with us what is Dylan up to he came up with the reason why you were I think he's on his moon base plotting how to take over the world right now he always does say that he gets up to crime whenever we ask him what he does during the week i picture him up there like rita reposa just like with uh her minions let me tell you i watched the uh the original

japanese uh zoo ranger the sundai series that all of the power ranger footage came from and uh that was instead of rita rosa she was the evil witch bandora and she straight up just said i want to kill kids and like damn See Rangers went hard She's just talking about wanting to Wanting to kill children Ah, they cried too much, kill them I mean she's got a point

We'll disagree We'll disagree So Depending on how much we just We're talking and how much stayed in the open We have been talking about James Cameron's Spider-Man A little bit about Tim Burton's Superman

These were superhero movies that were going to come out were rumored to come out but ultimately didn't and um i mean there's a lot going on in the dc side of the picture right now marvel's a little more set in stone because they you know everyone's they're in the midst of making doomsday and apparently writing the script as they go which sounds not great never good fun doesn't sound great I saw someone specifically saying that they're favorite, that they cannot wait to see Robert Donnie Jr.'s Dr. Doom

wipe out the Brian Singer X-Men universe because it was miserable and needed to die anyway. He's just going to like finger snap it and just blow it away. Like we're done with this place. I mean, the thing is we know that they're going to recast the X-Men and start them afresh anyway. in the future, so they might as well

do something like that. All of these actors are in their 50s now. Like, we're not going to go see a new X-Men movie with 50-year-old Wolverine, 50-year-old Cyclops, 50-year-old Phoenix, you know. They're going to hire some kid in their toys. Or, you know, like, yeah, 90-year-old Patrick

Stewart, whatever he is now. Probably not 90. I'm doing him a disservice there, I think, but still. Isn't Ian McKellon closer to that? I think, oh, I would would think so, yeah. Ian McKellon is 86. There you go.

Patrick Stewart is 85. So closer to 90 than not. Yeah. God, I can't believe they had them film three seasons of Picard. I guess that's a good place to kind of name. So, you know, with Marvel, they've got Doomsday going on, and they're hoping that that's going to give them a big boost because they're in a weird place where things have either been like critically received but didn't make a lot of money or have not just I've just been

kind of boring for them I mean Captain America Brave New World was considered pretty boring um yep thunderbolts was well received but it didn't make any money the last thing I saw people same with fantastic cool yeah fantastic four that was that one surprised a lot of people with how like middle of the road it seemed to it was its reception was but um

I think the last thing I saw anybody really talking about people are hyping up the zombies Marvel zombies yes and there's a there you know there's still the ever present there's a blade Disney Plus series maybe coming down the line somewhere and there's a Wonder Man

one and those are hardly two characters that are going to light the world on fire. Well, Blade, I think they're still planning to make a movie out of, but it's just they've not been able to crack the script at all. It's getting that. Remember, it took Black Adam like nine years to get made. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's starting to get, it feels like this is going to be another one.

Yeah. You know, and at least I feel like we have finally, like, stop letting Jared Letto be a star, things after his tron movie just shit the bed so that's nice you say that he's going to be skeletal and then the new he-man movie so can't wait for that to shit the bed too i don't want it to shit the bed morphius tron and he-man oh man what a what a killer's row there murderers row um so anyway yeah that's what's going on in the marvel side It seemed like collectively, everyone's kind of holding their breath and hoping the Russo brothers can make some magic happen with Doomsday.

But, you know, I've been seeing a lot of reports of like, yeah, Alan Cumming was Nightcrawler, and he filmed in front of a green screen, and he didn't know who he was supposed to be talking to. Not ideal, you know? Yeah, yeah. And on the DC side of things, Superman just rat, like Superman, I think came out, what, $615 million. So, you know, not a failure. but you know depending on who you ask anyway another topic for another time um yeah peacemaker season two just wrapped up with a big uh i don't want to call it a big revelation because i saw a lot of people talking about they were really disappointed it well i guess um before we dive into that

quick summary on it so peacemaker is a character that uh was originally from charleton comics that was acquired by DC Comics in the 80s. Famously, Alan Moore used Peacemaker as his inspiration for the comedian and Watchman. And that was probably the most noteworthy thing about that character up until James Gunn cast John Cena to play him in the Suicide Squad. Yeah. So then after the Suicide Squad, where his character is seemingly, like, killed until like a post-credit scene, you see that he's okay.

It's announced that Peacemaker is getting his own show. and the first season comes out and it's well received and people really liked it and John Cena did a really good job. Then a second season of Peacemaker comes out and our storyline there is basically introducing the concept of the multiverse in the D.C. world with, you know, our main character, Chris, finding his seemingly perfect world where his family is still alive and he's a beloved hero and he has the girl of his dreams and it's perfect. Because in the real world, he's considered a joke, and he's wanted by Rick Flagg, Sr. For killing his son, and everybody hates him, and his family's dead. So throughout the story, you know, ultimately, Chris realizes that his perfect world is actually a Nazi planet, which is funny. That revelation, just like all of the little, like, site gags of just like every desk has a copy of Mind Conf. there's this mural of

in front of the White House. I've not seen a single person of color since I've been here. You know, very James Gunn sense of humor. But anyway, the ending of it is that the B plot of the story has been Rick Flagg Sr., who is a high government official played by Frank Grillo,

has been having a bit of a fall from grace as he has been on a path of revenge against peacemaker for killing his son, Rick Flagg Jr., in the suicide. Side Squad movie, and he ends up cutting a deal with Lex Luthor, and he finds this dimensional rift, and he abandons the peacemaker, John Cina's character, in a world he calls salvation, where his ultimately, the plan is to take all of the metahumans on Earth and put them in

salvation. That was the big finale. I wanted to say, like, kind of like, eh, on that, because James Gunn was, like, hyping it really big, and I think a lot of people were expecting, like, a bunch of cameos or brand new characters to be introduced instead of, like, hey, this is a plot point that's going to come up again in the future. And I think James Gunn kind of sabotaged himself on by hyping it up as big as he did. So that's the big deal. Salvation is, of course, based off of a comic series called Salvation Run that was in the lead-up to final crisis back in the late 2010s, or not 20-2010s, late 2000s, which was written

by Grant Morrison. And basically what it is is that Amanda Waller creates a prison planet for all of the meta-humans or the supervillains in DC and just leave them there where there's giant carnivorous monsters trying to kill them so that's where we are with DC and it's not just where we are because of course there's other projects coming out so they've already announced that man of tomorrow which is going to be the sequel to Superman that's going to focus on I think he basically James Gun basically said it's going to be a Superman Lex Luthor team up movie that's going to be out in February of 2027

the goal anyway there's there's Supergirl coming out before then there is the Lanterns television series that's going to be coming out as well and those are there's also the Clayface show with Clayface

