The Smark Avengers - Marvel CANCELS Cosmic Comics… What Went Wrong?

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Marvel’s cosmic universe just took a major hit… but why did it fail? In this episode, Corey, Dylan, and Jon break down the news that Marvel has cancelled its post-Jonathan Hickman “Imperial” cosmic line due to low sales. What was supposed to be a new era of space storytelling has seemingly come and gone... and the guys are trying to figure out exactly what went wrong. 🚀 Topics discussed: What the Imperial line was trying to accomplish Whether Marvel fans just aren’t interested in cosmic stories How Marvel’s cosmic characters compare to DC’s If characters like Nova, the Guardians, and others are being underused or mishandled Whether Marvel lacks the patience to build long-term interest like they used to The impact of Jonathan Hickman’s influence on fan expectations Is the problem the audience… or Marvel itself? Are cosmic comics a lost cause for Marvel, or is there still potential being left on the table? This episode is a deep dive into the state of Marvel Comics, publishing strategy, and what it takes to make readers care about stories beyond Earth. 💬 Join the discussion: Do you think Marvel’s cosmic universe can recover, or is it doomed to repeat this cycle? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy comic industry discussions 🔔 Subscribe for more comic book debates, deep dives, and weekly episodes Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

I think fuck for that. What the hell? It makes no sense, but look, we're all crystal clear now, which is good. Maybe we shouldn't tempt too much fate. We shouldn't tempt too much fate. We should tempt just the right amount of fate, and that's to start the show now. Hi, everybody. Okay. What? Did you have a better idea?

No, don't worry about it. Are you sure? Yeah, none of my ideas are good. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Spark Avengers. Name is Corey. With me is Dylan and John. How's it going, guys?

guys. Hello. Pretty good. Pretty good. We're just going to roll straight with it. First and foremost, thanks for watching. We've got some new subscribers. We've got some people leave comments lately, which is amazing.

We're 115 episodes in. And to be frank, it's not really been like how we measure success of the show in, like, traditional values of like ad revenue or views or interaction. Popularity. Interaction. Uh, No, just to kind of give the little tiny peek behind the curtain, we do this because it's an excuse for us to get together and talk and have fun. And that's kind of always been the priority first and foremost.

So the fact that people are interacting and are watching and stuff, that's just a fucking bonus. So thank you for that sincerely before we dick around and, you know, goof off a moment of sincerity. Thank you. Okay, that's it. All right, so now that we got that out of the way, the reason I wanted to, we were originally going to do a deep dive on an X-Men character, which is continuing our series that we started way back

our very first episode of Smart Avengers was the Beast episode. And, you know, since then a lot of stuff has changed, we probably couldn't go back and do a second Beast episode at this point. I think we shouldn't. Maybe we shouldn't. Fair. We should.

We should. Also fair. We have some opinions. We do. Because at the time, the big topic of debate was whether or not beast could be redeemed. And I guess we can have that conversation on, well, did they do it? But, you know, that's a different time, different place.

But that X-Men sort of thing is we kind of had this idea of like, we're going to go through all the X-Men characters from when they were introduced. So we've worked our way through the original five. We've hit on Magneto. We've hit on Xavier. We hit on some of the lower end members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. And we were going to start talking about Scarlet Witch. because Scarlet Witch had a big moment very recently on the show where she was named the greatest DC slash Marvel character in the history of comic books per us.

Yeah, sure. But, you know, I saw something in the news lately, you know, lately that kind of bothered me a good bit. And I know that's being very heavy-handed when I talk about bad news in this day and age. but it basically to kind of give you some input here this was published on February the 26th on Bleedingcool.com Marvel curtails its imperial cosmic plans

over low audience figures reports reach Bleeding Cool that Marvel has curtailed its imperial cosmic plans over lower audience figures than they expected and it kind of gave me the idea of talking about like cosmic Marvel and what when went wrong. So to give you full background on this, we all love Jonathan Hickman, correct?

Yeah. I don't know if I've ever read a Johnlin Hickman book. That, wow, okay. He told me some of his bugs. I mean, he had some pretty prolific runs on Secret Avengers, on Avengers proper. Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four is a big one. He was probably one of the greatest modern day Fantastic Four writers of all time. X-Men, he's the guy behind Krokoa and the Krokoa era. So Hickman is a very big idea guy.

He was one of the, back in the 2010s when Marvel did this thing called the Architects of the Marvel Universe, Hickman was one of those guys that got brought up. And I think he's like one of the only ones remaining because Jason Aaron is still kind of with Marvel. Is he not? I don't know. I don't think. No, I can't remember the last time I've read Jason Allen.

Oh, there you go. So yeah, no. So he's the lone architect left because it was him, Brubaker, Fraction, Bendis, and one by one, those guys dropped off. And that was back when Marvel was kind of the heavy hitter. And D.C. responded by doing their 52 relaunch, which had some swings and misses, some success.

but some swings and misses for sure. So Hickman was that guy. He's the guy that you would bring in. And sort of like the thing that Hickman's best known for is his world building. Like he's the, if you've seen the old like clip from like Carl Sagan, you know, if you want to build an apple pie from scratch,

first you got to create the universe. That's Hickman. You know, he's the guy that's like, he's going to create like in Krokoa. He created a language. That is an actual language. language. There's a decoder. In several of the X-Men books, there are pieces of, like, writing

that are in the mutant language that if you took the time and the effort and energy, you could decode it. And it would tell a story. Pretty sure he did that for other runs as well. Like, I think the secret warriors, maybe, or something like that, where he came up with his own language for that as well. Whatever you said people can decode it? Yeah. Did they? there are some people who are nerdy enough that have done that yes like i actually saw on reddit someone posted a there was a panel of dug ramsi

writing out something in the mutant language and someone said has someone decoded this yet and then within like 15 minutes somebody had written the full transcription down it does sound about right i remember that was a um whenever futurama came out they were like you know tv show featureama they made this alien language because in the future

if I didn't use the future they would have an alien language so in the first series of the show they had this alien language that they were like this will be funny and then it got cracked like immediately

to the point where in the second season they just made a second alien language they made another one they cracked this one cunt and then eventually they did the first one they cracked super quickly the second one they took them longer

but I'm like people when they put their mind to it and get very dead to, you know, figuring out who the Zodiac killer is. Yeah. It's out there for sure.

