The Smark Avengers - Kang FINALLY Shows Up?! The Kang Dynasty Gets Unhinged (Part 2)

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

After an entire episode of buildup, Kang the Conqueror finally enters the story — and The Kang Dynasty takes a hard turn into full-blown time-travel madness. In Part 2 of our Avengers deep dive, Dylan walks Corey and Jon through the second half of the 2000s storyline, where the plot goes from “slow burn” to “what did we just read?” almost immediately. 🧨 Major topics include: Carol Danvers’ deeply uncomfortable and confusing connection to the Scarlet Centurion Wonder Man escapes to save the day! ... or not? The mystery of Triathlon and the ominous black space pyramid Giant fuck off space fight! Kang finally making his presence felt — for better or worse Whether the payoff justifies the massive setup from Part 1 The conversation balances genuine analysis with disbelief, humor, and classic comic-fan arguing as the hosts try to decide if The Kang Dynasty earns its legendary status or collapses under its own weirdness. If you’re a fan of Avengers comics, Kang the Conqueror, controversial Marvel storylines, or deep-dive discussions that don’t shy away from the awkward stuff, this episode is required listening. 💬 Join the Discussion Did The Kang Dynasty stick the landing? Or did it go completely off the rails? Drop your thoughts in the comments. 👍 Like the video 🔔 Subscribe for more Avengers story breakdowns, Marvel deep dives, and comic fandom debates Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's project "Henry's Usual": https://www.tumblr.com/henrysusual Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

Cheese steak restaurant of all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're fighting each other, like being little bitches, you know. Join forces, you bricks. Forges. They'll take over the world, you know. Just like Kang the Conqueror did with all the people on the earth who he joined, who wanted to join forces with him so they could all rule the world or something.

It's complicated. I was going to say, I won't go into, I won't keep a lot of the Philly Cheesesteak conversation in the intro, but I will tell you, You did tell this exact same story two years ago. I did. Our WrestleMania episode, that was like four hours ago. I realized while I was talking about it, that I spent a lot of time talking about food. Yeah.

I talked a lot about the food A-Aid because the food was really good. This is Mark of Enders. My name is Corey with me is Dylan and John. You're jumping in here. Weird point to jump in because it's part two of our look back at the King Dynasty storyline by Marvel Comics and Kurt Puseek. Dylan, when we last left off, Kang announced that he was going to invade the Earth

and they didn't really do much for a bit because everybody else is busy with some secret organization that needed to be looked into and then a Russian, like, nuclear guy who had powers that turned people into ghosts. And then also there was a really old caveman who had some like science fiction tech that said that he only wanted to protect the United States from Kang.

Everything else can go fuck itself. because what we know our caveman for is their patriotism. So. Yes. What we famously know about cavemen is they're all American. They're all American. Also important to point out is that Hank Pim wasn't Hank Pim, but might have been Hank Pim, but it was actually Hank Pim the whole time.

Yes. But now we're back to being Hank Pim. That's great. We also should point out the Trium Understanding, led by Jonathan Tremont, as some kind of weird-ass cult that are very suspicious that vision and our boy triathlon are investigating. Have we caught ourselves up with everything?

As much as we can be. Yeah. Hang and the Scarlet Centurion are just hanging out on a big sword in space. Having a father's son fishing trip. Playing Sudoku together. Cats in the cradle.

Yeah. You know, throwing the football around. old pigskin mm-hmm so on a peg around because in space so it floats yeah okay

so Corey real quick how I bat shit insane has the last couple of issues been and if you looked at the last the last episode we did

it's been real random honest to God it feels like on the test I mean on like in tradition there's the hero's journey where like most storylines can be fit into that format i'm still really waiting for that hero's journey to kick off because i don't know who the fuck the main character is at this point nobody seems to be a lead except for people seem to just be there like stingray was listening in on something that was then he did triathlon was around we know that for sure justice and firestar were

spying on people we know that yes thor got really mad because he thought his friends were dead but then they weren't dead so he got really mad for no reason A lot of these B tier or C, I'm going to say C tier. I feel C is being generous. The triathlon. I'm just saying we thought we were, you didn't even recognize Silverclaw and she was in our auction. Did I buy her? Probably.

You bit on her. She was going to be ladies night, Dylan. Well, triathlon ruined it. He certainly did. I want to. I had something I was going to say and I forgot what it was. It was about the weirdness.

It is it's weird so far. Yes. I think we can agree. And up to this point the Kang dynasty has had very little Kang. You know what I wanted. I wanted a bit of Kang. How do you like your dynasty?

Well, Kang. It feels dirty when you say it that. It's a normal thing that people say. That's the t-shirt. It's a normal thing people say. No,

how do you like your dynast control account? Can you imagine the picture I will draw for that t-shirt? I actually do like that's a normal thing people say.

Okay. Speaking of normal things that happened, we're going on to issue 47 of the Avengers. And it starts up with Warbird, Carol Downburst.

And it's kind of like her thoughts. She's like dreaming something. She's imagining something. She's imagining the time that she met a man called Marcus. And they had a great time. I feel like we very briefly talked about this

on the show, but if we haven't, it'll all come back to you in a second. He's remembering the time that she met a man called Marcus and they had a lovely time and they felt like they should be together and at some point they did come together

and it turns out that Marcus was the son of a man called a mortis who is in turn a future incarnation of the time traveling Kang the Conqueror and was the time that she had sex with the scarlet centurion which explains earlier

whenever they met each other how they felt like they had some sort of like familiarity with each other So after this happened, Carol Danvers is remembering the time that she was impregnated by Marcus. And then she gave birth to Marcus. Oh. Now you remember.

So here's the thing. Yeah? I've known about this part of Captain Marvel's lore for a while. Because it's something people always point out to is this really weird thing. where she got like, some people say sexually assaulted. I don't know if that's... I think it would definitely count as sexual assault because he basically puts a bit of a whammy on her

to make her fall in love with him. Like none of her feelings are natural or anything. I think I missed that in the buildup here to this realization. But yeah, so she was... Put a in that. So she was sexually assaulted by a man so that he could give birth to him. So, who give birth to himself.

So is Jo Costa in this comic? Because I feel like she should be if she's not been. No. Okay, just if we're going to get all Etyple, we might as well just fucking get Eidipal. All the other Avengers, sure. Everybody else. But not the one who thematically would make sense with their name. I got it.

Every other Avenger they could find. Yep, sure. So. So basically, what happens is, She gives birth to him in the present, but then he starts growing old, I guess. And then he goes back to the, oh, no, he goes back to the future first for some reason. And he's like, oh, come with me. And uses his whammy to kind of convince her to go with him.

