The Smark Avengers - Ranking X-Men Villains From S to D (Magneto, Apocalypse & More)

Episode Date: May 15, 2026

Who are the best—and worst—X-Men villains of all time? In this episode, Corey, Dylan, and Jon put some of the most iconic enemies of the X-Men through the ultimate test: a tier list ranking from S to D. From legendary masterminds to questionable henchmen, nothing is safe from debate. Villains featured include: Magneto (Jon’s favorite—so expect strong opinions) Apocalypse Mister Sinister Mystique Sabretooth Bastion Toad And more from across X-Men history Each character is judged on power, impact, storylines, and overall legacy, but when the guys can’t agree… things get heated. Who belongs in S Tier as an all-time great? Who gets pushed down to D Tier as a disappointment? And which rankings will spark the biggest arguments? If you love X-Men comics, villain breakdowns, and chaotic tier list debates, this episode is for you. 💬 Join the debate: How would YOU rank these X-Men villains? Who did we get completely wrong? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy tier lists and comic debates 🔔 Subscribe for more comic book rankings, deep dives, and weekly episodes Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

Some of those weirdos became president of the United States. I mean, Nixon was a carnival worker. Lincoln did wrestle in carnivals as well. Didn't Teddy Roosevelt? Trump's the doctor. Teddy Roosevelt breath. Well, God.

Or Jesus. He's one of the other. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Spark Avengers movies. Corey, with me's Dylan and John. John out of fucking nowhere like a sniper

with that one caught us all off guard welcome to the show how's going guys I'm good man I'm good yep not too bad I was right and high

on that fucking intro right now I've got to talk for a moment there so happy to have you guys here so today for the show I'm just kind of get right into it couple of months ago, we did a tier list where we went over members of the X-Men, kind of

with the more prominent members of the group. And on a scale of like S to D, we kind of put them where we thought they belonged and had a good time doing it. It's been a hot minute since we did it. So I thought we could do some similar treatment to the X-Men villains, because X-Men villains are very wide and varied. You've got your mutant-hating humans, your mutant-hating robots, your mutant hating mutants, your human hating mutants, they're run the gamut. You've got some aliens there. Yeah, a lot of, just like...

There's a lot of hate in the X-Men world, isn't there? Mm-hmm. There you go. Well, so we'll go ahead and jump over into our tier system and kind of get to work. So, again, what we'll do is, you know, I'll present a character, and then we'll decide where they go.

We might be an agreement. We might not be an agreement. It might have to negotiate a little bit, but we'll figure it out as we get along. we have to spin a wheel no no wheel this time we're straight up going to negotiate sure

do I can get a wheel yeah you can just spin your own wheel yeah you should get a wheel in your hoist and just like pull it out and then just spin it Dylan that can be done you have a wheel

I don't have one now but I can get one they are not that hard to come by it could be a little one any one I could just hold it and spin it John, if I asked you to get a spinny wheel like that, how quickly would you be able to get one? With Amazon? With Amazon, I'd get in two days. Yeah, I guess.

Amazon ruined everything. They really did. It used to be a lot harder to get weird stuff. Yeah. Back of the day, it was a possible. It was a pretty spinny wheel. All right. Well, I'm going to go ahead and jump over to our tier raker.

By the way, this is a live tier, a tier system. So the URL you're going to be able to see if you're watching this on YouTube. I'll also read it out. You can find the Smart Avengers X-Men Supervillains Tier list to make your own. Aw. Okay. Yeah. All right.

So, yep, we are on Tiermaker.com. There is a search function. So I believe if you search X-Men villains or Smart Avengers, you should be able to find this. We did put this together on our lonesome. So there are 25 names here of villains. We will work our way through them. And if you feel like we should have included some people that we didn't, by all means, let us know in the comments.

But until then, are you guys ready to get started? Yes. All right. So we have S, A, B, C, and D this time around. We did not create E or F. We didn't. We didn't. E last time.

Louis must sit up. We didn't. E was one that you created spiritually. Because there was some, I can't remember who it was in particular, but you, but somebody needed to be an E tier. Might have been Jubilee, in your opinion. Hmm. I think Ghibit would have been apt here.

All right, so we're going to go ahead and get started. We're going to work away from the bottom to the top, and we're going to start out with William Stryker for the Reverend Stryker, if you're going back to the old days. Very famous mutant-hating human. What are your thoughts on Mr. Stryker and where he stands in the rankings as a X-Men villain? I mean, he was pretty important for a while. but he hasn't done anything for a while either.

Is he dead? Possibly. I think he might have died, yeah. I mean, he was quite old. I would explain why he hasn't done anything in a while. So I'll give him that. But, you know. I would say as well, he's basically only had really one good story

in the whole, what was it, God-love's man kills, like, story. And aside from the movies as well, where he kind of ended up becoming a big character. Yeah. He hasn't really done a whole lot, which I would say is worth, you know, talking about.

Yeah. Possibly because he died. Possibly, yes. Yeah. But he just don't know. Right. Even if he wasn't dead, we don't really know. So he hasn't done a whole lot.

So, like the thing he did do was pretty big. Like, that was a big storyline. But also, like, in terms of, like, consequences recurring villainness it's it's hard to rank them too high i mean i'm thinking sort of c tier i was thinking c tier yeah c tier interesting yeah yeah you put him i i i was honestly when i was putting it together i was like oh this is going to be our d tier villain right here um i mean i can see a detour year yeah i can see that you know i think just because he had the one good at least, and he has been a major player in the movies.

That, for me, puts him just slightly above day. He has notoriety, in other words. Yeah, I would say so, yeah. Okay, yeah. I have no problem putting him there with that argument in place. So, Mr. Stryker, their good reverend himself, will be our first edition to the C list. Up next, we have, from the future,

the leader of the upstarts Trevor Fitzroy. Thoughts on Trevor Fitzroy. Uh... Who did he kill? I believe he killed some Morlocks for sure. Didn't he kill somebody that was a deal? I don't remember. Major enemy of Bishop in particular.

Was it, was it Bishop's sister? Like sister, yeah. Yeah. Shard? I'm thinking of it. Yeah. Likely. Okay.

I felt like it was something to do with Bishop, because Bishop came, like, haunt him or something? Was that Bishop? I think then Bishop Head back I mean he did kill him, yes We were introduced to It's Roy

Well Bishop came back Just find the traitor Yeah Yeah Well and I think they did a They did a story There was a series called I think it was X-Men Legacy

That was the idea of like We're going to take creative teams And let them go back And write a new story In the timeline And style that they were writing Previously was somebody, I can't remember who it was, might have been

Simmons. They did write a bishop story that was set in the future that, you know, actually showed it was Bishop's fault that Fitzroy got out of prison to begin with. The bishop basically was, you know, the people he was working for, he got really kind of disillusioned with him and allowed himself to get manipulated by Fitzroy into freeing him essentially. Okay. Doesn't sound like a whole lot of us have a lot of thoughts of

Benzroy here. I mean, I thought Corey was a bit of a fan. Yeah, I'm a fan of the character. I liked, you know, he got used in Peter David's run on X Factor with the Madrox team. Madrox get basically sent to the future and it showed essentially Fitzroy's origins where he was originally a good guy and actually a lover of Scott Summers and Emma Frost's daughter, but he died in the light of duty and Layla Miller resurrected him using her powers and that was the big reveal that when Laylo Miller resurrects someone, they come back without a soul, and that's why Fitzroy is evil. So, you know, it was kind of cool seeing that. He was a minor villain in Jed McKay's X-Men at the very beginning. Basically, he was working for 3K with a new

version of the upstarts where they were killing mutants again, but they were live-streaming themselves, killing mutants, which, I don't know, that felt very much like, oh, what are the kids doing these days? They're live-streaming violent acts. But it felt it didn't feel like right for Trevor Fitzroy to be doing that because he's a character from the future and he would probably view like streaming as like

kind of like outdated and old fashioned like it didn't seem like yeah um yeah I don't know how many kids these days are live sharing themselves killing mutants but I get you know well yeah there's all of those stories

that you see in the news every now and then of like oh yeah these kids like brutally attacks someone and they were streaming the whole time they did it. It's just silly because whenever I was young, you always cover your tracks. Yeah, that's called evidence is what that is. Never wouldn't make evidence. Like that's how you get caught, man. We, that's the thing. Kids these days, they don't know how to kill people properly. We used to be really good. You know, I never got caught once.