That's a way to put it. So yeah, Hickman is big on creating like not even just the language, but he'll like explain like how the government works, how the economy works. Like it's not just building like here's the main characters, here's the side characters,

here's the ancillary characters. it's he creates an entire universe and that's like you said it's kind of his claim to fame i remember a couple years ago he did a substack back when a lot of creators were getting on substack and i think it was like a big collaborative project to like build a comic universe where he was bringing in different people whose sole focus would be on one aspect of this world like one person was going to be brought in to figure out how the government worked one person was getting brought in to figure out how religion works and you see elements of that in Crocoa. Like, you know, it's, there is like the pharmaceutical company where they created the flowers that basically cure every illness and disease.

So the X-Corps book was kind of invented to be that of like the actual pharmacy company of it. There was the Marauders book, which started out as sort of like the trade process of it as well as like bringing in mutants that couldn't get through the gates because of world government. There was the way of X, which was all about Nightcrawler devising a mutant religion. Like there's, you see elements of that in Age of Krakawa specifically. Like every book served a different function and purpose in creating the world. So that was like Hickman's thing. And, you know, he's a big name author. He does all this crazy world building.

People invest in it. Like Age of Kakoa, like revitalized the X book. which for years and years and years had been kind of going through the ebbs and flows of not being a priority for Marvel anymore. And I'm sure we could do an episode on like, hey, remember when the X-books were like the fucking bread and butter of Marvel Comics

and then they got bought by Disney and Fox had the rights to the property so Disney was like, hey, we're going to put all, focus more of your shit on the stuff we can make movies on. So, um, this is a long way of going that the last couple of big things that Hickman has done hasn't really taken off. So I've heard a lot of like, I don't know if it's true or not.

I don't know if it's rumor or not, but Hickman put out a series called Gods, not that long ago, G-O-D-S. And it was supposed to be like his take on how magic works at Marvel. He introduced a new character and a new sort of like, again, a new world that was like magic outside of like the traditional Marvel magic users. So like, I think his name was Wynn. He was this guy that was kind of rivals with Dr. Strange that viewed what Dr. Strange did is really hokey and dorky. And like a lot of the superheroic magic stuff is being really performative.

Whereas he was more of a John Constantine type that was kind of like manipulating and tricking people and cutting deals in this whole other dark area of the magic. world of Marvel that no one really got involved in. Like there was like the first issue was like all of the magic users brought into this like cataclysmic like end of the world conflict and Wynn is like I gotta go see a guy to get a book. And like he just sort of like while this big fatalistic battle with the world is hinging on it with like Scarlet Witch and Dr. Strange and everyone's going on. This guy is just kind of like traveling through the back channels talking to people,

negotiating with people, having a really mundane time of. it and then he's the one who saves the day by just like dropping something down on the ground and it fixes the problem so he introduced this whole fucking world and it did eight issues and was kind of canceled prematurely uh the sales weren't there people didn't want to see what hickman had to say about magic right so then imperial came about and we were talked about imperial because this was the ex manhunt event that led to it because Professor Xavier after Kakoa was locked up in Grey Malkin. And the whole point of the book was Xavier escapes.

Rogue and her team want to help him. Cyclops and his team are like, actually, no, that fucker needs to be locked away. And the whole book culminated with Xavier getting the last of the Kerkah eggs, it hatching to reveal Lelondra. And he and Lelondra fucking off to space. Yes. And that was the buildup to Imperial. So Imperial was going to be Hickman in the cosmic side of Marvel,

where he was going to have this four-issue event that was going to change everything you knew about cosmic Marvel, bring about a new cosmic world order, and kickstart a new wing of the comic. So it wasn't, so after Imperial ended, there were five ongoing miniseries. that we're going to launch afterwards. Planet Shee Hulk, Imperial Guardians, Nova, Exiles, Black Panther Intergalactic. Each of those books had, in the Imperial event,

had like one-shots that sort of explained the character and how they were involved in this, and then we're going to go into an ongoing series dealing with the events that fell out of Imperial. And now we're a couple of months into it, And originally these were supposed to be 10 issue mini series or 10 issue series with the potential to continue on. They're getting canceled at 5. So Nova is ending at 5.

Planet Sheeulk is ending at 5. Imperial Guardians didn't even start yet. And I think they're going to be going to 5. Black Panther Intergalactic is going to 4. Exiles just got canceled entirely. It's not coming out at all. And they were cited that it had to do with low sales. By the way, Planet She-Hulk is actually going to issue 6, and I think it's with a different creative team at that point.

But yeah. The point is, there is all of this build-up. They were hoping that Hickman could capture lightning in a bottle like he did with X-Men and bring back Cosmic Marvel to a big ovation. And what happened is nobody cared. Which is wild to think because Marvel Cosmic was a big fucking deal in the 70s and the 80s. I mean, case in point, Thanos in the Infinity Gauntlet, that was causing Marvel.

Silver Surfer was a huge deal. Adam Warlock was a huge deal. And... Galactus. Yeah, Galactus going, you know, even then, Galactus and I was going to say... Secret Wars. Secret Wars as well.

So, suddenly, it's... I don't know what that is and what that means. It's kind of why I wanted to have an episode and kind of talk about, why is Marvel struggling with their cosmic side? Because, like, this isn't the first time they've tried this. There have been multiple different takes on the Guardians of the Galaxy since those movies came out,

and they last a couple of issues, get canceled and relaunch with the new number one. Silver Surfer, they've tried several times to get him an ongoing again, and that has, like, sputtered out. And then you have all the weirdo cosmic characters that used to be a big deal, and you never see them anymore. like Adam Warlock and Dark Hawk and stuff, like characters that were kind of big in the 80s and 90s. So that's the question I want to pose to the group. Why do you think that Marvel's space comics struggle, at least are struggling now?

Well, I think a big part of that for me is like the climate for when those comics came out. Because if you look at when the heyday, well, ish, when those Marvel comics came out, when people were talking about space, it's also a roundabout the time,

films like Star Wars were coming out. TV shows like Star Trek were on TV and were very popular. Space was in vogue. People knew about it and they could identify with it and they kind of just put it all under the same umbrella. You know? Whereas now,

because even in the 80s, space travel was still interesting. It was still like, whoa, what could we do in space, you know? What if a human from Earth went in a space? Wouldn't that be cool? But now we're at the point where like

space travel is so blasé, and a guy like Elon Musk is doing it, or Kitty Perry can go to space and people are like, all right, fucking, who cares? Like, that's not as much as I would love the idea of

our defense against aliens being Katie Perry I would love that 100% shoot Katie Perry in the space and she'll take care of it for us

but it's got to the point now where like people don't really care well I mean for me I never really cared much about space so I'm trying to just guess and project but I would imagine that if kind of missed the boat on

well not even miss the boat it's just time is passed by in terms of what is popular and what people want to see anymore. So like I said, Star Wars is a big thing, Star Trek's a big thing. But now there isn't really that same kind of popular culture crossover that they can latch on to. Things have moved on. It's a different time. Not to say that they won't have something like that.

