The Smark Avengers - The Deadliest Superheroes in Marvel & DC?! We Disagree…

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

Who are the deadliest superheroes in Marvel and DC Comics? According to the internet, there’s already a list… but Corey, Dylan, and Jon aren’t sure they agree with it. In this episode, the crew goes through two online rankings: one listing the Deadliest DC superheroes and another ranking the Deadliest Marvel heroes. As they read through the lists, they debate the placements, question some of the choices, and try to figure out what the rankings even mean by “deadliest.” Do the lists focus on body count, power level, or willingness to cross the line? And which characters were completely overlooked? Along the way the discussion turns into the perfect setup for the next episode, where one of these deadly heroes will become the focus of a deeper dive. 🦸 In this episode: Reviewing the internet’s rankings of Marvel and DC’s deadliest heroes Debating whether the picks actually make sense Characters who absolutely should have made the list Some surprising placements that spark heated arguments 💬 Join the debate: Which Marvel or DC hero do you think is the deadliest? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy comic debates 🔔 Subscribe for more comic book discussions, rankings, and deep dives Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's project "Henry's Usual": https://www.tumblr.com/henrysusual Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

That becomes the new open. It smash cuts to us in suits walking out of a limousine. What if we did that? What if we recreated the evolution, like entrance video, but just the three of us? Which one of us is Brickflare? I think John's technically the oldest. I was going to say. Can I be, um, kind of have to be me.

Can I be Mark Jindrack? Can you like edit me out of it? My Rondi Orden? Yeah, you got some Randy Orton. qualities to you. You definitely shit in so much doubleback, I'm sure. You're bad. Hi, everybody. Welcome, Smart Avengers. My name is Gorey with me, is Dolvin John. I mean, I feel as appropriate. We're going to start an episode with the Smart Avengers.

We should have like a fucking wrestling plug in there somewhere. Joining me, of course. Oh, that's a rugby plug, but certainly a diss on me. I'm a comic book podcasting. Mark Jindrack, Corey, and with me is Comic Book podcastings, Randy Orton and Rick Flair, Dylan and John. How's it going, guys? Really good.

Whatever Randy Orton's catchphrase is. I can't wait for John for you to have your fallout and you're just like drunk doing cameos and some like restaurant somewhere. Don't get married. Oh, it's coming. How do you guys know that John doesn't do that already.

He's not on Camio was like the guy from the Smart Avengers and he's just like getting pissed and doing it. It's a box man. You get like Camio from John. I'll say bye to you any of your friends and loved ones for birthdays, holidays. You still won't see his face.

He still won't see his face. It's just a black screen. It's going to cost you like thousands of pounds to see that face. All elite Scooby-Doo. That'd be worth it though. I still believe someone's been Yeah, but you wore like a, you're worth a doctor dude mask, so nobody will know what's you.

There you go. Be clever. E. Thous and pines. I almost forgot we were doing a show there for a moment. Anyway, yeah. We have to? We, I think we have to, technically. It's what we're here for.

Well, so we decided a while ago that, uh, well, actually, wasn't the same we decided. He was more of a, kind of a request from Dylan. Um, in the past, we've had episodes where we got together and decided that, that we could do something that the comic book world could not do long term, and that was kill off a character permanently. So we started with the Flash. Well, actually, we did Aquaman. We did The Flash.

We did Magneto. We did Wolverine. And Dylan, you're hankering, you're hankering for a little bit of murder right now. Got the bloodlust. As I often am. As I often am. You guys know this about me. I'm a convicted felon.

I just love killing. Yep, there you go. Yeah, so we were kind of trying to figure out who we were going to put up on the chopping block this time around. And I feel like, I don't want to say that the well ran dry, but there's a lot of characters that are like, they'd be kind of easy if you thought too much about it or it might be impossible if you thought too much about it.

So we thought we would let other comic book pros in the industry do it for us. And so today I have found from mojo.com, the leading experts in needless lists of pop culture bullshit, a top 10 most violent Marvel characters and top 10 most violent DC characters. And I figured we would kind of just go through their list to see if we agree or disagree and then from these 20 names pick out

who we're going to murder in our next episode. Seems legitimate to me. So I have two lists here in front of me. I have a top 10 Marvel and top 10 DC. Do you guys have a preference as to who we start with? I think we should start with DC first because I don't know I don't know about DC. Okay. You took a whole trivia game on that, but all right.

And how did that work out for me? You only were like five points behind. It wasn't that bad. It wasn't a blowout. I was behind? Yeah. Anyway. I didn't win?

So again, these are from mojo.com or watch mojo.com. Like I said, these guys do nothing but pop culture lists and whatnot. So they're the experts when it comes to this. We'll see if we agree or disagree. So number 10, are either of you familiar with the character Katana? Yes. John, where are you familiar with Katana from? Well, she was in the Suicide Squad movie.

Yes. Oh. She was in David Ayer's Suicide Squad. So this is the description of for Katana. Samurai swords are pretty scary at best of. times, which with a ridiculously keen edge and enough weight to chop off limbs of use correctly. But a magic samurai sword that can cut through anything and steal the souls of its victims, now that's terrifying. The wielder of this blade is one of the most deadly heroes in the DC universe,

a skilled swordsman who most notably served as a member of the outsiders. Despite carrying a sword full of trapped souls on her hip, something that definitely says villain to us. She's been a staunch warrior for good and a frequent ally of Batman and other heroes. That is really funny. it says most known for the outsiders because I feel like more people saw David Ayer's Suicide Squad than knew that the outsiders was a comic book team. Right. I feel like

Nash and Hall are most known for being the outsiders. I would agree. I was about to say can either of you name another member of the outsiders? It just did. Two. Yeah, exactly. The only two.

