The Smark Avengers - The Complicated X-Men History of Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are some of Marvel’s most iconic characters… but are they actually X-Men? In this relaxed deep dive, Corey, Dylan, and Jon continue their X-Men history series by attempting to focus strictly on the mutant side of Wanda and Pietro’s past. From their earliest appearances and their complicated ties to the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and beyond, the guys try to trace how these two characters fit into X-Men lore without devoting any time to their history with the Avengers... …emphasis on try. 🧠 In this episode: The mutant origins of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver Their early roles alongside Magneto and the Brotherhood How they transitioned into major Avengers characters Retcons, rewrites, and the ever-changing nature of their backstory Despite their best efforts to stay focused on X-Men content, the conversation inevitably drifts into the wider Marvel Universe — because with these two characters, it’s almost impossible not to. If you’re a fan of X-Men history, Marvel character deep dives, or just want to untangle one of the most confusing legacies in comics, this episode is for you. 💬 Join the discussion: Do you consider Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver X-Men characters, Avengers, or something in between?Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

Plus, we're supposed to be celebrated in the day that Jesus died, which is also weird. Yeah. Like, what's the chocolate got to do with it? I don't understand it. Where did the chocolate come from? Why do the bunnies lay eggs? I don't get it. I thought the point of Easter where you're celebrating him coming back, not him dying.

Well, he can't come back unless he dies. Okay. Yeah. So I choose to celebrate the dying part. Not to celebrate the death. It's a celebrate the. rebirth. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Smart Avengers. Name is Corey. With me's Dylan and John.

Let's start with a religious discussion this time. How's it going to go? How much to the Easter egg, are you going to keep in? I will find out when I edit. So happy. There you go. It's all I want it. It's a happy Easter for me. Even though when you hear this episode, it will no locker be Easter.

Easter will have been like two, three weeks ago by the time you heard this episode. Yeah. No, oops. Oops. Anyway, so welcome back to Smart Avengers. My name is Corey with me, Still and John, as we have already covered. And today on the show, we are going to continue on our series of deep dive of X-Men characters. Where very foolishly, about two, three years ago, we decided that we wanted to talk about Beast.

And then we're like, well, we're going to talk about Beast. We got to talk about the others. So we covered the original Five X-Men. And if you're going to cover the original Five X-Men, you've got to cover Xavier. And John is such a fan of Magneto that, you know, we have to cover Magneto. And yeah, it kind of just built from there. And then in our last episode, we talked about four of the kind of jobbers of the Marvel mutant world, mastermind, toad, blob, and Vanisher.

So today, though, it's going to be a little bit of a weird one because we're going to be discussing two characters that most people don't even associate with the X-Men anymore. and I think art technically considered mutants any longer. But we're going to talk about Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Thoughts before we kind of go into our rationale further.

I think we're all dreadfully excited. I mean, yeah. Who isn't excited by Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver? Exactly. Your cat was so excited that jumped out of the camera. Yeah, he does that. He does that. Yeah, he's like,

I can't, I can't, I need to be in the audience for this. I can't be on the camera. I gotta get, I gotta get into my little chair. He has a little, he has a little tower that sits beside the desk that, good. I just hold him. Anyway, yes, that's the cat update for the episode. He'll be up and about more, I'm sure he's in a mood.

Anyway, that being said, um, this one's going to be kind of strange and some caveats. As you may or may not know, quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, at least a Scarlet Witch these days. is a pretty big, heavy hitter in the Marvel world. Not only was she determined to be the greatest Marvel and DC character of all time by this very podcast, but she is the current Sorcer Supreme for Marvel Comics. She has had her own television show on Disney Plus. She's been in several Avengers, you know, movies in cartoons and whatnot. She's a big deal.

But the problem is, we're not an Avengers podcast. technically we're also not an X-Men podcast, but we talk about the X-Men an awful lot. So our challenge in this deep dive of Wanda and Pietro is to not talk about the Avengers whatsoever except for in passing. Yeah, it's going to be difficult. A brief little like aside.

At this point, she was doing this over here with that guy. At some point, you kill all of them. Yes. So, I'm not to mention. So yeah. As, you know, we'll do our deep dive here in just a few moments. John is going to be steering the ship a little bit as he tends to with these deep dive episodes. I've got some notes as well to chime in with some details that I think maybe or may not need to be mentioned.

Dylan's along for the ride. Maybe playing the Marvel Maximum Collection at the same time. We don't know. We talked about this off camera. so we could wait till Sunday fair well that being oh yeah that being said are you guys ready to start talking about

the two characters that were mutants and then weren't mutants and then maybe we're mutants and now definitely aren't mutants yes okay very much so well let's get going John would you like to start us off Okay, well, everyone knows who the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are

Scarlet Witch, obviously her powers originally were more to do with like the chaos and hex magic and then Quicksilver was just a super speedy guy. They both debuted in X-Men No. 4 as members of

the Brotherhood of evil mutants. having been recruited by Magneto after he saved them from some bigoted humans who were out for mutant blood. They were both, like, from the start, very reluctant members of the Brotherhood. But because Magneto had saved them, they kind of felt like they were in his debt. so like the first appearance they try to seize control of a island called Santo Marco but were foiled by the X-Men and you know after that happens the twins basically want to quit while their head and leave Magneto and co but he won't let them and instead he

uses wonders like a pawn to try and convince Namor, the Submariner, to help them destroy the X-Men. And Magneto even shows how callous he is by being willing to sacrifice Quicksilver to get the job done. Yeah, but because

Namor has a bit of a soft spot for basically any woman but you know Scarlet Witch was there so he had a soft spot for her he uh well she convinced him to help free Quicksilver and

yeah they they all kind of escaped and got away um then they tried to approach the Fantastic Four um to see if they could help

the twins get away from Magneto but they basically treated them like the criminals that they were at that point so again they like went back to the brotherhood and still felt trapped by their circumstances at this point this is all within

about not even a dozen episodes episodes issues of X-Men and I think that last one was in the Fantastic Four as well. So we get to X-Men 11, and this is where the stranger has been manipulated by Magneto, and this is where they finally have enough, Wander and Pietro, they're like, enough is enough, we've got to get out of here. and so they turn on magnet. X-Men actually offer them a place on the team as well,

but they turned it down. Mostly Pietro turned it down after Wanda had considered the possibility of joining them, but he's a bit of a hot-haired, a bit of a stubborn kind of guy. I think he felt like, you know, we've just been on this one team where someone's ordering us about we don't really want to jump straight into another where that's going to be a similar situation right so what happens soon after they go name they join the Avengers so real quick before we

move on to the next mutant chapter of quicksilver and scarlet witch um real quick quick this came about through the gentleman by the name of Joseph Derooski argued that Stan Lee and Jack Kirby who had left the X-Men by issue 20 that they had established Quicksilvers one of the few characters in the early run who directly engaged with a social tension

that a lot of people tied to the X-Men. The Quicksilver was one of the characters that was actively like questioning why are we doing this? Like why are we, why do we have to be nice to humans if they hate us and they fear us? Sort of taking the more moderate, lesser, like, more so like the villain, not the villainous side of Magneto,

but more of the, like, why are we, do we need to be involved in this at all? Because, like, he wants us to kill a bunch of people and he's bossing us around. And these people want to save all these people that are just been nothing but dickbags to us. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. why can't we just be regular people? Yeah.