I was going to say yeah yeah Clayface made his appearance for the first time in the Creature Commandos animated series so this will be continuing on that storyline much like the Rick Flagg's senior character was introduced in Creature Commandos as well. I believe Clayface is a movie as well, not a show. Oh, yes. That's, that's balzy.

Well, it's, the weird thing about, like, James Gunn's, like, plans for DC is, he's not going with the most obvious choices first. He's doing some random stuff, which, you know, like doing Creature Commandos, basically the first introduction to this is new incarnation of like DC studios and like a big sort of project that crosses both live action TV animated series and movies that is not the like entry point that I think most people would have gone with no that's for sure you know but I will say this like that's true the very first, if you, if you don't want to count suicide squad, because tactically suicide squad was kind of in the middle of that transition from Scott Snyder to James Gunn. Um, so the continuity

is a little weird, fast and loose. We're not really sure what's 100% there and 100% not. I mean, outright and Peacemaker too, they refilmed like the ending of, season one peacemaker ends with a cameo by Scott Snyder's Justice League, or at least, you know, uh, Jason MMO as Aquaman. And or Miller is the Flash. And they re-shot it, so instead of it of them, in the flashback, it was the Justice Gang of of Mr. Terrific, Hot Girl, and

Guy Gardner from Superman. So it's... But like you say, as well, like a big crux of Season 2 of Peacemaker was from the Suicide Squad with the Peacemaker killing Rick Flagg, Jr. So, yeah, it's a bit confusing. It is. And I mean, James

gun seemingly is handling it in the tried and honored way of common books by saying don't worry about it worry about it it's comics yeah deal don't worry about it um so yeah i mean that's excellent point because like if you think about it the suicide squad had harley quinn and harley quinn had interacted with ben afflix batman in the david ayer's suicide squad movie but we know that Ben Affleck's not Batman in James Gunn's world because we don't even know who Batman is in James Gunn's world like officially we saw a glimpse of him in creature commandos but it was like a silhouette of him in a Dr. Phosphorus flashback

so like we have no idea who the fuck Batman is which again is going to your point of like he's not starting and doing obvious things because we're going to have a Clayface movie before we know who the fuck Batman is. Exactly. So James Gunn basically, and this is going to tie into this as well, because

like lanterns is going to be interesting because a lot of people so like all comic fanbases, the Green Lantern fan base is very strong and very devout. There are multiple green lanterns for a reason,

and that's because no, you know, you could ask a room full of Green Lantern fans who their favorite lantern is, you're going to get different answers. You know, the big one is Hal Jordan. He was the Silver Age Green Lantern. And then there was Guy Gardner and John Stewart. John Stewart's a very big one because of those of us who grew up in the 90s and the

2000s, the Justice League cartoon by Bruce Tim, Green Lantern was John Stewart. Because at the time, Hal Jordan was a villain and they wanted to have diversity in the cast of characters and not just have a bunch of white people. So they picked John Stewart. And then, of course, if you did grow up in the 90s and you're reading comic books, then Green Lantern was Kyle Rainer, and there was no Green Lantern core. He was the only one, because that was their relaunch of Green Lantern and, like, trying to redefine what the character is. So when you say, we're going to make a Green Lantern show, you're immediately have alienated at least three-fourths of the fan base, because you can only have one main character, and if it's not Hal Jordan, then the Guy Gardner, John, Stuart and Kyle Rainer fans are pissed so it's it's it's ballsy to decide hey we're

gonna make a green lantern show and the main lantern is going to be John Stewart so that's cool because you know like said a lot of people grow up John Stewart as their as their main character the Guy Gardner fans are cool with it because he's already shown up he's played by Nathan Philean and he was very well received and loved in Superman and was really funny in peacemaker and his cameo there When they announced who they were casting as Hal Jordan, though, for the Lantern show, that raised a lot of eyebrows. Because the man they cast, and you will have to forgive me, I don't remember his name off right, off top my head. Kyle Chandler.

Kyle Chandler, he's in his 60s, so it's an older man, meaning that we're likely not seeing Hal Jordan in the Lantern uniform and doing a lot of fighting because it's a 60-year-old man. It doesn't necessarily mean anything, of course. We saw Christopher Lee and Ian McKellen kick the show. of each other in Lord of the Rings. But, you know, they were wizards. It's different. Anyway. Anyway, so that's like, the Lantern show is kind of weird, because we've only seen, like,

one proper image of John Stewart and Hal Jordan, and they're not in uniform. And then I saw another image from it that I think it was posted on the set, and it was a cardboard standee of Guy Gardner holding like a mountain dew in a gas station because again like he's part of the Maxwell Lord justice gang which is like superhero is a business and not like yeah true traditional kind of ideas so that's that's that's another James Gunn upcoming project a lot of like I said a lot of Green Lantern fans are very hesitant about it they don't really know how it's going to go and I don't know if that's like a DC thing or if it's a or just a comic thing in general like with the MCU I didn't notice this kind of thing before of like it seemed like every MCU movie that was coming out people seemed seemingly hyped for it there wasn't like oh like we've made an iron man we've made a Thor we've made a Captain America we're going to make well actually oddly enough, I think Guardians of the Galaxy

because when they announced Guardians of the Galaxy, I remember a lot of Guardians of the Galaxy fans, which there weren't many of at the time, because it was Cosmic Marvel, which is a very neglected space in Marvel. We're like, oh, what's this then? They're making a movie of this.

