The Smark Avengers - Has Modern Comics Lost the Plot?

Episode Date: June 5, 2026

It's time for another relaxed-fit episode as Corey, Dylan, and Jon sit down for a wide-ranging conversation about the current state of comic books, what's working, what isn't, and some of the stranger... directions Marvel and DC have taken recently. From Spider-Man to the X-Men, Iron Man to Lobo, no topic is safe as the guys bounce around the comic book landscape and share their thoughts on the stories, characters, and creative decisions that have caught their attention. 📚 Topics discussed include: The latest redesign for Mary Jane Watson's Venom persona The identity and future of Spider-Man villain Torment Thoughts on the current Iron Man comics Whether The Sentry is being used effectively The state of the X-Men line following recent events Why Lobo continues to be one of comics' most ridiculous characters The challenges and opportunities facing modern Marvel and DC The conversation also shifts beyond the Big Two as Corey reflects on what he's learned from five months of covering new comic releases on New Number Ones, including observations about smaller publishers and the kinds of books that deserve more attention from readers. Is modern comics in a healthy place? Are publishers making the most of their best characters? And have comic fans become harder to please than ever? Tune in as the Smark Avengers crew tries to make sense of it all. 💬 Join the discussion: What do you think is the biggest problem facing comics today? Or are things better than fans give them credit for? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy comic book discussions and industry talk 🔔 Subscribe for weekly comic book podcasts, character deep dives, rankings, tournaments, and more Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

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Starting point is 00:00:03 Like, all the dog. Easter, the hot dogs might have to chop. Here's the thing, and I want to point this out to you. The same episode that it was just the two of you talking about Katie Perry was also the same episode where you guys were just talking about hot dogs for a while.
Starting point is 00:00:20 So if I leave you to your own device, yeah. If I leave you two to your own devices long enough, you're going to talk about Katie Perry in space and hot dogs. Well, at the time, yes, in our defense. Kitty Perry and space It was quite recent to you. Yes.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Which makes it weird. And also not a fact. Well, we keep making fun of it now because it's a funny thing that happened. It's like if you stop and think about it, it's like a really bizarre thing that happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you mean? I can imagine in like 2015, Britney Spears went to space. Like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:00:58 Why Britney Spears would go to space? Her heyday was 15 years ago. Why the fuck would Kitty Perger to space? doesn't make any sense. But second of all, right, it already depends again. Hot dogs are delicious. We just said you can have them all year round.
Starting point is 00:01:12 You can talk about them all year on. Everybody, welcome to Smart Avengers. His name is Corey with me. He's Dylan and John. How's it going, guys? How much that's going to be in it? I don't know. We'll figure that out.
Starting point is 00:01:27 We'll figure that out. So, yeah, how's it going? Good. Not too bad. So yeah, welcome to the show. Last episode, we had a pretty, kind of an in-depth discussion on The Watchmen and talked about like socioeconomic factors and literary devices. And I thought maybe it would be fun to sort of have, I guess, more of a relaxed fit episode to follow that up with. So, yeah. Yeah. So we're just kind of going to just hang out and kind of shoot the shit for a little bit.
Starting point is 00:02:06 it, I think. Yeah. Last episode was very academic. Yes. We had a lot of cool questions. We got to guide.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Neither of us were prepared for. Yeah, but we bullshitted our way through it pretty well, I think. Much like school. Much like school. Yeah, none of the questions, none of the questions are about hot dogs.
Starting point is 00:02:30 I think the difference is that you guys actually did the reading this time. unlike school I watched a movie so I was like the cliff notes version you know I happened to be I was like assigned Arabian nights
Starting point is 00:02:48 in college and we had to talk about it the next day and this guy very confidently was asked like what was the main like function of the story and he he's like, oh yeah, yeah, that's like, oh, yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the girl has to tell us a different story every night to the, the, the, the Sultan or whatever, right? And, like, she has to, like, do it to get her freedom. And, uh, my professor was just like, well, thank you for informing me that you just watched the cartoon, uh, because she had to tell him a story after they had sex, because after he slept with a concubine, he had them executed. And he was, she was telling them a story. to give him a cliffhangers so that he would invite her back the next night.
Starting point is 00:03:37 Pretty clever. Yeah, it's like, yeah, you watch the cartoon version, because I don't think the cartoon's going to involve that particular part of the story. One version of the cartoon does put that in, but it's a lot. It's a pop name Scooby-Doo version? Yes, there's graphic, graphic sex.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Yeah, unnecessary sex, I would say. It puts a new meaning to Zoinks. Yeah. I don't know why they had to make Scooby-Doo doing all the pocket, and that was bizarre. Well, it was also that the Sultan was just watching as well. Like, that was what was weird. Yeah, it was just observing. I don't know. We should probably move on from that. How much of that sticking in? Oh, boy, hard to tell.
Starting point is 00:04:20 No, so. Scooby-Doo, but I. Yeah, right. I remember that actually happened again, but it happened previously. We were reading Christmas Carol, and we had a podcast. quiz on it and um my friend kind of accidentally exposed that he'd only watched the muppat christmas carol because it was like who's the first ghost that visited marty ghost exactly because he's like who's the first who's the first ghost that visited evernees or scrooge he said jacob and bob marley like hold on also it wasn't bob marley because that is the yeah reggae uh yes yes it was
Starting point is 00:04:58 Jacob and oh man who is the other one was it Robert no oh man I love that film oh now we're in some deep territory yeah I mean it was Robert is it
Starting point is 00:05:13 is it Jacob and Robert Marley I thought it might be Robert Marley yeah I want to say Robert Robert that might be Robert that sounds right but in the book it's just Jacob but like we as well, we used to watch them up with me and my family.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Watched them up. Yeah, it's Jacob and Robert. We watched it every year. And I think, like three years ago, we found the 71 ghost. You never read the actual version or seen any other version of Christmas Carol? No. Fair enough, I guess.
Starting point is 00:05:50 I know what happened. Whatever. I know. Well, you know. It's a little different. I used to work in mortar stones. And the guy, it was over Christmas And the guy ran in
Starting point is 00:06:00 And I was like, do you guys have that book That's about Scrooge? I'm like, Christmas Carl? He's like, no, you idiot? The one about Scrooge? I'm like, it's called the Christmas Carl He's like, oh, you have it? I'm like, yes, of course we have a fucking
Starting point is 00:06:12 Mortarstone this Christmas. What are you kidding me? You have fucking Christmas? I think so. Do you know who? Let me double check. You know who Paul F. Tompkins is, right? I do.
Starting point is 00:06:25 He has a joke about working. at like a hat store and yes yeah so you know yep let me try on that king hat you mean a crown no they king hat familiar with that as well sure so to steer us back into the realm of comic book discussion oh yeah not not that I'm opposed to talking about the Muppets I could talk about the Muppets for ever really were the work of Jim Henson. Really, one thing I showed you guys earlier this week was they have, it's official, I saw preview images of it a few, like a month or so ago, but like on page now officially, Mary Jane Watson has had a costume change as Venom.