Like why do we need to be involved in this? Mm-hmm. And Scarlet Witch, of course, at the time was written a lot, like a lot of the character, the female characters in Marvel, where she was kind of, you know, there. Massive. The woman. Yeah. Her character trait being the woman.

Considering Neymour had his eyes on her. That seems pretty. Namor had his eyes on her. Toad had his eyes on her. Mastermind had her eyes on her. Hawkeye has his eyes on her Mastermind and Toad

well known for being creeps Yeah As we discussed in our previous episode where we talked about the Brotherhood of New Mutants Real quick, can I ask? So they were stuck in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants

with Magnaic. Evil mastermind that he is. Very evil and abusive and manipulative that, you know, John seems to love. a bit of a twat some would say I don't know

I wouldn't somebody would certainly say that why what did Magneto do couldn't they just have been like I'm out of here like quick silver there was more

obligation which kept them than anything else like he was manipulating them a bit as well like playing on the fact that you know he'd

saved their lives basically and that they owed him. So as much as they wanted to leave, like, their honor kind of kept them from leaving properly. So, yeah. Cool. No problem. Yep.

Thank you. Okay. Off we go. So, as I mentioned, they would go on to join Cap's Cookey Quartet, along with another reformed villain in Hawkeye. but we're not going to talk about that because that's the Avengers and this

is not Avengers podcast X-Men talk Oh yeah so while they were in the Avengers so Professor X did once again offered them a chance to join the X-Men which is a bit rude I think

like trying to poach another team's talent but that's Professor X-4 he's a bit of a dick Yeah a gap we've talked about him being a dick in not just his own episodes but many other episodes as well. Some say he's a jerk. But yeah, they turned him down and carried on doing their thing. Meanwhile,

he'd left Magneto previously. He'd been imprisoned by the stranger after his attempts to manipulate him backfired. but then he manages to free himself somehow and once again looks to get the band back together and basically to do that he again tries manipulate in Wanda and Pietro accusing them of being like race traitors and then locking them up against their will

but this time the Avengers managed to rescue them so Magneto says okay well screw you I'm going to head to the UN and propose my own sovereign mutant nation which as we've discussed in their Magneto podcast is sort of a recurring theme for him but then this whole thing turns into a big conflict with the Avengers

and in the middle of all this Wanda is wounded by a stray shot like a bullet which was actually manipulated by Magneto to kind of hit her and

yeah in doing so it kind of causes the hot-headed quicksilver to snap and he assumes that like a human had shot Wanda deliberately not knowing Magneto had been the actual cause of it.

So that causes him to kind of realign with Magneto again and kind of get a, you know, get on board with Magneto's message of mutant suck and, sorry, human suck and mutants are all. And while this happened, the bullet has somehow managed

to make Wander Lose her powers. So she's like, you know, powerless and Quicksilver decides to search out Professor Xavier to try and see if he can help her recover. This was at the point. I say the point. There's been multiple points, but at a point where, no, this is where he was dead. apparently. Opposite of in space. In space. So, yeah, with

no Xavier to turn to, they both ended up going back to Magneto again. This is like X-Men 43 that this happens. So a bit of a gap between leaving

the Brotherhood in X-Men 11 and coming back again in 43. But yeah, so now they're back on the team. And after Magneto manages to capture the X-Men, one during Quicksilver are like begging him not to kill them. But then the Avengers show up and basically help free the X-Men. And all of them help defeat Magneto as well.

So Magneto is defeated and Quicksilver. Wanda escape with Toad. Wanda still Yeah. Wanda's still powerless at this point. And they get split up along the way somehow.

And she gets captured by some sentinels now. Why their sentinels would be going after her when she's In a power? Yeah. I don't know. I can't explain it. But basically the X-Men rescue her. And she does regain her powers eventually by being abducted once again, this time by, you know, Arcon?

The like Thunder guy from another dimension who has crossed over. like he was in the X-Men cartoon back in the day I think he had an episode with Storm but yeah anyway okay yeah me and Corey I know you both look really puzzled

he takes her to his home world which is like a world with like storms and stuff and I don't know how or why but apparently just go into that world kind of reactivated her powers. But she eventually, like, you know, gets back to Earth and then

rejoins the Avengers once again. Okay, fun fact, I don't remember Rcon. I don't blame you. It was not one of the best episodes of that show. So, yeah, they're back with the Avengers.

And to be honest, there's not a whole lot of interaction with the mutant world over the next few years. Yeah. Yeah. But there's some significant events that happen like wonder and vision

like falling in love. Yeah. That's a great story, but you'll have to go somewhere else to hear. Because we're not talking about the Avengers. We can't do it next week, obviously, because we're talking about the chager. Yeah, yeah. Maybe the week after that, we'll see.

Yeah. has once again been kidnapped by Sentinels. I can. Sorry. And Quicksilver leaves the Avengers to go and rescue her. I don't know why the other Avengers weren't in on this plan. They'll have to go and read that issue to find out. Well, we did talk a little bit about in the King Dynasty,

how the Avengers don't always have the best priorities. like when they sent like the like triathlon and whoever else into space despite having like they knowing space people like you're telling me you couldn't get quasar on the phone yes yeah yeah nova's there on earth with the new warriors he could have done it for you yeah where was nova i think technically a teenage boy at the time so maybe they didn't want to put nova in the line of fire like that oh that's never stopped him before Hello, catcom's getting pretty rogue today. American Dreams is mood. I've seen him in a mood before. So, yeah, so Quicksilver goes off to try and rescue her, but he is beaten to the punch by Vision,

and, you know, that kind of helps further along the romance between Vision and Scarlet Witch, but also kind of, causes a bit of a rift with Quicksilver as well because he's a bit jealous because he's like, oh, that's my sister. I should be rescuing her. Yeah, Quicksilver and Hawkeye in particular were not fans of Vision in Wanda getting together.

I remember that. Yeah, different reasons. Or at least you hope. I mean, I can understand that, man. I don't want to sound like that guy in the 24th century or whatever, but humans and robots fucking, I don't know. Okay, well, that. I don't know if that's going to get the future man, but

your AI girlfriend is on the way. Leave her, leave her out of this. We can't all go out with her. Anyway, Quicksilver has been injured by the Senticles during his botched rescue attempt.

And he basically gets found by crystal of the inhumans, taken back to, what's the hometown called? Oh, God. I actually know that, but the second you asked me, it left. Adelaan? Adelaan. Yes, that's the one. So they went back there.

Noted in the story and Dylan. Yeah. You know it's more about the human to me. You got a question about the inhumans. You come to me. Well, we may have many more as we play a bigger role. I wish I had not said that then. Yeah, so Crystal helps Quicksilver recover from his injuries.