How is this going to go? And then, like, the movie came out and James Gunn... I don't know. I feel like I'm doing a lot of talking, so you by all means somebody to shut the fuck up. But I liked Guardians of the Galaxy as a comic book fan before they were making the movie. Because I remember when they were like talking about who's going to play Star Lord. I was like really surprised to see Chris Pratt because at that point he was mostly well known for his role of chubby, goofy, dumb, Andy Dwyer from Parks and Recreation.

So it was like surprising. And then you saw the movie and you were like, wow, this was really good. but this wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy like this is something else because it's like well yeah but I think like you say there wasn't like

that big community of people who probably were huge fans of the comic books to kind of make that comparison for most people this was their introduction to the Guardians of the Galaxy in any form

like certainly it was for me so but you know how can you not be entertained by that cast of characters from that movie exactly but it but again like as if you're a guardians of the galaxy fan you're like that's not really star lord like that's not his personality at all and when they were releasing the guardians of the galaxy comic book at the time brian michael bendos was writing it and it was like a completely different origin story he was working with like he was running with the original like 1960s star lord origin where he's the son of jason of spartax you know like a whole different background. The character design was completely different. And then the movie took off and then you saw Chris Pratt Starlord start showing up in the comic instead of the traditional Peter Quill.

Yeah. That's Marvel Synergy. That's another topic entirely. But I guess what I'm saying is like creature commandos and I would even say peace, well, definitely peacemaker, that's the same level that Guardians of the King. galaxy was at Marvel. So like when they said like, oh, James Gunn's doing this, you're like, oh, that's really cool. Like I didn't think anyone would want to do a Creature Commandos book. There was no Creature Commandos book, you know, coming out at the time.

Like Creature Commandos was like, I think from the 70s and might get in a mini series in the 80s or 90s, but like the supernatural characters, that was agents of shade. You know, that was a different thing entirely in New 52. And then, you know, watching it, you're like, okay, well, he, again, he took liberties with characters because, like, his take on Frankenstein certainly wasn't Grant Morrison's Frankenstein. Very different take. And the same thing happened, you know, with Peacemaker, John, you know, Chris Smith, the character is, you know, in the comics is certainly not John Cena. And even when they started now, DC doesn't have the same dedication to Synergy that Marvel does at times. So, like, around the time that the peacemaker show is

coming out and Suicide Squad movie was coming out. Peacemaker was introduced in the comics as a adversary that worked under Amanda Waller and he was more like a John Walker US agent character where he was loyal to the government and was an asshole and nobody liked him. So like totally different take from the John Cena character that we saw in season one to Peacemaker in season two which again, the character growth because you know he was very much that way. Suicide Squad movie. But yeah, James Gunn is really odd to me in the way he approaches, like, stuff

because, like, Superman was the most comic book superhero movie I've ever seen, and I loved it for it. But also, I know that he doesn't necessarily do a lot of, he's not as loyal to the comic books because he committed the cardinal sin of the suicide squad. And if you know what the, if you're familiar with the suicide squad, you know what that is.

And I don't know if you know or not. I have no idea what the card don't sin is, no. Cool. So in the Suicide Squad, there are, there are, there's two universal truths. And that is Amanda Waller will always be Amanda Waller and Captain Boomerang will survive. Because Captain Boomerang, like the name, always came back. And he was a character that was pathetic and whiny and a total dickhead and just the

worst human being possible and that's what made him so fun to read and likable because he was also incredibly self-aware multiple times like going into a mission he's like i'm going to piss myself this is fucking ridiculous how the hell are we getting through this somehow he would somehow live and like that was the joke is that captain boomerang is a cockroach you can't get rid of him he's been on the most missions him and dead shot both have been on every mission and yet they're the two come back you know dead shot because he has a death wish and captain boomerang because he's just the luckiest, unlucky person in the world. So, like, to have him, like, kill off Captain Boomerang in the first, like, ten minutes of

the Suicide Squad movie, and I went, okay, well, James is certainly going to have his take on what the Suicide Squad is. Because, like I said, it felt, it did not feel like a Suicide Squad movie to me, because it didn't have Dead Shot or Captain Boomerang. Yeah. I can understand. that and I guess I think it felt like he killed him off that quickly just to like shake things up and say oh yeah this is like a clean break from the first movie and yeah like you say nobody's safe

now yeah because I mean and David Ayer's Suicide Squad movie they did play a little bit with the whole like Captain Boomerang like somehow living despite being Captain Boomerang. There was a couple of scenes where, like, it was close. But I just love Captain Boomerang. Like I said, he's a favorite character of mine because I did fall in love with that

John Ostrander Suicide Squad run, where it was like, he's the most unlikable person on the team. He's the most unqualified person to be there. Like, the end of the day, he's a dude who throws a toy. Because, like, this wasn't even, like, modern day Captain Boomerang

where the boomer. rain explode and the razor tipped he's just throwing fucking boomerangs it's it's absurd anyway not the best power that we can develop but yeah no no we almost end up talking about blackest night and i remember like because like so he had the boomerang in dc comics did get killed off uh he got killed off by brad meltzer in identity crisis uh which i feel like that's a storyline we're talking about someday because boy oh boy that is divisive in the fan base but so captain boomerang gets killed in identity crisis and then his son owen becomes the new captain boomerang and he's kind of a tweener where he's like dating supergirl uh he he tries

to be a member of the teen titans and they they don't really want him in because he's fucking captain boomerang's kid like even though he wasn't raised by his dad it was still like what the fuck but then in Blackest Night Jeff Johns kills off Captain Boomerang Jr and Digger gets resurrected in a younger

body and he's a lot more competent and he gets powers because Jeff Johns loves silver age shit so I remember like all these characters they could have picked all these different characters to resurrect in Brightest Day and they picked Captain Boomerang as one of them I was like damn okay

oh boomer's back another your topic for another time again. Well, actually, maybe not. Because we talked about how we originally I wanted to do a Black as Night episode and I was like, there's so much DC lore here, it would just be me ranting for an hour and you and Dylan and just going, okay, all right? Because I have to explain like, okay, there's been two different firestorms and like this, this firestorms made of these two people. Like, it would just be stupid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe we'll put that on the bike burner for a little bit.