Does six count as a member of the outsiders? he was no he was in the NWO yeah he was not a member of the tag team he was the sixth member then who was this he was the six member that's why he was six because the fourth member

was that the giant or debiasey so the fifth member was the giant then don't remember I know the fourth one was debassy but nobody talks about that yeah well yeah it was a bad

choice. Six was the one, two, three, kid, like one plus two plus three or six. Yes, but like it also worked because he was the sixth member of the NWO, right? Yeah. Now, who was the seventh member? And at that point, it didn't

matter anymore. Did he come in? Dusty? I was going to say Eric Bishop. Yeah, you're right. Dusty came in. Yeah, see, because that's why they got rid of Dibiasi, because they had Dasty. Like, we don't need... I mean, they got rid of Dibiasi. Well, because Dibiasi turned

face and aligned himself with the Steiner's. Why are we talking about this? He made sense because he could bankroll the NWO to get into the... Yeah, yeah, but he wasn't working as a member because it was like, oh, he's just doing like the million dollar man thing and it's not really working as well. So they're like, oh, we'll turn a baby face and have him manage the Steiner brothers. Like, to me it made sense to have him there because that explains why they're there. Yeah, well, then like you said, I think it's when they made the decision.

to just go ahead and put Eric Bischoff as an on-air character for the NWO. Right. They don't need it anymore. Yeah. Because it's like, well, the guy who runs the places, yeah. Okay, fair enough. Anyway. Anyway.

All right. Number nine on the list, we have green arrow. Boxing glove arrows aside, a bow and arrow is an extremely difficult weapon to use if you're trying to keep your hands clean. But his emerald clad hero is nothing if not dedicated. A respected crime fighter who served on almost every superhero team at DC, the Emerald Archer puts his boat a good use, dishing out justice to street crime and sticking up for the little guy. Though he usually puts up a jovial front, especially in the comics, he's been pushed to the

breaking point more than most heroes and usually responds by putting the more lethal kind of arrows in his quiver to good use. I love the idea of somebody being really nice and jovial and fun and quippy and also being a serial murderer. So yeah, the hero, I'm like, I'm not opposed to the idea of him being on the list because he's straight at like Mike Grell's Longbow Hunters that became the Green Arrow series in the late 80s, early 90s, was about like an older Green Arrow killing people essentially. And then he killed Prometheus in the cry for justice event, which led to the fall of Green Arrow. And absolute Green Arrow is being teased as a guy who, as a mystery character who is killing off billionaires, which is also very, in the spirit of green arrow so i'm not opposed i'm already on the board yeah yeah i was a little perturbed at first when they announced absolute green arrow because i was excited and then in a teaser

for it they revealed that ollie was murdered by the absolute hawkman and i was like oh okay so it won't be allie then who the hell is it going to be and they still haven't revealed it but the premise is interesting enough i'll probably check it out number eight though we have damien wayne a k a.k. A. Robin. If we were raised by a secret group of ninja assassins, we'd have trouble keeping things nonviolent too. The son of Bruce Wayne and Talia Al-Gul is one of many young characters to have taken

up the mantle of Robin. He is, however, the only Robin to be the grandson of one of Batman's greatest enemies. Given his background, it's not surprising that Batman had his hands full keeping his new psychic from giving into his assassin training when fighting crime. As dangerous as he is to criminals, he can be just as daunting for his fellow crime fighters

who have often butted heads with a brash young warrior. In one of his first appearances, he absolutely decapitated a very low-level, like, D-list villain with a sword, just took his head right off. Who was the villain? I think he was called The Goal, and he was essentially just a guy with a sheet over his head like a cartoon ghost. Oh, fuck off. Yeah, that was Grant. All right.

He created that guy? I think he created him for the express purpose of getting killed off by Damien. Okay, there wasn't like a legacy character I'll pick him back and kill him. I don't think he was. Okay. That's the problem. I'll accept that.

As we've seen in the Wonder Woman and Aquaman villains, there's sometimes a really deep pool of weirdo characters to pull from. If you told me that in the 60s, there was a character in Batman who was just a guy with a sheet over his head, called us up the ghoul. I would have been like, yep, all right. Checks out. Yep. Fair enough.

All right, number seven, we have Hawk. Well, not the most well-known crime-fighting duo on the block. The team of Hawk and Dove are practically DC mainstays. While there have been a few different iterations, the basic premise remains the same. The pacifistic and level-headed Dove seeks to fight crime with minimal violence, while they're more hot-tempered and warlike counterpart practically revels in it. It's your basic odd couple situation with a superhero angle, especially when his peaceful protege isn't around to rein him in.

Hawk is a violent and brutal crime fighter who frequently leaves his foes in traction or worse. Preferred his team with animal. This is going to be the most wrestling-related one we have. I'm surprised we've done this, with a lot of jokes so far. Yeah. All right, number six,

Lobo, a hard-drinking, hard-fighting, trash-talking spacebiker. This fan-favored anti-hero doesn't mess around. The character was actually created as a parody intended to lampoon, gritty, and ultra-tuff characters like Wolverine, but became popular enough to stick around, us by being intended as a joke.

In addition to incredible levels of strength and endurance, he can also regenerate his entire body in seconds, making him functionally immortal. We really only need to bring up one example of his violent tendencies, and that's the fact that the main man is the last survivor of his race because he killed every other member of his species. Are we sure he qualifies as a hero, though? I want to say two things about that.

Okay. Real quick. One is... I've already forgot what the one was. The second one, I thought that like, whenever you told me this gimmick was going to be like DC and Marvel things, I for sure was like Lobo is going to be on that list, right? Yep. I think the second thing I was going to say was that I'm surprised Lobo is so low on this list. Yeah, especially some of these names coming up.

Way higher than six. The other thing I was going to say was I thought that we would be. killing Lobo next week. Is that your pick? Oh, God, I have not. Oh, okay. I, just going into this blind, I thought, even, like, I don't know what the Marvel one is.

Just from the D.C. side, I thought Lobo would be pretty high on the list of what he would be end up killing. Okay. So, and the fact you said that he can regenerate in seconds, I'm like, okay. Can he regenerate from syphilis? I feel like the main man is definitely. definitely had syphilis once or twice, it seems, in his wheelhouse. But has he had space syphilis?