The two fall in love very quickly get married. And then not long after they have a kid as well called Luna. but while all this is going on have kind of fallen hard for each other and Pietro is not happy with this situation at all in fact he's pretty disgusted and he decides to cut ties with his sister so while he's off in Atalan

this new Waiper Wanda is getting captured by Magneto and then brainwashed into attacking world leaders to try and gain access to some lovely nuclear weapons where he can unleash

hell on Earth but you know that pesky robot dude vision saves the day and foils Magneto's plans what a dick so John question for you as the

as the Magneto fan of the room. How does it feel for a magneto to get beat by a robot who's notoriously known for being made of metal? Is he made a metal? Like some sort of synthetic

like... He's a synthetic something, but you know there's some metal in there. Somewhere. Yeah, it's bound to be some metal. But then he goes intangible. So maybe, you know, that's hard for Magneto to use his powers on something that's,

you know, not quite there. But then he has to become tangible at some point to do anything to Magneto. Dylan, write this down. We do our second episode on how to kill Magneto. This is going to come in big. Something, something intangible. Intangible syphilis.

Magic garbage truck dumpster. That doesn't make anything to Corey. Sorry. Yeah, Vision says the day then shortly after they kind of meet a hero from back in like the 1940s called The Wizard who basically mentions that his children were born at Wondergore

and his wife died there in childbirth so that makes Wonder think oh hang on he might be our father because we're children who were born in Wondercore. Yeah, it sort of makes sense, I guess. Sure, whatever. Yeah, nothing ever really comes with that because not long after that, Wanda and Pietro sort of reconcile,

and, you know, she gets to meet her niece, but then Magneto shows up as well. And he basically claims that he's their real father, and he's, you know, Luna's granddaughter, and he wants to meet her, saying that he's just found out that after having met Bova, the, like, chowlady. Anthropoophic, yeah, cow lady. She's basically told him that the twins might be his long-lost children after his wife, Magna. left him years before

and yeah, died in Wondergore. The twins basically remembering all the multiple times that Magneto has kind of fucked him, been a day.

Yeah, manipulated them and ruined their lives. Yeah. They're like, you know what? You can fuck off. and yeah so they reject him but that kind of plays its part

in Magneto's Redemption arc as well because it makes him again sort of reconsider or like reframe some of his actions over the ears and you know helps soften those edges but yeah we talked about that

you can go back to them and listen to that episode yeah um But where are we? So now Quicksilver is kind of getting back into the world of heroics again. But that means he's neglecting Crystal, who goes on to have an affair with just a regular human called Norm Webster, which I thought was, you know, pretty cool.

Yeah. Just like the blandest name. Not great. Apparently he had sold a house to Vision and Scarlet Witch, which is how he met Crystal. Okay. Yeah. And so when Quicksilver finds this out, he basically snaps again. He gets manipulated by, you know,

the evil inhuman called Maximus into attacking the Avengers and you know basically turning heel for time and while Quicksilvers off

you know being a nuisance Wander at the same time has seen her magic ability is like increased after she becomes pregnant with twins, eventually given birth to Tommy and Billy. Then she gets corrupted by some sort of magic entity called That Which Endures, which causes her own mental state to start fraying at the edges.

So, yeah. she is not in a good place either it causes her children to start vanishing in and out of existence when she can't like concentrate enough to kind of keep him there it happens to be all the time yeah it's a bummer

I mean if you want some peace and quiet it's not a bad thing I guess yeah let's get rid of them for a bit you know yeah that's what I'm But it turns out, I mean, yeah. I mean, my kids have a lot in common with Wanda's kids because they were also conceived using pieces of the soul of a demon called Master Pandemonium, who was created by Mephesto.

It's good you have that in common. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. That's everybody has that. So, yeah, because of this connection, And Mephesto basically claims the children's souls as his own. And to kind of stop him from getting them, I think Agatha Harkness erases Wanda's memory of the kids even existing.

So, yeah, she can't, like, you know, break them anymore. And then she, I guess the idea is to sort of spare her the pain of the long. of the loss of them as well by making her not remember them which I'm sure won't come into play in any future story lines that we come across I imagine it would

nope no yeah so Wanda is still pretty mentally fragile at this point even with the you know a raised memories and not So she ends up rejoining Magneto along with Pietro.

Although Pietro is only joining up with the two of them so he can try and rescue Wanda, having shaken off the ill effects of Maximus's manipulations that we mentioned five minutes ago. So real quick is to kind of give some more background kind of stuff. Some more Quicksilver facts, I guess, from like behind the scenes kind of stuff. There was a memo that got passed around in the 70s in the Marvel office's ranking Avengers characters by importance. Because they were having a hard time working with, they were having a very hard time with, they were having a very hard time with using Quicksilver in the Cookey Quartet because they found out that Quicksilver and Hawkeye were basically

doing the same thing, which was being the arrogant, angry guy. So in this memo that was going around, I believe, let me see if I'll pull up the names. Yes. Let's see the rest. Real quick. A 1972, Internal Marvel Comics, memo later made public by comics historian Sean Howe ranked the company's characters by importance.

Quicksilver was the only superhero on the entire list to receive the lowest ranking, quote, not as important. The other characters who got it were two Western characters, the Ringo Kid and Western Ghost Writer, and a background figure, Uwatu the Watcher. The assessment had visible consequences for his role in the books, with Hawkeye already occupying the role of the team's hot-headed dissenter, and Quicksilver's similar temperament left him with little narrative purpose and he was periodically written out of the title altogether. So that's what led to Quicksilver leaving the Avengers essentially.

They just, he was redundant because with Hawkeye, you could have him do the love tease with Scarlet Witch and you can't do that with Quicksilver because it is weird. I mean, you can't do it, but it would be weird. Only in the ultimate comics, you can do it. Only an ultimate Marvel, Ultimate Avengers. Well, they were like, we can't have it with brother and sister because that's weird. So we'll just do it with like a girl and a robot. Yep.

It's not weird. Totally cool. Totally cool. Makes sense. Legally at the time, no issues. So yeah, I mean, you know, what do you do with Quicksilver? You put them in the Inhumans. Here, no one's going to notice this.

What time frame are we at, like, in terms of like real? We're in the 80s now, are we not? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Sort of, you know, getting towards the 90s at this point, I believe. So where are we? I would say we are at the point where Immortus, who we know is another, you know, different variant of Kang the Conqueror.

Oh boy. Love him. He has basically been manipulating events to try and increase the Scarlet it which is powers which explains how her magic is kind of grown and she's become more and more powerful or you know with the idea of then using her powers for his own means and goals and whatever uh you know that doesn't actually happen because the avenger stop him as they have a want to do they do like to stop kang somehow uh yeah i mean you do think he'd be used to it by now, but

doesn't stop him from keep him trying. And that gets the heads off and all this shit, would maybe, like, be a little bit more prepared. Yeah, you think so. He's kind of the worst time traveler, if you think about it. Well, he's good at traveling the time. He knows all this

stuff that's going to happen. You can't do fucking dick about it, though. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so Wanda's getting more powerful by the day. Quicksilver. His, you know, he's not really changed at all.