But what's the big TV show right now? Is it space related? Probably not. So I think that's a big part of it. It's not necessarily how good they're. the characters where hard give the story was, I think part of it was just the climate at the time.

Don't you mean? Yeah. I mean, I'm sort of in the same boat in that I have never really been a big fan of the space stuff anyway. Like, whenever the X-Men would go into space, I was always

like, oh man, really? We've got to read some issues about them being in space again. I just don't care about the Shia Empire and like all of that jazz. But, you know, it keeps happening and like there must be an audience out there for it somewhere. But is there, like that's what we're saying. No, I said audience dwindled. I mean, I was going to tell you, like, if you, the other side of the aisle, you have DC

and you have the Green Lantern Corps. There are two Green Lantern, through actually technically four Green Lantern series right now. There's the standard Green Lantern series that Hal Jordan's the main character of that has been based on Earth, but it's switching to Kyle Raynor, and I don't know what direction

they're going to switch with Kyle now as the main lantern in that book. There's a Green Lantern core book, which is about like all the various other members of the core, and that one's solely set in space. There's absolute Green Lantern, which is, of course,

the absolute universe and their take on it. And then there is also, I think, Green Lantern sector or Far Sector, something along the lines of that, I think it's still an ongoing. But all of those books are set in space, and the Green Lantern books have never really struggled. Like, there are certain characters at D.C. can have multiple books. Batman, of course, you have at any point 10 to 12 different Batman books existing at the same time. Some where he's, most where he's the main character. then you have like Superman that's going to have at least three or four books at the same time and then you're going to have Green Lantern that's always going to at least have two

a main Green Lantern book and Green Lantern Core so like Wonder Woman doesn't get two books she's only got the one you know Green Arrow has only had the one flash has only ever had the one but Green Lantern's been fine with having more than two books at the same time since pretty much since the 1980s except for that period of time in the 90s where they got rid of the core and it was just Kyle Rainer. Then you also have the fact that they're launching another Lobo book to go into the Supergirl movie that's coming out and the Supergirl movies set on an alien planet as well. And that's based off of a Supergirl mini series that came out a year or so ago that had a massive following. That's the

reason why that whole movie's happening because of how critically successful and popular that book went. So it seems like DC has no issue doing space books but Marvel struggles with it and I don't really know why that is Well Superman came from space Exactly They have this big history of like space characters

Like I don't think that's crazy I also think an important thing to think about When you think about The Green Lantern Corps And the Green Lantern as a character Is that if you compare him To all of the other characters we're talking about right now.

Green Lantern has been very consistent for his entire run, right? There's always been, you said there's always been two Green Lantern books. It's always been, yeah. There's always been at least one, right? For ages, right? There's always been a golden book.

How often has there been a straight run of over-surfer books? Or novel books or these kind of Marvel characters who come from space, the Gardens of Galaxy, famously disappeared forever, till the film came out and then they came back again. But if you hadn't had it done,

you imagine if they kept that strip running for that long, how many more people would have been psyched to see that film and would have went to see it. I think part of that is consistency. I don't think, I think Marvel have a habit of every so often just dabbling in space. You know, like, no, like, well, send the pink, or the pink panther, we'll send the black panther to space.

Wow, that would be good. That would be great. I read that book. I agree to think Panther is space. But they're sending the Black Panther to space. You're like, well, you have shit tons of space characters. Why would you send the Black Panther? What the fuck?

Why? Right. Well, I was going to say something about that because like it feels like this Imperial series in particular was all about like all these guest characters coming in. Like Black Panther Hulk, Sheehawk, like Professor X and stuff. Yeah. I was like, do the characters, I was going to say, do the space characters, like, just not connect with people, which is why they need to bring in these other heroes and whatnot to kind of, I don't know, like attract people? I mean, out of those, you could say that, like, you know, Professor Axe and Landre have that space-esque thing.

But I think you would also agree that Professor X has been much more of a, well, Earth. space car. As we talked about in our Xavier deep dive, he did have a tendency of fucking off to space every now and then. It's happened a couple times. So it's Kitty Perry, but we'd also say she's more of an Earth person than the space person. But yeah. What's what I'm saying is like, but you mentioned like She Hulk.

That's to play off, you know, Planet Hulk where the, you know, the Illuminati shot Bruce Banner into space and trapped him on a planet. So, I mean, it, there were some reasons why those characters. I don't know why Black Panther is there. That's also, that wasn't really about. space that was about the Hulk. An alien planet. But the gimmick would... Hulk story is him on an alien planet and adapting to it. It's still space.

Yeah. Ish, but like it's not like him... I mean, it's like him just on a different earth. You know what I mean? It's not like him adventuring through space and fighting people. It's him trying to get back to Earth. Like, that's the gimmick. It's like, it's... It's not quite what you would think of, like, of a space

kind of a book, you know what I mean? It was much more... Whereas if you said she hulked to space, the gimmick just seems to be... It's a homage to that book they did with a Hulk 15 years ago. There's no theme to it. There's no reason for her to be in space, you know? So you mentioned that the Guardians of the Galaxy book was gone until they made the movie.

That's not entirely true, though, because there was... Yeah, there was the era where Dan Abnett and Andy Lannning, when they were still working together, basically had the whole cosmic side of Marvel to themselves. where they were putting out the annihilation war series and King's Conquest. And we're focusing on those characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy because they were responsible for the lineup that made the movie, even though the characterizations are nothing like the ones they were working with.

You know, it was their book that was Star Lord, Drax, Gamora, Rocket Raccoon, and Groot. You know, there is also Nova where they basically took Nova and created the Nova Corps, which was sort of a pretty much just the Green Lantern Corps, but with helmets instead of rings. And they put a lot of focus on the inhumans being in space and making an opera out of it. They did a lot of work on the cosmic side. And ultimately, it felt like it wasn't really well promoted

considering like the amount of work that went into it. Because there was like, they had Silver Surfer and he was involved in a bunch of stuff too. So there was an attempt at like, we're going to try to be consistent and establish and get these characters out there, but it didn't stick. And it's like, why didn't it stick? Because they put in the time and the effort.