We keeping that in the episode? I hope so. Okay. Just want to make sure. Keep that admission of guilt alive. well what they have no evidence to get me i mean an admission of guilt is i mean an admission of guilt is kind of evidence is anybody going to believe me i say all sorts of dumb shit in the podcast i'm not i'm gonna be scott free all i have to do is show other episodes of this podcast as evidence on my behalf and i will get off scot-free so that's your that's your strategy if i say enough weird and a bullshit, the realness that I do slip in every now and then it's going to go

completely unnoticed. There you go. Anyway. Or you get accused of more crimes. Yeah, there you go. So are we putting Trevor Fitzroy. Yeah. I think it's fine for him, to be honest with you.

I would also, I do love the character. I think his power set's really kind of cool as this kind of weird energy vampire. But I could, they also haven't done a ton with him. So if he's a D, he's a D. See, I would have said C because I like the, like the, What I've heard about him, I like, but I just haven't read a lot of his stories, so I can't really... I was going to say B. Okay.

So we're going to go with D. All right, Trevor Fitzroy will put in the D area. Up next, though, we got a friend of ours that we have spent some time talking on the show about. We're going to have our good buddy Toad. Toad, I think is technically dead right now. I think the last time he was in the comic, Sabretooth killed him. And I don't know if they resurrected him on Krakola before it went away. So we might be in a toadless world at the moment.

Oh, he'll come back. You hope so. How could you forget about Toad? They all come back. Oh, they did. That was a big, that was actually a big point of Carcola. But anyway, yes, we have our good friend in Mortimer Toneby in his little jester outfit and his... Not a great name.

It's a much better name. It's rare where Toad would be a better name than your actual name. But this is the case. He is sort of the shocker of mutants, though. I mean, he's more often than not sort of portrayed to be like a lackey or, I mean, literally a toady. But like, you know, I remember there was that brief period of time in the 90s where he was the leader of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, you know. And look what happened then. Didn't, not a lot.

Not a lot good. No. Nobody remembers. I mean, as an X-Men character, I would say that he is very, I mean, he has been in the movies. He has been in the animated series. He was a big part of X-Men. evolution that that series from the 2000s late 90s 2000s so i mean he he is a character with some uh with some presence yeah like notoriety people know him he was big in the films he was big in the

cartoon he's been a pretty big presence for a long time in the comics even if he's not doing anything major like when he turns up you know who it is you know even when he's not wearing his weird fucking medieval outfit which I never understood what the fuck that was about you know like Toad just like Magneto turns up looking like Magneto

and then beside him is Toad He looks like he came from like 400 years ago Like what? Why? More than that what? How long ago was that medieval time? I mean Yeah you probably go back like 5, 600 years maybe I don't know

Yeah quite a while ago It's an odd design choice Yeah Definitely unique look to him for sure I mean modern day Tode is essentially like in a poncho You know it's a much more stripped down version Of this look

Ponto is not a great look either No it's you know I mean He's never been blessed with many good looks If you're not counting like What he wore in the X-Men movie and What have you? even then in like x-men evolution he had like a real weird looking costume either way he's appropriating some sort of culture he's a part of it still feels like appropriating it

you mean it's like you know this is this is odd you know i mean just off the top of my head i would say b b because he's like yeah he's never like super big he's like you've always said he's always like a lackey he's up but he's always there you mean he's recognizing You know, this is a really weird notoriety thing for him to have. But when they first started making the Marvel Legends line of action figures, he was in the first wave. So, like, Mattel was like, well, clearly we need to have a toad figure along with Iron Man and Captain America. Yeah, it's just popular. Yeah.

And for the longest time, that was, like, the best action figure of him. And then, like, four, like two, three years ago, they did a re-release where they basically went back to that first line and redid them. and he got an even like cooler looking figure out of it somehow. Somebody at Mattel or Hasbro, whoever the fuck makes those toys. Like they have a thing for Toad. Right. It's popular. You know what you mean? So Dylan's saying B, John, do you agree with that assessment?

I mean, I'm kind of torn between B and C. Because I think he does have presence. He, you know, he's one of the more recognizable. evil mutants, but in terms of like threat and in terms of like the damage he's done to the X-Men over the years,

it's not exactly you know, a stellar career he's had as a villain. I mean, he did kill the Scarlet Witch, which was, you know, as we have discussed, the most powerful and prominent, popular and greatest comic book character

of all time. So if that's the case, he should be like above S tier, absolutely. Yeah. It was part of a coup and he was there to take the fucking fall because, yeah, whatever, that storyline. It should be more powerful than Magneto. I do want to say, we will have to at some point define what's going to separate,

not an S tier from an A tier, but an A tier from a B tier at this point. Because I feel like that's going to be some weird splitting hairs because, like, how is someone greater but not the best. I think that's going to be where we're going to have some struggles. I will figure it. Between A and B. Oh, A and B, I think. I think, well...

I think our S tiers are going to be apparent. It's going to be A and B where we're going to be struggling a bit. Okay. Well, okay, let's say for now, let's put him in B tier then. Okay. With the potential of moving... Yeah. We can move more.

on. Yeah, we'll get to a halfway mark and we'll re-examine where we are. All right. Up next, we have his frequent running mate, the blob. Any thoughts on the blob? I mean, we did a whole... He got a fourth of an episode dedicated to his backstory and everything. Do you rank him at the same level as Toad?

I mean, he's just as iconic, just as he's been in the movies. He was in that X-Men Wolverine origin movie. He was in the animated series. Feelings on the blob. I kind of think so Because I feel like he is a very iconic character I think if we talk about X-Men villains The Blob like

Is one of those ones that would come to your Mind pretty quickly Like for example This list We know everybody on this list Because we read comics and we're an X-Men podcast But if you went to somebody That was like vaguely familiar with the X-Men

And you were like Name 10 X-Men villains you know, they're not going to say Trevor Fitzroy. They're going to say the blob. So I think in terms of the blob, I would view him kind of similar to Toad in that in terms of like threat level or damage or whatever, he's never like a high priority.

He is always kind of a nuisance and he is always kind of there and is some sort of threat. And is he still alive? I don't know. I have no idea he's still alive anymore. Yeah, Bob's smart. Blab spent Krakowah as a bartender, so he was not really in any danger for the most part.

He is currently, he is currently imprisoned at Gray Malkin in, not in for a penitentiary or whatever the fuck it's called. Being a bartender? Yeah, yeah, he got a red because he's a mutant. Oh. So yeah, he's been in prison and he was converting into one of their, like, hounds that go and, like, attack other mutants. In theory, because none of the books have really done anything with that plot line, by the way. Ah, okay.