And then all the other Avengers are just like, yeah, that's cool. These guys seem like they're in love. See you later. Who are we to stand in the way? Yeah. It's not the weird about you giving birth to yourself. Person who impregnated you, who then grew as old as he was. When he was when he had sex with you, he then traveled into the future with you.

I don't see any issues with this whatsoever. Mom, I know you gave birth to me five minutes ago, but... Do you want to fuck? In the future, though, in the future. If I go into the future with you, it's fine. Yeah. Time travel works in mysterious. ways. Apparently so.

So this is all kind of like flashback to remind us as a reader and Carol Downvers that... Why would you want to remind anyone of this? This is nuts. Well, what's really interesting about this is at some point

they mentioned that Marcus continues to grow older very quickly and then within a week he's dead. Jesus. He grows very old because time traveling will probably fuck with you and then impregnating a woman with yourself and then coming out and then

growing up to be an adult and then further growing I can see how that could easily lead to sudden death so she's thinking about this and then she wakes up she is the master of the world's base is in Antarctica I believe right

it's in some snowy area I think it's Antarctica and so she wakes up in the snow after as we As a recap for last episode, the Avengers infiltrated the Master of the World's headquarters.

Stingray got in, and the Master of the World didn't notice. And then five other Avengers crept in, and the Master of the World immediately noticed and said, fuck you, and then blew up his base in order to stop them. Because he's a fucking genius.

Right? So Carol Danvers is still alive, but now she's outside in the snow. The weird beasts that the master of the world controlled come down to eat her. So she hides in like a Kiev in the snow. And she is found by the Scarlet Centurion. Good old Marcus. I mean, dad, son, husband? friend?

Foe? He tries to calm her down and she realizes that he had done all the shit to her. She doesn't want to be anywhere near him. She remembers the fact that he was putting the charm on her. He had some sort of

charming gambit-esque powers that were able to charm her into that. So she doesn't want to get too near him, but she will fight him a little bit. She's very weak and her, as we know, her ability is to suck power out of people. because we saw her suck on the Scarlet's Citurian's big rod at the very beginning of the last episode.

So he says in the Kiev, suck on my big power rod this time. This is true. This is all in the book. And she says, I'm not going to suck on your power rod because you'll just brainwash me. I've been sicked and giving birth to you again. they have a bit of a steal to help her and she doesn't want his help.

She remembers what he did to her and he clearly has some sort of feelings for her. Yeah, I think it's worth pointing that as well. He's not the same Marcus that she met before because even though he is

Immortis' son no, the dodgy one was Immortis' son. Yeah, he's Kangson. So he's like a different He's a different Marcus As you said a moment ago Time travel is weird

This is what's very confusing By Kang and Conqueror Is that once you start reading into it A little bit You will just lose all hope For what the fuck anything means So The Marcus that had sex with her

Was the son of a mortis Who is a variant of Kang the Conqueror But he isn't Kang the Conqueror No And this current Marcus is the son of the current kind of conqueror who is not a mortis. So he's the same guy, but slightly different, but he has a different mom. We'll get, put a pin in that. Okay.

Yeah. Put a pin in that. That was important. After you write that time. Okay. Put a pin in that one. So in this episode issue, in this issue, he explains that. says, I'm not that same guy.

I'm not that Marcus. I didn't do that. I'm the son of Kang. I'm not the son of Immortis. I didn't do that to you. She still feels iffy, as you would. Yeah. Yeah. As you would. No, it was just a different... It's me from a different timeline.

What? No, this is a bit that I am confused about. Because if it's a different man, then why would he have feelings for her? she would remember him because he looks and sounds exactly like the man that did that to her yeah yeah but if this is established as a different man who hasn't actually met her before

until they were outside the UN building why is he obsessed with her why is he like why did he come and meet her because he tries to say listen I'm here to help you I really like you I want to do the best I can for you you can trust me why would he do this other than just a blind attraction to a woman he just saw outside the UN building? Yeah. Because listen, I've seen so many people outside the UN building

and that shadow blind does not work. Not work. So what happens is the two of them decide, let's just go back into the master of the world's base. You know, the one that exploded. Let's just get back into that. So they find a different way to get into it.

And then they do. They get into a different part of the base. So I guess only part of it blew up. Which means that... Well, it means that the part with Stingray and the master of the world didn't explode. Because he must still be in the base. He wouldn't blow up the base with him inside it. That would be insane.

That would be stupid. That would be crazy. So that means Stingray is probably still inside the base. We can only assume. Fans favorite. Oh, Scard and Centurion and Carol Damers are now inside the base. They fight some of the aliens. They have a big thing. And at some point, Carl Damers has to rescue the Scarlet Centurion. She grabs under his rod,

suck some of the power. And then she realizes, you know, I did that. You didn't try to mind control me. Whatever. It's all good. But she's still a bit iffy. The other Avengers that were with her, you know, yellow jacket and Quicksilver, except. are also still alive. So why the fuck blow up your fucking base if it did nothing? I did absolutely. What the fuck? They tell her where to meet them.

And the scarlet's insurerian says, listen, I've got to go back to my big sword base in space. But if you need nothing for me, all I want to do is help you why. Trust me, I'm going to be looking out for you. Okay? So he flies up in the space. No.

we get to the Avengers Deep Space Monitor Station Okay Who was on the Avengers Deep Space Monitor Station? Well it's obviously Quasar And the Living Lightning

Sure Yeah A billion Avengers So they are in this base Just hanging out in space Looking for shit And obviously they didn't see a big fucking sword that they said we should phone up Earth

and go, yo, dude. He's coming out. Yeah, watch out for the big sword. But I tell you what they do see. A big ass black pyramid. Corey's not reacting to that. But let me explain. There's a giant pyramid in space now.