He's from space. If he was going to have anything, he wouldn't have, like, Earth syphilis. We'll get into that later. So he might not be used to Earth syphilis. It's a different syphilis, Corey. So this is basically, you're pitching the end of the war of the worlds, but with a sexually transmitted disease instead of the common cold. This is essentially what you pitched.

And I'm fine with that. Sure. I'm happy with that. Okay. Okay. We'll save that for next week. We'll save that for next week. We still have 15 other names to get through.

Number five, we have Roy Harper. The former sidekick of Green Arrow has had a pretty rough life. After the Teen Titans disbanded, the former Speedy struggled with the drug addiction, a battle that has become to define his life as a hero. Since kicking his addiction, he's gone by both Arsenal and Red Arrow and continues to use a bow and arrow as his primary weapon. Like his former mentor, his skill at archery is almost peerless, and his variety of trick arrows makes him a powerful opponent for any supervillain. His dark pass continues to haunt him, though,

making him a potentially more dangerous opponent than many of his superheroic peers. So what separates arsenal from Green Arrow is that basically, Roy Harper kind of has a bull's eye quality to him where he can pretty much use any weapon. It just so happens that bow and arrow is his favorite. Has this guy killed more people than Lobo? That's the problem with this list I'm having. if we're going by body count alone Lobo needs to be on top of the list

he killed his entire species Right Like I feel like he's way ahead I feel like Arsenal's only killed like A couple of terrorists and drug dealers I don't think he's ever like yeah I don't mean that's just like us That's fine that's okay

Yeah All right We've done that Number four Magog Few heroes embody the image of the violent Noholds barred superhero Better than this one

In the Kingdom Come Elseworld story, the familiar heroes of DC Universe have been replaced by a new and more violent generation of crime fighters. Chief among them is the horned hero who murdered the Joker after the clown prince of crime killed many of the daily planet staff, including Lois Lane. He later appeared in the mainline DC Universe, the chosen champion of a demigod with sinister motives. Armed with superhuman strength and endurance as well as a staff able to manipulate energy, his no-nonsense attitude and military training makes him an extremely dangerous hero. So yeah, Magog was kind of, I don't want to say he was the big bad of Kingdom Come, but he was definitely like the standard of like everything that Superman was against. Kingdom Come is basically like Alex Ross's statement of the night, like his opinion of 90s comics. Is sort of criticizing the young, edgy, violent, grim, dark era by having them contrast with the older, more standard superheroes.

Okay. So there's that. Number three, Asriel. When Batman was left paralyzed after a brutal encounter with the supervillain, the Dark Knight left this hero as his replacement. Raised by a religious order called the Order of St. Dumas, the angelically named hero was trained as a deadly agent of divine justice. Bruce's choice and replacement turned out to be a mistake,

as his understood he grew increasingly violent and merciless. He even overhauled Batman's costume, adding a variety of blades, claws, and projectile weapons, similar to the equipment he used in his previous identity. Things reached a breaking point when he allowed the serial killer Abitouar to die, prompting Bruce to return to take back the cowl. I'd say Asriel's fair on this.

I mean, the guy is a religious zealot assassin who's more often than not fall in sway under brainwashing. I don't want to get all, like, morality or whatever, but like, if you kill a guy whose name was Avatore?

To be fair. He didn't kill him. He just didn't save him. Right. So he didn't kill him. And this guy who's, he had the name Abatore, which would suggest he killed a lot of people himself in quite inhuman circumstances. So I feel like, I don't know if that's a crime.

Well, so the thing about it that made it a problem, right? So Avatore's was a serial killer who was obsessed with killing off members of his own family. And he had he had kidnapped, I believe, like a relative and had hidden them away and they were going to slowly suffocate to death. And Asriel let Avatore die before it was revealed where this person was. So essentially, Asrael not only let this guy fall to his death, he also condemned this innocent person to death. And that's what the big issue was with Avatore's death. Not so much that he let the serial killer die so much as like, hey, because you were more concerned with watching this guy get punished, an innocent person also died in the process.

And we have no way to know. But also, but also before that, a lot of other innocent people died and he got away Scott Free. So in that, if you think that way. Yeah, yeah. I'm just explaining what the, uh, the emotional stake was in that story. We talked, didn't we talk about Nightwing with this? Yes, yeah, we did.

It was in the nightfall two-parter. A thing? Yes, the Bain thing. Yep. It was in our night I remember this because they had all the armor

and take it all off to get through that little passage. See, I remember. There you go. All the people in the comments is I don't remember. I remember.

Also, if you haven't written that in the comments, you should go back into the old episodes and write in the comics that I don't remember things and then you'll get to this one and then you find that I do remember things

and then you can write, oh, you did remember. And then that would be really good for the algorithm. We're already fucking over the algorithm by not saying unalive, so we're fine. Yeah, everybody dies.

Everybody dies. Everybody gets murdered. Everybody commits suicide. All that other stuff. Anyway, number two, Jason Todd. And speaking of overly violent bat allies, this former Robin stepped into the role of Boy Wonder after Dick Grayson struck out on his own. But unlike his good-natured predecessor,

the second Robin proved more reckless and violent. But before Batman could curb these tendencies, his second sidekick was killed by the Joker. After returning from the dead years later, he donned the identity of the Red Hood, a violent vigilante dedicated dispatching the villains that Batman refused to kill. So, there you go. Red Hood nowadays, though, is more of, like, non-lethal kind of guy. I think they just announced a new Teen Titans book,

and he's, like, the mentor leader of the Teen Titans. What number we at? This is number two, so number one is up next. Okay, I'm going to say something, but I'm going to wait until we hear number. one first. Okay. And number one, I don't agree. It's it. I, watch Mojo. I'm not a fan of you guys. Number one.

