The Smark Avengers - Spider-Man and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day? (We Liked It)

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

More of a blessing than a curse, the Smark Avengers may have lost the intended episode they originally set out to record but realized they all had opinions on the latest Spider-Man centric addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe! While this may have been the sixth or seventh movie that Tom Holland has portrayed Peter Parker, many have commented that this is the first time he feels like the proper Earth-616/comic book version of the character. No job, no girlfriend, no mentors, and no adoring public… this truly is a Brand New Day for Spider-Man in the MCU.Take two Spider-Man super fans and one DC comics fan who hasn’t watched a MCU movie since 2013 and you’ll get three Smark Avengers discussing the impact that this movie has had on Spider-Man, the MCU, the genre of super hero movies as a whole, and other topics that come up in this free form discussion of the film. 🕸️ Sit back and relax as the Smark Avengers break down and discuss such topics as: - The minimal use of traditional Spider-Man villains such as the Scorpion and Tombstone in favor of using Jean Grey as the main antagonist - The theme of acceptance, grieving, and processing pain - Jean Grey’s characterization and whether or not there are other mutant characters who could have filled the same role - The characterization of Frank Castle in Brand New Day versus the television series - The changes in the Hulk and how he seemingly no longer has control over his other form - Spider-Man still missing his wisecracking personality All of this and more! 💬 Join the discussion: did Brand New Day hit the mark for you? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy comic book related discussions and humor 🔔 Subscribe for more comic deep dives, reviews, rankings, and debates Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f Also be sure to check out New Number Ones posted every week on the Smark Avengers YouTube channel!

just me starting like me crying yeah you get to do that noise as well like every time like I don't like it hi everybody welcome as I said earlier welcome the show

my name is Corey and with me is Dylan and John how's it going guys I very good very manly absolutely do you remember when the Vodd villains called up to the main roster and like they would they made like merch that said quite manly on it i quite i remember that very vividly i was like what a weird catchphrase to try to get over

yeah quite manly not like 100 just like quite just like fairly you know all right you know shout out to those two guys and whatever they're doing anyway one of them is a comment yeah one's commentated through t and a and i think the other one's still wrestling in noah the other one is making a lot of shit ton of money off his Simon Godge, Burry, Zenzra, a Mory video. I hope he gets a percentage of that, considering it's like the recommended video for everything. It's the most popular video of all time. Holy fog, dude.

So, speaking of videos to get tons of views, we attempted to record an episode a couple of days ago, and somebody had a telephone pole outside of where I live, and it knocked out the power into the episode early. and so which was probably for the best whenever we think about how that episode was going yeah we were

we were yeah there were paths that we took that we did not need to take that went on far longer than they needed to go but you know God was looking out for us that time anyway which is rare very rare actually

so one of the things though that we did kind of as a takeaway to that we realized that despite not really having an intention of doing a whole episode about Spider-Man Brave New Day, we all had thoughts on it. And so we figured, well, we'll do makeup recording where we'll try to piece this back together. And this time we'll just kind of focus on that as the topic because I sometimes forget that I'm on a podcast with two big Spider-Man fans.

And I'm sure you guys had a lot of thoughts for where this movie went. You forget that because we so frequently talk about the X-Men. Yes. Mm-hmm. Keep forgetting we're not an X-Men podcast. Well, today we're a Spider-Mal podcast. You say that, but I think mutants are going to come up in this one as well. So you can't keep them out.

Can't keep a good name down. We just not actually say, we just won't say the phrase X-Men. So, I mean, you'll all know what we're talking about. You just won't say it. What I mean? Xavier's men. Men who are our X. Yeah.

And also, we'll be talking about a woman. Yeah. None of this will work. Off we go. And away we go. So I had stated in an episode a couple of weeks ago that for me, this was going to be the litmus test on whether or not the American audience gave shit about superhero movies. And I said that because Spider-Man is Marvel's quintessential character. He's their mascot character.

You know, for years it didn't necessarily feel that way because Sony had the rights and Disney was pushing all of the MCU Avengers movies and stuff. But, you know, as a kid, I remember back in the day where the Marvel logo would always have Spider-Man lurking above it. You know, there was a Spider-Man balloon at the Macy's Day parade because of his presence in New York City as Marvel's quintessential character. Marvel is Spider-Man. So if that movie did not perform well, then that was a sign to. me that people just didn't give a shit about superhero movies anymore. And it seems that... Right.

It seems that people gave a shit about this movie. Well, if you remember, we talked about this, and you said, Spider-Man's a Lip-Best test, because if it does well, people still give a shit about superhero films. But I said, I don't think it is, because I think Spider-Man is so popular now, like you said, that whether it's a good or bad film, people will go see it. They're going to see it anyway. it could be a pile of shit.

People will still go to see Spider-Man. So that was my opinion before I'd seen it. Okay. Record. On the record. That might come up. It was a piece of shit. But you know what you mean?

Like, I just think that, like, people wouldn't go to see Spider-Man anyway. So I don't think that's a fair test because it was never going to lose money, you know? I guess my rationale behind that is if people just didn't go see it, that would be, like, how you could tell. It's like, okay, well, they didn't care. They didn't want to see it. So, yeah, that was my reasoning behind that. But, you know, regardless, it's made a bunch of money. A lot of people online have been enjoying it and it's been giving people a lot of things and opinions to talk about when it comes to themes as acceptance and grief and letting go and et cetera. It's been an important movie for the mental health community, it seems, out there, based off of what Instagram's algorithm

showed me. A lot of people are fighting their own Spider-Man battles, is what I picked up after seeing some, some videos pop up. I mean, I am as well, but I'm actually, like, physically fighting the rhino, and it is fucking painful. Beating your ass. He threw me through a wall one time.

I didn't need that. Broke every bone in your body. It really hurt. Yeah. You think you see it in the film, you're like, it's not going to, oh, it's just, yeah, no, it hurts. It's like it's not a gimmick wall. Like a W-O-Me wall.

It was a fucking, oh my God. You have a doubt fit in there. Do you remember in the three amigos movie where Steve Martin is trying to rally the people to help them fight El Guapo? And he talks about how everybody has their own El Guapo they're dealing with. And for some people, like, a lack of education, a lack of formal education is there, El Guapo. Our El Guapo is the El Guapo.

Yeah, that's sort of your, your, your, your, your, Spider-Man battle that you're dealing with is in fact a Spider-Man battle. Yeah, an actual, yeah. Also, people didn't even know the rhino was a real, he's real. Big Russian men permanently trapped in their rhino suits. It's more a recurring problem than you think. For a lot of big Russian men trying to chase me down for some reason that I don't know why, I don't know why.

These Russian people want me dead, but it hurts. I don't like it. if you guys are listening to this, please stop throwing me through walls. So that being said, where would you guys like to go with this one? Do you want to talk about what led to this movie being made like canonically in the sense of like how Peter Parker ended up in the situation that he's in? Do you want to talk about casting? Do you want to talk about decisions that you like, things you didn't like? You, you know, kind of take it from here.