But he does join the US government's team of X-Factor, uh, quits the Avengers and goes to join a team called Forcework. Classic. Yeah. So I don't would like to fill in anything with Quicksilver's time and X Factor, Corey, because yeah. I didn't really find out much about it. Peter David was really excited to have Quicksilver on his lineup.

He felt that of all of the characters in comics that were arrogant, that really Quicksilver and Namor were the only people who had any right to be. Namor, of course, the prince of a sovereign nation, ruler of Atlantis. I guess King technically at this point. He's not been Prince Namor in a while. The name just flowed so well. But yeah, Namor, the sovereign leader of a nation who's... comprises 70% of the earth.

And Quicksilver, who Peter David had this theory about that he explored with X Factor is that Quicksilver was more than just somebody who could move really fast. Everything about him was really fast, including how he thought and how he perceived time. So Quicksilver got the reputation of being, you know, pissy and arrogant because he is constantly dealing with a world that is moving too fucking slow for him because he moves very fast. He thinks very fast. So, like, his time with X Factor, of course, was typical for Quicksilver. He didn't get along with Havoc, who was the team leader.

He thought that Havoc was not an effective leader, which many people kind of would agree with for the most part. God bless Alex Summers. This isn't a quick aside. When we get to the Havoc episode, there's going to be a lot of, and then Alex had a mental breakdown. And then Alex had a winter mental breakdown. That seems to be his gimmick. He's got an inferiority. complex. That's for fucking sure. And having Quicksilver they're rubbing your fucking face in it, I'm sure did wonders for him.

But yes, so Quicksilver was on the team with his half sister Polaris. Also, Quicksilver was the only member of the team who didn't wear a uniform. Everybody else wore the blue and yellow government issued uniform and he kept his silver in blue and was like, yeah, I'm not doing that. He's a cool guy. Yeah, no. So, um, A lot of it he was there because Peter David really loves working with foils. So Quicksilver was there to be the foil of Havoc, who, of course, like I said, was the leader, but was also very doubtful and unsure of himself. Then you had Quicksilver who wasn't the leader and absolutely full of himself.

And then he was also there to be brash and impatient and easily angered in comparison to the happy, go lucky, and freegoing, multiple man and strong guy. of course and a big thing that got played into i kind of mentioned it already but there was a issue called uh examinations where quicksilver had to where all the team members had to go to therapy and i think they also had doc sampson and doc sampson basically you know questioned him on like oh why do you get why are you so irritable with everyone all the time and that's where he explains the whole like my everyday existence is like being stuck in line behind someone who doesn't know how to use an ATM or doesn't know how to order off a menu. So he's like, that's why I'm so goddamn angry because the world is moving so slow around me.

But yeah, his time and X factor was, I enjoyed it a good bit. Was his time in X factor, are we, John, are we now getting to the blood ties? bloodlines? I can't remember it's blood ties or bloodlines. I have no idea, to be honest. I don't think I've got that in my notes at all. What is blood ties? So Dylan, go ahead and tell us about blood ties. Blood ties was a comic which was a crossover between the Avengers and the X-Men, where this is at the point where Magneto had, this must have been

Astridum? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So when did that, that must have been, what, the early 90s then? Yeah. I thought it was like late 80s. It must have been the early 90s. So this is whenever Magneto had, I believe this is when he had his mind wipe by Xavier. So at this point, Phoebe and Cortez wanted to bring back Magneto or at least give the

illusion that he was bringing back Magneto and trying to unite a lot of people. Part of it was really, he was very afraid that somebody was going to beat the shit out of him. So he thought, what I'll do is I will kidnap Luna, the child of Quicksilver, the most volatile person in the world as we've established. Great idea. Great idea. The angriest fucking brick in the world. He will kidnap Luna with the help of some Genotian mutates and he will try to rule Genosha himself and uprise the mutates to protect him while he holds onto Luna and obviously this unites the X-Men and

the Avengers because at the time we established Quicksilver is a part of X-Factor it's not technically the X-Men but it's is a group of mutant people. And Wanda is in the Avengers and has ties to that too. Plus, this is like a global crisis. So the Avengers are kind of called in. Well, in the story, they're not called in. They're explicitly told not to intervene.

And they're like, well, we're going to do it anyway. So they do. And that is, I believe, Exodus is, I don't think he's introduced in this comic, but it makes a big, big deal. Blood ties, which is why I rank X is so highly. Because he makes quite the impact. But it basically is a big crossover between the Avengers and the X-Men in a way to get Luna back and to, you know, kill Fabian Cortez,

which they do pretty well. His plan didn't seem to have a whole lot of legs. I'll be honest with it. I was like, I'll steal this baby, and then everybody will hate me. And then... Money? Yeah. You know what you mean?

Like, he didn't have a whole lot of... It seemed like a kind of last ditch, like, I'm going to watch the world burn kind of thing. But it's a fun, it's only five issues long, but it's a fun comic if you can find it. Nice. I can put something into this. Yeah, no. It was a good storyline. It's good.

It was to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the X-Men and the Avengers because he came out the same year. There you go. Happy birthday. Whenever it was. So let's fast forward a little bit on from that then. But spinning out of those events with Magneto as well, getting his mind bright. and a whole bunch

of the world's heroes seemingly die trying to stop him Wanda is included in their number although they actually really end up on an alternate earth created by Franklin Richards Well what we should say with that Because of the nature of onslaught

Mutants physically couldn't do that Which is why the Avengers jumped in Because the mutants were unable to do it. Just genetically, they were only able to do that. Yeah. But Wanda, the Scarlet Witch, could jump in there. So does that not conclusively prove that Wanda is not a mutant? I mean, people should have probably picked up on that at the time and been like, hey, what are you doing here?

Yeah. Whoops. There you go. one did. Also, am I the only one to ever think of that in like 30 years? I guess so. Breaking news. Put this on Instagram and see if we can spread that around and see if I'm the only one

to track this fucking mystery. So, yeah, while Wanda was fighting onslaught with all the Avengers and stuff, Quicksilver was not. But he's pretty bummed out because, you know, he's just lost his sister. he tries to reunite with Crystal he adventures eventually return back to the 616 Earth

that causes Pietro and Crystal to split for good because she can't choose between him and Black Knight so in his typical a brash kind of way he's like well screw you then

and at the end of that relationship He just doesn't have time to wait for her to choose. I guess, yeah. She should have been a bit more snappy. Anyway, so now Pietro is at a bit of a loose end. So at the same time, Magneto is back, and he's basically been given Genosia

as his own sort of island nation. So Pietro goes to work for him as part of the Genotion cabinet, like trying to keep him in check and make sure that Magneto doesn't overextend his

you know, goals or whatever. At the same, well, sort of around the same time, wanders back in the Avengers. We don't really want to talk about that, but there is an incident

that occurs where the was in, you know, just making some small talk. Let's drop an unintentional remark about the tragic death of Wanda's children. Yeah. Which causes her to slowly start remembering. Oh, yes, I had children once upon a time. And causes her to snap. Yeah.