Does he still have his sweet handlebar mustache? I don't think so. I'm not sure. Like I said, it's been a while since he turned up. I think the last time was at the Hellfire Vigil. But, yeah, I mean, he's alive. He's imprisoned and being used to hunt down mutants. What a great life.

Yeah. There was that alternate reality that for a period of time where he was a hero in dating Cylock, though. Yeah, but there was also other universe where he hate the Wasp or whatever. Yeah. There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm not going to look for it. No, I want you to explain the joke in graphic detail, please, Corey. I'm talking about eating pussy there, Dylan. Wasp?

Yep. Moving on. Is this thing when you do it? Is it supposed to sting? It's weird. The lips get all puffed up when you're doing it. Oh, well, that's part of it. Yeah.

Anyway, could Lord. Yeah, that might not be getting the cut. That might not be getting the cut. Anyway. Where are we putting, are we putting blob on B tier? I'd say, I would say blob is similar to code.

And I feel like whatever tier we put, one of the main. Yeah. I feel like that. There's a reason Pyrot and Avalanche turned on this list either because they would be in that same bucket. I think they'd probably be in like C tier, wouldn't they? Probably, but I mean, they're just as like equitable, you know?

Yeah. Famous for being members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, basically. Yeah. All right. Up next, though, we have the clone of Cable, Strife. Where do you see Strife? Big X-Force villain back in the 90s? huge history has to do his identity for the longest time

yes and it turns out it was cable turns out it was basically cable it was cable uh i really like strife i think he's a fun interesting character you know that kind of like cable but without any um restraint but also is evil has like a thing with apocalypse on a cable and like all sorts of like you know

just storyline potential I really like strife a lot you know in terms of like villain I think that he is a very good antagonist you could build a book around him they have done yeah

he's a lot more effective than any of the ones we've talked about so far he's basically ruled the future didn't he yeah yeah it's like timeline so yeah I would say I would be leaning towards a

more than S I don't think he's like top tier of X-Men villains but I think he's still pretty high up there. I agree. I think he's due for a more like modern take on him because it feels like he's not been around in a while. Yeah. I feel like for him as prominent as he was in the 90s, I do feel like we were owed a strife return.

But I do not disagree with him being an A-tier villain because he's not enough to be as he's fucking overtowed and blob though. Yeah, without a doubt. But, like, yeah, if he did, like, have a more modern, you know, um, escapade, maybe it would be a little higher if they bought him in back in as a threat. But I think that like whenever you see him, he's been a pretty big threat. So I think eight here is pretty fair. All right.

Up next, Shadow King. Frequent enemy of Storm, karma and Charles Xavier himself. Mm-hmm. Pretty solid power set as well. Yeah. Featured rather recently in the Krakola era, I think in the New Mutants book in particular. Yeah, yeah.

Plus he was the villain in that Legion TV show as well. That a lot of people forgot about. I didn't see it. It was pretty good. That's all I heard is it was great. Just nobody was really watching it. I didn't. I feel like we're going to rank Shadow King pretty high, right?

I mean, I feel like you have to be a tier. Yeah, same. For, like, very minimal. Yeah, I couldn't put, I wouldn't put him at an S by any means. He's pretty powerful. He's powerful, yes, but, like, again, like, his reach isn't as far as, like, others. Like, I wouldn't put him on the same level as Magneto or Apocalypse as, you know, fucking spoiler. Those are where those guys are probably ending up.

it feels like it but I definitely again feel him is that how we're going to separate A from B is like Toad and Blob are you above Toad and Blob? Yeah it feels that way Also we have reserved the right to move Toad and Blob down one if he needs to

Understandable I feel like if we do that now though it's going to completely ruin Yeah Well I don't know because I think if if we moved blob and tow down one now that wouldn't change anything

because we still have Strife and Shadow King as A's. And I don't think that like, I think you know, the reach of a C tier is pretty wide where you're like, okay, these two guys didn't do a whole lot, but they're around a lot.

Whereas Stryker wasn't around a whole lot, but did a lot when he was arrived. So you can kind like they kind of balance each other. I don't think it messes with stuff too much. I think we can keep things as they are right now. I don't think we need to move them around. Okay.

So we're good with Shadow King being a A tier. Yes. All right. So I will say this is kind of like to maybe put a pin on the discussion. C feels like this is a character that is a little on the minor side, but has been portrayed in other media. And D is going to be a character that a minor side and doesn't have that. same like social caveat because fitzroy was in the animated series but i don't think he's been in anything else right but like how memorable was he like was he a big deal yeah exactly

you know all right so up next we have representing the hellfire club sebastian shaw sebastian shaw where do we feel about our man who has the ability to absorb kinetic energy essentially um nice face hair good set of mutton chops Yeah. Love a colonial Regency dress. Yeah. I was always curious about that.

That's such a very specific thing to do with your appearance. He stands out. It certainly does. He's supposed to be a business man as well. Imagine walking into a business meeting. There he is. I do a lot of like,

so in my job, I see a lot of businessmen in their day to day. I've not seen somebody in pantaloons and stockings that is for sure that's the problem it's a power move of anything like this motherfucker has some beliefs in himself if he uh is walking around with that the style thing you mean yeah then how many things you see in your day they like to have mutton chops either

like it's it's all confidence no Sebastian of all of the various members of the hellfire club Sebastian Shaw always felt like the one whose ambitions weren't as high as the others, you know? Yep. Like, when I think of, like, the Phoenix stuff, I always think that's more of, like, mastermind and Emma Frost than it was Sebastian Shaw.

Like, it seemed like he was much more, like, capitalism-minded than anything else. Like, it, like, being a mutant or whatever, he didn't give a shit about that. It was like, how much money can I make? I guess. Yeah. At the same time, he's basically been the de facto leader of the Hellfire Club

for, you know, the longest time. And they've always been a thorn in the side of the X-Men. Yeah. You say that, but I mean, the Hellfire Club... Well, I mean, I'm just saying, like, the Hellfire Club nowadays, like, most... The more frequent, like, portrayed as villains were those, like, weird little kids. That era of the Hellfire Club, the Tiny Tots version. Because in Krokoa, like, he was the Elfire Club or whatever was part of the shipping company,

and he was getting his his wrist smacked by Emma Frost and Kitty Pride on a pretty frequent basis. Yeah, but I mean like for 30 years before that, though. True. It was basically sure. Yeah, but again, like, aside from the Phoenix saga, like, what all did they do? Right. I think that he, well, I feel like Shaw specifically has always had that kind of business mindset to it. He's always more about making money.

Well, I'm saying, I guess what I'm saying is I see Sebastian Shaw, C tier, in my opinion. Because you got that Kevin Bacon portrayal but that, you know, that is what it is. But it means, Kevin Bacon, come on, you know. Okay, that's an interesting take. I don't think John would have went without. No. He has, he's been portrayed in other

media. I would have said... Yeah, I was even tempted to say A tier, but like, I think B would be sort of acceptable. Yeah. I think B's too high for Sebastian Shaw, right now. I would have said B.

Just like, yeah, I would have said B. Yeah. I don't know. Because when I see like the other members of the Hellfire Club, aside from Harry Leland, all the other members, like, I feel like they've got a much more easily defined modus operandi, whether it's Donald Pierce or Celine or even Emma Frost if we're going back to the old days, you know?