Well, first of all, Brian who wasn't in it. And I feel like he's just taking his frustrations out on me because he wasn't in the film. He still never think that's... I haven't he got portrayed by Paul Giomani in that one movie. That was great. The guy from Sideways, that's who they have is me?

Who wouldn't want that guy representing them on film? Do you mean? You did a good Russian accent. For like a second. And they're like, well, the rhinos definitely coming back. No worries about that. And then, you know.

Although that's a good place to start. Not with the rhino. Yeah. But with the brief appearance of a villain. Because one of my gripes with Spider-Man, I want to make this clear right off the top of the show, is I didn't hate this film. You're going to hear me talk about it as if it did hate this film.

I didn't. hate this film. I want to make that clear. I thought it was fun. Fun show. But there was stuff in this film that I saw that I find was easier to kind of poke holes in it than a lot of of the other Spider-Man films. They were very good. They're all very good. Like, films. And this one was fine, but had like a lot of stuff that I'm like,

okay, I don't... I really care for that. You know? And so, going into this film, I thought the scorpion was going to have some kind of deal that he was going to be like a bigger character than he was because you introduced the scorpion

to the world in the the first one, the one with the vulture and a, you know, vulture goes to prison. He sees the guy with the scorpion tattoo. He's like, oh, McDonald-Gargon and he's like, that's me. You know, I'm stingy. And like, people are like, well, I wonder what that means.

you know so like and then in the trailers they were kind of showing the scorpion and you're like oh okay i get it scorpion scorpion has a story that you could easily tell right you can you can tweak it for the the screen and you can like you don't even have to tell that as a solo story you can make that you can mix that in with somebody else yeah another villain and had to tell two stories at the same time and make scorpion seem like a big deal and instead of that they had the scorpion turn up. Somebody breaks a scorpion out of prison with the intention of using the scorpion later on.

And you're like, okay, this must mean that if they went to all of the trouble of breaking the scorpion out of prison, he must do something important in the film. And then he doesn't. And you're like, oh, okay, that's kind of a letdown. because it doesn't really make sense to do that

like film wise but also storyline wise because you're like this is at least the second time that the scorpion has been put in prison like why would somebody think out of all the people that are currently in prison that Spider-Man put away

why would they look at the scorpion and go that's the guy I'm going to use to accomplish my big plan clearly the shittiest one of the bunch, you know? I thought that was an odd point. This movie also had Ramrod,

tarantula, boomerang, like, to imply that he was the shittiest one. Tomorhead. Tombsone. Yeah, Tombstone was there. Honestly, I was surprised he'd put in Hammerhead. I love Hummerhead. They could have just reuse the prosthetics

that Flattop had in the Warren Beatty Dick Tracy movie. I fucking love Hammerhead. I want to write a story about Amherhead. The man with an ad-man team sculpt. Yeah. We'll do that in a different episode. But that, again, to my point, is that they had all these guys very briefly at the beginning of the film to show that Spider-Man is very busy being Spider-Man.

And so it means that you just see these people for like 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Imagine going to have all that tombstone makeup put on you. I think Phil where you got me I caught I'm up we go I understand that they were trying to show

this Spider-Man was like busy and doing his job and saving the world and stuff but they just blasted through a lot of like pretty decent

Spider-Man villains pretty quickly and you're like well these would have been fun to see more of and more fleshed out and they didn't really do that

you know and I think my big gripe with the film was that out of all the Spider-Man villains you have for 70, 80 years, more than that, he has the 3,000 villains. You can have anybody to be in this film.

And the villain in the Spider-Man film was one of the heroes of the X-Men comics. Well, I was going to say, it was a guy, though, technically, right? That was who the real villain was? The guy from damage control. Tactically. Tactically, yes. Bill Metzger, apparently.

Yes, but... That famous correct character. But the way they're telling this story is that Jean Grey is a threat. Obviously, the beat and switch at the end is this fucking guy you've never met before is the real evil guy. I felt like that was also kind of on the nose.

You're like, I can tell that this guy's going to be a guy. Yeah. But it was just an odd choice to make Jean Grey the villain. I think that the way they did that was kind of silly and the way they kind of like got around it by like she was just doing what she thought was right.

Also not very well done. Like she stole a tank and then drove a tank through New York City and put a bomb in the tank and then drove that tank into this fucking, you know, defense building with the intention of blowing it up and killing lots of people. Right.

So I've heard the directors or the writers or whatever saying Gray didn't kill anybody, so she's good. I'm like, it's heavily implied that she tried to kill people.

And I think if you look up legally in the law dictionary, attempted murder is also pretty bad. Yeah. It's almost murder. Like that happens a lot in this film. It's that Jean Gregg was out of her way

to try and like, kill people. And I'm like, that's a hard person for you to then switch it and root for. You don't you mean? Yeah. I find it to be a bit of a plot point. We talked a little bit about this previously, but I, I'm of the opinion as someone who didn't watch it, just hearing about it, that this is kind of was done to Lynn

credence to why the general public would not trust mutants. But like, do they even know that Gene Gray was the reason behind all of this? you know right i don't think so no i don't think the i don't think so no no i'm pretty sure they don't but the public doesn't really understand they know there's some sort of terrorism threat against the security whatever um but they don't know that it's a mutant doing it yeah so at that point that doesn't really like hold up as uh it's something you can say in retrospect because you believe that to be true. But it's not something that they

thematically put into the film. You can take off a box and go, well, this is why they did that, you know? I heard somebody say that they were going to use the chameleon in this film. Because a big theme of the film is kind of metamorphosis and change and acceptance and that.

And they were thinking about using the chameleon, but they were told they can't use the chameleon. Because they used to be craving. I didn't know why. is it Creve of the Hunter Because the community Is it a Creve of Hunter?

I'm like, okay, cool. I'm going to say at least two out of three people in the show potentially three out of three people in the show of not seeing Creve of the Hunter. John is definitely secret. I've watched it. I'm about to say, John is definitely watched it.

I don't remember much about it. You did watch it? Yes. The comedian was in that. Yeah, he was the main village. Kind of. Well, I guess maybe.

I mean, he doesn't start the movie as the chameleon. It kind of happens near the end. And I don't remember how it happens or like what resulted from him becoming the chameleon or anything. So, yeah. Good stuff. So I think like, like, he went from kind of being kind of, he went from kind of being villain to like, well, he was in the, he was definitely in the movie. yeah he was there what a lasting impact

Craven the hunter turned out to be but like that's the thing like rhino that's why they could use rhino dylan because he was in that too mm-hmm yeah he had a really he actually had a really kind of gross scene

where he was like a guy who transformed into a rhino-like creature also had the foreigner in as well so that's why he didn't show up in the spider and brand new guy And the other three people are all Russian. So like, well, we've got to keep the theme going. That's how you get it.

So, all right. Well, this is telling me that we need to have like a Craven the Hunter watch along. So we know for a fact that they couldn't use Chameleon because of Craven the Hunter, which is a weird thing to say that a Craven the Hunter movie derailed

a potential choice for a Spider-Man movie. But here we are. So that being said, you know, they went with the villain option. They went with, they're like, here's a unique way that we can introduce Gene Gray and tie into the theme of loss and acceptance, which I feel like is like, comparatively, you have to assume that Gene had it worse than Peter did, right? Like, Peter's like friends and girlfriend, they don't know who he is, and he still remembers everything, but her, like, sister died.