So, yeah, she basically goes a bit crazy. She kills Agatha Harkness. she resurrects a zombie version of the Jack of Hearts and then makes him blow up Avengers Mansion which seemingly kills Scott Lang then she seemingly kills Hawkeye as well all of this like sort of using her powers to manipulate all these events

to happen without anyone really knowing it's her until like she's found out by Dr. Strange who reveals it to everyone else and then he helps like put her into this catatonic state at which point Magneto and Professor X show up

because you know at this point in the comics Genosia had just been you know destroyed basically and everyone thought Magneto was dead, except for Professor X, who kind of went back there, helped find him, and then the two were sort of reconciling with one another. But, yeah, so Magneto was like, I'm going to take my daughter because I can look after her

better than anyone else. And all the Avengers is like, okay. So that's what he does. but you know even with the combined efforts of Magneto and Professor X they just can't get through to Wanda

and her powers are just like sort of unconsciously going even more out of control and basically threatening reality at this point so like the heroes in their infinite wisdom

consider like euthanizing Wander basically for her own good and for the good of the... Why not? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Quicksilver, though, when he hears about this, he is not that keen on the idea.

So, yeah. So he gets in there and basically is whispering in Wanda's ear and basically convincing her to warp reality. and this leads to the formation of the House of M, the like alternate reality where mutants rule the world, in particular Magneto as the top dog. But ironically, it's also a world where Wanda is supposedly human and doesn't have any powers and stays out of it all.

So she can raise her too. kids. But yeah, so this illusion lasts for a few issues and the Wolverine sort of sees through it. Him and both the resurrected Hawkeye as well. Isn't Leila Miller there? Yeah, they meet up with Leila and basically Leila helps wake up all the other like heroes and stuff in this. alternate world. And so, yeah, they try and confront Wander and get her to return things back to normal. But at this point, Wanda's mind's completely broken, basically. And this leads to the infamous No More Mutants wiping out like 99% of the mutant population,

including her brother. Yeah. Yes. Well, not just her brother. Her supposed father. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Him too.

Wanda. That was personal for her on those two. Yeah. Regardless of whatever they say, the situation is, there seems to be a connection between those two and Magneto. Yeah. It's quite personal, you know. Even if not technically their father, like, somewhat of a father figure. you know, who ended up emotionally manipulating them.

Like everybody's father cause. Yeah, I mean, that's what fathers do, isn't it? Yes. Wait? Yeah. Boy didn't like that one. Very close to home. Is your father, Magneto?

I'm sure that would have come up before now. do i like i haven't said i'm gonna john yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't you know i wouldn't bring it up just because i wouldn't want john coming by the house why not well i'm not could be uni stepmom oh well he's yeah magneto's part of the polycule so i guess so john is doing with stepmom yeah how how awesome do i how do i get into this family they've got an indoctrinated a member of your family into the bollicle apparently I don't want John the fuck

anyone in my phone like no offense John I just don't want that it's a matter of pride it's this personal thing I'm not interested you know yeah I don't blame you

you're busy man you have time he's having to satisfy like three other guys right now this is tough work but someone's got to do it hot and wet Oh man, cut this bit out

Keep it in Put this on YouTube The whole thing's going on YouTube So Anyway, so He's like super depressed Because he's no longer Got any mutant powers

Even tries to kill himself At one point because he's You know He's not himself anymore But Crystal takes him back to Atalan and yeah Quicksilver

basically begs Blackbolt to let him go undergo some terogenesis to kind of regain his powers but I don't know it's not exactly an exact science so I don't know what he was expecting there

but Black Bolt basically refuses him permission to do that, but you know, this is Quicksilver. So he just steals some Terrigin crystals and yeah, he does it anyway. But it turns out it's only like a temporary fix and it only

well, it doesn't just restore his super speed but it gives him the ability to kind of restore other like superhuman abilities of like former mutants as well, albeit with like really uncertain outcomes. Like it's... Real monkeys polish it. It's not...

Yeah, it's not giving them their powers back exactly as they were, but in unpredictable ways. Yeah. So this was in the... This was partially covered in the X Factor storyline. The second Peter David X Factor series. Yes. And there was also a Quicksilver One show. shot, I think that a lot of this was covered in, too.

Mm-hmm. But yeah, yeah. So I remember, like, one of them, for example, was, like, Callisto was exposed to it. And, like, she became super sensitive to, like, every physical sensation. Like, just, like, anything, like, her air touching open skin was, like, or sorry, her skin touching open air was, like, excruciatingly painful for her. Yeah, yeah. apparently his powers as well if he tried to use them on you know a mutant who still had their power

they overload them and kind of make them go completely you know crazy basically um so yeah having this ability uh just made wicksilver go slightly mad uh and cause him to basically into basically instigate a silent war between the inhumans and the US government but you know we don't really care about the inhumans

so we can skip over then cool go away with in humans I don't have to talk about that yeah I mean stuff happens we know I don't know who wins we don't care yeah it's not poor humans

whatever happens like Quicksilver he ends up in mutant town and tries to use his powers to help restore the powers of some of the people who'd lost theirs

but he's only really doing it to people he deems worthy which you know because he's not all there in the head at this point and yeah he jail because he's a bit out of control

and while he's in jail he kind of finally kind of starts snapping out of it and I think like his powers just stabilized as well so he loses the ability to you know restore the people's power he's got a super speed back

and he's basically now looking to get a bit of redemption for having gone crazy for five minutes or so so that's quicksilver there is as for Wanda after M-Day she had lost her memories and then

she was sort of wandering around in Eastern Europe. I believe she like encounters Hawkeye who... Oh, she does. Yeah. Bit of a weird choice

on somebody's part. Yep, yep, yep, yep. I mean, do we really want to go into that? It's a bit gross. I mean, we'll just state it because we've already danced around the subject. Hawkeye had sex with her knowing that that was a Scarlet Witch

and that she had no memory of him. Basically, that's basically rape when you get down to. it, you know. Not a good look for Hawkeye. Put the Avengers theme song right here. So, yes, moving on. She then encounters the Young Avengers, which, you know, the lineup include a Wiccan

and Tommy, Tommy Shepard, aka Cid. who, it turns out, are, you know, parnated souls of her dead sons. That helps, I guess, like, bring her memories back as well. But, you know, once she kind of gets altogether, aren't particularly happy with the fact that now, you know, 99% of the mutant population has been decimated. So they kind of want to make her pay for our crimes only for the Avengers to intervene and kind of, you know, save Wanda, basically.