Starting point is 00:07:15 And it is something to say the very least on the matter. So what are your thoughts on the new Mary Jane Venom? look. I think all of us as full-blooded males were saying, you know what's cool about what's not cool about goopy old space venom? Not enough tits.
Starting point is 00:07:36 He's not sexy enough. Needs tits and hair. Yeah, and heels. Heels for no reason at all. No other clothes. But heels, yes. Heels are very poor. Does venom have your shoes? No. I still don't know why. Lady venom.
Starting point is 00:07:53 I still don't know why. I still don't know why. the gold accent in his look as well. Like he has like gold eyes and like the symbol is gold. I don't get that. Yeah. Does it have something to do with the whole? Because I know that the reason that Mary Jane's bonded with Venom is because of like what happened with her when she was like jackpot, which is still a bizarre fucking thing.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Can't people just be like normal people in the comics? Not everybody needs to have a fucking hero moment. anyway yeah I'm still bothered by the human teeth I'm not bothered about that I tell you what I am bothered about
Starting point is 00:08:33 is that in the picture you showed us yeah she says we are venom yeah so like okay cool so is that the dumb thing about venom for a long time
Starting point is 00:08:48 is that originally it was quite clearly like a symbiote relationship yeah the ven that connects to the person live off and do stuff and in return
Starting point is 00:09:03 the person gets to be venom that's like the relationship the group wouldn't really survive on earth or or have mobility yeah really that you feel like that's the way it should be that's history has proven that none of that to be correct because if the goop disappears in venom
Starting point is 00:09:20 it'll just find him or whatever so the mobility thing's lost. You can get around in Earth's atmosphere, no problem. All of that's lost, but forget all that. You know, but because it was a symbiotic relationship, it meant that whenever it was connected with Eddie Brock, it became like one. So it would call itself weak to buy
Starting point is 00:09:42 because it's the combination of Eddie Brock and the symbiate. And part of that as well was to show, like the, either the weak willness of Eddie Brock or his own willingness to let the symbiote take over himself. The whole point of Peter Parker getting rid of the symbiote was he didn't want it to take him over. Eddie Brock was completely okay with the symbiote taking him over because it gave him the power to whip up Spider-Man.
Starting point is 00:10:12 And therefore he was very happy to say we are vet him because we're a team. Yeah. We're literally adjoining. and I feel like I haven't been keeping up too religiously with modern venom because, you know, it's been a fucking slog. But, you know, am I reading into that a little bit too much? Or did they just call, did they just say, we are venom with Murray GM because they just think that's what venom says? Like, no symbolism, no, like, reason for that. They just think, well, venom says we, so.
Starting point is 00:10:49 Well, there you go. So this is Mary Jane and a post-Paul thing. Like, she did break up with him, but, like, he was murdered. I don't... I'm not reading it myself, but I am also kind of curious if it's supposed to imply that with Paul's death, she's more willing to give more of herself to the venom symbiate. And, like, that's why the costume changing is that that's more of a... making it her own.
Starting point is 00:11:21 What you're saying is, now that Paul is dead, she has to fill that void. But Paul somehow, and she's chosen the venom symbiote to fill up a... What we're saying is she's fucking the symbiote, yeah? There was a comment... The symbiates in her alive, though, at the moment, so... Well, also, like, there was, like, early in the run.
Starting point is 00:11:44 I remember seeing the panels where Paul was complaining that they hadn't been intimate, because it felt weird because he knew that Venom was there the whole time now. And he wasn't. He felt like he was fucking Venom. That's what, yeah, that it was like an unintentional three-way. That's interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Yeah. You know, I'm going to say that that's probably a side of Venom that nobody wanted to explore. Nobody needed to know that. nobody yeah no no thank you no need for that but thank you to whoever wrote that for just writing that in anyway yeah yeah yeah sometimes comics are really bad about introducing little throwaway things like that that i guess are meant to be comic relief but just if you think a little too much about it it makes uncomfortable i think i tell you this man every time we i feel like every time we've done like
Starting point is 00:12:40 a little kind of like episode where we're just kind of like cheating the shit and being more relaxed and spitball and stuff. We always end up coming back to Venom. Well, I think honestly, sometimes when I come into these episodes knowing it's going to be a relaxed thing, I like to have a couple of ideas of things to talk about that I know is something that the both of you would be very opinionated on. And so, like, the Spider-Man world is one of those things. So I always, Venom always has something weird going on these days. So I'd say it's kind of low, low fruit.
Starting point is 00:13:14 I mean, it is. It's just frustrating that, like, this, I feel like this is, like, the third or fourth one in a row we've done, where it's still been, like, this Mary Jane ban of bullshit. And it's not gotten any better. It's just not gotten any better. And I don't know if it... I mean, I think they just revealed who torment is, by the way, and it's just seemingly some guy. I don't think it's... I don't think it was, like, a big shocking reveal.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Did he have any kind of connection to, like, Peter or Mary Jane? or anything. Yeah, it was a shocker. He's me like Vanham's brother or whatever. He's a deranged serial killer named Graham. What? Since childhood, Graham's mind was overwhelmed by psychic spirals of light that connected people to all of their relatives, filling his head with noise.
Starting point is 00:14:08 He discovered that killing the family members connected to those spirals, quieted the noise, and cleared his mind. Driven by an obsession with these family trees, he hunts down intertwined lineages. He was later manipulated by the carnage symbiated by the carnage symbiates. which fed him the names of his ultimate targets, Peter, Mary Jane, and Eddie Brock. So there you go. So, now that we know that, you could say, oh, maybe we're just jumping ahead.
Starting point is 00:14:33 We haven't read the story. We don't understand the context. I would argue we don't need to understand the context because, you know, we can all go around the table and just say what we think. I'm going to say, personally, that I think this sounds stupid. What do you guys think? I mean the thing is like we probably be saying it sounds stupid
Starting point is 00:14:56 if it was someone connected to like Peter and Mary Jane like if it was say like you know Aunt May or something that would be pretty shit can you imagine
Starting point is 00:15:12 who it was out of May I mean I killed his shocker almost married Dr. Octopus. Why not? That's funny. It was her the whole time.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Oh my God. Dude, if they revealed the anime, it was actually like the most... Like, she knew who Spider-Man was, and she was an evil supervillain who just beat the shit of Spider-Man for no reason. And he had no idea for like 50 years. I mean, it's a twist that movie's so good. I mean, it's a twist that no one would see you coming.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Yeah, it's true. I feel like that's a better reveal and going, let's see who the murder really is. It's just the fact that it's just a guy. It's just a guy named Graham. I don't even know if you need to do like a dramatic reveal. I mean, it's just some guy. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:16:11 Like if you're going to have a mystery, the payoff needs to be worth it. And I don't feel like the payoff being it's Graham, who doesn't even have a last name by the looks of it. It just doesn't feel like, His first name is really bland as well. Like, Graham is not the kind of name that screams. Oh, this guy is really interesting.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Yeah. Yeah, I just, yeah, it's... Graham. Yep. Sounds like a serial killer, though. He does, yeah. I'll give him that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:46 But I want to real quick. Just also, I do want to point out... I do want to point out something really quick as well. The main reason he killed Shocker, was, A, he was associated to Mary Jane somehow that we found out through, yeah, it's still weird to do, to have it, like, this one dude just related to marry Jane for some reason.