Fuck you. Number one, Roarshack. Alan Moore's seminal, right? Number one, Alan Moore's seminal watchman violently reinvented the superhero for the modern era, stripping away the glamour and myth making of most superhero comics in favor of cold, hard reality. Perhaps the poster child for this ethos, this unhinged crime fighter comes across more like a serial killer than a hero. A cold and calculating

bogeyman literally stained with the blood of his foes. His skill for inflicting creative violence has left numerous criminals and would-be super villains dead or injured. And his violent war on crime even continued when he was arrested and incarcerated. He's so scary that he even gives pause to the likes of the comedian

a similar violent hero from the Watchman universe. So that was the Watchmojo dot com top 10 most violent DC characters. I would not count Rochok as a character. He's clearly vertigo. Oh, nope. I have a couple

of things to say about that. Number one is fuck watch mojo because Jesus Christ. Second of all, even if you read that book, if you read Watchmen, we can all agree that Roershack is not

the guy that kills the most people in that. Not even the most, the guy who kills the most people in that book. Correct. Correct. He's not he's not the guy that killed some most people in that book he's a smelly weird man that's all he is

yeah he's a weird dude he's a smelly weird man but the the third thing he was he was like what's the name of the guy that are you referring to dr man or ozimandias osmandius yeah he might be interested

we might put him in the back burner are we gonna kill ozimandias because he's just a dude Well, my third point was going to be Of all of the guys we've said on this list Right How many of these people Could we just kill by shooting them in the head? And I feel like the answer is all of them except Lobo

Maybe Magog? Yeah Maybe Magog because he's got like He's powered by a god as well He's not just a dude He's got god powers, but yes Well, a lot of normal fucking people on this list Right?

Right let's say because if the goal is to find who we're going to kill next week we'll just kill loads of people now and clear the field and say we've got lobo and that magog guy those are our two possible candidates for next week everybody else is a fucking idiot yeah yeah yeah i think hawk might give you more trouble because i think he also has a level of superhero powers but katana has a magic sword but a regular person green arrow and arsenal

and Damian Wayne and Jason Todd are just standard crime fighters, no powers there. Yeah, Hawk has powers. Lobo's an alien who can regenerate his body. Asriel's just a dude. Rorschach just a dude. So yeah, the only powered characters are Lobo, Hawk, and Magog.

And Hawk has been killed before. So let's factor that in. If we're going to kill somebody, think about the people that would be hard to kill. Yeah. It's not easy enough to say, to shoot them in the head. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Back to that it. So that being said, um, I, I think that list was rubbish. I think it was old stuff.

It was just such a, it makes, it makes like D.C. look like a bunch of punks, really. It's like, oh yeah, these are our deadliest characters.

Just a bunch of humans who, like, use weapons. Like, even like the fuck. I mean, the Wonder Woman list we put together, we can name like a dozen

characters that would be better off on that. Like, you know, Aries, the god of war, literally the god of war. Well, to be fair, I think this list is picking specifically from hero characters rather than, you know, including villains as well. I guess so, but still, there's better choices. I mean, goddamn Captain Adam is literally like a living nuclear reaction. Firestorm can change you on a molecular level. I thought somebody like parallax or whatever would be up there because they kill a lot of people. Yeah, if we're going to go with the Hal Jordan, he killed the entire Green Lantern Court. Yeah, and who hasn't these days?

Yeah, there's so easy. A lot of them. I thought I'd kill all of them. When I saw that, when I saw Lobo wasn't even in the top five, I was like, all right, this is a bunch of bullshit. And then I saw Rorschach was number one. I'm like, oh, the smelly man from Watchman, okay. Why did we go with like heroes to kill people? I mean, that's what this list was.

These were heroes, technically. Can we really, like, emphatically say that Watchmojo is bullshit? Well, we can say that because we also have the Watchmojo.com top 10 most violent Marvel characters to read through. They're very clearly saying characters. They're not saying Heroes or villains. They're saying characters. Yeah, but so you might, Dylan, you might find a little. more inspiration on this list.

Okay. Number 10, ghost writer. Being the spirit of vengeance, this fiery hero doesn't pull his punches in the slightest. Though the mantle has been held by various characters, they all have the power to channel the fires of hell itself, imbuing objects like chains with red-hot fury. So it's a safe bet that the demons, criminals, and other nasty customers he deals with won't be getting much in the way of due process. But even more terrifying is the pennant stare, a power held by the various writers that causes

evildoers to feel all of the pain they inflicted upon others, which leaves them catatonic from the massive physical and psychic trauma. I will tell you this. There is a whole series of posts on like Marvel Reddit about how the penit stare has essentially become completely pointless. Because if you want to show that a villain is like a big, bad, serious threat, have Ghost Rider try to use the Pennant Stare on them and it not work because they have no empathy for the people they've hurt. Like, I think he tried it on courage, didn't work. I think he tried it on Punisher, didn't work.

It's like, what, some great... The Punisher is, really... I... Okay, you know what's running is, whenever we were thinking about this, episode before any of this shit happened, in my head, I was like, the ghost writer is probably up there.

Like, who's a good character to try to kill? A fucking ghost that drives a Motorbike. Yeah. That's a pretty good, like, edgy character to kill. You know? So that was, like,

Ghost Rider was one of the ones I came up with, like, straight away. That's an edgy fucking 90s character. Probably, what do they come into the 80s? But you know what I mean? With that kind of era.

Yeah, Ghost Rider was 70s. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. My favorite ghost riders was the 91. I like much more than Johnny. What are people like ghosts and motorbike? Bikes. Evil can evil.

He's not technically a ghost, though. He's something. What the fuck is he? A spirit? Some kind of demon? He is the spirit of demons. He's called Ghost Rider. He's called the Spirit of Vindensis. It's false advertising. That's how Bethester really gets you.

It's the false advertising. Do you think Spurt Rider sounds too, like? Spirit Rider sounds like a cigarette brand for, like, hipsters. Bird Rider sounds like one of the My Little Pony's. Oh, okay. I mean? Applejack. It's flip, flip-flop. Oh, it's Spurt Rider.

You know what I mean? It's not... Do you mean? Yeah. Well, sorry, wrong. Speaking of a character that might fit along, well, it doesn't. It seems like a complete 180 from Ghost Rider. We have number nine, Namor.