Yeah. Every Halloween, it comes up and I go, no, we're not ready yet. We're not quite ready for Blackest Night. But to get back on topic with the James Gunn stuff, like, those are the big things he has coming up. He has lanterns coming up. He has Clayface coming up. He has Supergirl and Man of Tomorrow.

He has stated there is not going to be a third season of Peacemaker that that plot line's going to get put out somewhere else. there's other movies as well that he's kind of announced but there's no dates for so stuff like the authority which was again a bit of a zig when you'd expect them to zag like no one's really calling out for a movie about the authority or really no like again it's like niche characters who i'm sure like the people who do read those books love them and stuff, but, like, for most comic book fans or casual fans, they're not going to be familiar with the authority at all. Yes.

Well, and the way that I was reading it, it didn't even really necessarily look like the authority. It looked a little more like, um, Stormwatch or the planet, or planetary. There's like a couple of, it felt like an amalgamation of some ideas. Even then, like, he took the engineer

from the authority and put her in Superman. And she was a villain. Oh, is she from the authority? Was she? I believe she, I believe the engineer was the authority or Stormwatch, one of the two. Oh, okay. So, um, so I mean, that's a potential tie-in if they, when, if they bring that character back and put her in the authority. But, um, there's also Batman Brave and the Bold, which is going to be a Bat, Bruce Wayne and Damien. And then they pretty much said that, like, there's going to be this, this dynamic duo movie out that's going to be nightwing and red hood you know and that's yeah there's they've said uh swamp thing as well

by james mangold did uh you know uh the wolverine and logan as well uh i'm sure they're going to do like a teen titans movie uh i think there's like rumors of there being like a bane and deathstroke movie as well as well. Bain and Destort Team. And Sergeant Rock as well. That's it. Yeah. They introduced Sergeant Rock in creature commandos in flashbacks with GI Robot.

So there's a, you know, there's, he is going across the board. A lot of people are kind of confused and some are interested to see where he goes. I know because if there's, if, if the green lanterns are a problem when it comes to divided fan base, then

Robin sidekicks. We had a whole episode talking about the five different characters that have been Robin. It's the same vibe where, like, when they announced, like, there's going to be a Batman and Robin movie, and it's going to be Damien. Four fifths of the fan base were pissed. So it's like, yeah, it's going to be weird. So then they're like, oh, we're going to have Nightwing of Red Hood. And that's you, those two groups are happy. And then there's like, well, potentially a Teen Titans, it's like, well, is it going to be Tim?

Because if so, that's four out of five. That's good math. I don't know. Yeah. Because then there's also, even though it's not officially part of his universe, Matt Reeves, Batman 2 is also going to be a thing. Mm-hmm. So we're going to get Batman, but it's not the official James Gun Batman. It's a different Batman.

Because fuck it. We don't need to worry about, you know, we could do else worlds. Who cares? Yeah, I can. But, like, I don't see why they don't just, like, weave it into what they're doing at the moment yeah i think i think it's because he has such like james gunn has such a idea of what he wants to do and we've seen it like we've seen his superman it's big it's big comic book he had a giant kaiju monster two different giant kaiju monsters in that movie and then you're

going to have batman who's you know who was fighting the riddler who was leading a gang of sells basically, you know, like, I guess he's, I guess he's like, the power scaling has to line up. I don't know. I guess that to me is the obvious thing to do. That Batman movie was so well received. Fuck it. Weave it in. Yeah, yeah. Weave it in. It was great. Don't overcomplicate things. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't mind it, but, you know, he has his idea. And I guess we can kind of weave that into the big topic that has come up this week, which is a couple weeks ago if you're listening to this, Warner Brothers is selling themselves again. We just had the Warner Brothers discovery merger a few years ago. It obviously has not worked out the way that

they thought it would, so they're going to start selling their assets. And one of those assets is Warner Brothers. And Warner Brothers has a lot of IP that's very, very, very desirable, mainly DC Comics as well as like Mortal Kombat and stuff the Looney Tunes and stuff and there's tons of people that want that So if they do sell The new owners could look at what James Gunn is doing and be like actually We don't want that We don't want you to make any of these things

We want to do our own thing Or they could keep on doing it it's hard to tell It's literally up in the air The big rumor that I saw that the most likely person is going to acquire, you know, Warner Brothers properties is going to be Paramount. So Paramount says, yeah, you know, they're a film studio as well. You know, maybe they have

their own people that they're going to want to to lead a universe. And if so, do we get another reboot? Well, I mean, we talked about how Superman's box office was good,

but not great. And that could be used as like a you know, like a talking point to say like well if the you know we're not getting the returns from what james gunn is doing then maybe we should hit the reset button and you know give another shot try something different maybe go with something like more mainstream in terms of like the stuff coming up so like obviously superman was but like compared to uh everything else that is on the slate like the creature Commandos and whatnot, like, you know, go back to Batman and Wonder Woman and the Flash

and, you know, the heroes which are more in the public consciousness already rather than trying to, exactly. Because that's, the truth of the matter is, I did not see any real merchandising for Creature Commandoes. And I didn't really see much merchandising for Peacemaker either. like you know like and that maybe that's the property issue so like of course the big thing in superhero stuff is always going to be toys obviously yeah um McFarlane has the exclusive rights to make the DC comics figures and McFarlane they do very detailed seven inch tall figures that are

about 30 bucks or 25 to $30 into um Marvel Legends is done by Mattel and Marvel Legends they put more product they are smaller i don't think the quality is as detailed or as nice as the dc ones but ultimately like the price points around the same but like for example they made action figures for black panther and for eternals and those things were on the shelves forever shang chi those figures are on the shelves forever dc didn't make they didn't make anything for creature commandos or for Peacemaker so they didn't sit on Jolz I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing

is it a bad thing they didn't put out merch or is it a good thing because it's like who would have wanted to buy piecemaker toys it was an R-rated show that kids can't watch which was another talking point into as well absolutely I think that's another place where they're shooting those cells

in the foot a little bit so that's you know I saw talking anything DC film gets to be complicated because you run into the Scott the uh the Zach Snyder problem which is that Zach Snyder has a very loyal fan base who would love nothing more than to have his movies be the restored main continuity and for him to keep making them I do not get the appeal. I didn't enjoy any of them. Any of them. And I'm a big DC comment. I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's like some which I can sort of sit through, but not to the point where I love them or anything like that. Not even close. Yeah. So, but what you have to say is that in that period of time, there was a wonder one there are two wonder woman movies two aquaman movies a flash movie a superman movie a batman versus superman movie and a justice league movie so those are heavy hitters they did not fuck around and make like you know fucking kids of king arthur's court or prez or any of the other offbeat sea list characters that dc has at their disposal and they also, like, the theme was consistent among them. I didn't care for the tone a lot of those movies had.