Starting point is 00:17:04 And it just never come up in conversation. Like, oh, yeah, you were married to Peter Parking. You were like, oh, hey, by the way, did you know that my third cousin is the Shocker? Like, small fucking world. We're in New York, city of millions. Anyway, the reason he killed Shocker was to get his gauntlets, and they were already been taken off of him.
Starting point is 00:17:23 Oh, oops. Yeah, so Paul, Paul damaged one of them with a knife, and then spider carnage. That's why I just read, destroyed the other one. So Shocker died for nothing, essentially. Oh, damn it. It sounds about right for him. What I was going to say, a bite,
Starting point is 00:17:46 that's about right for him. That's a bit, harsh. It's a bit. We did a whole episode of Arnard. We did, and he's the loser, but that's why we like him. He's a loser now because he died, but whenever he was alive, he did. He was a loser when he was alive.
Starting point is 00:18:03 He had cool gauntlets, and he had a skateboard. Yeah, all sorts of things rolling for him. He was married to somebody who knows Murray Jean. That's pretty cool. Yeah. You know? She's one of them these days. I was going to say real quick, because we have a habit of,
Starting point is 00:18:21 not you talking about venom, but also finding the way back to one of the goblins. I was going to say that, like, we covered this in like the Hobgoblin episode or whatever, but the beauty of the reveal of the hobgoblin,
Starting point is 00:18:38 or at least the mystery around the hobgoblin, was that whenever they started doing that, they had a lot of, like, insular characters around that had into the story in Little parts but weren't like the focus of the story that once the mystery of the hobgoblin became a thing like who is he there were a lot of um unanswered potentials yeah there were a lot of like oh it could be
Starting point is 00:19:06 this guy because of this or it could be this guy because of this it wasn't just like oh it's fucking carl like there was mystery to it and again they probably fucked up by leaving it too late but the the the the trills were there there was like breadcrumbs that could lead you to you down several different paths so that whenever it was property revealed at some point you go oh okay I see that whereas with this
Starting point is 00:19:30 they seemed like they were building some sort of tension and some sort of mystery and hiking it significantly because of all the murders and stuff like you know Spider-Man needs to solve this mystery ASAP or else he might kill more shockers you know lady shocker might kill loads
Starting point is 00:19:47 of people shocker and then for the yeah exactly baby shocker you know um was that there's a mini and cmll that's gimmick is he's a little shocker is like it shockercito you know just thought i contribute uh anyway continue so yeah like that just seemed like a letdown because there's no mystery or intrigue to it yeah and that's a shame lo i i i see hobgoblins still kind of like bonging around in the comics these days i'm like i don't know man i don't read spider-money more because it's just not fun to me anymore. I wonder
Starting point is 00:20:26 like, when was the last time it was fun for me? Yeah, it's been a while. A long time ago, man. So is that just like, so I know, John, I know you still read a lot of trades and stuff. Are you reading just for the completionist aspect of it? Or is it just I always read Spider-Man, so therefore I will continue to read
Starting point is 00:20:48 Spider-Man, like? Well, it's a bit of both, really. Like, I am pretty close to having every episode, every issue of Spider-Man, or amazing Spider-Man, I should say, collected in graphic novels. So, like,
Starting point is 00:21:08 I didn't want to stop now. Yeah. But then there is, like, because he has been, like, my favorite character for pretty much the entire time I've been reading comics. So I don't want to give up on it just because it's bad. it's a bit like wrestling in that sense like even though there's been some pretty terrible years
Starting point is 00:21:31 you kind of stick with it and then hope it's going to get good again or maybe there's like some sliver of goodness in amongst all the shit as well which kind of keeps you going yeah um yeah okay let me ask you this real quick right now in the current stuff that you're reading is it is it is it one of those things where there's a sliver of goodness in it keeps you reading? Or is it one of those things you're like, it's bad, but you just hope that it's going to get better in like half a year or so? I mean, I haven't read the newest volume yet. The last one I read was the one with like the gang war and stuff going on. And that was all right. It wasn't terrible. The stuff before that was pretty bad. And that was very much a
Starting point is 00:22:25 case of waiting for something good to happen and it was you know waiting a long time and what was what was the last one before the gang war uh i think that was the beyond stuff possibly where um yeah ben riley takes over a spider man for a little bit okay which kind of leads to him becoming chasm and then I think the run before that was like the was that an expensive one where there was it was all about kindred and whatever the fuck that was about I still had no idea so beyond corporation
Starting point is 00:23:07 is beyond corporation is currently one of the bads in the adjectivless X-Men book right now yeah because they're they're currently they've hired these mercenaries that are calling themselves danger room that have sort of set up a trap to, like, kill off the X-Men and also, like, reinvigorate, like, the hatred of humans to mutants kind of thing. Your boy, Glob Hervin got, like, shot and is, like, bleeding out, and, like, they're trying to... He might be dying as a result of it.
Starting point is 00:23:42 Have a question. Yeah. Have a question. How can he bleed out? Well, he just has a waxy exterior. I mean, he's not, like, inhuman. No, you can literally see his organs. Yeah, you don't see his blood.
Starting point is 00:23:56 He doesn't have any blood. Now, Sutton's leaking out of him. It's, like, in the Grand Morrison, when you see him, like, picking parts of his body off and, like, turn him into fire. Yeah, no, he doesn't have blood. Something's leaking out of him. Because that was part of the plan was to piss off Idy and Quentin so that they go into a, like, basically a rage on the civilians of the city.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Well, you know, Paris seems to get. expensive these days. I've also been... Real quick, before we go back to that, sorry to interrupt, before we go back to that, John, I don't know if you would be interested. I would be interested in, like, maybe not buying it, but finding a way to read
Starting point is 00:24:40 that kindred stuff, because I'm like, that feels like some sort of bullshit we need to talk about, doesn't it? Oh, do we have to? Doesn't that sound a little bit like some kind of pangue and some bullshit? Like... I mean, maybe... if we talked about it,
Starting point is 00:24:57 it would help me get my head around like what actually happened and... Exercise. How it all fits together. Yeah. Yeah, except closure. Get over, you know? Maybe, but I don't really want to revisit it.
Starting point is 00:25:12 That's the problem. Okay. It was so dull and so poorly executed. Oh, like, I will say it seemed poorly executed, but it also seemed like the one thing they tried to do is not make it dull, where like everybody fucking bought each other and stuff like that. There's demons from hell and shit, robots.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Yeah, I guess. Well, okay, you hunt it down. You give it a read and then you let me know. Yeah, I tell you what, let's do this. If I can find it and I can read it for like a cheap or preferably free price, let's talk about that sometime. I reckon I could hook you up with it for free. Hello.