That is the end of issue 47. Okay. So again, they've introduced something. So a lot happened in issue 47. all of that unpleasant Mm-hmm Relatively Now, I should point out

that whenever Kang the conqueror was talking about all of the potential threats that could happen to the earth Way back in like issue one or two of this One of the things he said might happen Was that radioactive ghost hive minds Might take over the earth One of the other things that might happen

Was some sort of mysterious entity That I can't explain Which was represented as a big pyramid pyramid in space. So here in what anybody else would have thought was

an inconsequential panel in like issue two of this fucking saga turns out to be really important. Foreshadowing. Yeah. The shittiest foreshadowing in the world. So

HG48 starts with this big fucking pyramid in space and the living lightning and Quasar are like, we gotta go see what the fuck that is. They do. Now, at the same time, Captain America and the

Wasp, Jack of Hearts, and Photon, again, keep a track of all of these fucking adventures. They are in Spain. The other Captain Marvel. They are going to attack the big sword

of Damocles that Tang, runs and Kang's like, I told you not to fuck my base. I told you. I said, don't fuck my base. So, we cut back to the

Avengers in the master of the world and his base, much like the other episodes, other issues were like just stuff happened for a couple of panels. To give the illusion of action. We then cut to

the pre-ean understanding we have established in the last episode that they were developing some sort of spaceship and they were also established that they knew that some sort of evil thing was going to come to the earth and they wanted to stop that or be prepared for that that's what the spaceship was for

they a lot of the brightest and best minds of the trio's understanding start to get onto this ship including the vision and our boy preathlon and of course Jonathan Tremont, who runs the organization, but obviously it's not a cult. And they ask, hey, how does your ship move?

How is it powered? Like fucking rocket fuel, like most of the rockets? And they were like, no, this one's funny enough. It's powered by the thoughts and feelings of all of the cult members of the cult. So once we blast off, all of the cult members on Earth, will have like intense headaches and faint because we need their power to launch our ship. And the vision's like, that sucks.

And the guy's like, whatever, you build a ship. Right. This is in the book. So there's a lot of more fighting going on with all this shit. I want to establish a lot that the Scarletes Centurion keeps. while they're on the big sort of Damocles he keeps an eye on

Carol Danvers it's like you know whenever you're like watching porn and then somebody comes into the room and you're like, ah, I'm watching something else. Yeah. He's watching Carol Downburst and then Kang comes into the room. He's like, what are you doing, son? And he's like, oh, I'm just watching

the regular stuff that's happening on earth that could be with anybody. Kang's like, that's my boy. This will all be yours someday. Is he playing with his rod while he's doing that as well. And big power rod. Yeah. So a lot of fighting's going on and the earth think,

now is the time to send up the sentinels to beat the fuck out of. We cut back to Master of the World and we now get the Avengers meeting with the master of the world in his main part of his headquarters. Stingray is nowhere to be seen. That whole bit has just been forgotten about. He went there and then fucked off home. You never see him again. Job well done.

I don't know why they did. This is a sticking point for me. It's so annoying that they did a bit where Stingray turns up to the master of the world's beast. He doesn't notice when he's standing behind him. And then later on when the Avengers turn up, he notices them immediately. I'm like, well, what the fuck? Like, how do you notice someone

and not this one... Anyway, the mass of the world makes the Avengers fight his weird dinosaur fucking things while he decides to fight Carol Danvers. Okay? Then, we cut back to space.

The sentinels are flying towards the sword of Damocles where a big hologram of Kang the Conqueror. just turns up in space, right? Just appears, a giant hologram of Kang is in space. And he says, hey man, I see you're sending a lot of sentinels to beat me up. But what you seem to have forgotten is that historically,

I'm very good at traveling through time. I'm very good at going to the earth and interfering in different parts of the world. and one of the things that I have a big interference with is a interest in robotics from a long time ago the robotics industry okay so that's going to play off really

heavily in one second but I want to tell you what I think is the most annoying thing about this whole saga right now we come back to Carl Downberg fighting the master of the world.

And Carl Danvers, who we have established is one of the most powerful women, most powerful people in the Marvel universe, is going toe to toe with the master of the world who is just some fucking guy. Right? Yeah, but he's like wearing armor that can survive all these blasts and stuff

that she's, you know, like shooting at him. Here's the thing. Like we've said that he's like their villain you know big deal right so they're going toe to toe and and no it's a steel mate nobody's winning yeah okay and carl dammer is very frustrated she's like i can't land a hit on this guy i can't do anything to this guy right so then she kills him man how she killed him she she like glass the floor to like, you know, smash up the metal of the floor,

takes a shot of it and just stabs him in the stomach. Man, if only she thought of that earlier. Yeah. Right. So all of that shit they were doing. Yeah. Like he could survive being blasted with her powers, but then he gets stabbed with a bit of metal.

Bit of that's it. Of his own fucking floor. Yeah. He designed that. It's such, like, after this whole buildup. I want the floor. Of this old man to the world shit. Like,

I can't kill, I can't touch this person, so I'll just kill them. Yeah. Right? What? That's, that,

for the record, was the bit where I'm like, I got to talk to the boys, but this. What a pin in that? So, we cut back to space. The big hologram of Kang is in space,

and he basically says, because I have a history of robotics, and going back in time and messing around with people. What I have done is I have put a lot of my own robotic ships into the Sentinels. So you've actually built your Sentinels with robotics made by me, Kang the Conqueror, so do whatever I want them to do. So he uses a Sentinel, whoops, he uses the Sentinels to just like, beat the fuck out of the Avengers,

blow up the ship, the Captain Mark and the other Avengers were on. and then the big hologram of Kang and all of the Avengers fly down the earth and that is the end of issue 48 so this is definitely a back heavy series I told you

that you'll know exactly when it starts to get fucking insane this next issue is pretty insane as well this isn't even the insane one All right. All right. So let's,

let's move ahead. Well, let's wrap up really quickly. We'll say that the present shit seems to wrap the self up. Sure. Right? We will say, we will say that the master of the world shit

seems to wrap itself up. Yep. Kind of hard to bounce back. We are now in issue 49. I will remind you this start in issue 41. in issue 49, we now appear to be getting towards some sort of Kang business. Okay? Now, Corey, are you familiar with the concept of enough sad comic?

I think so, but by all means go ahead and hit us with it. I don't remember if Marvel did this a lot or if they just did this in the specific time period. like they did a bit where they would do issues of comics with no dialogue okay enough said the pictures stay more than the words do the most bit on being like the spider one

September 11th yeah correct which makes me think that this all happened around the same kind of time and also them blown up the UN building yep comics are ahead of time they all survive

that's fine you know so a lot of this is it's going to be really quick to jump through basically the crux of this is the hologram of Kang walks in this from space down into earth with the sentinels

it just walks down right and the sentinels are behind him the sentinels start fucking stuff up the master of the world his barriers around stuff that he put up are they will have some sort of like force field but Kang is like hey do you ever think of this

I'll just fuck that force field up so we've seen the sword of Damocles shooting a laser out of itself that happens a couple of times what's really fun is that we see the hologram of Kang being incorporeal in that Avengers like Thor and stuff

will just fly right through him but also he can just like shoot lasers out of his hand so cool there's a bit where in the white house George Bush is just watching this happen like he's just looking at the window

and seeing this shit can I I'll just really quickly he is just looking out the window just be like whatever just watch it burn television Yeah, well, Nero, you know, at least Niro could fiddle. And then, so they get the president out of there. We've got to save the president. That's very important.