It felt really, like, it took itself too seriously, and the colors scheme was really muted and dishwatery. But it was consistent. If you, like, Superman was bright and colorful and had a level of kind of curiosity to it that I think is needed for a Superman movie. Peacemaker and Suicide Squad, and Creature Commandos did not.

And those are all things that tie together. And so somebody pointed out, in one of the first few episodes of the second season of Peacemaker, John seen his character is in a bisexual orgy. And his character showed up in a cameo in the Superman movie. So it's like, I don't know.

Like, yes, you have to like trust parents to be like, well, this is R-rated. The kids shouldn't watch it. But when you have the fucking character in the kids movie, you kind of encouraging people to see him elsewhere, too. absolutely you know i think something that annoys me right now is like uh with all these people

who are still zach schneider fans and still kind of you know want to see the cinematic universe revert to what he was doing yeah like he doesn't help things either like recently he's been posting a lot of like images and stuff there and this is my superman or something showing Henry Cavill or yeah it's like dude just leave it let it be it was what 10 years ago that

the Justice League came out and well and he's friends with James Gunn as well and it just seems weird that like you know like they are two they're like they are guys who are friendly with each other you know they make jokes about like how the fan their fan bases

are at war with one another and it just seems like yeah he's stoking the flame and it's like maybe you should try to encourage people more people to watch rebel moon i mean yeah probably not because it's awful yeah i don't know what that was yeah i don't know what that was it's garbage absolute garbage but this is the thing i guess maybe because rebel moon has failed uh quite spectacularly so he's looking to sabotage james guns is you know, D.C. movies, so then I guess he can sweep in and save the day

or maybe this is like his plan in his mind or something. Maybe. I just, it feels like, I guess the thing about it is, and this is a feather in the cap for both men, everything that James Gunn has done has been James Gunn. There has been no, nothing has been out of character

in the work that he has put out so far in his DC universe. and the same can go see if you said for Zach Snyder they have been so consistent with their vision and what they want and you kind of have to give them props for it yeah you know you take the good and the bad

with Zach Snyder you get this really overwrought um pseudo emotional beat dishwater that focuses on imagery rather than like stuff that makes sense like Superman watched this massive

explosion happened all around him that likely killed a bunch of people and like he just looks like conflicted about it and it's like whereas like the david cornswet superman would have caught the goddamn like truck and taking it somewhere else you know Henry Cavill's just let it blow up around him it's like just because you're invulnerable fuck um but yeah you get what you get with those guys and I guess that's good you know they're true true to what they're doing. I guess my thing is like, I really enjoyed what I saw in James Gunn's Superman and I was, I'm optimistic to see more of it. I was amused by what I saw in Peacemaker, but I didn't have much of a desire to go out of my way to watch it. And the same can be said

for Creature Commandos because I was really excited at the onset. And then the more I saw it, the I was like, I don't really want to watch this. It feels like it could just be on adult swim. Yeah, yeah. Like, it didn't feel required viewing. Yeah, and that, I think, is the problem. Like, I think too many, well, I think, like, too many of these,

um, uh, like shows and movies are coming up, uh, almost too geared towards James Gunn. sensibilities rather than like a commercial sensibility like for the biggest possible audience and I think that is where like his vision for DC studios might come unstuck because it's more aimed towards him like it's the whole Vince McMahon kind of WWE issue where like it was an audience of one that he was trying to please and he was that one I get the feeling that, like, it's similar with James Gunn right now. So, all right, let's look, let's take the opposite view on that. When the Star Wars movies came out after Disney acquired Star Wars, those movies felt like nothing because it felt like they were trying to appeal to too many people at once. Like, I wasn't really, what's the objective?

Like, who, what are we, it feels like with him, with him, he needs to loosen it up in the sense that like listen i fucking love michael rooker and i love his dedication to put michael rooker in everything that he does i do but that being said like i there there didn't there wasn't a big name in superman and i feel like there could have been and there maybe should have been i love the people in it i love nicholas holt i love frank grillo I love the fact that Frank Grillo is getting consistent work Can we just put that out there?

I love that fucking guy. I don't know what it is about him. I just love him. So I'm happy he's getting work. But like, you know, a lot of, maybe that's more of a, maybe that's more of a symptom of like where we are

when it comes to entertainment these days. There doesn't feel like there's a lot of big name actors or actresses these days, right? Because most of them are getting older. Like, I saw something that reminded me today that Tom Cruise is in his mid-60s. And it's like, Jesus. Yeah. Kind of scary.

Yeah, it's about his, it was about his recent divorce. And he was like, he's like, he's afraid he'll never find love again. I'm like, he's like 65. He's probably right. He might not ever find love again. He's 65, you know? And if he did, it's not for very long, you know? Exactly.

If you're lucky, it's another 10, 15 years. If you're not. you know it's like a lot of actors that we kind of grew up watching as well or starting to die off now as well it's like am yeah it's it's really sad and there's like you say there's not many stars who are coming up nowadays or who've been around for like the last 10 15 years or whatever who have that same sort of star quality yeah it's it's like a different era now i don't know if that's because our attention spans aren't what they once were and like we don't kind of uh idolize them as much as we did or what the issue is maybe it's like the quality of the movies or who knows but yeah we just we don't have that

star quality anymore well i think it's i think there's definitely an element there because you brought up like Superman made $615 million, which was good, but not great. And it's like, you know, what's the last, like, I mean, the superhero genre in general is just not doing what it used to do. You know, like, the last Avengers, I think dead born Wolverine made over a billion, but that's an anomaly in the last, like, five years or so. Exactly.