Starting point is 00:25:53 There you go. I like the sign of that. You also have to hook Corey up with it for free as well, so that we all go through the same pain. Mm-hmm. Okay. Pretty fair. Yeah, I'll read Spider-Man.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Oh, even bad Spider-Man, though. Oh. I'm not a huge Spider-Man fan, so there's, you know, what's the difference? You'll know. Anyway, no, that's fine. I don't mind doing that. There was reading of things that were seemingly interesting on paper, but not sure.
Starting point is 00:26:25 sure how I'm feeling about it. I've been reading the current Ironman run, which is like really aim heavy, which feels like a bit of a... Because this is the follow-up to... Remember I was telling you, there's that weird Iron Man run where he had a giant sword, and you're like, why the fuck does he have a sword?
Starting point is 00:26:42 Well, they, you know, the new creative team that took on after that and relaunched it with the number one, decided just to go back to basics. And it's just Tony Stark with a suit, some women troubles, and dealing with aim. Um, not a horse. No horse yet. Um, but they did introduce a new citizen V.
Starting point is 00:27:04 Okay. And like, no way. Yeah. So there's a new citizen V. And it's implied to be someone who like, I'm going to go and take a stab. I'm going to say it's black night. Oh. That's the horse.
Starting point is 00:27:21 There's the horse. Yeah. Because it, because they were like, because they ruled out that it was, uh, Zemo again. Because they're like, yeah, no, he's not been seen since Doom killed him. And this character, when he's appeared, he, like, talks, like, he's very familiar with Tony Stark. He's familiar with, like, a lot of the stuff. And he's also wearing over at the Citizen V costume instead of a cape, like the Zemo version, he's wearing a brown leather jacket with an Avengers patch on the arm.
Starting point is 00:27:51 And kind of like the Black Knight wore back in the 90s. So, yeah, that's, I'm thinking it's Black Knight. as the new citizen. Do you think that's like too telegraphy? Might be, but also like, I'm not putting it past Marvel
Starting point is 00:28:04 to be blatant about shit at this point. Because like, they killed Fischer. Because like at the end of the first arc, they killed Fixer and introduced this character as the kind of anti-Toney Stark as the new leader of aim.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Okay. Because like he was introduced at the beginning of the arc is like he won this competition for like, funding on a project to you know basically Tony Stark was like I'm going to look for the new me and Madam Mask was like that's a great idea and then abducts him and tortures them to try to get him to
Starting point is 00:28:38 recreate the Iron Man origin of being held hostage and inventing something spectacular to get out of it and yeah like you said it's I'm not sure how I feel about the run it seems like it's fine so far
Starting point is 00:28:54 I'll probably keep reading it but like it does feel like a kind return to Roots Iron Man and not trying to be too cute about it. No swords? No, well, no, he says and Vs. Okay. I don't know how I feel about that being the Black Knight. I thought it might not be.
Starting point is 00:29:17 I guess that I was just my theory. But also like what's the Black Knight up to these days? Black Knight was last. No, no. Yeah, no. Like the last time they featured Black Knight, they played with this idea that like, Basically, his self-loathing and depression is the curse.
Starting point is 00:29:34 And they came up with a new Black Knight that he was, like, sharing the responsibility with. So it was, like, him, and there's, like, a female version of Black Knight. So, yeah. Always a female version. Always female version. Is your baby version? Not yet. But, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:52 It was really, it was such a weird, like, run as well. I, I, I remember, like, it was, like, playing up to this idea that, like, Black Knight was actually secretly loathed and, like, despised by other members of the Avengers and I'm like when did this characterization come about? Yeah, that's a bit odd. It was a bit weird. The other run that I was giving a couple issues to
Starting point is 00:30:17 that I think I'm going to stop is Paul Jenkins is writing another century mini. And it's fine, but again, it's for, the century has like one story, to tell. He's kind of like a superpowered version of
Starting point is 00:30:39 Warren Worthington the third. And like so that this miniseries, the whole thing is just like, what if I'm actually the void all the time now? And I just don't realize it and playing like he's kind of just pretending to be happy normal century. But in reality is like just lying to himself.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Okay. And is, yeah, it's, it was, I read the two issues of it. It was really, really dialogue heavy. and I just found myself not terribly invested. Well, okay, but is that because, like you said, you think the sentry is kind of like a one-note kind of character? Yeah, I don't think he's doing any...
Starting point is 00:31:19 I mean, Paul Jenkins, like, invented the character, but I also don't feel like he's doing anything new with him. Yeah. There's not much you can do with him. Yeah. Like, so, yeah, it's like, it's Bob. He's back. He's seemingly normal.
Starting point is 00:31:32 He's got a wife again. He's got a dog. You know, he... there was an interesting moment where he appeared as the void and basically made the kingpin shit himself um and like flooded this island of like very wealthy people whilst like making sure that the regular workers were safe but like swept all the billionaires out into the ocean um why would the void yeah that's what's kind of weird about it because it seemingly like because like there was a previous century miniseries before this that was playing with the idea of the century in the void merging
Starting point is 00:32:11 into like one being and we had this like black-haired version of century as a result of it but obviously they didn't really want to continue on with that idea and we're back to them being very split but maybe not so split i don't know i just didn't think there was like enough there and keep me interested okay yeah i don't know but the century either i feel like that's a one to like that's kind of why you don't really see him a lot because you're like well what what do you do with him I mean that's what do you put him in new Avengers in mighty Avengers back in in the day was every time they come up against a threat they had to come up with a creative way to take century out of the fight otherwise he would have taken care of the fight exactly like
Starting point is 00:32:59 that's the end of the fight you know and that's a shame that's like a bad kind of character to have because then like you said every issue is just like well how do we get rid of the century and then do the rest of the story yeah i mean i guess it allows them to be sort of creative though and finding different ways to take him out of the picture so then he's not just saving the day or the whole time yeah uh century you're tiddly win competitions on this week fuck i forgot about it it just flies off like ha sucker it's not till next week let me kill civilians or whatever What other stuff of it? I was like going through a bunch of stuff.
Starting point is 00:33:42 I've been reading the Cyclops miniseries. That's been pretty good. Okay. The whole premise on that one where he's been sort of mutated into some sort of weird monster thing. No, no. Actually a Cyclops. That's in the X-Men run right now. That's part of that danger room story I was telling you about.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Basically like an organic living, it's like an organic living ship. has possessed him and the other members of the X-Men is saved for Beast. And, like, the last issue, the, the last issue, the cliffhanger is Beast realizing that the creature is a newborn and just is scared and doesn't understand what's going on. So, like, Beast is in full pacifist mode. So, like, there's good Beast who, like, is not really wanting to engage in combat and everything. He just wants to invent stuff and, like, support the team.
Starting point is 00:34:30 And then there's the white beast that is the one from Krakoa slash evil beast that is ahead of 3K. So that... Do you ever establish that 3K for you? I don't remember. They might have,
Starting point is 00:34:45 but I don't think it was important enough that for me to commit it to memory. Let's see. Is it like 3000? Like, is it that kind of thing? Or is it like...