You'd think that spinning all your time underwater would be pretty relaxing, but Marvel's rule of Atlantis probably never relaxed a day in his life. One of the oldest characters still appearing in Marvel Comics, the Submariner is known far and wide for his violent temperament and tendency to fly off the handle. It's gotten so bad that he's been considered a villain as much as a hero. He frequently traded

blows with other Marvel heroes, be over mankind's abuse of the world's oceans, or his serious interest ensue storm of the Fantastic Four. But let's just say he's the kind of guy who always finds something to be mad about. Does he kill more than Ghost Rider? Sorry, Spirit Rider? I mean, in the

grand scale, he's definitely... Yeah, he fled to Wakanda. I was going to say, didn't he fled Wakanda, and I'm guessing lots of people died in that? Yeah, I mean, he and Black Pam is going to have a love lost. I think it's swim.

In college, I had a friend who Namor was her favorite comic book character, and I thought that was wild for some reason. I was like, really? That's wild to me, because I've never heard that. I've never known anyone that was like, Nambo's Submarinor is my favorite character. I love Prince Namor.

Are you going to shame them by saying their name on the podcast? No. We can redact it. We'll put a blank thing over their face. That was Layla. Take that, Leila. Redact that. Yeah, we're redacting that.

Anyway. Yeah. Number eight, Blade. Killing vampires can off to be dirty work, and nobody knows that better than the seasoned vampire hunter. A half vampire himself, he has all the powers of his blood-sucking prey, but none of their weaknesses. This makes him especially well-equipped to battle the creatures of the night

and his arsenal of vampire-killing guns, sword, and tricked-out motorbike won't hurt either. It's no wonder that he was the star of some of the earliest R-rated superhero movies, which took full advantage of the character's tendency to coat virtually every surface he gets near with a layer or two of blood, like the world's most morbid interior decorator. Okay. Yeah, Blade, Blade, that's the bill. Yeah, we can kill Blade. That's not a bad shot.

Yeah. He's a vampire with none of the weakness. of a vampire. It's got some difficulty there. Yeah. What if you chop his head off? I mean, that was the traditional way that you killed the vampires. You cut their head off and stuffed garlic in their mouth. Well, just cut his head off anyway. Because he doesn't have the garlic

weakness, so he just cut his head off. Yeah, but it just smells better. It's seasoning. It makes it taste better. Add a little pesto. A little bit of feta. A little bit of rosemary. Ooh. Delicious. John, this might make you happy to hear. Number seven, Daredevil. Hell's Kitchen didn't get its name for being an especially happy and welcoming place, so the superhero dedicated to keeping it safe isn't one to play nice. Blinded by toxic chemicals, but also granted enhanced senses. The future guardian of Hell's Kitchen was also trained by a blind ninja master into a brutally efficient hand-to-hand fighter. They're on a pair of Billy Clubs and a powerful right hook inherited from his prize-fighting father, and you've got a hero who usually leaves the criminals he encounters with more than just bruises. Of course, he is also, he is

also been on the receiving end of a few bad hits himself. That last line, I don't know why they bothered to put that in there. He's killed loads of people, but sometimes he gets punched in the head. He gets his ass whipped too. And this guy is seventh on the list. Will we going to agree that Daredevil is more of a killer than? No. Just sitting there are blind loads of people.

Yeah. I'm going to say that Daredevil, he's looking up. or Hal's Kitchen. He's looking after one neighborhood in New York. The devil who like punches people and like throws his belly club and shit. He's a deadlier,

more like fucking villain than a vampire hunter. The fucking spirit writer. Yeah, the spirit of vengeance, the prince of a country that went to war with another and a vampire hunter versus...

What do we call? What's what's Daredevil's nickname? Hornhead? Man without fear. The man without fear. Right. And the other guy's called the fucking, what was the spirit of vengeance? Who signs more like gonna fucking kill you? The man without fear sounds like something

you call a circus performer. The spirit of vengeance. Evil can be yeah. The spirit of vengeance sounds like someone who's gonna fuck you up. The spirit of vengeance sounds like the fucking zodiac killer. All right. Number six, moon night. This soldier of fortune turned crime fighter. is often derided as Marvel's Batman knockoff,

but most criminals would rather face the Cape Crusader if they had a choice. After being left for dead and later resurrected by the Egyptian god Kanshu, he began a one-man war on crime that became more and more brutal as his grip on reality began to slip. He even eventually carved off the face of his arch nemesis, the mercenary Raul Bushman. While his all-white uniform isn't entirely practical for crime fighting, his arsenal of crescent-themed weaponry and considerable fighting skills

make him a dangerous opponent for any criminal, unlucky enough to run into him. I'm fine with Moon Knight being on the list, because fucking Taskmaster is on panel going, yeah, I don't fuck with Moon Knight if I don't have to. Guys crazy. You know what, honestly, like, I know Moon Knight's got a pretty big, like,

wealth of body bags behind him, so I'm like, well, that's fair enough. Like, I can buy Moon Knight more than some of the other guys on that list. Like, more than fucking Daredevil. Yeah. Right. I don't think any of us would have said Daredevil for sure. Moon Knight, I think, has a shot. I would not have included Daredevil on the most deadliest characters, for sure.

Because it doesn't seem like Matt Murdoch's go-to is to kill someone. The guy's a lawyer. Whoa, whoa, what number are we at nine? That was number six. Okay. Here's the game. Boy, is deadliest Marvel guys. What do we think of Wolverine? Number one?

I mean, I'm looking at the list. I think John probably looked at you. John, did you look at this list? Yep. Right. I haven't looked at it. Okay. I wish we hadn't looked at it.

This would be more much easier game if we hadn't looked at it. I'm going to say, well, first of all, Wolverine's on the list. He has to be. There's no way somebody at mojo list.com. Dylan, you pick your top five and we'll see if it links up. It doesn't have to be in the right order, just five characters. Well, first of all, first of all, I'm saying that nobody at mojo plays.com is saying that Wolverine is not as deadly as Daredevil. So, Wolverine's on the list, right?