And for that one, I think that is another one of the situations where you have, like, Hugh Jackman, who's been playing that character for 25 years. A quarter of a century has been Hugh Jackman as Wolverine at this point. That's insane to think about, but it's true. And Ryan Reynolds

has, you know, he made a prophecy come true by playing Deadpool, and it worked exactly as it should have. You know, that was a throwaway gag on a panel of, you know, what do you look like, Deadpool? I look like, you know, Ryan Reynolds mixed with a Sharpay.

And then he fucking made it happen. Like, damn. But again, those are, again, two older actors, you know, like, Brian Reynolds has been active since the 90s. I remember him on a sitcom called Two Guys and Girls in Pizza Place on, like, ABC. You know, he's not young. Yeah. So I keep, who's the kid from Jeremy Allen White and Timothy Shalame,

are, like, the two big name, like, actors, I think of, like, I know them by name and not because they played a particular role. That's like, that's, that's, that's the business of, like, are they big, are they a big name actor? Jeremy Allen White is obviously, like, the star of the bear, which is a great show. And, you know, he was curiously fast as Carrived on Eric. Yeah, and he's just been past as Bruce Springsteen as well. I saw the trailer for that. Which, yeah, he doesn't look a thing like him.

Boy, he didn't look a goddamn thing like Carrie White is, a Carrie Von Eric, too, considering, like, he's a bit shorter than him. That was like the funniest part of the Iron Claw movie was just like, huh, in this universe, Carrie Von Eric's the shortest one. Interesting. Boy, anyway. Yeah, I don't know if it's just that because it's like, the way that we consume media is obviously very different you know television ratings are nowhere near where they used to be movie but you know like every time a movie comes out and you hear that it's a critical success the next thing you hear is like it also didn't make any fucking money like yeah what's the most recently a DiCaprio movie all i've heard is like what a great movie it's really good it made next to nothing though yeah it's the same

with the Rock's last movie as well, the smashing machine, which, you know, people have been praising his performance in it, saying oh, yeah, that he could be nominated for an Oscar this coming year. And, you know, it's made

basically no money at the box office. I think they're projecting it might make $15 million in its run. Might make $15 million. That's terrible. That's an estimate. You know, like, that's not great. So, like,

I'm amused by that story because like hearing the Rock talk about it he's clearly angling for some sort of a nomination because that's what happens when actors when they're trying to get nominated for an Oscar they all make the they all make the interview circuit and all they do is they talk about like how challenging of a role it was so challenging

because I remember Anne Hathaway did that for her role in Le Miz where it felt like for a year all she did was like go on Jimmy Kimmel and like Graham Norton and talk about how challenging it was for her to play this role that's what he's doing and it just it reminds me of a story of like

Alan Rickman on the set of Galaxy Quest and Tim Allen filmed a scene where he got emotional and he had to like take the rest of the day off and Alan Rickon's response was oh my God I think he discovered acting like I think the rock discovered acting

yeah he's just been the rock for the last 20 years and everything he's ever done how he had to play a different person oh god Well, yeah, I just watched G.I. Joe retaliation today and he is basically, what's his name in the movie? I think it's like Roadblock or something. Which is, it's close enough to the rock. So, you know. Rhymes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. He was playing, and G.I. Joe were hardly known for their diverse personalities. It's kind of like the Transformers back in the day where it's like they had a name and they turned into a specific kind of. kind of car and they had like one character trait that's like gai jo it's like this is the guy who

goes on all the snow missions this is the guy that goes on all the water missions what do they do if it's not snow or water i just hang out i'm just hanging out today oh we got to go get cobra oh they're in the desert well i mean my snow shoes will be staying here and i'm minding the bait so way to make me remember that uh christopher eccleston was in that movie as well poor christopher he was christopher he was destro in the first one anyway oh yeah in the first one yeah that's right yeah they couldn't get him back for the sequel couldn't get him back for the sequel could they no ah oh he didn't want to come back anyway that's for sure i don't know i love christopher eccleston i will fucking watch him in anything

i i i actually that would be fun i have thought about this like because of the whole notion up until recently with the whole thing like Jason Mamoa is going to be Lobo but of course before sorry he's going to be Lobo and Supergirl but before that he was on the man it's like the first instance

where like a you know the one that I can think of or an actor is going to be basically playing two different roles in the same like universe or at least a major one because I mean like I said Michael Rooker's been fucking everything that James Gunn does he's played three different roles

in Suicide Squad and Peacemaker and Creature Commandos. So anyway, I would love to do an episode of like, hey, what was a role that an actor played that you would like to see that same actor in a better role in a superhero film? Because for me, Christopher Eccleston is the villain in the second Thor movie. It was such a waste. I love Christopher Eccleston so much. And I hated that he was in that movie.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think pretty much the universal opinion is that was an absolute waste of time for him. He's been a lot of this time, fortunately. Well, yeah. But like Malika in the comics is like a pretty, you know, sort of dynamic villain. He's kind of mischievous and, you know, you can have some fun with it. But Jesus Christ.

Yeah, they completely took anything away from the characterization, which kind of made him stand out or, you know, showed any sort of personality. Like, why hire an actor like Christopher Eckleston if you're not going to do something with him? I would agree with that. I don't know. I guess what I favorite things is I love his attitude about Doctor Who and how it does, it ruffles feathers. he's just like I'll do it for the money and people get all upset about it's like he said he'd just do it for the money it's like yeah he had a beautiful time making the goddamn thing I wouldn't want to go back either yeah so anyway that's ultimately that's where we're kind of are with Warner Brothers at the moment

is that Warner Brothers is for sale the theory the prediction that I've seen is that we're likely going to see Paramount acquire it in early 2026. So it's enough time. Apparently, it could be like there's, I think, five different potential buyers lined up. So Paramount is the frontrunner. Yeah. But they're fresh off a merger with Skydance,

who are like another sort of producing studio. So that, I don't know, like, if they acquire another major company like Warner Brothers Discovery that's asking a lot in a short amount of time. I don't think they're requiring the whole thing though.