So then we have more bits of Kang and the Sentinels fighting stuff. And then Kang just gets really bored and just starts fucking shit up. Like, he just starts going nuts. You see this? Yeah, basically just blows up Washington, D.C. Well, that's the thing. I want to show you this next one as well. this is my favorite one

he just makes a bomb in his hand he makes a bomb and then like literally blows people up just destroys people right so many people die in this series and I want to go back to a pin

we put in an issue one where they saved the politicians in the UN building and I'm like you saved the politicians but are okay to just let everybody else die. People working in D.C. living and working. Like, yeah, everybody dies except the politicians. Like, is this, who is this issue for?

Who are you writing these comics for? A lot of people die. This is like a pretty big thing as well, like blowing up Washington. Pretty fucking big. How would he walk that back? Well, he doesn't need to walk it back because after he blows up all of Washington, Kang meets with the

well how would you put it like a lot of generals and important people earth in Washington okay so it's not like a general representation of all of earth he just goes down to the bit that he fucked up and said you guys have to surrender all of earth

to me America has to make this call on behalf of the rest of the world and Amerga says okay and he he also makes it very clear that he wants the wasp

to sign the declaration that gives the article of surrender over to Kang the Conqueror why the wasp correct she's basically been like the captain yeah she's been the one running the show

for the most part during all of this yeah I forgot I forgot all about that period a time where the wasp was the chairperson of the Avengers, aka the leader. He's doing a lot of behind the scene stuff. Like I said, I've been trimming a lot of this stuff out because a lot of it is just like yap, yep, yep, yap of the Avengers. But she's been doing a lot of the behind the scene stuff. Okay.

She's not fighting zombie radio after cons in Russia, but she's out there like looking at the big computer screen. Yep, looking at the big computer screens. So that's the end of issue 49. Any questions, any? Well, it seems that How many issues are there? 54?

55. 55. We have five left. So they just decided now to really ramp up the action of it, which is nice and they'll do, considering they've wasted. Correct. Because it's been slow as shit so far.

They've wasted about 10 issues with your time. Correct. Now, I get that they want to, like, add some kind of, like, world building or whatever. Like, if a guy, from space was like we're going to fuck the whole planet up. People from here would say, we'll do whatever you want, so we'll be on your side and you'll look at us favorably, right?

Yeah. I understand that. But that doesn't explain. The present spit happens independently. And it seems as if Kang came back to that point in time, specifically because he knew the the present stuff was going to happen so that he could use that as part of his spiel. Like, I'm telling the truth because the presence is about to happen. Yeah, I mean, he's a time traveler.

Yeah. So that makes sense from the Kang point of view. Yeah. Right. But from a reader point of view, I'm like, I just wasted like three issues of whatever the fuck this is. Yeah. Right. So from a character perspective, that makes sense for Kang.

From a reader perspective, it's not always like, because it gets resolved so quickly. You're like, this is no bearing on the rest. Yeah, it seems related at all. No. It's very jarring. Very strange. John, have you any notes so far? Are we firing all cylinders?

I mean, I will say the presence will come back into the story a little bit later. He will make his presence known. He will. He's going to grace us with his presence. There you go. Absolutely. So, we are moving on to issue 50. We're very close.

So what happens? This shit, this is the issue, I think, when I got, like, I don't know what the fuck's going on, dude. Yeah, same. When I wrote notes for this, I was so blazze about it because they didn't understand it. John's probably the same where I'm like, I don't know what the fuck's happening. Remember our boy triathlon who had fucking nothing to do with any of this? Yes. He was like the 3D man.

Yes. He wasn't the 3D man. He's triathlon. Yes. And there was a 3D man before him. Sure. And I think maybe a 3D man before him. This is how confusing it is.

Isn't how confusing it is? It's a lot of emphasis for a character that has nothing. That has no bearing on anything and will not be seen after this. Has never had any better than anything. So the big black pyramid in space has something to do with the power of the 3D man. Okay? Which is lucky for us, the triathlon is in, yes? When we were doing the auction and 3D man slash triathlon came in,

what of his big selling points was that he had the power to instantly know when someone was a scroll? Correct. So I guess it makes sense why a pyramid from space would be tied to his powers. Because it would be such a weird power to have if you just got like your powers from like, I got doused in some chemicals and struck by lightning. But also, whenever the scroll invasion happened, which was what, 2008? A couple years after this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was triathlon there? Nope. I think he was agents of Atlas at that point. Couldn't even put him in. There's one selling point. They're like, nope, don't need him. That was his time to shine.

It would have been too easy. You got to get rid of him for that reason. It wouldn't have been too easy. It would have been the most appropriate use of that man. Okay, so Corey, bear with us for a second. Just a minute, though. Well, I try to understand. And John knows what I'm talking about.

This, for me, was the episode. This is the one that broke me. So, Kang, the Conqueror, blew up Captain America's spaceship in Earth, or in space. But Quasar, Living Lightning, were on the other base that saw the black pyramid. So they come and rescue Captain America. America and his group of Avengers. So they're safe. Now, the spaceship that was owned by the Triune understanding, which has a vision and

triathlon on it and Tremont, the owner of the cult, that spaceship rescues the other Avengers and brings them onto the ship. And all the way through this, we see flashbacks of some people doing stuff. that involves like a brother or a counterpart to themselves, potentially two or three people, ideally three people, if that makes sense. Okay.

This is a 3D man. So this is where it's really complicated because I'm never sure which one of the people is which. But some people do some stuff, yada yada, the trium understanding bring everybody to the black pyramid, which they originally said was the big evil that they have to stop. Not the fucking sword. That's that, don't worry about that.

That's an evil, man. That's bullshit. But a pyramid. Fuck that. Then we cut to some sort of like 1950s characters. I assume it's the original 3D man. Yeah, Chuck and Howell, I think. Yeah, they were brothers.

One was strong, one was weak and sickly. whatever. And then they, something happens. The scrolls appear in this, by the way. So that would explain why one of the 3D men

can figure who the scrolls are. And they try to like, reach each other, but they end up like forming into each other. Two brothers. Yeah. So that's how 3D man comes together because two brothers equals 3Ds.

We all know this. Work for the Dudley boys. They had three brothers. They had seven brothers. had multiple brothers. There were a lot of those. A lot of brothers. A lot of brothers.