How long did that run last for it, though? Let me see if I could find out. About 25 issues of their own book. And then there was like the conquest and annihilation stuff that was going on around there as well. I remember the annihilation stuff. I remember that. It looks like 2004 to 2011

is the consensus I'm reaching. Marvel's Annihilation slash Cosmic Saga. When the Guardianses come out, the film? Guardians of the Galaxy. 2013 or 14, something like that. So if they kept the motor running, they would have had that comic running by the time the film came out.

Yeah. But for several reason, they just kind of pulled the plug off. on it before the movie came. Then you've got to ask yourself a question, too. Is it Marvel? Like, we have, we have heard this a lot where Marvel recently, getting very trigger-happy and going,

Seals aren't what they should be. We're going to cut this, or we're going to reduce your budget, or we're going to do this or that. They're not giving people the free time and the freedom that it seemed like they were going to. For example, if they said to you, Corey, we're going to give you 16 issues to write about Baby Juggernaut. And then they cut down to six,

but you're like, I don't have time to tell you. this whole story. We saw that with Cocoa, the whole beast thing. It all just kind of happened at the end. Yeah, I had to fix it. But you have to, you have to work on the fly because Marvel on a whim to say, we're going to cancel this because fuck you. Like, is it part of it too?

Where they're just like, listen, it might be successful. We're just cutting it. Well, I mean, that happened. So the article that I read regarding that announcement that they, hey, we're cutting all these books. In the bleeding cool article, I'll give proper credit to the writer for that real quick. Is this a website we like?

like or we don't like? I'm good with bleeding cool. They're usually, they're really bad about not proofreading their articles, but like they usually are right when it comes to, you know, like, hey, this is going to happen.

They're usually right. Okay. But yeah, so they mentioned, let's see, uh, Marvel publisher Dan Buckley made a commitment that new Marvel series would get at least 10 issues

to establish themselves before they were canceled or curtailed. That was a reference to an article that came out in May of 2024. Now we're two years later and we're getting, you know, like, hey, this 10-issue series has been cut down to a five-issue miniseries. So they've kind of changed their opinion on that. Because that was a criticism the Marvel was getting all the time was like, it felt like every time you turned around, Moonite was getting relaunched with the new number one. Right.

With the same creative team, even most of the time. Right. So like, what's the point? Yeah, like, I think Jed McKay's been writing, was writing Moody Night a lot. And it just felt like every time it would get up there towards the 20s, it would be like, something would happen. We're relaunching it with the new number one, even though the creative team isn't really changing that much. Right, but just fucking let him write the book. Yeah.

You know? But yeah, so like, it is interesting, though, because as you mentioned, like, it ended in 2011 for the most part. Guardians came out in 2015. And that was like the big thing there. It was the disconnect between the writer and the movie. Because when Guardians did come out in the theater, they announced Brian Michael Bendis is writing Guardians of the Galaxy. And the characters did not look like they looked in the movie.

And they did not act like they acted in the movie. And then that got twisted and changed with him getting pulled off. the book. I think it was Sam Humphreys that got put on. And then you saw, you know, Star Lord in the Red Leather Jacket being a scoundrel, whereas before he was this sort of like son of a despot, you know, who is trying to do the right thing with his group of, you know, people. Because like under- Gary Duggan rather than Sam Humphreys, but yeah. Yeah, here you go. I know, so I think Sam Humphreys did a Star Lord solo book around that time. That's where I got him fucked up. But yeah. So the characterization got changed.

Plus, you know, Bendis did a lot of weird Bendis stuff, like put Tony Stark in the book and then, like, put Kitty Pride in the book, I think, was under him as well. Yeah, I think so. Then Venom got added as a member of Guardians of the Galaxy for a while as well,

but it was Flash Thompson. Mm-hmm. So it seems like they try with Guardians of the Galaxy. Right, because of high success where the films were. Exactly. They're trying to find that same film audience. Bingo.

You know. Working. Like, it was such a success. Yes, they're like, well, we should have capitalized on this, which they should have. They should have done a better job of like being ready for it. I know they don't always know. Like, because conversely, after that, they were like, well, be like that, you're going to love the eternals. Here they are.

And then that fucking sucked, both comic wise and film wise. Yeah. That didn't work. But like, I feel like if they had been more in the ball, whenever Guardians, like, I would have read that Guardian's book. Like, after that film came out, I'm like, I'm sold. Because I don't like space shit in general, not just for comics. And then I'm like, you want me to go see a Marvel film in space with a bunch of guys I've never heard of?

This is going to suck. And then it came out of it going, that's the best one. I really fucking love that film. I mean, part of it is the Suss a talking raccoon. Not going to lie. But like, if you, if you go back and like read the Guardians of the Galaxy that Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning were putting out, Groot talked.

It wasn't I am Groot. came later. It was Groot had full fucking dialogue and was like acknowledged as the king of a planet of tree people, you know, like the characterizations were completely fucking different. Rocket raccoon was a British character. Yeah, I believe so. He spoke with a British accent because he was based on the song Rocky Raccoon by the Beatles. There you go. So, yeah. That's like he said, it's just, to me it just seems weird because they let, they had this like run of like all right for what 2004 to 2011 that's seven years we had a seven year run of these two guys putting all their focus into crafting this wing of marvel we're going to announce

a movie's going to get made but we're also going to pull the plug on the comics so that when the movie comes out you I don't know I've always been skeptical of the idea that moviegoers are going to become comic book readers I think you have comic readers who will go watch movies, but I don't think you have moviegoers that go and read the comics. I don't think that works that way. No. By and large, I don't think that there's up, you might get like a handful of people that we'll check it out, but it's not really, you know, I don't think it's a big crossover there.

Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not like, I'm not pitching and saying, like, they should have let Brian Michael Bendis have his run with Guardians of the Galaxy. Considering what Brian Michael Bendis did with Moon Knight and Superman, I don't, really want to see him take, have takes on other characters, you know, like, stick to Daredevil, stick to Ultimate Spider-Man,

stick to, like, alias and, you know, Luke Cage, I don't want to see you touch anybody else because I don't trust you. You've made your thoughts on a very clear. Oh, very well known. Like I said, my friend, my friend who is the manager of the comic book store was, like, I think, invited to, like,

a wedding with Bendis. and I've said to him, I'm like, oh yeah, you know him. Don't like them. Don't like him at all. You made that abundant clear on the show. I have no problem making my feelings known about certain creators. I will go to the wall for that.