Like they're talking about selling the asset so they might just be selling the IP or the properties like the Warner Brother property but like discovery and everything is still in its own thing. Okay. Because that was like that's what a lot of people talking about is, like, separating the film division from the television division.

Interesting. Okay. Well, we'll see it, I guess. But so the other companies that are sort of being touted as potential buyers, Apple, who've obviously got into, like, the movie making making business over the last few years. who've been doing it for a lot longer. Netflix who've obviously

you know had their fingers in a lot of pies for the last 20 years basically and NBC Universal is the other one

which I'm not entirely familiar with like are they so it's Universal Studios like what sort of oh okay right that's the yeah so it's NBC television

and Universal Studios. So, like, of course, the big thing being with Universal is the Universal Monsters. Starting to, you know, they're making rumors, they're making noise again and stuff. But mainly for them, it's like NBC, you have the Peacock Network and the television wing and stuff. Right, right, right. Of those, like I said, Paramount seems to be, like I said, the front writer. That's the one that I've seen people predict, that Paramount's the one that, Paramount's the one that would be the most likely to do it.

I would personally think it would be interesting if it was like a Netflix, mainly just for the wrestling implications of what that would mean. Yeah, because of fucking hysterical. But for other reasons. But yeah, I don't know. I don't really. It's, it's, like you said, the reason we brought this up is that James Gunn in an interview this week basically said, like, I don't know what's going to happen.

I could be fired for, you know, by the, if, If somebody else buys it, they have the right to say they don't want to do this and fire me. Which, again, is what happened. When Warner Brothers Discovery happened, there was a whole Batgirl movie that was done. Michael Keaton was Batman in it. Brandon Fraser was playing Firefly. It was a finished movie. And they said, nope, we're not putting it out.

Tax right off. Even if, like, James Gunn, like, got all the shit going, he could be finished. And the new ownership could be like, uh, we would write. rather just not put this out and then that was that so it is interesting yeah ultimately it comes down to who's going to buy it and what their attitude about it's going to be i mean it could very well be someone who buys it and they're like hey we believe in what he's doing we think he's got a good vision superman performed well maybe just didn't have the right people behind it because that's also another factor like superman was consider the success that it was because dc had done miserable

movies outside of the Batman have been doing miserable movies for a decade plus at that point. Like yes, man have still made more money, which is a big talking point of the Snyder fans if you use the

inflation calculator. Technically Man has still made more money than the Superman movie did if you used the inflation calculator. But it was a whole different era of watching stuff. Netflix at that point, when man of steel was out in theater you order DVDs off Netflix to have them deliver to your home to watch

you had to put them in an envelope and mail them back so it was a very different world I guess it's just bizarre to think about because like for the last since what 2008 we have lived in this world where there was always some Marvel project or a DC project in the works and in the last few years

I mean we've done several episodes talking about this they haven't been performing like they have been and it could just be again you know they talk about superhero fatigue could be the case yeah people could just not want to watch these movies anymore

there was a gap for yeah go ahead I was just going to say they just not just DC like Marvel as well like the market has just been so oversaturated with not just movies but TV series as well and not just the sheer number of them all but like the fact that it's all tied in as well

like it means that you kind of you feel an obligation to try and watch everything to kind of keep up with everything but like a lot of people just can't be bothered to do that so if they see that there's all these TV series coming out and they're like, well, I'm not too fussed about this. And that's got a knock on effect, which is going to mean that, you know, they're not too first from watching the movies because they've missed out what set it up in the first place. Can I tell you, I've been, I've been in the last few weeks, I've been going back and watching older movies. And I, what I honestly think would be interesting to see, is the way we tell stories has changed

in a big way. It's not the same anymore. Case in point. I was watching I was watching Death Becomes Her. 1992, I believe, Zir came out. That movie introduces the characters and the plot seven minutes in. The movie is an hour 44. It does not want to follow around. Like, the reveal, So the reveal that when Goldie Haan gets killed and she stands back up after having a hole blown through her midsection and Merrill Streep makes the connection like, oh, you also took the weird potion that made your body stop aging and basically made you immortal.

Like they did that by showing like the same matching little pin on her shirt. And that's all you needed to see. We didn't need to see a flashback of Goldie Hahn's character going and seeing Isabella Russelini. we we just made the connection and fucking moved on and i feel like they don't like movies don't do that shit anymore like everything has to be yeah three hours long and it's like that's a tight one 44 is what that movie was and i was thoroughly entertained and i had the same experience the week before when i watched the witches of eastwick which had four fucking main characters and was an hour 30 some minutes you don't yeah i feel like we just like for some reason

filmmakers have decided that we can't trust the audience to follow like the show not see you know show not tell rule like and like absolutely yeah and like by show not tell I don't mean like you have to show the character like you know like how did they get here like well we have to show her getting up out of bed and then brushing her teeth and putting her clothes on and having breakfast and then walking out the front door and then getting in her car like you can trust people to make the assumption that she's here because she needs to be here for whatever reason you know yeah and i wonder if like if you were to take that approach because like superman was over two hours long you you reduce superman to an hour 44 and you tell the same story that you told in peacemaker in season two and you make it an hour and a half long movie can you get to the same point with half the money and keep people engaged because you're not asking them to dedicate a bunch of time to this because I wonder if that's going to be the trick because you brought up

like the old attention span thing is the trick going to be like all right cool people watch like TikToks and reels and like you know like professional wrestling for the most part now like viewership numbers are down because of how

they change how the ratings are reviewed but if you go on YouTube you can see like the highlight clips with millions of views in comparison to the hundreds of thousands who watched it live like is that going to be the trick we just have to tell stuff in a shorter amount of time yeah yeah i know from my personal point of view like i always uh like oh well not try to avoid but like i'm less inclined to watch a movie that's longer than say an hour 45 uh than i would if it was you know

time than that like if we're talking a movie that's like two hours or more it's like geez do i really want to commit that amount of time to watching this it has to be special it's hard work it has to be special like the last like really long movie that i enjoyed was um the denisville and ova dune movies saw those in theaters yeah yeah totally fine with the length felt it was fine i felt i liked nasferatu that was out last winter and i kind of felt Like, there are some things they could have condensed on that. You could, yeah, I mean, some characters could have gotten cut fucking entirely, and I don't think it would have hurt anything.