Wolverine's definitely on the list. 100%. Not even dick on the budget. I assume we're going by, again, we're going by heroes because all these guys seem to be heroes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not like, they're not like. It's like, otherwise fucking Magneto and Sabreto and shit would have been on this list, easy, right?

we go my heroes so we're saying Wolverine's got to be on the list I'm going to say Deadpool's on the list because how the fuck couldn't you be on the list I from a personal standpoint you want to say Domino is on the list because she's also an assassin

but I don't think Mojo plays are smart enough to do that Cable has killed a shit ton of people so I feel like he should be on the list what are we allowed but two more people three more people yeah two more so you've said you said wolverine you said Deadpool and you said who cable so that's three two more

well hang on I'm gonna pack I'm gonna what I'm gonna do is okay I'm gonna those three people who I think legitimately right if we're talking about the deadliest people in Marvel history like hero wise yeah I don't think anybody could really quibble with me to say the cable Deadpool and Wolverine in that order of kill the most people. Yeah. Right. I think that that is a legitimate shot. Cable has time travel on his side as well.

Like Cable has had way more time to get away more people. We don't know. We don't know the people he has killed. No, because we know the people of Deadpool. Exactly. We know the people that Deadpool is killed. We know the people of Wolverine is killed. We know that for a fact.

So I would say Cable, Deadpool, Wolverine should be top three. Okay. I mean, if it was like a real list, like, bullseye and Sabretooth be on that list, but like, obviously they're not because... Even though... They're on the villain list that they did.

Okay. Yeah. I want to say, this doesn't specifically say heroes. It just said characters. I want to point that out as well. It did. It did. It did say characters. Which is bananas to me.

Get fucked, Watchmojo. It does say heroes on my list. Which here? Ah. In the header of this is 10 most violent Marvels Cory, you're gonna let him read. Corey.

I stand by my statement. It's a weird to die on if I got him dying on it. So what I'm going to say is I'm going to pick those three and if zero of those three are on this list. In fact, if one of those three isn't on this list,

I'm going to say this is a total bullshit list. I think you're probably going to be safe. I mean, it feels safe. I think if you're going to say that Daredevil has killed more people than Deadpool, and we are in a bad place. So let's see what the last five are. Okay. Well, number five, Venom.

Did you expect the alien goop monster to be friendly? The Jet Black Symbiot has had a number of hosts over the years, and they've had varying levels of success at reining in the creature's homicidal tendencies and steering it toward the path of good. even its most iconic where Eddie Brock has had a hard time keeping his alien partner from chowing down on the occasional human. Other barriers of the symbiate like the Scorpion fully indulged it, giving into and even encouraging it to these darker urges. Even with the hosts like Flash Thompson, who arguably had the most- He gave him his full title.

Call back, thank you. Well, they didn't say his short name. They gave him his villain name. Well, we can say his full name. Scorpion, aka MacDonald Gargan. Thank you. Even with hosts like Flash Thompson, who arguably had the most heroic tour of duty as Venom, the symbiates desire for violent bloodshed is always lurking under the surface.

Any arguments about... It's not really. No. No. It's fair. Defense. Mm-hmm. Number four.

The Hulk. If any comic book hero in Marvel embodies mindless rage and violence, it's this one. Normally a mild-mannered scientist, any emotional outbursts will cause the otherwise, unassuming Bruce Banner, to transform into a nearly unstoppable force of destruction that only gets bigger and stronger the angrier he gets. While his incredible strength has often been used for good, his rampages once got so out of hand, the secret cabal of heroes launched him into space exiling the Jade Giant from Earth. Given the number of incredibly powerful beings wandering around the planet, the fact that poor Bruce got shown the door should tell you a lot.

Yeah, that's fair enough. We haven't killed the Hulk yet. We have not killed the Hulk yet. Clinton Martin did it for us, though. Well, done. Problem solved. Problem solved. Gamma arrow, wherever the fuck it was.

Mm-hmm. All right. Number three, Deadpool. The only thing the murk with the mouth is better at than taking punishment is dealing it out. Seemingly, Marvel's answer to Bugs Bunny, this gun for hire has a healing factor that lets him regenerate from any injury,

and a mind so cracked that it's almost impossible to predict his next move. with a seemingly bottomless bag of tricks up his sleeve, he's a master at finding new and inventive ways to brutally dispatch his fellow man, even when it comes to fellow superheroes and villains. In one alternative universe, even when even,

I see that they proofread as well as I do on my own work. Even he even killed the entire Marvel's universe before moving on to murdering classic works of literature. Even he even. Even he even. Watch Mojo, you guys are, Journalist.

So Deadpool is in the top three. Are you okay with that? Yes. Okay. 100%. Number two, Wolverine. You'd be hard-pressed to sum up this classic character better than with the classic catchphrase on the best there is what I do. And what I do isn't very nice.

A veteran of numerous wars and one of the most feared individuals in the Marvel Universe, very few characters can claim a scarier rep than this one. thanks to his unbreakable skeleton and razor-sharp claws this long time X-Man is almost unstoppable once he gets going and his berserker rage his berserker rages have left a nearly uncountable number of people deader than disco he's had to endure

several lifetimes trying to control his violent instincts and still struggles to contain that side of himself so Dylan that being said number two so your top three that you had you said Deadpool, Wolverine, and Cable. Do you think Cable is number one? I said... No, I said Cable, Deadpool, and Wolverine in that order.

That's what I'm saying, but those were your three, and of the top three, two of them are in your selection. Does that mean that you like Cable's odds of being number one? No, because I feel like Wolverine's clearly the deadliest person in Marvel Comics, right? Who do you think could be duddlier? Except for one guy. Is that one guy cable?

Would you like to know the answer? Or would you like to... I feel like... Who the fuck else is deadly of the Wolverine? All right, Dylan. Number one. You know? Dylan, number one, the Punisher.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. There are Marvel heroes bigger, stronger, and physically deadlier, but none of them will get a criminal running for the hills faster than Frank Castle. After his wife and children were killed in the crossfire of a mob shootout, something inside this former U.S. Marine snap transforming him into a dyed in the wool vigilante who's been cutting a swath of cartage

through the underworld ever since. Armed with a seemingly endless array of weapons and had much more cunning strategic mind than you might think. He's every criminal's worst nightmare, a man with nothing to lose and absolutely no reason to hold back when it comes to punishing the guilty.