And then I guess they get up to Avengers, you know, stuff in the next couple of years. But we'll skip over that to when the Phoenix decides to return to Earth once again. always does yeah the X-Men have decided that they want to try and claim the Phoenix and use its powers

to restart the you know mutant population which leads to a bit of a war between them and the Avengers who think that the Phoenix is too powerful and too dangerous for the X-Men to try and

use in that way and so the Avengers end up capturing Hope who is like a young mutant the very first one who had been born after M. Day who Gable had taken

into the future and basically protected from Bishop who had also gone crazy and was trying to kill her but yeah she was back in the present as like a teenage girl she's captured by the Avengers because it seems like the X-Men want to you know have her become the Phoenix host um and Scarlet Witch is on hand to basically help train her um uh you know in an effort to kind of

help her be able to control this dangerous wild cosmic entity. But it turns out after spending all that time trying to prepare hope for this role, the Phoenix just goes and insets itself into the Phoenix Five instead, who were Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Colossus and magic, I believe. I think so. So yeah. So the phoenix has split between those five.

But eventually, as the war kind of rages on, it's just Cyclops left with like the power of the phoenix all on his own. So he gets confronted by Professor X first. And he kills professed. And then he gets confronted by Scarlet Witch and Hope, who are, like, you know, hoping to exercise the phoenix from him. And together they managed to do so. And that helps Hope basically, you know,

use the Phoenix power to kickstart mutant births again. So, yeah, mutants are back, baby. finally and so long even though she was the one that brought that put the meetings to bed to begin with

yep well yeah but I mean you know redemption for Wanda to be able to help bring him back again so does she like meetings now

so I want to say real quick so that was so Wanda's redemption was basically undoing that do you want to know what Quicksilver's redemption was for his actions he liked

of peanuts um no my he had my favorite he had my favorite thing ever that i've seen and this is like dark rain era he was uh so after what happened with x factor is uh you know he lost access to the mists depowered got arrested uh because he was trying to kill layland miller and because you know because lela miller was associating with x factor at the time as well yes and he uh he ends up starting to get these hallucinogenic visions of the scarlet witch while he's in prison. And believing that Wanda's back, he ends up joining and gets out of jail via Hank Pym and his Mighty Avengers lineup. And the Mighty Avengers lineup was probably one of my favorite traditional Avengers lineup that they've had in a long time, like it was full of weird fucking

oddballs. That's what kind of made it fun. But anyway, when asked about his actions by like the press and stuff. This was after secret invasion. Quicksilver, just lied and told everybody it was a scroll that did it. No, it was a scroll and it was kidnapped. I was totally kidnapped.

The only person who saw through that was his daughter, who basically disowned him to his face when she confronted him about it. And his, I was a scroll, thing didn't pan out. Now, John,

Are we going to talk about the corporate X-Factor serval industries? I wasn't, but if you would like to, absolutely be free. This is a real quick one as well, because this run did not last very long. I think it maybe was less than 20 issues. So this is another Peter, this is another Peter David X-Factor run after his Jamie Madrock series ends. And so basically the center of this team was Polaris. and Polaris being in this weird state of depression because she's kind of the forgotten kid of Magneto's in a sense

like yeah it's an odd place for her. After the two Magneto kids that weren't even his kids? Yeah. She was always third place to the ones that weren't even his kids. That's got to suck, dude. So anyway, Pietro is trying to keep tabs on her and she ends up getting involved in this corporate company called Serval Industries that bought the rights to the name X Factor.

And they basically have a superhero team and Quicksilver joins kind of not so secretly just as a way to keep tabs on his sister Polaris. The other members of the team, by the way, Dylan, you'll love this lineup. It's Polaris is the leader, Quicksilver, Gambit, Doug Ramsey, Warlock, in danger. Wouldn't you said I would love it? Yes. Was that a bit?

Yes and no. I had a feeling you'd be all about Gambit being involved in the team. Why would Gambit be involved with that? Couldn't tell you. Well, couldn't tell you. Who wrote this? Peter David. Why?

Can you ask him? Well, you can't ask him. He passed away, unfortunately. Yeah, all right. Yeah, as soon as I said, I'm like, well, I fucked that up. But yeah, it was the thing that it didn't really last. It wasn't a long run. And everybody had these weird yellow and orange uniforms that Quicksilver did wear this time.

And goggles, everybody had goggles, including Gambit. Oh, Gabby and goggles. Yeah, he didn't have his trench coat either. He had like a short coat, like into the waist. I don't like it. Yeah. Anyway, that's your Serval Industries Quicksilver update in X Factor. Again, trying to keep tabs on the sisters and joining teams for the sake of just,

keeping an eye on her. Well, as for his other sister, Wanda ended up joining the Avengers Unity team, which is sort of a mix between Avengers and Mutants to try and, you know, repair and heal some of the, you know, tensions that had built up between the two camps during, you know, the whole Phoenix saga. Like, one of the mutants,

who is on the team with her, though, is Rogue, who very much does not like Wanda and still blames her for decimation. So, you know, there's a lot of tension there between the two of them. But,

you know, there's bigger things going on than whatever beef they've got, including the Red Skull showing up, having you know, stolen, Professor X's brain

and surgically attaching it to his own, I guess, to somehow give himself Professor X's powers, because Two brains, one skull. Yeah, I mean, it makes total sense. Double the brain,

double the smart. Also, like, his head was the exact same size, so how was he fit in... brains are squishy. Inside that. The brain was in the anus. That makes sense.

The brainess, if you will. Anyway, so, yes, the Avengers Unity Squad are, like, fighting the Red Skull in his base on Genosha. And, yeah, he, they're also joined by Magneto, who was, hunting the red skull at the same time as well. Magneto kills the red skull, but in doing so, that unleashes the red

onslaught. Having, I guess, like, you know, Magneto's magnetic powers mixing with the Xavier brain in Red Skull, I guess that, you know,

creates an onslaught or something. whatever. If it doesn't seem to make sense on paper, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. So yeah, Red Onslaught is a thing, and he's like threatening to, you know,

kill the world or whatever. And so it's up to Wanda and Dr. Strange to try and perform an inversion spell on Red Onslaughts. So the idea being that they'd make Professor X's mind kind of take charge of, you know, this two-brained beast. But as it turns out, they accidentally cast this spell on everyone who was on Genocia at this point. and there was a lot of people there including the x-men the avengers a random collection of villains like hobgoblin and i think carnage as well oh yeah so yeah they all have their like personalities inverted so villains become heroes heroes become villains

And yeah, this goes on for like a few issues and stuff where we get some fun out of that before eventually. Sure. I think it's the spirit of Dr. Voodoo's brother, Daniel Drum, basically helps them wonder and Dr. Strange and Dr. Doom kind of undo the effects of the original inversion spell. but in the meantime she discovers along with Pietro that Magneto was in fact not their birth father

because she tries to use a spell which is meant to hurt anyone with blood ties to her and it hurts Quicksilver but it has no effect whatsoever on Magneto Well, gosh, dang it.