Sure. He just felt like I'm the leader of the Hellfire Club, and that was like as far as it went. he does have his relationship with his shitty kid Shinobi a terrible name for a child by the way he does have a presence though like he is a rindalot well again he's a figure head he's supposed to be

I just don't feel like individually he brings much to the table aside from like run-of-the-mill capitalism like he's Lex Luthor without being a super genius you know okay but he dresses better does much better

He's definitely a LARPR. We know that for sure. Where? So, I mean, it sounds like the two of you are for B, I'm for C, and I'll take, I'll get outvoted on this one. I'm fine. I'll accept that. I just kind of want it to be known. I see him more online with like a William Stryker than I do Toad and Blob and that's saying something.

Okay. We'll go with that. All right. Up next, though, we have our character. might be our first S tier potentially. Sabretooth. Now, obviously, Sabretooth, much more of a Wolverine villain, per se, but definitely has had his encounters with the X-Men multiple times,

been a member of the X-Men and of X-Factor before in the past as well. But I will say the one thing that will hold Sabretooth back is not ambitious enough. You know, as a villain, he doesn't have the same kind of large-scale motivations as a sinister or an apocalypse or a magneto, much more personal. I'd want to make this one particular guy's life hell and kill a bunch of people in the process. Yeah, well, that's good to have like a goal.

I think he's more iconic than a strife and a Shadow King, but I don't know if I would put him S-tier. I just off the top of my head would have said A-tier. Yeah. Like, I like Super Truth a lot. I think he's a great character. But again, it's quite,

like circumstantial you can't put him into every book and it'll be good you know yeah well obviously he's like a really great villain for wolverine as well but in terms of like his power set and what he brings to the table as like a threat to like the x-men in general i mean he doesn't really have that much to offer he's just a guy with sharp claws on the healing factor and like a sadistic streak a mile long, but, you know, I don't know. I don't think that makes him like a truly top-tier villain, even as fun and, you know, gnarly as he can be. Yeah, I think he's a great villain.

I don't know if he's like an amazing villain. So it does sound like we're all in agreement with A-tier then. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Because that's just kind of how I'm viewing that as well. well, like I said, he doesn't have the larger scale motivation as other villains tend to. Speaking of somebody with some high, high motivations, we have Nimrod next. Nimrod, the future

perfect Sentinel, some would say. You know, we've seen him hate mutants and humans alike. What are your opinions on Nimrod who had a very big run in recent years as kind of the face of Orcus? I haven't read any of that, so I don't know how he is being portrayed. John, do what were your opinions on Nimrod's use in the Kerkowa era? I mean, it was, I think, the best that the character has been used and portrayed before. So I give them points to that, but at the same time, it's not really a character that I've ever had, like, you know, any kind of liking towards. is he's just you know

I don't know he's just a robot guy that means a sentient sentinel essentially you know he's a sentinel but like Bastion is for example but we'll get to Bastion

eventually as well he seems way not as interesting as Bastion I don't know I would say Nimrod is more interesting than Bastion to me but interesting okay

yeah but even then that's like false praise because I don't find Nimrod that interesting terrible name I will say Nimrod by the way it's a terrible name hey this is our new X-Men villain

Moron yeah his associates jackass and fucking morphe it's a it's a biblical thing yeah exactly but you know in more modern day use

more of an insult right none of us already know what the biblical meaning of it is so we can't really comment on that so yeah where would you put Nimrod on this list it sounds definitely that we don't have as high opinion of him as we do a saber tooth a strife or a shadow king so i'm going to say a is probably out of the ordinary or out of the question i think so i feel like he's a guy that's had quite a presence and has done some stuff been in some storylines i haven't read the new one so i don't know what we're talking about i mean we're told he's

a threat is what it feels like yes yeah i'm like you know either b or c probably I don't know. I don't know enough about him to to properly. I would say either B or C. I mean, I'm kind of leaning towards C. Okay. I see, my only problem with that is

it does feel just like he has been used way more importantly than Toad or Sebastian Shaw or Blab. I mean, like I said, he was kind of the face of Orcus, which was the big long-standing threat in the background of Garcoa for the entire run. Right, but I also think, like, in terms of, like, big storylines that we're talking about

and presence and, like, being in the X-Men books. But, I mean, that's what he has, though. He was the big threat and the big presence in Krokoa. Right, but, like, I mean, like, storyline-wise, he's done, like, two big storylines. But, I mean, that one storyline lasted for, like, five years. I haven't read it. It wasn't the main villain. in it, though, was he so...

I mean, was there a mega-Settinal? There was... There is equals as well. I was gonna say, like, Mr. Sinister was more the main villain in that story going. Yeah, but, I mean, Sinister, I don't think Sinister was portrayed as an active villain for the most part.

He was kind of there in the background the entire time, like, kind of just doing his own thing as Sinister does. And the fact that any... Like, we'll get to Sinister in, like, literally two seconds, I'm sure, but I feel like B is like C is undercutting his importance because like we are told that oh yeah Nimrod's important yes

but we were like actually told Nimrod's important as opposed to Toad and Blob who were frequently told are idiots This is making me question Odum globs placing again We can move him down if you want I'm thinking if we put Nimrod in the B tier, then we might have to move Todom blob down to C. Which I think that makes sense.

I don't feel like we're going to get an argument out of putting about downgrading Totem blob to C. Okay. Okay, so we'll go ahead and we'll move Tod and blob down to C tier. We'll put Nimrod at B. I feel like that's uncomfortable with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.

Up next, though, we have a heavy hitter. We have somebody who has also been a perpetual thorn in the side of the mutants for ever also a former member of x factor uh mystique so mystique obviously she is as dangerous spy and assassin uh where would you put her in this list in comparison to others i would put her in a tier because i i think she's got that same kind of level of notoriety as saber tooth maybe more than She's always a big threat. Something always goes down whenever mystique's involved. It's always important.

She's never like, destroy the world. Kind of important. That, you know, Striper Shadow King might be, but she's still pretty like, you know, in terms of like on the grind, kind of more realistic threat.

She's always there. She's always kind of kind of, um, had a presence to her. So I would say A tier. I'm not going to disagree with you. You've got no

arguments for me either. All right. So we're going to put Mystique in the A tier as well. Up next, though, we have somebody who also might have an interesting discussion here. We have Mr. Sinister, who we were literally just talking about a couple of moments ago. Yes.

While a part of the quiet council in Krokoa and with them throughout their struggles, he was sort of there as a Machiavellian sort of type, where he was a sought-after member of the community and had his group of Hellions that were there doing sort of dirty work that nobody else wanted to get their hands dirty with, but ultimately did portray them,

like many people rightfully assumed he would. We have Mr. Sinister, the geneticist gone mad. So, Corey, I want to pick up on the point you made earlier. Yes. Because, like I said, I haven't read it, but I've, you know, I'm familiar with some of the stuff that goes on. and like to me it felt like mr sinister was like one of the real big bads of that whole storyline i felt like a lot of it kind of revolved around him or around his kind of mythos i know that technically

you can say there are four mr sinister's or whatever the fuck and then but like it all kind of to me it all seemed like the whole point of it was for whatever that consciousness was you know that that was a goal of mr sinister set out and it all kind of revolved around him. At least that part of the storyline seemed to revolve around him. And like I said, I haven't read it, but what I've heard of the storyline,

that seemed like it was a pretty big part of it. And I would have said he was a much bigger part of it than Nimrod. Again, from what I've heard. Well, I think the thing about it is, like, Sinister's methodologies and technology was used by Orcus. But, I mean, ultimately, the conflict in Krakowah was the mutants versus the Alps. outside world because I like the X-Men world, but Krakhoa was doomed the second that Charles