So that was watch Mojo's top 10 deadliest Marvel characters. Any thoughts on that? I mean, I would say the cable is more deadly than daredevil. I think lots of people are more deadly than daredevil. I was going to say, John, as a daredevil fan, how that make you feel? I mean, it's ridiculous. I don't think.

It's mental. Maybe, like, you would, like, one or two people by accident. But, like, in terms of violence or deadliness, he's just a regular guy. who gets into scraps a lot, but then so does every other Marvel superhero as well. Right. But what I think is crazy is that, like,

it wasn't like number 10. Mm-hmm. For seven, they were like, no, there's loads of people that he's killed more than. Yeah. He's deadly a fucking spirit writer. Like, I mean...

Are you sure? Are you sure? You're going to catch on, Corey. That's the merch. Put it on a t-shirt. That's the title of the show. Spirit writer?

Yeah. Put it on a t-shirt. Spurt writer's to catch on. You know, and it's like Spurt writer with like the body of baby chugganop. There you go. So it's a baby with a flaming skull? Yeah.

Fair enough. Yep. I will say this. I think whoever put these lists together had a better grasp of Marvel Comics than DC for fucking sure. considering like I said considering the power set of a lot of DC characters you're telling me that like five out of the 10 or even like not even five like seven out of the 10 were just like regular people with a weapon yeah just just a guy yeah asrael's a guy with armor I think they revealed he had some like enhanced genetics

from experimentation but it wasn't like full on superhuman level he was just faster and stronger than he should have been like Jason Todd is just a robin. Damien is a robin that was trained as an assassin. Green Arrow is a guy who taught himself how to use a bow and arrow on an island. Speedy or Arsenal or Roy Harper or Red Arrow, whatever name he's going by the particular day, was taught by the guy who taught himself how to shoot a bow and arrow on an island. Like, it was just regular dudes with weapons at that point over in the DC list.

And like Marvel is like, oh yeah, Here's the prince of a sovereign nation, the spirit of vengeance, a vampire hunter, a mutant with an unbreakable skeleton, a guy with a regeneration factor, an alien symbiate, a rage monster that only gets stronger the more Maddie gets. And then a guy with a weapon. But it also happens that the guy with a weapon ended up killing a lot of people. Would you say you killed more than, like I said, if we're looking at, again, just the car with a weapon. composition of these lists. How do you put Frank Castle at number one

when you've got like Deadpool and Wolverine at two and three? I think he's darkly I think if you look at like Wolverine and like he was in World War II he's existed for like a long time like that guy has killed so

many people like it's not even like funny. We know he's killed people. We've seen old man Logan. He's killed people. No, I am back in the day and then the feature. Wolverine is number one. We know how I feel about Wolverine, but the fact is we'll number one when it comes to supporting people. I don't know. I put Deadpool at one over Wolverine just for the simple fact that Deadpool is more likely to have like higher body counts in his escapades. Wolverine to this day. I don't know. I would say, I feel like Wolverine more often than not will show restraint modern day. Whereas Derek,

Deadpool doesn't really have that same desire for the most part. Well, I disagree. I think that these days, people have been more eager to show Deadpool as a hero or anti-hero than a pure assassin, and I feel like he's trying to be less of a straight-up killer. So I think that as Deadpool has gone on, he's become a bit softer.

Whereas Wolverine, because he has to play with the rules of the X-Men, is always, you know, trying to show that restraint, but also has that killer instinct in him. John, I think you're going to have to split this vote. What do you think? I mean, I think Wolverine should be number one. Right.

Like you say, like the longevity factor, the fact he's been around for over 100 years or in multiple, you know, world wars, was an assassin for the Weapon X program. Like, he has racked up a pretty big body count. And even during his, like, time with the X-Men, he's still gone and killed loads of people as well. A lot of people. So I think, yeah, in terms of body count, he's definitely number one.

100%. I feel like, I mean, like Deadpool's his whole deal is he's a mercenary. Like, Wolverine's been a mercenary since before Deadpool was alive. Like they're both in Weapon X, but like Wolverine was in Weapon X way before that. You know, that's just, I feel like Wolverine's the big bad in this list. We've already killed him. Yeah.

So, okay, so if we can't do Wolverine, does that mean we're doing, uh, would we do Daredevil or not Daredevil? We'll do Daredevil. No, we do Deadpool? And we do Daredevil? I don't feel like John would like. like it very much if we try to kill that daredevil. I think John would love to Marry to

Daredevil. I think the problem would be if we tried to kill Daredevil, it would go the same way that the Magneto episode went where every suggestion we had we were wrong. Maybe. Maybe. Well, what do we think? Because I feel like Lobo is the most logical guy from the DC.

And topical, because the Supergirl movie is coming out later this year. And Jason Momoa playing Lobo is going to be, I I think it's going to be a breakout character. He's got a solo comic coming out soon right now as well. It's his time to shine. What about this?

Right. So what if we do Lobo next week? Because we can do like Deadpool anytime. Yeah. Hmm. We can just kill Lobo. Like, you know, we did the flash, but like how many years ago was that that we killed a DC character? Yeah, we've definitely done two.

We did two DC and then we did two Marvel. So we are due for another DC. And the DC list gave us nothing to work with because, I mean, fucking Roershawk hit him with a shoe for God's sake. All right. So it sounds like that we have come to an agreement that next week our episode will be the Smart Avengers try to kill Lobo. So I guess I will be serving as judge as the DC comics person and person most familiar with Lobo. I will tell you good luck. Lobo's a tough nut to crack.

Okay. Listen. I love nuts. He has a crack that you can nut. I know what I crack him. Just leave that there. There you go. Yeah, no.

Like said, you got the main man. That's a good time right there. Especially, I mean, gosh. I will say this. I am happy that Lobo is back in the world and getting some love and attention. He's a fun character. You know, he's not as, like over the top silly as like a

Deadpool can be. Like sometimes people go too far with Deadpool making him silly. It's kind of hard to do that with Lobo sometimes. But I mean, you know, there's also those instances where he had the dog. What's his dog called? What is the dog called? I know he has a daughter named Crush.