Some more shit happens. Spike. I like Spike, too. Big dick. John, we asked what was your favorite Dudley boy? We're not talking about Scars and the Chirri and his big broad here. Was he? No.

Was he? No, no, no. No. Big Dick Dudley was not the dad. This means nothing. Continue. Oh. This is more fun.

this episode this issue fucking killed me this was fucking awful so they keep going back and forth between weird shit that happens in the past that involves some sort of 3D man and the Avengers on the big pyramid

and then they get to one where a guy is like traveling up the mountains because they're trying to get to something important and then one guy is ahead of the other guy but the guy behind him shoots him in the back and like whatever the important thing is it's mine

and then we cut to okay so then we immediately cut to the Avengers dreaming weird shit and then it turns out that the Avengers that are dreaming that weird shit because they went to the big alien pyramid

pyramid have been abducted by those aliens and put into like stasis pods where they're just standing there dreaming about shit I will say really quickly that this next bit that I'm going to explain to you happens in three pages

okay they have dreams where they are just dreaming stuff and then we see them being captured by the aliens being in the stasis and then Captain America breaks out of the stasis

sure it happened in three pages this for example this is that in the stasis this is Captain America breaking out of the stasis that's it that's three pan

That's the other page That's it That's it Ah man we tried everything And nothing worked So That's the Simpsons So

Then they realized The Avengers After they broke it out of the thing Or in a spaceship Full of aliens How do we beat up the aliens Well we'll just shoot them With all our powers

Right And we learn more about the 3D men And we learn more about Jonathan Tremont Who wanted the power of the 3D men, he was one of those people in one of those flashbacks. I know which one. It's the one where the man is climbing the mountain,

and the man comes up behind that first man and shoots him in the back and seals the power. That's Jonathan Tremont. So he at some point, he at some point just powers two other people to come out of himself. Okay? Okay. I can show you that panel too. here is

John of the Truman shooting two people on themselves there they are and Lord Templar sure oh they have names okay that's nice they're fully

they have names people so then now we have a big fight and now we're like well who is fighting who are the aliens fighting the Avengers are the Avengers fighting this guy like what the fuck is going on

with this episode there's a lot of fighting but we don't know who exactly this issue is so confusing so confusing what did we say this issue was 50 50 yeah it's so bananas

right and it goes on forever it feels like this is the longest issue of all time it just keeps going so triathlon is like you know what I realized I used to be the 3D man or whatever and I remember that

I was the guy that you shot in the back I was a guy climbing the mountain but he wasn't it wasn't him he just remembers the memories of that guy because triathlon is a black guy

in his like 30s and the guy that got shot in the back is like a white guy at his 50s but he just has the memories so triathlon walks to a different part of the pyramid and finds a smaller

ring pyramid on the floor he just touches and then he gets the power of the 3D man and so he pulls the power out of Jonathan Tremont and becomes the most powerful 3D man there is and then he is able to control the black pyramid and he is able to get rid of the aliens and then also silence Jonathan Tremont completely.

That is the end of issue 50. Do we have any questions or would you like? Why would we have any questions? Yeah, no. I mean, I'm so glad that the mystery of the 3D man was solved in the midst of our King dynasty. Yeah. So, like, so just as a thing, like, we saw Kang wreck shop on D.C. killing countless people. And the follow to that was to fuck off to space and do some 3D man bullshit.

Well, I should really quickly say the very end of that issue is the vision comes up to Captain America and says, just heard that Kang is conquered earth. Okay. Cool. Glad we again, it just feels like it feels like they could have had just different storylines or whatever. Listen, issue 51 is going to fly past really quickly. Yeah. Issue 51. I wasn't intending on this being a three-parter, so I hope. It's not. We're getting

this one of the last issue, but fly three. Okay. Nothing. So we established that Kang is taken over the earth. It's been like three months, whatever, like a long time. And then Kang has, like, established a bunch of bases on Earth where he traps all of the superhumans. And we see one camp in particular, which has Wonder Man and Scarlet Witch, who we famously saw on horses way back in the first issue of this fucking saga.

They're in the same camp. And they have, like, things around their neck. Because inhibitor things only work around the neck. We know this. At some point, they figured a way that they might be able to screw the system over. And what they do is they come up with a plan that essentially lets Wonder Man escape the base. Yeah? Okay.

That's it. That's the issue. That's the whole fucking issue. We're on the issue 52. Any question? Any note. I will add, like, they were a couple before. and in this they kind of realize, oh, okay, maybe I love him more like a brother,

and I love her more like a sister than, like, romantic love. And I think doesn't Wonder Man at the end of this, like, seemingly get destroyed as he's making his escape as well. So he basically fakes his own death. Yes. So they don't go looking for him. That's the hook. put a pin in that

because the way this issue ends is that it makes it seem like Wonder Man is dead but then he escapes Yeah, yeah, yeah And because of what Wonder Man can do And his power base and stuff The end of that issue makes you think Well, they wouldn't showcase

Wonder Man escaping Unless that was going to be a big deal Exactly, yeah That's clear The whole issue was about Wonder Man escaping Either that whole issue Was about Wonder Man escaping or that whole issue was about him and Scarlet Witch going,

I don't want to fuck you anymore. That's right. Either way, it's super important stuff. And one of them you think is important to this fucking story, right? You would hope. You know. So, on the issue 52. We see more fighting between a lot of the people.

There are resistances, there are cables of resistance that have escaped Kang's reach, but they're still fighting. Kang is still pretty confident. they're going to win the fight. A lot of stuff, a lot of talk. They're trying to figure out a way to solve all this problem. The guys in the black pyramid,

triathlon is now in charge of the black pyramid and can control it. They decide to drive that black pyramid towards the adamically sword, trying to stop Kang instead of going to Earth to see what the fuck's up over there. A lot of stuff happens. now we've talked about the fact that Kang's army has been fighting in Europe and has done pretty well for themselves but at this point armies start to rise up on behalf of Earth against Kang's armies and who were those armies but the Atlanteans that we saw on issue two

the deviants that we saw on issue two and I believe the Russians including the presence that we saw in issue too so they in a manner of speaking have come back back around. So we do see the presence again. He's not dead. So he's back to like, fuck some shit up. And Kahn, I'm ready to fight as well. It's Stingray

who's reunited with the Avengers at this point. Stingray's bit just ended. Like, he broke into the base and then did nothing and then disappeared and then came back. Job well done. He didn't do anything. So

Kang is pretty fucking pissed. Kang is really angry about this. He's like, we've got to start fucking shit up. And then the black pyramid intercepts the Damocles base. And Kang is like, I'm going to show you. So he does the hologram thing again. And he becomes a big hologram in space. And he just starts fighting the pyramid.