Xavier and Magneto kind of started waving their dicks around. And they did that immediately with just like, we're going to, we're our own sovereign nation. You have to respect that. We're going to put up portals in all of your countries, though. So you got to let our people walk through your portals. And if not, we will send out pirates to come smuggle our people out of your country. Like, there was a lot of hubris at play. So to me, that was the main conflict of Kerkowa was the mutants against the human world once again, this time with a little bit of shared antagonism. I mean, I would say they were doomed the second they welcomed Mr. Sinister into the fold

and put him on the White Council and became reliant on his sort of technology as well for the whole genetic sort of catalog that he put together of all the mutants to help them with the resurrection protocols which allowed him to then put his like own

personalities into people as they kind of resurrected and then allowed him to recreate Moira's powers and then fuck up the timeline completely and like for me Sinister was definitely

a major reason for Krokoa going as badly as it did. Right. So, I mean, I would 100% put him in the S tier, just on that alone. Oh, yeah. But that's it. I'm not disagree with Sinister being S tier. Not even just that, but, like, if you think about everything else, Sinister has done, has been a big major player.

Loaning Gene Gray and the Marauders, you know, taking up the blocks. Exactly. He's always had a big presence. I think S-tier is pretty fair. His fascination with the Summers family. Yeah, which may or not do a good thing, you know. I don't see how that would be a good thing at all. Well, you know, it was intriguing a bit, and then you're like, all right, wild child, really?

All right, well, we got Magneto, so we're just going to go ahead and put him an S-tier. Yep. Up we go. Is it worth, I mean, we have to say something. maybe he's Magneto There he go That's what you need to say He's the OG

Even though he's been on the side of Angels now for close to 20 years He's Magneto You know Yeah Can't see anything else So yeah Let's move on

We got Lady Deathstroke next The Deathstroke usually associating herself With the Revers more times than not Pain in the you know, former love of Wolverine, anti-mutant in that sense as well. So what are our thoughts on Lady Death Strike? You know, straightaway I was going to say B-tier,

because she's pretty deadly, she's pretty threatening, like she's a big deal. But then I was like, does she actually do anything when she's around? Is she like C-tier because she has that notoriety, but also like isn't doing anything of note, you know? That's exactly. what I was just thinking as well. Like my first thought was B tier

and then looking at who we've got in B and C and like thinking about the impact that she's had. I don't know. I think she is more of a C tier than a B tier at this point. Yeah, I think so. Corey? I mean, you're not getting an argument for me.

I think I had that exact same journey as well where I was like, all right, well, yeah, B tier, but then like what does she actually accomplished what she's actually done. I mean, even when they introduced her in the animated series, they introduced her and then she got jobbed out to that alien, you know?

Right. Don't remember that. Yeah, her first storyline, she's already on the, you know, the downside. You get jobbed out to aliens. Probably not a good sign. So, put her over in C tier, she'll join the rights of the likes of striker,

toad, and blob. I feel bad for her prince Roy. I mean, you know, he just doesn't have as much going for him. Is there by himself? Well, don't worry. We got some names that might be joining him shortly. Not this guy. Nope, nope, because he's the father of the mascot of our show.

It's the juggernaut. I mean, we got to put him at the very least A tier, right? Yeah, I would say at the very least he's A tier. Just because unique, unique look, power set, he's very, you know. you know, he's unrivaled for the most part. Even again, he's on the side of angels and has been for a while. I still am weirdly in disagreement of it. I don't like Juggernauts being in the X-Men.

I've stated it before. But, I mean, he's iconic. And I feel like that alone makes him a tier. He's got that personal history with Professor X as well. I think that's why he's okay with being in the X-Men now, because Charles isn't really involved him. They've buried the hatchet, but it's also like, you hold a grudge against someone for a while just because you're like,

listen, I know that wasn't your fault. You don't want to be buddies with him. Right. I'm with you and I don't like him or McNino being people. Like, they're not. It's weird. Yeah. Especially the talking about you're like,

this is not the way it should be. He's not a mutant. No. And they always bring it up. Whenever he is on the team, there's always a fight where he gets brought up. And then he gives some impassioned speech about, oh, they accepted me what no one else did. Black Tom Cassidy accepted you and no one else did too, boss.

What happened? Yeah, exactly. And he's whatever. Yeah, we saw, he was insane and on Cordova. Yeah, who knows? I don't know. Honestly, just out of love for the character, I want to put him in S tier, but I think A tier is pretty fair.

I think you have to, when I think an S tier, I think a character is that are iconic and powerful and have, like, wide set goals. and I think, like, you know, Sinister and Magneto are very, are visionaries with what they want to accomplish. Whereas, like, some of the other characters not so much, you know, like Mystique or Sabretooth or Juggernaut. They're not really, they don't have the most lofty goals for what they want to do with their lives. Yeah, but he's the Juggernaut, bitch. Indeed. What more do you need?

Now, before I say anything else, do you recognize this person from the image? That's bad. Is it Hammer and Hodge? No. No, this is Garrison Creed. Oh. Oh, okay. I thought Garrison Creed was such a prominent part of the 90s cartoon.

He was always turning up in that. I kind of felt like I needed to include him here to also give some variety. So we have the human son of Victor Creed of Sabretooth. Well, I sure hope he's best friends with Trevor Fitzroy. They're fine to be neighbors. Yeah, I was. gonna say like i you know he's uh usually associated with the friends of humanity like striker and yeah i just i mean he's garrison greed what else can you do oh i know what we can do

stick him in detail here the d tier maybe all right he tried god bless him but nobody cares i remember you said you felt sorry for turban fitz where he's got a buddy now that's nice potential other buddy coming his way we have fabian cortez up next you can Careful with that slander, my friend. You like, so Fabian Cortez is like, he also felt like a very big figure in the, in the 90s. He was kind of the worm tongue of the X-Men books for a while and that the kind of manipulator on his own, not much of a threat, but it was more about what he could do like with playing the politics of things. Yes. More recent years, he has been portrayed as kind of a joke.

He was in Way of X during the Kerkowa era, and they did a kind of. kind of like a face turn with him where he was still very anti-human but like they did humanize him a little bit with his sort of odd partnership with night crawler and of course it ended in a you know kind of a bummer way for him where he i think he he suffered from like a traumatic brain injury and he was like the person who knew the truth of what had actually happened and the x-men were like well put fabian on the resurrection protocol but put him at the bottom of the list felt a little cruel, you know, but we're looking at his role here as a villain. I mean, he was the man who kidnapped Luna and almost caused a huge kerfuffle in the blood tie storyline.

Cuffle is a good way to put it. Tiny bit of a gruffel. Yeah. I like Feev and Cortez a lot, but realistically, I don't think he's D-tier, but realistically, if you look at the other guys in C-tier, I think that's fair. I think he would be at home in C-tier. I think C-Tere is perfectly fine. Okay. I was going to say D, but I'm happy to go see. I would say, honestly, I would say D as well, but I feel like he had more big moments,

specifically in the comics in the 90s, than Fitzroy and Creed did. Yeah, that's fair. He's still a Ryan, or at least was recently still a rhyme, whereas, you know, Garrison Kate isn't. Yeah. Well, Garrison Creed, Garrison Cade's a different character. Oh, yeah.

he's also dead. Yeah. Oops. Oops. Cut up it up at all. All right. Up next. Dylan,

one of your personal favorites, Exodus. Yes. Really? Well, I mean, but I'm saying it. You know what I mean? I'm saying.