Well, he lost his own ears. well. Oh, it's true. Yeah. I keep forgetting about Alyssa Milano as Aunt May because that's still just a weird thing to process. Do you know why you forget about Alyssa Manano being Amma? Because that's not who is Amai. It's still just a very weird choice. I remember like when Ultimate Spider-Man was making the rounds initially and she was like

just like a young fit, you know, like woman with like white hair and you're like, all right, you know, that's fine. She's just like a younger Aunt May who took better care of herself. But yeah, it is weird how the Aunt Mays have progressively gotten younger and younger. And yet, this is the one who canonically died. Don't you think it's fun? They're like, look, we got to make Aunt May fuckable. Yeah, well, I mean, if that's the objective.

Good job on that. You have to say, if that's the objective, Alyssa Milano is not a bad choice. That's Marista to me. It's Prista Tomey. Oh, I kept saying it was Alyssa Milano. know why. I know. That's also why I couldn't remember Aunt May, who had a different fucking actress planner.

I even know who the other person is. You know who Alyssa Milano is? You don't know who Melissa... I forgot their name that too. Marissa Tomei. Brissa Tomei is. So we're level pegings here. Somebody's getting pegged.

She was Arnie's kid in Commando. Okay. That's the level set you need. Okay. And now she's dead. In real life. Is she? Well, no, Aunt Me's dead.

Yeah, but that actress is not me. I feel like we might have strayed away from the topic here. The point is... Do you think? Well, the first time that's ever happened. on the show. Honestly, of the ways that we could have straight from the topic, this is the most clean cut way we could have done it too.

We've done worse. Not the way I would have seen a comment. But, yeah, again, like, you don't even get that. You don't even get the idea that Gene Gray has lost more than Peter and then reacted in a much more chaotic way. It could have been a way you could have, like, have them on, like, more of a level playing field and so then you can really show the difference between two people how they react to the same thing or similar thing but in two divergent ways i don't think they really

do a proper good job of that in the film you think just you know what i mean because i think it's kind of we get two different sides of grief here you get like peter just throwing himself into being Spider-Man and like just cutting off the outside world basically he's not got any friends he's not got any family so he's just you know fully focused on Spider-Man

so he doesn't have to deal with his issues whereas Gene's reaction to her sister going missing is like you know pure anger which is the driving point for her doing all the dangerous stuff that she

is doing and putting people in predicaments which could hurt or kill them. Isn't that her like cutting herself off in the world and focusing herself entirely on one thing? Isn't that? No, but it's more like anger based

whereas like Peters is more kind of just like ignoring his pain and trying to like you know compress it and tuck it away somewhere so he doesn't have to deal with it. Whereas

jeans like full on. Fuck yeah, let's go do this. Okay. She really goes for it. Yeah, maybe too much. I get your point that like some of the stuff she does in the movie

is not really befitting a character who's supposedly going to become like a hero down the road. Right. There's definitely some if you're pardoned upon shades of gray there.

Yo, yes, I went there. We got it, we got it. I remember when we were talking about this previously, we did talk about how it's a weird choice for it to be Gene, because previous to, like, the phoenix inhabiting her body, jean never really showed any sort of, like, element like that to her character. Like, there's never really, like, Jean Grey was never, like, dark.

She never removed people's autonomy or anything like that. No, but I think there's always been a bit of, like, unstableness about her powers and what it's done to her psyche. Like, in the original, like, run of Stanley, you know, X-Men books, it wasn't touched on. But, like, in some of the stuff that came afterwards with, like, Chris Claremont writing and other writers, like, go. Going back into, you know, her early days and stuff like and how Xavier kind of got wind of her in the first place was like, you know, her powers were kind of, you know, threatening to get out of control. And so he kind of stepped in to play mentor and help her figure out a way to control them before she hurt anyone. And also secretly fancy her. Yeah.

Well, I mean, yeah, he is a bit of a perv. We've covered that. We've definitely covered that before. Yeah. You're right. I don't really think that... I think maybe, to John's point, the thing we've seen is that in media,

for the most part, Jean Grey has never been shown to have that kind of side. it's all in in the films in the animated show it's always that she is a kind of squeaky clean very thing caught straightforward woman and it's whenever she has the dark phoenix then she has this other dark side because it's literally the phoenix it's not her again if you are just familiar with the media and the tv show you would be surprised you see jean gray acting like this you know what you mean yeah um like cori said i i if i if i think it's a real choice to be like, look, man, we're going to make the X-Men Philip soon. Here's Gene Gray acting like a real fucking bastard. Like, okay, cool.

And again, interesting choice of X-Men to make the bastard. Yeah. You know? We talked to, you know, and again, this is something we talked about previously. And I just prefaced that by saying, if you get a sense of deja vu, and I bring it up, that's why.

But we We talked about how, like, one of the big things about the MCU Spider-Man is how unlike traditional Spider-Man he is at times with the, you know, got the internship with Tony Stark and that being like one of his main motivators of, you know, doing good and what have you, was just that sort of that relationship and that bond. We've seen him react to his loss. and, you know, like, this is a Spider-Man that even though he doesn't have a job and he's not in school necessarily, he still has, like, a bunch of fucking tech, like, available for him in his shitty apartment, as you pointed out previously. Well, that was, yes, that was one of the things I wanted to bring up this time was that they're trying to make him more like a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. He's getting away from the Tony Stark reliance on gadgets and tech. And it's like, oh, he's in like a proper suit.

He's not in like a metal suit, like an Iron Man nanobot thing. It's a poor, like, so... Really like the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. But when you watch the film, he has all sorts of, like, machines that just build stuff for him and, like, track... He's a huge tracking device. He's a machine that talks to him. He's a machine that fucking monitors his own body to the point where it can create a device, like, attaches to his own body to neutralize. part of his own

you know biology and you're like okay that seems A it seems very extreme for a guy who's supposed to be you're a very simple friendly neighbor at Spider-Man and B it's a very good catch-all where he's like well my machine can just make this for me you know I'm like okay

that's a bit I don't think the machine made it fully for him I think he was building it and the machine was helping him build it rather than like There's a lot of him saying, machine, fix this to be more, 50% more, whatever. You know, I'm like, all right. Do you what he mean?

There's a lot of that. There's a lot of him talking to a computer. I'm like, what a chilling vision of the present that is. You know? Whatever. Well, it also pays into his, like, loneliness because he doesn't have any friends or family anymore to talk to. That is true. And also, like, for the plot, it gives him somebody to talk to.

Mm-hmm. Because you can't really do that exposition that we were talking about off-camera thought bubbles or the whatever. You can't really do that in the film. Spider-Man still needs somebody to talk to, you know. So I get that. I didn't really care for that because I don't think that that's a real. It's not a really good way to show that he's moved away from the Tony Stark era. Whatever, he's clearly still using a lot of Tony Stark technology.