Starting point is 00:34:56 Oh, yeah, no, you're right. It's number 3,000. Is it? Yep, 3000. Good job. 3,000 watt. Thank you. Let me take a look
Starting point is 00:35:09 to see if I could find it. So the year the organization plans to completely replace humanity with mutankind, and in Roman numerals, three M's, which stands for Make More Mutants. Wow. So they thought, I tell you what, like, they put it some... They wanted to wait a week. Yeah, 3,000. They got plenty of time, dude. No, you got Beast. Let me ask you this real quick. So we were talking with two different Cyclopsis, sir. So obviously Cyclops, where he's merged with a thing is in current X-Men, but the other Cyclops books, It's a solo Cyclops book? Yeah, it's a solo cyclops book.
Starting point is 00:35:43 It's a mini-series. Basically, with that one, he is stranded in the woods with the Revers and his visor's been snapped. So he's like, he can't open his eyes or he's going to destroy everything in front of him. How does this work, like timeline? Does this come before the mod, like the X-on one? Yeah, I mean, it's implied that it's taking place concurrently. I can't take place concurrently because Cyclops is at both of them.
Starting point is 00:36:10 well yeah but it's also like how does wolverine in the avengers and x-force and x-men as well it's like it's in the same period of time not at the exact same time yeah but that's but that's different because in one of those issues wolverine just doesn't have like no face yeah but like the panels that you saw was like it literally had just happened to him so it's not like this has been like an ongoing multi-issue arc where cyclops is part monster now yeah okay i'm just wondering like because it seems like this solo X-Men thing or the solo Cyclops thing seems like it takes place like slightly before. I think so. Current X-Men thing.
Starting point is 00:36:47 Yeah, I think so. They've not really established that. Like, that's the problem with all of these X-Men books they have going on at the moment. There's just a bunch of mini-series, and there's no, like, real, um, real order in which they're occurring in. So, like, there's that one. That makes sense. There's a Magic and Colossus one that's happening at the same time as well, and that one's mainly magic and Colossus. in Russia, dealing with, like, all of these Russian folklore characters that have come to life, while also, like, honestly, it feels kind of like a book that's meant to bully Colossus, because it's all about, like, magic getting really fed up with his protectiveness and his self-loathing.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Okay. Yeah. So it's like every issue, there's at least one series of panels of her, like, getting really frustrated with him going, I, you shouldn't have to live this way. this is my fault. I know I'm a terrible. I've done horrible things. It's, you know, I like, I like, I like, I like, oh, this is fun that see someone take this particular avenue of, like, Baba Yagas and Koshav, uh, the, what is it? Cushchev, uh, the, what is the Cushchev's? Yeah, it doesn't matter. Regardless, all of these are Russian folklore characters and doing things with them. Um, but at the same time, like, it is kind of a tiring story arc because,
Starting point is 00:38:13 uh, magic is kind of being presented that she has no. laws. This is, it's in to me, Corey. When are we going to do an episode where we just talk about Russian literature? Well, here's the problem. We can talk about Russian literature. We talk about Russian folklore. I'd be happy to do both.
Starting point is 00:38:33 I was actually about to do a reread of the Master of Martyrita. So we can make that happen. Oh, my God. I love that book. It's a great book. I love that book. It's one of my favorite books. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:44 No. Have you ever read Dead Souls? Have you ever read Dead Souls by a. Nikolai Golgol? No. You would like it. It's very similar to Master Margarita. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:57 I really like that book. John, if you've ever read it, it's pretty good. I have not read any of these. I have not read a book. John has watched over 500 movies so far this year. It doesn't have time to read books. He doesn't have time to read books. He's a sophisticated man.
Starting point is 00:39:17 He's not reading trashy-ass books for me. I just saw the other day on his letterbox he'd watch Despicable Me 1 and 2. And 3 and 4. Why? Why did you do that to yourself? Why not? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:43 I mean, if you're going to watch one, you might as well watch all four. Yeah, no. There's nothing wrong watching Despicable Me one and two. If that's what you're into, Like, you know, you can't always be high braw your film. Sometimes you got out to get it.
Starting point is 00:39:58 I mean, I'm going to judge. I was just there, like, to see if John had watched some of the, like, terrible horror movies I've been watching recently. And I was just like, at the time, it was like, one of your most recent watch movies. I was, okay, all right. What happened? Wait, is the fourth one out? Yeah. I mean, how would I have watched it if it isn't?
Starting point is 00:40:15 I don't know. What happened in the fourth one? Can we spoil? Is the spoilers? I can't even remember what happened in it. It's been out if it is spoilers. Not been happening. John can't remember. What did happen?
Starting point is 00:40:35 I can't remember. That's a really good film. Yeah. Four stars. Slam dunk. Jesus, crazy, man. Yeah. I will say it's not me
Starting point is 00:40:47 like deliberately watching these movies. It's just like kicking them off the kind of say that I've watched him and reviewed him and then... Yeah, no, I get it. It's totally cool. I get it. Yeah, you have watched this Pickle of Me at some point. You didn't just go through a Despickel Me Marathon recently.
Starting point is 00:41:05 No, I'd watched it before, but I hadn't logged it before. So that's the reason why. I think we all know what the thumbnail is going to be. John watched the Spickleman. me. Dylan and I dressed like minions sitting on the couch beside him.
Starting point is 00:41:30 Yeah, like really bored. Well, let's watch movies. Have you watched the minions? Yeah, I've watched one of them. I, well, I think there's two minions movies. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:41:48 God, man. I think there's two of them. Oh, John. Hello, have you watched the Mario film? I've seen the first one, but not the second one. Is they made by the same people who make despicable me? Yeah, the animation is pretty good in them. I watched the second one recently because I wanted to watch it in the cinema.
Starting point is 00:42:13 And I haven't been to the cinema in a long time, and I thought, well, what better film to go to the cinema to go see than the second Super Mario film? and it was a mixed bag I'm going to say that if you ever get around to watching it I will say this about that film
Starting point is 00:42:32 I thought in the Super Mario film there would be more Super Mario Okay I feel like he has like I don't know it just feels like he has like 20 lines of dialogue in like an hour now to what you mean Is that not a good thing?