And there was a like a little kid version of him running around in the 2000s named Slowbro. Like the Pokemon. No, it's not I'm not I was joking with

it was not the kid There was not the name Oh Corey You could You could just end of that It was it It's not slow bro It's Slobo

SLOBO Oh I like you You made of the Pokemon though I know I thought you would I thought you would pop for that

Thank you for that I could do like that Oh Lobos's dog is called You got to be be a little more specific because Lobo translates to dog. Oh, it's just dog

DAWG. That's like what I called you the other day. Unacceptable. Unacceptable. Unacceptable. Wandering alien canine who took to following the bounty hunter Lobo around. Alien K-9. Yep. So aliens have dogs as well. Yes. Of course.

Cool. good to know. Yeah, no, that'll be a fun time. Speaking of fun time, some people like to watch movies for a fun time, isn't that right, John? Is it? It's true, yes. So I hear, anyway. So, John, how many movies have you watched so far in the year 2026?

I am now up to 203 movies so far for the year. Oh, geez. for those watching at home we should be all of you unless you're listening to us on a commute summer this is the end of February that we were recording this so John's already crossed the 200 movie mark

yeah so John what was your most recent one it was the movie together with Dave Franco and Allison Brie that just came out recently where yeah they fall in a magic cave and then their bodies start trying to join together basically.

But it was pretty good. A good solid body horror. It's a pretty funny spice goals needle drop in there as well. I heard it. Well, I heard that it was a better idea than it was a movie. That was a review that I saw of it. Like, oh, this seemed like a really fun idea, but I didn't care for the execution. of it. I mean, I wouldn't

necessarily call it a fun movie, but I still quite enjoyed it. There is a painful penis from vagina separation scene I've been told. Yes. We have all been there. So, John,

what did you give together? I gave it. What did I give it? Oh, four stars. Oh. What? That's the highest you've given in a while on here. Yeah, I like to... Well, I mean, I've given quite a lot of four stars recently

because I've been on a bit of a classic French cinema kick. And apparently I really like classic French cinema, which I didn't know until about a week ago. Can I tell you, I'm sorry that the episode that we... That you chose to see together before you recorded this because you could have sounded like really cool and really artsy by bringing up some like classic French movie. It was like, what's the last movie you saw, John?

And you'd be like, ah, yes, it was the cabin with a view of a lake, the classic, you know, French noir film. And instead you're like, oh, yeah, there's a body horror movie. We're a Dave Franco and, yeah. Yeah, Dave Franco. Can I really quick ask you a question? Because you said you're on 200 now. So we're recording this at the end of February.

So that means you're roughly hitting 100 films a month, ish. So that means what do you remember what number you ended last year at? You broke 12. Yeah, I ended on 1,225 movies. You're on track to hit that number again.

Yeah, I mean, it's possible. There's going to be like this year where I'm on holiday and stuff where, you know, that's going to impact things slightly. I mean, we'll see how it goes. got through February and that's the shortest month of the year. Yeah.

Hailed it. Well done. Whenever you're doing the films, do you kind films you've already seen before? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I try to avoid watching movies that I've already

like watched them reviewed on Letterboxed. Yeah, but sometimes you just have to watch Freda got fingered again. Yeah, so it's been 200. It's been 200 movies. but 175 of them has just been him re-watching Prady Got Fingered.

It's a great film. What did you give Freddy Got Fingered on Latterbox? Oh God, I have no idea. It's got to be five stars, right? I'm going to guess probably not five stars. We've all seen that film, right?

He broke his own scale because it happened in the Tokyo Dome. Apparently, me, I gave it two stars. Oh! On, watch it again. Make it 176.

Watch it again. There's a bit where he goes to the fancy restaurant dressed as a policeman and he's playing the violin. Come on. You know that's good. You know that's good. So, John, where can folks go to read your review of Freddy Got Fingered?

They can head to letterbox. and find me at Big John Balski all one word all right Dylan how many times have you watched

Freddy got fingered this year none but I gotta watch it again man it's fucking awesome John's bringing down you remember the bit where he's had the cheese sandwich factory and he's got the salami

he's like ding dong you know classic bit I fucking love that film so weird that I would say Freddy got fingered is one of my top 10 films.

So Dylan, John, how does that make you feel? I mean, I don't think we can be friends anymore. Let's end the podcast, folks. So Dylan,

when you're not watching Freddy Got Fingered, what are you up to? Very little because that's most of my day. But sometimes I will do a show on Monday nights

at 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock on Monday night, UK time. on Bounce DigitalRadio.com. You can find the link in the description below. If you check that out, I don't know what the time is for American viewers or whatever. You can fact check that.

But 9 o'clock at UK time on Monday nights, you can hear me play loads of cool rock music that you might like and some music you've never heard before, but I'd like as well. Other than that, I am on Twitch sometimes, a Spook-a-Roo, and I draw animations that I put up on on YouTube and TikTok at Team Crows, hyphen, N I think we're on Facebook now, too.

So that's something cool if you like any of that shit. Check it up. Also, watch Freddy Got Fingered. Classic film. Five out of five. Five out of five. So, aside from that, I can say that I have not watched Frady Got Fingered this year so far, so I'll have to join Dillon in that.

We're going to have a watch along on the Smart Avengers Twitch channel where Dylan and I are going to stream watching Freddy Got Fingered and get pulled off the air for copyright infringement within five to ten minutes of starting it. So be sure you sign up for that in our Patreon that we also have. Markavangers.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com. it from Canada that way we avoid the copyright strike a little bit longer. You gotta get around the copyrights film. Yeah. Aside from that whole business there, I have my other show, large old cup, stream of consciousness. My last episode that I just recorded earlier this week or three or four episodes, weeks ago, if you're listening to this now,

is about a weird night that I hung out with a homeless woman and smoked a bunch of cigarettes. So there you go. Anyway, we, we, we'll see you guys next week where the smart adventurers try to kill lobo until then goodbye bye bye bye