But this is the point I was going to make, is that in the comics, he's always had a history of building tech to kind of help him deal with problems. Like, obviously, the building of the web shooters in the first place, spider traces, he's got his, like, spider signal,

which he can use to scare the bejibus of crooks and stuff. Like, the different kinds of webbing he comes up with. Like, he's always been kind of, you know, mechanically gifted and able to put together these different little gadgets and stuff from seemingly like no budget whatsoever. So like I'm I don't find it too kind of egregious that he's still doing that in this movie and you know, the AI that he's got helping him do that isn't exactly at the advanced level that he had with you know the tony stark tech this is one he's built himself

and uh clearly isn't perfect as well so me it just seems a little bit it seems less like he's building his own tech and more like like i said it seems a little bit like he's getting the machine to build a lot of it for him if you know what he mean is there's a difference between watching em with a sultan iron and like i've been working through the night to make this new web shooters and him going, hey, computer, make these web shooters like 50% more efficient. And the computer goes, okay.

Don't you mean? Like, I do understand where you're coming from. And again, this isn't like a huge point. It's not worth dying on. You know what you mean? I still think there's some other stuff that I would like to talk about. So I can concede that point. One of the big issues for me in that film was, because I have not seen the Punisher TV show.

Mm-hmm. I don't know. I'm on the bottom. This is the first time I've seen the Punisher. I like the actor a lot. I think he does seem like the Punisher. Right.

If you're gonna, if you're gonna imagine what the Punisher, be like, it's that fucking cunt, right? But you might have to sense without the American viewers. You've said worse. If I fuck it out. Like today.

Um, so this is a first time for me seeing the Punisher. And there's obviously some sort of crossover. They're like referencing a time that Spider-Man has held the Punisher at some point. I can tell you that is something that did not happen on camera. Okay. Not on camera, no, yeah.

Referencing something like, oh, you owe me a favor and Punish is like, oh, fuck you, you fucking cunt, you know, you might have to. It's fine. we've not let it stop us before can I just say if if in this film this lovely Marvel superhero Spider-Man film just out of nowhere

it's just like I'm fucking you fucking cut I would have tell you something you fucking cut you know he asked to like but all the way through this film the Punisher looks like an idiot

I don't know if that's a critique on like big musty gun people in America or if it's just bad writing. But what happens at the beginning is the Punisher, there's a big tank that Gene Gray is controlling. The Punisher is chasing it. And Spider-Man says, don't chase it. You'll blow it up. So the Punisher says, fuck you in a manner of speaking. And Spider-Man like just stops the Punisher like really quickly. I'm like, okay, that's not a good start.

Second of all, you see the Punisher. Spider-Man says, don't follow me to this thing because you'll fuck it up. And then the Punisher's like, I think I'll go anyway. Follow Spider-Man to the building. And then gets possessed by Gene Gray and then fucks everything up. Like, okay, not a good start for the Punisher. The third time you see the Punisher, he shoots Spider-Man. You know, okay.

That's the most punisher thing you can do is shoot somebody. technically yes but the wrong person so you're like okay this is going to get harder to justify your character here the fourth time you see the Punisher he's consoling Spider-Man in the hospital and they come up with a genius idea

to fool everybody will they just let Peter Parker walk out of the hospital and then the Punisher there's a crowd of people who want to congratulate Spider-Man but he's in the hospital so the genius plan they come up with to redeem the Punisher is that Peter Parker just walks out of the hospital and then the Punisher puts the Spider-Man mask on and then dances in front of the window and everybody's like, oh, Spider-Man, there is.

And that is supposed to redeem the Punisher. So, Dylan, I'm going to tell you what you witnessed was just a very, like, we're going to introduce Frank to the broader MCU outside of the television series where he could be more like Frank in the television series. Because if you watched him in Dave. daredevil and stuff, you would be like, nah, that's Frank. Right. But when you watch him in Spider-Man, you go, that's fucking idiot. Yeah. I don't know where the idea of making Punisher, like, a big brother figure for Spider-Man

came from, but it's definitely one of the more inspired things I've ever seen. That can work. I don't think, like, you can have this reluctant kind of, I don't want to have to pile around with this fucking kid, but I can make it work. Frank? You can't tell my story. I mean, you got to say it from the. the other side of the coin as well. Why is Peter

like budding up with the guy who goes around murdering people, even if they are criminals? It's very true. Why? Matt Murdoch seems so fucking sane to everybody right now. He's like, Frank's a problematic friend of mine.

Peter's like, no, it's my brother. In this, in this, in this, if we're going by the TV show, then we've already established that Matt Murdoch, aka Daredevil, is also in the city. And then Spider-Man was like, I gotta go with a gone guy. The fucking liability instead of the lawyer. Because, like, he's also already interacted with Matt.

Didn't he interact with him in the previous Spider-Man movie? Like Matt Goddemeanor. Yeah, as Matt Murdoch, yeah. But you could tell, you could probably tell that story better with Daredevil. That's a father figure. And I replaced him for Tony Stark. That actually would work, like, way back. better. I mean, it would definitely be more of like, hey, man, this being a superhero thing actually

kind of sucks. Like, you're going to lose a lot of friends and family. Like, people are going to be disappointed with you. It actually would be a very, like, prepping this very privileged Peter Parker portrayal to the reality of what he's got in store for him, in this brand new life that he has ahead of him. Having Matt as that sort of figure would be like, hey, the road ahead, it sucks. But if it's what you want to do, get ready for it, you know? So, like, I just had to thought while we were talking about this, but like, oh, obviously, part of the, the thing about the Punisher

was that he gets possessed by Gene Gray. Somehow, I was totally sure how, like, where she is to be able to do this. But, like, wouldn't it have been a way better, like, cinematic kind of thing if she, like, takes over the body of Matt Mordock and is like, oh, fuck, this guy's blind. How do I be really funny?

She can't use it. She can't use the abilities. Like, I can't see it. It was like, what the fuck do we do? Like, how do I pilot sky around? So she jumps to somebody else. Isn't that like a way better idea? It gives it, like, Matt's a weirdly immune to tell up, to tell path problems.

Because they don't know what to do once they're in his body. Yeah. Because they're like, fuck. I want to see where I'm going. I don't know. Is he alive? You know? So the other.

We fix it. We think like broke this shit. Clip that bit. That's, that's part of it for fucking Instagram. That's, yeah. That would be really wild to have like just somebody jumping in Matt's body. Like, holy shit, Daredevil's blind. I can't do anything.

What the fuck? It reminds you. There was this episode of the Justice League animated series from the 2000s where Lex Luthor and the Flash switch bodies. And Lex Luthor like is in the watchtower and the Justice League immediately know that that's not flash. That's somebody else in his body. And he like gets away and he goes into like a bathroom. and he's like, well, at least I could figure out who the flash is. And he takes the mask off and he looks himself in the mirror.

He's like, I have no idea who this is. And I feel like that would be the exact same sort of vibe. It's just like, I'm going to jump in Daredevil. This motherfucker's blind. I can't do anything with this. What? Isn't it a fun bit? It would be a very MCU joke.