It'd let your opinions out of court. You do, you do. Dylan, what's the creator that you have that strong feeling about? Like, who's somebody that you're like, fuck that guy. Don't like his stuff. I'll put me on the spot here, man. I don't know.

I can look into it and come back on a different episode of the show. Because I get that way. There's something else. I'll be like, oh, it's this guy, you know. They're just people like that for me. For some reason, in, like, in comics, it's Bindis and Jeff Johns and Garth Dennis, probably, as well as Frank Miller. Right. For movies or acting or music, it's like Jared Leto and Lennie Kravitz.

For some reason, fuck those guys. Don't know what it is about it. I don't know why I can understand. Jared Lennie Kravitz as much as I do, but I do. I don't like that fake bohemian bullshit you're not a hippie you're a rich guy shut up that's true John you got anybody you have an irrational hatred towards

I mean hatred is a strong word for it but I would say Matt Fraction is a guy that I don't particularly enjoy a lot of his stuff like his hawk eye run was great I've never read his

immortal iron fist and that's apparently really good as well but pretty much everything else he did like um he had to run on iron man run on thor as well i believe yeah um and they just really sucked wait was he fear itself i always get that i always get original sin and fear itself confused yeah he was fear itself as well which again was awful Awful. One was everybody gets a Thor hammer, and the other was Nick Fury kills you watu.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Fear itself was the hammers. Okay. I remember the hammer one. It was such a weird gimmick. Yeah, no, Fraction is definitely one of those, like, I think the more obscure street-level characters he gets the better.

I can't report on his Batman yet because I'm still waiting for Jeff Loeb and Jim Lee to put up fucking the end of Hush 2. I'll let you know initially. Well, that's the thing. This episode is going to go out in the middle of, like, April. And yet, that comment will still be very timely. Still timely.

Ain't coming out until May, apparently. I'll let you guys know in June. Yeah, we're going to get to April. It's like, not coming out in May. Well, no, they wait until March to say it wasn't coming out in March. So, like, fuck, I don't know until it's in my hands. I don't trust it. We won't get it.

I won't trust it. it. It'd be worth it as well. It won't be. It's been kind of, it's not been, it's not been the most exciting thing in the world,

basically like, it's just Batman's beliefs and, you know, hush is basically pushing Batman's no-kill policy to the point that is pissing off everybody else.

Oh, you saved the Joker? Meanwhile, like Jason Todd and Barbara Gorton are over there dealing with their trauma. I was going to say, like he's pushing Batman's no kill limit.

thing to the limit the way that the Joker does. Yeah. Well, because, yeah, because Joker's kind of the victim in it, honestly. Like, Hush basically, like, killed the Joker and said, well, save him. And Batman did. But yeah. So I showed you guys earlier, but this is, like, one of the reasons why I want to talk about this. I've actually been really enjoying the Nova book.

Oh, the color balance is so off. There we go. Kind of. Yeah. Maybe. It was nice earlier. It's not perfect. Yeah.

there we go. So I've been enjoying the Nova book, and this is the last issue. Issue 5. And it's a bummer because I felt like they were doing a good job. Nova's a character I've always liked. Because he didn't necessarily start out as a space character per se. His origins are space, but his early adventures were on Earth with the new warriors, which is like one of those weird forgotten team books of the 80s and 90s.

Like they got you, like after Civil War, nobody ever really did much with the new warriors. They tried a couple of times. Most famously, they tried and failed so spectacularly that the book got canceled before it came out. Because they introduced the character's snowflake and safe space. Wow. Yeah, a little heavy-handed.

Well. Yep. Which is, you know, that happens in comics sometimes. Sometimes an idea comes out and people are like, oh people don't want to read that we should not make we should make sure this doesn't come out then um i don't know if you guys were aware of this but earlier last year there was a brand new red hood book that was going to come out with the pitch being like it's red hood it's going to be like a more mature comic it's you know it's still going to be like the batman side of things

but we're going to like let jason go to be jason um and then the writer uh wasn't too broken up about Charlie Kurt getting shot in the throat and kind of laughed about it online and got the book pulled after one issue came out. It was like literally the day after issue number one hit the stands. Like I didn't think I read a review

before the news came out and said, Red Hood book canceled. Yeah. That one's a, I has to be a collector's item at this point. It's not going to get re-released. You have it? I don't.

Because I'm not a Red Hood fan for the most part. You could have made a lot of money there, Corey. I would have made a lot of money, but yeah. It would have made your money. But yeah, so kind of going back to the whole thing with Cosmic Marvel. Yeah. I don't think the characters are bad.

I think it just you don't. It's that consistency like you were mentioning earlier. They're not being consistent with them. They're not pushing them. They're not pitching them. You know, when they do go to space, it's like, we'll take the Avengers and put them in space. We'll take Black Panther and put them in space.

But, like, you're not going to focus on the character's already there. Right. So... Well, even, like, real quick, we all remember the King Dynasty. Yes. Unfortunately, yes. You remember the fun we had talking about the Kang Dynasty. And part of that was Kang came out of space, his big spaceship, and he just walked up to Earth.

I was like, that's, this is how it's going. And incidentally, like, like, wild... that was happening, the Avengers had two people up in a space station to watch out for space anomalies. Were they just ignored the big spaceship, shaped like a sword,

and noticed like a big black pyramid instead. Yeah, yeah. Like that's what we need to focus on. But neither of those guys were space characters. No. They just, the Avengers just said,

you two fucking pricks go up into space forever. We don't want to see your face anymore. Couldn't, like, don't the space characters check in on Earth every so often? Wouldn't they come over and go, what's going on? Is Nova around or Quasar or the Guardians? Is nobody

at all interested in the fact that Kang is coming to beat up Earth? No, it was all Earth Avengers. Yeah. Involved in, a gimmick which was heavily involved in a guy who was traveling through space. Right? So,

I find that to be interesting. Like, even the guys in space were still Earth people. They didn't involve anybody who they could have logically brought in from space. They just didn't fucking two... I didn't even remember who there was, like, what would live in a lizard or whatever?