Starting point is 00:42:50 though considering Chris Pratt was not exactly doing a Mario voice. Everybody's so darned in Chris Pratt being Mario and I'm like, I think he's fine. I think he's just fine. You know, they probably could have got somebody better. I do care. But also, like, he's
Starting point is 00:43:06 not terrible. He's kind of fun. You know? That's what you want a Mario voice to be. It's weird if it is Bob Koskins, I think we can all agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That maybe was a slightly weird a choice. but yeah
Starting point is 00:43:21 I don't know it feels like he could have at least put on some kind of accent it's Mario for goodness sake yeah but also like it's all weird you know um
Starting point is 00:43:32 it's like it's an Italian plumber from Brooklyn who goes down a pipe and needs mushrooms and shit you're like I think then it goes to space with a dinosaur
Starting point is 00:43:40 you're like we can just take a pitch of salt with this I don't think it matters like yeah when you put it like that you know what never mind
Starting point is 00:43:49 yeah But it's fun It's a nice film But it's also like I feel like Like Bowser and Bowser Jr. Got way more dialogue than Mario did
Starting point is 00:44:00 I'm like this is his film I don't know Anyway I just thought that would be a fun Sidebar Just because you've been watching Despicable Me I thought you might have watched Mario But
Starting point is 00:44:12 Not yet I will You can cut all this bit out if you want Because it's a fanci just because it's not good. That's a relaxed fit episodes. What we're here for. Yeah, well, it's also the colleagues. Yeah, so
Starting point is 00:44:29 other stuff I was reading, I read the first two issues of the Lobo comic. That was pretty fun. Arts been really, the arts really good, Scotty Young. I love Scottie Young. Oh, yeah, it's really good. It's good stuff.
Starting point is 00:44:43 He's so good. What comic is this? Lobo. Oh, cool. Yep, so it's... I should check it. I want to. Yeah, I gotta check his, though. The art's been fun.
Starting point is 00:44:54 The whole first issue is picking fun of the whole, like, um, anti-hero. Because, like, Lobo is annoyed with the fact that anti-heroes are a thing, even though he is one. Yeah. Uh, he ends up getting a reality show that's all about just following him around being a bounty hunter. But it's in space. His logo looks cool. Yeah, no, it's really good. Wow.
Starting point is 00:45:17 It was a real fun, uh, the first two issues are real fun. Third issues out this week. or two weeks ago. I would... Is he writing a hand drawn up? Yeah. Very nice. Yeah, yeah, it's real fun.
Starting point is 00:45:31 There's the new Zatana comic out that's great if you like Satana. It's the same guy who's been writing her for the last few years, so real good handle on the character. There's a new Justice League one shot that I think ties into the upcoming DC Pride series. But it's like a Justice League that's like set in space and like Green Arrow is a member of it. and part of the joke is that he doesn't want to be part of it. Okay. Yeah. So that's fine.
Starting point is 00:45:59 It was okay. But I mean, like, I don't think it's a book it's going to particularly sell well because I think, like, the team members of the book are Star Sapphire, uh, Adam Strange, Green Arrow, a character named Galaxy that I think debuted in the pride issues in like some of their young adult stuff that they've been putting out. and she's like sort of a alien princess who has like light bending powers and then Dreamer who is a character that they introduced in the CW shows and then kind of have been using her sporadically and her whole deal is like
Starting point is 00:46:37 kind of a pre-cog who can like travel through the dream space where basically if you're like taking a nap she could use you as a vessel to pop in and out. Oh okay? Yep. Yeah, like I said, it's not exactly a star-studded lineup book. but it was a fine one shot. That was good? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:02 Oh, Dylan, I will tell you, if you're going to look for something else, there is a mini-series that just started at Dark Horse. It was almost the pick of the week for the new number ones. It's called Hidden Springs. And basically, a retirement community of, like, former celebrities finds a baby kaiju, and they have to get this giant larva monster back into the ocean before the U.S. government finds it first.
Starting point is 00:47:32 So it's a bunch of old people and a giant baby monster. It was really funny. There's a character that's clearly meant to be Ozzy Osbourne. Good stuff. Hidden Springs? Hidden Springs. Okay. What was the other book you told me about by the way?
Starting point is 00:47:49 Lobo. Hidden Springs. No. not okay the Russian book Dead Souls by Nikolai Golga yeah Nikolai Golg
Starting point is 00:48:04 not Golga that's John Tenta I thought he's dead He can write a book from beyond the grave Okay I'll write those time Remember them In the feature
Starting point is 00:48:21 Yeah Kind of going back to the world of the X-Men real quick. I know that Gambit is getting weird curse powers now. I showed you guys a panel where he's got dragon wings now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:37 He's like getting possessed and it's going to be a focal point coming up in the storyline where basically I think Gail Simo did interview recently. He was like, yeah, Gambit messed around with magic and he doesn't really know it or understand it. Now he's kind of paying the consequences for it.
Starting point is 00:48:52 Yeah. I mean, I would say that I, and again, I haven't read it. I like Gil-Simum, so it might be really good. I'm also going to say that I like the idea of Gambit having wings and being magic, about as much as I like the idea of Mary Gia and being venom. Yeah. Maybe a little more, because I like Gamut a lot. But also, I'm just not into it.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Yeah. Like, there's no need. He already is cool, has powers and shit. Has his stick? What more do you need? Wings, apparently. Well, there's also people who are hoping that he gets a power upgrade because of this. And I don't know, like, what else you could do with him?
Starting point is 00:49:41 Yeah, I think they're thinking of, what was the thing? They did one where, like, he went to the future and he was, like, a new son or whatever. Wasn't that him? A new son? Was that him? They did one. were like somebody was like cataclysmically in the future and it turned out it was
Starting point is 00:49:59 gamma because he had the, he figured out how to connect to like the pure kinetic energy of himself and that like it was actually like incredibly disastrous and he was the most powerful person in the world or something. I remember him being in the future and wasn't he the guy who kind of
Starting point is 00:50:16 warned Bishop maybe that there was the traitor in the X-Men? The witness? The witness, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Was that Gambit? Was it? I have an update.
Starting point is 00:50:31 I have an update for you guys as well. As of right now, the final issue of Hush 2 is scheduled to come out next week. As of right now, as in like three weeks ago. As in three weeks ago. Hush 2 will be done. And I can start reading the MAP fraction Batman's run that's already on issue like 10.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Do you feel comfortable enough knowing You feel comfortable up knowing that we record this episode To the point where when this episode recorded It was supposed to come out the week after this But realistically when this episode goes out It still won't be out I am not putting it past them to delay it again For whatever reason
Starting point is 00:51:17 Like he said Jim Lee came out and said That the fault was on him because he got sick And wasn't able to like work on it But like Jim Lee didn't do the art for all of the other jeffalo books that have been delayed in recent you know years so yeah i'm just going to you know if it looks like a duck it quacks like a duck it's probably a duck so the last issue is coming out recently you would think okay that's the schedule released date what for what number of book is that i think it's batman 163 i think is the official number
Starting point is 00:51:53 because fractions run Yeah, Batman 163 Because Fractions run Was a new number one And That came out in August Of last year So there's two Batman runs
Starting point is 00:52:08 concurrently happening There's Batman 163 That has been delayed For almost a year And then Batman Number 1 That has gone on to Like I said
Starting point is 00:52:18 I think it's now issue 10 But there's been like Some weird stuff happening there Like I kind of have to know about stuff that's going on it because it impacts the other books. Like there is a one shot that came out called Barbara Gordon breakout, where Barbara Gordon has intentionally gotten herself arrested to investigate the corruption
Starting point is 00:52:36 that's going on within the Gotham State Penitentiary. Okay. So that's like a certain. That's a book that's happening at the moment. And like that book is all about the shit's happening in Gothen. Currently, like Vandal Savage is the current commissioner, Poison Ivy's the mayor. I really want to know how these things have. happened because like
Starting point is 00:52:57 your regular everyday Gothen person knows that Poison Ivy is a villain how the fuck did she become the mayor? She was voted for by other plants yeah I mean I would I mean if we're going by like how the world works she probably just ran
Starting point is 00:53:16 on some sort of anti-immigration policy and that's all you need that's all you need I know the I know the I know the poison I. Harley Quinn fans aren't happy at the moment because they broke up because
Starting point is 00:53:29 Harley was, I guess, a distraction from her mayor role duties. Understandable. Plus, whenever you're the mayor, you can have sex for, like, loads of people. Yeah. You know what I mean? Whenever Boris Johnson was our prime minister,
Starting point is 00:53:48 he had sex for everybody. He put that into the book. It's mandatory. He had to have sex. Thankfully, he got out before he got to me and John. But, like, he was working his way, the country. There's a mayor in Toronto years and years ago.