I'm good job and what he thinks about Magneto. Like, I don't know. I will say that, like, logically, like being totally, you know,

fair and objective about this I think A tier is like the place he should be he's incredibly powerful and he's been a lot of storylines but he's never been like the big big bad

of like you know X-Men stories too often I'd be personally I would obviously love him to be an S-tier because I think he is an S-tier villain in my own ranking

but I think he is think if we're going to put my own biases aside, which you shouldn't do, then A tier, I think is fair. I imagine some of you might even come down to B tier because you're evil people. That would be second guessing you guys and, you know, prove me wrong, but I'm going to say a tier, I think, is fair for Exodus. John, what is your, what are your feelings on Exodus? I mean, you know, I'm not like. huge Exodus fan but I think A is probably fair for him

considering how powerful he is and like Dylan was saying he's like he's involved in a lot of storylines he's not ever really the main villain or anything like that but he's up there

so I mean A seems like a good fit yeah I think A's fair I think if you look at him compared to like a shadow king or strife in terms of like power level you're like that's that's a fair comparison isn't it

yeah yeah or he's like D I mean I was gonna say that I don't necessarily think he has the the social caveat that the A tier folks have I wouldn't say that he'd be unwelcome and B

tier you said that I would be evil for suggesting such a thing I'm just saying that like yes, I don't think he's as iconic as Sabretooth or Mystique or Juggernaut. I feel like he might, like, is it be at home with a Sebastian Shaw and Nimrod? I mean, those characters are powerful, but also don't really stand up on their own a lot. A lot of Exodus's motivations has just been his devotion to Magneto. Which John can understand completely.

Yeah. That's a worthy cause. You know what you mean? Or he's kind of convincing me now. I'm sticking with A tier. I think the B tier, like I said, I don't think that that would be an insult to the character. Because I feel like even though he was on the Quiet Council, it didn't feel like they did too much with him on the Quiet Council. You know, like even then he kind of felt like he was there.

Yeah, it wasn't until Hope joined the Quiet Council that he kind of, you know, did anything, really and started hagging along with her. I asked her. I think he was like the Messiah. It did feel like a missed opportunity with the whole way of X storyline being like, Nightcrawler, we need you to form a mutant religion. I'm like, why not have Exodus help him with that? Yeah. It was like a, it was like Nightcrawler, Fabian Cortez, and Legion.

Like, yeah, no wonder that book didn't do well. Oh, and Stacey X. And Stacey X. She was part of that book as well. Which, by the way, Dylan, part of that storyline was, uh, she was basically running like the mutant brothel on Krikawa. And, like, Fabian Cortez was getting kicked out and

basically implied that when he sleep with people, he had them put on the Magneto helmet. Just a lot of jokes. A lot of jokes at his expense. John, do you write that one? No comment. C.

Okay. You want C tier? I think you guys are going to be really uncool. I'm putting on B tier. and I might have to quit the show. I mean, it's the risk we'll have to take. All right, well, that's, yeah, we'll put it. We'll put X as it B. Sometimes, sometimes you got to take the hit.

Like I said, I love Trevor Fitzroy, but I'm like, you know what, D is not out of the question for him. I think you guys suck. I don't are incorrect. All right. Up next, we have another member of the Hellfire Club. We have Donald Pierce, the mutant-hating cyborg. I mean, that guy, he's CTR all over. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, he was the main enemy in the Logan movie.

He has been, I think he's the main, one of the main villains of this current Cyclops mini-series. He's been around for a long time as well. But at the end of the day, he's a cyborg that's fun to fight because you can blow him, you rip parts of him off. Yeah, you can rip parts of him off and he'll just come back in another storyline, totally fine. Yep. So who cares? I would say C I wouldn't be

at all surprised if he went to D but I would say C I'd say yeah like maybe C is fair considering he was in the

which one movie which movie was it Old Man Logan wasn't it yeah so and like you say he's been around for a while

that sort of longevity i guess kind of earns him some brownie points so yeah i'd say c is probably the right place to go he's like on the c man yeah it could be c could be d and also

none of our lives are going to change if it was any of them yeah none of us care enough about don't pierce to say oh he should be is it's easier like we're fine Yeah, Cesar's fine. All right. Up next, we have the paramour of Desti... Well, the Paramour of Mystique, Destiny, the Precog.

Thoughts on Destiny and her place in all of this. I think that's tough because I don't think she is as iconic as Mystique at all. At all, really. I think she's an interesting character. And, you know, when she's with Mystique, it's nice and it kind of plays out well. But when she's not with Mystique, I mean, I would even say there is no point in how her without mystique yeah i would agree with that actually a character on her own she's either with mystique or she's not a factor you know what i mean so like if that's the case whereas mystic goes

and kicks ass by herself but destiny is always tied to mystique in some way yeah i feel like with destiny like she she's only she's only good when she's around mystique so they can you know play with they're dynamic and you know basically i they've been getting a lot of play in recent years especially as kind of the hateful in-laws of gambit and then of course you know she's kind of been taking care of the very withered and fragile mystique after the uh the uh the sequences of the mystic miniseries that has left her basically decaying okay and yeah she obviously had her importance uh up in Crocoa as well with more

making a big deal of not wanting her resurrected and all that kind of jazz so I will say this D for Destiny I don't see anything wrong with that I don't think the character really I don't think she has any merits on her own

I mean I could see that I would have said straight away I would have said C tier like straight up I was going to say B I do not I wouldn't put her anywhere near B. No, no, no, no, no, not at all. Like, not at all.

The divide in this married couple's, you know, importance is massive. Mystique is absolutely the breadwinner. But I think exactly in the tier list, you have to show that divide. Like, it's a tier for Mystique. You have to go at least more than one thing dying for destiny.

So I would have said, again, I'm not going to, Get angry if you said D at all. Not beat. No, no. I'll compromise and go see. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, I'll take that. All right. Up next, you have a very powerful mutants, the sister of Charles Xavier, Cassandra Nova. Where you put Cassandra Nova? Massive body count under her. Correct. It's very tempting to put her in S tier

because of the impact she has had. The problem I think that I have with that is I don't know how well they followed up with Cassandra Nova as a villain. Like, when they start you all with such promise and they don't follow up with it, that's quite disappointing. You know? I just don't know what they have been doing with her recently. But she was in a Wolverine Deadpool film, so that could give her points. It sounds like to me, I would like her in S-tier, but I'm not opposed to A-tier. I think A tier sounds fair because of the body count and just like how impactful she was in her first story.

Yeah. I think like you say, she hasn't really done a whole lot outside of that to kind of justify bumping her up to S tier for me. Yeah. I think that's fair. I would say, yeah, I think that's fair. I think so as well So we'll put Cassandra at 8 tier All right up next

We have a mutant hating Never Dying Computer Virus man Cameron Hodge It's Cameron Hodge Yeah his weird robot body That's weird mechanical fluid body Yeah It's not meant to be gross but looks gross

Like it's not like he's like dripping with gore But it is like nasty to look at It's really gross Yeah, it's really disturbing. Very strange. Again, I think this is a guy that, like, had promise at the beginning, but, like, what has he done recently?

Not much anything recently, if I'm not mistaken. Again, this is a character I really like as well. I think he's a fun villain, but I don't think they use him enough or capitalized on what he can do. He's supposed, he made, like, a deal with a demon, so he's supposed to be, like, immortal.