Okay? What does that look like? I can show you. Just like this. Okay. I was just wondering if he was. him just like trying to put a pyramid in a headlock or something. Captain America became a giant hologram in space as well.

Okay. End of issues. Sure. Okay, sure. So now we're going into issue 53. We've got three more issues, 53, 54, 55. Okay? So now we go into issue 53.

Inside the black pyramid, triathlon is ruling, controlling the pyramid and he is able to use the technology in the pyramid to make Captain America appear as a hologram the way the Kang does because they have the same technology as Kang does I guess, I don't know.

So they have this fucking cool-ass fight in space, right? And I'm going to be honest with you. I've sat through, what have he sat through? Fucking 10, 12 issues at this point. Yeah. This is the best bit. Yeah.

They just start fighting in space and it looks cool. hell. I love this bit. Like they're just beating the shit of each other in space. I loved it. Like, finally, again, the Kang dynasty, we finally get to see Kang doing shit.

It's great. So the other avengers are trying to break through the sort of Damocles base to get to beat him up. Whereas Captain Merck and Kang are just fighting each other in the background. And they finally find a way to get through his forces.

So at some point, There's a jarring moment where Kang loses control of his hologram. And he kind of like wonders out loud how this happened. Because he's a master of time and space. He's been traveling through time. He came to Earth specifically to this time period because he knew this would be the best time to attack. He knew that the Russians were going to do the present shit with the ghosts.

He knew that the master of the universe was going to do his weird shit. He knew that all this stuff was going to happen. But he doesn't understand why the Avengers were able to eventually best him. There was something that happened in the Master of the World's base that threw his whole game plan off and he can't figure it out. And this is very quiet about this. It was like, oh, it could be anything. No context that the Scarlet's Insuring has been monitoring.

Carl Danvers has been keeping an eye on her, has said, I'm going to do whatever I can to help you out. And it's therefore been like, giving her an easy time, suppressing the master of the world's base and doing all this stuff to help benefit her, which has led them inadvertently to turning the tide in the war against Kang. Kang's not happy about this, but he says, fuck it, I'm a fighter, I'm a warrior, I'm going to go down with the ship, I'm going to keep fighting, I'm going to go back in and beat up Captain America, I couldn't even fuck, right?

loads of shit happens where they fight in space for a long time I mean like for a long time it's just them fighting in space which is really nice and at some point Kang is like hey this is it my ship's about to explode I'm going to crash land on Earth

that's fine he sends Scardes and Turin off into like a space pod I'm like I'm gonna keep you safe my son I love you it'll all be yours later just you walk away I'm going to go down to Earth I'm just gonna sort up not myself. Hang the Conqueror

fights to the end, what he says, and then his base starts to fall down to Earth. That is the end of issue 53. Any questions or no? No. I've got a couple of small notes that Jonathan Tramont

guy basically sacrifices himself to help smash the shields of the Damocles base so Avengers can get in there and you know, fuck shit up. And then

Warbird also kind of comes face to face with Scarlet Centurion again on the base and they're both like sort of hesitant to attack one another after you know, sort of

come into that uneasy truth, truth previously. So like it feels like you know maybe the seeds are there for them to kind of

have a relationship or something after this I don't know what that actually happens afterwards I imagine you know your dad killed countless people and an exact duplicate of you that somehow isn't exactly you

like sexually assaulted me made me give birth to you and then you fucked off into space yeah it it's a difficult foundation to build a relationship on. I would say so. But either way, that's how

this one ends with Caros sort of smashing up the ship's power call and that like sends the Damocles like crashing down to Earth. Yes.

Well, I think that a big part of that like John said was the relationship between Scardus and Chirin and Carl Dambers even if it's not a straight-up relationship there's something complicated going there

and that's clearly the reason why Kang's idea fell apart also it's worth pointing out as well no wonder man in this issue doesn't appear he blew up

in but he's still not around you you waited a whole month to see what happened the Wonder Man. I hope Simon Williams survived. Well, we keep hoping for another month. Turns out, fucking who cares?

So, now we're going to get on to issue 54, which is my favorite issue. This one and the one before that, because they were like, finally we got to like the fucking show. You know, we're like, finally. And I love that fight in space with Kang and Captain America.

I love that. It's just, that's comics, right? It's just on and cool. The problem is we spent 15 years getting to that point but you didn't have to spend 15. Do we need the pyramids?

I don't know about that. So the sword of Damocles falls on to Maryland because everything happened in America and kills a bunch of people because a big spaceship falling onto the earth would kill lots of people

and he gets out of the spaceship and is like I'm gonna fuck some stuff up and again that's what I like about Kang in this whole show is that him as a character is portrayed very very well

very clearly he's very straight up about his rules of war he doesn't like pussyfoot around it he's like listen I'm gonna fight Captain America right now toe to toe. And if I beat him, then I win. And if he beats me, then he wins. Those are the rules. You know, I really like that. So they just start having a big fucking fight and it's amazing.

After America wins and they arrest Kang. And the Avengers are like, let's have a big celebration that thousands of people fucking died over like four months. Well, and that's also the thing that you point out is that the earth has been under Kang's rule for four months now. Like, you don't just bounce back from that. The infrastructure is fucked completely. Like, we were out because of like, so we're still dealing with ramifications of the COVID shutdowns. So if you looked at it for that kind of guys, like all of, so the means of production, everything about our way of life on Earth for three months came to a grinding halt because of this blue-faced motherfucker from space. Correct. Okay.

So we had a big party like it was the end of return of the Jedi. Kind of. There are some people playing drones with like helmets of Kang's head. Put a pin in the celebration. Have we covered all the stuff that we put pins in? I think we have. I think we have covered everything. If we have it, leave it in the comment and we will definitely remember to cover it later.

The thumbnail for one of these episodes needs to just be like a voodoo. all of Kang the Conqueror. They're just covered in pins. Okay. So everybody's really happy that they won the war. And then we cut to Montana, because if you're going to put a time lord in the prison, you're going to stick him in Montana.

Big Sky. And Kang is very much like at peace with his situation. He says, look, man. This was about as well as I thought it would. Like, he's like, Captain America bested me. I did the best I could.