Starting point is 00:54:01 They got like busted on tape like at like the crack house and stuff. I remember that pretty vividly. Oh yeah, I remember that guy. Yeah, well, he got around us as well. You know, it's up to say. If you're the mayor or the prime minister or whatever, you can just kind of like, I'm sex with whoever you want. Why would you tie yourself down to one client?
Starting point is 00:54:25 You get up loads of clients. As we know, God, city, full of clines. It is rotten with him. Mm-hmm. Literally, you know? They got a real client problem. And is anybody cleaning that client problem up? Probably not.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Well, Joker, as a result of what happened to him in Hush 2 is apparently in, like, a back-to-tank kind of situation. Dylan, I don't think that's a reference you're going to get. He's basically in a, like, in a tube filled with liquid. looked up to a breathing apparatus with like diodes all over his head because of what happened in hush two but like fraction had some interview talking about how he's reframing the joker batman relationship in that sense so like he's sort of a hand-in-lawed-in-law kind of thing where he's just kind of he's contained right now kind of deal can't we just drawing him i don't know see like that's the stuff about this this fraction run that like i said i'm like i'm like going to be 10 issues behind because of the
Starting point is 00:55:27 from a hush too. But like it's going to be interesting to catch up on the reading because like the things I know about it are like Tim Drake is taking a break from being Robin because he got like shot by a corrupt cop and like almost died.
Starting point is 00:55:44 And Barbara Gordon intentionally got herself arrested so that she can investigate what's going on in this prison and Damien and Bruce blew up Wayne Manor to keep Vandal Savage from getting into the Batcave. Is that a good idea? No, it's going to be interesting whenever they decide to reset continuity again and take Batman back to his roots. Because, like, Alfred's been dead for five years now.
Starting point is 00:56:14 And, like, that's still weird. Yeah. Like, Alfred's gone. And now there's no Wayne Manor. And he hasn't been using Wayne Manor. Like, he's been, like, in a townhouse in, like, upscale neighborhood in Gotham. so like the bat cave is like parts of like a sewer system that he had converted years ago because batman he always has contingencies so like there's all of these elements of like Batman that
Starting point is 00:56:39 he doesn't have at the moment i was gonna ask that like if he's blown up Bruce Wayne manor to like hide the back cave like obviously the house is gone but does he still go into the bat cave because then you're like he got destroyed as a result of it too like he blew he deep blew the whole thing. So the big, the big panty's gone. Yep, big penny's gone.
Starting point is 00:57:03 The big penny is gone. The big penny, the big giant robot dinosaur. All the other shit. Yeah. The glass case that had Jason Todd's Robin costume in,
Starting point is 00:57:14 even though Jason Todd's like alive. Yeah, like the scald and the being, it's all gone. It's all gone. It's all gone. But yeah, so like that's been, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:26 that's been a thing. That sounds weird. yeah again like like um um shaking something up for the sake of shaking it up yeah it's not as extreme as in like let's give him and let's like give him powers or something like they've been doing that to other characters like there was a couple of issues where cassandra kane's back girl had like blood magic and like she just got that undone uh then there's the whole emperor aquaman storyline right now where he's like traveling through space through these like lighthouse portals because he's connected to the elemental blue like they're doing they're not really doing that in other books but for some
Starting point is 00:58:10 reason it's not like as poorly received as what's been going on with marvel and their attempts of doing that too i was going to say how quickly how soon do you think it'll be before Batman is the new Venom. Well, they've been doing those crossover storylines. I wouldn't be surprised if there is like another follow up to Batman and Deadpool where Batman gets the Venom Symbiate. They're both dress and black? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Both, uh, something, something, add something in here that makes a connection between the two of them. Yeah. Symbia could basically be his like cape and cowl. And then he could get the cape to do stuff for him. Well, that's Spawn. You just made Batman Spawn at that point. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Well, Spawn's been away for ages by the time he came back. He's not been away? There you go. Are you? No, they're still big in Spawn comics. Are they? Yeah. What?
Starting point is 00:59:14 Yeah. McFarlane's just slow as shit putting him out, but they're still coming out. is it John did you know this I thought they stopped like fucking 20 years ago no I thought they'd still don't know like they're still like sandwich witch comics and like spawn but it's like set in the old west and shit like he's still putting out content still like spawned comics he is I see it on the wall once every three years like what the fuck is this is this before Jeff Loeb what's going on here I like Todd's in that action figure company, you know. They're doing pretty well.
Starting point is 00:59:56 Yeah, that's where his bread and butter. Well, he just lost the DC license. That's what money is. Turns out the monies and fucking action figures. Forget this. Some ass comic shit. Yeah, he's, uh, they just lost the DC license to Hasbro. So I don't know.
Starting point is 01:00:10 He's been made, he made like a hellboy figure not that long ago. So I don't know. Anyway, regardless. Mm-hmm. Is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Well, let's hope we get a new. Maybe Sponk we found him. Yeah. There you go. Get Image to tie in with Marvel. That's what that's a Marvel needs. Needs that boost. Needs that rope.
Starting point is 01:00:34 You need that image boost. Image is kind of fallen on the wayside. Like as somebody, like you said, the whole point of like the new number ones that I've been doing is like getting familiar with all these other publishers. And I'll tell you right now that like the publishers to look for right now, Ignition Press and MadKee Studios. I think those are the two big ones. They're doing, Ignition Press does so many really cool ideas. Like the one I just did this last week for Showdown, it was such a good read. But yeah, so Ignition Press is really, really good.