Mm-hmm. So his head exists and was a thing. attached to that robot body because he can't technically die. They don't really do anything with him. But, like, I feel like C is probably a good place for him. Yeah. His arch nemesis is Warren Worthington, the third, by the way. I mean, that's also kind of...

Yeah, it's kind of damning that, like, of the X-Men, one of the least interesting ones are the, you know, the one that you have decided to have your grudge against. Yeah, not a good sign. Well, I'm trying to see when the last time he was used Yesterday. There was a duplicate of Hammer and Hodge that thought he was the real Cameron Hodge that was chasing the Terrigan Cloud with a tanker truck vacuuming up samples of the mist,

presumably as part of the plan to weaponize the Impox. So, I mean, even then that was a little bit ago. Jesus, yeah. But how could there be clout of Cameron Hodge that thinks he's the real Kammer Hodge? why wouldn't that just be Cameron Hodge? Right? Who would write that? I mean,

maybe the real Cameron Hodge was on holiday. Yeah, the time of the last camera, the real Cameron Hodge was referenced, he was revived when Bastion infected him with a trans mode virus gained from one of Magus' offspring.

And at Doug Ramsey's behest, Warlock killed Hodge and his army of Smilies by absorbing their life force. Right. Oh, man. Sure. He can't die. It's been a while.

I think this has pushed him down into D-Tier for me. I don't. I still think you see Tere. Bray? I like Hodge as a character with potential, but I also see Trevor Fitzroy as a character with potential. And if we're going to like, you know, again,

his main nemesis is Warren Worthington the third, who even then, like, Angel's big nemesis is fucking apocalypse. So like, Hodge isn't even the most important person in his rivalry. Okay. It just makes you feel real, like, second best at that point. So I would say D. Okay.

Okay. Up next, we don't have a singular villain. We have a concept of a villain for all intents of purposes. We have the brood, the brood, the, uh, basically the motif of the xenomorphs, the intergalactic killing machine, aliens that impregnate, infects. and consume. So, thoughts on the brood. I don't have any thoughts on the brood.

None whatsoever? No, really. I mean, we have established that in canon on the show. Yeah. This is true. And to be honest,

I don't like space stuff as well. I always you know, disliked when the X-Men went into space. Yeah. And the brood themselves like what have they really done right like what's their big gimmick well they've only got the one gimmick where they like infect people and then turn them into more brood don't they right so who

cares like what can you do with that yeah you know or what do you think i mean as a concept when they play with it they are scary the last time the brood were during the Crocoa era, they had almost killed Corsair. And Cyclops at that point was like, fuck it, exterminate them all, let's just get rid of him. And Gene Gray got, her nose been out of shape about Scott advocating for the genocide of the brood.

And she's like, how could you say that when people do that to us all the time? And I think he's like, because it's the brood. Like the mutants are just people. Like the brood, like literally, if it's not brew, the sentient, you know, little kid mutant. and brood who has the ability to like think rationally and not be a mindless murder monster um if that's their default setting is mindless murder monster maybe they don't need to exist right so yeah i mean again they're they're good for a good little horror story every now and then

but you know use sparingly are we saying d i kind of want to put them a little higher than d maybe I would put it maybe at C because that first storyline was a very iconic one with Kitty Pride, you know, being basically alone in the X mansion with them. I'm more interesting than Cameron Hodge. Yes. I think they, I think there's, it's a one-note story, but it's a, it's a good one-note story when you bust it out sparingly. Okay. I don't know with that. So I would be, I'd be fine with C.

They're a little more iconic, in my opinion, than Cameron Hodge, who, you know, mainly got his powers from being a lackey with Apocalypse during the X Factor run. And again, Trevor Fitzroy never really got his got off the ground with the upstarts. And I think Garrison Creed is Garrison Creed. Whatever you guys want. Okay. Well, up next, we have the old running mate of the juggernaut, Black Tom Cassidy, brother of Banshee, uncle, of Siren. he has the ability to basically communicate with vegetation and shoot energy beams out of wood.

In the 90s he had a really cool period where he was kind of a half wooden monster man. That was kind of cool. But Dylan, this is your fellow countryman. Any thoughts on Black Tom Cassidy? I like him a lot, but again, there's a guy that doesn't really get a whole lot of cool storylines.

I wish he had more. Again, I think he's got a lot of potential. I think he'd do a lot with that guy. I don't think people do. I like when he turns up. It's always a fun time. I think he's got a situation similar to Mystique and Destiny where he's only interesting around Jognaut.

And they haven't really been together. Long time, yeah. So that kind of thumps him down a little bit for me. I would do the same and say he's in the same tier. So if Juggernaut and Mystique in A tier, Destiny and Black Tomor and C tier, I think that's fine. Yeah, that makes sense. So what tier is that? D.

D.C. C. We're doing it. We're doing it. I just want to make sure I heard you correctly. All right. Up next, we have another representative of the sentinels and the sentient sense. We have Bastion.

Thoughts on Bastion. I mean he was big for a while what was the one he did in the 90s uh it's a crossover with the Avengers wasn't it what do you call it Operation something yeah yeah he is

Einstein is whenever Nimrod went through the siege perilous right is that correct is that right is that correct can somebody double check yeah one second it was Operation Zero Tolerant Jesus Christ

My word Yep dedicated to eradicating mutants Genocidal Mastermind With super strength, flight, and ability to adapt to mutant powers Leading an army of prime sentinels To achieve his goal

He's the primary antagonist of X-Men 97 Which is the most recent use Okay Also turned up During the What the Messiah Complex storyline.

Yes. So there you go. I mean, he's a super sentinel. Same as Nimrod, but not from the future, but from the present. Did we find out if that thing I said was true or not? That was a crossover with the Avengers?

No. Bastion was born with a giant robotic sentinel master mold who fused with Nimrod fought the X-Men. There's no other way to stop the virtually indestructible amalgam, except to force it through the siege perilous, a pan-dimensional portal that subjects those, uh, that subjects those who pass through to the judgment of the universe's higher powers. So I was kind of correct. You were, you were pretty much there. Yeah. Okay.

Siege perilous, zero tolerance, human hybrid. Zero dollars. Kind of a baby of the, kind of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, of Mastermold and Nimrod? I mean, I don't know why the baby of Mastermold and Nimrod has a sick goatee like Uncle Sam, but, you know. That's interesting. I feel like, I don't know, man, Bastion's been involved a lot of stuff. I don't know how interesting he is as a character.

Like, I've seen him in stuff. You could put him on the same level as Nimrod. In fact, like, in terms of like, you know, effectiveness. operas is zero tolerance that got the Avengers evolved. That seems like a big deal. It was used recently. He was in the X-Men cartoon. You could put him in B-tier.

I think I'd be more comfortable with him in C-tier, to be honest. Straight off the bat, I would have said C-tier, but I could see the argument for B-tier. You know what I mean? I think he's certainly more important than some of the other people in C-tier. I would say he's more important than, you know, because if you look at

that C-tier, there are people with low ambition or sidekicks, you know? So, like, William Striker was a dude who hated mutants. Toad and Blob and Destiny and Cortez and Black Tom Cassidy and Donald Pierce were, you know, the lackeys and partners of other people. Lady Deathstrike is a character who we talked about had kind of potential but never really amounted to anything with it. And the brood are an alien race.

I mean, he's kind of on par with Nimrod and Exodus. and that they were the leader of a movement that did accomplish things. Yeah, I can see that. I could see B tier. If we separate S and A by power and ambition and the icon status, I feel like a similar thing can be done with B and C. Like, what is the character's ambition in comparison to, like, their powers? Yeah.