That's for sure. I think it would be a fun bit. Anyway, my point, the overarching point is the Punisher doesn't really add a lot to the plot. And then I think we talked about the Hulk. Like, it's nice to see him there. And the point of the Hulk being there is really to talk about him having this brace that that inhibits being the Hulk. Peter Parker can learn how to use that for himself. Because Peter Parker starts to develop the organic webbing that we saw the Tobin-Maguire Spider-Man doing.

And the idea behind that is there's some sort of secondary rotation within him that comes out during like stressful periods of your life that makes your body just change. And you're like, okay, what? So he makes a machine that inhibits the organic webbing so he can just use his web shooters. And that kind of comes into play at the end of it where he learns to like just listen to his body and use the organic webbing more. I'm a little confused about the Hulk development and him needing that in the first place. Because the last time we saw Hulk, he'd made complete peace with the other side of himself. And they had like, that Hulk side of him, like, would just allow him to take over the Hulk form. And he would still retain his consciousness and be the smart Hulk.

So, like, is it explained, like, what happened that caused him to now he needs this bracelet to keep that in check? Nope. Fair. And I was going to bring it up. Because, like, that's one of the things that kind of bothered me about it was, like, the Punisher, it doesn't seem to be, like, a lot of continuity between, like, where we've last seen them and how they are portrayed here in this movie. It feels like we've missed a few crucial steps along the way to, you know, just to explain away, like, oh, the Hulk is, like, a separate entity again, and it's, like, a bad thing that Banner can't control anyone. like when did this happen? It does feel a little bit like people are writing the film

because they think it's a good idea without kind of looking back at the other films and being like oh well which is strange because they said they couldn't use the chameleon in the film that nobody watched then we're also like well we can use the Hulk to do this whenever that has already been explained in a different film that loads of people watched

you know very interesting very interesting choice that they made. Yeah, the Hulk was a bit, I don't want to say shoehorned in, but there was a lot, that's the thing I think about that film overall. There seems to be a lot of ideas being shoehorned into this film.

And I think that by the time they get to the end of it, the way they got to it with all of the different characters in Pleas, it didn't seem like a satisfactory end. I feel like that there are a lot of superficial, superfluous characters that don't need to be there. You can trim the story a little bit.

You can get to that end simpler with different characters. That's kind of the way I feel about that film. I think it's good. I think they tell a good story. And when you look at it, what they're trying to tell you is good. It's that sometimes people change and you have to go with it and don't be afraid to, like, just be yourself. but also like you need to be able to learn how to deal with grief

in an appropriate manner because you can either get fucking mental or just get really bogged down and stuff that you shouldn't get too bogged down in and you need to be a little bit more like aware of yourself but like those themes are in that film they're not always necessarily

um presented correctly. You know what you mean? Yeah. I mean, I would agree with that to a certain degree. I will say, like, in terms of just Spider-Man being Spider-Man, this is probably one of the best movies they've ever done in, you know,

just showing him at, like, a street level kind of dealing with, you know, crooks on the ground. Yeah, it kind of dials it back down to where Spider-Man should be. Like, it's not a world-ending threat he's dealing with or anything like that. It's just, you know, yeah. And you get to see him swinging around New York like he should be as well,

and wearing his costume that actually looks like his costume and all these things. It feels like the closest that the MCU Spider-Man has got to the comic book Spider-Man. And I can appreciate it for that. I will say really quick that I understand why they didn't go with the more traditional Peter Parker right off the gates because we've already had five movies of that. So like we're going to set ourselves apart. We're going to do something a little different. I can appreciate that. But that is one of the things that kind of like turned me off of the character initially was like I don't really want to see, you know, Peter Parker being chummy with Robert Danny Jr.

and having stars in his eyes, because that doesn't seem like, like the Peter Parker I'm used to is kind of a dick. And I think we talked about this one in the episode that we lost too, is just that Spider-Man's kind of an asshole, you know? Right. Well, to that point, something I wanted to bring up as well was that in this film,

like, Spider-Man is not funny. The reason he's not funny is because he's got a lot of stuff to deal with. He's incredibly impressed. Right. But like, one of the good things about Spider-Man is you always see this. Peter Parker and Spider-Man are two different identities. Spider-Man, he has to be, when he puts the mask on, then he's Spider-Man. He's going out there and doing quippy shits.

Even if the quips aren't good, he's doing them. Yeah. He's quippy, he's fun. There wasn't a lot of, like, fun Spider-Man in terms of him being a fun character. Do you mean? Like him doing the clips and doing jokes. There's a little bit, but it's the one they did in the trailer where he's stretching. like, all right, that's all we get.

Even my brother pointed out. He's like, Spider-Man's not funny in this. And again, the themes you're dealing with are very important, and the fucking Punishers are. So it's very hard to be too jokey. Well, that's another thing about it. I mean, I still think one of the best Spider-Man quips of all time, it's the early 2010's. Punisher at the time has like this red-headed woman that sort of like, not necessarily a sidekick,

but kind of a partner or a trainee. And it's the first time Peter runs into her and Peter just makes the remark of, well, it's good to see you're getting out there in dating again, Frank. You know, just like, why would like,

it's like all these, one of those no-go things with Frank Castle don't bring up the dead wife. And like Peter just goes there in seconds, you know, like he can't stop himself. Yeah. Because it's fun.

Exactly. And I'm like, but also like that, that's part. of the Spider-Man character too is that obviously the gimmick is Peter Parker is a deflector. Yeah. Right. Like he makes light of things, you know,

he tries to make fun of stuff and that helps him as well. It gets a little bit of more attention out because he is kind of like adding a bit of levity to the situation whenever somebody is trying to crush his fucking skull it. You know what you mean? Like there's a fun part of that

and I think to John's point, terms of him being a low level, street level, Spider-Man kind of character, absolutely. They get it. It's not like world ending.

Even though the character, they're fighting against, seems like a real powerful entity. It does have more of a street-level kind of very localized, like this is happening in this area. This is what's happening. Mm-hmm.

But I think in terms of like being Spider-Man, like a quipy kind of fun-going, Spider-Bun, you don't get a lot of jokes. No. Maybe they're saving it for the next one. Maybe they're saving it from when he goes to space. Yeah. We got him back to his street level.

We're putting his ass right back into space. Can I just say immediately, if you watch the end credit scene, the end credit scene is busy like Spider-M goes to space. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bad time. God damn it. Can I just tell you this as well.

Whenever I was in the cinema watching it, there was a group of people and they were leaving during the credits and one of the women there was like I can't believe you guys are making me leave before we even see the end credit scene in a Marvel film this is gonna be my first time seeing the end credits in the Marvel film and I'm like

this was like the 43rd time one did a fucking end credits in a Marvel film your first time be born like two days ago fuck me it doesn't even see it and also it wasn't worse seeing

no no it's a waste of time fucking song they're very rarely are worth seeing because I mean every now they used to be important but then like you get like you know Harry Styles as Star Fox that's you know that goes nowhere

but like Spider-am going to space you're like well we already know like we can be pretty confident that he's gonna be in in secret wars? Yeah, I think it's pretty, I think it's pretty, as safe to say,

he's gonna be Secret Wars. Yeah, we're pretty calm with that's gonna happen. But again, kind of undoes everything you've just seen in that film. Yeah, he's right back in space, dealing with aliens.