They just sent two people up into space. Well, there are people in space. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying, the consistency. Like, they have such little regard for the people they have in space. They just trot them out for storylines. But the problem is, if they're not

consistent, And by the time you see them, you're like, well, why would I care about this character? I haven't seen him in ages. See, well, A.E.W problem. They'll bring a guy. I'd go, this guy is great. He'll fight you for half an hour. And you're like, first of all, so.

But second of all, who is he? You can tell me he's great, but I don't know if he's great because I haven't seen him become great. And that's the thing. They had the silver surfer. They had a whole story. He was really popular in the 80s, but he wasn't popular in the 90s. And that's because he didn't put him in the 80s.

And that's because they didn't put him in books. They didn't do them with him. It was carnage for a little bit. And then nothing happened. They just forgot about the Silver Surfer, which is bananas to me. Because he was arguably one of their bigger, more popular space characters.

You could have done a lot with the Silver Surfer. Yeah. And they just didn't, you know? Well, so the other thing I want to bring in up is earlier last year, December 1st, 2025, a little video game was released. Kind of quietly on Linux, Nintendo Switch, Nintendo Switch 2, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, and Xbox series XS, called Marvel Cosmic Invasion. An arcade-style side-scrolling beat-em-up game, like the old X-Men and Avengers game from back in the day.

In the game, players control a variety of Marvel superheroes who must battle hordes of enemies in locations ranging from New York City to the negative zone to thwart the villain Anilis' Cosmic Invasion. so the characters that they featured I'm going to tell you the cosmic ones first beta ray bill cosmic ghostwriter Nova rocket raccoon phylavel who is

one of the quasars yep the silver surfer and I'm going to give you Phoenixana technicality because the Phoenix forces as a cosmic deity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These were the non-cosmic characters

the game featured. Okay. Black Panther, which we could say potentially cosmic because they put him in this event. Captain America, Iron Man, She Hulk,

which maybe we could count, I don't know, Spider-Man, Storm, Wolverine, and Venom. Again, venom in space.

Venom, you can kind of count, maybe. Yeah, it's tough. And Storm and Wolverine have been to space quite a few times as well, if we want to be technical. I mean, if we're going to be technical, Venom came from space. Yes. But yeah, so, again, meaning like essentially just Captain America being like the odd one out then, because I don't, I don't associate Captain America exclusively with space, even though he's been there a bunch. He fought Kang in space.

He did. He was giant for it. Yeah. But yeah. I remember. So, so this came out in the midst of the, in the, the, the, the, you know. post-imperial pre all of these books coming up because like the novas on issue five meaning that issue four was February three was January issue two was December so could you say this was an attempt by Marvel to promote the cosmic side by having this video game I should I don't think so because I had no idea that game was already out I knew it was coming out at some point but I did not know it was out already.

It, like, quietly released. It was just one day it's available to play. So, by all means, I mean, I've played it. Check it out. I've played it just for the novelty if I could play Nova in a game. Was it free? No, but it's cheap.

How cheap is cheap. I don't know your currency. Free is cheap. What system are you wanting to play it on? Switch. One or two? Two. You know.

You know. Cosmic Invasion Switch 1. I go to the Nintendo store. Thank you. 2999 American. So 30 bucks. I'm not paid 30, but.

Well, yeah, I don't know what your conversion is in pounds. It could be more or less. But yeah, that's honestly, though, new Switch games are routinely more expensive. So, like, for a new release. New games at 50, 60 point.

Yeah. So this is, it's a brand new. new game that is done in a retro style that was very quietly released. I'm probably going to pass. What's it for the Switch 2? Well, I bought it on PlayStation 5. So, John, if you want to look up Switch 2, I'll look at PlayStation 5.

Yeah. Good research. I'll just sit here quietly. On the PlayStation 5, it was also $30. Which, again, a new PlayStation 5 game is like 60. 60, 70, 70, usually.

It is 26 pound 99 pence for both PS2 and PS1 over here. PS2 and PS1. Yep. PS4, what am I told about? Twitch. I was like, wait, hold on. They put out a new game for the PlayStation 1.

Fuck yeah. It's fair. Like, people still make games for the Dreamcast. And you're like, okay, that's optimistic at best. And God bless you for trying. Yeah. I mean, it was already a pretty low of target audience.

But you're like, God bless, we're going to do it. Okay, interesting. 26, 27 pine. Yeah. Which will probably come down quite a bit in the next sale that they have going on, which is fairly regularly. I don't even know what this game is, so I'm not paying 30 pine for it. I enjoyed it.

I played it in a good bit. But yeah, no, it's just, it's a side-scroller. read him up. It's just like that X-Men arcade game, you know, prepared, it was it like now prepared to die or whatever? Good one? Yeah, the one where you'd be like Colossus and go, Rha! My favorite part.

Yep. He was the best one. Yeah, I enjoyed it. It was like him and Wolverine for me. That Claus is the best one. I never played, well, yeah, I mean, Colossus was my number one. If I couldn't be Colossus, I'd be like Wolverine. I don't know how good Dazzler was.

Probably wasn't very good. Probably great. You know, they're re-releasing those games, by the way. They're doing that, they're doing that game, the Avengers game they put out, where you could be like Captain America, Hawkeye, Namor, or Vision, which I thought was wild. Okay. And then there's like, I think they're putting out maximum carnage.

And the separation anxiety, Spider-Man and Venom game. Yeah. And also the Spider-Man and X-Men game. They're putting all that out in a package, I think, sometime this year. See, that makes sense. because I got this Capcom bundle

and it was like Marvel versus Capcom Marvel vs Capcom 2 and then Marvel Super Heroes or whatever and then at the end

it was like also the Punisher video game and I'm like what? Yeah The Punisher why did that go in

with it like with that release that you just said wouldn't the Punisher fit in in that Cooper games better? Sounds like it should

Yeah, what the fuck were they Why it was so random But I bought it anyway Because I love Marvel versus Capcom too Great game Bang and soundtrack A lot of fun Like you do

I did So yeah I guess if like So it sounds like In your opinion What could improve Cosmic Marvel Would be just consistency

Well again I feel like that they've missed the boat with it Because now if they start Trying to be consistent with cosmic Marvel, people won't care and they'll start reading the books. Then they'll just cancel them anyway. But then that means that whenever they try to do a big cosmic Marvel thing, like a big event or whatever, which you know they will do in a year or two,

then whenever it comes time for people to read it, they won't read it because they don't care. And Marvel will cancel it after whatever, or they'll do the crossover and just forget about it. Like they, I think they're kind of screwed by now, where they can't keep the pressure on because people just don't care because of their lack of pressure putting on

in previous years. You know what you mean? Well, I felt like Imperial was supposed to be like that big thing to kind of kick everything off and frets and sort of buzz for it. But I'm wondering if like maybe just the story wasn't very good. I haven't read it.