Yeah. Turns out they're not related and they're not mutants either because their parents, their powers have come directly from the high evolutionary. The old status quo of what we thought was going on with Wander and Pietro. It has to be said as well. This was all done because at the time, the X-Men weren't part of the M.C. you and they were just trying to you know they really wanted to put them in the movie

yeah um so yeah so we've got this new beginning for them quicksilver basically takes over wanders place on the Avengers unity team uh well

temporarily at least but then he gets kicked off it pretty quickly because his uh recklessness basically causes yeah yeah I could have just said that but he

his recklessness causes his teammates synaps to get injured during a fight with juggernaut that great comic character we all know and love synaps yeah

lasting effect on comics that's because she got injured by the juggernaut adult juggernaut adult yeah our boy would not hurt that woman. He's a good boy. He's a good Christian

boy. We're working on it. We'll talk about that. We try to baptize him and we inadvertently just almost drown him every single time because he goes right to the bottom. He just broke the whole like little porcelain dish thing.

Yeah, but he smashed the whole thing. Yeah. Get up the whole church. Bad move. What you expect? He's the baby juggernaut. Don't be stopped. Bitch. Does he have a cockney accent?

Does he have a cockney accent? That's a question. He's a baby. I know, but he's got, he makes noises. Are they cockney noises? Okay. Okay.

You know, you heard a yes anding. Now it's time for, okay. Yeah. Well, uh, We'll discusses later. Yeah, we'll figure this out at another time.

Where are we? Let's just say Wanda has become more embroiled in the magical world with like a couple of her series. Quicksilver isn't really being used much at this point. And so we'll just jump straight ahead to you know, the start of Krakowa and the mutants going off having their own island

and basically becoming sort of like a war power through braid and medicines and stuff like that. So, yeah, on Krakawa,

Scarlet Witch is basically considered like a boogeyman. She is known as the pretender for you know, for fooling everyone into thinking she's a mutant even though she did legitimately think she was a mutant. So it's kind of a mean nickname. But, you know, Scarlet Witch is looking for redemption, even though she kind of got it already when, you know, the Phoenix.

She brought back the mutants. Yeah, she's done stuff and apparently it's not good enough. so she tries to resurrect mutants herself not realizing that they now had resurrection

protocols her efforts don't go as well as the protocols but it does kind of like plant a new idea in her head so during the very first

hellfire gala she makes the men's with Magneto and kind of accepts him as a father figure, even if he's not, you know, biologically her father. He's not the stepfather. He's not the father who stepped up. There you go. That got me in the fields right there.

Of course. Yeah. And then, lo and behold, she gets killed during this hellfire gala. But it turns out it was all. one big convoluted plan to allow her powers to basically fold time and bring into the resurrection protocols. All of the mutants who died before Cerebro was activated is at this point that they were basically, all the mutants who were alive and well had been kind of backed up iCerebro. and then when they grew like a new body for them,

they could just put those memories and personality and whatnot from Cereo into the new mutant, basically. But through Wonder, now they can go back and grab any mutant from any era and, you know, bring it back to life again. So that kind of... improved her reputation with the mutants. She became known as like a mutant saviour with the nickname of the Redeemer now.

That's nice. Good for her. Yeah, that's nice. And that's about it as far as, you know. Not a lot going on to Krikowa. I know Quicksilver like beat the shit out of Magneto while there and then broke down crying

after making you call the son that was the thing happened and then he and Wanda got drunk with Toad and Mastermind at the Blue Lagoon or was it the Blue Lagoon or Green Lagoon What was the name of the bar? It was Blob's Bar Yeah, the Blue Lagoon I think

Yeah, Blobs Bar So sweet. So I had a little Brotherhood of Evil Mutants reunion Aw. It all comes back around, man. Yeah. It comes back around. Some way, in some weird, strange way, it all kind of came back around.

So, John, do you have anything for Fall of X? I don't think so. Okay. So the, this was a short mini-series that happened after the Hellfire Galla, the last Hellfire Gala and Crocoa fell. Captain America saw the mutants were being hunted down by Orcus. So he assembled a second Unity Squad and the members were Captain America, Deadpool, Penance, Rogue, Siloac, and Quicksilver.

So mostly mutant lineup. The book title was Uncanny Avengers. And mainly they were kind of just there to try to. stop this false Captain Crocoa from further damaging the reputation of mutants the false Captain Bracoa being revealed to be the evil Steve Rogers

that was brainwashed in was a hydra agent and Quicksilvers Yep Quicksilver's main involvement there was being the fast guy and also starting up a relationship with M So yep Okay well Yep.

Then after that, Steve Orlando did a Quick Silver and Scarlet Witch mini-series. That was mainly about how the pair bring out the best and worst in each other. And mainly the story, that was pretty much the storyline about it, was sort of them trying to continue living their very complicated existence together, where they love each other, but they also realize that at times they bring out their worst traits in one another. And as of right now, Quicksilver still kind of a backup Avenger and Wanda is the Sorcerer Supreme. I think that's everything. John, is there anything else there that you were going to bring up?

No, no, I think that about coveted. That's where you end things and like Wanda is like one of the most powerful people in the world. Also the winner of our Marvel bracket. Quicksilver is just a dude. Yep, pretty much. He can run fast. Yep, he can run and think fast. Actually, I think you did cover a lot of Avengers stuff, too.

I know, I didn't mean to, but you have to. So really, a lot. Yeah, Wanda has so little to do with the X-Men stuff for the most part. Like, I swear to God, this episode would have been even shorter if there was not the House of M storyline. Because, like, we would have just stopped talking about Scarlet, which, she would have just stopped talking about her in the 80s that we're like, yeah, and then Scarlet. The Scharlet Witch just never came back to the X-Men books after that. How is the name you have to talk about because it is... Well, as I'm saying, if that storyline didn't exist,

we wouldn't talk about Scarlet Witch past, what, 1984? Right. In the context of this here. Blood ties. Blood ties. Well, I mean, she didn't even have a huge part in blood ties. Not really. I mean, that was mainly a Magneto book.

Mm-hmm. It wasn't. Exodus book. Yeah. Magneto was. not involved. Well, it was briefly... The whole point of it was people

poking the bear on Magneto. Yes, it was a reference to Magneto where he wasn't really... He wasn't there. But yeah, yeah, it was mainly a bunch of people trying to piss him off. Correct. So, yeah, I mean, well,

traditionally when we do these episodes, we talk a little bit about how they're portrayed in alternate comic continuities and movies and stuff. I mean, we can hit on those really quick. We already mentioned that most famously, the ultimate universe, the original ultimate universe,

they were quite incestuous. And I remember a panel of Captain America finding out and being really weirded out, and then the wasp going, oh, you're just being an old fuddy-duddy. It was like, what? What? No, I think that's a normal reaction to have. But yeah, because, you know,

that's the ultimates for you. Those books do not hold up. They do not hold up. And so there's that one. I don't know if there's any other, like, alternate comic universes that you would like to mention. Both were in age of apocalypse, but very small parts. Both were in Marvel Zombies. I think mainly in Marvel Zombies, Quicksilver, was responsible for the spread of the zombie virus because of Super Speed.