You know, like, what's, I guess my thing is, like, it sounds terrible to say, because I feel like you're criticizing the art of, like, oh, the art's too long, and you're not keeping people engaged, but it's like, keeping people engaged should also be part of the objective, because, you know, I'm sorry. Absolutely. I'm sorry to say this, but, like, you know, we don't. don't need to see a three hour long Batman movie like the Zach Snyder the extended Zach Snyder just as a movie was like what four and a half hours

long yeah why it didn't need to be that long it's a superhero movie for God's sake you know like I get okay I'll say this because it feels weird to do I think that people I I will love and support art and independent art and weird art because I think creativity important and that is it adds a spice to life is making things and creating things I'm not going to tell people

that your art is bad but I also will tell you that what you consider art shouldn't probably be considered art case and point I don't like it when people start calling professional wrestling an art form I don't think that's true I think that's kind of weird and it makes you sound really

pretentious to be like this is my art yeah it's like I mean you're kind of doing a weird short play, so I guess you could say it was an art form, but at the end of the day, the people you're trying to entertain are like everyday folks who are just trying to, you know, like, keep entertained for like seven minutes out of time. You don't have to be so grandiose about it. So I don't think that, you know, people got their nose out of joint when like Martin Scorsese said that like Marvel films are like abuse parks and roller, coasters. Like, they got really, like, bummed out about that. And we're, like, being really hateful towards him for, like, how dare you say that about that? As if it's a bad thing. Like, people like amusement parks. People like pop-boring flicks. You know, like, I don't think...

Exactly. I don't think, like, James Cameron's going to, like, hold Terminator 2 up against, like, Citizen Kane, you know? Like, at some point... I don't know. He is quite arrogant, so... That's very true. It's a bad example. Um, I, I guess like, I, I guess that's kind of the thing. Like, I, you know, I feel like some people get, there's a disconnect between the people who consider everything they do in a very overdramatic over the top. This is my art form. And like the people who want to watch like a 15 second long TikTok click, clip. And that's why the space in between is shrinking because those two sides are getting bigger. Yeah, yeah. I think we, we just need. to make things that are more accessible for, like, the biggest audience possible. Yeah. And which sounds like such an obvious thing to say, but, like, it doesn't feel like a lot of people are doing that and all sorts of, you know, like forms of entertainment right now.

So maybe that's something we should be aiming to get back to and work on. But yeah, enough for the people in charge to kind of, you know, make. make those decisions and bring us back to that point there is a i understand like the the power uh and this will be the last like anecdote that i tell i understand the power of nostalgia goggles so i'm talking about like how i watched the witches of eastwick in death becomes her in the last few weeks and i was amazed at how much more enjoyable it was to watch a movie that had a tight one hour 45 minute long time frame where we didn't waste time like the yeah the screenplay and the directing trusted me as the viewer to follow the story they were going to tell without having to explain it to death

you know like in the witches in the witches of eastwick there is no scene where they go oh my god we have magic powers they have a realization while they're playing tennis and they and it's them kind of giggling as they realize they're making the ball do weird shit but there's no over the top like let's state it plainly for everyone to know hey we're in eastwick and we appear to be witches we might be the witches the witches of eastwick i don't know but like i understand that like that's really important and really and like that to me is what's lost is that trust of the filmmaker who is making a movie for the purpose of entertainment and me as the audience member who wants to be entertained that's what i need that's why i think we've lost emphasis on

we don't need to make an art statement and I don't need to think of myself as some cultured person because I want to watch Jack Nicholson talk about how he wants to fuck share Michelle Pfeiffer and Susan Sarandon because, gosh, man, we fucking all do. That's just a fact of life. Jack Nicholson is like a demon maybe is the most relatable person in the whole movie. You're like, yeah, I too would like to do those things, I guess. But my point is I know it's not just nostalgia because I was thinking of, about like Halloween and things that as a kid I remember and I remembered like there was this movie that I saw as a kid that was about aliens who came to Earth on Halloween and like the whole

movie was like how some of them wanted to take over the earth and the others just wanted to leave and I go like I remember like thinking the alien design is really good and um I went and I looked it up and I was like, okay, the movie's called Spaced Invaders, and then I watched the trailer and I went, oh my God, I had one of those moments who were like, as I was a stupid child, like, why was I by this? This looks horrific. So I know it's not just me going, everything from the past is great, because like, I know there's quality. And I know myself well, I can judge quality, because I didn't think that spaced invaders was going to be like this amazing tour de force.

But anyway, this is my film recommendation for you, John. If you've not seen Spaced Invaders, try to find it. I've not seen it. Yeah. It's a Disney live-action movie that had pretty okay-looking alien designs, but they did that weird thing where in the 90s, there's always a character that looked and sounded like Jack Nicholson. So there was an alien that sounded like Jack Nicholson.

I don't know why, but it was. Beautiful. I will definitely look that. well speaking of movies john i think we'll go ahead and wrap this up if you're okay if there's no if there's a lasting point you want to make by all means feel free to no no i'm i'm i'm good okay so john um we know that you're getting dangerously close to a thousand movies and canonically it's november realistically it's october where are you at the moment Mm-hmm.

So I am now up to 950 movies for the year so far. Yeah, yeah, you're definitely hitting that thousand before the end of the year. I've just had a week off work, so that's definitely helped boost it up a little bit. So what is the last movie that you watched? the last movie I watched was a double impact the Jean-Claude Van Damme movie where he plays twins who are separated at birth basically and come back together to find the criminals who killed their parents and get some revenge I felt like there was a lot of movies that involved like twins being like reunited especially in that period of time obviously the best being Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito. Of course, yeah. They always threatened to make a sequel to that

called Triplets with Eddie Murphy being the third brother. I would have watched that. I would have been fun. So, John, where can they go to read your thoughts on double impact? They can head to Letterbox and find me at a big John And even though Dylan was not here in person, he is here in spirit.

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