Right back up there, fucking around. And I bet when he's in space, oh, there'll be quips everywhere. It'd be so funny. But he's on her if he's like, oh, my girlfriend, you know.

Also, she's not his girlfriend. So it's kind of weird. Yeah. You know what you mean? I love you, but you don't know me. You're like, oh, uh... It's safe to say those are very difficult waters to navigate

for a young 20-something man to be madly in love with someone who forgot you existed. Difficult waters to navigate. Hey, it happened to me. Yeah? Mm-hmm. Well, thank God. And I became spirited around and just like...

Thank God your vigilante friend. That's why he's... That's why he's fighting you. Oh, it makes sense. No. And they do kind of hint at the end about Ned regaining his memories of Peter. Yeah, he gets his memory back.

Yeah, so maybe MJ will get hers back as well. And then that'll kind of... I don't know if I... Half the film and she doesn't remember him. I don't know how to feel about that then. Hey, it's you, Peter. All right. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that then.

If they're just going to undo it within like two, three movies. I mean, I was sure they were going to undo it in this one. I figured they were going to have Gene take the memories from Peter's head and put them in, you know, MJ and Ned's head. Did it occur to him that she could do that? I mean, he's going to be like, he's going to be like just finished a busy day of fighting the fucking, terrible trio or whoever. And he's going to be, like, laying down in bed. And, like, it's just going to be,

and he's going to be seeing, like, I should have had that red-headed woman put memories in their head. Mm-hmm. It's going to haunt him for the rest of his life. She was busy. Yeah. She's busy grieving her sister. A lot going on.

Just heading to upstate New York. Yep. Oh, that's another thing. So all the way through the film, there's just, like, weird, like, there's a freeze that Gene Gray is trying to find the answers to. There's some mysterious file in the Justice Department, where the fuck it's called.

VMAX, it sounds very... Yeah. Trying to find more information about this VMAX thing. And then when you get the reveal of it, you're like, this sucked. Wasn't worth it. I thought that was dog shit. I don't know. I thought it was like a nice red herring

of making you think it was going to be something more important than it actually was. And then... Yeah, that's a literal Macauphin. Yeah, but it, like, the whole thing is

basically the V-E-Max turns out to be the make of the air-conditioning unit that Gene Gray's sister was looking up at as she was dying. So it's, it's, you know... That's tragic. That's literally tragic.

Is it tragic in a character way or tragic in a shitty writing way? I mean, I think it's... tragic in a very character way of like this is like Gene was holding out hope for some big thing and it's like nope, just the dying thoughts

of a girl. I think that's John's point, but to me I was like I didn't enjoy that bit. I mean, I could definitely see how that's not a satisfying thing, but I also feel like they were like, that's the point. It's not satisfying. I feel like they're really trying to drive at home like the fact that

hey man, life is not fucking fair and you just have to deal with it. That's what it comes down to. You just deal with it or you fucking stay stuck in the past and never get better. I think if that is the overarching theme of that film, they do a fairly decent job of but not over. Yeah. Because I mean, it makes sense why Frank's the one there. I mean, you could have done the same thing with Daredevil and Foggy, you know.

Right. But I feel like they already addressed that with their Daredevil show, right, John? If you're talking about it. Foggy's dead in the show. What's I'm saying that like I keep seeing the clip of Punishing. you're reminding Matt that like why are you being just soft on bull's eye with just trying to get him locked up when you should

be fucking killing him because he killed your friend. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. I feel like yes, if the theme is about that kind of stuff and being a loser and like figure stuff out, then having the punisher in there and having him the way he was. Yeah, this is what happens when you don't learn your lesson. Or if he just

treat every single scenario in the same way, which is just I shoot it. You know, you're not going to expect, you shouldn't expect better results than what you get. So, you know, if you want to really break the film down into a much more psychological level than they ever imagine, then yes, I can see those themes playing out in that kind of way, you know. But I feel like on a surface level, if you watch the film,

you wouldn't necessarily get all of those feelings, you know. Yeah. talking about it with all the people, you can be like, okay, I can see how that could work. But I think on a surface level, not everything they want to hit comes out the way they want it to be hit. That makes sense. So you're saying it's not exactly like AEW booking where they just like put out a reference and then the fan base determines that it's actually important and they give you some convoluted reason why it is. Like there's enough there that you can get to those conclusions on your own. You don't have to completely write up a whole fiction and make it happen.

I feel like we've come to that conclusion after all three of us have talked about it for an hour and a half. So maybe that is what that is, and that we've, we've invented this plot ourselves to justify the film, which would be a very AW thing to do. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it's just about Spider-Man kicking people in the face. Maybe. Well, by the way, the inclusion of the hand, how did you feel about the inclusion of the hand, John? That's a big daredevil thing.

Oh, I hated it. Really? Okay. Yeah, I mean, again, not much connective tissue between the hand here and the hand that was previously shown in Daredevil. And then, yeah, they're just like, they, they, they, they fodder for Spider-Man at the beginning of the movie. Then they're randomly working for the department of damage control. and then they get mind control by Gene and like, yeah, set against Spider-Man at the end. So, what a waste.

What a complete waste of the hand. And, yeah. What I've just thought about is that at the beginning of the film, Jean Greer, well, first of all, I agree. Like, what are we used to that fucking, like, they just appear, like, we work here now, we're good. And like, oh, okay.

and then they're bad like at the beginning of the film Gene Gray has to hop from person to person to take them over she goes from person to person very specifically goes from person to person and then whenever the hand are involved

he's controlling like seven people well yeah but that's after she's been tortured and she kind of that's when her powers break and she's like you know got way more powerful. That's how she

does the whole spell thing around I say spell, you know, like, you know, the magic whammy that makes everyone freeze in place and stuff. So... But the punish can still shoot through it? Well, he was outside the circle. Right, but he

can shoot a bullet through the breezy time. Yeah, I think it's just the people who are frozen, not everything else. You could walk through the freezy time. No. Why?

Because, like I say, people couldn't walk through it, but, like, other stuff are still moving. Yeah, because, like, when she threw it up to begin with, there's someone driving a bus or something. The guy freezes, but the bus crashes, so, like, the bus is still moving. The metal is not... She can't control the metal, but the people, she can freeze. She's not Magneto. that's but like if you put up a barrier that freezes people but not all the other stuff well you shut their brain off yeah they're mentally frozen yeah they just can't move because

you just turn off their motor functions okay so she's not she's not freezing time she's turning off their ability to react oh yes the bullet still works yeah bullet still works because he's just shot it so it's still going forward because it has no mind to control okay unless it's that bullet from the freak on the leash music video by corn. That thing had that. Do you imagine? Yeah. All he needed to do is, so we just needed to go, scream, go, and it would just fly off in the

opposite direction. What if the Punisher had those bullets? I got these from my new metal collection. I fucking love Freak on the leash, dude. Oh, chocolate starfish. Yeah. If you ever heard of a fucking Lincoln Park, they're awesome. Punisher would absolutely listen to that shit too.