That's fair enough, I guess. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like I say, I'm not a fan of the character. at all and yeah B tier is the B tier is the list of glowing eyes though by the looks of it

yeah but that's not a bad thing no it's just something it'll just have something common yeah all right and our final name on here that we're going to look at is apocalypse which I kind of feel is apparent what we're going to say we should just ask it

yep I mean he's apocalypse everybody loves it hard to say he's the, you know, many would say the first mutant. His power set is so delightfully vague. Been around forever. Dedicated to survival of the fittest. Crocoa was sort of his jam. He loved that shit.

He's got celestial technology as well. Yep. Celestial technology. He's part of it. Like there's a demon that's inside of him now, thanks to the X of Swords event. Okay. Right. Yeah, she got somebody needed for sure. Yeah, yeah. We needed that to go along with it as well. So, okay. We're going to take a look at our list one more time. Yep. Going from bottom to top. On the D tier list, we have Trevor Fitzroy, Garrison, Cameron Hodge. Very wordy names.

I think it's in his name Grayson Creed. Oh, that was Garrison. No. Why was I saying Garrison this whole fucking time? Well, I mean, that's way more indicative why he's D-tier if I can't even remember as fucking is. Nobody cares. He should be in half-tier. Friends of humanity.

Friends of humanity. All right. In the C-tier, we have the Reverend William Stryker, Toad, Blob, Lady Death Strike, Fabian, Cortez, Donald Pierce, Destiny, Brood, and Black Tom Cassidy. Comments on that. Honestly, I kind of want to put Donald Pierce on a thing. Do you mean? I can see an argument for that.

Yeah, I would say that as well. I mean, we were saying something, like, if we do that, then I also feel like that the Reverend William Stryker needs to get downgraded, too. I would not be opposed to that either. Okay. So let's go ahead and move. striker and Pierce down to D tier. And what that says is if you're the main villain associated with like Wolverine,

maybe reevaluate where you are in life. Except if you're saber-taste, in which case, you're right at home. All right. So D-tier is now, Trevor Fitzroy, Grace and Creed, Cameron Hodge, William Stryker, and Donald Pierce. C-tier is Toad, the blob. Lady Dust Strike, Fabian Cortez, Destiny, The Brood, and Black Tom Cassidy. I think that's pretty fair. Okay.

Yep. B tier, we have Sebastian Shaw, Nimrod, Exodus, and Bastion. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that's fair. A tier, we have Strife, the Shadow King, Sabretooth, Mystique, the Juggernaut, and Cassandra Nova. Again, I think that's still pretty fair. I personally would put Asandra Nova and S, but I think that

he's fair in A. It's oddly enough, because she's been around for almost 20 years now. I almost feel like Cassandra Nova could use another big push as a villain and to make her place as an S-tier a little more cemented. But I agree, I think A-tier is good.

She's a good cusp person, though. Yep. And then, of course, S-tier, we have Mr. Sinister, Magneto, and Apocalypse. air no argument welcome back everybody that was our tier list

of X-Men villains I'll be honest with you I can't really complain about how that went I think it pretty much went as it should have for the most part yeah I'm pretty happy with how it turned out I mean the three in the S-tier

were pretty much no-brainers I can't think of any other X-Men villains that would classify as an S-tier at that point really X-S-s is Sugar Man I didn't include sugar No I didn't

What are we gonna do? I was gonna say was there any villains that were missing Sugar Man being one Dark Beast being one Regular beast apparently Now he's like white beast Yeah that's a thing He's a leader of 3K

The Sentinel dogs We could have maybe done The Matlin Pryor as well Madeline Pryor's Goblin Queen could have been on there could have uh could have put uh the horse no horse isn't a villain cori no horse is a good person something up with that horse why are you so suspicious of horse because the horse has nothing to do with her powers you think the horse is like infiltrating the ex man i think that horse is infiltrating it's

gail simone writing it's not out of her wheelhouse to have like secret villainous horse this whole time. That's her dream mark. It's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what she's known for, secret villain. Somehow this clip, somehow a clip of this is going to make it to her.

She's like, God damn it they called it. I have to re-write the whole ending. She's going to like, like, phone us up and like, guys, take that off into that. Take that off now. That's exactly what's going to happen

is this is going to come out and then we'll get a C&D. from Marvel going take that down you spoiled the horse twist can you stand this when you clip it can you stand it to Gilse-a-o and be like hey kid what do you think what do you think what are we on this

we need about this twist yeah if you use it you have to credit us yeah we want royalties yeah well we'll just take a credit we'll take a co-writing credit yeah or if she would have like

if we could work in baby juggernaut there you go There you go. But then, but we have to give up the rights to baby juggernaut. No, we've got to work that

into the agreement. That's part of it. We got our lawyers involved. Yeah, we need to keep that for us. It's a very lucrative business to baby juggernaut. Absolutely. And all this has a lot to do with

Ex-Mintier list because the juggernaut was on the XMintier list and that's his daddy. We didn't put Mojo on. We didn't put mojo on either. So what you're saying is that we could potentially revisit this idea sometime down the line.

yeah but without any of the good villains yeah it'll be like the mutant liberation front members like oh man sumo everyone knows sumo we'll do it again but we'll only do like c and d tiers oh yeah who's the best of the worst there you go and then and then and the f tier just in case we'd have to put the f tier like who's the worst of the worst mm-hmm all right what do you call him great and creed I would call him Garrison Creed for some reason. We'll put him down again. We'll take them off our list and put him down. The shit list.

Yeah. So, speaking of the worst of the worst, John, have you watched any bad movies lately? No, I've just watched banger after banger recently. Oh, cool. What was the last thing that you watched? The last one I watched was

single white female. Oh, a classic. Yeah. Dylan, have you ever heard of single white female? I've heard of it. I haven't seen that. I would recommend it. It's on Netflix, but it's leaving pretty soon in the next like 10 days or something like that.

It's already too late to watch it. You're going to find somewhere else to watch it if you're taking John's recommendation today. But I mean, if Dylan wanted to watch it, then he could do that. I can watch whatever I want. I have access to the internet. So, John, what did you rate? What did you rate single-way female?

I gave it four stars out of five. I, that's, yeah, I would agree with that rating. So what does that put your, what does that put your movie count for the year so far? That leaves me on 384 so far. 384. Yeah, you're definitely going to hit 400 by the end of April, for sure, by the looks of it. Uh, yeah, I'd say by this weekend. Well, this episode will have gone up before or after the end of April.

So this will be after, yes, this will be May the 8th, I want to say, when this episode comes out. Yeah. So how many eighth for those celebrating? That won't make any sense to anybody, but there it is. There you go. So, John, where can they go to find your review of single white female in other movies, whether they are single white females or attached black men? Um.

They can head to Letterbox and find my reviews at Big John Bowsky, Onward. All right, Dillow, what have you got up to you during the week? I do a radio show. It happens every Monday night on Bynce Digital Radio.com. UK, 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock at UK time. You can listen to it on your web browser, on the internet, wherever you are, as long as you have access to the internet. You play a lot of cool rock music and stuff like that.

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I made sure that we're there. So we have a presence, so to speak. And if you're listening to the audio format, like I said, go subscribe to the YouTube so you can see all the visual stuff. We have the PowerPoint shows. We have Dylan's great thumbnails that you can see at the beginning of every episode. We also have our smiling, beautiful faces, including Johns, but it's hidden. Yes. Give the pay.

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