This is the result of that. He's, again, all the way through this, as funny as it is to just ignore Kang all the way through it, the characterization of Kang has been consistent and on point all the way through it. He's very correct, very straight up with his rules of war and the way he conducts war,

the way he conducts himself. He's very straight up about it. He's like, you know, but he sent his. son out in the space. He's like, I'm the one that's going to finish this myself because I started this. This is the only fair way to do it. So he's in prison and he's like, well, I'm going to get killed because of this, but that's just the way it is. And then he is broken out of prison by the

Scarded Centurion. And Kang says, leave me be. I don't want to be taken back. But the Scarded Centurian is like, no, father, you've loved me. I will help you. I will do everything I can to help you. Back on a different space base, not the sword, some other spaceship that I guess the Scarlet Centurion has secured from himself somehow. Hange gets back into his armor and it's like, well, this is nice. And Scarlett Securian is like, now that we're back together, we can rule the world again. Kang says, you should not have rescued me. I don't think that that was appropriate. You should have just let me die because then you could have carried on my legacy after me. that's all they wanted from you

and that's another treat all the way through this is he has been very vocal about trying to give his son everything that's been a big selling point through this correct so at some point they go into Kang's private chamber

that has been alluded to a couple of times in the not that often to the point where it's worth bringing up but has been alluded to a couple of times in the the Omnibus Sofifes far. And when they go in there, they realize that inside Kang's personal chambers are hundreds of different pods of scarlet centurion clones. And Kang says, listen, here's the thing. You're not the

first, Marcus. You were the best one. But I have realized that you are as weak as the other ones. because you were the one that betrayed me. You were the one that was hanging out with Carol Dambers. You were the one that did that to me. And I gave you plenty of opportunities to admit what you did, to talk to me, to explain it to me. And all the way through this, you never took that opportunity, be frank with me.

And so you must die and he stabs him. He killed his own son. which again I think is very appropriate like he really did to give his whole empire to his best son and he gave that son every opportunity to admit his mistakes

and he didn't take him and so Kang in his own brutal honesty was like this is the only way forward so all the way through this issue or all the way through this this whole run this by the way we've got one issue left, 55.

This is the end of issue 54. I will say as a point right now, there will be no more Kang. Kang will not appear on the next issue. Okay. It's barely worth talking about. What I want to say is I think as

a way to establish Kang as a character, those last two issues were fantastic. Like, to me, like that's i understand everything about kank from those last two issues i will say we're like 16 issues deep fucking kang dynasty

but we'll get to that conclusion in a second that is the end of issue 54 any questions or any other notes i'm going to leave my comments for me excellent idea john do you have something the same no nothing for me excellent this next issue, quite like one of the other ones before this, the Wonder Man one, will fly by. Basically, this is a lot of the Avengers patting themselves on the back and saying we did a great job by saving the world. But there is a moment where the Avengers meet with Carol Danvers.

And Carol Danvers says, look, in the heat of the moment, I killed the master of the world. We were having a fight. He got into a steel mate where I couldn't beat him. so then I killed him which again they repeated it again and I'm like

okay so Captain America and his team of Avengers get together and say listen you did what you have to do for the good of the world what you did was the master of the world

had shit that we wanted to take so you killed him and then we took his stuff so really what you did was a benefit for the United States because we all know that's how the United States works sorry if we kill somebody else

then we get to take the stuff and use it for our own benefit because that is the crux of this story when the master of I mean that's what Kane wanted to do he wanted to hear shit and use it when the master of the world gets introduced he brings up his

towers that he uses for the United States. And the idea is the Avengers immediately just say, we're going to take that shit for ourselves. That's why that happens. And then they do. They kill him and they take it from him. And then Captain America rules, because you took it for us, that death is entirely justified. And then they just have a big party. And that's pretty much the fucking issue. Like they're shit with 3D man where they try to explain it the shit with like other Avengers the shit where they try to like wrap it up

but really it's just hey Carol Danvers don't worry about killing that dude let's just eat this giant hog and then that's it that's that fucking issue that's how it ends

they do have a bit at the end where like the master of the world's technology like all of his weird structures just start like falling apart without him so that's why we never see those again and then iron man is kind of a bit torn up because one of the people who got killed was like uh the avengers liaison with the government um uh and then like him captain america and wasp they both go uh they all go to like the national mall in DC

just to pay their respects to the fallen. But yeah, that's basically it. Basically it. So, now that we've got to, the crux of the Kang dynasty, now, you know,

if there are people listening to be really critical, they might say we miss some stuff out, but I think that like, by and large, we hit the most important story beats. I think we can agree on that. and I think that having read it I said to you that you would be able to tell

when shit went off the rails completely and to me it was when started doing that weird shit in the black pyramid yeah now why what does this have to do with anything because part of that was triathlon suddenly had the power

of the 3D man or whatever and the black pyramid he had all this power and then he comes back to earth and he's like I'm going to be away for a little bit to understand my power and you like never see him again that's it they introduced this bit

for like six issues and then just never talk about it again so I've got to well because it's centered around triathlon and nobody cares Kurt Buccia convinced Kurt Bucciac invented the character and he wanted to give him an origin story

and by God he was going to give it to him correct so a couple of points that I'm still not 100% sure on what happened to Wonder Man nothing okay no I think you just showed up

with the other Avengers he was at the end to celebrate yeah he is never after that big issue where he escapes and you think he's going to be a big deal

he does nothing influence nothing of significance nothing at all that whole issue is a waste of time we have established that Marcus who was the Scarlet Centurion

was not the same Marcus that seduced Carol Danvers via dubious means and then gave made her give birth to him essentially in a weird roundabout way. So is the reason we know that the Marcus that was Scarlet Centurion was killed by Kang and revealed that he was just one of many clones of Scarlet Centurion. Is that to also suggest that the reason why the Marcus baby that Carol had aged so quickly and then died

was due to the fact that it was just like a weird faulty clone baby no because they did establish that the Marcus that they had sex with was the son of a mortis and not the son of Kang

because there was a big part of one of the issues that John covered were Kang in weird like not necessary detail talks about how the way he impregnated the woman was he just find somebody with attractive treat. Yes. And then impregnated her that way.

That's how his son came a bite. We don't know how the son of Amortis came about because in terms of this, Amortis and Kang are technically two different people. Okay. Sure. So we don't know what happened with. Now, you could argue that maybe that was the issue

and that once you start being a weird time traveler who has four different variants, that maybe your kids are going to be a little bit fucked up. So my question, I guess, so we'll go with this. These are my thoughts on Kang Dynasty, and then we'll wrap the show up, because we're going for a good bin on part two. A lot happening.