Starting point is 01:01:08 They're doing a lot of really unique stuff with like really good talent. Mad Cave Studios is such a weird company in that they're doing these takes on like Dick Tracy and the Phantom, but they're also making this like really cool original content. as well. So it's sort of like they're kind of doing what IDW does, but then also throwing in a lot of original stuff too. But like image is kind of getting left in the wayside, in my opinion. I've not seen anything from image lately that looked as good or as interesting as something from Ignition press. I also know bad idea comics is like trying to make a comeback, but I don't know how well that's going to go for them. They got the Tony Millionaire comic that I told you about, and that was really, really good. But, yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:53 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But Ignition Press, Mad Cave, those are the two smaller publishers to look for. Good stuff coming from that. Hot tip. Hot tip. Smart Avengers, Hot Tip. Yeah, I've also had some, you know, stuff from even smaller publishers that weren't as great, you know. There was like a, I can't remember the name of the publisher, but there was a comic called Abitouar Six. and it was like a mature horror comic that was about the world being taken over by vampires and people who are routinely sacrificed to them
Starting point is 01:02:28 and I was like, I see what you're going for here, but I feel like there's way too many, I feel like the market's oversaturated with horror comics in the independent third-party publishers right now. A lot of horror stuff getting put out there. What do you call them? What was the name of the group? that ignition press
Starting point is 01:02:54 no the the comic oh abattoir 6 abattoir 6 you got to watch him now because they'll be fired in a couple of months what was really funny is that their barcode on the back of the comic they're such a small
Starting point is 01:03:11 company the barcode was was blurry where they like blew it up to like take up space on the back of the cover that it was so blurry that the machine wouldn't scan it The guy at Laughing Oger actually I can type the barcode number in for it to come up in their
Starting point is 01:03:27 system. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah. It's been really kind of fun to like do this deep dive into like all of these smaller things because you see like who is actually like putting out really strong content and who are like the
Starting point is 01:03:47 this is kind of going to be your foot in the door like work for us get some titles out there, build up your resume and then you can pitch it to the other companies like look i made these series for these publishers kind of deal so like there's talent there absolutely but like they're so small that you know it's not they're not expecting major sales you know like you do except for for a except for me i one time when i was going through the checkout the person that was behind the counter uh who i haven't learned his name yet because he's
Starting point is 01:04:24 new there he was like you might be the only person that's picked the up and I was like well there's a story there is a story tell him with the yeah yeah I got watch it I don't know maybe anyway yeah I have to be careful the other night I got too drunk and I threw up and I pulled a muscle in my back throwing up so this whole time we're getting no breathing hurts so John where that's a thing nearly fucking killed me when he's when he mentioned he'd watched despicable me three and four I was like oh no this is how I die
Starting point is 01:05:04 on camera on here if he did die we would clip this and put it on Instagram be curious to see how you do it because it's on my screen record well we know where you live we're breaking your house okay there you go
Starting point is 01:05:23 we have to feed your cat oh yeah someone's got to take care of the dream Yeah, we would do that all, obviously, we feed your cat. Absolutely. Yeah. Hey, John, do you be a favor. Tell me what the last Despicable Me or Minions movie you watched was. The last Dispicable Me movie I watched was Dispicable Me Four.
Starting point is 01:05:50 The one with the stuff that happened and I assumed there was minions and stuff in it. and uh you know there was uh apparently will feral was the villain in it i don't remember that was he yeah i feel like that voice the voice casting for those movies like they get big names but they don't really advertise them very very well
Starting point is 01:06:19 because like i remember uh well jason seagull was the the villain in the first one like those movies are just completely overshadowed three Parker was the villain in the third one and that was pretty good yeah I remember that because he did not try it all to change his voice oh god no couldn't give a shit
Starting point is 01:06:44 bright quick he was a slightly more enthusiastic Trey Parker but it's exactly him mm-hmm less swearing yeah well he said the only reason he did it so his kids could watch something he was in. Oh, there you go. Checked out.
Starting point is 01:07:02 Story checks out. But yeah, John, what was your... What did you give it? What did you give it? What was out of five? Wouldn't you give it? Dispectable Me 4, I gave two and a half stars. Average.
Starting point is 01:07:20 Close to close. C-minus. Two and a half. It wasn't great. So, was that your most recent... But now I don't have to watch... it ever again. Oh, no, the most recent I watched
Starting point is 01:07:32 was The Smashing Machine. Oh shit, with our friend Twain. The Rock. Yeah. Well, DJ, as Dave Meltzer keeps calling him, like they're friends. Oh, somebody didn't sign too enthused with the Smasher Machine.
Starting point is 01:07:50 I mean, I don't know. I think it was nice to see The Rock actually acting, for rather than tune like a you know take on his usual stick yeah but he because like the weird thing is he in that movie he is absolutely jacked to the girls he looks as big as he's ever looked but then the character he's playing is actually quite gentle and sensitive and like you know he has emotions which you don't really associate with a lot of the rock's characters so I thought the performance was good, but like the movie itself wasn't great. Like it was a bit flat, but hey, you know, it is what it is. Have you ever heard the story Alan Rickman told about Tim Allen making Galaxy Quest?
Starting point is 01:08:47 I don't know. I don't think so. So there's an interview Alan Rickman was doing, and he was talking about how while they were filming Galaxy Quest, there's a scene where it's like supposed to be an emotional moment. and after they film it, Tim Allen gets legitimately choked up and walks off set and they stop filming until he can like compose himself and come back.
Starting point is 01:09:08 And Al Rigman said it was that moment. He was like, oh my God, I think he just experienced acting. Yeah. I think that's what happened to The Rock in this. I think The Rock has always just been The Rock and everything. That's why he really, really thought that he was going to like really accomplish some shit when this movie came out.
Starting point is 01:09:27 Like, oh, I got to, 15 minutes standing ovation at Sundance is like, everybody does. Yeah, yeah. Not me. No. Well, get your movie out there. Meet the Feebles Part 4. Get it out there, Dylan. I made it, Phil. They didn't like
Starting point is 01:09:41 it at all. There's a lot of unnecessary graphic violence in here. I'm like, it's part of the film. There's 92 pages of Sonic the Hedgehog fucking in this. Yeah, what's wrong with that? Copyright infringement? Sure. But this is Sundown. So you can
Starting point is 01:09:57 a shed. They just don't respect your art. Anyway, John, what did you give the smashing machine on your letterbox? I gave it a rather generous three and a half stars. Hey, more than Despicable Me four. More than Despicable Me. So, John, where can they find this review and your Dispicable Me Quadriloly reviews? I mean, they don't have to read the Dispicable Me reviews.
Starting point is 01:10:26 They should. They can find it. I want to, before you do that, I just want to say, I know you well enough to know, you wrote very earnest reviews of those movies. Like, you didn't fuck around with those. I know you well enough to know that you took that very seriously. I didn't, well, I struggled with them because I didn't have that much to say about him. Exactly. You didn't just put sucked. No, I bet, like, despicable me too, just says, shit. All right, John, what's that URL?
Starting point is 01:10:57 So you can find my reviews on Letterboxed at Big John Bowsky, or one word. And Dylan, what have you been getting up to you during the week? I've been watching all of the Disfigable Me films. They're really good. I think they're better than The Godfather. They're in the Smashing Machine. I've never seen that. Other than that, though, it's not that good.
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