You know you would. Yeah. The Punisher, he would be all about some like late 90s early 2000's new metal. Punisher would be like, you know what? Everything fucking does suck. I also want to break shit.

Sometimes you wake up and you really want to justify when you want to rip somebody's head off. I get it. The Punisher uniform changes now include a backwards red cap. Big dumbass fucking fake Afro Oh boy Anyway That was important

It was incredibly important I kept seeing a lot of memes About the whole like freezing time thing And some of them were Great for how it appropriate they were But another place, another time for those I was going to say that There was also a scene with

Yelina from the new Avengers slash Thunderbolts. Yes. Mm-hmm. Um, did they explain why Century wasn't around to basically just go, no, and then all of that stuff just stop? No, don't be silly. Century would not be good against a Gene Gray, though, because you think about it,

like, you would think that he would not do well. Well, he's got a lot of mental problems. Yeah, to start with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I assume Gene would kind of take. advantage of that.

Yeah, yeah. That would not go well. Do you think she would be able to take advantage of that mind at all if it's so confusing? Would she be able to jump into that? I mean, probably. Especially the more powerful version of herself. But, right. But if she was just, if she stopped, like, she could jump into like a regular fucking construction guy.

Sure, because the guy. But if she, like, the whole point of it is she's very young and she's still learning their powers and she's still like. Could she jump into the body of a man with the power of a thousand's exploding, or whatever. Not just that, but somebody that has a very clear dark side and also very clearly like two different sets of like a breed. He has a sentry side that switches off whenever the void side switches on. Those are two very different.

It's not like, you know, stuff is very, they're like an on and off switch. They're different. They're locked away. Yeah. Why would you, this is all hypothetical that means just being off. Like, there's no way. Yeah. I would assume they didn't write them into the script because they're like, well, I ain't touching that shit.

Yeah. Well, they made a point of Elena saying what Spider-Man was dealing with was small potatoes whereas the New Avengers deal with big potato stuff, so... Yes. There you go.

We can only assume the big potatoes were the sound train. Yeah. Yeah. Are you satisfied? Keeping Bob taking care of. Absolutely satisfied. Do you think he will be in Secret Wars? Oh, absolutely, if they don't kill them in Doomsday.

I think they might do. I think that movie's going to have a body count, say the least. Yeah, not Spider-Man, though. No. Well, not our Spider-Man currently, but... Maybe... I'm hearing some implications.

A different Spider-Man. Might be Toby. Well, fair enough. He had a good innings. You had a good inning? We'll give him a bad one now. happy ending for that for that world's peter parker now let's blow up his whole fucking world see you for dr octopus though yeah can we keep dr octopus and like will um to govlin also

also impacted by that soundman was really good yeah and then the rest that fell more we won't we won't talk about that this not really good will we ever get a follow up to the venom symbiate turning up in the MCU? Nope. Corey. We were having a great show. I mean, I'm just saying he was there. We saw it. Did he bring in the symbiodes like this?

Well, we just killed it. We fed it to some pigs last episode. It's the episode before last. No, we fed it to the pigs. Yes. We didn't feed it pigs. No, no. Well, you know, that's the thing.

We got to make sure that it's sedated properly first because he could eat some pigs. Listen, we've all eaten pigs. Not in the market. You can't eat pigs anymore because you'll get like diarrhea or whatever. Salmonella, brain rot, something like that. Fucking black plague. What it's something. So you got something. I think they recalled baby wipes because they found traces of sepsis in it, which is like that's the whole point of baby wipes is to disinfect.

That's wild. Forie, please move to the UK. I'm going to die first, apparently. You're going to die. I'm going to die. You're not going to die from like being shot or. like some sort of like you're just going to die from like eating potatoes yeah like that well you know who would have thought rolling back all the regulations would cause these things to

happen all the businesses are like no you can trust us we're not going to you know completely poison you and they're like uh oh completely poisoned you guys where not only did you roll away like all of the safety precautions that have been put in place to make sure it doesn't happen but also put the sickest in the world in charge of the health system you mean sickest Maybe that's what Yelena was talking about as well, fixing the big potato stuff. Big potatoes. Tasty, poisonous potatoes. You look at RFK Jr. talking, like, that guy had died seven years ago.

That's not a, that's not, that man is not alive. Like, what are you fucking about? I don't know. You see him working out in jeans with Kid Rock. I did. I fucking did. That was also embarrassing. Yeah.

Well, is there anything else you want to touch on with Brand New Day? Circle back around. I don't remember all the stuff I said in the last episode, so I don't remember what other criticisms I had for the show. I'll probably remember something later. I'll record, like, on a dandum, and then send it to you, and you can put it at the end of the show. We'll fade out to black and then fade back in.

Oh, by the way. You know, I think we covered a lot of the big points. that I wanted to talk about. You know? And like I said, I know it sounds like I was being very negative about that film, but I liked it.

Yeah. It did like it. It's just that like, I think it could have been better. And I think that up to this point, we've had three Spider-Man films that have been a fun ride that I have had very little criticisms of.

This one is one where you're like, you could have tweaked this and you would have got to the end in a more satisfactory manner. I think if anything, your criticism just shows your, you know, how much you do love the character. I mean, the fact of the matter is, we've never done like a deep dive episode on like one of the Batman movies. But like I could tell you for a fact that I could, we could do a deep dive on Batman forever. And I would tell you up and down, I really do enjoy that movie a lot.

But there's also a lot that you could comment on it in the negative manner. So I get it. Absolutely. saw in a theater last year a year before but it was a fucking good time man anytime you can go see like one of your old favorite movies in the theater by all means take the opportunity it's great

well that's the thing about that film is that it seems like in like hindsight it's become one of those kind of like the room films where you're like it's fun to watch it in the cinema of other people who are quite like minded and then we can all chant out

the ice puns yeah that's Batman and Robin that's a different one, but I know what you're saying. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought, I thought, I thought about Batman Forever. I like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, yeah, ridler and yeah. Okay.

Also, similar, Vian, yeah. Because I watched it not that long ago, like, it is shit, but also, I have a lot of nostalgia for it. Yeah. Like, it's still one of those, like, you can enjoy it on a, like, yeah, be just because not a good level. Ultimately, what I'm getting out is just because you love something doesn't mean that you are immune to criticism, you know, that, you know, that it's,

If anything, because we love it so much, we want it to be better. That's why we're going to sound even more critical of it than maybe we intend to. That's a really good point. I think about this a lot where, like, people love this stuff from their childhood because they're nostalgic for it. And I'm like, you're allowed to like shitty things. You just have to be. You have to also that they are shitty. Yeah.

No, I tell people all the time. One of my favorite movies is Krull. And they're like, is Krull a good movie? And I go, no, it's not. but it's a fun movie because they had a lot of ideas they were playing with. They just didn't follow through on any of them. I love Kroll so much. I have the glave tattooed on me.