It seems like Kurt Busek had a really great idea and a really great understanding of Kang, and his great idea was he wanted to tell this really epic story with Kang. And because it's King and he's a time traveler and stuff, it gave him this opportunity to set up like all these various little plot lines and have them tie into the bigger story but it sounds like

his attempts at tying it into the bigger story there wasn't enough meat on the bone to justify doing that. Yes. It seemed like really odd at best and it's like you know I'll give you points for ambition but the execution was bad.

Yes. I think so. Like I really enjoyed the Kang parts. I thought as a Kang story, every time you see Kang, you understand everything you need to know about that character. He is written incredibly well. You get his sense of like,

not just ego, but his own sense of like, honor and importance and how he conducts himself. As, like, I've read very few Kang stories, but I would argue that it would be harder to find a better representation of Kang of the Conqueror than this

story. The problem is all of the other shit. All of it. So whenever you were looking at that reading and they said 3.9 above average, like I do not believe that to be correct

because there's so much padding. Like you said, that's shit with triage. athlon and the pyramids and the trio understanding or whatever you don't need that no i understand part of it i understand like the presence kind of bit you know i can see that making sense but a lot of stuff just started to happen and you really start to lose the sense of identity that this is this comic is supposed to be about like we said in the first half the whole of the last issue or the last episode that we did hang didn't do a fucking thing

he blew up the UN building and at see of the politicians again I want to highlight the fact that they saved the politicians and they saved the president of the United States that's standard operation though they sent him into like a

portal that brought him somewhere else so he was safe but they killed hundreds of other people thousands of other people and that I felt was very very interesting that you would prioritize the dumb-ass politicians of 2020, 2001

as opposed to that's like a trope though. I mean, that's always been a trope that you, you know, the alien invasion's coming, the president gets evacuated, that kind of deal. No, but the people of the UN? That happened to the first issue. Well, so real quick, though,

like I said, I feel like Busek had like, he definitely went into this wanting to make this epic for Kang, and I think he succeeded in that aspect of it. The problem was adding all of the things that would make it an epic in general. Like, the Odyssey, for example, to go really highbrow,

the Odyssey is very long. But the crux of the story is, this is Odysseus, and he needs to get home. All the shit that happens in the middle are B and C plots. They have beginnings, they have middles, and they have ends. But ultimately, it's all about getting Odysseus home.

But there's a purpose to it. Exactly. It all serves to the larger function. But this didn't have a lot of this. No, a lot of this, like all that black pyramid shit. I think it was just there to kind of establish that like, hey, gang the conquerors from the fucking future. Here's how you can tell. He called all this shit was going to happen and it did. Correct.

But to put so much focus on the black pyramid and to make triathlon like a big deal. That was his advantage. that was like, I mean, I, like, I got it. If I created a character, I want to make him a big deal. But as we established in our last episode, triathlon did fuck all in like seven issues. I did, by the way, find out that the reason why he didn't use his, he was around for Secret Wars,

but he, the ability to see Scrolls didn't come around until partway towards the end of the Secret Scroll storyline, Secret Invasion's story. I found out he could see him. what the fuck does that mean when we do our secret invasion storyline our episode we will go into depth

I was gonna ask John like what did you think so for me after having to write Kang Dynasty I think it's a great Kang story but the rest of that shit is superfluous and it's way too long

but for me it's a great way to characterize Kang as a character so I wanted to know what you thought about it I mean I think the story elements

are there for a reason like there's yes um tie stuff in as well that happens earlier in like the you know the

the overarching storyline to kind of make it feel like it was worth you know the effort of going like extra issues covering all this stuff but yes I don't think the actual execution of it was good enough to kind of justify it in the end. So, like, it felt like a lot of it

could have been cut out or condensed or just, like, you know, a bit more concise, because however many issues it was, like 16 or whatever, we did not need that much time to tell that story. But even then, though, I think if you're going to tell a story called the Kang dynasty. It's okay to give it a lot of time. But I think that a lot of the problem was it was like filler. Yeah.

There were definitely two... He just didn't have anything to fill it with. There was definitely two... So one of the things we did put a pin on was that I remember that you have to wait a month between issues. So if you waited a month to get to a cliffhanger

and then the next month is the Wonder Man bit, where he escapes in prison and then the next month is where they're fighting Kang and it's got fuck all to do Wonder Man you are going to be like this has been three months now

and I'm not like if you cut that bit out or condensed it and put it in a different because they were doing that a lot in the early issues like like panels were just like here they are in China here they are in Canada here they are in Russia and then they made a whole issue

of them just in one camp and somewhere in the United States, you know, a lot of the pace, this is what we said before, the pacing is all wrong. Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing.

Like the pacing is bizarre. They needed, part of it as well, I think might be the buildup to the Kang fights because the issues I enjoyed the most were where Kang was fighting Captain America because they were real and pure. They were just like,

this is two guys just hand-to-hand fighting. even though one of them was in space. It was fun. It was great. It was such a cool visual. Like it was fun. And that's what people want. That's what you want to build up to.

This is great. But I think the way they built to it was anti-climactic in that if we're going from a pure rastity point of view, other than Kang saying, I'm going to envy the earth. what heat does he have with Captain America is all the way through that issue Captain America has said so many problems with other stuff got taken over by the presence to become a radioactive ghost monster and then once he was rescued by Thor

they never read like talk about that again no he was fine he just moves on and talks about the sentinels so like issue between Kang and Captain America should have been much more focused on. That's what I would have done. But like I said, I did think

as a Kang story is very enjoyable. But as a story as a whole, it's kind of lacklust. I would say like average. The other guy said, well, they say 3.9.

You're probably talking a good 2.5 at max. Because it just doesn't hit the cylinders it needs to hit. All right. Well, John, speaking of ratings, where are you at with your movie watch? We are still in 2025 at the time of this recording. And yeah, what's going on with your movie watch? So I am now up to 1,166 movie. 1166. That is impressive.

movies. Hopefully I can reach 1,200 by the end of the year, but time is running out. You could do it. Yeah. I believe in you. I believe in me too. John, where can they see

your review of our hopefully your 1,200 movie before the end of the year? They can find it on letterboxed at a big John Bowsky, or one word. All right, Dylan There we go

There you go Thank you I do a radio show Sometimes on Monday nights From 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock UK time It's available on bounce Digital Radio

Code of UK The link is in description Somewhere We play a lot of rock music It's pretty fun Sometimes they stream on Twitch At Spookal Room I draw pictures

And then I draw those pictures And animate them And turn those animations into videos for YouTube or TikTok at Team Crows and I. There you go. I got other stuff too. It's in the description. My computer keeps trying to freeze as we record,

so we're going to go ahead and shut it down now. But we'll see you guys later. Until next time, goodbye. Goodbye. Bye-bye.