So I have no like personal opinion about it. but you know Hickman has done a lot of great stuff over the years but maybe he was due a dud and this was it I mean that's the case he's done two in a row because God's was supposed to be like his big like solo project for Marvel and that unfortunately did not go well now reception wise these the books did do well like critical like critical rating but these are like the sources are from comic book roundup.com I don't know how much you're trusting that or not because it's It's kind of hard to trust, like, a review site's reviews on anything, unless it's coming straight from, like, the readers. Like, there's nothing to be guarantee that Comic Roundup.com are like, oh, if we piss off Marvel by giving them a bad review, they won't let us, you know, like, have exclusive content or we'll lose access to creators. So, you know, like, just saying that and getting that out of the way, Imperial issue one got a score of 8.6 out of 10. issue 2 8.1 out of 10 issue 3 8.1 out of 10 issue 4 7.9 out of 10

okay there were the here's the one shots they got put out to were supposed to help build interest into the solo the series that were coming out after it so the Black Panther one shot did 8.5 out of 10 planet she hulk did 7.6 exiles did 7.5. Nova Centurion did 8.9 which is the highest rating out of all of them. And Imperial Guardians did 8.2. So, like, they were well received by at least this one source. Now, I do have the means of checking what more, like, individual readers thought. So I use an app to check my, that I used to track my comics, what I need to, you know, buy and whatnot.

So it's comic geek and people leave reviews on those books that are posted there. So, okay, Imperial 1, 4.3 out of 5 out of 2,798 ratings. Wow, pretty good. Imperial number 2 did 4.1 out of 2,106. So what, that's 600 less ratings, but 4.1. That's pretty good. Yep. Imperial 3 did 4.1 out of 1.

1,854. So you're still losing readers as this goes on. And then issue 4, 3.6 out of 1,516. Okay. So a lot of the general consensus I'm seeing is that a lot of people are saying this, the idea was interesting, but the execution fizzled out towards the end. Okay. Because I told you, like, one of the big things that happened at the end is Star Lord has a

hill turn and is now like the emperor of the galactic union which you know goes against the sort of scamp rascal rogue character that he has been used exactly that he's been used at in the last couple of years yeah so that was again you know that was hickman's call to to make that choice and he was like oh fuck it heal now but yeah do you think it's it's one of those things you're like you don't need to mess with success like you don't need to make character like Starlord, who's hard to find it the best of times. Like we said, the consistency, he's not always in the comics. For them to go, okay, here he is again, but now he's bad because who cares?

Like, does that translate? Like, is that like Austin Scyd and Mithmic Man, do you need to do this? Wouldn't you just have him as a befriending of baby face and not mess with a formula? Are people going to buy into Star Lord being a heel? And if they are, can you maintain that long term? Yeah. You know, these are, these are important questions. It's all good to just do it for the sake of a shock or for the sake of buying a comic or I can't believe it.

If you don't know how to follow up with it, then you're like, well, people aren't going to buy it. They're not going to enjoy it, you know? Yeah, well, since we don't really gear too much about spoilers here, so, hey, spoilers out there to folks who might be interested in reading Imperial, even though it's been kind of being put to rest. This is essentially the fallout of that storyline. So, let's see, scrolling through it. It's revealed that the inhumans were behind this big sort of coup, and that Black Bolt was acting in deception with Maximus, his brother, stating that he has been abandoned,

shamed and exiled in the past, but acknowledges that he is proud of Black Bolt's deception. Quill establishes the Galactic Union. The Shiar Empire has declined membership. The Skr Empire has been rejected membership. And the Kree Empire is temporarily abstaining from the union. Quill takes the throne of Spartak's for the time being. So it had some, you know, put some chaos there.

Now, of course, I mentioned this in a previous episode, or at least while we were recording a previous episode. and the second I mentioned to the Inhumans, John stated, what exactly? No one cares about the Inhumans? Exactly. That's exactly what you said. I was about to say it again as well as soon as you brought it up this time. Not wrong. Yeah, and they were a big factor behind it, but they were also a big factor of the DNA era of Cosmic Marvel as well. So there's a precedent there, but yes, you're correct.

Nobody cares about the Inhumans. They had a failed television series. for example, they have tried so many times to make the inhumans a thing with the, the very interesting plot of trying to push the inhumans over the mutants for a period of time, making, you know, Miss Marvel an inhuman originally, and then kind of retconning that to where she's an inhuman and a mutant at the same time now.

Then you also factor in, I mean, for God's sake, they put Warren Ellis on a car. Karnak book. I remember that in like going, I'll read it because it's Warren Ellis and it's an interesting idea, but I don't think anyone gives a shit about Karnak.

And they did not. Correct. It's not. So yeah. I mean, I don't know. Do you think the problem is that the characters are not any good? I mean,

because I mentioned, we mentioned Lobo, right? Because we just talked about how Lobo's got this big push coming up. But there was also a good long period of time where Lobo wasn't around. like do you think that maybe they just need to put cosmic marvel on ice for a couple of years and then maybe try again well that's the problem every time they seem to bring it out and reboot it like it's just shit and again maybe that's just me from a i don't care about space one of you yeah it just doesn't

seem that interesting and like for them to do it and they that's what they do they do it every couple of years every couple of years they'll have a big space event then people go wow space and then they'll forget about it for a couple of years and then bring it back. I mean, I think absolutely the problem is consistency. I think you were correct in that part of the problem might not just be consistency,

but might be storytelling and that the stories they are telling in space are not interesting. That could also be a big factor too. I think if you put those two things together, you've got something that people like doubly don't care about. Like you said with that review,

the first couple of issues were interesting, and it pealed out towards the end because it was something new and interesting they were reading and they were like let's give it a shot but by the end they're like this is just another bullshit marvel in space show so another interesting thing that comes out of this as well as the x-men standpoint right um so after the age of kirkowa they launched the from the ashes era is what they they called this wave of books and that's where you get gail simone writing uncanny you've got jed McKay writing adjective lists. You've got all these new creators doing all this other stuff. And part of that was where like Charles Xavier is missing. And it's revealed that Charles