Which is, which by the way, that's not a glave. A glave is a steel weapon with a blade on the end of it. This is just like a weird complex throwing star that you can't hold. Yeah, that has a switchblade like dagger on each end so you can't really even hold it. Because if you did, it cut your fucking fingers off. Cool. Like I said, it's one of my favorite movies of all time. And I tell people that, is it a good movie?

No, but it's a fun movie because it has potential. Right. But that's it. Like, you're allowed to, like, shitty things. Absolutely. I think people forget that. They think that, like, if you take the nostalgia out of it, you can say, I love this film because I used to love it,

but I also have this weird, funny attachment to it. The thing is that people disconnect that. I go, because I like it, it's a mean to criticism. you can say it's shit. You are allowed to say, this film I like also sucks, right? Like, I love Spieth Jam, but it's Spieth Jam, right? Come on. You know, fucking Michael Jordan.

Yeah. Come on. Right. Also, fucking ribs. It's great. Bill Murray. Isn't it? So, so, John, as our resident, you know, film guy, what are your, what are your final thoughts, your big takeaways, your points that you feel like we didn't touch on that you would like to?

on Spider-Man brand new day. I mean, I think we've covered most of the points that we covered in the last episode. So, you know, it's one of those movies where, again, like, I have my issues with it as well. But ultimately, I think it's still like an entertaining Spider-Man movie, one that feels like, it's sort of certain things in motion as well for like the future of the MCU

between like obviously introducing a major X-Men character and kind of putting Peter Parker back in a place where he's kind of you know getting

more sociable again or like he's getting out of his funk from the last few years. so like it's putting dominoes in place to knock over at the future point which that's fine with me it does make me question like are these dominoes actually going to fall over or have a chance to fall over because obviously we've got the doomsday coming up as the next movie in the MCU and then after that the next movie is going to be secret wall so it feels like things could be reset anyway and we could lose out on the potential follow-up as like an immediate thing.

That's a good point. The idea that all the shit we've seen up to this point might just be like a reist and changed. Yeah. Is a little disappointing. Yeah. Or they might do like a, the thing like, well, some of this is still the same. That's more confusing. Right.

Real quick, John. ask you what you gave this film on Latterbox I gave this one three and a half stars I think that's a fair I think that's fair yeah

like I said I was very I seemed like I was very critical but I did like it and I think three and a half stars of the five is probably fair I think I did originally give it four stars when I first came out and wrote my review and then on further reflection kind of knocked it down to three and a half.

So I think it's one of those movies where on a surface level, if you just watch it in the cinema, you can just go along for the ride. But then the closer you look at it, the more issues you may find with it, which might dampen your enjoyment a little bit, but ultimately it's still a pretty good movie.

I felt like that. more I thought about it once I came out of the cinema, the more holes I poked into it. At the time, it was a fine, fun experience. You know? Mm-hmm. Right. You haven't seen it. What would you give it?

Based on how many people have made various little joke memes and TikToks and or really depressing things where you tell the internet way too much information. about your personal life to the point where you're like, I guarantee you in like five, six years you're going to look back and go, man, I really wish I didn't tell people that I was going through that. I would say this was a good five out of five. I'm probably concerned about your algorithm.

Brother, I got to tell you, my algorithm is something. It is a lot of real depressed people. Oh, boy, that being said, John, we were talking about your letterbox. What was the last movie you watched? And how many movies have you watched for the year so far? Well, I have watched 8602 movies

for the year so far. It feels like it's been a while since we checked in with you. Did it jump up a lot very quickly? I think it has just been a while. Fair enough. I can't remember the last time we recorded. 862, though. Very nice.

Yeah. Recorded was me and Corey. Yeah, yeah. Up for Dick, so. Yeah. I think the, last time the three of us were together and

recorded, we didn't actually discuss the number of I was on then as well, so so that might, maybe why it's jumped up, but the last movie I watched was The Shining. Oh, which version? An absolute classic.

I want to like really quickly talk with this. What did you give it? I mean five stars. It's amazing. And this is Kubrick's version, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, not the other one.

Okay. Well, the other one was like a made for TV series. Yeah. Yeah. John, where can they find your review of The Shining as well as the other movies that you have watched? Did we lose John? Oh, my God. We got all the way through this.

Then we lose John. How did we lose John? Oh, pretend to be John real quick. Well, you can find John's reviews of the Shining. and other films like that on his letterbox, which the link is below, but that is letterbox.com slash big John Bowsky, all one word. Do you think John got really upset with me talking about the shining?

He was like, fuck, I'm done. I'll listen to you talk about Spider-Man, but I'm not listening to you talking about the fucking shiny. So, Dylan, what have you been getting up to during the week? I can't think of a joke answer, so I'm just going to tell you the real thing, which is that I do a video show Monday nights, UK time is 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock.

It's on points to digital radio.com. The link in the description. If you click on it, you can find out, if you live in like Antarctica, you can find out whatever the UK time is by Googling it. I do it. It's a weekly show. Every Monday night, 9 o'clock,

we play a lot of cool music. I stream sometimes on Twitch at Spookleroo. I'll be honest with you. I haven't streamed for a while. but I wanted to get back into it because I have a lot of good ideas for animations that I really want to make and those animations that I do make

go up on YouTube at Team Crows and I on a TikTok at Team Crow Studios so we put a new one up the other day it's easily the worst animation I've ever made so at the time you heard this episode it's old now but go to the YouTube shorts you'll know which one of it is

it's fucking terrible So they all right. As for me, I have the other show that's on the YouTube channel, new number ones, where I find a new number one from a third party publisher. Give it a read and then tell you what if it performs well as a number one issue. So I just did Lazarus Order by Matt Cave Studios here. I think functionally it did what it was supposed to do, but just I didn't care for the story at all. So it set out, it accomplished what it needed to do. It was a good number one, but it was not a good.

number one to my taste. Cool. Yeah. I'm a shiny. My hair is. Very shiny. I also have my other show, Largill Cup, which I've had a bit of a break from lately because I'm processing some things.

And when I get back, I'll end up talking about it, I'm sure. And I also have my third show, which my research partner finally got back to me. And they broke up the research they gave me because I said, hey, can you do this? I need you to do this and this for me. And they said, sure. and they gave it to me, and I'm like, this is great, but you gave it to me in a lump sum, and every episode is going to be a different issue,

which came out at a different month. Can you break it up by month? And they said, okay, let me have some time to do that. So they finally told me they got that done today. So we are one step closer getting that show off the ground. Cool. Yes, very excited. I love to hear that episode, Corey.

Yeah, hopefully by the time this comes out, you will be out. I'll go ahead and drop off the name. It's called Opel City Archives. It is a retrospective. look at the 90 Starman comic by James Robinson and Tony Harris. It's a project I've been wanting to do for a long time now, and I'm really curious how it's going to go. I heard the music's pretty good at it. Yeah, yeah. There's Captain Explodie who did a theme for us, which I was really happy with. So, until next time, though, we'll see you guys later. John will sign off

whenever he can. But until then, Dylan and I are going to say goodbye. Goodbye. Burb-bur. Hello?