Mm-hmm. Just running around, biting everybody. So if we want to talk about movies and stuff, that's a tale of two cities as well. Very famously, we've had one Scarlet Witch and we've had two Quicksilvers. So our one Scarlet Witch is Mary Elizabeth Olson. Yes. Who people really enjoyed, obviously.

And we had two Quicksilvers, one in the Fox movies with, was it Evan, what's Evan's last name? Peter's. Evan Peters. And Aaron Taylor Johnson for the MCU. So, yeah, thoughts on those. I mean,

Aaron Taylor Johnson's version, you know, this is a, like, I don't know, 14-year-old spoiler, but he dies in that movie because Quicksilver doesn't really offer much, except for being a dick. sacrificial lamb so

I I it's to the surprise of no one I do like Quicksilver and I was disappointed they killed him off in that movie but again what were you going to do with him I feel like there's a lot of characters they've introduced the MCU that could be killed off at this point because it's like what are you going to do with him now yeah right so yeah no he was fine

you know Evan Peter's definitely more memorable with his scenes in the Fox movies, the slow motion stuff as he's running around. Very well shot. Beautiful, beautiful stuff. Absolutely. It's more fun. Yeah.

You watch you and like lots of fun character because of the way they shoot it. Well, and the other quick. That's not fun. Well, yeah, they're both, they're both, they're both, they're both playing essentially pricks but different flavor. So like, yes. Evan Peters, Quicksilver is annoying and obnoxious. but in a fun way.

You know, he's cracking jokes. And Aaron Taylor Johnson is playing a dickhead. Yeah. So, yeah. There you go. Well, and Quicksilver. Yeah. We did get to see him, or Quicksilver, come back in Wanda Vision, kind of, as Evan Peters assumed

the role of Wanda's brother in one of the alternate, in the alternate little reality she created. before it was revealed because a lot of people thought that was going to be the first like multiverse thing they did in reality it was

sort of I think Evan Peters was just like somebody that lived in that neighborhood and she just manipulated him into being her brother

fair enough yeah I saw I knew some people disappointed in that they were really hoping that was going to be a you know multiverse thing

I mean it was a pretty funny twist I can see why people would be be disappointed with it, but I found it pretty funny. And the fact he, his real name in that was Ralph Boner

as well. Yeah. I mean, it's the little things. You know, you can't help but laugh at that. Uh, but yeah. So that's where we are right now with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Uh, again, this was our as little talk about the Avengers as

possible deep dive into their, their place in the world of mutants, even though they're not technically mutants. I think the only people who get, the only person who gets fucked with as much as they do in regards to that is Franklin Richards. They go out of their way to either explain he's a mutant or he's not a mutant. So currently he's not a mutant. But I mean, I mean, the very nature of Franklin Richards power,

he could just change his mind and he is suddenly. So, you know. Yeah. He is a mutant for as long as he feels like being one. Well, that's his power. He can just do whatever he wants. He could just change himself on a molecular level to not be mutant. That being said, John, how many movies have you watched so far this year?

Brittling. I am... Everyone's a judge. I've currently watched 336 movies for the year so far. Okay. So, yeah. that's not bad you're already well you're getting close to 400 and april hasn't even started yet well done yeah it's uh it's going pretty well so far this year i'd say yeah what was your most recent

one you watched um i had a another vincent price double bill today i've watched a lot of his movies so far this year like i think today's i reached my 17th movie with vincent prison and this was and I guess it was horror anthology but it was basically three stories in one movie

all based on the works of Nathaniel Hawthorne who did like the Scarlet Letter and it's called Twice Told Tales Truthfully it wasn't great I mean I liked it

but I didn't love it because it just felt a bit overlong and you know like the horror aspect of it was a bit lacking but you know it's Vincent Price and

there's something enjoyable about him hamming it up as only he can so always yeah and John they can see the working people start that over again what did you give it

What did you give it? Oh, I think I gave that one three stars. It's all right. Yeah. And John, where can people go to see reviews for other Vince to Price movies that you've been watching recently? They can find me on Letbox at Big John Bowsky, Allum Wood. Dylan, what have you been up to this week? Well, I do a radio show that I do every Monday night on a bunch of night on Boney.

digital radio you can listen to it online if you wish uh across the world we'll do it from nine o'clock to 11 o'clock on like uh uk time so whatever time that is for you and whatever part of the globe you are listening to this on just convert the time nine o'clock on monday nights and you'll hear all sorts of cool music some of it you'll know some of it you might not know I already like it um I stream on twitch sometimes a spookerler route where I draw pictures and then I animate those pictures. I put them up on Team Crows and I on YouTube. And that's it.

There you go. And the links for all those can be found in the description of this video as well. I have my other show Large Old Cup, which is a stream of consciousness thing. I think in the last episode, which is now three or four episodes ago. By the time you hear this, I talked about going to see Gary Newman, Gorilla Biscuits, and Circle Jerks all in 48 hours, well, 24 hours. hours really. I could have made it a triple threat and saw Gwar on Sunday night, but I couldn't do that to myself

physically. You went to a clown rave too. I did go to a clown roof. That was not the main attraction though. And I also got into an altercation afterwards, which I think I told you guys about. But if not, we'll talk about it off air. You did. Fair enough. That being said, I also have the other show that's on these YouTube channel, New Number ones where we look at new issue number ones. I'm not going to lie, it's getting a little difficult right now.

There's not as many independent small-busher new number ones coming out as I would like, so I might have to lift the embargo on Marvel and DC. They'll probably get more views, that's for sure, though. Do we want views or do we want people to know the truth? I mean, I'm going to aim for the small creator-owned stuff as often as, I can. Like I said, I just did electric chair by Adam Phelp, which was fucking wild to read. So I always aim for stuff like that first, but if it's like one shots or like something bad, then I'm going to probably go for a Marvel or a DC.

Case in point, I did see a small publisher from Australia put out something that was so bad. I didn't want to talk about it. Okay. Yeah, it was rough. is a rough one. But you can find that also on the YouTube channel. Until next time, though, the next time we do this, by the way,

guys, our choices to do deep dives on are a little, we're getting interesting. Next up, Namor the Submariner, technically a mutant, debuted in X-Men issue number six in 1964. After that is Eunice the Untouchable. And the Banshee,

Mahayogi Morph Mesmero and then we get to Polaris and Havoc Listen, I don't want to be that guy but I'm pretty sure we can skip some of those guys

Yeah Might be worth it Might be worth it Or we do like the five minute Eunice the untouchable segment of the episode Before we talk about someone else By the way he was around

You couldn't touch him That was his gimmick Well then he'd stuff like it didn't die Yep Like you do classic bit. Like you. Well, I don't.

Well, maybe you will because we'll see you guys next week with another episode. Maybe Dylan at this point, we'll learn. Maybe next week, I'll be dead. Maybe. Dead me. All right, bye guys. Okay. Bye-bye.

Great way to end the show. Bye-bye.