Xavier is a prisoner in the Graham Alkin Institute, which is the, you know, basically this independent company bought the ex-manion and turned it into a prison for mutants where they're being held against their will and abused and whatnot. And this storyline of X-Man hunt, from what I have kind of just gathered through Scuttlebutt was something that got pushed because Hickman needed Xavier and Lelondra for Imperial. So these books are only about two, three issues in, and they're already getting pushed into a crossover event where Cyclops and Rokes teams are now fighting each other because of Charles Xavier. And then ultimately, he fucks off to space, and it makes it makes the X-Men characters look bad

because now they know like, hey, not only is there a prison in our old school, but like several of our friends are active prisoners there, and they're actually being used as like bloodhounds against other mutants. And we're not going to do anything about that now

because the time has not come for editorial for us to write these storylines. But now it looks like, it makes rogue and everyone look shitty because it's like, oh yeah, siren and blob and you know M some of our friends are prisoner over there we were gonna bust in and break out Xavier

and he just fucked off to space but we're not gonna really worry too much about them now are we? Yeah, see you later. Yeah, it makes them look bad. Oops. You know? I think that's fun where Hickman was like, I need these characters for my silly space Odyssey.

Whereas before this in Marvel they would have just been like half to do something else. But they were like, Yeah, sure. Work away. Well, we will work our books around this to give you what you need. And they did that, and it sucked. Well, and Xavier in LaLanja apparently didn't even play that huge role in the storyline to begin with is what a lot of people were saying.

Like, they're part of the exiles or Imperial Guardians book in like, who gives a shit? Because now those books are getting canceled. Right. What was the point? So, like, you kind of threw the X-Men into the fire for no reason. Yeah. So, so yeah, I've seen a lot of X-Men fans that are upset about this, not because these cosmic books failed,

but because, like, you know, it looks bad on the characters to be like, we know there's a secret prison over here, but we ain't going to do shit about it, you know? Right, like, can they go back now? Like, now that the thing is done, like, nobody gives the shit about the space thing. Can they just go back and, well, no, it's okay. Sure they will, yeah.

Yeah. At some point, you hope, at least. Yeah. Nice. They can leave the blob there, though. Who cares about the blob? He's a sympathetic character to some people. I felt bad for his. The one I felt bad for, they did this one shot, like, sort of like,

kind of in the tradition of the Hellfire Gala. They did, like, the Hellfire Memorial, essentially. And Banshee, like, tries to talk to his daughter, Siren about, like, hey, you're in prison. We need to get you out of there. And she's like, no, I'm a terrible, awful evil mutant. And I need to be in prison. and like said this amongst all of their other friends and family and no one did anything.

It's just like everyone looks bad. Everyone looks bad. Right. But we're not an extra podcast. Not yet. Not yet. I mean, we're mostly an X-Men podcast. Dangerously close to X-Men podcast territory, but not quite.

I mean, if that's what you want to talk about causing Marvel failing, we're going to end this episode talking about the X-Men. okay I mean that's what we just did yeah well we often do as we often do so I mean to put a bow on it it sucks that's what happened it sucks that Hickman doesn't seemingly I don't want to say lost his magic touch but I mean that's two big things in a row that kind of petered out and I don't know if it's just because like more people care about X-Men and the Fantastic Four and the Avengers than they fucking care about magic and space. Maybe he needs to dial things back a little bit as well. Maybe not go quite so big. And I mean, I guess that's kind of the gimmick of having Hickman is him, you know, writing these big sprawling epics, which have got so much detail and stuff put into them. But, you know, maybe just dial it back a little bit,

make it a bit more kind of palatable for comic book reading audiences. Yeah. Well, speaking of things that can be consumed and enjoyed, John, what's your movie count out for the year? I am currently on 253 movies, 2026. There you go. what's your most recent one um it was uh i've been watching a lot of kind of horror movies recently uh because there's a bunch which are leaving amazon prime soon uh so i've watched a lot of vincent price movies recently but this wasn't a vincent price movie this was uh by the same guy who wrote

child's play and all those movies uh and it's called seller dweller oh and it happens has like a bit of a comic book connection as well because like it opens up with uh you know geoffrey coombs from like um yeah uh reanimator a bunch of frightners he's he had a big role in star trek keeps space nine basically he's a comic book artist who also has like uh uh stumbled across some like occult supernatural uh books or something and he draws like this sort of demon monster in this comic book and then the monster comes to life

and kills a woman and then he kills himself because he's so distraught about it and then yeah someone else comes to this house where all this happened

another comic book artist and then she starts like drawing the same creature as well and more murder in shoes there you go love murder what did you give cellar dweller I gave it three stars out of five

that's not bad yeah for a 90 minute movie it was fine there you go best you can hope for sometimes so John if they want to see more detailed thoughts on some of these other Vincent Price movies that you were watching though where can they go

they can head to letterbox and find me at big job Wombowski, All right. Dylan, what have you been up to this week? Well, on Monday nights, I do a radio show at 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock UK time. It's available online. You can watch it or listen to it on your browser. Bynce DigitalRadio.coded UK, if you check, whatever your conversion rate is, to UK time, listen to it at 9 o'clock. 11 o'clock. Monday nights you'll hear my cool show. We play all sorts of

cool music. I sometimes stream on Twitch at Spooky the Root and put animations up on YouTube, Tim Crows and I, and that's it. That's it. Well, I have my other show, a large old cup, which my last episode was about being

nearly 40 years old in a mosh pit for the first time in a while. I am significantly bruised up because it has been a couple of days now. but that is a spoken word podcast that sort of stream of consciousness i kind of just go in and go off the dome and see what happens i also have our other show uh new number ones where i go into the comic store every week and i try to find it issue number one from a non-marvel or dc publisher to kind of bring awareness to some of the smaller groups out there so i'm always looking for something weird i've noticed a lot of them tend to be horror related though god bless we are in the time of the small label horror comics but it's a horrific time it's a horrific time but that's going to do us all for this week

thank you for joining us in our discussion on cosmic Marvel and where they have fallen and where we think they could do better which ultimately seems to be just have some faith in your characters and be consistent if you can try you know if you can try more rocket raccoon

he's popular great character team him up with Jeff the Landshark and you got a book there I read it Throwing baby joggernaut No That's our character Well yeah

But then we get to write it Well they have to make sure I don't want them writing it on our behalf I'm like I don't want that No we're going to write it Okay All right But until next week

We'll see you guys later Goodbye Goodbye Bye Bye Bye